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Wired To Hunt Podcast #148: Public Land Misadventures, Turkey Talk & More · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This this episode number one tennis show.
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  Speaker 1: Dan and I are covering a number of different topics,
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  Speaker 1: including talking a little turkey, discussing my recent cross country
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  Speaker 1: public land adventures, and discussing some of the latest news
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  Speaker 1: related to the future of our public lands. All right,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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  Speaker 1: by Sick Gear, and today we're kind of talking about
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  Speaker 1: a whole slew of different things, including turkeys, my recent
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  Speaker 1: adventures and misadventures traveling across the country and exploring our
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  Speaker 1: nation's public lands. Uh, speaking of her, and talk a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about the latest news related to the public
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  Speaker 1: land transfer movement, and who knows what else. It's just
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  Speaker 1: me and Dan today, so you just you just never
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  Speaker 1: know where things might go. So Dan, it's it's been
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  Speaker 1: a while, dude. How are you? Oh man, I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 1: I'm jack. Uh. Like you said in intro, I start
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  Speaker 1: my Turkey vacation in about three hours. I have one
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  Speaker 1: more meeting here at work and then Uh, well I
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't say that. Yeah. Well anyway, I'm I'm recording this
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  Speaker 1: over my lunch hour, right, I have one or two
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  Speaker 1: more meetings and then I'm out of here for I
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  Speaker 1: got Friday off, so I'm out of here. That's awesome, man.
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  Speaker 1: I Uh, I'm excited to hear how it goes. What's
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  Speaker 1: the plan? What's the game plan for Turkey Weekend? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you when it comes to Turkey Weekend. It's
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  Speaker 1: all about for me. Now it's transitioned from going and
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  Speaker 1: me trying to get a bird to basically just going
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  Speaker 1: and spending time with the family. My first goal is
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  Speaker 1: to straight up have as much fun as possible, uh,
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  Speaker 1: to try to go and get my wife a bird first.
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  Speaker 1: So um, I'll roll into town. I'll set up a
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  Speaker 1: blind in a spot that has produced for us several
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  Speaker 1: years now. It's pretty much if if they fly down,
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna be right there. And if they cooperate and
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  Speaker 1: they come in even just like ten yards, then my
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  Speaker 1: wife should have a shot. And then after that, if
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  Speaker 1: my stepdad hasn't tagged out, I'll probably go call for him.
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  Speaker 1: And then last but not least, Uh, there's time left
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  Speaker 1: I'll go out and bang on, bang on a couple
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  Speaker 1: of public ground pieces near my house, or try to
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  Speaker 1: go to a different part of the farm than I hunt.
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  Speaker 1: So nice, man, are you gonna get to take the
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  Speaker 1: kids out all now? Um? There, my boy, he's definitely
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  Speaker 1: not ready for it yet. But I don't think my
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  Speaker 1: daughter is quite ready for it yet. It might be
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  Speaker 1: something that next week, after, you know, my turkey hunting
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  Speaker 1: is officially over, I might take a blind out and
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  Speaker 1: go sit in the field with her for a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: But she is a ball of energy, so that means
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  Speaker 1: she does it sit still and she's not quiet. That's
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  Speaker 1: not conducive to get turkey hunting, is it? Absolutely not?
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  Speaker 1: That's awesome? Um So, what's like this set up? I'm
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  Speaker 1: just kind of curious, you know, I got turkeys on
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  Speaker 1: the mind too. What's the set up in this spot
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  Speaker 1: that you think is is so good historically from a
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  Speaker 1: turkey hunting perspective? Why is it so good? What makes
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  Speaker 1: it a good spot to set up? Well? Typically, what
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  Speaker 1: it's I set up in the middle of a cat
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  Speaker 1: a cattle pasture, right, so I get between the timber
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  Speaker 1: and basically this far fence row where the cattle are
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  Speaker 1: at and I saw my blind up in between, like
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  Speaker 1: right in the middle of this cattle pasture. So the
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  Speaker 1: turkeys typically do one of two things. They they're currently
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  Speaker 1: roosting in a let's see. Uh it's like a big woods,
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  Speaker 1: open timber, right, it's not anything thick and nasty like
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  Speaker 1: you would think for deer hunting. It's on top of
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  Speaker 1: a ridge. It's wide open timber and big oak trees,
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  Speaker 1: lots of places for him to roost. And uh, they
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  Speaker 1: that's where they roost now. They either fly down in
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  Speaker 1: the timber and make their way out to what I
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  Speaker 1: don't know nothing. I don't know any terminology, so I
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  Speaker 1: don't know nothing that's about like turkey hunting technology or terminology.
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  Speaker 1: But I guess I'm gonna use the term strutting zone
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  Speaker 1: where that sounds pretty I know, right. They make their
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  Speaker 1: way out of the timber into a quote unquote drudding zone,
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  Speaker 1: and uh, it gives the opportunity for birds kind of
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  Speaker 1: like to gather, I guess after they fly down, and
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  Speaker 1: then the tom's usually follow the hens wherever they go.
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  Speaker 1: But so they'll fly down in the timber and make
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  Speaker 1: their way to this pasture, or they'll just pitch right
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  Speaker 1: out of the tree down into the uh, right into
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  Speaker 1: the pasture itself. And so last year my blind was
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  Speaker 1: too far away and so the next morning we had
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  Speaker 1: to move it closer and then we had a Tom
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  Speaker 1: come in. My wife shot in the face. But uh
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  Speaker 1: we uh, but it's it's they do it. I've I've
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  Speaker 1: found this spot that they they they do it every
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  Speaker 1: year and if if you don't get them on them
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  Speaker 1: the first day, you can back out, come back there
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  Speaker 1: the next morning and uh do it again. And typically
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  Speaker 1: if you make the right adjustments. We've just been lucky
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  Speaker 1: enough to where the decoy setups have really provided us
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  Speaker 1: a good opportunity to call at them, and then they
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  Speaker 1: come in and uh we get an opportunity. What's your
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  Speaker 1: dequest set up? I can't remember what you usually use, man,
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  Speaker 1: it it varies every year. Um So the last two
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  Speaker 1: years I've used a jake in a hen, uh, and
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  Speaker 1: the I pushed the hen down as far as I
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  Speaker 1: can go. I guess to simulate like she's ready to breed,
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  Speaker 1: and then I put the jake right behind her, and
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  Speaker 1: that gets to Tom's somewhat interested. I've never had a
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  Speaker 1: scenario that you see on TV where you have like
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  Speaker 1: a Tom just come full bore running into that setup.
