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Air Bud with Lindy West and Meagan Hatcher-Mays · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast, the questions ask if movies have women
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  Speaker 1: in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 2: Hello listeners, just jumping into the top of this episode
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  Speaker 2: for a reminder about our upcoming Midwest tour. We are
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  Speaker 2: so excited about this. We are coming to Indianapolis, Chicago, Madison,
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  Speaker 2: we have a show in Chicago on Sunday, August thirty.
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  Speaker 2: First following that is a show in Madison on September fourth,
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  Speaker 2: and then finally our Minneapolis show on September seventh. We
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. It's dogs can do anything?
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  Speaker 3: But should they? A question that will come up much today.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the Bechdel Cast Our. My name is Shamie
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  Speaker 3: Loftus woof.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Caitlin Deronte. This is our show where
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  Speaker 2: we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens, using the
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  Speaker 2: Bechdel test as a jumping off point.
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  Speaker 3: It feels silly, but you're you're going to be shocked
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  Speaker 3: at the things that come up today. I'm still recovering.
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  Speaker 3: I watched this movie three days ago and I've been
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  Speaker 3: thinking about it so much.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot to say it took us.
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  Speaker 3: So if you've been a longtime listener of the show,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like through this conversation you'll understand why it
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  Speaker 3: took us nine full years to cover this movie. We
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  Speaker 3: really had to know ourselves better. We needed to know
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  Speaker 3: the medium fully. Yes, we needed to have hard discussions.
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  Speaker 3: We needed to develop our skills as critics and grow
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  Speaker 3: as people before we could have the episode discussion that
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  Speaker 3: we're going to have today. It's our Airbud episode.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that our Flubber episode walked so
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  Speaker 2: that our Airbud episode could run.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because Flubber. There's a lot going on in Flubber,
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  Speaker 3: and you can listen to that episode. But I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have been emotionally prepared to have the Weinstein brothers introduced
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  Speaker 3: in the opening moments of the film five years ago
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  Speaker 3: when we covered Flubber. I think I needed the time personally.
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  Speaker 3: I needed to go through my Saturn return before I
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  Speaker 3: could have this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, yes, yes, exactly so we're covering Airbud and we're
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  Speaker 2: so excited about our guests today. They are two real
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  Speaker 2: life best friends and hosts of the podcast. Text me back,
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  Speaker 2: it's Megan Hatcher May's and Lindy West.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome.
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  Speaker 5: Yay, it's true. It's us to real life best friends.
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  Speaker 6: We are so excited to be here.
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  Speaker 2: I have you.
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  Speaker 5: We're so excited. Everything you've said about Araic Bud is
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  Speaker 5: like exactly what I have written down in my four
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  Speaker 5: to five pages of notes that I took while watching
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  Speaker 5: this film.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much going on. I well, first, okay, before
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  Speaker 3: we get into it, tell us a little bit about
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  Speaker 3: your podcast, because I know the conversation is going to
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  Speaker 3: get quite serious very soon. Oh yes, yes, of course.
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  Speaker 6: Our podcast is a very silly podcast about two best
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  Speaker 6: friends who live on opposite sides of the country, and
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  Speaker 6: we Megan works in politics and is very depressed, and
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  Speaker 6: so on the podcast we try to have a little
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  Speaker 6: bit of fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, love it.
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  Speaker 4: And I am not a serious person, and so a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the podcast is me coming to Megan with
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  Speaker 4: a news story. I heard parentheses a TikTok I saw
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  Speaker 4: about how there's an ice wall around Did you know
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  Speaker 4: that that the is flat and Antarctica is actually an
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  Speaker 4: ice wall around the rim of the Earth.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of people don't know that.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know that there previously had been a race
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  Speaker 5: of human dog hybrids, which somehow proves the existence of
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  Speaker 5: the flat earth ice wall.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, can they play basketball? Though?
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  Speaker 5: And the dog human hybrid's play basketball. We're about to
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  Speaker 5: find out.
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  Speaker 4: Well they can. The question of whether they can play
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  Speaker 4: basketball and whether they may play basketball, right, that's two
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  Speaker 4: different questions.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, yes, but yeah, we've been best friends since high
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  Speaker 5: school and which was twenty five years ago, twenty five
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  Speaker 5: beautiful years ago. And our show is just like stuff
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  Speaker 5: we think is really funny. It's really hard to describe,
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  Speaker 5: but it's like when you call your best friend and
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  Speaker 5: you don't really have anything on the agenda, and then
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  Speaker 5: you talk for two hours and then your tummy hurts
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  Speaker 5: from laughing. That's a text me back podcast guarantee. That's
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  Speaker 5: right now.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible, That sounds lovely and well. Unfortunately, though, if you're
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  Speaker 2: looking for fun and silliness on this episode on Airbud,
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  Speaker 2: you won't find it.
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  Speaker 5: Think again.
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  Speaker 3: Nope, the fund ends now because Meggan and Lindy what
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  Speaker 3: are your personal histories with Airbud, the movie, the franchise,
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  Speaker 3: et cetera.
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  Speaker 5: None. I have no history. I mean, I am clearly
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  Speaker 5: I'm aware of the existence of Airbud. I'm aware of
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  Speaker 5: a very poorly drafted middle school basketball handbook that, by
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  Speaker 5: virtue of its silence, allows dogs to play middle school basketball.
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  Speaker 4: Like I'm aware.
