Latest / The Bill Handel Show / RIP Gloria Steinem | LAUSD Adopts Moratorium on Student AI Case

Transcript

RIP Gloria Steinem | LAUSD Adopts Moratorium on Student AI Case · The Bill Handel Show

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handel on demand from KFI AM 640.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Now we have Anne dancing in her chair. All right,
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: we have a set of cameras in the studio. We do.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: Just to see that.
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: If you think we're entertaining now, which of course you don't,
• 0:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you will absolutely think that we're entertaining as
• 0:30
  Speaker 3: we make complete asses of ourselves. Okay, it is a
• 0:34
  Speaker 3: Thursday morning, September the 3rd. And some big news is
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: coming down. Yesterday we got the news that Gloria Steinem
• 0:43
  Speaker 3: dead at the age of 92. Now, we do obits
• 0:47
  Speaker 3: of people who are in the news.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: And die constantly.
• 0:53
  Speaker 3: And then there is an added level to folks that
• 0:58
  Speaker 3: die who are very, very well known and really change
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: the way we look at the world.
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: Change America.
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: And in some cases, change the world. And that's exactly
• 1:12
  Speaker 3: what Gloria Steinem was about. She co-founded Ms. Magazine, and
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: she has been a leader of women's rights, an early,
• 1:23
  Speaker 3: early advocate.
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: And as women have.
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: Gotten more and more into the mainstream, for example, today,
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: no one thinks about a woman being president, where it
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: used to be when Steinem had started, when she started
• 1:37
  Speaker 3: her her writing decades and decades ago, the thought of
• 1:41
  Speaker 3: a woman being president was just impossible, much like an
• 1:45
  Speaker 3: African-American being president, impossible. Well, we've moved certainly in the
• 1:50
  Speaker 3: other direction. And Steinem is given and should be given
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: the credit for moving us that way. She was, well,
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: her thing was self-affirmation for women, certainly political.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Power, equality in the workplace.
• 2:08
  Speaker 3: And what's interesting about Gloria Steinem is that she did
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: not want to objectify women. Her whole thing is when
• 2:17
  Speaker 3: we look at women in a sexual sense, men looking
• 2:20
  Speaker 3: at objectifying women, that obviously is a big no-no, as
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: it should be. It's hard not to do that when
• 2:27
  Speaker 3: you have a good-looking woman. And she was incredibly good-looking.
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: And that was sort of a known. She was probably
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: the most attractive feminist out there. Another feminist out there
• 2:43
  Speaker 3: who was probably in the same vein is, well, Betty Friedan.
• 2:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you've ever seen a question about
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: a picture of Betty Friedan.
• 2:53
  Speaker 2: Not as much. But her influence, that.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: Is Gloria Steinem's influence, was just extraordinary in terms of
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: women's rights. And she said, I raise money, I talk,
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: I write, I tell stories. I want to do justice
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: to the women I meet. Now, her background, she struggled
• 3:13
  Speaker 3: with stage fright most of her life. And it was,
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: when you look at who she was, she grew up
• 3:21
  Speaker 3: with stage fright, didn't have much schooling, although she did
• 3:25
  Speaker 3: get a scholarship. And I think it was, which school
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: it was? Was it Yale that she got her scholarship to?
• 3:36
  Speaker 3: And the Smith College, she did. And she graduated Phi
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: Beta Kappa, majoring in government, spending a couple years in
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: India on a fellowship, even worked for an organization that
• 3:45
  Speaker 3: was funded by the CIA. So this is one bright,
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: bright lady, to say the least. And she was an
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: early advocate of women's rights. Even before, well, let me
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: put it this way. How did she become well-known? How
• 4:01
  Speaker 3: do you go from an obscure writer into a leading advocate.
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: Because there are plenty of women out there who felt
• 4:08
  Speaker 3: the same way at the time. The women's movement was
• 4:11
  Speaker 3: growing and no one was paying much attention to it
• 4:13
  Speaker 3: early on. And when you look at it, in her 20s,
• 4:18
  Speaker 3: she was trying to establish herself as a freelance writer.
• 4:22
  Speaker 3: Her breakthrough story was a scathing account, very funny, of
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: her two weeks as a playboy bunny. She applied for,
• 4:32
  Speaker 3: and that's how attractive she was, applied for and got
• 4:34
  Speaker 3: a job as a Playboy Bunny, lasted two weeks, and
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: she wrote about it.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: That was her breakthrough. But here's the problem. That story backfired.
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: Because at that point, after that magazine article, she became
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: known not as the crusader that she was, but as
• 4:52
  Speaker 3: a former bunny. And for several years after that, her
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: magazine assignments were.
• 5:00
  Speaker 2: veered towards, quote, women's page topics.
