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Sharri | 5 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James
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Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Sharry. Coming up tonight. Labor busy
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Speaker 2: trying to put a good spin on yesterday's grim economic
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Speaker 2: news as a new poll released just hours ago shows
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton on track to win the next election, an
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Speaker 2: entire industry on a knife's edge as Tanya Plibasek pussyfoots
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Speaker 2: around another major decision in her environment portfolio and is
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Speaker 2: the answer to declining educational out and this declining educational
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Speaker 2: outcomes a return to old school teaching methods. The amazing
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Speaker 2: nap Plan results achieved by a group of Catholic schools
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Speaker 2: suggests that's the case. Kevin Donnelly will join me shortly,
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Speaker 2: and Jews targeted a game by protesters, this time outside
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Speaker 2: of major Sydney synagogue, with worshipers forced to barricade themselves
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Speaker 2: inside their synagogue for their own safety. I'll have the
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Speaker 2: latest on that disgraceful episode with Alex Rivchen shortly. But
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Speaker 2: First Treasurer Jim Chalmers today publicly backed Anthony Albanesi to
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Speaker 2: continue leading the Labor Party if they win the next election.
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Speaker 2: And that public backing should ensure the Prime Minister enjoys
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Speaker 2: anything but a merry Christmas. Whenever your nearest political rival
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Speaker 2: is publicly backing you, it's a sign you're already in trouble.
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you weren't in trouble, there'd be no
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Speaker 2: need for people to say that they back you. And
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Speaker 2: if you are in trouble will your rivals are only
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Speaker 2: backing you until they're close enough to stab you in
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Speaker 2: the back, which is why Albaneze's election catchphrase is all
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Speaker 2: sorts of wrong. And my government has always been focused
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Speaker 2: on making Australians lives better. The number one priority of
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Speaker 2: my government is to continue providing support. My message is
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Speaker 2: we have your back. Do you really believe Anthony Albanesi
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Speaker 2: has your back or do you feel like Anthony Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albaneze he needs to get off your back, along with
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, Penny Wong, Andrew Giles, Tanya Plipasek Ed Husick
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Speaker 2: and Tony Burke. That's a lot of monkeys. But back
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Speaker 2: to my point, do you really think Albinizi believes Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers has his back? He's Jim Charmers on ABC Radio
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Speaker 2: earlier today.
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Speaker 3: My expectation, and my hope is if we do win
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Speaker 3: the election next year, that Anthony Alberanezi serves the full
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Speaker 3: term and runs again. That's what I would expect to happen.
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Speaker 2: Okay, he expects and he hopes. He might have added
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Speaker 2: wishes and praise that Albanezi will be leader if they
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Speaker 2: win the next election. Expect, hope, if not exactly terms
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Speaker 2: that fee you with confidence. Charmer's unassuring reassurance came after
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Speaker 2: the Age newspaper ran this headline, if Albanezi wins the
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Speaker 2: next election, he should celebrate, then step aside. Now bear
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Speaker 2: in mind this isn't the evil papers, this is the
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Speaker 2: Melbourne Age. Nikki Sava wrote, and I quote Albanezy succeeded brilliantly,
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Speaker 2: certainly beyond his wildest imaginings and that of his friends,
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Speaker 2: to become leader then prime minister. He should count his
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Speaker 2: blessings then gracefully relinquish the job. In other words, no one,
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Speaker 2: not even his friends, ever thought Albinezy was much of
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Speaker 2: a leader, and they're still amazed he's the prime minister.
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Speaker 2: And that was the kind version. She went on to say,
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Speaker 2: the more drastic view, which has been bubbling away inside
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Speaker 2: the wider Labor family is that he's lost his mojo,
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Speaker 2: His judgment has deserted him and if he can't summon
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Speaker 2: the discipline to shape up, he should ship out before
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Speaker 2: the election to allow someone else to take on a
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Speaker 2: rampant Peter Dutton AlCH that's from the friendly media. So
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Speaker 2: there was Jim Chalmers on ABC Radio helping to pump
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Speaker 2: up his ailing leader's mojo.
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Speaker 3: One of the things that we'll be taking to the
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Speaker 3: Australian people is a sense of stability, a sense that
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Speaker 3: we've got an economic plan.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Labor is going to take a sense
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Speaker 2: of stability to the Australian people. Where are they going
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Speaker 2: to get that from? Is he talking about the electricity
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Speaker 2: grid that's not exactly stable at the moment. Maybe he's
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Speaker 2: talking about interest rates. They're pretty stable, as in immovably high.
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Speaker 2: Immigration is also stable at record numbers. Government spending is
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Speaker 2: stable at record highs. Forgive me, but things are terrible
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Speaker 2: and we promise to keep it stable. It's not exactly
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Speaker 2: a winning pitch. Imagine an airline pilot telling passengers as
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Speaker 2: they plummet towards the ground, we're going to crash, but
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Speaker 2: don't worry as we plummet to the earth will be
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Speaker 2: giving you a sense of stability as well as a
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Speaker 2: sense of stability. The Treasurer promise to PM would give
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Speaker 2: Australians a sense that we've got an economic plan, not
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Speaker 2: a plan, a sense that they've got a plan. And
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Speaker 2: then Jim Charmers generously gave all the credit for the
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Speaker 2: sense of stability and the sense of a plan to
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi, which gives me the sense that Charmers has
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Speaker 2: the PM's back in the same way the PM has ours.
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Speaker 3: We're rolling that out in difficult times. We're helping people
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Speaker 3: where we can, and that's a tribute to Anthony's leadership.
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Speaker 2: Wonderful. We're rolling out a sense of a plan in
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Speaker 2: difficult times and helping people, you know, where we can,
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Speaker 2: and it's all thanks to Anthony's leadership. Very helpful Jim Charmers.
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Speaker 3: I certainly anticipate and expect and hope that if we
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Speaker 3: win the next election that Anthony will be around.
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Speaker 2: For as long as possible. Anthony Albanesi has been in
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Speaker 2: the lodge two and a half years and he's already
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Speaker 2: run out of gas a bit like the country. Actually
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Speaker 2: a report out today by Frontier Economics predicted residential gas
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Speaker 2: customers would face price rises of up to two hundred
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Speaker 2: and ninety dollars because supply of gas is so short.
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Speaker 2: That comes after yesterday's warning by Manufacturing Australia that looming
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Speaker 2: gas shortage threatens tens of thousands of jobs. It's so
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Speaker 2: bad we're now getting to the point where we can't
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Speaker 2: afford to even make bricks in this country. Australia's number
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Speaker 2: one home builder, Metricon, said the cost of making bricks,
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Speaker 2: which like the manufacture of most things, requires gas, has
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Speaker 2: gone up two hundred percent in the past six years,
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Speaker 2: and that's making houses more expensive, which is making the
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Speaker 2: housing crisis a greater crisis, which is why we need
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Speaker 2: a little more than a sense that the government has
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Speaker 2: a plan. According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, building
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Speaker 2: costs are now on average thirty five percent higher than
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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, and the major cause of that is
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Speaker 2: high energy costs. But of course here's the crazy thing.
