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A Super-Shot, Super Guest. Summer Series wraps with the one and only Jo Harten. · No Dribble

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the No Dribble Summer Series. We're not actually
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: here because we're having a well earned not that well earned,
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  Speaker 1: but a break. Anyway. Where are you cat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I've got butt sweat at the moment it's hot.
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  Speaker 1: I think I need a cocktail it is. Where's my
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  Speaker 1: poor boy?
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  Speaker 2: Lizzie?
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  Speaker 1: You're off somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you? I'm sorry, justin Tazzi drinking so much
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  Speaker 2: local whiskey that'll probably see a Tasmanian tiger and forget
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  Speaker 2: what I'm about to say. This is the No Dribble
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  Speaker 2: Summer Series.
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  Speaker 1: Enjoy, guys, Hello and welcome to the No Dribble Summer Series.
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  Speaker 1: When I say welcome, we're of course not here. We
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  Speaker 1: recorded this ages ago. We are still off on holidays,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact someone is still on holidays. That is Catherine.
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  Speaker 1: She is on a plane at the moment, joining us
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  Speaker 1: from well not joining us, in fact, on her way
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  Speaker 1: back from Queensland. So I'm here, Alen Swindell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm lez Ellis there?
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  Speaker 1: We go? Two out of three? Ain't bad? That meat
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  Speaker 1: loaf might have been onto something there. And we have
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  Speaker 1: a very exciting guest today, So we're going to go
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  Speaker 1: through our usual routine. I'm going to not get Catherine
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  Speaker 1: to guess. I'm going to get Liz to guess who
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  Speaker 1: our very special guest is today. And yeah, this is
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  Speaker 1: a special guest for us. And here's another clue. We
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  Speaker 1: find we have someone balancing out the court for us
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  Speaker 1: today in Catherine's absence. So here we go. I will
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  Speaker 1: tell you that our special guest has postnominals of both
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  Speaker 1: the Academic and the Honorific variety.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, so she's smart or she's probably a defender.
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  Speaker 1: Then well I did say we're balancing the court though, so.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I'm not as smart as I like to think
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  Speaker 2: I am.
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  Speaker 1: Then all right, let me give you give you something else.
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  Speaker 1: This person is a multiple Commonwealth Games medallist and medals
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  Speaker 1: of different colors too.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you, Okay, well that doesn't really narrow it down.
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  Speaker 2: There's probably two or three countries you could play for.
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  Speaker 2: So she's Australian, she's from New Zealand, she's from England,
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  Speaker 2: either one of those three.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, and this one, here's a bit of
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  Speaker 1: lateral thinking, Liz, If you get this this, this our
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  Speaker 1: guest has played grand finals for the Mavericks, the Lightning
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  Speaker 1: and the Giants. Hmm, Mavericks Carol, and that's weird. Have
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  Speaker 1: the map been in the sun Corps Superneckball Grand Final?
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  Speaker 2: No Oh, you're confusioning me.
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  Speaker 1: I am confusioning you. You're probably thinking about Australian teams,
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  Speaker 1: but some of those teams might be from overseas for
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  Speaker 1: England in two thousand and seven.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so she's English and she's she's one of Catherine's mates.
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  Speaker 2: So she's at the other end of the course, played
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  Speaker 2: for Lightning and MAVs and Giants. I'm going to say
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  Speaker 2: the Giants of the Australian team. Okay, I'm starting to
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  Speaker 2: form picture.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's the Galleria Mavericks and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: Loftbra Lightning. But I'm going to get a pronunciation check
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  Speaker 1: on that. When we reveal our amazing secret gits, here's
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  Speaker 1: the one that never makes any difference whatsoever. I think
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  Speaker 1: our guest is an Aries.
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  Speaker 2: Is that an April birthday?
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  Speaker 1: March?
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  Speaker 2: I believe March. Okay, yep, yep, okay, that makes it right.