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  Speaker 1: I've never had that. But they'll strut back and forth,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll strut back and forth, and they'll work their
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  Speaker 1: way slowly within shooting range. I try to keep the
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  Speaker 1: decoys uh fairly close to the blind and then that
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  Speaker 1: way they come in just a little bit and they
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  Speaker 1: don't seem to be spooked by the blind. But that's
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  Speaker 1: what I've used the past two years. Before I've I've
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  Speaker 1: taken an old decoy, I've kind of slipped in it
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  Speaker 1: and I put a previous year's fan in it. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it looks jankie, but but it works. Man, that's awesome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I I don't know how long now. I've used a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different sets, but I think what I've ended
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  Speaker 1: up using the most is a hen that I have
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  Speaker 1: angled down like she's feeding and then a stutting Tom decoy. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And I've used that probably the most. But I've had
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years where I've had, like some some
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  Speaker 1: times get hung up outside of it, and I pulled
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  Speaker 1: that Tom decoy next time out there and just have
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  Speaker 1: the hen or maybe two hens out there, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: that works. Too, um right, it seems you almost need
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  Speaker 1: to like gauge the temperature of of the gobblers right
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  Speaker 1: around there that time of year and see how aggressive
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  Speaker 1: they are or not, and then that kind of helps
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  Speaker 1: me dictate whether I put the tom out or not. Right,
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  Speaker 1: But it's it's crazy because man Iowa season, like this
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  Speaker 1: is the first official weekend. Our our season opens on
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  Speaker 1: what you would call first season here in Iowa on
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  Speaker 1: this past Monday. Now, before that was a youth season.
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  Speaker 1: But I just feel like the Turkey season is really
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  Speaker 1: late getting started. Um. I don't know if that's to
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  Speaker 1: allow the hens to breed before the hunters get a
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  Speaker 1: chance to go in after him, but the fact that
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  Speaker 1: h every year, it seems like the Toms are really
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  Speaker 1: hand up by the time we get out there. So
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  Speaker 1: the only time, I shouldn't say the only time, but
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  Speaker 1: we definitely see a majority of our success right off
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  Speaker 1: the roost in the morning getting in, whether you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting in needed between the hens and the Toms or
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  Speaker 1: or finding a place like what we currently have set
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  Speaker 1: up where they pitched right down in front of us. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we've got that late season start time in Michigan to
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  Speaker 1: our season usually starts right around now. UM I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the opening day is this year, since I'm
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  Speaker 1: not there right now, but I think last year was
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  Speaker 1: the one. It's probably somewhere around there right now. And UM,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of found the same thing. It's like you
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  Speaker 1: either get them right raft the roost or I've also
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  Speaker 1: found like two hours three hours after daylight. Then you
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  Speaker 1: you get the hens kind of go off and do
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  Speaker 1: the thing, and then you kind of get those toms
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  Speaker 1: start kind of roaming again. The late morning is always
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  Speaker 1: like that late morning cruiser, almost like in the rut.
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  Speaker 1: So I always like there's that excitement right after the
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  Speaker 1: coming down, and if it doesn't happen right then, then
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  Speaker 1: I know, Okay, there's a couple of hours here where
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  Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be boring because at least where I'm
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  Speaker 1: set up, I can't get really close to um to
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  Speaker 1: where they're roosting on my main Michigan property because that's
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  Speaker 1: all happened in the neighbors. So occasionally they roost closer
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  Speaker 1: and than it can happen. But lots of times I
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  Speaker 1: hear them pitch down and they go to the other direction,
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  Speaker 1: and then I just have to wait, wait, wait, and finally,
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  Speaker 1: like ten o'clock or something, they come rolling back through.
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  Speaker 1: So all of it, everything, everything I've kind of just
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  Speaker 1: said is how I approach it with my wife. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's say my wife tags out the next morning. If
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  Speaker 1: I'm if I'm running solo, I don't use a blind. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just because the Turkey season is so short and
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  Speaker 1: I have, you know, I have this dedicated family weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably I typically use a gun, right, um, just
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  Speaker 1: because of the time issue. So with a gun, it
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  Speaker 1: allows me to be a percent mobile. I can, you know,
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  Speaker 1: stand up, sit down, walk fifty yards, call walk fifty yards,
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  Speaker 1: call walk fifty Okay, I just heard a gobble, and
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  Speaker 1: then I make a move on them. And if they
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  Speaker 1: if they come in, they come in, I'll try to
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  Speaker 1: set my decoys up behind me and call. So if
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  Speaker 1: they see, you know, I rocate the gobble, the decoys down,
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  Speaker 1: and then I will walk maybe yards. The decoys are
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  Speaker 1: behind me, so they're focused on the decoys maybe and
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  Speaker 1: not me because I over the years, I've seen that
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  Speaker 1: there's times when the tom will sit out there and
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  Speaker 1: struck just outside of Grange. And and this is what
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  Speaker 1: I've heard from someone smarter than me. When a when
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  Speaker 1: a tom gobbles, it's a locator for the hens to
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  Speaker 1: come to the tom. Right, so hunters the way we
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  Speaker 1: approached it. We sit there and we call and hopes
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  Speaker 1: that the tom will come to us. When in nature
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  Speaker 1: the tom's gobble to get the hens to come to them, right,
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  Speaker 1: we're asking him to go reverse exactly, which is a
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  Speaker 1: tough sell. That's right, that's right. It's just almost like
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  Speaker 1: like a bar. Right maybe I don't know. And and
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  Speaker 1: so we in the turkey world, they would be like
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  Speaker 1: we would be at the bar and a guy would
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  Speaker 1: just like beat on his chest and women would come
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  Speaker 1: flocking to him. Yes, something like that. Would that be nice? No,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be Mark, because we're married men now back
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  Speaker 1: in the day day, back in the day day. Oh man. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm I'm excited to be doing
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  Speaker 1: the stuff I'm doing right now, But at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: I do miss the fact that I could be turkey
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  Speaker 1: hunting in Michigan right now, because that is that is
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  Speaker 1: so much fun. When we've talked about it before, how
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  Speaker 1: much fun is to be able to share it with
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  Speaker 1: you know, your wife, your father in law, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I take my dad out my buddies, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: fun social hunt and the weather is nice and it's
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  Speaker 1: I love sitting out there early in the morning. The
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  Speaker 1: turkey's gobblin and buy us. There's also some pheasants crowing
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  Speaker 1: and the birds of chirping, and a few deer come
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  Speaker 1: strolling through. I mean, that's just a beautiful time to
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  Speaker 1: be in the woods. Amen. Now my question is where
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  Speaker 1: are you at right now? So right now I am
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  Speaker 1: in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and I am recording this in
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  Speaker 1: a coworking space in town that I got a little
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  Speaker 1: day pass four. So you and me both are kind
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  Speaker 1: of recording in different situations than usual. For sure. Um,
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  Speaker 1: do they have turkey in Wyoming you can chase? So
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  Speaker 1: there are turkeys in Wyoming you can chase, but they're
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  Speaker 1: farther east than where I'm at right now. UM, as
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  Speaker 1: I understand it. So I'm not turkey hunting here, but
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  Speaker 1: in about ten days or so, I'm moving up to
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  Speaker 1: Montana and I am going to do some turkey hunting
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  Speaker 1: in Montana. Um, there's a there's a lot of turkeys
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  Speaker 1: down in the southern part of the state, at southeast
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  Speaker 1: part of the state. I think is where I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to head towards and uh lots of public land, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna try. I think I told you, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna try with my bow. This year so perfect.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna be in a brand new place on
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  Speaker 1: public land using a bow. So the chances of me
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  Speaker 1: killing a turkey are pretty slim, but we'll see. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: you never know, man, Uh, turkeys can. There's it's almost like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, turkey hunting is kind of like the rut.