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: In 1964, for example, one of her more famous articles
• 5:07
  Speaker 3: was about textured stockings. In 68, there was Washington columnist
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: who described her as the mini-skirted pinup girl of intelligentsia.
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: A headline in the LA Times read, Gloria, beautiful brain
• 5:22
  Speaker 2: and ditto body.
• 5:26
  Speaker 3: So she took her attractiveness, quote, and used it in
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: a way that probably other.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: Women could not. I mean, she's a smart, smart lady.
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: Her dad, very interesting guy. He was 300 pounds, was
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: driving around the country. That's why she didn't get much
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: education with a family in tow. And he'd go from
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: town to town, pick up antiques, and then sell them
• 5:48
  Speaker 3: later on in town. Her mom suffered from mental illness
• 5:54
  Speaker 3: in and out of mental facilities. And so in 1972,
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: she founds Ms. Magazine with several other feminist journalists. She founded, yes,
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: a 40-page insert in New York Magazine, sold out in
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: eight days. It eventually topped 500,000 subscribers. And she remained
• 6:22
  Speaker 3: a contributing editor to Ms. Magazine for 15 years. In 2013,
• 6:27
  Speaker 3: President Barack Obama gave her the Presidential Medal of Freedom,
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: the nation's highest civilian honor.
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: And when you look at her early.
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: Early statements or early speeches, you can see where the
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: world was going. She was prescient. She was able not
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: only to make it happen, but to see that it
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: was going to happen. This was not someone who is
• 6:54
  Speaker 3: tilting at windmills. This was someone who saw what the
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: world was going to be before her time. And she's
• 7:02
  Speaker 3: just one of those people that changed the way we
• 7:05
  Speaker 3: work and live in America, where women's rights are, well,
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: I think equality is there. So now I go, survey says, Amy,
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I can ask you this, because
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: you being a journalist, A female journalist, which I don't
• 7:21
  Speaker 3: understand how females can even be hired as journalists. Like
• 7:25
  Speaker 3: the first time a woman pilot, I was on an
• 7:26
  Speaker 3: airplane with a woman pilot. I turned to the guy
• 7:29
  Speaker 3: next to me and said, we're going to die. The
• 7:31
  Speaker 3: plane's going to crash. Do you think equality is there, Amy,
• 7:35
  Speaker 3: in the world of journalism?
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: No.
• 7:43
  Speaker 3: No, because you're the expert in journalism. Do you think
• 7:45
  Speaker 3: equality is there where men and women are on.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: The same plane? I think it's close in journalism, actually,
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: when I think about it. I think it's close.
• 7:52
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: And that's Gloria Steinem. It has a lot to do
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: with that. Yeah.
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: It's just– and where women are becoming more and more.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: Part of society.
• 8:04
  Speaker 3: Did you know that there are more law school students
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: who are female than male?
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: Same thing in business.
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: You're taking over the world, Bill.
• 8:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you are. Business schools. Damn it. You are taking
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: over the world.
• 8:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But you think about like talk radio here on KFI,
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: the majority of the hosts are men.
• 8:21
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 8:21
  Speaker 3: In the world of radio, the majority of disc jockeys,
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: the majority of certainly in the world of news. Well,
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: not so much in the world of news, but in
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: the world of talk, it is men and it's conservative men.
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: By the way, liberal men don't have a chance. Liberals
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: don't have a chance. But that's a different story at
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: a different time. Anyway, Gloria Steinem is a big old bit,
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: and it's worth doing a segment about her, and it's
• 8:46
  Speaker 3: worth knowing who she was because she really, really did
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: change America.
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, some of the stories we are covering.
• 8:54
  Speaker 3: The jurors in the Lindsay Clancy trial returning in this morning.
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: For day, I think, six of their deliberations and twice
• 9:04
  Speaker 3: they said they're deadlocked. And when a jury is deadlocked,
• 9:07
  Speaker 3: the judge does not like that, sends them back in.
• 9:10
  Speaker 3: And if they come back today saying deadlocked, my guess
• 9:13
  Speaker 3: is there'll be a mistrial. One of the questions I
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: have about Lindsay Clancy is that her defense is that
• 9:22
  Speaker 3: she basically was nuts, not guilty by reason of insanity.
• 9:25
  Speaker 3: That's her main defense. As a matter of fact, that
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: is her defense. And they've had psychiatrists up there, you know,
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: and always both sides have differing views. Prosecution says, no,
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: she wasn't crazy. And the defense says, yeah, she was crazy.
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: But someone, a mom who is known as a good mom,
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: who didn't have any history of mental illness prior to
• 9:50
  Speaker 3: all this. I mean, how can you kill your three
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: children and.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: Not be crazy?