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  Speaker 1: There's two final pieces of information I want to tell
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  Speaker 1: you about this person. One will immediately tell you who
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  Speaker 1: it is, and the other one will also immediately tell
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  Speaker 1: you who it is, but is just super fun. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the first one, and then
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  Speaker 1: you can sit silently while want to. This person played
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  Speaker 1: her final game of Sun Cops Supernetball and slotted a
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  Speaker 1: two pointer in the last seconds of her final game,
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  Speaker 1: and we all nearly wet our pants with excitement and
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  Speaker 1: post retirement, this person's drink of choice is Bollinger champagne.
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  Speaker 2: That confirms that she has excellent taste despite being a
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  Speaker 2: goal she despite being English. Our guest is.
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  Speaker 1: Jotan guest is Joe Harton. How exciting.
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  Speaker 2: But you just did say, Carolyn that it was Bollinger.
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  Speaker 2: Post retirement, Joe, welcome to you is what was the drink?
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  Speaker 2: Pre retirement? Power aid of course, Oh of course, no
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  Speaker 2: one believes that for a second. Welcome to the pod. Thanks,
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  Speaker 2: thanks guys, thanks for having me. How's retirement treating you.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty good so far. Looking after a small baby,
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  Speaker 3: most of my days, not doing pre season, not sweating
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  Speaker 3: in a gym, it's been pretty good.
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  Speaker 2: How was your This will tell me whether you were
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  Speaker 2: ready to retire when you saw your teammates go back
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  Speaker 2: into pre season. What was your reaction.
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  Speaker 3: I literally see some of the photos on social media
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  Speaker 3: and I just like, I just scroll on by. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I do not have to get involved in the sweatbox.
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  Speaker 3: I don't have to push any weights. I don't have
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  Speaker 3: to turn up at seven am and be enthusiastic. It's
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  Speaker 3: just amazing.
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  Speaker 2: You were ready for retirement then, so ready tell us
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  Speaker 2: about your little girl. Yeah, a little girl, little Eddie
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  Speaker 2: Eddie James harton eight months old, keeping us on our
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  Speaker 2: toes very much, so, learning all about the world and
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  Speaker 2: of course not sleeping an awful lot. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: been an interesting eight months, but where we're just kind of, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: toughed with how she's developing. Yeah, is she walking yet?
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  Speaker 2: Not walking?
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  Speaker 3: She's trying to crawl and trying to move. She's at
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  Speaker 3: that kind of stage and phase. So we're just edging
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  Speaker 3: her closely along, putting the TV control in front of
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  Speaker 3: her to give us some motivation.
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  Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, funny, you know you spend all
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  Speaker 2: this time trying to get your kids to talk and walk,
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  Speaker 2: and then when they start, you're like, oh, just be
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  Speaker 2: quiet and sit down.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the next stage we're scared of, of course, running
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  Speaker 3: out to the kitchen and she's actually going to follow
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  Speaker 3: us through, So.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, far up. Do you think you could have
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  Speaker 2: played like because you've been playing at a high level
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  Speaker 2: when she was at this age, or would have been
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  Speaker 2: really difficult in terms of your sleep deprivation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she was actually born on three days before the
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  Speaker 3: start of my last season, so I guess I kind
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  Speaker 3: of navigated that season through sleep deprivation. But I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of when I see those mum's return
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  Speaker 3: to the court year after year, I'm like, how are
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  Speaker 3: you doing it? Like, you're seriously impressive. I obviously didn't
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  Speaker 3: give birth, my partner did, so throw that into the
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  Speaker 3: mix of your body as well. It's i mean just
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  Speaker 3: in awe, absolute awe of those that return to professional sport. Well, actually,
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  Speaker 3: I'm in a review, like playing a whole season with
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  Speaker 3: a newborn in your household, that's super impressive. Did you
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  Speaker 3: have to change up any of your routine or anything
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  Speaker 3: that you did to make sure you've got enough rest?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the routine went out the window. I guess.