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  Speaker 1: There's days it can be on and popping, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's days where it's just like you're sitting a blind
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  Speaker 1: for ten hours and you hit your life. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: like why it is so interesting? I like you, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know much about turkey hunting other than just the
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  Speaker 1: basics that I've allowed me to kill turkeys. But it's like,
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  Speaker 1: what are the factors that cause turkeys to just gobble
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  Speaker 1: like crazy one day and then the next day completely
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  Speaker 1: be shut down? You know, Like I can't wrap my
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  Speaker 1: head around it. But they're just like a switch, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Probably the same the same indicators that
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  Speaker 1: influenced your movement, right, probably uh weather, Probably where are
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  Speaker 1: the hens? Probably pressure. Probably, I don't know. I've heard
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  Speaker 1: that um birds are affected more through electro magnetic forces
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  Speaker 1: um and like uh like parametric pressure. That's not an
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  Speaker 1: electric magnetic but um birds are affected more by those
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  Speaker 1: kinds of things than mammals are. So who knows. Interesting
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  Speaker 1: One of these days, maybe we should get someone who
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  Speaker 1: actually knows about turkeys to come talk to us about
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  Speaker 1: the stuff. Right we can, And that brings me to
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  Speaker 1: my next point. Don't don't quote anything that we say
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast because there's a nine percent chance it's
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  Speaker 1: just bullshit. We we can talk with relative authority about deer,
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  Speaker 1: but when it comes to turkeys. I mean, although, to
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  Speaker 1: be fair, you and me both, I think we've killed
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  Speaker 1: a turkey or more than a turkey or two every
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  Speaker 1: year for a long time now, So I mean we're
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  Speaker 1: were we we know enough to get the job done.
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  Speaker 1: So the last couple of years, last couple of years,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't shot at turkey just because I went out
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  Speaker 1: with other people and tried to get them one. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm to that point now, and we talk about it
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  Speaker 1: about white tails. You know, there's certain you reached certain
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  Speaker 1: points in every hunting I guess adventure that you're on.
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  Speaker 1: And for me with turkeys, I've killed enough turkeys that
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  Speaker 1: uh yeah, I still like going out and hunting them myself,
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  Speaker 1: but I find a lot of enjoyment right now taking others. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, following for people. Being a turkey guy, that's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of fun. I know I mentioned it last year,
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  Speaker 1: but like last year was one of my favorite turkey
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  Speaker 1: seasons because I was able to be on I think
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  Speaker 1: it was last year, it was the year before. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, um, but I was involved in five or
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  Speaker 1: six different successful turkey hunts. So I got to be
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  Speaker 1: like the guide in Caller on five or six hunts
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  Speaker 1: and that was pretty sweet. Two of them were mind
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  Speaker 1: where one of them was mine. Two of them are mine,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. And I took my dad out, took
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  Speaker 1: my buddy out to buddy on Ohio, took another friend
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan, and uh, dude, there's nothing like calling in
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  Speaker 1: a turkey and having to happen. Yeah, it's my favorite,
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  Speaker 1: the absolute favorite part of turkey hunting. And it is
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  Speaker 1: a scenario similar to this right where you're in the
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  Speaker 1: woods and let's say you're not using a blind. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to sneak up on this gobbler. So
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  Speaker 1: I've located, I put my decoys out, I sit down,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm calling and he's reacting and he's reacting and
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  Speaker 1: and I know he's gonna come up and how he
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  Speaker 1: may be there. And then all of a sudden, behind me,
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  Speaker 1: I hear boom, boom, you know that Tom. That's there's
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  Speaker 1: another Tom who came in and silent right behind me,
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  Speaker 1: and I can hear him strutting. You know, he's dragging
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  Speaker 1: his wingtips in the leaves and she's you know that
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  Speaker 1: how they stop the strut and then they go and
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  Speaker 1: then they stop. Uh, if you could see me right now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at a reflection in a window. I'm acting
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  Speaker 1: like a turkey walking back and forth in this room.
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  Speaker 1: But I can't see right now, No nobody can. But
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  Speaker 1: but when they do that and you can hear it
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  Speaker 1: behind man, that's just like one of the biggest rushes ever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like you've told that story
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  Speaker 1: before on a past Turkey On episode, because I remember
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  Speaker 1: you making remember making that dome noise so awesome. I
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  Speaker 1: love it. It's so awesome. I'm jealous. You're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: chasing him tomorrow. Man, I'll tell you what though, where
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be in ten days. I My goal, this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of like a bucket list thing, is to
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  Speaker 1: get a merriam a rio in a um oceola down south.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I want to do the Grand Slam Slam.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: That would be sweet. Yeah. I am excited to see
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: some different turkeys and and kill one of these mountain gobblers.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: That'll be I don't kill one, I'm excited to see
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: him and hear him and be out in that terrain.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I mean being in mountainous or bad lands type territory
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: and seeing turkeys and chasing turkeys in that kind of setting.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: That's I'm pretty stoked about that. So are you? Are
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you running solo or are you going to be going
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: with somebody? You know? I'm I've got two different friends
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: who have offered to to go out with me and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: take me out in some areas they know of, or
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: just go tag along for fun. So probably will be
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a couple of friends, um, but not sure. That's kind
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of up out of there, just depending on schedule and stuff.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: So alright, real quick, before we move on, though, I
• 19:15
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• 19:20
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• 19:45
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  Speaker 1: it out. I promise you won't be disappointed. And now
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: back to our conversation. So do you do you want
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: to hear about what I've been doing last ten days?
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I've got some interesting stories. Well, yes, I do. Because
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: when I text you, are you texting me? Hey? Dan?
