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Speaker 1: Pedo Krandlin Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. Today is the eleven year anniversary of
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Speaker 2: one of the most horrific chapters in the history of
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Speaker 2: Islamic State. They attacked eleven Assyrian Christian villagers and took
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Speaker 2: hundreds hostages. I sat down with some of those held
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Speaker 2: hostage by Isis who survived and now.
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Speaker 3: Live in Australia.
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Speaker 2: It's a sad day for them, but a warning to
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Speaker 2: all of us given the evil of Islamic State is
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Speaker 2: still with us fears tonight the World Commission into Anti
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Speaker 2: Semitism and Bondai, which begins tomorrow, will be hijacked by
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian interests. We know the Prime Minister never wanted
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Speaker 2: this inquiry, but what would be even worse is a
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Speaker 2: side show for an anti Israel agenda. Last Live for
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Speaker 2: the UK, as reports emerged the King was warned about
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Speaker 2: Andrew secret diggills for which is now being investigated. So
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Speaker 2: just how bad does get for the monarchy? And wasting
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Speaker 2: no time, the Coalition have announced their plan to move
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Speaker 2: legislation next week that will criminalize those assisting Isis women.
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Speaker 4: I said right from day one, we need to shut
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Speaker 4: the door to people who will bring hate and terror
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Speaker 4: to our shores from another place, and that includes backdoors.
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Speaker 4: That includes people using backdoors to get people to our
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Speaker 4: country who hate our way of life. And frankly, we
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Speaker 4: make no apology for taking a strong stand.
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Speaker 3: On this one.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with this issue because how can the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister continue to insist that the federal government's not
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Speaker 2: involved in the repatriation of so called Isis brides when
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Speaker 2: the New South Wales Premier openly revealed today that he
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Speaker 2: had been briefed late last year on the joint federal
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Speaker 2: state arrangements for their return.
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Speaker 3: Here's the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 5: Though, first laws that are in place are the laws
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Speaker 5: that were put there by the coalition. They pretend that
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Speaker 5: the Constitution doesn't exist. They know that there are some
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Speaker 5: limits on what can be done. But I repeat our
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Speaker 5: position is we are not repatriating people and we're not
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Speaker 5: providing assistance.
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Speaker 2: Not repatriating and not providing assistance. Well, here's the Premiere,
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins.
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Speaker 6: There are other security type arrangements in place, particularly in
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Speaker 6: relation to security arrangements on site in Australia. It's difficult
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Speaker 6: for me to go into the circumstances, but that was
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Speaker 6: part of the conversations with the Commonwealth Agency security agencies
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Speaker 6: as well.
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Speaker 2: Have you been honestly for someone who wants declared his
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Speaker 2: word was his bond? The Prime Minister would have to
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Speaker 2: be the most truth challenged leader we've ever had.
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Speaker 7: My word is my bond?
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Speaker 2: Not just an out and outlier, he's also the worst
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Speaker 2: when it putting public safety at risk. Let's remember what
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Speaker 2: these women did. They deliberately left Australia to join an
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Speaker 2: overseas terror group, Islamic State, that was at war with
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Speaker 2: Australia's own defense force at the time. And yes, there's
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Speaker 2: planning in the media. Who wants you to think because
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Speaker 2: they're women, they're somehow soft targets, that they were innocence
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Speaker 2: and they used these terms like isis brides, that somehow
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Speaker 2: they're not as evil as the men. But none of
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Speaker 2: those journalists know what I know. None of the journalists
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Speaker 2: were in the room when we received the intelligence briefings
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Speaker 2: about what Islamic State did to the civilians, the non
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Speaker 2: Muslims in particular who would not join their caliphate. The
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Speaker 2: women who joined Islamic State, were not innocence. In many cases,
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Speaker 2: they married killers. They didn't know to breathe, the next
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Speaker 2: generation of terrorists, and they married another killer and another
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Speaker 2: killer as the terrorists were wiped out one by one.
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Speaker 2: And the children that Albert and Easy wants to bring
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Speaker 2: to Australia are the children of these terrorists, the so
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Speaker 2: called cubs of the caliphate. Can you just imagine how
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Speaker 2: well the sons of these terrorists will go down with
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Speaker 2: hate preachers like this, It's.
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Speaker 7: A day of courage.
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Speaker 8: The stones and the trees will speak and say, oh, Muslim,
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Speaker 8: there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.
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Speaker 2: How fated are these children going to be? And more
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Speaker 2: than just breeding machines for terrorists, some women were also
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Speaker 2: found on the ISIS front line as fighters, suicide bombers,
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Speaker 2: and online recruiters. And now this Prime Minister is flying
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Speaker 2: them back to Australia and expects them to settle down
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Speaker 2: to normal suburban life. Here is former counter terrorism expert,
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Speaker 2: former Federal Police detective David Craig.
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Speaker 9: It's my opinion that every single one of these Isis
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Speaker 9: brides is either fully radicalized or subservient to those that are.
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Speaker 9: That's the only way you could end up in US
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Speaker 9: trying to be part of Islamic Caliphate and leave a
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Speaker 9: peaceful country to go and do so. Now, if they're
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Speaker 9: either of those two, they are on an unacceptable.
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Speaker 2: Risk, meaning if they come back, every single one of
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Speaker 2: these individuals will need to be watched deradicalized even if
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Speaker 2: that works, and we know experts have their doubts, and
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Speaker 2: be housed and fared probably for life on the back
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Speaker 2: of the Australian taxpayers on some kind of welfare payment.
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Speaker 2: Over the weekend and again today, both the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: and the Home Affairs Ministers were continuing to insist that
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Speaker 2: both the government's got no involvement whatsoever in repatriating these
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Speaker 2: women and that they have no choice but to issue
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Speaker 2: them passports, even though that is a lie. Now I
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Speaker 2: made this clear last week. Section fourteen to one of
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Speaker 2: the Passport's Act gives a federal government right now the
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Speaker 2: ability to refuse or cancel passports on security grounds. Here's
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Speaker 2: the relevant section. It reads, if a competent authority suspects,
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Speaker 2: on reasonable grounds that the person to whom a passport
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Speaker 2: might otherwise be issued quote, might prejudice the security of Australia,
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Speaker 2: then the competent authority may make a refusal. It is,
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Speaker 2: of course the minister under a ministerial determination who decides
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Speaker 2: who or what is a competent authority. Minister Burke says
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Speaker 2: that refusal is not available and that passports must be
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Speaker 2: issued because ASIO is the competent authority in this case
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Speaker 2: and ASIO has made no such recommendation. But that is
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Speaker 2: not what the Act says. But even if Burke is due,
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Speaker 2: even if it was given ASIOS most likely to hold
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Speaker 2: information about these women and also to the Australian Signals
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Speaker 2: Director at ASD, the fact that Burke has already issued
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Speaker 2: a temporary exclusion order based on ASIO advice against one
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Speaker 2: of these would be returnees, the question is has he
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Speaker 2: sought similar advice for all the others.