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  Speaker 3: My routine went out and then baby's routine came in.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think we tried to be smart around
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  Speaker 3: game days and then in the week we just you know,
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  Speaker 3: you just have to make it work, have to wing
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  Speaker 3: it as best you can. And I guess there's something
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  Speaker 3: different when you're playing as a parent. You can play
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  Speaker 3: on that kind of love hormone, I guess. So that's
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  Speaker 3: pretty much how I got through. Puts it all into perspective,
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  Speaker 3: doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: When you've got kids, you're like, might need to be
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  Speaker 2: as selfish an individual as I used to be as
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  Speaker 2: an athlete. Absolutely so. Joe, in retirement, we saw the
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  Speaker 2: first big and now so you had signed on to
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  Speaker 2: work with the Swifts. Oh yeah, yeah. What was that
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  Speaker 2: like when you got the call from Briani?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's been a while, whind, I
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  Speaker 3: guess jumping across to the cross town rivals, the Swifts,
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know. When I spoke to Briani and
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity almost presented itself to be, you know, the
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  Speaker 3: shooting specialists coach at the Swifts, it was just excited me.
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  Speaker 3: I was obviously a Giants player for eight nine years,
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  Speaker 3: loved my time in the Orange playing, but I feel
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  Speaker 3: like coaching is a whole different beast, and I want
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  Speaker 3: to learn from the best. I want to be in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, environments that I can really challenge me. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: when I spoke to Brian on the phone, super impressed
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  Speaker 3: with how she comes across as a person, not just
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  Speaker 3: as a coach, and yeah, really excited to learn from her.
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  Speaker 1: Can I ask a question about this and I'll just
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  Speaker 1: give you a bit of context here. My under elevens
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  Speaker 1: didn't win a game this season, and it was because
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  Speaker 1: of our shooting. And I don't know how to coach
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  Speaker 1: shooting because I'm five foot two. I've never been in
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  Speaker 1: a goal circle like here. It's quite lovely in there.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, don't know anything about it. How do
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  Speaker 1: you coach a shooter? How do you coach a shooter
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  Speaker 1: like Grace workI or Helen Howsby, Like I think, like, I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't know how to coach Grace Worky yet. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: formally had the opportunity yet. But my philosophy as a
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  Speaker 3: shooting coach is do everything that you might experience in
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  Speaker 3: a game in a match, do that in training. So
• 8:34
  Speaker 3: simple things like making sure you're putting up the right
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  Speaker 3: number of shots that you would in a game with
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  Speaker 3: the right amount of pressure on them. I'm slightly unorthodox
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  Speaker 3: I've played kind of on orthodox netble throughout my career,
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  Speaker 3: so I like to throw different challenges at shooters. At
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  Speaker 3: any moment, I'll just say this is the last shot
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  Speaker 3: at the session. If you score it, we'll carry on.
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  Speaker 3: If you miss, the sessions done, and I like just
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  Speaker 3: put little points of pressure on the shooters, you know,
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  Speaker 3: try and make it as not as boring as sounding
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  Speaker 3: under the post and just shooting two hundred?
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  Speaker 1: How many? Like when you were playing cast your Mind
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  Speaker 1: back four months, five months, six months, however on weround,
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  Speaker 1: how many goals did you practice shooting a day? What
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  Speaker 1: was an average day for you?
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  Speaker 3: I always just say, like a thousand a week was
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  Speaker 3: a good marker for me. You have like three or
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  Speaker 3: four court sessions where you'd rack up probably like five
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  Speaker 3: hundred in the actual session where you're just going through
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  Speaker 3: center pass structure or just drills. And then there's always
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  Speaker 3: time alone at the post where I like to really
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  Speaker 3: try and internalize a few things that I might have
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  Speaker 3: got wrong the week before, or you know, like imagine
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  Speaker 3: a big horrible defender in front of me and just
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  Speaker 3: kind of Liz, you know, like Liz, Yeah, she's March.
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  Speaker 3: We once rejected me three times in ten minutes. That's
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  Speaker 3: not great.
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  Speaker 2: Then well you were you were like seventeen and I
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: was thirty four. That was when I knew it was
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  Speaker 2: time to retire because I played was playing against his
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  Speaker 2: kid who was half my age, or a tour over
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  Speaker 2: in England. Yeah, good like first first cat ring the
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: name who you playing? The Australian legend Lise Alis have it?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Baptism of Fire.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, we've chopped in the past on the pot about
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  Speaker 1: a time when Catherine had the yips, when she just
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: lost her shooting moji. Did that ever happen to you?
