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2005's Four Brothers · Off The Shelf With Phil and Dave- A Movie Review Podcast

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Hello and welcome to Off the Shelf with Phil and Dave, the
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movie talk show where each week one of us takes the movie off
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our show, presents it to the other, and discusses it at
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length. This week we've got coming off
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of Dave's Shelf 2005 Four Brothers directed by John
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Singleton, written by David Elliott and Paul Lovett,
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starring Dave favorite Mark Wahlberg.
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Not favorites Andre 3000, Garrett Hedlund, Tyrese Gibson,
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Terrence Howard, Josh Charles. I'm trying to match you from
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last week, but he star-studded, star-studded indeed got Oscar
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nominated director and other people.
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Four brothers. Count them up.
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Absolutely welcome back to the Couch.
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Thank you. Much appreciated you joining us
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once again. Happy to be here.
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Have to ask of course, how are you doing this week and why this
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movie? Why now you?
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Don't have to ask me how I am, I'm going anyway.
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Don't feel obligated, but I'm doing fine.
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Wonderful, wonderful. You got 6.
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Maybe a 7, maybe A7. Not feeling that picky today,
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I'll tell you that. Oh, that's conveniently.
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Yeah, it works out pretty well for.
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You. I've been stockpiling all.
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This ready to pick? Why this movie?
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Why now? Similar to your answer last
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week. Give me a little snow.
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Sure, that's enough. It takes all it takes.
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And this has always been, oddly enough, a bit of a favorite of
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mine. It is odd.
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It is a little bit. I've had it on DVD since.
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I don't know. 2006. That's a safe bet, Phillip.
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DVD years. Yeah, haven't gone around to
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upgrading it. I don't think it requires that.
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It still looked good on the big 65 inch.
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And this is probably since 2006 ish.
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Fifth time. Wow. 5th and 6th time.
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So I go back to it every few years.
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However, this, it's been at least 10 years since I've
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watched it last. OK.
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I would go as far as to say I loved it First time I watched
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it. Wow.
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OK. Yeah, I don't know something
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about it. There's definitely something
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about it. Something about it.
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So that's my history. It's a good one.
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Thank you. What's yours?
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It goes back about a week. I figured as much.
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Never saw it. I don't know how that's
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possible. Had no interest.
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I do remember the trailer and I do remember the box arts.
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Again, I'm working in the video store at this.
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Point prime time. Prime time Vancouver Kitsilano.
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There it is. But you're not recommending this
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to your custom. It is definitely not.
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I'm trying to probably bury it in the low FPS if I could.
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John Singleton is an interesting guy because he came out of the
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gate. He was 27 or so when Boys in the
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Hood came out. Oh, he's that young.
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I didn't. Like swept the world like it was
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huge, huge hit. Made stars out of everybody in
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it. Looking back, maybe a little bit
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melodramatic in the hindsight, but in the moment felt so real
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and visceral and was like, holy shit, a young black filmmaker
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telling stories of young black men and their experiences in
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California, in Compton and so forth.
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It was like a revelation to a suburban white kid, certainly.
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And that movie, like, just rocked me because it's just a
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world I had no idea about. Yeah, Yeah, of course.
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And subsequently made movies I could not care less about.
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You know, higher learning wasn't very good.
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I did watch that one. That's sort of a college campus.
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A lot of ideas in it, but doesn't really materialize.
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OK. He did Shaft in 2000 with Sammy
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Jay, Sammy J for to get things. You heard wrong.
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I watched that. It's OK.
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It just doesn't have any of the fun vibe of Shaft.
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It's sort of takes itself a little more serious than I
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thought it would or could or should even.
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So he's just a director with a lot of promise that never
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really, at least in the first couple of movies, we're really
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delivered. So he was a guy never went back
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to. Kind of like Grady, Trip had a
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had a big hit. Big hit and then.
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Probably get that next one. Until now.
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Until now, yeah. Till 2004.
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That's true, 2005. Sorry.
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So by the time this movie came out, I was kind of over him and
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he died in 2019, so a pretty young guy in the end.
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OK, you did more research than I.
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Did but never really had that strong follow up and this one
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had no interest that do not enjoy the Wahlberg.
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So you taking it off the shelf puts me in a position where I
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have to get a, I got a tick off a Singleton, I gotta take off a
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Wahlberg and I tick off an Andre 3000.
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And I wasn't sure that I was going to get an opportunity.
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Well, it's the best version of him, much better than Andre
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2000. Sure.
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It's the upgrade, yeah. Absolutely, and he's fantastic.
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I will say, actually, coming out of the gate, I like him probably
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more than almost anybody else in this movie.
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OK? Jeremiah, Jerry, my hot take
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coming out of the gate is that he might be the best brother.
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OK? I was going to ask you that and
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I appreciate. You just wanted you to have an
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answer by the end, not just kind of like them all the same.
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This is sort of straight up the middle Dave answer.
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Yeah, well, I got some different thoughts this week.
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I'm gonna order them out for a one through 4 rank them.
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You can throw that throw the cops in there too if you.
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Like, oh, man. But yeah, so that's where I'm
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at. That's when I came into the
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movie with. Not a good footing.
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Not great footing, as you know, I want to walk like every movie
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you want to. But the reason why I haven't
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ever watched this is all those reasons coming in.
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So it had a little bit of an uphill.
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Battle I do recognize for you, and we joked about this
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periodically with a Wahlberg film or a Willis.
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If it's say a 6.8 IMDb, it is. I can expect a 4.8 kind of
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feeling around the movie, sure, because of the Wahlberg factor,
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the -2 of it all. It's how much they use them, how
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they utilize them, and how does he rise to the OK challenge, as
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it were. And he does.
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no, and we'll figure it out, figure out
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the movie. Here and some of his other
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movies he likes to play this role.
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This is right wheelhouse. Yeah, right.
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And you have to be willing to accept it.
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I generally am not. From the scowl look on his face
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to his on emotive face, to his inability to deliver a line with
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any enthusiasm or excitement, he's funny, anything.
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It's just like, it's really challenging.
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That's why I kind of equate he and Bruce together and that they
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really only have that one look now.
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Did they work together in a movie?
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Did they? I don't.
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Believe so. I don't think the screen could
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handle the smug implode. But before we get too far along,
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little faithful have to say about this bad boy here.
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I'm glad. Yeah, not bad boys.
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That was last week with Tea Leoni.
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That's right, this time. Her and her shoulder.
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Pads, right? What are we saying?
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Here we are saying the following When they're adoptive mother is
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gunned down in a store robbery, 4 brothers decide to investigate
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the murder and find the killers themselves.
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But not all is what it seems. That leaves a little to the
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imagination. I actually think you know what
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that is telling you what it is without getting too detailed,
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and there's enough interest in there that I might be willing to
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watch this movie. All right, there we go.
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That's a win then, yeah. I think that's the appropriate
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summation of this. Movie.
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Hope it's enough to bring you around.
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No, I did see the movie. That does tell me.
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Oh, this could be interesting. Yeah, that was the problem.
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That's the problem was actually to watch it.
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OK. Well, Phillip, I thought what
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would get you at least into it, the hook, as it were, would be
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the immediate snow. Absolutely.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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But you know, I love when the logos get tied into.
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The back, I love it. So I think that's my in.
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Yeah, no, that's a good. One to connect for you.
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Did it work? Well, I don't judge a movie
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within 3 seconds whether I like or dislike something, but I
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definitely was enjoying that particular moment.
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Yes, OK, wonderful. What are your thoughts around
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having the movie instantly go into what essentially triggers
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everything that happens? I was very surprised by how
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quickly she dies. Hmm.
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I mean, a movie has to have a reason for being right?
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So I get that the things are happening.
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And why beat around the? Bush.
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But if you think about last week, that was 15 minutes in or
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so by the time we're with Sarah and Grady in the bed talking
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about she's pregnant, like that's the real kind of hook of
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the movie. This is within 5 minutes.
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She's dead. Let's get it done.
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And I was impressed by that. OK, It's what happens next,
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unfortunately. That's what happens for the
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other. Hour 44, yeah, that doesn't
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really deliver or has a lot of questions and holes in it, but
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in terms of just opening with a bang, it definitely does.
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That it does that. Right.
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We set up her as a neighborhood guardian Angel, if you will.
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Yep. And then obviously we gotta kill
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her. She's gotta die, Yeah, I mean.
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Detroit. I don't know what that means.
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I don't have to get killed in. Detroit is one of the most
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violent cities in America, I think.
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I don't have any stats to back that up.
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That's the impression I get though.
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Detroit. Doesn't look like a very happy,
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hospitable place to live, at least in this.
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Movie. Yeah, Chicago would be another.
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One, maybe we should just send the National Guard and just take
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it over. There's a thought crime is a
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problem. Here's a thought sending
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military. Even, I mean, Al Capone ran
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Chicago. Was it?
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Yeah, in the in the 40s. Not that this has anything to do
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with Chicago, but Detroit and Chicago are known for this.
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Yeah, I felt the introduction music fitting to what I know is
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going to happen the next, you know, now and a half the
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soundtrack. Explain that to me.