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Speaker 3: If not, why not?
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Speaker 2: Surely in the wake of the Islamic State inspired Bondai massacre,
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Speaker 2: that's the least a reasonable minister would do over the
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Speaker 2: weekend too. Tony Burke also declared as if he deserves
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Speaker 2: some sort of pat on the back, but the process
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Speaker 2: for banning the terrorists supporting Islamist group Husberteria has begun.
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Speaker 2: ASIO said Burke has advised that Husberteria meets the criteria
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Speaker 2: for banning under the new anti hate laws, but there's
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Speaker 2: now a further process. According to Burke, the process is
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Speaker 2: to determine whether the group poses an increased risk of
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Speaker 2: hate motivated violence. If that turns out to be the case,
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Speaker 2: says Burke, the Attorney General could not necessarily would, and
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Speaker 2: certainly not must formally approve a ban. That's a whole
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Speaker 2: lot of rigmarole for banning an entity that's already banned
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Speaker 2: as a terrorist organization in the UK and across the
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Speaker 2: Middle East. Meanwhile, the federal opposition today announced it would
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Speaker 2: seek to legislate to stop returns, to stop people seeking
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Speaker 2: to return quote individuals linked to terror hotspots or terrorist organizations.
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Speaker 4: I said right from day one, we need to shut
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Speaker 4: the door to people who will bring hate and terror
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Speaker 4: to our shores from another place, and that includes backdoors.
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Speaker 4: That includes people using backdoors to get people to our
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Speaker 4: country who hate our way of life. And frankly, we
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Speaker 4: make no apology for taking a strong stand on.
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Speaker 2: This one idea with his policies to prevent third parties
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Speaker 2: like doctor Jamar Riffi and save the children from bringing
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Speaker 2: back people whom the government says it doesn't want. And
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Speaker 2: while the government is adamant that it's in no way
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Speaker 2: facilitating any returns, there are new reports on the weekend
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Speaker 2: that the federal and state authorities have been liaising.
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Speaker 3: For months and months and months on what to.
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Speaker 2: Do with these terrorist accomplices on their return, reports that
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Speaker 2: today Premier Mins has now confirmed. What's being lost in
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Speaker 2: this whole argument over what the government can or can't
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Speaker 2: do and is or isn't doing, is this basic issue.
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Speaker 2: Why should Australia have to embrace people who have rejected us.
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Speaker 2: Stopping the return of people who've left our country to
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Speaker 2: wage war against the Australian way of life should not
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Speaker 2: be so hard, as things stand. A government that says
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Speaker 2: it doesn't want these terrorist accomplices coming back but can't
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Speaker 2: stop them just looks weak. But I know, for a minute,
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Speaker 2: think they don't want them back.
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Speaker 3: They do.
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Speaker 2: They do want them back, They just don't want you
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Speaker 2: to think they do. All right, let's go to Cameron
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Speaker 2: now for the headline, Sky and his political reporter Riven Spargo.
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Speaker 10: Australia is rejecting the United States new tariffs, which are
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Speaker 10: set to take effects tomorrow afternoon, the US President announced
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Speaker 10: the temporary fifteen percent levy on all imports, less than
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Speaker 10: twenty four hours after the US Supreme Court overturned his original.
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Speaker 7: Ten percent blanket tariff. The Trade Minister is preparing to
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Speaker 7: raise the issue with senior US officials.
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Speaker 3: We are not happy with this decision. It's not consistent
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Speaker 3: with our trade agreement.
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Speaker 7: Don Farrell is pursuing a comprehensive free trade agreement with
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Speaker 7: the European Union. Helping terror sympathizers return to Australia could
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Speaker 7: land people in prison for up to ten years. Under
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Speaker 7: a federal opposition proposal, thirty four Australians are currently attempting
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Speaker 7: to leave a camp in Syria.
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Speaker 4: That we need to shut the door to people who
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Speaker 4: are going to bring hate and violence to our shores.
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Speaker 7: There would be carbouts for humanitarian aid, but anything else
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Speaker 7: would require government approval.
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Speaker 11: They don't have serious plan.
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Speaker 5: More than forty people came, including fighters on their watch.
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Speaker 7: The laws will be put to Parliament in the coming fortnight.
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Speaker 10: One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce wants city based gps barred
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Speaker 10: from Medicare unless they spend time practicing in the bush.
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Speaker 10: He's advocating for up to ten years of mandatory regional
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Speaker 10: servers to address doctor shortages.
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Speaker 12: We don't want fly and fly out doctors. We want
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Speaker 12: a GP who lives nears.
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Speaker 7: Labor is defending its GP incentive programs for the Bush.
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Speaker 2: All right, joining me now on the desk, Guard's political contributor,
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Speaker 2: Chris Yeoman. We're still constantly now talking about this is
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Speaker 2: Lammy state return and what the government has isen doing.
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Speaker 2: I think the stories over the weekend that there has
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Speaker 2: been now a series of conversations going on from months
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Speaker 2: between the state government in New South Wales and the
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Speaker 2: federal government. We heard similar conversations were occurring between Victorian
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Speaker 2: authorities and federal authorities. The confirmation today though from Chris
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Speaker 2: Mins that he has been briefed. Surely now the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister has got to stop this facade, this pretense with
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Speaker 2: the Australian public that his hands are tied. He has
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Speaker 2: to give them a passport, but he's doing nothing to
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Speaker 2: assist them to come back.
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Speaker 13: Well, obviously, if they get a passport, they've got to
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Speaker 13: get that from someone and the last time I look,
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Speaker 13: the only place you can get that from the Australian
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Speaker 13: government and you don't just get handed one, if you're
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Speaker 13: in a zone like that, there has to be a
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Speaker 13: lot of procedure that goes with that. So of course
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Speaker 13: the federal government's known about this for a long time.
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Speaker 13: Of course they have been involved in discussions as to
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Speaker 13: whether or not they would come back, and to say
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Speaker 13: anything else is really to play the population for months.
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Speaker 2: But the lie, how does he stack up with the lie?
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Speaker 2: Because he has been found out? Now, surely this is
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Speaker 2: where the Prime Minister would do what a Howard would do,
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Speaker 2: or you know, even a Beasley, someone who would have
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Speaker 2: fronted a press conference and argued why he felt they
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Speaker 2: needed to come home, argue the constraints perhaps of Australian
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Speaker 2: international law, argued why he could keep Australians safe should
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Speaker 2: these women return to Australia. In fact, he's done none
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Speaker 2: of that. He hides from the scrutiny.