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  Speaker 5: I'm aware of the impact Arabud has had on our culture,
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  Speaker 5: but I've never saw I mean, we were fifteen, fourteen
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  Speaker 5: fifteen when this came out, so we're a little too
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  Speaker 5: cool and old to be watching Airbud, you know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean. And I figured it was just a silly
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  Speaker 5: children's movie, slash franchise, slash ip, you know, because now
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  Speaker 5: there's like a bunch of offshoots in the sequel he
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  Speaker 5: plays football.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently, one of many sequels.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, something to think about. So I didn't know what
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  Speaker 5: to expect going into this. I will say I was
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  Speaker 5: knocked flat on my when it was revealed that it
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  Speaker 5: was executively produced by Harvey Weinstein and I did not
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  Speaker 5: That was a major curveball for me.
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  Speaker 3: Really unpleasant.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, these things happen in Hollywood, baby, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, Lindy, how about you.
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  Speaker 4: It did not. We were not children anymore when it
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  Speaker 4: came out. I did not watch it. It was one
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  Speaker 4: of those things that you're just very aware of because
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  Speaker 4: it's an outlandish premise, you know, definitely a piece of
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  Speaker 4: pop culture that I was. That was in my vocabulary,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't think i'd ever actually seen it until yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: And it really, I mean, I know, we'll get into
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  Speaker 4: all this, but really contained a lot more evil clown
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  Speaker 4: and a lot less basketball than I had anticipated. You know. Also,
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  Speaker 4: I did not realize that this is a Pacific Northwest classic,
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  Speaker 4: and it is.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know that either. Yes, and I consider myself
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  Speaker 5: an encyclopedia of Pacific Northwest media. Yeah, because well we
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  Speaker 5: grew up in Seattle, for the record, and so were
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  Speaker 5: like ten things I hate about you.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously that was more our era.
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  Speaker 5: I had no idea that air Bud was a great
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  Speaker 5: Seattle company. I did not know that.
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  Speaker 2: So jealous, I'm so excited to talk about this movie
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  Speaker 2: with you. Having kind of no background with it. I
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  Speaker 2: sort of assumed that the reason you chose this movie
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  Speaker 2: is because you have a deep connection to it.
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  Speaker 5: No, we just thought it would be funny.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're true, and that's so valid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jamie, what's your history with the movie.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought I could have sworn I had seen
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  Speaker 3: this movie, but it turns out it was a case
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  Speaker 3: of cultural osmosis. I was four when this movie came out,
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  Speaker 3: so I was in fact the target demographic. So I
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  Speaker 3: guess I just assumed because these movies were so ubiquitous
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  Speaker 3: in the late nineties into the early two thousands, I
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  Speaker 3: knew all of the like spinoff titles off the top
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  Speaker 3: of my head. Now I don't wait, I got I
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  Speaker 3: have to pull up There's they're all so funny. Golden Receiver,
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  Speaker 3: Golden Receiver. There's one that says Airbud spikes back. That's
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  Speaker 3: the volleyball one. He's basically using the basketball skills. Again,
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  Speaker 3: not to criticize him, but whoa, let's be let's be serious. Also,
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  Speaker 3: not the original Airbud because he died.
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  Speaker 2: He died after the first one. Yeah, his final film.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, there.
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts about this, all right,
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  Speaker 3: Airbud World Pop, Airbud Seventh Inning, Fetch No, it turns
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  Speaker 3: out the movie that I did see that is somehow
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  Speaker 3: involved in the Airbud Expanded universe. Because it stars the
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  Speaker 3: same kid Slash eventually man Kevin Zeeker's Josh frim Is.
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  Speaker 3: I was thinking, I definitely saw and owned MVP Most
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  Speaker 3: Valuable Primate, which is about the chimpanzee that plays hockey.
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  Speaker 3: My dad as a hockey reporter, so that was the
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  Speaker 3: one that we owned. I assumed I'd seen Airbud and
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  Speaker 3: I and I could have sworn this is a movie
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  Speaker 3: about a dog that joins a basketball team. That is
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  Speaker 3: not what happens in the movie. It is more a
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  Speaker 3: serious family drama where a dog plays basketball a few times.
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  Speaker 3: I was so shocked at how willing to go there
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  Speaker 3: the movie Airbud. It starts there's it's like it's so
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  Speaker 3: it's really special because it's like it's directed like the characters,
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  Speaker 3: especially the adults, they are basically like Disney Channel adults
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  Speaker 3: where they're they're very cartoonisht they're very over the top,
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  Speaker 3: but they have very real world problems where it's like
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  Speaker 3: the goofy villain is struggling with alcoholism and it's obvious
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  Speaker 3: there is a goofy coach who turns out to be
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  Speaker 3: an abuser of children. Yeah, he's just whipping basketballs at
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  Speaker 3: this kid. It's just I just don't know, I have
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  Speaker 3: I have so many thoughts about what's going on. There
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  Speaker 3: is no real plot to the movie, except it seems
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  Speaker 3: like Josh is just trying to get through this year
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  Speaker 3: of his life and a dog becomes his father. Basically
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  Speaker 3: is what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Because his father died in exploded plane crash literally exploded.
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  Speaker 4: By the way.
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  Speaker 5: We find that out because Josh keeps a framed copy
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  Speaker 5: of an article about how his dad died. Like, oh,
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  Speaker 5: and it's not even just a picture of your dad,
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  Speaker 5: it's the open joshsh Josh is unpacking his room.