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: We can't record to the podcast as the normal time.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, so, what's wrong, and you're just like, it's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: just it's like it's not working out right now. I
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: read your text with the text, but I just imagined you,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: like you know how sometimes when kids get mad or
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they're upset, and they like put their hands in their
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: pockets and they kick rocks and they just that just stuck.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: So I just imagined you doing that. That's basically what
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I was doing. So what's up? What happened? Okay, So
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: there's been a lot of good stuff and there's been
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: a few not so good things too. UM. So I'll
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: kind of walk you through what's been happening here and
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: you can feel free to press man anything that's of interest. Um.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: But so you know the plan here this this trip
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: is take about five weeks and explore Utah, Wyoming and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Montana all public land stuff and um, as we talked about,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm working on this project and I'll talk about a
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: little more later maybe, but I'm working on a project
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: where I'm kind of diving into the history of our
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: public lands and then into this whole current threat to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: our public lands with the public land transfer movement that
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we've talked about the past. Um. So one of the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: places where I wanted to go and explore more was
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Utah because Utah, you know, it's kind of a hotbed
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: for this issue. So the plan was to drive out
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: there with this camper we bought in the fall that
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: we renovated, and man, I haven't even talked about that
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: on a whole lot about that, but like, jeez, that
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was a project and a half replaced the roof and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: for like the like the two weeks before we left, um,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: it was like every single day we went to my
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: father in law's house where we had the camper in
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a barn to work on it in the rain and
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: stuff and holy crap, I mean so much. Yeah, it
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: was like every every day there was something new popping up.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And but it's done. Um. The issue is that new
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: things have been popping up now that we've been going.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And but long story short, we drove out to Utah
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and it was the first time I've ever like pulled
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a camper before. I've never had a camper. I never
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: pulled a camper. Um. So, like on our second day
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: of the drivel number one, my mileage is like horrible.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: So I went from getting like twenty miles per gallon
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: with my truck to now like eight or nine. Um,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: so it's getting a little more expensive than I was expecting.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: And then I don't know if it's because of the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: size of the camper. It's small and it's light, relatively
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: small light, but the wind just does a number on
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: the sucker. So when we got into like Oklahoma on
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: the second day, we had like thirty winds and bigger gusts,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and I just thought, like every minute, I thought I
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: was gonna get thrown off the road. Like I was
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: white knuckling, my back was soaked in sweat. I'm like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: gritting my teeth, cussing the whole At one point, way
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: to stop and pull over in Walmart parking lot and
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: just hang out for like four hours because like, screw this,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not driving this ship anymore. So so
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: that was the drive out, and um, we finally made.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It took us four days to get to her, trying
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to go in Utah because you also have just drive
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a lot slower pulling this thing. And but we get
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to moeb Um, which is where there's just tons and
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: tons of public land there. There's Arches National Park, canyon
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Lands National Park, um, the new the New Bears Ears
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: National Monument which is just south of there, and um,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: we're planning, you know, camping out in some blm land
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: there and then hiking around and doing some different things,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: maybe do a float down the Colorado River. We pulled
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: in the town though, and it is like packed pack
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: pack pack, way way more than I've ever seen. And
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: there's jeeps everywhere, huge jacked up jeeps, the big tires
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: and I mean like everywhere. The streets are just flooded
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: with him. And I'm like, what is going on? Look,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: is there something going on online? And we looked online
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: and it's like the annual Jeeps so Far Convention thing
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: of the Nation was happening in moeb this week. Um,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: so there was just thousands and thousands of thousands of
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: people with all their off road vehicles just packed. Every campsite,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: all the public land was covered with this stuff. Talent
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: was packed, I mean it was it was a lot
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: of stuff going on. So we had a hell of
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: a time trying to find a campsite. Um. We drove
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: all over place and like I drove up this one
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like weird hairpinned road and I'm trying to haul the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: trailer up this like ten percent grade and I'm like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: holy ship, we're gonna start rolling backwards. My truck can't
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: handle this. So like all that kind of stuff just
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: led It really stressed me out. We finally found a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: spot to camp, but it was like a shared campsite
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and it was the only spot we could find. So
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it was like us and a very nice Russian couple
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and their daughter. Um, but like there their tent and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: like their fire pit was like four ft away from ours,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: so if we want to sit at our table and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: have a fire, it was basically with them. So it
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: was an ideal um. But basically we hung out there
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: for a few days, did a couple of cool hikes.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: A really cool place that if anyone's ever out there
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in moeb they should check out is the Fisher Towers. Um.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: They are these just massive I guess it's sandstone, um,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: just formations coming off of these cliff walls, and it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: absolutely gorgeous, really cool. It's on Blm Land, so it's
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: public land. It's free to get to. There's a free
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: campground right there. Um, very very cool. Did that. We
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: did some hiking and Arches National Park that was cool, um,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: but it was super hot during the day and we
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: didn't have a power hook up for the camper, so
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: our dogs were stuck in the trailer um and we
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: just couldn't stay there very long because of how hot
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: it was, so we decided to head out to another
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: part about Utah and Oh, we thought we'd go to
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: this area around Capitol Reef National Park, which is west
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of there, and that ended up being a debacle. But
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I'll kind of skim over that. It couldn't find anywhere
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to camp again. Too hot again. Me and the wife
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: are are going the whole time. Um. But we make
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it finally after all sorts of indecision and parking the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: truck and like, no, let's just screw Utah. We're going
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: up to Wyoming. And then Kylie's like, well, it's gonna
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: really cold in Wyoming. I don't want to be freezing.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: It's like fine, we'll stay in Utah. And then she's like,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: you know what, we can't do anything in Utah, Like, well,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: screw it, We're going to Wyoming and like we we
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: we got on him off exits like four different times,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: turning around and going back and turning around. And it
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was just one of those like husband wife type situations.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: That's so basically what what you went through was like
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: what I call it Tuesday at my house. Yeah, I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: had a Dan Johnson Tuesday. Um. But we finally found
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: we'd ended up finding spot in Utah that was agreeable
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: to both of us and relatively warm. It was in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the I don't even know how to stay. This to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: stay Unta Nashville Forest, I think, um. And we found
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a really cool spot and got a nice campground campsite
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: and it was actually free because the campsites were open yet,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: and there's a place to get the camper. And I'm like, God,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a deep sigh of relief, Everything's okay. Finally we've got
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: a spot. And then I walk around the camper as
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: we're setting it up and I see fluid leaking out
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: of the back of our camper into our campsite. I'm like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: what is this. I get down my hands and knees,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: and immediately I can smell it. It's the sewage and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: urine leaking out of our sewage tank on the camper.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So I get down undeath there, and I'm looking around
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: and I see there's this big pipe that comes out
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: of what's called the black tank, which is like the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: sewer tank. And I'm looking down there and I see
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: there's like a steady stream of juice coming out of
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: the seam and this pipe. And you know, me, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: don't know how to fix anything. I'm not handy, so
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: my I'm like, my first gut reaction was, okay, do
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: we have duct tapes? So I get duct tape down there,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and I'm trying to duct tape over the pipe and
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: I'm getting pissed all over me and it's leaking and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: rolling down my side and Kylie standard there trying to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: tell me what to do, and I'm down here getting
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: covered and pissed and trying to fix this thing and
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I'm getting upset. And that didn't go well. I end
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: up having to drive back into town and go to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: a plumbing supply store and I got this kind of
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: self fit hearing plumbers tape and that kind of worked
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit. But um, we still have a leaking pisser.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: It's just slowed down now. So that's that's one debacle. Um.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: We did have a nice time though in the National Forest.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: We stayed there three days. One day we just went
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: hiking through the National Forest, just roaming around the hills
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: and stuff. Saw a lot of deer. Just beautiful, beautiful country.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a mix of like desert ish landscape
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: mixed with like big mountains though around it. So it's
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: that kind of stage brush and stuff on the hills,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: but like red clay sand and um, gorgeous. We hiked
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to like a hot spring one day and got to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: like sit in like a a natural hot tub kind
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of out there, which was cool. Um, so that was nice.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: But finally we decided to go to Wyoming, and this
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: is where my I think my favorite story of the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: whole trip comes in. Here. You're gonna enjoy this one.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: So we leave Utah We're heading for Wyoming and we're like,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: all right, you know, we know Wyoming really well. We
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: know the area around Jackson and Grand tea time. We've
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time here. So I'm like, all right,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get there, and it's we're finally gonna be
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a relaxed, well set up camp. I know exactly the
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: camp ground I want to go to. It's a great location.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: We can hook up to sewage and we can get
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: power and just kind of, you know, settle back in
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: do work. That's where I thought I'd be able to
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: record the podcast, and just like kind of settling for
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: two weeks. Maybe well, I had not done thorough planning
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: for this trip, I guess because I was so caught
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: up with trying to get the camper renovated and everything.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't bother to check on anything campgrounds or whatnot.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So we start looking into it, and all the campgrounds
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that we're gonna stay at are all closed still. So
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: to fix our leaking pipe, though, I have to empty
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: the sewage tank completely towards st dry off, and once
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that piping dries off what stops leaking, then I can
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: actually put a permanent fix to it. I'm like, all right,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: we need to drain the tank somewhere, but all the
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: campgrounds that have sewage hook ups they're all closed. So
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the only thing we knew of is that some truck
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: stops have dump stations at them where you can pay
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to dump your sewage tank at this thing. Well, I've
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: never done that before, and I've only ever dumped our
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: sewage tank once before this was five days previous at
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the very first campground we stayed at um So I
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. No one's ever told me
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: how to do this. I'm just like, kind of I
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, looked online. So we go to this dump station.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: We pull up to it. I walk in there. I
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: talked to people by the thing and ask them how
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to use it, and they're like, I don't know, just
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: enter this code and dump your tank. And I'm like, oh, okay,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I guess I'll figure it out. So I go over
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to the dump station. Kylie had to take a conference
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: call for work, so she's sitting in the trailer on
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a conference call with her employer. I'm outside, standing next
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to the Sewage Inc. Looking at this hose that comes
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: from the tank two. I don't know. There's a little
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like I don't know how to describe it, just a
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: little keypad and it says enter key code, enter put
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: hose and hole dump. But I can't find a hole.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: There's there's I don't see the dump hole. There's like
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: a pipe that looks like a big PBC pipe sticking
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: on the ground, and then there's I don't know, there's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: this metal thing that looks like a foot pedal, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'm hitting the foot pedal and the foot pedal doesn't
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: do anything, and I'm looking around for holes and I
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: see like, I don't know, I'm looking at everything trying fire.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: Where the hell do I put the sewage tank hose?