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I've ever like lost my mojo.
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  Speaker 3: I think there was a stage there when I was
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: kind of going from goal shooter predominantly to then playing
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: out a goal attack and two kind of different roles,
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  Speaker 3: you know, a lot more running and movement a goal
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  Speaker 3: attack and almost like forgot to shoot, you know, I
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: forgot to have that as as probably one.
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  Speaker 1: Want to think about with your lip bloss and your
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: hair and things as a goal attack, aren't they Like
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  Speaker 1: you just got different priorities.
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  Speaker 3: Especially me, like I always playing a full face of makeup,
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  Speaker 3: and it really was a different art forment goal attack totally. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: can I ask then when you like when the super
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: shot came in. You're always one of the most entertaining
• 11:14
  Speaker 3: players to watch, right because you're always really thinking about
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: how do you utilize the time, how do you utilize
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  Speaker 3: the opportunity for the super shot? So I loved watching
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  Speaker 3: you play that that came in. Obviously in the back
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  Speaker 3: end of your career. Did that whole challenge of working
• 11:28
  Speaker 3: out the different tactical aspects.
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  Speaker 2: Did that add to your longevity or give you a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a lift in the back end of your
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  Speaker 2: career having something really different come into the game.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think it improved my stocks without me really
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  Speaker 3: knowing it, Like all of a sudden, I was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: shooting these like long range ones, and then now they're
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  Speaker 3: worth two points in the back end of every quarter,
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: you know, I kind of fainlessly said when it first
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: came in, like, I don't like this rule because I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it should be like a spectacle where I
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: feel like shooters should be able to shoot from everywhere
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  Speaker 3: in the circle. And now we're kind of making a
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  Speaker 3: big thing. But I think towards the end of my
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  Speaker 3: career I fell in love with a two point a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, not because of my attempts at it, but
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  Speaker 3: also seeing the young kids around me actually be brave, and.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't just about two point shot.
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  Speaker 3: It was about them having the capability to take it
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  Speaker 3: on for the team, knowing if you miss, it's going
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  Speaker 3: down the other end, and their scoring and yeah, I
• 12:19
  Speaker 3: think towards the end of the creer it definitely kind
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  Speaker 3: of rung true that it was a great thing for us.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: Bought as a fan. I love the difference when I
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: watch Test netball that we don't have it for me.
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  Speaker 1: It gives a great variety in what I'm watching on court,
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  Speaker 1: which is really nice. We can't just rely on that.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to peg this back one by one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, like international netball, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure I want to see introduced there because I feel
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: like the matches are few and far between. You might
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: have seven or eight tests a year, and I feel like,
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: you know, if you're the team that's prepared the best,
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  Speaker 3: is the most skillful in the day, I don't think
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  Speaker 3: there should be an opportunity to claw it back just
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  Speaker 3: at the hand of a long range shooter. With that
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  Speaker 3: being said, I also want that well to be as
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  Speaker 3: exciting as possible, and I know it adds that extra
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  Speaker 3: flavor for the fan, So it's a healthy balance.
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  Speaker 1: I think.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it In terms of your coaching.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously you're taking on this specialist role with the Swifts,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, you're a pretty accomplished person outside of netball.
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  Speaker 2: You've got, you know, university degree in the.
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  Speaker 1: BA in international relations, and I believe a graduate certificate underway.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right, Joe?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So what do your do you see yourself sort
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: of continuing with coaching, do you see yourself doing something else,
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  Speaker 2: staying in the game, what's your What's what's the long
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  Speaker 2: term plans for Joe Harten?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think the reason I undertook the grads and
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: I just finished it this year in sport management and
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  Speaker 3: business is because I want to stay in elite sport
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  Speaker 3: and I'm super passionate about netball and I want to
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  Speaker 3: use any skills that I have. I want to pass
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  Speaker 3: them forward wherever that be in a coaching role, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the future as a full time gig. I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 3: but I know my heart lies in the sport, you know,
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: for my seedents. I can't just get rid of it
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  Speaker 3: after playing. I'm still heavily involved. And yeah, I think
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  Speaker 3: I've been lucky enough to have been afforded a few
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  Speaker 3: months after retiring to actually just explore and I want
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  Speaker 3: to do so. I'm starting small with the shooting specialists
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  Speaker 3: roll at the Swifts, and hopefully I'll build that up
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  Speaker 3: into something more permanent within the sport and the business
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  Speaker 3: side of the sport in the months to come.