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Speaker 2: The gas shortage that threatens to cripple and already hobbled
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Speaker 2: economy is not a gas shortage at all. It's a
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Speaker 2: refusal on the part of the government to access the
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Speaker 2: abundance of gas right beneath our feet. The government's decided
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Speaker 2: that gas is evil, too many emissions, and so we
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Speaker 2: can't access any more of it. Seventy percent of what
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Speaker 2: we do access is sold over sea, leaving the domestic
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Speaker 2: market hopelessly short. But instead of opening new gas fields
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Speaker 2: can't do that emissions. We export gas overseas and then
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Speaker 2: pay to import it back at a higher price than
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Speaker 2: we sold it. Call it elbanomics. And by the time
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Speaker 2: we bring back to Australia what we've shipped out of Australia,
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Speaker 2: what do you think has happened to emissions? We've created
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Speaker 2: more than we otherwise would have. So it's a hold
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Speaker 2: of pain for absolutely zero gain. If you're getting a
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Speaker 2: sense that the government's plan makes no sense, then that's
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Speaker 2: not the sense Jim Chalmers intended. But your sensors are good.
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Speaker 2: Having demonized call disparaged gas and discredited nuclear, here's the plan.
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Speaker 2: Canberra's trial shows evs can provide backup power to grid
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Speaker 2: in blackouts and emergencies. That's right. We can power Australia
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Speaker 2: by getting motorists to donate unused electricity from their Tesla's
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Speaker 2: Now you know Jim Chalmers says they have a sense
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Speaker 2: of a plan, because that sure ain't an actual plan.
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Speaker 2: Here's a plan.
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Speaker 4: I will end a devastating infleetion crisis, immediately bring down
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Speaker 4: interest rates and lower the costs of energy.
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Speaker 5: We will drill, baby drill.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton should drill, baby drill. That should be his
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Speaker 2: election catchphrase. Would you vote for Elbow to have you
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Speaker 2: back or for Dutton to drill baby drill. He made
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Speaker 2: a good move today pledging to scrap the government's planned
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Speaker 2: Port Stephens offshore wind farm if elected.
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Speaker 6: Our economy can't function on intermittent part time power. We
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Speaker 6: need strong base slow power. Anthony Orbernezi is about an
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Speaker 6: ideological pursuit of one hundred percent renewables in the system,
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Speaker 6: which will drive up the power prices of ordinary Australians.
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Speaker 2: Well that's a really good start. Next, pledge to scrap
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Speaker 2: the bands on accessing our abundant resources of natural gas.
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Speaker 2: Then pledge to restart coal fired power stations until nuclear
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Speaker 2: power is ready. Do that and everyone will be happy.
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Speaker 2: Australians will have cheap, reliable energy. Peter Dutton will be
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Speaker 2: in the lodge Anthony Albanezi will be enjoying retirement in
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Speaker 2: his four million dollar beach side mansion. It's on a
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Speaker 2: cliff top, so he'll be safe from sea levels that
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Speaker 2: will be warned will rise the moment Dutton takes office
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Speaker 2: and Jim Charmers will lead the Labor opposition from where
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Speaker 2: he can continue his political career, but without damaging the
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Speaker 2: country any further. Now that's a plan that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Let's hope Peter Dutton is sensible enough to do it.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers is working hard to spin some positive
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Speaker 2: pr out of yesterday's grim economic data after the Coalition
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Speaker 2: slammed Labour's record spending which is driving inflation and keeping
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Speaker 2: interest rates high. Peter Dutton, families are going backwards under
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Speaker 2: this government.
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Speaker 6: Inflation remains high and therefore interest rates will stay higher
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Speaker 6: for longer. Why well, the Reserve Bank Governor has made
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Speaker 6: it very clear the government continues to spend money in
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Speaker 6: a wasteful way and that's holding up inflation for longer.
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Speaker 6: And that's why interest rates will stay higher for longer.
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Speaker 2: And here's the Treasure's measured sensible reply.
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Speaker 3: So we get a lot of free advice from our
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Speaker 3: political opponents and from their sicker fans and suck ups
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Speaker 3: that we should have some kind of slash and burn
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Speaker 3: budget with radical austerity. That's a recipe for a session.
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Speaker 2: That sounded to me like a man under pressure. Not
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Speaker 2: as much pressure as Anthony Albanezi, mind you, and not
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Speaker 2: as much pressure as every day ossie's trying to pay
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Speaker 2: their bills. But that was a tetchy response. Let's bring
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Speaker 2: in a very relaxed and calm Perth Mayre Basil's emplas
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Speaker 2: and LNPMP Andrew Wallace Basil Jim Chalmers has promised the
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Speaker 2: midyear budget won't be a major cash splash. But what
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Speaker 2: happens to our already weak GDP figures if we don't
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Speaker 2: have the government's wrecked spending to keep propping us up.
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Speaker 1: Well we know where that'd be, don't we. And he's
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Speaker 1: getting cranky, the Treasurer. And cranky means and he's normally
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Speaker 1: pretty mild mannered. That means all is not well, or
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Speaker 1: certainly the attention that he is under an Australia's financial position.
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Speaker 1: He is bearing the brunt of responsibility for it as
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Speaker 1: he should. He is the federal Treasurer. We know that
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Speaker 1: productivity is down. We know that Australian's standards of living
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Speaker 1: have fallen off a cliff. We know that household bills
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Speaker 1: have gone up, and we know that the Australian federal
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Speaker 1: public service has grown by around about twenty five thousand
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Speaker 1: people in Labour's period. So this spending is not the
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Speaker 1: right way to address the Australian economy, and sooner or
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Speaker 1: later it is going to become a major problem.
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Speaker 2: It's already at that point.
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Speaker 1: And frankly, if they're the sorts of responses that the
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Speaker 1: Treasurer is giving to sensible, well meaning questions, well perhaps
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Speaker 1: it suggests he's out of answers.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it certainly suggests he's out of his depth. Andrew.
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Speaker 2: The only sector of the economy that's growing is the
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Speaker 2: public sector. As Basil pointed out, the Commonwealth public services
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Speaker 2: grown by twenty six thousand permanent staff since Labor came
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Speaker 2: to power. The Commonwealth now has three hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: five thousand employees with an annual wages bill of thirty
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Speaker 2: seven billion dollars and guests who pays for that? If
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Speaker 2: you guessed you and I you'd be correct. This government
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Speaker 2: is building bureaucracy while business just dwindles, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: Let's right, James, and thanks for having me on. Of
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Speaker 8: course this is true to form for all labor governments
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Speaker 8: who always believe in big spending, big bloated bureaucracy. We
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Speaker 8: have had an explosion of public servants working in Canberra,
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Speaker 8: and of course we've had more than a million immigrants
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Speaker 8: coming into the country and really that's the only thing
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Speaker 8: that has kept the economy on life support rather than
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Speaker 8: being a stone, moveless dead. But when I get around
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Speaker 8: and talk to people in my electorate and everywhere else
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Speaker 8: in Australia apart from Canberra, people are doing it very,
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Speaker 8: very very tough. The cost of living on families has
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Speaker 8: been so incredibly significant with now the National Account figures
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Speaker 8: that were released just a couple of days ago identified
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Speaker 8: now seven consecutive quarters of negative growth. It's the longest
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Speaker 8: period in Australian history of negative growth for households and
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Speaker 8: it really just demonstrates how tough people are doing. But
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Speaker 8: if people are in small business, they're getting a double
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Speaker 8: wham because not only have their cost of living significantly
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Speaker 8: gone up, but the cost of doing business for small
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Speaker 8: business gas electricity insurance. They've all gone skyrocketing as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean got problems everywhere. Who would have
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Speaker 2: imagined back in twenty twenty two that labor might be
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Speaker 2: a one term government and the part of the reason
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Speaker 2: for that would be, can you believe it? Salmon Labor
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Speaker 2: heavyweights have worn the Prime Minister that if they shut
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Speaker 2: down salmon farming in Tasmania to save the manguin skates
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Speaker 2: so beloved by inner city Greens, they won't have an
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Speaker 2: office to return to after the election. Basil. It's not
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Speaker 2: like the PM doesn't have enough on his plate right
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Speaker 2: now without adding salmon, of all things to it.