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Speaker 13: Cris Yeah, but I think that we've seen this is
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Speaker 13: part of the government's m isn't it. This is the
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Speaker 13: way that the Albanese government behaves on so many fronts,
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Speaker 13: or if you just want other example, they've been telling
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Speaker 13: us for the last year or so that electricity prices
13:38
Speaker 13: are falling, and why are they falling? Why would they
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Speaker 13: stay stable because the government was subsidizing them. That's the
13:44
Speaker 13: opposite of prices falling. That's a government subsidy for it.
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Speaker 13: But the government seems to believe that if it says
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Speaker 13: something over and over again, the population will believe it.
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Speaker 13: Or perhaps they're right. The population just doesn't pay enough
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Speaker 13: attention anymore to these things and they don't think they'll
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Speaker 13: get caught out. So I think it's a pattern of
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Speaker 13: behavior by the government.
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Speaker 2: I think this is one of those issues though, that
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Speaker 2: is running very deep in the community.
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Speaker 3: I'm stopped at the airport about it.
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Speaker 2: I read the comments on various news articles about this issue.
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Speaker 2: I listened to what is said on radio. I think
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Speaker 2: this is one, particularly in the wake of Bondai, where
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Speaker 2: people are saying, I don't care what you think. We
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Speaker 2: don't want these women back, and you know, I can
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Speaker 2: go through the Passport Act. Yet again, there is the
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Speaker 2: powers under current law for the government to cancel passports,
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Speaker 2: revoke past but certainly I have to give them, as
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister says, well.
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Speaker 13: That's why the coultures on strong ground by laying a
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Speaker 13: steak in the ground now and saying that they simply
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Speaker 13: should not come home because these women made a choice.
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Speaker 13: They made a choice to go into a war zone.
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Speaker 13: But they made it after Islamic State had advertised.
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Speaker 3: What they did.
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Speaker 13: They didn't hide their light under a bushel. These women
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Speaker 13: made a decision not just to go and join them,
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Speaker 13: but to go and have their children. This was a
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Speaker 13: caliphate that they want to see in per perpetuit. They
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Speaker 13: wanted to breed with these men in order to create
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Speaker 13: children that would growing to be soldiers as they thought
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Speaker 13: like them.
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Speaker 2: And I make the point, Chris, that these kids are
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Speaker 2: going to come back, and some of them were close
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Speaker 2: to adulthood into a tinder box that is some of
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Speaker 2: these mosques and some of these Lamic centers in western
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Speaker 2: s Indian Melbourne, and they will basically be radical, g
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Speaker 2: hardy rock stars. I mean, they are the bloodline of
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Speaker 2: some of the worst terrorists we have seen in recent history.
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Speaker 13: And so the easy thing is, the safest way through
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Speaker 13: the Australian people to stay safe, is to keep these
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Speaker 13: people out of the country. And that's hard. But the
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Speaker 13: world's a hard place and no one should know that
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Speaker 13: better than these women because they lived in some of
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Speaker 13: the hardest places in the world. And I had the
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Speaker 13: same sympathy for them that they had for the Yuzds,
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Speaker 13: essentially that served as slaves in their households.
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Speaker 2: All over the weekend. And I'll play my report in
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Speaker 2: the moment. But I sat down with a young group
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Speaker 2: of Assyrian Christians and they were in a village of
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Speaker 2: eleven villages were raided this time eleven years ago, the
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Speaker 2: twenty third of February, and I spoke to a young
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Speaker 2: man who, at the age of ten was held hostage
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Speaker 2: by Islamic state for a year. The fact that this
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Speaker 2: young man has tried to rebuild his life is in
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Speaker 2: Australia and at university I find incredibly inspirational.
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Speaker 13: But like I say, you should go and ask the Yezidi,
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Speaker 13: some of whom live in Australia, about the way that
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Speaker 13: they were treated by these people and by these women
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Speaker 13: because they served as sex slaves in their households.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about one nation, because they are barnstorming the
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Speaker 2: poles across the country. It's not just you know, people
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Speaker 2: angry in Victoria with a terrible labor government that will
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Speaker 2: go to the polls in November. We're seeing similar numbers
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Speaker 2: coming out of South Australia. We had numbers come out
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Speaker 2: today with Roy Morgan out of New South Wales solidly
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Speaker 2: ahead of Labor almost double the number were seeing on
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Speaker 2: primary vote for the coalition. We's got much of a
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Speaker 2: foothold in Queensland and that's the birthplace of One Nation,
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Speaker 2: which says to me that the immediate action and daved
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Speaker 2: Christophil who took on issues like a crime youth crime
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Speaker 2: in particular, has cut away some of that natural easy
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Speaker 2: ground for one nation. But where liberal governments, liberal oppositions, sorry,
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Speaker 2: liberal oppositions failed to take the fight up to the
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Speaker 2: incumbent government, one nation is where the votes are going.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, of course the Chrysophiery government can do things in
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Speaker 13: government that you can't do in opposition, so you can
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Speaker 13: actually have a demonstration effect and that they're doing a
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Speaker 13: good job obviously in Queensland. But let's face it, the
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Speaker 13: Coalition faces an existential crisis at the moment. It'll be
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Speaker 13: tested in South Australia. It may well be annihilated in
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Speaker 13: South Australia. Then, of course comes the by election in
17:51
Speaker 13: the seat of Parah so Angus Taylor has started well,
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Speaker 13: but his tests lie ahead of him. Now. I think
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Speaker 13: the stuff that he's done recently. He's actually had a
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Speaker 13: really really good staff.
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Speaker 14: So much you.
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Speaker 2: About that, because you know, it feels like he's been
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Speaker 2: there a lot longer than a week and a bit.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, And also I think they've made some good early choices.
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Speaker 13: They've laid down some markers, and today was another mark
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Speaker 13: on where they intend to head, so we're getting a
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Speaker 13: clear sense of direction. I also think he's doing much
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Speaker 13: better in press conferences that I thought he would be
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Speaker 13: doing at this stage. So he's keeping it simple, he's
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Speaker 13: keeping his messages simple when he's getting asked questions about
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Speaker 13: constitutional law and what will happen if goes to the
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Speaker 13: High Court?
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Speaker 12: Who cares?
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Speaker 13: Never go to the High Court. What the coalition announced
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Speaker 13: today was essentially a debating point that it's going to
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Speaker 13: be having with the government, and it knows it's on
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Speaker 13: a winning argument with this one. It knows that the
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Speaker 13: majority of the population silent or being loudly in support
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Speaker 13: of them.