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  Speaker 1: As a member of both the Swifts and the Giants.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Really disappointed that the Giants weren't pursuing you more aggressively.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what the backstory is, but when I
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: heard you were going to the Swifts, I was like ooh,
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: and then I thought, ah, hang on why. I think
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: the Giants should never have let an opportunity pass. But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: as very excited as a swiftspan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, look it is.
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  Speaker 3: I've had a few like hairy comments like why are
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: you not loyal to the Giants, and I guess my
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: simple answer is that I'm a competitive beast, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I want to I want to grow my game.
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  Speaker 3: I want want to be the best coach I can be,
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: and I also chased opportunity where it lies, and that
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  Speaker 3: was with the Swifts. And yeah, I'm super grateful to
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: now be wearing the red and yeah, super grateful that
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  Speaker 3: they've opened I guess the door to me to let
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  Speaker 3: me into their environment because you know, it's a really
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  Speaker 3: special environment.
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  Speaker 2: So exciting, Joe.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Keep you in Australia now, are where is your Is
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: the Australia home or are you still kind of lost
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: between two shores? Was that a Neil Diamond? Quite? I
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: think Liz.
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  Speaker 2: Whre's Neil Diamond. I'm way too young for that. Oh
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: make chl Harten will have to wrap it up right here,
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  Speaker 2: right now. I'm sorry.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: Australia is definitely home now. Obviously born and bred in
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: the UK and I am English. You know I'm still
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: cheering on the England boys and the Ashes.
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  Speaker 2: What a shame for you? I know it makes it interesting.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: One. I was born in New Zealand and I'm a
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Wallabies fan. When I have a choice, I could be
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: an All Backs fan. It's like it's just you know,
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  Speaker 1: you just it's got to go where your heart tells
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you you are right. You can't just suddenly go. I'm
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: now changing teams.
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: So yeah, unless you know it's a World Cup environment
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: like rugby and you're in the country and things are
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: starting to bubble the right way for one one team,
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: then I could switch allegiances.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Are you mother of an Australian?
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: I believe I've married an Australian. I've now got an
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Australian daughter. Yeah, I'm an Australian resident, So you know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Come on in.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: It's only a matter of time.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Joe.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: When you first did you come? You came from the
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: English Super League into Super Netball? You didn't? Or do
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: you come by way of New Zealand? I can't remember
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: New Zealand?
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: So five years over there to in christ Church it's
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: my first kind of two in A and Z and
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: then three under Jewels Fitzgerald at the Magic and then
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: she brought me over here.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: So when she came and took up the head coaching
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: rather of the Giants, was it just a no brainer
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: for you to follow her?
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: It was?
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: It was really unfortunate.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Like two weeks prior to her giving me the call
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: to say she's going, I'd actually got my New Zealand residency,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: been to the bank in New Zealand, got like a
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: home loan, approved, and I was.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Like completely, yeah, completely, sat and settled in New Zealand.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: You know, I love the netball, I love the environment
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: and where everything was. But yeah, then I think we
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: were driving up to Auckland one day, just me and
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Jewels would sometimes hang out, and she was like, oh,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: do you want to go to Australia next year? And
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I said yes, without asking like where, why?
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: When? So you just knew it was her and that
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: was it her in Australia you were there, absolutely.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Might be wasted in netball. She sounds like she would
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: have been an awesome cult leader. Like the number of
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: people yep, sure, Casey Coppu are sure, yeah, come on
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: or come out of retirement whatever you two lizard cat.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: You know you'd march into battle behind this woman, for sure,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: they go. Jules, there's a red hot tip. If you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: get bored with all your international coaching.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Jobs, could lea I think here as a cult leader.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I think it would be more lucrative than being involved
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: in netball, wouldn't it.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It depends. I know she can get blood out of
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the stone, that woman. So yeah, yeah, she's amazing. So
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: so obviously you and so this car trip, you're like yep,
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: happy days. And then how did how did it unfold?