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Speaker 1: Haven't got many, right, have they? And there must be
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Speaker 1: some soul searching, even if it's not audible, or even
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Speaker 1: if it's not conversations that they're having allowed, they must
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Speaker 1: wonder to themselves, how did we get from where we
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Speaker 1: were nearly three years ago to this.
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Speaker 2: Point where we're hanging in by a.
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Speaker 1: Thread and the latest opinion polls we know what they're suggesting.
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Speaker 1: I think there's been such a contrast in styles from
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Speaker 1: the leaders. We know that Peter dutt't have said this
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Speaker 1: many times, not trying to win a popularity contest trying
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Speaker 1: to win an elect and his philosophy about achieving that
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Speaker 1: has been stand for what you stand for, make it clear,
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Speaker 1: be big and bold and let the Australian people make
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Speaker 1: their choice. And by contrast, the Prime Minister has been
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Speaker 1: flimsy and wishy was She been on some positions, been
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Speaker 1: off others and hasn't been able to get one to stick.
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Speaker 1: So there is a clear contrast. We're going to have
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Speaker 1: an election in the first half of next year and
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Speaker 1: right now Peter Dutton really starting to look like a winner.
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Speaker 2: Andrew Environment Minister Tanya Plibasek isn't exactly helping. She's made
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Speaker 2: a mess of the mcphillamy gold decision and now she's
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Speaker 2: making a mess of Tasmania's salmon industry. She's put off
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Speaker 2: for decision about the industry until after the election, leaving
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Speaker 2: more than five thousand people who rely on the industry
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Speaker 2: for their livelihoods in limbo. I mean you just can't
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Speaker 2: lead like that. In fact, that's not leadership at all.
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Speaker 8: No, absolutely, and I agree with all the comments that
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Speaker 8: have been said tonight so far. You know those five
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Speaker 8: one hundred workers that stand to lose their jobs in
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Speaker 8: Tasmania and the salmon industry, and you've got Tanya Plitbusek
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Speaker 8: who is consistently trying to appeal to the inner city
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Speaker 8: elites in Melbourne and Sydney and really not looking after
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Speaker 8: and also in my electorate as well, the fishing industry.
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Speaker 8: That the damage that she's caused in my electric in
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Speaker 8: fisher Weather the largest wild court tuna fishery on the
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Speaker 8: eastern seaboard of Australia, and she has locked up so
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Speaker 8: much of the fishing grounds that we're seeing unprecedented numbers
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Speaker 8: of boats that are no longer going to see because
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Speaker 8: it's just not viable for them animal. So it's not
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Speaker 8: just salmon in Tazzi, it's also tuna around the East
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Speaker 8: coast of Australia and that's because of Tanya Plitbucy Well Andrew.
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Speaker 2: With all of this, it should come as no surprise,
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Speaker 2: or maybe it does. I don't know that polling released
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Speaker 2: just a couple of hours ago has Peter Dutton on
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Speaker 2: track to win the election next year. The Redbridge poll,
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Speaker 2: released just as I said a couple of hours ago
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Speaker 2: in news Court Papers, projects the Coalition ahead in sixty
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Speaker 2: four seats, ahead of Labour on fifty nine, with fourteen
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Speaker 2: seats remaining too close to call. Basil. I remember when
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Speaker 2: the experts used to assure themselves that Peter Dutton was unelectable.
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Speaker 2: Is this a case of cometh the hour, cometh the man,
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Speaker 2: because all of a sudden Peter Dutton's got his nose
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Speaker 2: in front.
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Speaker 1: It feels that way, doesn't it. And you know, I
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Speaker 1: think often in observing Australian politics, no opposition leader ever
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Speaker 1: really looks like a premier or a prime minister. But
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Speaker 1: then when they are, they quickly bed in. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's the relationship that Peter Dutton is enjoying with
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Speaker 1: the Australian population at the moment. I mean, they see
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Speaker 1: him for what he is. He doesn't try and be
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Speaker 1: something that he's not. He makes his agenda and his
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Speaker 1: philosophy is very clear. He sticks to them and he
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Speaker 1: has given the sort of conviction leadership forward as an
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Speaker 1: option for the Australian public that they are looking for.
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Speaker 1: And when you contrast Anthony Albanese's style over the last
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Speaker 1: three years, nice enough, fellow, good bloke. I think he
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Speaker 1: is a genuinely good bloke. I think he is a good,
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Speaker 1: honest decent Australian, but he hasn't got the politics right
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Speaker 1: in this three year term. And by contrast, the option
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Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton has put forward strong, bold, this is
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Speaker 1: what I stand for. People have a choice and at
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Speaker 1: the moment I'm not surprised to see the polls leaning
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Speaker 1: his way.
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Speaker 2: Neil Andrew just quickly. Labor have said that at the
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Speaker 2: next election they're going to target Peter Dutton's quote unquote unlikability.
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Speaker 2: But it's the shine that seems to have come off
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Speaker 2: elbow that's the real problem, isn't it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Look, I think Peter is appealing to people because of
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Speaker 8: his strength. I think that the Australian people are looking
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Speaker 8: for strong leadership right now. What they've seen over the
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Speaker 8: two and a half years with the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 8: been utter ineffective weakness and the way that he has
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Speaker 8: been totally distracted on things like the voice when average
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Speaker 8: Australians and small business is doing it so tough with
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Speaker 8: the cost of living. They haven't concentrated on basics by
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Speaker 8: getting the fundamentals right, trying to assist our economy. Our
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Speaker 8: economy is gone backwards at a great rate of knots.
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Speaker 8: People are doing it tough, and people are comparing the
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Speaker 8: weakness of Anthony Albanesi with the strength of Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: Look, I don't want to come.
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Speaker 8: Out this early in the blocks and say that you
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Speaker 8: know we're going to win the next election. I'm not
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Speaker 8: going to say that because it's a herculean task that
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Speaker 8: waits ahead of us. We has only ever been one
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Speaker 8: term one one term government in Australian political history at
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Speaker 8: a federal level, and that was back in nineteen thirty one.
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Speaker 8: We need to win twenty one seats to win already government.
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Speaker 2: So it's a herculean task.
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Speaker 8: But Peter Dutton is up to the job as and
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Speaker 8: we will support him every step of the way.