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Speaker 2: I think they're smart too to use the tactic of
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Speaker 2: legislation next week to introduce some of their own ground
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Speaker 2: into the parliamentary chamber, because, as you can see with
18:51
Speaker 2: the way questions and div it up now and the
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Speaker 2: predominance of the cross Bench. It's very hard for the
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Speaker 2: opposition to get the sort of oxygen oppositions got even
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Speaker 2: ten years years ago. So having this device of the
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Speaker 2: legislative debate about Islamic State, I think that makes it
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Speaker 2: hard for Burke, but I author think it makes it
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Speaker 2: half the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 13: What we've seen also with Tim Wilson, or what we
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Speaker 13: saw today is that they're going to make the government
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Speaker 13: respond to them. They're going to try and start laying
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Speaker 13: down some of the markets for where the conversation's going
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Speaker 13: to be had, and I certainly think that that's a
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Speaker 13: change for the better.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to get to Tariff's with my panel a
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Speaker 2: bit later on, but just before we do, we move
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Speaker 2: off the United States. Obviously more activity in relation to Iran.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of reports out that people have started
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Speaker 2: to take to the streets again in Iran, and obviously
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Speaker 2: we've seen battle groups and other sort of military assets
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Speaker 2: move into the region. Where's this head in Chris, Well.
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Speaker 13: You don't move that kind of assets, those sorts of
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Speaker 13: assets into place without intending to use them, and I'm
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Speaker 13: pretty sure that Donald Trump intends to use them. I'm
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Speaker 13: sure that the Israeli government's pushing them to use them.
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Speaker 13: Now the question is how and how bigger strike might come.
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Speaker 13: They're just going to intimidate them to try and get
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Speaker 13: some sort of backing down on their nuclear program. You
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Speaker 13: assume that benjaminettya who's saying to Donald Trump, you cannot
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Speaker 13: trust anything that they say, so Israel will not accept anything.
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Speaker 13: And by the way of bargaining this way, they may
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Speaker 13: well be thinking that if they strike hard enough and
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Speaker 13: high enough, that the people might take to the streets.
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Speaker 13: But look, really, this is going to be an extraordinarily
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Speaker 13: difficult thing to land, and that the possibility of more
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Speaker 13: unintended consequences in the Middle East, let's usually what happens.
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Speaker 13: So you know we are now again in a very
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Speaker 13: dangerous time there.
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Speaker 3: We'll watch it carefully, thank you, Chris.
20:42
Speaker 2: All right after the break that very special day I
20:44
Speaker 2: had yesterday with a group of Assyrian refugees joining me
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Speaker 2: too was Tony Abbott. I'll take you through that in
20:49
Speaker 2: the moment, plus what they'd say to the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: if they got their chance to discuss his assistance to
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Speaker 2: these isis women. Welcome back, coming up live to the UK.
21:04
Speaker 2: We'll speak to Sarah Houston, royal expert as questions mount
21:07
Speaker 2: over who knew what and when regarding Andrew mount Batten Windsor.
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Speaker 2: The first last week, I introduced you to the wonderful Orshena,
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Speaker 2: a young Assyrian now Australian woman who fled the brutal
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Speaker 2: Islamic State regime that had overrun her village in Syria.
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Speaker 15: Bomb exploded into my friend's house. It was me and
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Speaker 15: my sister her house. We were celebrating the end of
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Speaker 15: the school year. However, I just went into a nightmare
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Speaker 15: what I call and then I work up here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well Shena and her family joined some twelve one thousand
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Speaker 2: other persecuted minorities, ninety percent of them Christian, who were
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Speaker 2: granted a new home in this country by the Abbot government. Now,
21:49
Speaker 2: your reaction to that interview was phenomenal, not just to
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Speaker 2: her story of survival, but her gratitude for a new
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Speaker 2: life at Australia. Today is a very difficult day for
21:59
Speaker 2: the Assyrian Christian community. February twenty three marks the anniversary
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Speaker 2: of one of the most horrific chapters in the war
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Speaker 2: against Islamic State. Because on this day, eleven years ago,
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Speaker 2: ISIS launched a major offensive in the Al Hessaka region
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Speaker 2: in the northeastern corner of Syria, specifically targeting Assyrian Christian
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Speaker 2: villages along the Hapa River Neiltel Tamar.
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Speaker 3: Now on this day and in the days that.
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Speaker 2: Followed, ISIS fighters captured eleven villages and kidnapped an estimated
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Speaker 2: four hundred Assyrian Christians, men, women and children.
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Speaker 3: And it was with this.
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Speaker 2: Anniversary front of mind that I traveled out to Melbourne's
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Speaker 2: northern suburbs yesterday to meet with members of the local community.
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Speaker 2: Joining me was former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. The twenty
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Speaker 2: third of February is a dark day for many of
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Speaker 2: Australia's Assyrian Christian community.
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Speaker 16: Ancient Christian towns in the Ninwet Plains were emptied, churches
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Speaker 16: were desecrated, Families were forced to flee with nothing but
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Speaker 16: their faith.
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Speaker 2: What they endured is almost unimaginable to us, but history
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Speaker 2: punishes those who forget. And with the return of Islamic
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Speaker 2: State to the headlines all these years later, thirst of Bondai,
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Speaker 2: and now with the debate about the return of female
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Speaker 2: Islamic State members, I sat down with eye witnesses to
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Speaker 2: the depravity of these terrorists, in part to celebrate this
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Speaker 2: survival and their ability to start again in Australia.
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Speaker 14: Very tough that they I'll never forget this.
23:37
Speaker 2: Is Ilian kidnapped from his village eleven years ago.
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Speaker 14: Today we work up at four am hearing gunshots. We
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Speaker 14: saw two men covered in black walked into the village
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Speaker 14: started shooting in there. This is when we knew they're
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Speaker 14: going to take us.
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Speaker 2: I am here at the Assyrian Church of the East
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne's North. Sunday mass is not long finished and
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Speaker 2: I spent the morning with a community that was brutalized
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Speaker 2: by the Islamic terrorist group ISIS. Think back to what
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Speaker 2: you remember of Islamic State from this time, the televised beheadings,
24:16
Speaker 2: the brutal rape and kidnap of women and girls, and
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Speaker 2: then you can understand Ilian's fears that he would not
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Speaker 2: survive the day of his capture.
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Speaker 14: They told us to kneel down like and put our
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Speaker 14: heads down. We heard like there were like two hundred
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Speaker 14: of them, like for the arm We heard like.
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Speaker 2: All in the black that we remember from Islamic State.
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Speaker 14: Yes, and then they told us to close our eyes
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Speaker 14: and put our hands behind our bag. This is where
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Speaker 14: when you like that said, we're getting kilt and thrown
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Speaker 14: in the river.
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Speaker 2: Earlier, Ilian was one of four hundred members of Melbourne's
24:54
Speaker 2: Assyrian community who welcomed a visit from Tony Abbott, the
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Speaker 2: first time many of them had been and given the
25:00
Speaker 2: opportunity to personally thank the man they credit with giving
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Speaker 2: them a second chance at life in Australia. Abbad spoke
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Speaker 2: of his government's determination to join the global fight against
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Speaker 2: ISIS and radical Islam.