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  Speaker 4: They've moved to a new town. Yeah, he's unpacking his
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  Speaker 4: room and he pulls out a framed newspaper article that's
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  Speaker 4: like man.
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  Speaker 3: Explodes and it's his dad, but not his obituary.
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  Speaker 5: No, it's an article reporting the death.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Josh, like this poor kid and also one of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite tropes of kids movies, disappearing toddler younger sibling
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  Speaker 3: who actually becomes very important later in the franchise. She
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  Speaker 3: later becomes the leading character Andrea. Well anyways, she's.
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  Speaker 4: Also very important to this podcast because I believe she
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  Speaker 4: might be she might be involved in the only incidents
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  Speaker 4: test passing the Bechdel test.
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  Speaker 5: It's true, I have I have one other I have
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  Speaker 5: one other possibility, but we can get into that.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't mean to jump ahead, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't want to know.
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  Speaker 3: You're fine this movie, Yeah, this is ultimately, this is
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  Speaker 3: a great example of ultimately all movies are somehow about
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  Speaker 3: fathers and sons, no matter what the premise is, and
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  Speaker 3: air Bud is not an exception to that role. So anyways,
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  Speaker 3: it turns out I did. I had not seen this movie,
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  Speaker 3: and I was really I was a gog.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes way harder than you expect, and it's also,
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  Speaker 4: I think, way better than like this kind of movie made. Now.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like it's better written, it's better acted, it's
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  Speaker 4: better directed, and it would be true slop just filled
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  Speaker 4: with like product placement and like like the worst pop
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  Speaker 4: culture references, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 5: There are moments of like real comedy in this movie
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  Speaker 5: where I was.
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  Speaker 2: Like, there's some slapstick happening.
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  Speaker 3: The thing off and it looks good like the cinema.
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  Speaker 3: It's colorful, it's beautiful, Like I was very I don't
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  Speaker 3: know my fiance came in while I was watching it.
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  Speaker 3: He's like, why does Airbud look better than like most
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  Speaker 3: movies that come out now, Like, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know, it's shot on film or something shot on.
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  Speaker 3: Film, three million dollar budget, no excuses everyone, Your movie
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  Speaker 3: should look at least as good as Airbud.
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  Speaker 4: Practical effects. By the way, at the very end, it's
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  Speaker 4: like no special effects were used. Oh yes, dog basketball sequences.
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  Speaker 5: Airbud did all his own stunts, and that is so important.
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  Speaker 3: He's legend.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta put that down in the history books.
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  Speaker 3: He's a legend. I was really and we'll talk about Buddy.
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  Speaker 3: I was concerned when I was on the Wikipedia page
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  Speaker 3: and Buddy had his own Wikipedia page. You're like, this
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  Speaker 3: is either really good or really bad when an animal
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  Speaker 3: actor has their own Wikipedia page. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 3: the last animal actor we really talked about in any detail.
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  Speaker 3: Caitlin was Jimmy the Raven Oh from Ember him from
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  Speaker 3: from It It's a Wonderful Life and The Wizard of
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  Speaker 3: Our I was like.
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  Speaker 2: That Christmas movie you can't remember the name of.
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  Speaker 3: It, Christmas Week, But yeah, Buddy, Buddy's life is complicated.
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  Speaker 3: I feel for Buddy. We'll talk about it, Caitlyn, what's
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  Speaker 3: your history with Airbud?
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  Speaker 2: I am the only one who had seen this movie
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  Speaker 2: before brag. I definitely watched it a couple times as
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  Speaker 2: a kid. Although the dog movies that were a bigger
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  Speaker 2: part of my childhood were Beethoven and Homeward Bound, Airbud
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  Speaker 2: wasn't quite a staple in my house. I probably saw
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  Speaker 2: it once or twice as an eleven year old, which
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  Speaker 2: is how old I was when it came out. Never
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  Speaker 2: saw any of the sequels, And yeah, I haven't seen
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  Speaker 2: this movie in twenty five or more years, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: I Also, I was remembering it, you know, not correctly.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, Yeah, he joins the team way earlier,
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  Speaker 2: he plays a lot more bad football with them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and that doesn't happen, and it's really just doing that
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  Speaker 2: climactic sequence.
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  Speaker 3: He's basically not on the team. I was so disappointed.
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  Speaker 3: He's the mascot for us, He's a side show.
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  Speaker 5: It takes a full like thirty minutes for Josh and
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  Speaker 5: Airbud to even meet. Yeah, you know, he has to
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  Speaker 5: like lure him out of the abandoned church with tapioca,
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  Speaker 5: and then it's like it takes another hour for Airbud
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  Speaker 5: to join the team, which, by the way, I'm not complaining.
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  Speaker 5: It's a great movie.
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  Speaker 4: It is really Okay, I want to say, I want
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  Speaker 4: to push back a little bit because I think it's
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  Speaker 4: actually like gorgeous restraint and artistry to not have Airbud
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  Speaker 4: beyond the team. I love that. Like, this movie is
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  Speaker 4: not camp. This movie is telling a serious story, and
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  Speaker 4: it's not realistic for a dog to join the basketball team. Yea, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's much more grounded to have the dog. Well, not
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  Speaker 4: to spoil it, but show up at the eleventh hour
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  Speaker 4: when the half the team has fouled out or been injured. Yea,
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  Speaker 4: and just step in and save the day.