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How Motown. OK, what does that tell you
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about what's going to happen next with the movie?
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Though the vibe OK I'm talking vibes buddy I.
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Like that soundtrack? Quite a.
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Bit I know you. Do this Motown vibe and that
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first song, very chill, very kind of smooth.
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I think it's good introduction to the movie.
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I like the font of the credits you have to find these things
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fill up. Well, I think that's maybe what
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I was missing. I should have paid more
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attention to the font because I was paying attention to the plot
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and the writing and the performances.
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Don't do that. Don't do that.
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It's the font. This is a very 2005 font.
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OK? Yeah, absolutely.
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Great stuff. I do like the vehicles though.
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He had Detroit known for their cars.
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That's very true. Very Motor City.
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Lot of Fords, Chevys. Not sure if it was a single
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brand of car that went Detroit but I'm sure they were flexible.
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Probably. I had a car similar.
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Had 86 Buick regal OK cutlass rims 305 four barrel.
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OK. V8 Fantastic.
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You don't know I'm talking. About vegetables, you know,
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tomatoes, celery, yeah. That's why I use for gas to fill
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it up. In the 80s, really ahead of
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their. Time.
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Yeah, yeah, we have Mark rolling into town.
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Looking so Wahlberg very. Wahlberg.
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Look on his face. The Oh yeah, the furrowed brow.
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So cool, so tough, such a fucking punk.
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I hate this. Guy, you put a picture of him
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beside nails and like you see the same thing because he's
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tough as them. Alright, same thing, but maybe
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you'll soften up out of the cemetery.
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A little bit. Probably not.
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He's incapable of playing soft. We do get a quick introduction
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of another character that we know from Hearts War.
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Oh yes, yes, yes, Howard. Yeah.
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Hustle and flow. Yeah, a preview actually of that
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movie came on before. I mean, I popped in the DVD.
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Going all the way I love. It the first thing that pops up,
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by the way, is the whole anti piracy thing.
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And like you're right, you're right.
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Would you steal a car? No, I wouldn't.
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Would you just steal a DVD? No, and I don't I don't I don't
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do what it's implying. Of course, stealing stuff off
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the Internet. No, of course.
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Not I don't do it. So I'm on board with this
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commercial. Not many people are the people
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needs to get to it doesn't get to.
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No, I mean just not convincing anybody with that.
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But I have some friends of mine that were film makers, are film
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makers. What happened for me in
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particular was the Internet was just becoming a thing in 2001.
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Hmm. And I had gone to see The Royal
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Tenenbaums and I loved it. I was such a fan and I couldn't
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wait to have it. And I saw it a couple times in
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the theatre and then in that gap between the movie and the video
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release. Limewire.
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Limewire. Kazaa.
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Right. Like all those things.
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I was like, I was so desperate to like, I just loved that movie
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so much. Sad.
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But then it came out of course, and I bought the DVD.
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It's still on the shelf, so I'll give you that.
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So there's that thing where it's like I will have occasioned to
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seek something out, but it's only often when it's unavailable
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elsewhere. If it's available elsewhere, I
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will own the disk as you. Know I'm looking in your room
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here. You're not the problem.
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Exactly. It's all but there have been
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times where it's like this movie is no longer available and it's
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even harder and harder and harder with the streaming world.
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You see what they want you. To see that's it.
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And so there's these top ten entire eras of film that are
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disappearing because nobody wants to watch black and white
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movies or the rights issue on some VHS copy of some movie from
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1976 never got, you know? It's a good year, too.
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So it's a real challenge. So I'm very happy that I have
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the media that I have, but on occasion you gotta find it where
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you can. You gotta do what you gotta do,
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and what Terrence has to do here is give us some expositions.
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Right, he has a mission. Yeah.
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And I think this is a good opportunity, sitting in the car
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with Fowler. Yeah, going through their files
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of the Mercer boys, all adopted. Of course.
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Yeah, They kind of explained the whole plot, right?
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This is really this old lady picked them up.
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It fits, though. Yeah, I'm OK with this,
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actually. This didn't bother me.
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It was actually kind of satisfied with the way in which
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that exposition came out. Not ideal, like it's a bit
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heavy-handed, but. Jeremiah is straight.
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Yeah, Angel was a no show. Angel wasn't there.
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Bobby, he's the worst. He's the baddest guy on the
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planet. Jackie, he's a rock star.
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What the fuck does? That no, he was a first rate
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fuck up. That's why he said it.
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And a third rate Rockstar. Rockstar.
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That's right. There you go, buddy.
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Great quote. That's right.
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What I really liked about this, and it's such a small thing, the
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relationship Green, which is Howard's character, has with
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these kids as he pays his respects, sure comes to the
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backyard. Wahlberg has a fun moment with
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the kids I love. It Yeah.
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But they have this respect, but there's a limitation to that
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respect because they're on two different sides of the law.
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Obviously, I think this is where the problem right away is.
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Mark Wahlberg as an actor will never allow anybody else in a
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scene to be or have any value. So, tough guy, you're saying
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sincere relationship building between the two?
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It's brief. It's.
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Care though, but everything Wahlberg does or says to this
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guy who's supposedly this link between the two is is fucking
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jerk off. You don't know what the fuck is
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looking real nice on the other side of the street.
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You're doing a fine up job around here like always.
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Just like deriding him. Hey, look at.
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Detroit, they're not doing so great.
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I'm. Sure, but they want to present
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like these two are interconnected and I don't
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really feel that they are. It's just a second.
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It's there though I've check again, very brief.
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I don't disagree with you. Wahlberg, to a fault, does bring
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down quality. Of win every scene I think.
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Yeah, I think what saves that scene from the Walpurgis of it
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is is Terrence Howard seeing through his bullshit.
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Sure. And he's still able to have a
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moment with Jack. Shakes his hand.
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Give me some. Love.
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Yeah, it probably helps with this movie.
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Has four brothers to choose from with Green, as you're saying
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with that relationship because it doesn't The one-on-one with
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Wahlberg. Oh no, that's not gonna.
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That won't work well. But you're right, having him
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play with Jack or talk to Jerry like giving him some wiggle I
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think works. And Fowler too, yeah has another
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buffer to the whole situation. Fowler from.
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Our Things to do in Denver while You're Dead has more things to
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do in Detroit, apparently. He has more to.
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Do he's more to do he was just. Driving through Denver here, he
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gets to. Actually have a job and
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everything else and everything. Yeah.
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Speaking of houses, we fight, we Mosey on over to moms house.
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Yeah. And we find Angel waiting on the
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porch. Another porch, Another porch.
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Classic porch movie. This one more of a canopy.
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Yeah, has a canopy. Thank you.
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Thank you, Phillip. And what I enjoy about this
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movie and what I remember about enjoying it the first time I
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watched it and why I've gone back to it every few years.
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As much as this could be coined a revenge movie.
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Sure. It does allow some moments for
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some softness, some grieving. OK, have lost their mom,
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effectively, yeah. They're all in the house.
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The music changes and each of them has their own individual
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moment and how they're grieving, how they're mourning with the
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moment. Yeah, it's difficult to not
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allow. Wahlberg is going to probably
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come up a few times to over shadow the other characters in
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his moments. More important, like he's taking
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moms. Room.
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Yeah, even something like that. I'm like, you take your room,
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you take your room, I'm going to take Mom's room.
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I'm just like, who are you, man? He presumably you all have
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rooms. Yeah, he's obviously the alpha
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of their war. Yeah, and don't fight it.
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For sure, absolutely. And those aren't things that
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again, like Take Me Out or don't Take Me Out like that's fine.
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But there is moments of sort of, well, who?
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Who are you? Who are you who died?
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Mom did. Why do you get her room, you
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know? It's nice room.
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Too. It's a beautiful.
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Room all the rooms. Got a nice basket in there.
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It's got on sweet. I mean, my gosh.
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I could not help but think about Bruce Willis.
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Oh yes, in the moments that he's had to show emotion, even myself
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couldn't quite buy Mark Wahlberg crying.
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Yeah, he's not getting there. It doesn't last for too long.
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Yeah, I don't buy it for a second.
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Yeah, I buy that he's upset about.
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Sure, her getting shot. I think that normal human beings
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would be sad. I just don't think he is sad in
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this moment. You love a good tussle.
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Yeah. Angel versus Jerry, get him.
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Jerry, get him. It's a memorable line from this
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movie that every time I watch this, there's like four or five
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lines. Mostly it's around them.
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Making fun of Jack, sure, which I think is still funny, Totally.
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But I love Turkey tryptophan. They're all at the table.
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Another quiet moment where they all, not all, I don't know if
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you noticed this, Three of them. Look at the empty chair.
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See, Mom? close your mouth when you're
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chewing. Get your elbows off the table.
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It's OK that you have a tattoo, Jack.
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He's really intense performance wise.
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I don't know if it was a little too much, but he's really having
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a moment there. Struggling, yeah.