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Speaker 17: We ran guns into Rbal, we send our special forces
25:23
Speaker 17: to assist with the liberation of Mosl. We had army
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Speaker 17: training teams helping the Iraqis at Taji, and our strike
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Speaker 17: fighters were pounding Islamic state targets in northern Iraq and
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Speaker 17: across Syria. It's always been the Australian way that when
25:41
Speaker 17: we see injustice anywhere in the world, we do what we.
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Speaker 16: Can to help.
25:47
Speaker 17: We want people in this country who embrace our way
25:51
Speaker 17: of life.
25:52
Speaker 2: And it wasn't popular with some at the time. As
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Speaker 2: Victorian Liberal MP Evan Mullholland reminded, us.
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Speaker 1: Had the usual outfits criticizing that decision.
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Speaker 4: I remember the Labor opposition leader at the time called
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Speaker 4: it a dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Move, something Abbott took head on. As he explained his reasoning.
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Speaker 17: I knew that you were people who would become wonderful
26:18
Speaker 17: Australians as quickly as possible. There was pretty severe criticism
26:23
Speaker 17: at the time from across the political spectrum. How can
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Speaker 17: this be consistent with a non discriminatory immigration policy? And
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Speaker 17: yet the truth is, while we should never discriminate on
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Speaker 17: the basis of race, or even at one level, on
26:45
Speaker 17: the basis of religion, we can and should discriminate on
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Speaker 17: the basis of values.
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Speaker 2: And as Bishop mar binjam and Ja said, you could
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Speaker 2: not find a more committed room of Australians.
26:58
Speaker 3: In my country.
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Speaker 16: Across Melbourne's North Assyrian families are thriving. Australia gave us
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Speaker 16: safety and we have given Australia loyalty, hard work and
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Speaker 16: our contribution.
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Speaker 2: Something absolutely evident in my conversation with twin sisters Jesse
27:22
Speaker 2: and Giselle, who alongside or Shena and Ilian, were eye
27:27
Speaker 2: witnesses to the horrors of Islamic state.
27:30
Speaker 3: Before arriving in this country.
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Speaker 15: We had no hope like we would live day by day.
27:35
Speaker 15: We don't know, like we wake up, we might be
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Speaker 15: dead or kidnapped, or something that happened to us or
27:41
Speaker 15: for one of our family members.
27:44
Speaker 3: We were very lucky to be under this program, like
27:49
Speaker 3: to Greg.
27:51
Speaker 2: At a time when many of us wonder where the
27:54
Speaker 2: young people have what it takes to contend with the
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Speaker 2: challenges of the future, A couple of our in the
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Speaker 2: company of these young Assyrian Australians will set you straight.
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Speaker 15: We have the fashion, We've got the appreciation, the love
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Speaker 15: for this country. I mean, we were granted visas for
28:13
Speaker 15: a new life here in Australia. We came here. We
28:17
Speaker 15: just wanted to give back to this country.
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Speaker 14: When I came here, I knew nothing English, not even letters,
28:25
Speaker 14: not even like I to write my name. I went
28:28
Speaker 14: to language school, stayed there six months, learned a bit English,
28:33
Speaker 14: and then started the high school end of year seven
28:36
Speaker 14: until year twelve, I graduated, and then I went to
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Speaker 14: r MIT studying architecture.
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Speaker 2: Clearly today it brings back a lot of trauma for Ilien,
28:48
Speaker 2: but even despite twelve months as an Islamic state hostage,
28:52
Speaker 2: his resilience was inspirational.
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Speaker 14: This was my dream and the reason I decided to
28:59
Speaker 14: become an architecture was because when we were taken, I
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Speaker 14: looked back at my home it was burning. They burnt
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Speaker 14: the whole village. Yea, So I was like when I
29:11
Speaker 14: got here, I was like, this is what I want
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Speaker 14: to do, because I want to rebuild the home.
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Speaker 2: As the Albanesi government continues to assist the return of
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Speaker 2: Islamic State, women and children to Australia, I asked ors
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Speaker 2: Sheena what advice she would give Prime Minister Albanesi if
29:27
Speaker 2: she had the chance.
29:28
Speaker 15: To not enforce something like that this upon the community members.
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Speaker 17: It was the most barbarous, brutal, oppressive, vicious, nasty ideology
29:45
Speaker 17: I can possibly imagine. The atrocities that were done in
29:50
Speaker 17: the name of Islamic State were just unspeakable. I think
29:54
Speaker 17: they've effectively renounced their citizenship and I don't think they
29:59
Speaker 17: have any right to return.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever met a more committed group
30:04
Speaker 2: of New Australians Lifters not leaners. In the words of
30:08
Speaker 2: another former Prime Minister, Robert Mensay's ingratitude as well as
30:14
Speaker 2: vigilance to protect what we have in Australia is an
30:17
Speaker 2: important lesson for every single one of us. Isn't it,
30:29
Speaker 2: I might aid almost everyone in that room could sing
30:31
Speaker 2: the Australian national anthem and there was only one flag,
30:35
Speaker 2: only one national Australian flag, all right after the break,
30:39
Speaker 2: Shadow Home Affairs Minister John o'dunheam on the big news
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Speaker 2: today from the opposition to crack down on eighty one
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Speaker 2: aiding ISIS women or ISIS men to.
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Speaker 3: Come back to Australia.
30:50
Speaker 2: So why is the government refusing to to use the
30:52
Speaker 2: powers it has under the Passport's Act to keep the
30:55
Speaker 2: women out? Plus we'll go live for the UK the
30:58
Speaker 2: concerns going all the way up to the throne welcome
31:05
Speaker 2: back still become the Prime minister question over Pauline Hanson's
31:08
Speaker 2: antimus of comments. Hear what he had to say on
31:11
Speaker 2: that in a moment. But now back to the Coalition's
31:14
Speaker 2: plan to introduce legislation next week that will make it
31:16
Speaker 2: illegal to ai the return of ISIS women and other
31:19
Speaker 2: terrorist sympathizers. Jot to me now, Shadow Home Affairs Minister
31:24
Speaker 2: Senator Jonathan Dunham, Senator, thank you for your time.
31:27
Speaker 3: Take me through how your.
31:28
Speaker 2: Legislation would plug the holes in Labour's current approach to
31:33
Speaker 2: border protection.
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Speaker 1: Well, Peter, thanks for having me. Well, what we're trying
31:37
Speaker 1: to do is actually allow the government to take back
31:40
Speaker 1: control over who comes into our country and under what circumstances.
31:44
Speaker 1: What Labor are doing is turning a blind eye and
31:46
Speaker 1: allowing these so called self managed returns. That is, if
31:51
Speaker 1: someone like in this case, an Isis bride or their
31:54
Speaker 1: family member can somehow get a passport, get to an
31:58
Speaker 1: airport and make their way back to Australia, but they
32:00
Speaker 1: are doing what is called a self manager return. Now,
32:03
Speaker 1: in order to do those things, they need to get
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Speaker 1: someone to assist them with procuring a passport, with the
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Speaker 1: funds to buy a plane ticket, with being able to
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Speaker 1: get to necessary locations like an embassy or the airport itself.