• 9:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just don't get it. I mean, that's,
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: to me, and I haven't seen the evidence, but, you know,
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: when you go to that point and you kill your
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: three little ones, I mean, you have to be nuts.
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: That's the way I would view it. And she did
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: have postpartum blues. and was prescribed insane number of medications.
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: So I think the deadlock is going to continue. And
• 10:27
  Speaker 3: at worst, she's going to get voluntary manslaughter. And we're
• 10:30
  Speaker 3: looking at maybe 15 years. I can't imagine first-degree, second-degree
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: murder happening, not with her mental state. Now, moving to
• 10:38
  Speaker 3: what happened yesterday. LA Unified School District has adopted a
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: moratorium on student AI use. It was at a meeting,
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: and even the school board members didn't know what was
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: happening because this decision was made by district administrators. They
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: did it on their own authority, and they said, here
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: it is. There will be a moratorium on student use
• 11:11
  Speaker 3: of AI, particularly in grade school. Now, this is devices,
• 11:18
  Speaker 3: only school devices that are handed out. It's still up
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: in the air whether devices that students use by themselves. Now,
• 11:27
  Speaker 3: I wasn't aware that so many of these computers, these
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: devices were issued by the school, by LA Unified. But
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: it makes sense because I've often said that the kids
• 11:40
  Speaker 3: that go to LA Unified don't have money. I mean,
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: this is a district that is very poor. influx of Latinos,
• 11:49
  Speaker 3: particularly from Mexico, particularly can't say they're illegal. I mean,
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: you can't say that because there's no proof because they
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: don't keep track of it, but they are.
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: We know that.
• 11:59
  Speaker 3: And it's, they're given computers by the district as they should,
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: because you can't have kids growing up without use of computers.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: And the argument then goes, well, they're using AI, right?
• 12:13
  Speaker 3: Now AI is, we've talked about this many times. My
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: partner Saville uses AI a lot in business, in the
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: import business, but he doesn't do it for critical thinking
• 12:24
  Speaker 3: or making decisions. What he uses it for is administrative
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: tasks to just run a business administratively. And in some sense,
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: let's say you put together a paper and you use
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: AI to sort of clean it up.
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: That's one thing.
• 12:46
  Speaker 3: Using AI to produce the essay is a very different
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: thing where the thinking is just transferred right over. I
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: just wrote a letter of recommendation for someone who used
• 12:59
  Speaker 3: to work here who moved and is getting a job
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: at another station. And I wrote this letter of recommendation
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: and I called him up and I said, hey, this
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: is damn good. you know, you don't write like this.
• 13:14
  Speaker 3: And he said, yeah, I used AI to write the letter.
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: Does, you know, is that going too far? And when
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: students are starting to learn, especially in the early grades,
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: the thought of them not thinking, not creating, not analyzing
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: the That does not bode well, and the fear is
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: there will be an entire generation of students who are
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: not thinkers. We already have a generation of students who
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: can't read a map, who have absolutely no idea. My kids,
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: for example, who grow up with just maps, Waze, and...
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: Google Maps, they run out of juice.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: On their phones.
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: They are done. They have no idea where they're going. Now,
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: you know, that's just a drag. That's just them being stupid.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: When using AI, however, in terms of your ability to think,
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: that is a different animal.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: And so that's pretty scary stuff.
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: So the school district is saying, okay, let's do a
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: moratorium for a year to figure out what's going to happen.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: New York, they put a moratorium across the board. Man,
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: that was a big deal. That came a couple of
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: days ago. The school system in New York bans students
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: using generative AI tools, chatbots, tutors, can't do it. And
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: that's in preschool through eighth grade. And then there's limited.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Use of AI in high school.
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: So this is one of those where, okay, AI computers
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: are a wonderful thing. The internet is a wonderful thing,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: except look at all the negative. And is the negative, well,
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, can't do it. Yeah, we can't stop it,
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: of course. We try to limit it. But, you know,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: where is that going to go? Now, I want to
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: spend a minute or two talking about what's going on
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: with the armed services issue. There was a story about
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: the resignation of Army Secretary Dan Driscoll. And naturally, CNN
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: picked that up and did a story on it. And
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: they talked to multiple sources. And here's the problem when
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: we talk about multiple sources that are anonymous. A lot
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: of these sources won't talk openly, won't give their names
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: because of retribution straight out. You say anything negative as
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: an employee or as a service member, you're done. And
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: so a bunch of these, multiple sources, told CNN after
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: interviewed that they believe Hegseth is damaging the Army's efforts
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: to adapt to the modern battlefield. Why?