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There's a couple scenes where I think he maybe dollars up a
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little bit, but as a person that lost his mom at a pretty young
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age, it's easy to tap into that. So I'm willing to certainly give
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it some credit. I like this character over
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generally, yeah, I think. So I think generally he's maybe
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the most interesting. It's tough to say.
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As you know, Andre 3000. Jeremy is my guy.
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You did say that. I'm find myself a little
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challenged during this scene because it's these moments in
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these movies where you want to feel something, right?
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This is these four brothers. It's the first kind of quiet
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moment, like you're saying everybody's setting down.
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Kind of thinking in. Yeah, the revelation, you know,
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you've had some time to sit on it.
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And my thought was, and maybe this is just me being a little
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nitpicky, so take it with the grain, I will.
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But I think to myself, the fondest memories that they have
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of this woman, of her effectively just nagging them,
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the nice nag. It just feels like like if I was
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to think back of my dead mom, it wouldn't be.
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There wasn't. She wouldn't be get your feet
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off the table. So it strikes me as odd, and
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obviously the context is the context, but it just felt like
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the relationship between these guys and their mother because
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she dies so soon in the movie. We don't really know.
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If you're going to do this type of scene, to me it's like a
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positive scene. It's a happy scene.
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It's a memory of something that brings them together or
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something even like a flashback of her with them as young kids
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so that there's just a feeling of camaraderie.
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But we get introduced to the movie.
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Into the characters as badasses. Or very bad especially.
20:06
Bobby and they kind of shoot their own shit at each other,
20:09
which is human, right? So I like it, but it's like at
20:12
some point do they even like each other, you know?
20:15
So I don't feel that feeling. I don't feel that thing, I
20:19
think. It's a sweet moment with the
20:21
tattoo, sure. I think it's they know that.
20:24
She had the hat, too. They do now.
20:27
I thought you were going to throw Monk in my face with the
20:30
fact that you're seeing somebody who has passed away as well.
20:33
That's all. Died.
20:35
Yes. Yes, good.
20:37
So I think this movie wants that, for the record.
20:40
I think that wants the emotion and I think it needs the emotion
20:42
for the rest of it to mean anything.
20:44
And because it's sort of stumbling and faltering early,
20:47
some of the later stuff in the relationship to how passionate
20:51
they are. The way I look at it is these
20:52
guys want Bobby in particular, like wants to fight, wants to
20:56
kill and wants to do bad things. And the excuse is moms dead.
21:01
I got a carte blanche rather than something really traumatic
21:05
happened. And the only way I know how to
21:07
deal with it is this other thing.
21:08
So it just feels like it's contrived.
21:10
I don't know something about it. The scene triggers.
21:12
It I think you're reading way too much into it.
21:14
Probably OK, let's just go play some hockey.
21:16
OK, let's get to the let's get it up.
21:19
Let's get on the ice. Let's.
21:20
Cool it. Down for a bit, I want quick
21:22
sticks and tight passing. Again, just another throwaway
21:26
line that I like because it's hockey related.
21:29
Absolutely. #24 Detroit Red Wings, Yeah, Who is it?
21:34
Well, it's not Eyes run 19 local boy, obviously.
21:37
He's not knowing you and it's. Not better on Federov my boy.
21:41
OK. It's not Chelios 27 or is it
21:45
Chelios 20? 4 Two people.
21:47
Paul Coffey. No you idiot, you 7 or 77.
21:51
His old life you moron. Sorry, that came off a little
21:54
harsh. Bob Probert.
21:57
Oht Gosh. Oh yeah, Robert.
21:59
Of course I saw it on the back of his.
22:00
Jersey maybe my question was to you, did you see it because
22:03
Chelios also wore 24, OK, but. The 27 on Montreal.
22:07
That's why. Maybe, but there's also the A.
22:10
Was Probert ever an assistant captain?
22:12
I would hope not. I don't think he qualifies.
22:14
But the back of that of Bobby Jersey red proper now that you
22:17
mentioned it. But they did everything but
22:19
quick sticks and tight passing. All they showed was the hits,
22:23
just. It's just a bunch of
22:25
roughhousing on the IT was a little.
22:28
But I get what they're trying to do.
22:30
Keep with that motif. Yes, it's just like a montage of
22:33
beaten down ass. Doesn't make any.
22:35
Sense and there's a quick moment after their hockey game, after
22:38
breaking bones, that bothered me, and So what reason I'm going
22:42
to bring it up. Please.
22:43
The only thing in the movie I didn't.
22:44
Like the one they talk about? IT threat Andre 3000.
22:48
Your boy. My boy.
22:49
I just found this out. Showing off his warehouse.
22:52
Jack's taking a leak. I'm OK with that.
22:55
No problem. OK.
22:56
Inside the warehouse. Yeah, there could be a little
22:58
disrespectful, but it basically has to be completely redone.
23:01
Remodeled, I guess. But Bobby drinks half of a beer
23:06
and just smashes it on the ground.
23:08
This. Go get a real drink.
23:09
Yeah, I don't argue. Let's go get a real drink.
23:11
Here on board. At that time, 2500 hundred
23:16
percent. But I hate broken glass.
23:20
Totally disrespectful. Let's go to the other thing of
23:22
like, do these people even like each other?
23:24
It's obnoxious. Yeah, it's rude.
23:26
That's the Wahlberg effect. Is that written or was that ad
23:29
libbed? Let me do it, guys.
23:30
Let me break the glass. It's like, I believe that it
23:32
could be either. That's the attitude he's got in
23:34
everything I've ever seen him in, or every interview I've ever
23:36
had or anything. Apparently he's actually a
23:38
really nice guy. He's always asking how your mom
23:40
is, and that's a very nice thing to ask.
23:42
How's your mother? How is mom?
23:47
Very sweet guy, but they do go to the bar as promised.
23:53
Yeah, have some. Stiff drinks.
23:55
That's right, you go knock on a couple doors.
23:57
Well, it's the least they could do, that's all.
23:59
Bartender gives them some Intel. The one line I didn't like of
24:02
this scene, it's not very long. It's just to give us an idea
24:05
there might be more to the story.
24:06
And they don't believe Green will do the job.
24:09
Or Fowler for that matter, which I think is a little stupid, is
24:16
are you going to go shoot up the town?
24:17
And Angel says, why not? If you say that after, why not
24:23
knock on some doors? Sure, sure.
24:26
Why not shoot up the town? I don't know.
24:28
It's Detroit. Let's not forget that, which
24:31
Andre does make clear. And this leads us to a whole set
24:35
of scenes which the boys, the brothers are investigating,
24:39
trying to get to the. Real heart of the matter.
24:40
Here, the real heart, the real heart of the matter.
24:43
We talk, it's time. It's.
24:45
That's right. And it turns out they're going
24:47
to do the gas thing. Yeah, which everybody seems to
24:50
understand. They get it.
24:51
Listen, that delivery of Wahlberg making fun of Jack,
24:55
which is a theme which I absolutely love throughout the
24:58
whole movie. Whole movie?
24:59
Yeah. Are we gonna do the dance thing?
25:02
I just love that delivery. Sure.
25:04
It's seeing Wahlberg for a split second, not really being
25:07
Wahlberg. Or be so self serious that he
25:09
allows himself to be a little, yeah, little whiny, but only.
25:13
Yeah, I don't know. It's a sweet moment.
25:15
Well, I don't know about that, but it's definitely a moment.
25:18
Have you been to a gang hideout? That's my real question.
25:21
I want to get to the root. Of no, I don't think so.
25:24
I mean I could have been not unknowing maybe maybe, but there
25:29
a lot of traveling I mean it's possible this is a big one.
25:31
It is. It's.
25:31
Huge gas smells, but diesel smells worse.
25:35
Did you know that? I don't know if I've ever
25:37
smelled. Diesel.
25:38
I worked at a gas station, you know, that was one of the best
25:41
gas jockeys, yeah, the world has ever seen.
25:43
Yeah. Trophies.
25:44
Yes, but for bowling. We'll get to that later, but I'd
25:49
spilt some diesel on my boots and I was still going to school
25:52
and I was on the bus. I'm like, Oh my God, this whole
25:55
bus Bobby smells like diesel. Wow, it's me and the diesel.
25:59
Diesel's brutal. I love the smell of gas when
26:01
it's being pumped, like I love that.
26:04
But once it gets on something, it's no good and also burns if
26:07
you light it. And that seems to be their.
26:09
Stick. That's their milieu, if you.
26:11
Will so they get this guy that allegedly is involved or knows
26:15
who might be involved and gives them a.
26:18
Little bit of information. Yeah, information.
26:20
Yes, he's got an alibi. Wasn't me.
26:22
Because they said it's got to be a setup from the cops because
26:25
that woman, she was killed at like 11:30 and those courts end
26:28
at 10. That's right.
26:30
And Wahlberg says what the fuck are you talking about?
26:34
He looks at his watch first, though.
26:36
Luckily it's around 10. Right, close by, let's go for a
26:38
walk. You and me.
26:40
And he takes them there. And this is actually a scene I
26:42
don't mind. I actually like this scene, the
26:44
way it plays. Just dive into it.