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: After that?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Well, I think she the first question she asked is
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: do you want to come to Australia. Response yes, second question,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: can you get Serena Guthri to come? Who was my
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: best mate at the time she was living in Auckland
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: playing for the Mystics. And I just said, yeah, sure,
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: I'll give it my best shot. And I rang Serena,
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I think that night when we got to Auckland, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I said, hey mate, do you want to gun play
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: in Sydney, you know.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: For Jules?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: And she said yes as well about asking many questions,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: so maybe we're just two dumb English people were just
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: kind of wrapped up in a netble bubble. But yeah,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: after that, I remember Jules she had a few offers
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: on the table of where to go and what club
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: to kind of set up and start, and she know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Sydney's her home. And once she decided that, you know,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it was going to be Sydney, it was then what's
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the club going to be called? What are the colors?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: And I've got very vivid memories of sitting in a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: friend's house with jewels, with a glass of wine, saying okay.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: So should the club be called this?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: And we were just coming out some absolute like wacky
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: names and then a couple of weeks later it was
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: it was landed on that it was going to be
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Giants Netball run by Netball New South Wales. But we've
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: an alliance with gw ASS and the rest is history.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: So this will give everyone listening an indication of when
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: we've recorded this that Neple Australia's announced that they're looking
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: for expressions of interest for two more super Netball teams
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and any thoughts on any pinions question without notice here
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: where we should be looking to plug in some extra teams.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Well, I've always liked the idea of Netville and Tazzi
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: played a couple of Super Netwle games there. Me and
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: my wife have a long standing joke that she would
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: move her career to Tazzy if neatble opportunity came up
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: for me. There lovely scenery, but I think it's great.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: I think, you know, if there's talk of expansion on
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: the horizon, that's a really good thing for super Netball.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: But I think it has to be you know, in
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: the areas that first they have the appetite. They secondly
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: have the fan base. I think what I've learned, you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: being the second team in Sydney, is that it's hard
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to create I guess, you know, the automatic fans that
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: show up through each and every week. So somewhere there
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: is crying out for sport. Maybe a Tazzi I think
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: would be a really great addition to super Netball.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: What was it like playing down there, so big local
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: contingent coming out to watch.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we played there I think three years ago and
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: stayed impact super keen fans and you know, just really enthusiastic.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: It's almost an idea that you know, they're grateful that
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: we've journeyed there because they don't get much live sport.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: But I just remember, yeah, being a bore. You know,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: it was people stopping you in the street when you're
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: going to get your coffee. You know, hear the game tonight,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: and yeah, it was a super welcoming environment in Tazy
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think playing games over there is a
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: special experience.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of dribblers who would agree with
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: you that that would be a good spot. They're from Tasmania.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Not coincidentally, I'll go.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: To Tazzy for Christmas. Oh, look for Christmas for January.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: So I'll do some scouting down there for you, Joe.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I'll have a look around. Good work. Yes, thanks is
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: what I do. So Joe, just going back to you know,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you came through England, into New Zealand and then into Australia.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: What's your reflection on where the game sits in each
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: of those countries having played it all three?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's interesting for me looking I guess
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: back to when I played in the Super League. I
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: was in that generation that used to pay to play,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: and then it kind of got like, okay, you don't
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: have to pay anymore, but we're not going to pay you.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: And then I think in my last year of Super League,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: like my expenses were paid and I had a scholarship
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: at UNI and that was it. And I was you know,
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: I was playing for England at that point, and then
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: came along my first contract in New Zealand, which was
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: you know, for absolute minimum wage. But I was just
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: so excited to get to get the offer. And I
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: think when I played in New Zealand, it was that
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: joint A and Z comp playing against the Aussies, and
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you know, it used to be very scared to come
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: on to Australia because you weren't going to win, essentially
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: to then arriving in super netbw and just thinking it's okay,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: this is a couple of steps up from England, another
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: step up from New Zealand. So that's kind of I
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: guess my playing experience. When I look at it now,
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: I feel like the Super League in the UK is