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Speaker 1: So what we're saying we will do is make it
32:18
Speaker 1: illegal for anyone to assist in providing those supports third
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Speaker 1: party organizations or private individuals, particularly when these people have
32:26
Speaker 1: traveled to a declared area, a terrorist hot spot and
32:30
Speaker 1: supported someone who has committed a terrorist act or been
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Speaker 1: a member of a listed terrorist organization.
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Speaker 4: It is about closing that loophole.
32:37
Speaker 2: Like you say, I know we're in a lenten season,
32:40
Speaker 2: so you'll forgive me for this one. But I think
32:41
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's basically turned or ponscious pilots on Australians.
32:46
Speaker 2: He's pretending he's got nothing to do with border control,
32:49
Speaker 2: he is not involved in the repatriation as he calls it,
32:52
Speaker 2: of these women, but he is giving them an Australian passport.
32:56
Speaker 2: And you know, I know you're aware of the acts.
32:58
Speaker 2: But I've made this point repeatedly on this program. There
33:01
Speaker 2: are already powers in the current legislation in the Australian
33:05
Speaker 2: Passports at Section fourteen that gives the Minister, of course
33:08
Speaker 2: the power to issue a passport, but also the power
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Speaker 2: to refuse and then cancel them. So why doesn't the
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Speaker 2: government use the powers it has not to even give
33:20
Speaker 2: these women documents? Because you know better than anyone, John,
33:24
Speaker 2: if they haven't got the traveling documents, they can't even
33:27
Speaker 2: get on a plane to come to Australia.
33:30
Speaker 1: Correct, that's still on. And what's more, Peter, when these
33:35
Speaker 1: people traveled to a declared area that is Syria, I
33:40
Speaker 1: expect that they would have had their passports revoked then.
33:44
Speaker 1: So if it was good enough to revoke their passports
33:47
Speaker 1: back then because of what they did, why are we
33:49
Speaker 1: now just giving them passports to get back here. But
33:52
Speaker 1: when you hear Tony Burke saying on seven thirty report
33:55
Speaker 1: last week or was it Insiders on the weekend, perhaps
33:58
Speaker 1: he said we don't want them here. Well, you have
34:00
Speaker 1: the government. You can do things to stop that from happening.
34:03
Speaker 1: You can toughen the laws up. We've already said multiple
34:06
Speaker 1: times we will work with the government to do what
34:09
Speaker 1: it needs to do to prevent the fastest brides from
34:12
Speaker 1: coming back. So I agree with your analogy there. It
34:16
Speaker 1: is very conscious pilot. Well, if they want them to
34:18
Speaker 1: come in, let them come in kind of thing. Well, no,
34:20
Speaker 1: this is national security and the government would be taking
34:23
Speaker 1: every step to protect us, but they're not.
34:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I listened to Burke's interview on Insiders yesterday.
34:29
Speaker 2: Made some comments about the definitional terms around the competent
34:33
Speaker 2: authority that makes a call on canceling passports. But if
34:37
Speaker 2: he thinks that the law is deficient, I argue it's not.
34:39
Speaker 2: But if he thinks it is, again, he's the government.
34:42
Speaker 2: The Parliament's back next week. He could put whatever definition
34:46
Speaker 2: he wants around competent authority and get it done immediately.
34:51
Speaker 2: But more than that, John, the report's over the weekend,
34:53
Speaker 2: and now the confirmation from New South Wales Premier Chris
34:57
Speaker 2: Ment today that his government, the New South Wales Government,
35:01
Speaker 2: has been in long conversations with authorities in Canberra, so
35:06
Speaker 2: the federal government about how they deal with these women
35:10
Speaker 2: when they're back in Australia. We think about a third
35:12
Speaker 2: will be in New South Wales. We know on past
35:15
Speaker 2: form a large number have settled in Victoria. So how
35:20
Speaker 2: does the Prime minister, How does the Prime Minister just
35:23
Speaker 2: stand there every single day we've debated this issue and
35:26
Speaker 2: get away with the lies. When Chris Minz has finally
35:31
Speaker 2: confirmed they have been up to their eyeballs in all
35:34
Speaker 2: of this, and up to their eyeballs in a Johno
35:37
Speaker 2: before Bondai. And we all know the links that will
35:41
Speaker 2: be established through the courts, but the links of that
35:43
Speaker 2: have been made by the police between Islamic States sympathizers
35:47
Speaker 2: and what happened in Bondai.
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Speaker 1: Islamist extremism drives antisemitis, There's no doubt about it, and
35:55
Speaker 1: so that's why it is important while we're making such
35:57
Speaker 1: a solid dance about this and white important to ensure
36:01
Speaker 1: that we don't actually have them come back. So if
36:04
Speaker 1: Chris means build the cat And it's very clear the
36:07
Speaker 1: Prime Minister the Government have been working and in hand
36:10
Speaker 1: with other governments across the country to facilitate this return.
36:14
Speaker 1: So they can't keep saying that. But at the end
36:17
Speaker 1: of the day, Peter, no matter what's said now, no
36:20
Speaker 1: matter what lie is told or what a mission from
36:23
Speaker 1: an answer by government minister, these women and their children
36:27
Speaker 1: are coming back to Australia because the government refuses to
36:30
Speaker 1: act and worse is facilitating REPAI.
36:33
Speaker 2: Wants them back, Johnno wants them back. They want Australians
36:37
Speaker 2: to think that they do not want them back. They
36:39
Speaker 2: want Australians to think unfortunately our hands are tied, but
36:43
Speaker 2: they want them back.
36:45
Speaker 1: If they wanted to stop them, they could, and that's right,
36:48
Speaker 1: as you say. Next week we're in parliament, let's pass
36:50
Speaker 1: laws to stop them coming back.
36:52
Speaker 2: All right, we will watch closely next week and wish
36:54
Speaker 2: you well. Let's go down to London where the arrest
36:57
Speaker 2: of Andrew Mountain Batton Windsor on Friday and all the
37:01
Speaker 2: news that's ensued a global story, isn't it. Well, there's
37:05
Speaker 2: revelations about a whistleblower email reportedly warning King Charles as
37:08
Speaker 2: long as ago as twenty nineteen that his brother was
37:12
Speaker 2: allowing a financier, David Rowland, to exploit Royal connections for
37:17
Speaker 2: business deals. Now this has deepened the crisis, and it
37:21
Speaker 2: followed as extraordinary images of the former prince in the
37:24
Speaker 2: back of a vehicle following his arrests joined me. Now
37:27
Speaker 2: we spoke to her a lot when the wonderful, wonderful.
37:29
Speaker 3: Queen passed away.