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  Speaker 5: Right, and or moved to Spokane, right, Like the thing,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it really subverts your expectations.
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  Speaker 4: Who you are thinking, is this going to be a
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  Speaker 4: series of like high.
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  Speaker 5: Adrenaline dog dunks, but it's not not at all the
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  Speaker 5: work for it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and he plays real basketball, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah with his face yep.
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  Speaker 3: I was so impressed. Buddy. Uh he's he truly was
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  Speaker 3: a good boy. Alrip, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, let's take a quick break and we'll come
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  Speaker 2: back and do the recap ur we're back, and here's
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  Speaker 2: the recap of the movie. So we meet a man
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  Speaker 2: who works as a clown whose act is called Clown
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  Speaker 2: and a Hound because his partner is a golden retriever.
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  Speaker 2: But this clown is a piece of shit who is
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  Speaker 2: cruel and abusive to his dog. They arrive at a
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  Speaker 2: kid's birthday party, but this clown is a flop when
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  Speaker 2: he's doing his solo act, but then the kids love
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  Speaker 2: it when the dog gets involved and does a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of tricks with balls, and we're like, okay, check off's
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  Speaker 2: ball handling skills.
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  Speaker 4: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: But the clown is such a flop that he ruins
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing and gets kicked out of the party,
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  Speaker 2: and he blames his inadequacies on his dog.
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  Speaker 3: He's projecting really truly shame.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes to take the dog to the pound,
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  Speaker 2: but then the like crate slash dog carrier thing falls
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  Speaker 2: off the clown's truck and a family happens upon the
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: dog crate and hits it with like hits it with
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: their car.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: We're like, off to the race already. We know that
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Airbud is in an abusive situation with a clown, which
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: is fascinating, and then he's almost hit by the protagonist
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: of the movie.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right away, I'm so stressed out, and I'm so sad.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: You know, I hate to see a dog in a
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: stressful situation. And here we have, you know, the so
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: far unnamed Golden Retriever, you know, working as like an
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: indentured servant to an incompetent clown. Although he's wearing the
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: cuticle outfit you ever saw in your life, is like
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: the pathos radiating off of this retriever.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know if I can watch this.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: What's gonna happen?
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: And by the way, the evil clown when he's like
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: he's not just taking the dog to the pound, he's
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: on the phone with the pound being like, yeah, I'm
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: bringing you a vicious, bad dog. Yeah, implying that he's
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: gonna have that dog executed.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, he's trying to get Airbud put down.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: He's trying to build up some receipts for the inevitable
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: rip ing of Airbud.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: That's when it gets to.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: The pound, that's right, evil.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: And then yeah, the crate falls off the clown truck
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: and then is hit by the protagonist and then this
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: is the weirdest scene in the movie to me. Right
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: off the bat, Josh, our main boy, looks out the
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: window of the car sees a clown dog sitting on
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: the side of the road, like two feet from the car.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: Josh says, nothing, nothing, no reaction, Lindy, his dad just exploded.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: His dad just exploded. He's in it.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: He's too depressed.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh my god, a dog and a
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: clown cossume. He's like, I guess we'll just roll on.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: There's a very David Lynchy quality to that sequence.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I was gonna say, like, because because the opening, I
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: have a provocative question. The opening scene is a canary
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: sitting on a tree branch. It's very reminiscent of the
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: opening credits of Twin Peaks, where the red breasted Robin
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: is sitting on a on a tree branch as well.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: And I was and then you find out that this
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: is in fact taking place somewhere in the Pacific northwestutside
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: of Seattle somewhere, And I was like, question, is Airbud
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: happening in the same universe as Twin Peaks? Is this
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: like eight years or excuse me, like six years after
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: the death of Laura Palmer and here comes Airbud.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: We can only hope also is.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: The canary the Dad's ghost, because they they show the
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: canary again at the end of the movie, and I
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: was like, what the fuck is the significance of this bird?
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I did not notice that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: It just occurred to me when you were saying that
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: megs for sure. It's implying. The way they use the
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: canary at the beginning sort of implies that this bird
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: is like bringing the Airbud magic to the boy.