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: of a hot drive at the moment. It's really trying
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: to raise the standards. I know there's you know, some
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: really good investors coming on board. Netwul super League two
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: point zero was a raving success last year, so I
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: think it's all heading in the right direction. But you know,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I have to say super NETBWL is just the out
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: and out standout like in terms of professionalism away from
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: match day, you can't beat it. You know, the environments
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: that super Netbowl clubs have created here a second to none,
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: and for me, it produces the best team environments, team
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: cultures and therefore the best netball.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: So you know, the thing like when back in the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: olden days when I played, the main difference if you
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: were to ask me what the difference was between cate League,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Super netball or national league and international. The thing that
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: really differentiates the me is the speed at which the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: game is played. And every time you step up, you're like, whoa,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: this is that last level that I was at on steroids,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: because it's just everything just happened so much faster. But
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I do feel now like there's not a lot of
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: difference between the speed of super netball and the speed
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of the international game. Is that is that right? Yeah?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Like you know, when I played for England and said,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: like the twenty eighteen common games, having played in super
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: netbaw for like the year prior to that, and we
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: get to the games and playing against New Zealand, like
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: that game actually felt kind of slow paced, like it
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: it wasn't as intense maybe like body on body type netball,
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: but you had to use a brain a bit more.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think we played you know, obviously the
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: Aussies and everything felt natural, whereas previously, you know, having
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: played in England or in New Zealand, when you came
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: up against the Aussie's like rihing to get like everything
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: right today, So I've got the energy to match this
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: on court, Like the speed that the ball.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Placement, the ball movement.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think supernapples wonders for the international gate
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: inviting so many imports in and it's actually very substandard
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: of world netpl I think.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So we are almost out of time, and one thing
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: that we always do with our guests is put them
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: into Coxy's hot box. Now she's not here today and
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: we don't have the list of questions because that would
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: have required talking to her before she got on her flight,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and we didn't manage to do that. So Liz and
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I are going to do our best to put you
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: through your paces in Coxy's hot box. This is fast
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: fire questions and unless we decide something's interesting or you
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: want to go off in a tangent, then that's totally
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: okay too. So Liz, let's just do what we will
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: do our best. We'll make do it. We've got five
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: a side here today, we're on court. We don't have
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a full seven, but we'll go. Okay, So coffee, order
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: swee latte very in a Sydney tomato sauce in the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: fridge or the cupboard in the fridge.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I think that's smart. You're married to a doctor. She
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: would tell you that you got to have your tomato
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: sauce in the fridge in Australia. But there's so many
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: preserve that you've seen it. I don't know that it
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: would matter, would summer or winter? Winter? Christmas in winter?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Oh that would be good.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Come on beach Christmas. Do you love it? Have you?
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Are you coming around to the idea or is it
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: just still feel very strange? No?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Because I can't see my Christmas lights on my tree
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: outside my house until nine pm. Like it doesn't make
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: sense that you see them at two pm.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: It's that dark.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Wow, you're painting the picture.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: This is not coxyes hot box?
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: But is it?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Lough Brough? Did I pronounce that correctly?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Luff brough luffbruh?
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Beg your pardon, I'm sorry. What else? Have we got
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: a favorite holiday destination?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Oh? Majorca off of Spain. Very nice? Have you been there, Carolyn?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: No, I have not.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I have to take your word for it. Na.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, was that a pre kid holiday?
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, that was like family holiday two hours from
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: London once the year of the year for ten years.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So it wasn't like an early twenties party. Drugs, let's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: go to No, I'm thinking of a Betha aren't. I yes,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: very definitely from Christopher's case territory, which would make as
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: much sense to you as Neil Diamond favorite sport that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: not netball?
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: AFL was your rules?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Who's your team?
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I can't say that on here.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Interesting I'll get.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Called not loyal again. I love the Giants? Is her team?
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I think? Hey, so before but before you discovered AFL,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: did you what was your other? What was your favorite
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: sport before that? Football?