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Speaker 2: He's certainly making all the right moves at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Basil Andrew, appreciate your time tonight, Thank you well. Catholic
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Speaker 2: schools in the Act captured national attention this week after
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Speaker 2: they achieved remarkable results in this year's napland tests. And
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Speaker 2: guess how they achieved top results. They went old school.
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Speaker 2: The Catholics ditched the modern education fetish of student led learning,
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Speaker 2: whatever that means, and they got teachers to actually teach,
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Speaker 2: and they got kids to repeat key concepts over and
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Speaker 2: over and over again until they were certain they had
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Speaker 2: learned them. Fancy that and it worked. Teachers teaching kids
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Speaker 2: learning and concepts being committed to memory. What a revolutionary idea,
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Speaker 2: And that of course is the problem, isn't it. It
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Speaker 2: is revolutionary, but it shouldn't be, but it is to discuss.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined by author Kevin Donnelly. Kevin, thanks for your
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Speaker 2: time tonight, just before to get into all of this,
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Speaker 2: tell us about these schools and how well they did,
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Speaker 2: because the turnaround for some of them was quite dramatic,
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Speaker 2: wasn't it.
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Speaker 10: It is very much James. And when you look at
21:12
Speaker 10: the schools, the Catholic schools in the Act, but other
21:16
Speaker 10: schools in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, those primary schools in
21:21
Speaker 10: particular where you really do have to learn the basics
21:25
Speaker 10: in terms of reading. What they've done over the last
21:29
Speaker 10: five ten years, a lot of them is to get
21:33
Speaker 10: rid of this progressive New Age approach to reading called
21:38
Speaker 10: look and guess, where it's all about pretty well making
21:42
Speaker 10: it up. And these more successful schools have gone back
21:47
Speaker 10: to what in the old days were called phonics and
21:51
Speaker 10: phonemic awareness, which is about learning the structure of the alphabet,
21:56
Speaker 10: learning about particular words, found them out in terms of
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Speaker 10: valves and consonance, and how to put that together, so
22:05
Speaker 10: it becomes automatic. I mean back in the day when
22:10
Speaker 10: I did teacher training many years ago, and I did
22:14
Speaker 10: it I was an English teacher, we were told that
22:17
Speaker 10: learning to read was natural, like learning to listen or talk.
22:22
Speaker 10: But learning to read is actually very unnatural, and it
22:25
Speaker 10: has to be structured, it has to be explicit, and
22:29
Speaker 10: it has to be well taught.
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Speaker 2: So do you think these results will put an end
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Speaker 2: to those progressive fads and experiments that we've seen become
22:38
Speaker 2: all the rage recently or is there a reluctance to
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Speaker 2: change amongst the teaching fraternity in schools.
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Speaker 10: It's complicated. I mean, the reality is many teachers who
22:50
Speaker 10: have gone through teacher training over the last ten twenty
22:54
Speaker 10: years have not been taught this approach, whether you call
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Speaker 10: it phonics, whether you call it direct instruction or more
23:03
Speaker 10: explicit teaching. So a lot of teachers already in the
23:06
Speaker 10: classroom are going to have to be retrained. And that means,
23:11
Speaker 10: in fact that faculties of education and some are doing
23:14
Speaker 10: it now, whether it's Latrov University, or the Australian Catholic University.
23:21
Speaker 10: They have moved towards this more effective approach to teaching
23:25
Speaker 10: and learning. It's going to take time. It's not about money,
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Speaker 10: and the teacher Union, the Australian Education Union are wrong
23:34
Speaker 10: to argue the best way to improve results is to
23:38
Speaker 10: put more money into it. We know that doesn't work.
23:41
Speaker 10: What has to happen is we need to look at
23:45
Speaker 10: more effective teaching and learning and that will take time.
23:48
Speaker 10: There's no denying that, but it's a good thing. The
23:52
Speaker 10: real crime here is that we've had generations of young
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Speaker 10: people over the last twenty thirty years, and I and
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Speaker 10: others warned about this thirty years ago, that we've gone
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Speaker 10: down the wrong track. The problem is we've had generations
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Speaker 10: of young people go through a school not being able
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Speaker 10: to read, in fact illiterate. So it'll take time before
24:17
Speaker 10: we can rectify that.
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Speaker 2: What I want to know is if the results are
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Speaker 2: so stark and it's so obvious that a return to
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Speaker 2: how we used to do things is in the best
24:28
Speaker 2: interests of every child's education, why does the government not
24:33
Speaker 2: insist that this is done immediately. You say, well, teachers
24:37
Speaker 2: have to be retrained. Fair Enough, retrain teachers, but I
24:41
Speaker 2: mean governments fund schools. If the results are so obviously
24:45
Speaker 2: better with the old methods, why is it not mandated
24:49
Speaker 2: in every state for all schools. If you want your funding,
24:52
Speaker 2: you will take steps to go back to learning as
24:55
Speaker 2: we used to do, rather than with these new fads
24:57
Speaker 2: that clearly a producing less than optimal results.
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Speaker 10: The problem here is that and I was an English
25:05
Speaker 10: teacher as I mentioned, for eighteen years, and the Australian
25:09
Speaker 10: Association Teaching of English, they've been pushing this progressive New
25:14
Speaker 10: Age agenda over the last twenty thirty years, so a
25:18
Speaker 10: lot of those academics who are responsible. The Australian Education
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Speaker 10: Union is another one, they've been pushing this idea of
25:29
Speaker 10: what they call critical literacy, get away from teaching standard
25:34
Speaker 10: English or for its venetics awareness. You've got these organizations
25:39
Speaker 10: that have been very influential and it will take a
25:42
Speaker 10: very strong education minister federally or state and territory to
25:47
Speaker 10: actually fight against these entrenched organizations that have spent the
25:54
Speaker 10: last thirty years creating the problem. So it's going to
25:58
Speaker 10: be difficult. I mean, Jason Clare, the labor or the
26:04
Speaker 10: federal minister, ALP he's tried to tie to funding. Whether
26:09
Speaker 10: that will work, I don't think so. What you need
26:13
Speaker 10: is a more route and branch change in terms of
26:18
Speaker 10: teacher training, in terms of helping teachers who are already
26:22
Speaker 10: in the classroom, and also teaching parents and people. Forget
26:27
Speaker 10: that this literacy begins when children are two or three
26:32
Speaker 10: or five years old, before they go to school. Teachers
26:36
Speaker 10: are there, they can do their job, but they have
26:39
Speaker 10: to have young kids coming to school who know about
26:42
Speaker 10: what the printed word is. Parents need to get them
26:46
Speaker 10: off the tablets, off the computer screens. They need to
26:50
Speaker 10: shut it down, take it away, give them a picture book.
26:55
Speaker 10: Actually get their children to understand it's the printed word
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Speaker 10: is more important than spending time on in the digital world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Donnelly, you make a lot of sense. Thanks
27:08
Speaker 2: for your time tonight. I really appreciate it. We'll stick around.
27:10
Speaker 2: Still ahead. Caught on camera, Sleepy Joe zones out while
27:14
Speaker 2: meeting with African leaders. And next, more ugly scenes as
27:18
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters target Jewish worshippers at a synagogue in Sydney.