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Yeah, a cosmic gift from Dad. Yeah.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: I was expecting the bird to like swoop down and
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: give air Bud a whittle kiss on his head or
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: something to like any but then you find out he
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: was just trained by a clown to do ball stuff.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: But anyway, I think the bird is the exploded Dad's spirit.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I believe it because Airbud takes on so many like
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: al like qualities throughout the movie. He can smell a
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: child in trouble like it's great, and I didn't know.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I didn't recognize this actor, but I was like, who
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: is committing fully to the role of Norm Snivey. And
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: it turns out queer icon Michael Jeter is committing fully rest.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: In Power Power.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, he passed in two thousand and three, but he
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: was like he's a character actor who was like known
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: as like the sweetest guy in the world. He was
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: in hair. He's a successful Broadway actor and he was
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: out for UH for much of his life. He has
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: and we love him for that and relevant to my interests.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: At the time, he was on Sesame Street as mister
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Noodle's brother Mister Noodle and those who know, no.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: He also was in Sister Act too, along with the mom.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, this is from.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Who I always think is Illianna Douglas, but then it isn't.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Instead it's Wendy McKenna aka Iliana Douglas was not available
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: and guess correct, Yes, she plays Josh's mom. Josh again
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: has no reaction to seeing this dog in a clown costume,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: and then they just drive away, and then the family
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: arrives at the new house they're moving into. We've established
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: already the Josh's dad had died the previous year. He
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: was a test pilot. He exploded, and Josh used to
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: play basketball with his dad, but he's lost interest in
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: that ever since. His dad's passing, and then he starts
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: at a new school. His mom tries to get him
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: into some extracurricular activities like playing the trombone.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: A lot of band kids slander, and I just I
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: want to say as a podcast, don't stand by that.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: You know, that's more of a sure Josh's dad exploited,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: but it's more of a hymn problem, I would say.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: And then one day after school, Josh walks by an
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: abandoned church which has a crusty old basketball.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Court and one of the many religious qualities to air Bud,
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of religious imagery associated.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: I have a question. I was not raised in the church.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Is it common for churches to have a basketball court
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: or I don't know, this is unique to this particular church.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: My church had a playground, but not a not a
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: basketball court.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: I was like, who was out of her balling when
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: the church was still in business.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: There's one of those cool youth pastors. It's like, I know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I'll get the kid just here.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Doing some crossover and stuff. Yeah, he's like bigee you
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: know it.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. To me, it's like it's you can imagine a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: church having a basketball court, but this church seems to
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: only have a basketball court, Like there's not there's not
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: like a graveyard or a play structure or anything. There's
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: no parking lot.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: No, it's just a haunted ass church with a basketball court.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Very normal.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And Josh starts shooting hoops and not to bully this child,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: but he sucks at it really bad and the ball
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: goes flying into the bushes and then there's some like
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: rustling and dog sounds, but all he can find is
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a scrap from the dog's clown costume.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Eventually, what they do meet, did it remind anyone else
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of et like? Their meeting felt very et coded to be.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's luring the creature with sweets.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with little puddings, yeah, out of the bushes.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: But then it's like just a golden retriever, no offensive buddy, can.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: We quickly address? So, lind I'm so curious Lindy your
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: emotional state watching Airbud because Lindy herself owns a Golden Retriever.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: His name is Barry Reveal or air Berry.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Yes, Now Barry is more of a copper toned prince,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: and I would say air Bud is a little bit
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: more blonde. But so there's so much Berry air Bud
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: personality crossover.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: But the whole time I was watching this movie, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: was like, I feel as though Lindy is going to
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: be emotionally devastated just at the mere sight of Airbud
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: because he's so Berry like. And I am just curious
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: would Barry successfully be lured by tapioca pudding or like,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: how exactly would you get him to come out onto
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: the basketball court.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, watching this movie was rough, and I will say
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: that it it's extremely accurate to my you know, it
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: matches up with my experience, the vibe and the energy
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: of Airbud visibility. Yeah, representation, Barry would eat an unlimited
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: number of pudding cups. He would come out of the
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: bushes for any amount of pudding cups, spaghettios the other thing. Yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: by the way, Josh not doing a great job of
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: taking care of this dog. No, really bad. It's too
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: much pudding for a dog, for sure.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: I was thinking that where I was like, God, you
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: know that there's a bunch of kids that really took
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: that to heart.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, but the thing about Barry, it's hard to
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: say because Barry has lived a soft life of pure leisure.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Not one bad thing has ever happened to him. He's
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: been coddled since birth. He's never been abused by an
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: evil clown. So the idea that Barry would ever even
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: hide from a human and not immediately attack them and
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: knock them over so that they will pet him. Barry
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: would never be in the bushes waiting to be lurd
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: with pudding. Like if Barry saw a boy with pudding,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: the boy is toast. There's no hope. So I don't know,
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: but all the chaos that Airbud causes is very familiar
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: to me. Okay, which we we'll get to.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's coming soon.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: But we have seen We've seen him cause one scene
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: of chaos at the birthday party, but that was more
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: the clown doing all the chaos.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the clown was not talented. Well, fair
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Bud was exceptionally talented at catching those little balls in
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: his mouth, you know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm sorry, Perhaps we've watched different movies. What I
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: recall is that Airbud is doing his little ball tricks.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Then the clown throws a bigger ball at Airbun. Airbud
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: boops the ball back straight at the clown's nuts and
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: he deserves, which he deserves, injures the clown in his privates,
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: and then the clown starts flailing and screaming, and then
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: Airbud is not helping. He's racing around, he's hiding under tables.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: The clown is chasing him. He's I'm just saying, obviously
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: the clown is to blame.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: As they say in the law, can tributory negligence, So.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: There was some contributory negligence. I'm just saying, sure. But yeah,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that's what my dog is like as well.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: And also, I mean the reason Airbud does all that
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: is because, to quote Josh screaming, which he does a
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: lot towards the end of the movie.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: He yeah, but hates that clowns ass so much.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Josh, Oh my god, he's doing so he's a child.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Shout out Kevin Ziegler because he's seekers because he's doing
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: so much, he's really selling. My dad just exploded, honestly, Like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised we haven't seen more of him.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Where'd he go?