26:46
There's not a lot to it. But I do like the effectiveness
26:49
of the ticking clock. We know really what's going to
26:52
happen. Of course.
26:53
I thought it's laid out very well.
26:55
The tension is there and allowing it to go 1001 or what
26:59
have you before it drops. I actually feel the performances
27:02
by the guy that's terrified. Yeah, but I don't like, of
27:06
course. Is that right?
27:06
After it's undercut, it immediately turns into vulgarity
27:10
and like, go fuck yourselves and spitting on I'm gonna beat your
27:13
mother and you know. All they just can't help it.
27:15
Yeah, and I get it. That's the characters, that's
27:16
the movie, that's the tone. So it's not really bothersome
27:19
other than just like, here's a moment that I was kind of like,
27:21
that's pretty good. Then it just goes right into
27:23
I'll beat your ass Tarnished. Yeah, like a retread of that
27:26
same tone. Yep, tone setter.
27:29
Totally. So once we've established that
27:31
it couldn't be the way that they think it is or they've been told
27:34
it is, they gotta go back. They gotta talk to the store
27:38
owner and they watch the footage.
27:40
They do. And I don't know, and maybe it
27:43
wasn't clear. I don't know if you can help me
27:45
out. I'd love to, but I.
27:46
Never really got the impression at this point why they were so
27:51
set on the fact that this was a murder.
27:53
I like a hit job like a specifically like.
27:56
They are. Or after her.
27:58
I don't see that at this point really kind of at all in the
28:02
movie. Did you pick up on?
28:03
That it is a little weak? Please.
28:05
It is a little weak. My main gripe about it is if you
28:08
recall the very opening scene, they rob the guy, shoot him,
28:14
which causes her to make a little bit of a noise.
28:17
That's right, She gasped. Or something.
28:19
So, oh, there's somebody else in this room.
28:20
Yeah, that's right. But they're after her.
28:23
Theoretically. In theory, yeah.
28:26
So their reaction felt so real and genuine in that very first
28:30
scene. It's tricking the audience and I
28:33
don't. Appreciate that.
28:34
No, I don't mind that she is a target.
28:36
Sure makes sense they're going after her, but the delivery of
28:39
it is weak. I think that now you mentioned
28:43
that I believe when they're watching the screen, Wahlberg of
28:46
course is because he figures out everything he's the one that's
28:48
looking at and he says it doesn't make any sense.
28:50
They already have the money. Valid point.
28:52
But not really, because in these, I mean, thousands of
28:55
movies we've watched, the killers are killers.
28:58
The killers are there. They're trying to rob the place.
29:00
They didn't have to kill the guy they.
29:02
Just want the money, but they killed the guy and then
29:04
therefore that means somebody saw them kill the guy.
29:07
So they have to kill the guy who saw them kill the guy, right?
29:09
Or the girl. So frankly, that's real life.
29:12
So it has nothing to do with any of the plot that the movie
29:15
starts to pile on it from this move it forward.
29:18
And he walks out. It's a set up, yeah.
29:20
That's like this is set up why they go after mom.
29:22
We got to tear this down. They do, but.
29:24
Sure, and it turns out that she is set up.
29:26
But none of that makes any real sense.
29:28
It's a knock against it. Agreed, it's all we have to have
29:31
a reason. Yeah, and that is a funny thing.
29:33
We have these conversations and sometimes when you watched the
29:37
movie back then, yeah, the same things that bother you then
29:40
bother you now sometimes because you've watched it several times.
29:45
We have the SBR effect where you do start to point out things
29:48
like this didn't bother me the first time I watched it, but it
29:52
does now. This always bothered me that we
29:56
are misdirected as an audience. It's like a retcon its own
29:59
movie. Like it's.
29:59
Yeah, but the self retcon, Yeah, it bothersome.
30:02
What I think is interesting about what you just said is it's
30:04
also true the reverse, which is. Say like it never bothered me
30:07
before and it never bothered me still, and you can go the other
30:10
way. It starts to sour.
30:11
Sometimes you sweeten, sometimes you sour a little bit.
30:13
Regardless, we have to find a guy that's not wearing a jacket
30:16
and sweatpants. That's the tip we get from the
30:19
owner. That's what we get, yeah.
30:20
To continue this investigation and I think that description.
30:24
Is in that neighborhood. In that neighborhood you can
30:26
locate that. Sure.
30:28
And we, you and I Mosey on over to the gymnasium.
30:33
This scene is fucking crazy. It's great.
30:36
It's so fucking great so. Detroit, am I right?
30:39
Have you ever been to No Great Airport?
30:42
Yeah, I bet I. Say something nice about this
30:45
scene because I can't. Wahlberg has fun with this.
30:48
He's got the rock now. He's got the rock.
30:50
The fuck? Something about him not giving a
30:53
shit in this scene. Shooting guns isn't high school.
30:58
Sure he didn't shoot it. It could be plastic, you don't
31:03
know. Catherine.
31:05
Could be Cap gun, I recognize the silliness of that, but
31:10
because Wahlberg is just over the top and ends the scene with
31:14
a sound like he's Muslim all of a sudden and the way he just
31:19
throws the ball backwards, I get a kick out of it.
31:21
Sure, you know, it's just the Wahlberg mystique.
31:25
Embrace it is what I'm saying. Embrace it.
31:27
Phil. I picked this movie before
31:30
watching Wonder Boys. Course I have no idea.
31:33
Planned out months ago. What's happening there?
31:37
We get another dog. Biting scene.
31:41
Yeah, same like might have been same like.
31:44
What are the odds, Phillip? Never would have guessed.
31:46
I do love the dog chewing the leg and trying to chew and the
31:51
guys like. Don't shoot my dog, What do you
31:52
expect? Yeah, exactly.
31:54
It's pretty funny, playful. It's a little playful, but
31:58
ultimately, of course, they catch up with.
32:00
Him, yeah, ain't dead, just fucked up.
32:02
Just fucked up. Cut the Rope, he falls down.
32:05
They just know. Judging by the distance, yeah,
32:07
they should know. They're thugs.
32:08
That's right. This is what they know.
32:10
This is. Their This is their.
32:10
World, what's up? Enough information to keep this,
32:14
to keep this eventually, to keep this investigation alive.
32:17
Yeah, Moving on to the next tier of thugs.
32:21
We're moving up the thug ladder. That's right, as it were.
32:23
Which takes us to one of your favorite places.
32:25
Casino Alright. I do love the casino, almost
32:29
went the other day. Good for you, For, you know,
32:31
seeing. Strong.
32:32
Now that I've got the OG app, it's like I don't even need.
32:34
To go Oh yeah, Luckily, much like the guy that doesn't wear a
32:38
winter jacket, this guy has a very distinct beard.
32:42
Look a little you know what I'm? Talking.
32:44
I do, absolutely, you know, and listeners do.
32:46
Yeah, So he could point him out in a room.
32:49
Absolutely. Which leads us to a showcase
32:51
scene. Phil, showcase.
32:53
This is one of those examples of a scene I really liked the first
32:57
time. But this time I'm like, they
33:00
blow a tire. I don't think you're keeping up
33:03
the speed. It's just too big of a scene.
33:06
Yeah, because I like it. I actually enjoyed this.
33:08
It shot well. It shot well.
33:10
The snow adds the extra element. Good cutting, good editing.
33:13
Yeah, like I was like, I'm into this, but same like you're just
33:15
saying just like do you need to lose a car, lose a hood, lose a
33:18
wheel, lose a roof, lose the windows and still come out
33:22
ahead? At it becomes to the point where
33:24
I don't. Believe almost comical by the
33:26
time it's over. Which kind of takes away from
33:28
what they were trying to do because I think doing it in the
33:30
snow, totally slipping in a slide in.
33:33
That's opportunity 100%, and I think that's ultimately some of
33:35
the stuff in the movie which we'll get to.
33:37
But throughout it's like, take something that is reasonable,
33:41
let's say, and then just amp it up two notches and it becomes
33:45
too much. Even 1 notch would be acceptable
33:48
and Wahlberg is the same. It's like if he kept his stuff
33:51
in check, yes, you'd be like, OK, you know, he's a little hype
33:54
strong, but that one notch is enough to kind of he's the alpha
33:58
again it. Show that vulnerability just for
34:00
a moment. But he wants 3 notches at every
34:02
scene and so it's like the car. And he is the car, yeah.
34:06
But it just goes one step and those guys aren't going anymore
34:10
steps. Because there are no, they're
34:12
not going to talk. Yeah, not going to talk.
34:15
Jack didn't like it. Nobody likes it.
34:16
I think Mark likes it. He doesn't care.
34:18
At the very least, he's indifferent.
34:20
That's right, an Angel. You don't care.
34:22
Sure, we'll shoot whoever. We're Andre 335 hundred.
34:26
He's been upgraded and Jack were like, we're bad, but we're not
34:31
killing. Bad.
34:31
Yeah, we don't do that. Yeah, we don't do that.
34:33
So I think that's evident through Jack's reaction.
34:43
There's a bigger scene with a really badass character coming
34:46
U, but I cannot skip the moment where we see Wahlberg in a rope.