27:23
Speaker 2: That's up next, Welcome Back. Jewish Australians were barricaded inside
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Speaker 2: Sydney's Great Synagogue last night after a noisy and aggressive
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Speaker 2: pro Palestinian group decided to protest on the street right outside.
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Speaker 2: Just think about that. Our fellow Australians were unable to
27:43
Speaker 2: safely leave their place of worship in the Sydney CBD
27:47
Speaker 2: because of people protesting about a conflict happening on the
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Speaker 2: other side of the world. The so called activists protested
27:54
Speaker 2: outside the place of worship for nearly three hours, calling
27:58
Speaker 2: for sanctions against Israel and chanting from the River to
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Speaker 2: the Sea, which everyone knows very well is a call
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Speaker 2: for the extermination of the state of Israel. It was ugly,
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Speaker 2: it was uncalled for, and for Jews in the synagogue
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Speaker 2: it must have been terrifying. And once again our police
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Speaker 2: failed Jewish Australians while allowing those who sought to intimidate
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Speaker 2: them to run unchecked. Have a look at this. Police
28:24
Speaker 2: do nothing to remove the mob chanting in sindiery slogans
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Speaker 2: right out the front of the synagogue. But when a
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Speaker 2: Jew holds an Israeli flag outside of the Jewish synagogue,
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Speaker 2: police move on the Jew for exciting the mob.
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Speaker 5: Around the world.
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Speaker 1: Did you go away?
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Speaker 5: I would you think idea no need to be here.
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Speaker 2: I cannot believe that, no need for the guy with
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Speaker 2: the Jewish flag to be outside the Jewish synagogue. What
29:05
Speaker 2: about the protesters? Why are they there? The police just
29:09
Speaker 2: allowed them to continue. I suppose they weren't breaking any laws.
29:12
Speaker 2: But seriously, when you see things like that, you just
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Speaker 2: wonder what on earth is going on. I'm joined now
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Speaker 2: by Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Ritchin. Alex.
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Speaker 2: The mob claimed they were protesting against an event being
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Speaker 2: held at the synagogue by the Israel Institute of Technology.
29:29
Speaker 2: Was that a fair enough excuse to camp right out
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Speaker 2: front of the synagogue?
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Speaker 11: Certainly not. But the event that they were protesting was
29:38
Speaker 11: the anniversary the one hundredth anniversary of the Technion University
29:41
Speaker 11: in Haipha, one of the great institutions of higher education
29:45
Speaker 11: anywhere in the world. And the reason they were protesting
29:47
Speaker 11: that first, it's a symbol of Israel, but also it
29:50
Speaker 11: stands for everything that they fear and hate. So the
29:53
Speaker 11: Techniom was found in nineteen twelve by Jews in haifer
29:56
Speaker 11: But the protesters would have this, believe that there were
29:59
Speaker 11: no Jews before nineteen forty eight. Twenty percent of the
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Speaker 11: students that go to that university are Arab Israelis. They
30:06
Speaker 11: would have us believe that Israel's in apartheid state. The
30:09
Speaker 11: technio has produced groundbreaking research, particular Nobel Laureates in molecular
30:15
Speaker 11: biology that have changed the way that we look at diseases.
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Speaker 11: But the protesters would have us believe that Israel is
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Speaker 11: a force for evil.
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Speaker 2: Are not good.
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Speaker 11: So the institution represents everything that they fear and everything
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Speaker 11: that I want us to know, which is the truth
30:28
Speaker 11: of Israel. It shows again that this is a protest
30:31
Speaker 11: not against any political cause. It's a protest against values,
30:34
Speaker 11: against decency and basic truth.
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Speaker 2: So Alex just explain to me. For the people who
30:41
Speaker 2: were inside the synagogue, I mean they couldn't come out
30:44
Speaker 2: the front door because I mean, one Jewish man across
30:47
Speaker 2: the other side of the road stood up so much
30:50
Speaker 2: commotion police moved him on. So all the people inside
30:53
Speaker 2: the synagogue, the protest went for about three hours. Were
30:57
Speaker 2: they able to get out and get home happened?
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Speaker 11: They had to wait it out. They were barricaded inside
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Speaker 11: the synagogue and they were advised by police that wasn't
31:06
Speaker 11: safe for them to leave. We've seen over the last
31:09
Speaker 11: fourteen months and in countries around the world, what these
31:13
Speaker 11: mobs can do when properly aggravated and insided. It's a
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Speaker 11: dangerous situation. And that's why the police were so keen
31:19
Speaker 11: to remove the one Jewish individual. We look at that
31:24
Speaker 11: as a case of bizarre police and the fact they
31:26
Speaker 11: targeted the jew rather than the mob that threatened him.
31:29
Speaker 11: But ultimately they were concerned for his safety and it
31:31
Speaker 11: was easy to remove him. But it shows the menace
31:34
Speaker 11: and the harm posed by these mobs, and that's why
31:36
Speaker 11: for three hours the people inside couldn't even go about
31:39
Speaker 11: their lives. And the fact that you have people in
31:41
Speaker 11: this country in this time barricaded inside synagogues, unable to
31:45
Speaker 11: go about their lives at the mercy of mobs, it's shameful.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's absolutely outrageous. Speaking of outrageous, I want to
31:53
Speaker 2: turn to today's shocking news with Amnesty International accusing ISRAELIH
31:57
Speaker 2: committing genocide against Palestinia in Gaza. Now, Amnesty took it
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Speaker 2: upon themselves to do an investigation and released the report yesterday.
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Speaker 2: Should NGOs even be getting involved in investigations.
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Speaker 11: Like this, It very much depends on the NGOs and
32:14
Speaker 11: their expertise, and whether they arrive at these issues with
32:17
Speaker 11: credibility and good faith. Amnesty certainly does not. Since two
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Speaker 11: thousand and one, Amnesty has been at the forefront of
32:24
Speaker 11: the NGO war against Israel. It was one of the
32:26
Speaker 11: leading groups involved in the Durban Conference where the boycott,
32:29
Speaker 11: divestment and sanctioned BDS movement against.
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Speaker 2: Israel was formed.
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Speaker 11: The following year, it was responsible for spreading the libel
32:37
Speaker 11: that Israel had massacred five hundred people in Jenin, where
32:41
Speaker 11: no such thing had occurred. For years and years and years,
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Speaker 11: this organization has produced phony reports that have done nothing
32:48
Speaker 11: but spread greater lives and greater harm targeting Jewish individuals
32:51
Speaker 11: and the State of Israel, and they receive government funding.
32:54
Speaker 11: They're still viewed as being an impartial, credible organization. Last
32:58
Speaker 11: year they attacked Ukraine and accused them of war crimes.
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Speaker 11: This is an organization that, much like that fellow travelers
33:05
Speaker 11: in the far left, oppose democracy and sided with autocratic,
33:09
Speaker 11: tyrannical regimes wherever they can, so whatever they say, usually
33:13
Speaker 11: the opposite is the truth.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has said what so many of us are
33:18
Speaker 2: thinking when it comes to Labour's stance on Israel. Have
33:21
Speaker 2: listened to his comments today and.
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Speaker 9: You've got the Prime Minister who's been the leader of
33:25
Speaker 9: the left in the Labor Party for twenty or thirty years.