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: We was on Gossip Girl.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Ye oh good, good, good good, because like there's a
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: part later, sorry spoiler, but like spoiler, there's a part
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: later where he like talks to this girl at school
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: and I'm so sorry to her. But you can really
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: see the difference between a real actor and a Canadian
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: child that they hired to yeah, to deliver one line.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: I think that's true.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Josh is a freaking pro.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: He's a good child actor.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: He went full method for this. He blew his dad up.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: He's also in most of the sequels, oh, if not
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: all of them.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: He's in Okay. I I hate that he's in the
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: first four, and then he's the protagonist. I think of
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: the first three and then the fourth, there's a grand
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: passing of the baton between Josh and Andrea. Josh goes
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: to college and so he's in the movie, but he's
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: not the protagonist. And then that's when Andrea takes over.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: She's missus Baseball at this point, gotcha right, right? I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: The extra homework I did for this was learning about
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: the expanded air Bud universe, which encompasses twelve movies.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well, because there's all the air Buds and then air Buddy,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: then there's a spin off of air Buddies, and then
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: which becomes snow Buddies, Space Buddies, Super Buddy, Fanta Buddy,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Treasure Buddies, Pookie Budies, and Santa Buddies, the legend of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: Santa Pause, which then spins off into Santa Pause and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Santa Paus to the Santa Pups.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, you can't tell by this small you know this,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: this very intimate family drama that we're talking about, The
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: eventual airbud universe will will have global implications across literally
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: time and space.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: And then in real life it resulted in Disney killing
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: over a dozen puppies, which I will get to the
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: most famously evil thing you can do be responsible for
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the death of puppies.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Which I think we all learned from a Disney movie, yes,
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: called one hundred and one Dollmatians.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's not till two thousand and eight, during
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: the production of Snow Buddies. Oh boy, oh sidebar later.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: Oh brother, it's you know, since we have this golden retriever.
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: As soon as the movie started, my partner Roya started
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: was like, I can't watch it. I can't watch it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Something's gonna happen to the dog, something can happen to
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: the dog. I was like, nothing happens to the dog.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: I can tell you because there's nine hundred sequels, including
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: we know that Airbud is extremely virile and has like
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: one hundred children puppies who go on to play every
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: sport on Earth. So she's like she couldn't calm down.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: She's very stressed, almost in tears, even when like all
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: the dog's doing is playing one on one with a boy.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile she's reading out loud the most horrific facts from
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Buddy's Wikipedia page.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Yes, like dead puppy.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Oh this is his last film. He dies of cancer
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: at age nine. I was like, sorry, oo, are making
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: me depressed about things that really happened to a real dog.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile you're freaking out about things that aren't even gonna
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: happen to a fictional dog.
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: Anyway, It's really sad, it's really and and they go
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: on and like Buddy Buddy is the only Buddy has
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: two stunt doubles. I think in this because he did
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: not want to walk on the roof of the house,
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: and that's fair he did.
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: That was the cutest part though. It was so funny.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: But I in future air Buds, Buddy would be played
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: by four, five or six dogs, which feels more ethical.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: But this is this is Buddy's only This is Buddy's
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: only film.
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: It's like when they hire twins to play kids, a
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: single kid on a sitcom.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Buddy's fascinating because I feel like he's this part of
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: this like star system that doesn't exist anymore, where he
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: kind of becomes famous the way that some comedians become famous,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: where he was like on Letterman a lot in the
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: early nineties. He's not on like Pee Wee Herman and
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: that he was on Letterman a lot, and then he
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: got his own starring vehicle.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Nice shout out to him.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay. So then Josh tries out for the
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: basketball team at school. He doesn't make it.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: But okay, he doesn't. He just sits on the bleachers
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: like a weirdo. He doesn't even do the tryouts, right.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: I was like, did we see that off screen or
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: just like you know, he just sort of is just
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: like sitting there at first, although like in between there's
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: a janitor who you can tell has sort of a
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: mystical air about him. Uh, and the janitor likes sees
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: something in Josh. He's like, why isn't Josh throwing out meanwhile, Josh.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: So then Josh becomes the first, he becomes the manager
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: of the team right wherein he is.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: Bullied by Larry.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: Honestly, if I was told that I was a manager
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: of the basketball team, I'd be like, I'd just rather
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: not do it any of this.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this coach makes him do like basketball child labor.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I know at night in the basement.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I'll go play the trump on.
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: You need to stay after school until ten pm and
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: you need to wash your bullies dirty underwear that he
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: threw on your face, Like that's I don't think that's allowed.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I don't think that's a real job.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Also, the way that this coach is written we'll get
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: into is so severe turned. But he has this wildline
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: during I think his first scene where he says, if
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: you can win on the court, you can win it life,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: which is just a really intense thing to say.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: No, that's true, Jamie, that's true.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: Not for him.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I also like the there's when Josh first comes into
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: the gym for the for the tryouts. I think the
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: reason he doesn't try out is because he's immediately bullied,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: which also just is weird because he just is another
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: boy who looks the same as all that. It's like,
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: why are these people picking on him, but he has
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: this red, white and blue basketball and then Larry the
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Bully goes, you look like you stole that from the
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Harlem Globe Trotters or something like that, and it's like nice, Yeah,
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: that's a famous basketball teams, Like, Larry, what's your damage? Larry?
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: What the hell? Larry?
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: You would you would never make it onto the Harlem Globetrotters, Larry.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: Larry's just bad because his father is an actual cartoon character,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Larry's father, Big the Guy. The guy's having a blast.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: He's like, my, I just gotta get on the court.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Like his face so elastic, it's very distracting.