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Growing up in the UK, big Tottenham Hotspur fan, still
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: am just you have to wake up at like three
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: am to watch it over here, it doesn't have the
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: same spark.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: No, my nine year old tells me he's a Man
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: City fan and he's never got out of bed once
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: to watch them at three am. So he's not. He's
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: just like submerged. I think, yeah, just wear the shirt.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yep, Liz, I reckon? Are we are we at the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: final the most? No?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Not yet. There's one other.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: What's your breakfast go to Oh you a good one.
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: Let's go typical bow Main breakfast, scrambled eggs on toasts
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: with the side of crispy bacon.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Oh nice? You tarted up like boomin? Is there like
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: a bit of green Gottess sauce or you know, chili
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: oil or something on it. No, my local coffee house
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: bring me my tomato sauce on the side without my
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: masking stop it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Do you think they bring it to room temperature before
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: they do that or do they know this woman wants
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: it straight from the fridge.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I get it straight from the fridge.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, Liz, I'm worried about this last question.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: After that, I'm worried too, because I feel like you
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: could keep your tomato sauce in the cupboard because it
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't last long enough to get moldy. Exactly.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well, I want you to ask this question.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, now, remember before you answer that, I'm married to
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: a beef farmer. How do you have your steak cooked
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: meatium rare? Yeah? Retrieves the day? Well done.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I thought we were going to have to cancel the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: whole show. Do you then put tomato sauce with it?
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask the same question.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: So I had like fifty dollars steak from the butcher
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: last night, cooked meatium rare, and I did, and had
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: a lovely beech eat salad and I did have It's
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: just a small amount of tomato sauce of it, just.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: To give it that lovely edge, just so you didn't
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: feel too fancy. You thought, I've got to have some
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: tomato sauce. Did you have your bowland your champagne with that?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: It was a Sunday, No.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It was no.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: We we had an alcohol free Sunday yesterday. I was
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: saving the bollinger for when we got north for a
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: holiday over Christmas.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Love nice up north, not to Mayorka, up north, not
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: that far north. Now we're coming your way. We're going
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to mulum Bimbi. Alexisis lives in mullam Oh nice. All right,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: let us know. If I'm not in Tazzi, you can
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: come over and have some beef with no tomato sauce
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: on it.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, You might have to smuggle some in if
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: you're going to if you want to go in. Not
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: even the children are allowed to have it anymore at that.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I'm an expert everywhere. No, I've lost that bat and
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: my son is a tomato sauce aholic. Anyway, that's another
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: day you've got. You've got it all ahead of you. Hey,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: can I just ask Eddie? Was she named after Eddie
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: from ab fam or is it someone else? No, don't
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: say that to my wife hates that sound secret.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: She's named after my late Nan from Ireland, Edna. He
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: was affectionately known as Eddie Beautiful. So yeah, she's got
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: that kind of Irish connection.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I love.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Yah.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Well, we're on a podcast and people can't see this,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: but your face does light up when you talk about it,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: which is really lovely. But here's something interesting. So you're
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: you're you're still in that new parent phase. The way
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you feel about preseason training is the way I feel
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: when I see people with babies. Now, I go, I'm
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: so happy for you and I'm so glad. That's but
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it took me about six years after my daughter was
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: born to get to that point.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I was desperate for another child, but I was a
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: million years old and but yeah, and one day I
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: saw someone with a baby and I thought, oh, you're
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: so tired, aren't you.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: You're so it's such hard. That's the other side of preseason.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Everyone's posting in the gym, so tiring. I'm like, you
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: have no idea.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: You have no idea? Training is easy, Yep, totally because
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: looking after yourself and yourself only and well Joe Harton.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: MB Swift's shooting specialist, coach, legend of the game netball.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: It has been an absolute delight to have you on
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: our summer series. I know Catherine's very disappointed that she
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: couldn't join us, but thank you for balancing out our court.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And yeah, thanks for joining us and we have you
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: have a wonderful summer.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks, guys an a privilege. Thanks having me on.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: That's Joe Harton. I'm Carolyn Swindell.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I'm mis zealous.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: Bye see you Dreblers have a good week. Bye.