37:31
Speaker 2: Royal correspondent journalist Sarah Huston Sarah, great to see you
37:34
Speaker 2: on our screens in Australia. Once again, let's remind people
37:39
Speaker 2: that this is not related at this stage this investigation
37:42
Speaker 2: to allegations about sexual misconduct or anything in relation to
37:46
Speaker 2: the young women and the Epstein matter. But it goes
37:50
Speaker 2: to the misuse of the power he had as a
37:53
Speaker 2: trade envoy representing the government and this concern now that
38:00
Speaker 2: more in the government, or more sorry in the Royal
38:02
Speaker 2: family knew than we earlier thought, perhaps even the King.
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Speaker 18: Yes, Hello, good to see you again.
38:11
Speaker 3: Pe say yes.
38:12
Speaker 18: This is about Andrew's role as a trade envoy between
38:15
Speaker 18: two thousand and one and two thousand and eleven and
38:19
Speaker 18: what the latest revelations appeared to show is that the
38:23
Speaker 18: then Prince Charles back in twenty nineteen, received an email
38:27
Speaker 18: from a whistleblower in which he apparently is warned that
38:32
Speaker 18: Andrew placed more emphasis on his relationship with a controversial
38:37
Speaker 18: financier David Rowland than he did with his own family,
38:41
Speaker 18: and in a second email, the whistleblower is shown to
38:44
Speaker 18: email David Rowland in which he says to him that
38:47
Speaker 18: you are misusing your relationship with the Royal family and
38:52
Speaker 18: you only have a banking license in Luxembourg for his bank,
38:55
Speaker 18: Bank Haviland because you paid HRH the Duke of Us
39:00
Speaker 18: for it. Now it is known that David Rowland had
39:04
Speaker 18: paid off one point five million pound loan of Andrew
39:09
Speaker 18: Batmwinsor back in twenty seventeen, that he'd lent Sarah Ferguson
39:14
Speaker 18: some forty thousand pounds. And this isn't the only strands
39:19
Speaker 18: of investigation and allegation pointing towards greater knowledge within the
39:24
Speaker 18: heart of the royal family. We've also had s Vince Cable,
39:28
Speaker 18: the former Business Secretary, saying that there were long standing
39:31
Speaker 18: concerns raised about Andrew's suitability as a trade envoy, that
39:35
Speaker 18: he was seen as a liability that it was widely
39:38
Speaker 18: known that no one wanted to raise this with Buckingham Palace,
39:42
Speaker 18: and even as far back as two thousand and one,
39:44
Speaker 18: diplomatic cables show a then ambassador to the UAE warning
39:48
Speaker 18: of crass and offensive behavior that Andrew was not as
39:53
Speaker 18: so much enhancing as damaging relationships with the Emorts and
39:58
Speaker 18: the reputation of the royal family. That was within weeks
40:01
Speaker 18: of him starting the trade envoid job, and ten years
40:04
Speaker 18: later he was still in it.
40:07
Speaker 2: Is the monarchy going to be able to avoid coming
40:11
Speaker 2: under a cloud here?
40:13
Speaker 3: Sarah?
40:14
Speaker 2: I mean, I think everyone has written off the former
40:17
Speaker 2: Prince Andrew. I think there's a lot of approbrium for
40:20
Speaker 2: him and for his former wife Sarah Ferguson.
40:24
Speaker 3: I think we get that.
40:25
Speaker 2: You can debate whether he's in or out this succession plan.
40:27
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll ever be king, and there's all
40:30
Speaker 2: these cause obviously for him to front up and appear
40:33
Speaker 2: in court in the United Kingdom and in a congressional
40:36
Speaker 2: hearing in the United States. But I mean, give me
40:39
Speaker 2: your assessment. You've been around the royal circles for a
40:40
Speaker 2: long time. Is this going to impact Prince Charles King Charles.
40:47
Speaker 18: Look, this is the greatest scandal in modern times for
40:50
Speaker 18: the Royal family. They can only survive it if they're
40:52
Speaker 18: able to put the firewall around themselves and restrict the
40:58
Speaker 18: damage that Andrew has on them, stop that stain spreading.
41:02
Speaker 18: More than eighteen percent of people support him being removed
41:05
Speaker 18: from the line of succession. The government says it is
41:07
Speaker 18: very much on board with that. It remains to be
41:11
Speaker 18: seen how distance the Royal family can be because there
41:15
Speaker 18: are very serious questions being asked about who knew what when,
41:18
Speaker 18: and this is going to be a very, very very
41:21
Speaker 18: long running scandal. There's a long way still to go
41:23
Speaker 18: on this.
41:24
Speaker 2: Peter, all right, olived there, Thank you, Sarah. We will
41:26
Speaker 2: come back to that story. I have no doubt or
41:28
Speaker 2: a after the break, threats of jail for Pauline Hansen,
41:32
Speaker 2: as well as a referral to the Australian Federal Police.
41:41
Speaker 3: We'll go back now to revelations.
41:42
Speaker 2: Australia's biggest pro Palestinian network plans to hijack the Royal
41:46
Speaker 2: Commission of Antisemitism and Social Cohesion, which kicks off Tomorrowtine,
41:51
Speaker 2: the Australian Palestine Advocacy Network, says it will use its
41:56
Speaker 2: voice at the inquiry to attack Israel and claim anti
41:59
Speaker 2: Jewish incidents have been weaponized against its movement.
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Speaker 3: Here to discuss this and more.
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Speaker 2: One Nation chief of Staff James Ashby and a deputy
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Speaker 2: executive director for the Institute of Public Affairs Dan Wild
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Speaker 2: Dan anti Semitism record High has no doubt about that
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission has a very tight deadline. Still questions
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Speaker 2: about the commissioner, but surely we don't need to re
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Speaker 2: litigate its very existence. I mean, I'm talking here about
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Speaker 2: anti Semitism. If this gets hijacked by the pro Palestinian types,
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Speaker 2: it won't deliver what it is supposed to deliver in
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Speaker 2: terms of securing safety, not just for Jews in Australia
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Speaker 2: but for all of us.
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Speaker 19: Yeah, well that's right, Peter. And it's almost inevitable that
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Speaker 19: this process is going to be hijacked by activists and
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Speaker 19: those with nefarious motives. And I think it was a
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Speaker 19: mistake of the Liberal Party leadership to call for a
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Speaker 19: Royal Commission into this, and I've seen that at the
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Speaker 19: time that it was done, because we know that labor
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Speaker 19: is always going to gear these things towards political outcomes.