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: Also, the coach is like, hey, I need a manager.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: I noticed that you just sat on the bleachers and
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: you didn't try out. That's fine, you're clearly a loser
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: who wouldn't make it. I do need a manager. It's
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: a ton of work. You got to get here before
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: the team and leave after the team. Anyway, you're hired.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: First of all, you're not selling it. That sounds horrible.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: And Josh doesn't even agree. But then the coach is
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: just like, he just conscripts him to be his servant.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Josh and Josh's mom is just like I
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: need childcare. Yeah, this is this is what's gonna happen.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah that works Josh's mom. I have such a complicated,
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: such complicated feelings around Josh's mom because sometimes I'm like
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: she's doing her best, she's her husband exploded. But then
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: other times she's so harsh with Josh in ways that
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: and Airbud like I was like, she acts like Airbud
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: blew her husband up, like the way that she treats
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: him sometimes.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah she does. I mean there's a scene where like
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: like meanwhile, while this is all happening, Josh is like
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: becoming the basketball coach, manager whatever. Airbud is still hiding
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: out at the condemned.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Church basketball court.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: And then eventually he wins him over with the tapioca
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: and he brings Airbud in for like a makeover montage,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: you know, and then Airbud escapes.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: It turns out Airbud is hot.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: He takes uf Airbuds glasses, they take off Airbuds glasses,
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: and he's a hot hottie under there. He's not a nerd.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: So anyway, he escapes from the bathroom after his makeover
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: and then runs into the living room and knocks over
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: the ladder that has all the paint and wallpapering supplies
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: on it, and paint and glue go everywhere. Now here's
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: a questions, Mom, why did you leave paint cans with
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: no lids on out like that all day? Because she's
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: just come home from work and I was like, what
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: is wrong with this? Is not on Airbud at all. No,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: this is on you, fake Ileana Douglas.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: She does not take accountability for this. She blames it
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: on air Bud entirely outrageous. And then the thing that
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: really stuck with me, I guess we are just sort
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: of continuing the recapha. This is where the movie's go
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Like Josh obviously is like I want this dog, and
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'm sorry, this kid just lost his dad.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: You have to give him anything he wants, Like that
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: is the fucking dog. My friend Grace friend of the pod,
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Grace freyd I just saw her one person show about
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: like she lost her dad when she was ten or eleven,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: and she like she there's a great joke about how
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: she was like I knew I was going to get
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: a PS two and that was really powerful and it's like,
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: because you have to give the grieving child the thing
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: they want.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Just got a shower with gifts for a little while,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And Josh's mom is like absolutely not. And then
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: even when when Josh gives him a little cardboard box,
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: she's like tear it up, like.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she's such an asshole about it. I know you're
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: trying to make a home for air Bud, and I
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: won't stand for.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Josh is like, can the dog just live in this
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: wet box in the yard, And she's like absolutely not.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: But like, I want to say a couple of things
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: because I feel like this is important for later. Despite
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: this adversity, Josh really does do his due diligence. He
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: puts up the found Dog posters all over the town, which,
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: by the way, this is the first instance of me
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: genuinely laughing. Josh is putting up the found Dog and
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: it's like a picture of air Bud and air Buzz
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: is running up snatching those things right off the telephone
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: fall and I was like comedy was watching it, just
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: going aha, but that is so funny, and he's just
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: putting him up all over the town, So he really,
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, even though he really really wants this dog.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: He is like doing what is necessary to like find
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: his home if such home exists, even though he deserves
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: that damn dog, he does.
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: Lord, let the kid have the dog. I was so
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: frustrated with her, I know.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Also, if we haven't made this clear yet,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Josh discovers that the dog can kind of play basketball.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he discovers Airbud can ball immediately at the abandoned church.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Immediately because actually the thing that wins the dog over
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: is not the pudding. The pudding lures him out of
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: the bushes, but then Josh notices that the dog is
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: fixated on his Harlem Globetrotter's basketball, and so that he's like,
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: do you like this ball? Boy? Like, like I like that.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: Airbud has to be convinced of Josh, not the reverse,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: because he's like, oh you ball, okay.
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: Okay, player, let's play.
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Oh, by the way, can I really quickly? Like There's
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: also this part where Josh cleans up the landscaping on
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: the basketball court and for some reason decides to kick
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: over this fence and then on the immediately on the
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: other side of the fence is a beautiful.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: Lake with like a Mountain glacial Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: And it was shot in Vancouber, which which makes sense
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: because that is kind of what it looks like up
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: here where I live outside Seattle. But I'm sorry, not
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: a good thing to have next to your basketball court.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: A gaping hole where the ball can go through the ball.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: Is immediately gonna go into the lake, especially if a
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: dog is playing.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, play basketball, Like well, this dog is so good.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: It's almost like the church knew what they were doing
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: when they put that fence up. That was it Also like.
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: I love that the church is like could someone cover
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: up that view? Do I want to look at God's
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: wonders while I preach? No, I don't.
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: This church is not about God's wonders. This church is
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: about one thing and that's best. That's that's basketball church.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Baby.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I Also, I mean it's like and it's also presented
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: as if like Josh is not aware of where he lives.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: He's like, oh, there's water here. It was like, well
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: you know that, you know that?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Oh my god?
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: He gets in a boat later to an island, the
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: water taxi.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he gets a little Yeah, he gets on a
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: little tugboat or a little water tax.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of obsessed with the water taxi guy later
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: because he looks like he is from another century. Then
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: the Money takes place in and never speaks. It just
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: takes this kid back and forth. I was like, what
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: is his story?
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: He didn't realize he was even in a movie. He
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: just like, you want to ride?