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. So finally I see this
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: pipe and I'm like, that's gotta be it. That's the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: only thing. Looks like I could dump this in, but
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: it's like got a hose clamp over it, so it's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: like not easy to get off. So I have to
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: use players to yank off this rubber lid over this pipe.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this is gotta be it, So yank.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I finally get this thing off, and I want to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: try to dump the tank. In order the dump tank,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: you gotta hold the hose of one hand and then
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you gotta pull this um, I don't know what you
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: call it. You pull this kind of a lever or handle,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and you pull this handle out and it opens the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: floodgates and then the tank dumps out. Well, I can't
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: reach I can't reach that handle while also holding in
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: this pipe, so I have to go in and bug
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: kylie that she's on a phone call, like I need
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: your help get out here. So she's on the phone
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: with one hand and she walks over and I said, Okay,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: when I put this hose in the hole, you pull
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: that handle. So I said, go, She pulls the handle. Well,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: this was not the right hole for me to be
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: dumping the dump tank into. So I don't I don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: have common sense, so I didn't really think about the
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: fact that the sewage tank, like our tank, is at
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: a lower level than the pipe that I'm trying to
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: stick the hosing. So gravity was pulling the sewage out
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of our tank into the pipe, but then it wouldn't
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: force the sewage up the hill to the pipe where
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I'm at. So when we open that handle, all the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: crap and piss comes flooding into the hose but can't
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: go up into the pipe where I'm at. So unbeknownst
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to me, there's holes in our hose, and there's not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a good seal between our tank and the hose, so
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: crap and piss some starts skewering all out of the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: hose all around me and Kylie into the parking lot,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: all around us. I panic. I'm like, turn it off,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Shut it off, shut it off. This piss stream and everywhere.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Kylie is on a conference call. She slams the handle down.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: The hose is full of sewage. Now I don't know
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: what to do. And then I stepped backwards and I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: happened to step on that foot pedal and that opens
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: up a hole. I'm like, oh, that's where I was
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: supposed to put this stuff. So now I'm like, what
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: do we do. We've got feces streaming down the truck
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: stop parking lot. I can't reach the hose to the
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: proper hole. So I'm like, Kylie, hold the hose. Hold
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: the hose. She's on the conference called trying to talk
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: about business stuff. She grabs hold of the crap hose.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I jump in the truck. I have to back the
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: truck in the camper up like three or four ft
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to the proper hole. Stuff streaming around all over the place.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I'm looking around like, oh my gosh, are people seeing this.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I finally get the hose on the right hole, but
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I can't get still. Gravity's working against me. So I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: have to disconnect the crapper hose from our camper with
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: stuff streaming out, hold it in my hands and lifted
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: up above my head so that gravity will now shift
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: it all down into the hole. That results and just
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: more stuff all over the place. We did get it
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: somewhat drained, but absolutely mortifying situation with a week's worth
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: of stuff streaming all over the place. I'm like, all right,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: jump in the camper, jump in the truck. We gotta
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: get out of here. And uh and we I probably
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have helped. You sat back and looked at you
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and laugh. Yeah, so this is what happened. We were
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: supposed to be recording the podcast that was that day,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and we we ended up. You know, that was a situation,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but we got it dealt with and kind of cleaned
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: up and uh. And then we got to Jackson Hole
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: where we thought were gonna stay. But like I said,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: these campgrounds were closed, and we end up driving around
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: for like three or four hours all over the place
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: trying to find somewhere we could stay. There was no
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: National Park campgrounds open, there's no National Forest campgrounds open.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Most of the National Forest roads are closed, so we
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: couldn't even get to a spot where we could pull
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: off in camp. And there weren't even any private campgrounds open,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: so we spent the whole damn day driving around, ended
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: up finding one place open, but they charged up seventy
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: dollars a night to stay there, and uh so we
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: got set up though that night and then the next
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: day kind of by luck we did. And I did
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a bunch of looking online just trying to find like
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: if there's anyone in a forum that knew of another place,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: or we just started looking at different maps and we
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: just hadn't looked in this one region before where there
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: actually were a couple National Forest roads, and there was
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: one National Forest road that went in there a little
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: bit before it closed, and we actually got to it
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: and actually found a spot to put our camper, and
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: that's where right now. It's actually really cool. It's a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: great spot, it's free. It's in the Bridge or Titon
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: National Forest looking over the valley towards the Grand Teton.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So it's awesome. Um, but man, it took us a
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: lot of stress to get to this point. And like
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: every time we want to drive down a sketchy looking road,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm afraid to drive my camper down some of these
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: forest roads because like they could be closed down there.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: There's nowhere to turn, there's not pull offs or anything.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I mean it's just sketchy up here. It's lots of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: snow and mud everywhere still, so like we have to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: take the camper off, unhitched the camper, leave it somewhere,
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: then drive around, then come back, rehitch the whole damn thing,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: then drive around. So it's just been one of those things. Man.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: But Um, but now I think, knock on wood, we're
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: we're finally in a good spot. And uh, it's been
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of lessons learned. I mean we I learned
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: how to proper really dumped the tank. Now I've learned
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: how to fix pipes a little bit. Um, we've lost
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: a number of different things, like different caps, different pieces
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and parts of the camper flown off. Um, it's been
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: one of those kinds of trips. So that's all right,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: right now, I'll tell you that that's all still sounds fun.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I mean the good the good thing about this is,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it's an adventure, right. I mean, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: someday you're gonna have kids, probably and you're gonna be
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: sitting at home and you're gonna be like, hey, let
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: me tell you the time that, uh I got specs
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: all over my entire body and you're so did your
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: mom because we didn't know what the hell we were doing. Yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: it's it'll be a good story, that's for sure. I'm
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: glad it's behind me and hopefully that never happens again.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: But what is that type type too fun? I guess right,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it's it's not much fun at the moment, but it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: great fun afterwards and the and yeah, now stuff is good.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: We um. We had a really cool hike Yester. It
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: was snowshoot up to the top of this mountain called
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Signal Mountain. That was fun. We've seen tons of elk everywhere,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: moose and deer, and yesterday actually saw a ginormous grizzly bear,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: which is really cool. I saw that. I saw that.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I was jealous. I was hoping it would like come
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit closer to your camper and like put
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: a giant claw mark in it, and then that would
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: be with you the rest of the trip. That would
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: actually be cool. I'd be okay with that. Where where
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: we're camped, though, like literally it could happen, like we're
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: completely by ourselves way back in this national forest in
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: like some serious grizzly territories like every morning, every night,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of just always looking around hope and see
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a wolf or a bear. We had eight bowl elk
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: come right by our camper yesterday morning. That was pretty sweet. Um.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I got to watch them for like an hour and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: um and yeah, lots lots of while if right now,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: do you remember when we went into into that into
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that valley, you know, after our elk hunt, and we
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: drove by the National Elk Wildlife Refuge. Do you remember that? Uh? Yes,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I think so. Was that on our way out there?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It was when we went and got dinner at the
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: pizza place, went to Dornants, didn't we get didn't we
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: go to Dornants? No, we went to we went to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: the Bird Yeah. Yeah, well but it was real foggy.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: We couldn't be Okay, I forgot about that. Well, basically,