33:29
Speaker 9: So in a sense you shouldn't be surprised by the position.
33:31
Speaker 9: But the government went into the last election saying that
33:34
Speaker 9: there would be a bipartisan position in relation to Israel.
33:37
Speaker 9: And it's not just about the Jewish community, not just
33:39
Speaker 9: about Israel. It's about civilization itself, and it's about the
33:42
Speaker 9: values that we have as Western, as Westerners and as
33:47
Speaker 9: a culture that's worth protecting and defending.
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Speaker 2: Alex just in the time we've got left, talk to
33:53
Speaker 2: me about that last comment by Peter Dutton. We all
33:56
Speaker 2: know that this Labor government has betrayed our alliance with
33:59
Speaker 2: is Israel and Australian Jews. But Peter Dutton says that
34:03
Speaker 2: this is not just about looking after Israel. This fight
34:06
Speaker 2: is about Western civilization. Just quickly, what does he mean
34:10
Speaker 2: by that.
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Speaker 11: Well, he means that Israel is a democracy similar to
34:16
Speaker 11: ours in terms of the form of government, the pluralism
34:18
Speaker 11: of the society, the rights for women, LGBT people. It
34:23
Speaker 11: stands up for basic Western Judeo Christian values for basic
34:28
Speaker 11: humanity in the post Enlightenment era. The enemies of Israel,
34:32
Speaker 11: the organizations and states that wish to destroy it, are
34:35
Speaker 11: the very enemies that we're fighting here in this country
34:37
Speaker 11: as well, that have fought all over the Western world.
34:39
Speaker 11: The Uranian regime prescribed terror organizations like hazblan Hamas. They
34:44
Speaker 11: hate Israel not because of what it does, but because
34:46
Speaker 11: of what it is, which is a Jewish state and
34:48
Speaker 11: what they view as the Islamic world. So when Israel fights,
34:52
Speaker 11: it's fighting not only for its own sake, but it's
34:55
Speaker 11: fighting for the values of the West, including in this country.
34:58
Speaker 11: And that's why when Labour takes these positions hostile to
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Speaker 11: the Jewish community in Israel, it is betraying not only
35:04
Speaker 11: certain constituencies and certain segments of the community, it has
35:08
Speaker 11: betraying the very values of this country.
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Speaker 2: Alex Ribchun, it's always a delight to speak with you,
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Speaker 2: and I appreciate you taking the time out tonight. We'll
35:16
Speaker 2: stick around because coming up fresh drama for former Victorian
35:19
Speaker 2: Premier Daniel Andrews. I'll let you know where he's no
35:23
Speaker 2: longer welcome. And consumers face another energy price hike, but
35:28
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has outlined his plan for wind farms if elected.
35:31
Speaker 2: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back. Plenty
35:37
Speaker 2: more headlines to get across tonight, so let's jump straight
35:40
Speaker 2: into it with my panel, Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and
35:43
Speaker 2: Sky News commentator Jason Morrison. Welcome to you both now.
35:46
Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the show, the
35:48
Speaker 2: renewables debate has well and truly fired up again. Unlike
35:52
Speaker 2: our energy grid, Peter Dutton promised to scrap the controversial
35:56
Speaker 2: Port Stephens offshore wind zone if elected. That comes as
36:00
Speaker 2: residential gas customers are staring down the barrel of price
36:05
Speaker 2: increases of around two hundred and ninety five dollars, which
36:08
Speaker 2: reminds me of a figure, wasn't it two hundred and
36:10
Speaker 2: seventy five dollars we were promised to our electricity bills
36:13
Speaker 2: would go down by Holly, want to start with you.
36:16
Speaker 2: It's just insane that a gas rich country like Australia
36:20
Speaker 2: is going to have to import more gas while moving
36:22
Speaker 2: forward with these renewal projects that aren't even going to
36:26
Speaker 2: provide the reliable power we need to live and make things.
36:32
Speaker 2: None of this makes any sense at all. Can you
36:35
Speaker 2: make sense of it?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely not, and I don't think anybody can. I mean,
36:39
Speaker 12: this country is literally floating on gas, yet somehow or other,
36:45
Speaker 12: we're now having to import it. And to be honest,
36:48
Speaker 12: every other windshare program other than port steam ins, as
36:53
Speaker 12: far as I can tell around the country has already
36:56
Speaker 12: been canceled by the developers those offshore in short programs
37:01
Speaker 12: because they're not financially viable. So I would put that
37:05
Speaker 12: there are minutes, if not days, until someone imports Stevens
37:10
Speaker 12: in that project actually pulls the pin.
37:13
Speaker 13: I feel the labor members.
37:15
Speaker 12: Up there who don't support it yet they're being bombarded
37:18
Speaker 12: by Chris Bowen and his renewable only Chrisade. If you
37:22
Speaker 12: look at down Coley and Merrills, Wanson, none of them
37:26
Speaker 12: are renewable zealous, yet due to labor carcus rules, start
37:31
Speaker 12: being bombarded by Chris Bowen. I mean, it is just
37:34
Speaker 12: insanity on steroids. But there isn't a person in this
37:39
Speaker 12: country who thinks that the renewable only approach that the
37:43
Speaker 12: Bowen and I'm going to say the Bowlin government because
37:46
Speaker 12: alban Easy seems to have no leadership at the moment
37:49
Speaker 12: when it comes to the energy.
37:50
Speaker 13: Space, it's the Bowen government.
37:52
Speaker 12: And you know when Casanova Bowen's in charge, we know
37:55
Speaker 12: we're all in trouble.
37:57
Speaker 2: Do you. I thought things were rugged, but when you
38:00
Speaker 2: start talking about the Bowen government, Ge, you really make
38:02
Speaker 2: me scared.
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Speaker 13: Holly, you might not sleep to night.
38:06
Speaker 2: Exactly, Jason. The fact is many of the people who
38:09
Speaker 2: live in these areas where these offshore wind farms are
38:12
Speaker 2: going to be, they don't want them either, So why
38:15
Speaker 2: are labor forcing this on people who don't want them?
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Speaker 4: It's extraordinary that the proposal is for these to sit
38:21
Speaker 4: off the coast of the Hunter in Australia's second most
38:25
Speaker 4: richest coal environment. It's like an insult to injury kind
38:29
Speaker 4: of situation, and that is the only way you can
38:32
Speaker 4: look at it that. I think a lot of people
38:34
Speaker 4: have figured out now that a lot of this is
38:36
Speaker 4: not really about the environment. Hasn't been for a long time.
38:38
Speaker 4: It's been about forcing change, social change. Well, can you
38:41
Speaker 4: think of a bigger one than that than shutting down
38:43
Speaker 4: the industry that sustains this region and giving them the
38:47
Speaker 4: big two fingers salute the great up yours off the
38:50
Speaker 4: coast with the wind farms and they're doing this and
38:52
Speaker 4: it is almost like this as the sort of sickness
38:54
Speaker 4: in Bowen's head that started to be poured out in policy.
38:57
Speaker 4: But what we're seeing here is something that it won't
39:00
Speaker 4: provide the baseload. The Hunter provides the baseload Queensland. Thank
39:04
Speaker 4: god for Queensland. Queenslanders, thank you for being generous with
39:07
Speaker 4: your energy, because New South Wales would have none tonight.