34:53
Oh, that's right, last week, Grady Trip writes in his.
34:57
Robe frilly number. Yeah, what a coincidence.
35:01
It's hilarious. It is a weird.
35:02
Coincidence. That's the only reason I bring
35:04
it up is back-to-back weeks with a dude wearing I think a
35:08
feminine robe. I think.
35:10
I think Wahlberg's robe is better.
35:11
It is. I think it's sticker in here
35:13
thicker. I don't think it's thicker, I
35:15
know it feels like it's more of a.
35:16
Cashier thing is definitely, definitely shinier, yeah.
35:19
But I think the cotton, I think is what grade he's wearing.
35:22
And the other part of that scene is just Fowler trying to do the
35:25
old hair follicle trick. Oldest one in the.
35:27
Books that am I right? Right, but he's on to it, so.
35:30
I don't have a lot of follicles left.
35:33
But let's take a trip. Let's go to the restaurant.
35:36
I'm a little famished. You are famish.
35:37
You look famished. Clearly you've had some issues
35:41
with the film so far. Totally.
35:43
Yeah, a little bit, yeah, not a lot, yeah.
35:45
I'm thinking if anybody can turn it around a little bit and reel
35:49
you back in, it's the performance of the actor playing
35:53
Victor Sweet. I can't say the name Chiwetel
35:55
Ejiofor. Thank you.
35:57
I was scared shitless of this guy the first time I watched.
36:01
This is the best. He's a very good bad guy.
36:02
He's excellent actor generally. He's great in Dirty Pretty
36:05
Things, which is his first movie.
36:07
I saw him in Children of Men, which is excellent in He played
36:10
Red Belt in the David Mamet movie.
36:12
He's been around. He's in a bunch of things.
36:15
I think this guy, to me, conveys so much more threat with, well,
36:20
with what he's bringing to the table.
36:21
You're like this guy. His demeanor, his guys gonna.
36:24
Fuck you up, OK? And Wahlberg just wants everyone
36:26
to know that he's gonna fuck you up.
36:27
Wahlberg's gonna punch you. Yeah, hit you.
36:30
This guy is going to feed. You.
36:32
Yeah, to an animal. That's right.
36:34
You know what I mean? Choppy and a little pieces.
36:36
All those things. This guy and things to do in
36:38
Denver when you're dead. This guy would fit in with the
36:41
walk-in of it all. Yeah, sure.
36:43
So much so that these are people that work for them.
36:46
And he talks about how he wanted outside shooters, and that's a
36:49
good request. 100% and he gets inside computers really pissed
36:52
off. About it?
36:52
Not good. And Evan's hungry as well.
36:56
Yeah, pasta. Bad timing.
36:57
Bad timing wins the award. Luckily, there is a rule.
37:03
It's 5 seconds. Yeah, that's true.
37:05
So if the food is on the floor, you're OK.
37:07
He's OK. His wife.
37:10
That's about 15 seconds. That's 15 seconds.
37:12
And poor woman. Yeah.
37:14
So it's humiliating and degrading and sad, but you're
37:18
like, this guy means it. And he's the best performance in
37:21
the movie. Other than Wahlberg, we can all,
37:23
we can all agree to lighten things up a little bit if we
37:27
want to go back a month or so. We did Varsity Blues Truth and
37:31
Paul Walker, Ali Larter. That's right.
37:33
And a dryer. Yes.
37:35
That's right, now we get Tyrese Gibson.
37:37
Yep, Sofia Vergara, La La la and the dryer.
37:43
Of course I don't have the same dryer.
37:45
She's saying I already said it to this.
37:48
We go for 16 again. Yeah, yeah, she's raring.
37:51
And like a bad commercial, we're interrupted by State Farm.
37:56
And this puts a little suspicion on Jerry, your boy.
38:01
Introduces this insurance. Yeah, that's a lot of money.
38:04
Sure, but 400,000 bucks. So I understand the suspicion.
38:08
See, this is the thing we talked about a couple of weeks ago,
38:10
right? Which is like Batman or John
38:13
McLean. It's like you've saved the world
38:16
and now you're dead. To me.
38:18
These guys presumably are brothers.
38:20
They've forged in this family thing.
38:23
They're whole demeanor is these are the four brothers.
38:26
One guy makes one comment about one insurance claim and all of a
38:31
sudden it's Jeremy's a bad apple.
38:35
He's suspicious. I think he's on to something.
38:37
He screwed something over. It's Jerry.
38:39
Jerry or Jeremiah, not Jeremy. I said it's about 40 times
38:43
guess, but hopefully the listeners have only heard three
38:46
by this. Point.
38:47
So you don't delete them. So you don't think that exchange
38:50
is enough even to be a little suspicious because they don't go
38:52
right to oh, he's the bad guy. Could ask the question, I
38:55
suppose. Yeah, they're just a little
38:57
suspicious. But I think that it's not
38:58
something that is so on natural that there would be.
39:02
That's a lot of money, man. Sure, but that's what insurance
39:05
is. Yeah.
39:06
Right. Like if I die tomorrow there's
39:08
gonna be $550,000 or something. Yeah.
39:11
But if recently your insurance changed and I get $400,000, all
39:15
of a sudden that's a little. Suspicious.
39:18
OK, I guess there's been some changes and they don't go, like,
39:22
right to Jerry, we're going to kill you right away.
39:25
They do their due diligence. It's just.
39:27
Yeah, I guess it felt like the suspicion was too high too
39:30
quickly, considering that's his. Brother, yeah, you're jumping
39:33
the gun. They've jumped.
39:35
I'm just you're jumping guns. It might be a triple action
39:38
Beretta, which they find it's a hell of a hell of a gun.
39:42
OK, Did you enjoy seeing that in?
39:45
Beach, though, I always do. I know you always do.
39:47
I love the beach. Flags of our fathers, Sure.
39:49
When talkers. When Talkers Classic.
39:52
All Canadian boy my. Movies, that's true yeah, I'll
39:55
see you bringing out of beach off the.
39:56
Beach fan than I am this. Is a small role for him though.
39:59
Totally. You could literally got anybody
40:01
to do this. Yeah, it's an odd choice.
40:03
Maybe just wants to be. Yeah, maybe you just needed a
40:06
job. Sure.
40:06
Yeah. OK.
40:07
I don't know when those two other movies came out, but I
40:09
think earlier. Yeah, but.
40:10
He he drops a name. Yes, he does.
40:12
Douglas, Dougie. Dougray.
40:14
Dugan, Dougie. Councilman, it's just Douglas,
40:18
OK? All right?
40:19
He looks like a dog as he does not look like a Dougie, right?
40:23
And there's some dialogue here that I've not quite clicking
40:28
with, like you're paying off somebody, you're shutting it
40:31
down. He's in with the bad guys.
40:34
I get it. I guess it's too much plotting
40:37
to me a little bit. It starts to feel like we're
40:39
getting a little convoluted for the type of movie this movie is
40:42
it, and it's only $1.50. Like it's really not.
40:45
When I watched the second time, it all made more sense.
40:48
But the first few times I watched, like, I really don't
40:50
know what Jerry's involved. With I don't think it's very
40:53
clear, to be honest with you. I just don't think it matters.
40:55
Is the problem. It's in the mix, but it's, to me
40:57
just so convoluted, you know, I just watched a movie in the
41:00
theatre. It was a mystery Monday.
41:02
Oh, and so you don't know what it is.
41:04
I've heard about. This and all I knew going in was
41:06
it's in the thrills and chills categories and it is an 18 a
41:09
movie and R rated You like that? I was like I'm in and it was a
41:13
movie called Sisu Road to Revenge.
41:16
Never heard of it. Me neither.
41:17
But it's a finished movie and it's a sequel to another movie
41:21
which I had never seen. But effectively, this guy gets
41:23
wronged and he spends the rest of the movie on a revenge tour.
41:27
So like a Charles Bronson film a little bit?
41:30
And the simplicity of that, it was very violent.
41:32
It was very gory. It was this, but specifically
41:34
the simplicity of this story. Like John Wick?
41:36
Very. Something like that.
41:38
You can make that movie where you don't need the plot to be
41:42
elaborate or to have these side tangents and stuff.
41:45
So to me, this bit of business with Jerry.
41:49
And. The insurance claim and the
41:52
money and who's involved and when did this and is, he says
41:56
all the suspicion stuff. I just don't like the movie
41:58
needs it and it slows a movie down despite the fact that it's
42:02
$1.50 and isn't paced poorly. It's just it's like this whole
42:05
section, I'm like, I don't need any of this and it doesn't make
42:08
much sense to. Me.
42:09
I used to think that way. Grown up, came around.
42:12
There's still hope for you. You need to watch this probably
42:14
a couple more times. It could be you'll get it or pay
42:16
more attention to that particular plot.
42:18
It just felt like it wasn't delivering.
42:20
I think he nodded. Off and I didn't know it off,
42:22
but I didn't care. They gotta care.
42:24
Do you care about the? Lawyer.
42:25
I love the lawyer that's a Canadian guy.
42:27
Is he? There he go.