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: there's this area of this valley. It's called the Elk Refuge,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: and it's basically all the elk or many of the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: elk from the Yellowstone area in the mountains and from
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the Tetown area and from these national forests around there, um,
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the Bridge of Teton National Forests and some of the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: other spots. They all kind of winter down in this valley,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of them do. And there's still I would
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: say there's probably still thousands of elk all strewn across
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: the valley. It's everywhere you drive. You're seeing herds of
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: two hundred, three hundred, four hundred elk just everywhere it is.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: It is pretty remarkable. And they're still carrying, you know,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: some are some are still carrying antlers, some are shed.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: There's some that are already growing big new velvet antlers um,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: which is kind of wild. So I'll tell you what desplaite.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: All the debacles of the trip, and there's been a
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: whole bunch that aren't necessarily story worthy, but all these
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: little things have just made it stressful to your point,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: like it is, I'm constantly like marveling at how incredible
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: it is that this is our land, Like all these places,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: it's public land, it's it's yours, it's mine, it's it's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: everyone out here. We can all use it um and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: in different ways too. That was one of the cool
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: things while as in Utah is that, you know, I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: think the biggest takeaway from my time in Utah is
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: is the diversity of Utah, the diversity of terrain. I mean,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you can be in these red rock canyons with towers
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: and arches and crazy stuff, and then you can be
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: in like pure desolate desert, and then you can be
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: in like gorgeous pine covered mountains and snowy peaks. I mean,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: tremendous diversity in terrain and then also tremendous diversity and
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: how people use that public land. I mean there's a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: massive amount of public land in Utah and all sorts
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of people are using it. I mean you've got the
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: climbers and like mountain bikers, and you've got that type,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: but then you also have you know, ranchers that are
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: running their cattle, and you've also got guys that are
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: driving their a t v S and their jeeps and
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: their dirt bikes and everything. And you've got liberals and conservatives.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: You've got hunters, and you've got crunchies, and you've got
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: climbers and you've got hikers. I mean, every different sort
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: of person is out there finding benefit from these lands.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: And I think that was like really eye opening to me.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: You know, public lands aren't just for hunters. They're not
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: just for yuppies who want to climb or hike. They're
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: not just for guys who want to run cattle, you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: they're that's so cool about a lot of these public places.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: It's multiple use, it's for a lot of different things.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: And into one of the interesting issues about this public
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: land transfer movement that we've been talking about and seeing
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: happen is that that's why that is isn't what some
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: people want. Some people want to just use these public
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: lands for the one thing they want, and they're not
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: okay with the fact that these places are managed for
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: multiple things. And um. And that's interestingly caused the same
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: type of issue over a long time. You know, as
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I've been working on this project, I've been studying the
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: history of how, you know, how America came to have
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: all these public lands. And it's it's actually been kind
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of a thing. This thing, this land transfer movement, has
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: been popping up almost in the same type of way
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: several different times over the years. Um and it's almost
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the exact same issue, you know, it's um. You know,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: back in the forties, this popped up when their first
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: started being some regulations on the range lands, you know,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: lands that are now called BLM lands Bureau of Land Management.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: When regulations were first put on those with the Taylor
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Grazing Act back in nineteen thirty two or thirty four.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: I think was that kind of after series of years
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: where these regulations started taking place where they're trying to conserve,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: trying to make sure they weren't over crazing. And this
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: is like you know, just after the dustable and all
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, right there was like a revolt
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: from some of the user base of the public lands,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of the ranchers and um, that kind of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: stuff going on. They didn't the fact that the government
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: is trying to regulate what they're doing there, and they said,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: we want these lands, they belong to us, they should
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: be private, they should be you know, giving back to
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: the counties, different stuff like that. So they happened in
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: the forties, but that was shut down. Then again, the
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: exact same thing happened to the eighties, same type of
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: deal with the stage brush rebellion. You know, there was
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: all these new regulations and you know, I think regulations
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: gets it's a dirty word sometimes, um, but there's lots
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: of what I think are are necessary regulations, and there
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: are a lot of things put in place in the seventies.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: You know, when a lot of different environmental reforms are
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: put in place to make sure we've got clean air,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: clean water. Um, you know, the Wilderness preservation system was
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: created then the sixties, so all these different things happened,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: which we're allowing for our public lands to be managed
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: not just for one use being you know, uh, energy
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: extraction or resource exploitation, but also managed for conservation, wildlife, recreation,
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: you know, multiple things. And again when that started happening,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: people started throwing a it and that's when he got
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: the stage Brush rebellion in the eighties, and then again
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: it popped up again in the nineties a little bit
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: with like Clive and Bundy and some of those guys
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: started throwing some of their fits. And now here we
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: are in the two thousand, fifteen, sixteen seventeen, same type
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: of deal. People don't like the fact that they're you
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: know that there are so many different regulations on this
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: public land, and it's this reoccurring thing. But I think
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know, the more you know, the more experienced
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: these places, I think you start to understand that these
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: public land issues, they're they're always going to be there
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: because these these lands are there are everyone's land, right
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: it's not just for miners, it's not just four hunters,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: it's not just for ranchers, it's not just for hikers. UM.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: These you know, like Teddy Roosevelt talked about, you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: these lands should be managed for perpetuity for people now,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: but then also people still within the womb of time. UM.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: And that's what's so cool about it, I think, is
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that you know, it's challenging is these management um debates
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: are and figure out what to do with these lands
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: and stuff. I think the fact that there's a system
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: in place to protect these places for the long term
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and make sure we can all keep using them in
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: all these different ways, but for the long term. UM.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: There's not many places left in the world where there
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: is land like this available to everybody to use and
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: to experience and to see wild animals and go to
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: wild places. I mean, it's just a it's an endangered resource.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: And uh man, just being out here, I'm always reminded
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: of how just what a gift it is that we
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: have this place. Well, I tell you, the cool thing
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: is um And like you kind of mentioned, I agree
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: with you when you say sometimes the word regulation is
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: kind of a bad word, but it's kind of the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: way humans operate that if there were not regulations, there
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: would be one person who spoils it for everybody who
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: takes takes advantage of a situation. So in order for
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: that to not happen again, certain regulations have to be
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: put into place, you know, whether it's you know, a
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: hunter can only take this many animals off of a
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: particular part of property, or you know, uh, there can
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: only be this many head of cattle, or you can
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: you only have access to this many acres for grazing
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: or mining rights and all that stuff. Because like you said,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: it's you have to share, but it's a kind of
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: in a way, it's a forced share because a lot
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: of people have to shake hands at the end of
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the day and say, okay, well yeah we'll take this, this,
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: you can take that, and you know, you know, public