39:09
Speaker 4: We rely on you every night to keep the lights
39:11
Speaker 4: on because dim wits like Bowen and Matt Kean before
39:15
Speaker 4: have progressively shut down a very reliable industry in coal
39:20
Speaker 4: in the Hunt of Alley. It's our advantage and we're
39:23
Speaker 4: destroying it. And we're destroying it for what reason?
39:27
Speaker 10: Really?
39:27
Speaker 2: What reason?
39:28
Speaker 4: No one can come up with the answer. We say
39:30
Speaker 4: that the environment.
39:30
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to give me an answer
39:33
Speaker 2: out of course, there's no answer that question, is there?
39:36
Speaker 2: I want to.
39:38
Speaker 13: There is an answer to that question.
39:39
Speaker 12: The people that aren't benefiting are the people who were
39:42
Speaker 12: convinced to invest in renewable energy, and they're about the
39:47
Speaker 12: only Australians and unfortunately a lot of offshore investment. They're
39:51
Speaker 12: the only ones doing well at the moment. Are theoise
39:54
Speaker 12: that have continued to invest in this renewable pipe drain,
39:59
Speaker 12: and it's every day Australians that are being forced to
40:02
Speaker 12: pay for it.
40:03
Speaker 13: And even those Australians are brought into.
40:05
Speaker 12: Solar panels on their roof are now going to have
40:08
Speaker 12: to pay for excess energy that they're putting into the
40:11
Speaker 12: greed during the day.
40:12
Speaker 13: So you know, everyone other than most.
40:15
Speaker 12: Big renewable energy investors are going to be forced to
40:18
Speaker 12: pay for this.
40:19
Speaker 2: You make a really good point, Holly. I want to
40:22
Speaker 2: transition from wind power and renewed to US if I
40:27
Speaker 2: can to golf, of all things. Two governing bodies, the
40:31
Speaker 2: Ladies Professional Golf Association and the US Golf Association, have
40:35
Speaker 2: updated their guidelines so that men identifying as women need
40:39
Speaker 2: to have transitioned before they hit puberty in order to
40:42
Speaker 2: be eligible to compete in women's events. Now, I've got
40:45
Speaker 2: to be honest, I don't understand this. Does that mean
40:47
Speaker 2: a man is a woman if he transitions before puberty,
40:50
Speaker 2: but he's not a woman if he transitions after puberty.
40:53
Speaker 2: That would mean gender is a fixed biological reality with
40:56
Speaker 2: puberty rather than chromosomes as the rule. Right, If we
40:59
Speaker 2: have a.
40:59
Speaker 4: Whiteboard for a second, I've lost this already, well.
41:02
Speaker 2: I mean most of them. It was so hard to
41:03
Speaker 2: understand wholly this idea of measuring testosterone levels so that
41:08
Speaker 2: we're fair to women but still accepting of men who
41:10
Speaker 2: want to be women. It's just a cowards way of
41:13
Speaker 2: avoiding the obvious, which is banning biological men of any
41:16
Speaker 2: description from women's sport, full stop.
41:19
Speaker 13: Isn't it.
41:20
Speaker 12: It's part of the total obliteration of women in all
41:24
Speaker 12: their capabilities and special things that make us women.
41:30
Speaker 13: They're all trying to be overridden.
41:32
Speaker 12: But the reality is women do not biologically carry the
41:36
Speaker 12: same sorts of physical strength as men do. Even the
41:39
Speaker 12: most unfit men do not are stronger in many ways
41:46
Speaker 12: than very many many fit women. It's just biological. But
41:51
Speaker 12: this is the thing. I'm not personally a supporter of
41:54
Speaker 12: puberty blockers to children preating.
41:57
Speaker 13: I think it's a very, very dangerous route to go down.
42:01
Speaker 12: Yet these sports are now saying they will only allow
42:04
Speaker 12: people to participate if they started their transition pre puberty,
42:08
Speaker 12: which is long before eighteen. But look, just as an aside,
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Speaker 12: I played in the Commando Cup the other day tennis.
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Speaker 12: Darren Chester was my partner. We were playing a couple
42:20
Speaker 12: of comadoes in mixed double. In tennis, we played golf, tennis, sevens,
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Speaker 12: and rugby, touch and rugby. Sorry, and no one thought
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Speaker 12: the greatest injury of the day would come from tennis,
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Speaker 12: thank you very much, with a full body slam on
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Speaker 12: the court that had nothing to do with men versus women,
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Speaker 12: but just blind competitiveness.
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Speaker 13: But you know this is the insanity of it.
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Speaker 12: I know I will never pay a sport at the
42:48
Speaker 12: same physical stream of a male and to try and
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Speaker 12: put them up against us at any stage is just
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Speaker 12: an insult and part of the eraser of women.
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Speaker 2: Holly, you alluded to something really important that I wanted
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Speaker 2: to ask you about. Jason, this ruling by the golf associations,
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Speaker 2: doesn't it just almost risk encouraging people to transition younger,
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Speaker 2: which of course has all sorts of problems associated.
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Speaker 4: Well, only if a six society doesn't wake up to
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Speaker 4: itself and realize that there's probably a better way to
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Speaker 4: handle this, and that is to kind of encourage kids
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Speaker 4: to give it a few more years to think about.
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Speaker 2: Look, I know what you're saying.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a byproduct of a decision that is
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Speaker 4: part of a much bigger madness that's going on in society.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the straight out thing here is that we
43:40
Speaker 4: fell off the rails here when we thought it was
43:41
Speaker 4: a wise thing to start encouraging and pushing children to it,
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Speaker 4: when we start empowering school counselors to be able to
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Speaker 4: work around parents and encourage children to explore these things
43:51
Speaker 4: as opposed to doing what society is kind of always
43:54
Speaker 4: quite well done, and that is try to sort things
43:56
Speaker 4: out inside families until they can't be sorted out. The
43:59
Speaker 4: moment you start taking and families out of the equation
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Speaker 4: and traditional arrangements out of the equation, you end up
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Speaker 4: in chaos.
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Speaker 2: We are in chaos with.
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Speaker 4: This sort of thinking and the fact that we even
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Speaker 4: have to be worried about the byproduct of doing something
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Speaker 4: that's so damn logical letting little girls play against little
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Speaker 4: girls and girls and women being able to play against women,
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Speaker 4: and just know that's how it works.
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Speaker 2: The moment you.
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Speaker 4: Start screwing that thing up, you've really messed things up.
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Speaker 4: And we are so close to that. And this is
44:24
Speaker 4: a little bit of common sense, logical stuff that's going on. Now.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, hey, quickly, just in the toime we've
44:28
Speaker 2: got left in Victoria, the state's most despised premier. Dan
44:32
Speaker 2: Andrews has been blacklisted from another pub. It's not the
44:36
Speaker 2: first time. It's also been blacklisted from golf courses and
44:39
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. Holly. I know a lot
44:42
Speaker 2: of people don't like Dan Andrews, but is this good
44:45
Speaker 2: that we start blacklisting politicians who we didn't agree with
44:49
Speaker 2: from general places in the community or do you think
44:52
Speaker 2: it's fair enough?