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: He's focusing on culture wars and prioritizing his image of
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: the American warfighter.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: And people that don't agree with him, he's pushing them out.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: That's all. It's that simple.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: Much like the president is changing Washington, D.C., and the
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: country in his vision, Hedgeseth is changing the military in
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: his vision. And that is a problem. Now, what kind
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: of credentials does Hedgeseth have to be the defense secretary
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: or secretary of war? Well, he was a second lieutenant.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: He did a couple of tours of combat. And legitimately,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, the guy is half a war hero. I mean,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: he is a decorated service person who should be given
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: a lot of kudos for that. However, you move from
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: that to the defense secretary. For example, let's say you
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: start in the fire department. And there you are as
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: a rookie, and you're there for three or four months,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you become the fire chief.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: How does that work? Well, that's exactly what happened here.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: And what is the main criticism? Well, Hegseth is so
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: concerned with wokeism. He is so concerned with the way
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: that DEI and WOKE is dealing, is having on, the
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: influence it's having on the military. He is spending a
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: lot of time. Now, as far as choosing new weaponry,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: he really doesn't have to do much because any weaponry
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: that the Army, the Navy can think of, the president
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: is saying, go for it. The president is obsessed in
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: a couple of ways. One of them is building up
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: our military. obviously changing the way Washington, D.C. looks, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: getting his name on everything and his face on every
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: coin in every place, but also his fight against wokeism
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: and against the universities. As you know, funding has stopped
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: in many cases, funding has stopped to school districts and
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: states that do not practice the anti-wokeism that he does.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: And in terms of Hegseth, I mean, it is so
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: blatant For example, what did he say? I got a
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: couple of quotes here. And there's just some really good ones.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Even though he has spoken, for example, in Europe, he
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: spoke about the technology reform and guidance on unmanned systems.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: In practice, the Europeans are saying they see a secretary
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: in a Pentagon more focused on cultural issues than modernization.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: That's the problem.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: And he is, I have to find these quotes because
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I was looking at them and they were just tremendous
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: quotes when he talked about how we're going to get
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: rid of beards, we're going to get rid of dresses,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: we're going to get rid of men who aren't men, basically.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: He said, we're going to do training and not trannies.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, that is a big, big issue for them. Now,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: after these accusations, the Pentagon spokesman, Sean Parnell, called all
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: of that a total fabrication, that he's not focused on modernization.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And the entire department is unified behind his vision. Well, yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: they kind of are, because if you say anything negative
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: about it, you are history. So we don't have a
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: confirmed chief of staff We don't have confirmed undersecretary We
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: don't have leadership He has gotten rid of so many
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: of the top leadership in the army there in the
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: armed services that there is a real shortage of It's
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: his aggressive stance on social, cultural war issue. He's gone
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: after military personnel, leaders he perceived to be woke, renaming
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the Defense Department. It's no longer the Defense Department. It
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: is Department of War. Now, that I find interesting because
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: the president campaigned on no more wars, yet he changed
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: his Secretary of Defense to Secretary of War. I mean,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: that's the thinking. And the president is right. We have
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: no more wars.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, wait a minute. What happened in Iran?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Well, that's not really a war, as the president describes
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: it sometimes. He talked about dudes in dresses and the
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: woke department who celebrated identity months and DEI offices. And
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: we get rid of all of that. And he's repeated
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: those remarks. He criticized the Biden administration. for promoting priorities
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: like gender issues, women, peace and security, climate change, diversities,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: dudes in dresses.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's his quote. And the other thing, I
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: don't know if you've noticed.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: But literally anything that is wrong, what's going on with America,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: and there's always something wrong. You know, the press goes
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: up to these leaders, to the president, to the vice
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: president and talks. We'll throw something that is negative. Hey,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: what's going on here? Well, you said this, but this
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: really happened. It's the Biden administration. They're the ones that
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: are at fault. It's the Biden administration. They're blamed for everything.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: And the Biden administration is blamed for wokeism, which, by
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: the way, frankly, is a I think a legitimate accusation
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: because the Biden administration.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Is was a big supporter of woke.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: And you didn't know this, but a little secret is
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: that Joe Biden was it was a crossdresser. And I'm
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: sure you didn't know that. But hey, what can I
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: tell you? A little bit of inside baseball for you.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Not a cross-dresser, but he did get rid of 18
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: political appointees placed in the military by Trump in the
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: early years and then got rid of 8,000 or more troops.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. No, presidents do that. They bring in.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: The issue is, and you can't argue that Biden, when
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: he brought in people, they were experienced and credentials. He
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: did not bring in rookie firefighters and make them fire chiefs.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: That he didn't do. And as far as getting people
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to believe in what you believe in, in your philosophy, absolutely.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Every president does that. So I don't have a problem
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, Amy. No, just... Let me just lock out the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: way I'm supposed to lock out. Okay, here we go.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: This is KFI AM 640.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: You've been listening to the Bill Handel Show. Catch my
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: show Monday through Friday, 6 a.m. to 9 a.m. and
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.