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: means sharing. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're absolutely right, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's it's never gonna be easy. It's
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: never going to be what everybody wants in most cases.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: But to your to your point, you know, some type
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: of regulation is necessary in order to maintain you know,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to make sure not one person ruins it for everybody
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: like you said. And you know, if you look at
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: what was happening in the late eighteen hundreds when there
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: weren't regulations on all this, it was just a massive
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: free for all. And we know what happened. I mean,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: almost all of our wildlife populations were just decimated. I mean,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: forests were terror to the ground. I mean, stuff was
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: getting mined up like crazy. I mean, the destruction of
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: what we have now was was rampant. And finally, people
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: like Teddy Roosevelt, Gifford pin Show, Um, some of these
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: different people realized, hey, we need to manage these things
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit better for the long term. We need
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: to protect a few of these places, because if it's
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: all free for all, if it's all privatized, there won't
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: be anything left because in the in the long run,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: people usually are looking out for themselves and to the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: exclusion of everybody else and to the exclusion of the future.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: And uh, if you don't have some type of thoughtful
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: long term plan in place, there's not gonna be a
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: long term future. So I assure in gold that people
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: people had the foresight right Actually, you know, true h innovators.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: If you're going to put it that way, absolutely. All right,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: real quick, now, we're going to take a brief break
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: for work from our partners at White Tail Properties. So
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: here's producer Spencer Newharth. This week with white Tail Properties,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: we are joined by Jake E Linger, a land specialist
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: out of southern Michigan, and Jake is going to be
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: telling us about the most important factors to consider when
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: looking to buy a property. There's a couple of items
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that I think are often overlooked because it's real easy
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: to get caught up in all the details of you know,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the rolling hills and owning land. But number one on
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: my list would be soil. You know, quality soil is
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: going to produce quality for each and quality deer, and
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: it's gonna make your life trying to plant food plots
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and destination food a lot easier if you've got good soil.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: But along with that would be a nice mix of
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: ferribly stream or wetland swamp, so you have some water
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: and ideally some eggland either associated fairly closely or on
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: that property from tillable, and then some good cover. You know,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: so I refer to that as the magic triangle food,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: water and cover. And if you can find a small parcel.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: With those three elements and some good soil, you've got
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: a great hunting property at Hetty. If you'd like to
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: learn more and to see the properties that Jake currently
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: has listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Backslash e linger that's e H L I n G
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: E R. And now back to the show. Now, you
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: mentioned something about a recent big wind for public lands. Well,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: there's a handful of different things that've been going on
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: that we haven't really talked about um here on the
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: podcast that I thought we could touch on. There's a
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of different things. So I think the last time
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: we really talked about this was back when the whole
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: hr deal was making you know waves, and I know
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you were well versed on that. But that was this
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: proposal to sell three point three million acres I think
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: or three point one million acres of public land um.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: And that got because of people like you and our
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: listeners and you know, the outdoor community. This massive, massive
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: onslaught of of opinion and comments and emails and phone calls.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Jason Schavatz to the congressman who had proposed that had
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: to pull that back. UM. So that was a big win.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Since then though, Um, you know, he still has the
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: other bill he introduced, Hr six two, which proposed removing
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: the law enforcement function of the Force Service and the BLM.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: And I think that's that's a very bad idea, is
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: that would you know, basically put these millions and millions
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and millions of acres of public land without you know,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: anyone there to enforce regulations there, I mean the local
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: sheriff office, the county sheriff and stuff. They don't have
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: the time and the means to be able to manage
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: these places too. So that's a horrible idea as far
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: as everyone I've talked to, um understands it. That's still
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: out there. Um. Interesting news though, is that Chavis just
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: announced he's not going to be seeking re election and
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: then the next election cycle. So that's kind of a
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: win because he's been pretty anti public land and a
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: lot of things he's proposed. Um. But Wyoming recently some
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: of the Congressmen of Wyoming have mentioned that they are
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: not going to be seeking any more land transfer legislation.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Um, So that's a win there. Uh.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: In Utah, some interesting stuff has happened, you know, during
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: this whole rush of news. We also started hearing some
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: news from the outdoor kind of non consumptive outdoor community,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: you know, hiking, climbing, backpacking, all that kind of stuff.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: And there's this big convention called the Outdoor Retailer Convention.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: Have you heard about this? UM? And so basically some
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: companies there that are in this industry started saying, Hey, Utah,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you guys are trying to transfer the public lands. You're
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: trying to get rid of somewhere our national monuments. You're
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: proposing all this crazy stuff that is very anti public
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: land and anti outdoor recreation. In the outdoor recreation community,
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: whether that be hiking, biking, rafting, climbing, hunting, and fishing,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: it is a massive part of the economy in Utah.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So why are you trying to get rid of all
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the land that allows all these people to do these things?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: And long story short, after talking about boycotting this big,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: huge convention, it's like the A T A or Shot Show,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: but it's it's for this other side of the outdoor industry. UM,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: they ended up just completely deciding that they're going to
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: leave Utah completely because the governor and different people within
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the UM Legislative legislalative um arms and Utah there are
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: just they're not backing off on this kind of stuff.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: So the outdoor Retailer Convention is out of Utah starting
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, which is which is a pretty big statement.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: I think on that part that I think gives Utah
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a a nasty dose of of I don't know they
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: got what was coming. I suppose when they see that
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: if they're gonna, you know, if they're gonna do this
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: propose this crazy stuff that's so anti public land, anti
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: all of us. Um, this is what happens. So that
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: was interesting. Did some of those companies also say that,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: you know, they said, well, we're gonna pull this retailer
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: show out of Utah, But some of the other companies
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, like an r E. I right, Um,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: they've been a voice I think in the public land
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: thing too. Did some of these did some of these
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: companies say that, Ah, if you don't shut down this
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: public land transfer talk, we're pulling our business out of
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: Utah altogether. You know, I'm not sure about that part.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: That's possible, and that would be a huge that would
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: be another huge economical kick in the butt. Oh, yeah,
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: heck yeah. I mean this it's such a huge part
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: of Utah's economy. I don't know the actual numbers, but
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a major major driver. I mean, if
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: you look at all these states, these Western states, the
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: tourism industry has been a growing portion of their economy
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and is overtaking most different extractive industry parcels of the economy.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: And I think it's it's becoming more and more important.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: And I don't know if you start if you start
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: taking away those opportunities, the future for these states does
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: not look good economically. So I think what's happening in
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Utah's indicative of what could happen in other states. And
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I think I hope other states will take note of that.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: And I think maybe you know, you're seeing, like in Wyoming,
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: some of these people are taking note that they've heard
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: the call from hunters and anglers and other outdoor recreators
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: like that this is not acceptable, and they're you know,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: they're backing off on this stuff. So so that's a
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: good thing. Um. I just hope that the the politicians