42:29
Couldn't tell his name but I know Canadian face when I see.
42:31
It they found a camera, he's on it with Ellen.
42:36
Her name eluded me the whole time.
42:38
Missus Mercer. Mercer.
42:40
So they're going to pay him a visit.
42:42
This is the point of the movie where I have tagged Sophie as a
42:48
femme Francis. That's she's deal.
42:51
She's been annoying the whole time.
42:53
I know it's her character, I know it's her role.
42:55
Wahlberg's character doesn't help those scenes at all because
42:59
he's being equally annoying. Truth.
43:01
But she comes to the house. You're breaking in all this and
43:04
just like, oh, shut up. She's, yeah, really naggy,
43:07
really loud, really boisterous. Yeah, I agree.
43:10
She's. Miserable.
43:10
It's just really annoying and it's unnecessary for this scene.
43:14
Well, hold that thought. Hold it.
43:18
Anyways, the lawyer was just a little embarrassed.
43:20
It's not much to that scene. No, it's a realization that
43:22
they're together. Yeah, I don't think that scene
43:24
needs to exist. What does need to exist in this
43:27
movie is Bobby taking a shit. The worst in the.
43:30
Movie best scene in the movie Oh, I don't know, it's just it's
43:35
funny we have a guy who does not give a shit or is giving a shit
43:40
but doesn't give a shit the fact that people see him, he's got no
43:44
shame. Jackson, those shower.
43:46
Yeah, which you do not shower someone taking a shit.
43:48
That's a bad smell. This is what I'm.
43:50
Talking about what are we talking?
43:51
About yeah, Jack, bad timing. Maybe Jack was already in the
43:54
shower and Wahlberg like I don't give a fuck, this is my house.
43:57
Doesn't seem to care. Doesn't seem to care.
43:59
Reading the newspaper. As you do back in 2005, 2005,
44:04
now your Candy Crush. Tyrese and his escapades has him
44:07
thinking something's wrong down there and another gay joke Jack.
44:12
He looks at it. Just rugburn.
44:13
Look allergist colleges. Exactly.
44:16
I don't know, I just love the nonchalance of a guy on a
44:20
shitter and doesn't care what people are there.
44:22
Well, I mean, this shit doesn't say it's Tyrese's nonchalance
44:25
that is the most interesting here.
44:27
Just like, hey, check out my cock, guys.
44:29
Yeah. Roses look like they're
44:31
brothers. Sure.
44:32
I think she don't stick the dumbest.
44:34
I think that's the take away. That is the take away that is
44:37
fair. Mark Wahlberg.
44:38
Just don't say. It actually sounds very good.
44:40
Yeah. I'm the king of finesse.
44:42
Yeah, wait for me. Yeah, and he's got no toilet
44:45
paper. Get me toilet paper.
44:46
I don't know. It's just so organic.
44:51
I'm glad you liked it. I'm glad you liked this movie.
44:53
I'm sorry, did I feel this scene in particular?
44:55
It was one that I was like, oh, this is too far.
44:57
Yeah, you're not taking this out for the world.
44:59
We're gonna go back to a classic, though.
45:01
Of course. Please.
45:01
The gasoline move old school. Yeah.
45:05
And This is why I kind of pushed back to you on the Jerry
45:08
suspicious stuff because Tyrese is playing it cool.
45:10
Like, I'm going to continue to look into that.
45:12
I'm not going to tell you because you're a hot head and
45:15
I'm not convinced Jerry is bad. You go check out this Douglas
45:19
guy, the Councilman, and they do the guests.
45:22
The gas that did the gas thing, yeah.
45:25
And what I love about this scene, Phil, you're, you're not
45:28
gonna argue on this one is the way Douglas says gas, gas.
45:36
I'm not doing it justice. Watch it again.
45:38
It's a real treat. Guess yes.
45:41
It's like, why does he smell gas?
45:42
Well, we know why. Of course it's the gas thing.
45:44
And he gives up Victor Sweet. So pretty quick, so fast.
45:49
Not a good sign. No, not for him.
45:51
Going to be a bit of an issue, Not gonna end well.
45:53
Meanwhile, Jerry's cashing a check, we get Fowler on film,
45:57
and we get to enjoy your favorite sport.
46:00
What's my favorite? Sport 10 pin bowling.
46:02
Oh shoot, that is my second. Favorite this is not only are
46:06
our movies very different to what we like.
46:09
I'm 5 pin, you're 10 pin. Sure.
46:12
Yeah, yeah, I got bigger balls. I'd get that checked out if
46:16
they're that big. I have trophies, yes.
46:20
For five pin. Yeah, got some high scores in
46:22
there. I'm still good.
46:23
I like to play more. Hmm.
46:25
I like small balls and I'm not ashamed of it.
46:28
I don't think you should be. But they think Jerry should be
46:30
ashamed for giving some money to Evan.
46:32
That's really what I'm getting at.
46:33
Yeah, again, whatever. Once you write it out on a piece
46:36
of paper, which I recommend you doing afterwards, little
46:38
homework for you, it all does make sense.
46:41
OK, Just like Evan wearing a Dickerson jersey.
46:46
Cool stickers. He's a Colts running back just
46:49
before my time. OK.
46:50
Which adds up because of Evan's age in 2005.
46:54
Sure, I'm buying it. Is it because his name is
46:56
Dickerson? No.
46:58
You're so immature, Phil. Colts are having a great year.
47:02
That's important to know. This year or this year?
47:05
This year, Maybe in 2005, Douglas is about to have a bad
47:09
year. Yeah, he's not having a good
47:12
time. Have you ever sat at the kids
47:14
table? I've asked you a question for a.
47:17
While yeah, no. I would as an adult with lack of
47:20
space cause I just get along with the kids I.
47:22
Rather have those conversations. I agree.
47:24
It's sometimes it's a little more fun.
47:26
My nieces and nephews back in the day, like, yeah, absolutely.
47:28
Young cousins for sure. Do you Would you have preferred
47:31
Douglas to be killed on screen? Are you OK with this?
47:34
I always want the applications on screen personally, but it's
47:38
such a nothing character in the end.
47:39
It's just there to name a name. Name name.
47:42
Name, so it's fine. What I would have enjoyed a
47:45
little bit more is we've already seen Chadwell be so.
47:49
Bad. Like rude and mean spirited and
47:51
angry that I would like to see the more like humiliating the
47:55
two earlier I would have liked to see the violent side.
47:57
Let's say sure, let's see how. Seem in action.
48:01
Yeah, like cut to him in a dumpster or something.
48:05
What? Before we exit that scene, one
48:07
of his workers is getting hitched.
48:10
Congratulations, she's Italian. This is, again, more verbal
48:14
stuff. Totally.
48:15
But, you know, maybe we can teach how to cook.
48:17
But he's referring to teaching a few things in the sack, Sending
48:20
him out of town. I'm gonna basically bang your
48:22
wife. Yeah, over.
48:23
And you have to share. Yeah, that's a little.
48:25
Much. Yeah, Obviously that pays off
48:27
later, but the implication is, yeah, this guy is just a
48:29
monster, right? He just doesn't care.
48:31
He wants everything. There's no end insight.
48:34
Insatiable. That's right.
48:35
It fits the character and I think the performance.
48:37
You're like, I buy everything I feel.
48:39
Those eyes totally Jesus. Jesus.
48:42
When we go from Chadwell's eyes to Wahlberg's eyes, who's got
48:45
that upset face all the time? But he's calm.
48:48
But he says he's calm. We can watch.
48:50
He's fidgeting. He's got his eyes in a frown.
48:53
He's just ready to go and Tyrese is saying yo bro, chill.
48:56
His family's in there, you know. Yeah, come on, take it easy.
48:59
Cause he just wants to get Jerry.
49:00
He just wants to have it out. He looked like a cucumber to me.
49:06
OHP man. But we get now.
49:08
Cue the exposition cause we have to tie a bow off this sort of
49:11
bullshit plot line that's already been.
49:13
Created Yeah, this is the next morning yeah, Jerry has agreed
49:16
to come over and. Hash it out, I guess He doesn't
49:19
know. He doesn't know.
49:20
He just asked for him. He's not been around.
49:22
Here he's the brother. And he tries to explain I paid
49:26
her bills. That's very good, Andre. 3000
49:30
sounds warm like 2500, but. I love him in this movie,
49:33
actually think he's really good. Yeah, strangely not really good,
49:35
but I think he's good. Solid.
49:37
Yeah. More so than I would have
49:38
expected a guy from Outkast, you know?
49:40
But yeah, so that sequence where he explains his insurance thing
49:45
and I paid her bills, it's all good and don't worry.
49:47
About it, you gotta pay the tolls.
49:48
That's the 20,000 with Devin. Explains the stuff with sweet.
49:52
Basically catches everybody up to where we are.
49:56
And meanwhile, yeah, exactly this meeting is cut short by, I
50:00
guess, a Door Dash. It's all the thing on tik.
50:03
T.O.K yeah. As actually resulted in the same
50:05
thing. Yes.
50:06
Actually quite the same thing. But don't do it.