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Speaker 10: Night?
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Speaker 13: Look, aren't they building a statue to him? I thought
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Speaker 13: Dan was getting a statue. I don't know. I thought
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Speaker 13: it was all about iconography.
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Speaker 12: And you know, there's a golden statue of Dan Andrews
45:04
Speaker 12: about to appear somewhere in Melbourne. Melbourne is a shadow
45:08
Speaker 12: of former self and it actually breaks my heart. I
45:10
Speaker 12: used to love going down to Melbourne, the lame ways,
45:13
Speaker 12: the activity, the things that were going on down there.
45:17
Speaker 12: It's died, and it died under Dan Andrews. But I'm
45:21
Speaker 12: not a big fan of the band. It's not the
45:24
Speaker 12: way that I would normally go, but I think it
45:28
Speaker 12: is well within rights of businesses. He did everything he
45:32
Speaker 12: fundamentally could kill them off during COVID and he's unprecedented,
45:38
Speaker 12: world shattering, record shattering lockdowns. If they don't want him
45:43
Speaker 12: in there, whatever, you know, stand up, he might catch
45:48
Speaker 12: a freaking.
45:48
Speaker 13: Cold or something.
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Speaker 2: That's the argument that they're using. That he destroyed business,
45:54
Speaker 2: so why should he dine at their business.
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Speaker 4: I want the statue so that the pigeons can do
46:00
Speaker 4: what Australia is wanted to do to him for a while, Jason, We've.
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Speaker 2: Got to move on. I appreciate you joining me. Coming up,
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Speaker 2: Sleepy Joe lives up to his name as he meets
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Speaker 2: with leaders in Africa, and Donald Trump's pick for Defense
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Speaker 2: Secretary Advice to fight for vows to fight like hell
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Speaker 2: to keep the job. As former Trump rival becomes favorite
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Speaker 2: for the role. Kosher Garda joins me in just a moment,
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Speaker 2: welcome back. Well. Last week, President Joe Biden pardoned his
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Speaker 2: son Hunter Biden, who was facing jail time for gun
46:30
Speaker 2: and tax convictions. But not only that, the pardon applied
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Speaker 2: to any and all laws Hunter might have broken over
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Speaker 2: the past ten years. And he did this after repeatedly
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Speaker 2: promising that he wouldn't. No one of the Democrats, like
46:43
Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer, don't want to talk about it.
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Speaker 5: Question, Yes, do you agree with some.
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Speaker 12: Of your Democratic college that President Biden's part of an hunter.
46:53
Speaker 5: Biden is wrong or unwise. That's personal interest ahead of duty.
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Speaker 2: I got nothing for you on that. Well, of course
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Speaker 2: he doesn't want to say anything. It's impossible to defend
47:03
Speaker 2: the indefensible. Democrats were left to deal with the mess
47:06
Speaker 2: after Joe Biden issued the pardon and then fled the country.
47:10
Speaker 2: While awkward questions were being asked at home, Biden was
47:13
Speaker 2: end Goola meeting with African leaders and well, they don't
47:17
Speaker 2: call him sleepy Joe for nothing.
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Speaker 14: And it just through such untmas shoes and innovations that
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Speaker 14: Africa's agenda twenty six to three will be realized. I
47:30
Speaker 14: think mentor people, all services. But we're also from Lord
47:35
Speaker 14: shared the prosperity and imclusive growth across.
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Speaker 13: The em.
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Speaker 2: What does it say about Joe Biden's usefulness that no
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Speaker 2: one bothered to wake him up. Let's bring in Sky
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Speaker 2: News contributor Kosher Garda Kosher. I know it must have
47:49
Speaker 2: been boring, but it couldn't have been that boring.
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Speaker 7: He is bringing new life jeans into that moniker sleepy
47:59
Speaker 7: Joe which Trump came up with. It's really interesting they're
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Speaker 7: forty seven days left.
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Speaker 2: He still does.
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Speaker 7: Hold the most powerful office in the land. On the
48:07
Speaker 7: one hand, it looks like he's just phoning it in,
48:10
Speaker 7: you know, hanging out at the beach, falling asleep and
48:12
Speaker 7: some tour in Africa at the last minute. On the
48:14
Speaker 7: other hand, he's actually wasting no time and seems to
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Speaker 7: be using every last minute of his remaining forty seven
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Speaker 7: days with the pardon. As you mentioned, there's talks of
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Speaker 7: other preemptive pardons he might be doing. He's still pushing
48:25
Speaker 7: all sorts of aid packages to Ukraine and other hotspots
48:28
Speaker 7: that go against certainly the vision Trump is proposed. He's
48:31
Speaker 7: still nominating judges and getting them confirmed, working with the Senate.
48:34
Speaker 7: So there's a lot whether it's he or his handlers
48:36
Speaker 7: that are actually pushing through in.
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Speaker 13: The day's remaining.
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Speaker 7: But on the surface, at the same time you see
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Speaker 7: this juxta position, which is quite interesting.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Kocher, I can't imagine he's pushing anything through
48:45
Speaker 2: at the moment. It must be his handlers. But you
48:47
Speaker 2: mentioned he's considering more pardons now. Politico has reported that
48:52
Speaker 2: they are considering issuing preemptive pardons to key figures like
48:56
Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, Adam shift so that Trump can't
49:01
Speaker 2: come after them, since when we're preemptive pardons a thing
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Speaker 2: I've never heard of that until just now, have you.
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Speaker 7: No, you know, this is a boomerang effect of the
49:14
Speaker 7: law fare and now that infamous term that the Democrat
49:17
Speaker 7: apparatus really waged against Trump and his supporters. And we
49:20
Speaker 7: all know this, the ninety one counts and the felony
49:23
Speaker 7: counts and the four cases and the multiple indictments and
49:26
Speaker 7: all the rest of it taking him off the ballot
49:27
Speaker 7: and everything else. His associates having sort of prison sentences
49:30
Speaker 7: for misdemeanors and all of that. They are concerned. And
49:33
Speaker 7: when you push the across the rubicon or push the
49:37
Speaker 7: overturn window that much the way they did, there will
49:40
Speaker 7: be turnabout that is fair play. And they are very
49:42
Speaker 7: worried that this new Trump and the second term is
49:45
Speaker 7: going to be a different man because of what he
49:47
Speaker 7: has been through, and he might go after prosecutions for
49:51
Speaker 7: people who did commit crimes were in the past, and
49:54
Speaker 7: they did, and whether it was Hillary Clinton or other
49:56
Speaker 7: people in the past. And I think this is now
49:59
Speaker 7: the land that we live where the criminal justice system.
50:01
Speaker 7: Has this really been exploited so much? And these are
50:03
Speaker 7: just all the downstream effects of it. They fear turn
50:06
Speaker 7: about and therefore these preemptive pardons you might be a
50:08
Speaker 7: new thing.
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Speaker 2: You Well, I would have thought a preemptive pardon is
50:12
Speaker 2: pretty much an admission of guilt, So it'll be very
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Speaker 2: interesting to see how all that plays out. Kosher Garden.
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Speaker 2: That's all I've got time for tonight, but thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining me. Stick around. Coming up right now from the
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Speaker 2: man Cave is the one and only Paul Murray