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Speaker 19: And as you just mentioned, the prospect to be getting
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Speaker 19: hijacked by sectional interests. The other point that I'll make
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Speaker 19: is I'm very concerned that the Royal Commission, far from
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Speaker 19: looking into some of the causes of the Bondai massacre
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Speaker 19: and providing potential solutions to the social divide we have,
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Speaker 19: will go down the path of further censoring Australians. I
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Speaker 19: do fear that the Royal Commission will recommend more anti
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Speaker 19: or so called anti hate speech laws, probably along the
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Speaker 19: lines of the laws that were originally put into Parliament
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Speaker 19: by Labor, which but were taken out of the bill
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Speaker 19: that was ultimately passed. So look, I think that the
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Speaker 19: politics of this is the Liberal Party needs to get
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Speaker 19: ahead of this and they need to make it clear
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Speaker 19: that they're not going to be supporting any recommendations that
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Speaker 19: are at the behest of activist groups or that are
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Speaker 19: going to result in further censorship of Australians. Otherwise they'll
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Speaker 19: get boxed in who passing laws, just as they did
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Speaker 19: a month or so ago.
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Speaker 2: Very good point, and I'll stay with the issue of
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Speaker 2: free speech and debate. The Prime Minister was questioned by
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Speaker 2: Andrew Clanell at the weekend, James of a comments your
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Speaker 2: boss made about Muslims.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson's recent comments on Muslims. Could they fullfoul the laws?
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Speaker 11: Do you think I'll allow? I'm not a lawyer, nor
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Speaker 11: am I in charge of fulfilling those laws. I'll allow
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Speaker 11: the appropriate authorities to engage. What we shouldn't do, Andrew,
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Speaker 11: and what will not build social cohesion is if people
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Speaker 11: come out and have their different views based upon their thoughts.
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Speaker 3: I tell you what, James.
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Speaker 2: We are in a bad place if politicians, whether you
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Speaker 2: agree with them or not, can't say something about a
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Speaker 2: topical national debate other than find themselves then referred to
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Speaker 2: the AFP by their.
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Speaker 8: Opponents, or the issue has always been about these hate
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Speaker 8: speech laws was designed to shut people down like Pauline
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Speaker 8: Hansson from having a say.
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Speaker 12: And it's not just Pauline, it's the general public as well.
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Speaker 8: We've seen what's occurred over in countries like England, where
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Speaker 8: we're seeing good law abiding citizens been locked up for
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Speaker 8: often years on end for simply raising their concerns about
45:21
Speaker 8: the very same issue that we're facing here in Australia. Look,
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Speaker 8: Pauline Hansen has a right to raise as a politician
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Speaker 8: the concerns that she sees about a changing Australia, about
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Speaker 8: the identity of this country, but also more importantly about
45:37
Speaker 8: the people who are coming to this country, and if
45:39
Speaker 8: we do have an issue with one sector or one
45:42
Speaker 8: group within this country. It is important that politicians have
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Speaker 8: the right to represent the people that elected them to
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Speaker 8: raise these issues, whether it be on the floor of
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Speaker 8: Parliament or in general discussion where debate can be had,
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Speaker 8: whether it be in the media, or as I say,
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Speaker 8: in our.
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Speaker 12: Very institutions like our Parliament.
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Speaker 8: So look, we'll see these laws will be tested again
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Speaker 8: and as usual, it's always the way they like to test.
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Speaker 12: Them on somebody like Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 2: And just quickly, James, what about this threat of jail
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Speaker 2: in relation to donations that had come from your boss?
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Speaker 2: I think the sums two hundred and forty five thousand.
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Speaker 2: It was a personal loan from Pauline Hanson to one
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Speaker 2: Nation last financial year. What can you tell us about
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Speaker 2: this claim?
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Speaker 8: Well, it makes for a good headline, but it's no
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Speaker 8: different to what Malcolm Turnbull did in twenty sixteen where
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Speaker 8: he lent the Liberal Party one point seven million dollars
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Speaker 8: The good thing about Pauline Hanson she puts her money
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Speaker 8: where her mouth is and it was her money she
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Speaker 8: lent to the party to ensure that we ran a
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Speaker 8: good campaign at this most recent election.
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Speaker 12: So great headline, just no truth to it, all right.
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Speaker 2: Dan, Just a quick one for you, and I want
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Speaker 2: to ask you something as a South Australian about the
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Speaker 2: upcoming state campaign. One nation say we don't think someone
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Speaker 2: should be a doctor in the city unless they do
47:01
Speaker 2: a tour of duty in a regional area. This is
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Speaker 2: a policy put out by Barnaby Joyce on the weekend.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of this in policy terms, Dan.
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Speaker 19: Well, I think there's some merit to the idea. Clearly
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Speaker 19: you need more GPS in regional areas. The problem is
47:16
Speaker 19: we need more GPS in the cities and the suburbs too,
47:18
Speaker 19: so we've got a general shortage of getting access to
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Speaker 19: medical services.
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Speaker 12: So I think there's merit to it.
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Speaker 19: But my concern would be, well, if they're going to
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Speaker 19: take them at the expense of coming in the suburbs,
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Speaker 19: and the risk is that you're shifting the problem elsewhere.
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Speaker 19: And I think, you know, we talk a lot about
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Speaker 19: migration and the problems that migration is placing on our
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Speaker 19: social services when you don't have supply keeping up. And
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Speaker 19: I think this is another example of something that Australians
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Speaker 19: are feeling, whether they live in the bush or live
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Speaker 19: in the suburbs. So it needs to be fixed no
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Speaker 19: matter where we live.
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Speaker 2: All right, A quick one from you, given your South
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Speaker 2: Australian residency, one nation is double the Liberal primary vote
47:51
Speaker 2: there the elections only a couple of weeks away.
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Speaker 3: What's going on, dan.
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 19: I think what's going on in Southeastustralia is really a
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Speaker 19: microcosm into what's happening nationally.
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Speaker 12: It's just much more pronounced here.
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Speaker 19: Part of the reason for that is a lot of
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Speaker 19: South Australians, as with a lot of Australians, don't feel
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Speaker 19: that the political class speaks for them anymore, whether it's
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Speaker 19: labor or Liberal. Now, obviously the difference in South Australia
48:17
Speaker 19: compared with federally is there's a popular leader in Peter
48:20
Speaker 19: Malanascus unlike an unpopular leader in Anthony Albanezi. But clearly
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Speaker 19: what South Australian is looking for is a liberal party
48:27
Speaker 19: that will be for mainstream values and a strong center
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Speaker 19: right party. And I think at times it's maybe not
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Speaker 19: lived up to that. Now the new leader, Ashton Hearn,
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Speaker 19: I think is absolutely doing her best. She was only
48:38
Speaker 19: put in the role not so long ago. But you know,
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Speaker 19: One Nation has now created a challenge on the right,
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Speaker 19: Labour's created a challenge on the left and clearly the
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Speaker 19: party is getting squeezed.
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Speaker 3: In the middle. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I think it'll be a very good bell weather for
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Speaker 2: our One Nation's movements that obviously in the Pharao by
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Speaker 2: election broadly around the country. Thank you both, Dan James,
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Speaker 2: thanks for your time seeing next week.
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Speaker 3: That's it for me. He Andrews up next. See you
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Speaker 3: tomorrow night mm hm.