50:09
Don't do it. We have Jack, who, in the midst
50:13
of all of this, thinks I need to leave.
50:16
I need to chase after this kid. Yeah, that's the question is why
50:19
do little too upset too. Upset, too eager to just run
50:23
out. Especially Jack, because we've
50:25
established at this point he is the chill, the chiller,
50:29
childlike, docile young kid. So.
50:32
Now, when it comes to snowballs. I guess so.
50:34
The level by which she's aggravated is a little
50:38
ridiculous and. Ultimately really doesn't pay
50:41
off well for him now he gets shot.
50:43
He does in the shoulder produce, specifically shoulder ish.
50:47
What sort of the issue in there? Did you expect that to happen
50:50
the first time? Like you, caught off guard.
50:52
I was completely caught off guard.
50:54
OK, yeah, tell me more. This is a pretty epic scene when
50:57
I first watched it because we haven't really had a ton of
51:00
action. We've had a car chase, but
51:02
nothing's been intense. No gunfire since the opening,
51:04
really. Yeah, just random shots in a
51:06
gymnasium. It's no big deal.
51:08
Don't. Call the cops.
51:09
High school Jim. Yeah.
51:11
Now watching it the 4th, 5th time, it goes on a little long.
51:14
It's a little lengthy, yeah, so much.
51:16
They really do a number on that brick wall, like there's a giant
51:18
hole by the end. It's shot well though.
51:21
Sure. Like yeah, it's good.
51:23
Like the directions fine generally.
51:25
Yeah, and I think Jack's performance as someone who's
51:29
been shot yelling out for his brother is a really good.
51:33
Performance. I think so too.
51:34
Yeah, I was really impressed because he hasn't had a lot to
51:37
do. Correct.
51:38
Hey, you're dying now. Give us what you got.
51:40
Yeah. And he rises above, I think.
51:42
I agree. I think that ultimately he's
51:44
bringing something to the table that thus far we have not really
51:46
seen. Even though I like Andre
51:48
performance generally, he's not doing this.
51:50
And this is at least some level of emotion.
51:53
Emotion and so forth. I also was very surprised in the
51:56
back of my head, expected that one of them might die.
51:59
Yeah, just because it makes sense.
52:00
The type of movie and the scenarios and the scenes that
52:03
we're kind of building around it's.
52:04
Destroyed, I was going to say. That I kind of anticipated there
52:09
would be something, but I didn't really know what for who or even
52:12
when. So when this happens, you're
52:14
like, OK. But even then I was still taken
52:18
by surprise a little bit. So I was impressed by.
52:19
That I was sad. Did you cry?
52:21
I probably did like, not like. Mark did it surely in the movie,
52:26
but I probably got a little wet in the eyes when you cut.
52:29
Onions even wearing white. Yeah, even in a dream sequence.
52:34
I'm glad he's dead, though. Wow.
52:35
Yeah. Because otherwise it's just
52:37
these four people running roughshod on this entire city.
52:39
Yep. There's nothing that gets in
52:41
their way, you know? What compounds that is a a scene
52:44
where we have Green visiting Fowler now that he knows he's
52:48
dirty. That's right cause he never fill
52:49
out the police report. Exactly how do you know they've
52:51
been there for an hour? Pool room.
52:53
The queue is a little crooked. What a great way to say I know.
52:57
Pretty good scene. And him just snapping the queue
53:00
over him. And then, even more shockingly
53:03
than Jack's death is how quickly Fowler just shoots them.
53:07
And he's dead. Totally agree.
53:09
I was equally as heartbroken cause I love Terrence Howard,
53:12
sure. And I'm like, he's like the good
53:16
guy. Sure, he's a good.
53:17
Cop doing the doing the right things.
53:19
And it gutted me. Yeah, I didn't feel the emotion
53:22
side of it, but I definitely was shocked by how abrupt and how
53:27
little jostling. Just straight up, he's dead.
53:30
I really like that. The efficiency of that I thought
53:32
was really. Good.
53:32
Yeah, it's just coming off so quickly after Jack that I
53:35
haven't even. Processed.
53:37
Yeah, I was gonna say suggested, sure, but that works too.
53:40
Yeah, you haven't looked in a mirror.
53:42
Yet I tried not to look at a mirror at all.
53:43
It's for the best test. It is efficient, like you said,
53:47
because now we can have a dual cemetery scene.
53:50
That's right, two birds with one stone.
53:52
Buddy, save some money, save some time.
53:54
There you go. So effective.
54:04
What do you think about this plan?
54:05
Let me tell you, please, when I first watched this movie, I
54:09
loved the last 15 minutes of this movie.
54:11
Really. They don't tell us what they're
54:13
going to. Do no I like the guessing game.
54:15
I like to be in the dark sometimes, obviously at night,
54:18
usually just the TV. I'm similar to James Lear.
54:21
Shut the lights off. Yeah, me too.
54:23
I'll shower in the dark like my wife is like always turning on
54:25
the lights. And ironically, she hates when I
54:28
leave the light on when I'm not using it.
54:30
Sure, but don't turn it on. I don't need it on.
54:32
I can cook in the dark. Night vision like a cat.
54:34
The light is on now only so I can look at my notes, but during
54:36
the day everything is. Completely off.
54:38
I hear you, buddy. Yeah, I love the sun.
54:40
Go figure. You said this throughout the
54:42
summer. You don't.
54:43
Really like the sun? Well, sun doesn't like me.
54:45
There's a difference, buddy. There it is.
54:48
Anyways, I digress. I still love.
54:52
It OK, so the breakdown, Tyrese and Sophie, all the things talk
54:55
to. Me.
54:55
Yeah, there's more questions, obviously, as I've watched it
54:58
four or five times, the plausibility of everything, but
55:01
I think it holds up enough where I can say this is a great way to
55:06
to cap off this movie. OK, Cap off.
55:09
Yeah. Gun.
55:10
Yeah. So this being your first time
55:13
watching it, we can break it up into a couple sections.
55:17
We can do the Angel and Fowler, Yeah, side of things.
55:21
Let's just begin with that. If yeah it had real recruit
55:24
vibes. I wrote that down, Buckaroo.
55:28
I didn't much care for it. I did like the plastic bag over
55:31
his face. Good move.
55:32
And then talks about how people always go for the belt when they
55:35
should just go for the plastic. I thought was a clever,
55:37
interesting thing. Yeah, there we go.
55:40
But then it feels rushed that we've been building up to this
55:44
thing and so quickly Fowlers like, yeah, but So what?
55:46
It's like classic, like, James Bond thing, right?
55:48
Or whatever. It's so easy to get the
55:51
confession side of it. Yeah.
55:52
So what if I did kill your brother on Tuesday?
55:55
Yeah, sure, that could happen. It's just lucky that it did.
55:58
Yeah, it just feels a little contrived.
55:59
It's fine. It's performed well.
56:01
The I have got a wire thing is pretty you're a cop like you
56:04
should be checking these things a little bit.
56:06
What's? Funny is he keeps trying that
56:08
hair follicle trick and he falls for the fake wire.
56:11
Oldest trick in the book. They're not even first time ever
56:15
done. Oh, wow.
56:16
Yeah, questionable OG. Yeah, you're stats are wrong.
56:19
My issues with this movie have already pacified.
56:21
Yeah, right. It doesn't really elevate or to
56:24
tear it down. Doesn't make sense.
56:25
It doesn't make it worse. It doesn't actually.
56:27
I think it is fairly well executed.
56:28
It just sort of is like, whatever.
56:31
And then Sophie, I actually kind of thought, oh shit, she's
56:33
blowing it. Yeah, yeah, that's the whole
56:35
setup of her character. Really she's just ruining it
56:37
again, like. Good pay off.
56:39
But it pays off OK, so I don't mind that.
56:42
Who's next? Yeah, sweet, sweet, yes.
56:45
What a interesting, original way to have a final scene on the
56:51
ice, more or less. Not the final scene of the
56:53
movie, sure, but the final confrontation bringing down the
56:57
bad. Guy on the ice you.
56:58
Mean or just the way out in the ice, way out in the middle of
57:00
nowhere. I think it's cool.
57:03
I love it, guys. This is why we like these
57:05
movies, right? We love the slowness of it, the
57:08
iciness of it. So this is what we signed up
57:10
for. Yeah, I love this bit.
57:12
I like that. Finally, some of the
57:15
conversation, some of the dialogue, some of the exposition
57:18
starts to make some sense because Andre with his union
57:22
thing and the idea that he thinks he's got people with him.
57:26
So he does, and they all turn on him.
57:27
All of them, yeah. As an audience, that's not
57:30
revealed to us before. No.
57:31
Not at all. Which is the right play?
57:33
Totally. But is it conceivable?
57:35
Yeah, I think so. The problem is that all the
57:37
stuff with Jeremy doesn't Jerry. Jerry.
57:40
All the stuff with Jerry is so mundane, like the presentation
57:44
isn't interesting. All that insurance stuff, all
57:47
that union stuff, all that conversation doesn't really hit,
57:51
I don't think so that when you get to the end, you have to
57:54
connect some dots. Oh yeah, He was saying that he
57:56
was part of the. Before that happened I got 30
57:58
more than 30 bucks an hour buddy.