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: don't try because typically what happens is all right, don't
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: propose a law, right and with this HR twenty two
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, we the hunters outdoors groups, they really
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: got behind each other and they got it to the
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: point where, Okay, we're gonna we're taking this bill off
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: the table because obviously it's very unpopular with the people
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: who actually use this land. Now, what typically happens in
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: this day and age is the people who all of
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: a sudden, we're really really motivated about this, they turned
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: their back to the issue, or they there's something else
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: pops up, or you know what I mean, and then
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: it loses a little bit, it loses its traction, and
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: then the next thing, you know is that's to me,
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: it sounds like that's again when the politicians come in
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: with the new bills and hey, we're gonna do this
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: ship under their under everybody's nose, trying to get it past.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: And you know that's where it's the way I see
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: it is. That's why it's very important too continue to
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: be involved with like um, the Theodore Roosevelt was that, Yeah,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: that one, uh, to keep it public. Um. They have
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: an organization movement, you know, stay involved with these these things.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: If you're an advocate of these um of this keep
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: it public movement to to continue to stay involved as
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: much as you possibly can and be knowledgeable of everything
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: that's going on, because, as history will teach us, this
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: stuff doesn't stop. It continues to come until the next
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: you know, big lobbyists comes in and pressures. I don't
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: want to stay pressured, but tells a politician, hey, we'll
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: give you this much money if you propose this bill,
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: and some greedy bastard always does it right. No, you're
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: you're spot on. This is definitely something that we can't
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: we can't lose sight of it. We can't become apathetic
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: to it, because yes, as soon as public interest isn't there,
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: as soon as the loud crowds aren't there, that's when
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: the politicians make the move again. And I think, you know,
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: it comes to kind of stuff. You know, there's all
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: these different battles for the future of you know, wildlife
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: or conservation or public land. And you know, whoever it
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: is that wants to take advantage of these places, whether
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: it be a business or industry, politicians, whatever, they keep
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: fighting these battles, right and if they lose, well it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: onto the next one, or they wait a year and
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: they try again, or they whatever they switch things up,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: they change the the very vigil of it and try again.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: So if they lose one of these battles, like they
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: just lost this HR six or six twenty one battle,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: you know, that's okay. They'll try again, like you said,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: next year when people aren't paying attention to them. But
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: if we the people who value wildlife or public land
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever it is, if you lose one of these battles,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: that's that's for good. You lose that land for good,
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: or you lose that wildlife population for good. You know,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: if we lose a battle, that's it. Um. So we
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: really need to be on top of these things and
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: um and make sure we leave this this resource, this place,
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: these lands, these animals. We have to leave it better
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: or at least as well as we have it now.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Because I want to make sure that our kids, your kids,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: you can go out and do these things. They can
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: go and camp somewhere, they can go on an elkhon,
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: or they can deer hunt in the Manasty National Forest
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: or here on National forest. Um. Man, it's just it's
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: scary to think that these places could be up for grabs,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and m I sure hope it doesn't happen. I mean,
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: here's here's a perfect example when we've talked about this
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: in past when explaining what this whole public land transfer
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: movement is. But basically people are this, this group of
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: politicians um are proposing to take federal public lands and
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: transfer them to states, and they're saying that states can
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: manage a better blah blah. But in reality, what we've
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: seen is that when it goes to state control, it's
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: easier for resource extraction, it's easier for stuff to be
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: sold and privatized and all that kind of stuff. Well,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: recently in organ there's an example this happening right now.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: There's a state force, the Elliott State Force, that has
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: not been able to be profitable. So basically, these public lands,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: when states have public lands, state lands there in these
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: Western states, have to be managed for profit. They have
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: to be managed to pay for their school systems and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: different things like that, like it is mandated. So if
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: these lands aren't if these lands aren't profitable, if they're
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: not making money, so if they're not getting enough timber
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: mineral extraction or whatever off of that, they have to
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: sell them. And so there's eighty two thousand acres in
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Oregon right now that is on the chopping block being sold,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and they've been debating if it's gonna be sold. There's
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: a timber company that wants to buy it, and it's
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: been going back and forth for a while. Now like
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: last month, they there's a state land board I think
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: that have to decide whether to sell it or not
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: because it's not profitable right now. And two of the
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: three people on that board voted to sell out, so
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be sold. And then there's a huge uprising
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: and outcry from you know, people that value that land
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: for other reasons. And now maybe it's not going to
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: be sold, but I mean, that's a perfect example. Eighty
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: two tho acres of public land the people have been
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: hiking on, the people have been hunting on, the people
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: have been enjoying, and that could be sold this year
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: or next year. That could be gone. And that is
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: what exactly could happen if states end up, if this
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: whole land transfer thing happens, if they have to transfer
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the bridge or Titawn National Forest, where am right now
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: with thousands of elk and grizzly bears and mule deer
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: and black bears and turkeys and all sorts of crazy
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: stuff running around here, unbelievable country. If that's transferred to
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: the state, if the state can't make money off of it,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: they're not to sell it. And then when I come
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: back here four years from now, there's not gonna be
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: anywhere I can camp. There's nowhere I'm gonna be able
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to sit in the morning and watch elk feed by. Um,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: there's nowhere. There's not gonna be anywhere you can take
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: your kids someday to see these beautiful mountains into experience
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: what it's like not to be surrounded by concrete and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: buildings and businesses. Um, it's this stuff's happening. And if
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: we don't do something about it, ma'am, no good, No,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: not at all. Well, I'll tell you what, mark Uh.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: my lunch breaks over. I think I think you've given
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: us plenty of time. Dan. I appreciate you, appreciate you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: sacrificing your few moments of rest and relaxation during the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: work day to to chat so well, I'll tell you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: what you made me miss a meal, And that's probably
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: why I'm most pissed at you. Yeah, that's that should
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: never be done. I apologize, well, I appreciate man. Good
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: luck with the rest of the work day, and next time,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: hopefully I'll have a few more interesting stories and hopefully
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: less crappy ones. You know what, as much as you know,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: as as many views as you take in in a day,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: and this is me calling you out a little bit.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I think you need. I think you need to step
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: up your Instagram game a little bit. I know you
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: picture because guys like me sitting in my keubicle all
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: day need something to dream about. It's true, It's true.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: The Instagram game will be better because now I'm in
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: an area with service. The first like ten days or so,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't have self service at all, so I was
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: it was tough. But I'm gonna gonna step it up.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: At wired Dhunt on Instagram, you'll get to follow some
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: of the exploits I have been posting a lot to
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: the stories. If you've been checking out stories recently, there's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a lot there. So all right, buddy, hey, take care
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: of brother to travel safe. Thanks man. All right, and
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: with that, we're gonna bring this episode to an end.
• 1:02:19
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• 1:02:46
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• 1:02:50
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• 1:02:53
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• 1:02:56
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• 1:02:57
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• 1:03:01
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