58:00
That's right. So I kind of like that it pays
58:02
out that way. And why wouldn't you correct
58:05
divvy up 400,000 a month these guys that you've clearly
58:08
mistreated. That's right.
58:09
And that's why you need that scene about the guys wife.
58:11
Agreed. Agreed.
58:12
Makes sense that they would turn on this fat ass.
58:14
Yeah, they would. Absolutely.
58:15
So I think it's good. The only problem with this whole
58:18
scene. Don't say it.
58:19
Is the Wahlberg effect I It doesn't make any fucking sense.
58:23
You have to agree with that, OK. First of all, I want you to calm
58:26
down, alright? Give me your calm look.
58:28
I'm calm, right? That's a long walk.
58:31
Yeah. From where?
58:32
Like came from town. From the timing of it, like
58:35
everything about this. Is the car is just out of the
58:38
shot? Yeah.
58:40
I agree it's ludicrous. But the payoff I allow.
58:44
It the hero shot Wahlberg. Shot.
58:46
Strutting his way up, I. Think the choice to end it with
58:52
a fist fight is fresh and just a better way to end it than just
58:58
shooting. I think certainly by comparison,
59:01
there's no more bullets left in the city, I don't think.
59:03
Exactly. Yeah, that's what I.
59:04
Mean we had the car chase we've had the shootout so yeah let's
59:07
go bare bones I. Mean the fight wasn't amazing.
59:09
Couple jabs, hook was a kidney punch, though unfortunately
59:13
that's against the. Rules it is.
59:15
They're blocking like Rocky out there.
59:18
But yeah, overall culmination, it makes some sense, but I
59:20
wondered if you caught a little Batman Returns action.
59:23
Here I did not. OK, well it's sweet, of course,
59:28
being taken to his doom in the ice.
59:30
Water as the end of the Penguins.
59:33
Yeah, I didn't tear up at this. One, no, I don't think you did
59:37
either. No, you're OK with this.
59:39
But it probably would have ended the movie better than what
59:41
happens next to me. Yeah, you're talking about the
59:44
interrogation? Yeah, I suppose that.
59:46
I mean, more specifically the real ending of the movie, which
59:49
we'll get to. OK, Yeah, you would add in the
59:51
movie. Here, basically, yeah, I don't
59:54
care about the interrogation. There's nothing.
59:56
Doesn't propel anything forward. It's just the boys being back to
59:59
being the. Voice.
1:00:00
Yeah, they never were. Not the boys.
1:00:01
Yeah, it's just the way the music changes.
1:00:04
OK? And it's like going back to what
1:00:05
the things were. OK?
1:00:07
I like the idea of it. Sure, they'll bang their moms.
1:00:10
Yeah, that's it I guess. It's like we really are
1:00:12
brothers. Beautiful, beautiful, but they
1:00:15
don't wrap it up there either. No.
1:00:17
Let's fix up the house, buddy. Yeah, need a chance to rebuild.
1:00:20
The reason this needs to be done, and I'll tell you right
1:00:22
now, I'll lay it out for you, please.
1:00:24
Way back during Turkey time, they all had a vision of Ellen
1:00:29
Mercer except for Wahlberg. Yeah, I don't really understand
1:00:32
why, but yes, you're. Right.
1:00:33
Why? This is why you at the very end
1:00:35
gets to have the last hallucination.
1:00:39
Being heard, banking it. Yeah, yeah, and has a nice
1:00:42
moment with the. Kids, I guess.
1:00:43
Keep it clean. Yeah.
1:00:45
Tight, tight passes. The real problem I had with the
1:00:49
scene and why I wish they didn't have it is wifes come out and
1:00:54
say you're done working. Come on in right?
1:00:57
It's the dead of winter. It gets dark at 5:00 at this
1:01:02
point. It's like 1. 3130 you got
1:01:04
another 3-4 hours of work to do here.
1:01:06
You got a house to rebuild? Yeah.
1:01:08
Gonna take some time. You're right.
1:01:09
That is kind of ludicrous. I also just didn't like, didn't
1:01:11
enjoy at all the stuff with his mom.
1:01:14
Did you enjoy that? Exchange the conversation.
1:01:16
It's a nothing. Burger I want that thing to be
1:01:19
something, but the lines that are exchanged, not that
1:01:22
interesting. You're gonna be around?
1:01:24
I think so. And that face, whatever his face
1:01:26
is doing in that moment, pisses me off even more than the angry
1:01:30
face that he does throughout the rest of the movie.
1:01:32
He just like his calm face. I don't know if I like any of
1:01:35
his faces, but in particular smirky :) he makes at the end is
1:01:39
just stupid. I just think like, you don't
1:01:41
have to have a movie with like a heart punch at the end, right?
1:01:44
I get it. But this whole movie has been
1:01:45
about this relationship and I don't feel like it any of this
1:01:49
relationship between any. Of them, no fellas.
1:01:50
Flat is last week. Yeah.
1:01:52
Wow. All right, David, this is it.
1:01:55
Final thoughts on the movie, Keeping it on the shelf.
1:01:58
Gonna watch it 10 more times. What's your story?
1:02:00
OHT definitely staying on the shelf.
1:02:02
I loved it the first time I watched it, liked it the second
1:02:04
time, liked the third time, and still like it.
1:02:06
Now, how many brothers do you want?
1:02:08
You have one. You want three more.
1:02:11
Two more anymore. When I want more, I watched this
1:02:13
movie. OK, these are my brothers.
1:02:15
I think the movie achieves what it wanted to do from a film
1:02:20
addict. Like this is what he wants to
1:02:21
do. Revenge movie, a little bit of
1:02:23
emotions and it's solid. I think it delivers that.
1:02:27
Is it an amazing movie? No it's not.
1:02:29
I recognize that. But I enjoy it and that's why it
1:02:33
has a place on my shelf. It's certainly not going
1:02:35
anywhere. I don't think it needs an
1:02:36
upgrade. Think of a 4K M out.
1:02:38
Played well for me From a DVD perspective.
1:02:42
I wouldn't invest in the movie more.
1:02:44
Gotcha. I probably would watch it again
1:02:46
in a few years. Like you, you would say it was
1:02:49
about 10 years between. You would probably say you
1:02:51
wouldn't wait another 10 to watch.
1:02:53
It it's hard to say, of course, we'll circle back.
1:02:55
Yeah, yeah, sure. More importantly, what are your
1:02:59
final thoughts? I Is it going on you're?
1:03:01
It's definitely not going on the shelf.
1:03:03
What if I bring in and hide it somewhere?
1:03:05
There were parts of the movie that I thought were better than
1:03:08
I thought they would be. OK.
1:03:10
And then there were parts where they were as bad as I thought
1:03:13
they might be because Wahlberg, generally speaking.
1:03:16
Yeah. And then there were parts that
1:03:17
were worse than I thought they should be.
1:03:19
Interesting. And that's kind of how I feel
1:03:21
about it so much. It just never really hit a tone.
1:03:25
It felt like it was a little jumbled together a tonally.
1:03:28
The plot is a little bit iffy. And it started to get too
1:03:31
convoluted, weird parts of the movie.
1:03:33
It just was like, why are we stopping to do this or talk
1:03:35
about this? Wahlberg is a degenerate.
1:03:38
He's what you expected. Yeah, everybody in the
1:03:40
supporting cast generally I liked, but the plot in the movie
1:03:45
itself kind of doesn't do anybody any favors.
1:03:47
Does a villain. Ohe Chewy.
1:03:48
Yeah. Would he have you watching this
1:03:50
movie ever again? Probably not because he's not in
1:03:52
it enough. If they had done more with him
1:03:54
and less of the chase sequence with the lower rung and then.
1:03:59
Just get to him quicker. All the steps, there was just
1:04:01
not enough scenes. You don't have to go through the
1:04:03
steps. Though I guess that's how you're
1:04:05
going to Syracuse movie The hierarchy, but the fact that
1:04:08
there is such a hierarchy going up to the police officer as well
1:04:12
for this little old lady feels like that's a much bigger deal
1:04:17
than I think an old lady would. Be it's a weak plot, I sure like
1:04:21
last week we didn't have one that's true, and now we have a
1:04:23
week 1 so. Overall an hour 40 it didn't
1:04:26
feel bad or having watched it but I will never.
1:04:28
Watch it again, that's all I need to hear.
1:04:29
You don't feel? Bad it wasn't like get me to the
1:04:32
end. I hate every moment of this but
1:04:34
by the end I was like I never want to see this again.
1:04:36
Solid 6. This is easily like a maybe a
1:04:40
403 actually. Probably.
1:04:43
Oh wow, great. I appreciate your candor.
1:04:44
Well, I appreciate you, David, and we appreciate the listeners.
1:04:47
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1:04:49
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1:04:58
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1:05:01
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1:05:02
this like they did with Ghostbusters for Sisters.
1:05:05
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1:05:07
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1:05:07
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