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, He's up on a grizzled teenage Mariner.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: He's wearing a Newsy cap. I was like, what movie
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: are you in the trench coat?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frightening.
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: But I think you know, with like the gentle coaching
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: of air Bud, Josh learns how to ball, like he
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: gets a lot better, and it really is, because you know,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Airbud is out here boopin' and crossing over yeah, and assisting.
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: And Josh was like, wow, I get it now, I
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: get the fundamentals of basketball. Thank you Airbud. So it's
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: pretty sweet.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It's really nice.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: So now Josh has Airbud and his mom is like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: you can't have this dog, And then she says if
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: no one claims the dog by Christmas, which is about
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: two weeks away, she'll take him to the pound. One
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: of the many false conflicts of the movie because then boom,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: it's Christmas with another weirdly, like the Christmas montage is
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: so weird to me, where it's like a montage where
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: the mom is speaking in voiceover about like Santa Is.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: She's talking about Santa like he's Jesus. Yeah, yes, sorry, is.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: That is she reading from like a miracle on thirty
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: fourth Street or something. She's like reading from a book.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: But it is weirdly, it's weird.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is very Chris Christian coded.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, but before we get to Christmas, there's the moment
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: when a moment when I genuinely left so loud, which
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: was when they're making the deal. The mom is like, Okay,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: he can stay in the yard for two weeks, but
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: he's not allowed in the house. And if you ever
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: sneak that dog in the house, this is over. Do
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: you understand you you are not allowed to sneak the
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: dog in the house of Josh is like, I totally understand.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: And then they're in the foreground in the background teeny
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: tiny at the top of the stairs you can just
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: see Airbud's little face peeking through the last Airbud has
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: already sneaked into the house. He's on it I was,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: he's been living in this house. Josh doesn't even know.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Josh doesn't even know. I was weeping at this. It
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: was so funny, just like the visual of like the
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: mom being mad at the concept of Airbud being in
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: the house at Airbud, just being like, ha, it's so funny.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: And so I took a picture of my TV and
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: I was like, once Lindy watches it, I'm gonna send
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: this to her. And then in Unison we were like
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: this part killed me, and we sent each other the
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: same picture of Airbud in the background, like mugging the mom.
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: I was like, this movie freaking rocks.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: It is great.
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: It's so great, a great visual gag. I mean good,
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: so good. Good Anya. Creators of Airbud Heart Harvey Weinstein.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Oh god, I hope he was never on set. This
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: movie was directed by Charles Martin Smith.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who, Okay, you're you're being a hater because he's
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: a TV in films Charles Martin Smith. Of course, of
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: course he's a he's I don't know, he's what. His
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: biggest role was in American Graffiti, which I still haven't seen.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: But he has an actor turned director who I think
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: is fine. I always enjoy this career. Note where he
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: directed Airbud is very successful. But then I think he
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: had that moment where he's like, wait a second, I'm
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: an artist. I can't just direct Airbud movies. And so
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: he does not return for Airbud movies and then ends
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: up directing a bunch of movies very much like Airbud anyways,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: tough business. He ends up directing Dolphin Tale and Dolphin
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Tale Too.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: Oh interesting.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he's rich as hell from Airbud, I hope.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: So so good good for him, I hope.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: So he deserves it because he made.
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: Something really special. He gave something special to the world.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. So then one evening, as Josh is in the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: school basement doing you know, basketball laundry, he sees an
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: old Knicks jersey and a photo of a basketball player
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: from back in the day, and he realizes these things
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: belong to the janitor at the school, Arthur Cheney played
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: by Bill Cobbs, and that he was a former basketball star.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So Josh asks Arthur to sign his like collector card
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: that he has of Arthur, but he's like, no, that
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: isn't me. That guy died a long time ago. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: then later Josh sees him shooting hoops and Josh is like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, that is Arthur Cheney. So that's that beat.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Just a couple of things about Arthur Cheney. First, Bill Cobbs,
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: you will recognize him if you see it. This man
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: was in everything from like nineteen ninety two to probably
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: two thousand and three. He was in everything. There's nothing
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: funnier to me than a Knick's legend keeping his nineteen
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: fifty nixt jersey in his locker at school.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: That's where we keep just so he can deny it
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: when confronted.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: It just be like, no, I never played for the Knicks.
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: I just keep this here like that is so funny
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: I keep my jersey in a cupboard in a dirty
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: basement of the middle school where I work as a janitor.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: In the boiler room of the middle school.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: I guess, by the way, not to not to make
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: things too dark, but how bad of a gambling problem
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: did Arthur Cheney have? Why did he go from NBA
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: star to working As I know, the salaries are probably
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: not as high in the fifties, but I mean he
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: was a real star as we find out later not
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: to spoil anything.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: He's like recognized on such like he's a legend.
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many conflicting tropes with Arthur Cheney that
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: it's like hard to really know where to begin because
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: it's like there's a lot of tropes around I fel
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: black actors that are put in there where he has
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: this mystical quality that is completely unnecessary.
• 46:57
  Speaker 5: Yes, I was gonna say, like not to get too
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: serious about a children's movie where a dog plays basketball,
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: but they really don't play what they call the magical
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: Negro trope. And like as soon as this man appears
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: on you screen, you know that's the role he's gonna play,
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: because like the first scene you see him and he's
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: kind of in shadow, but they're using a recognizable actress,
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: so you know he's gonna have a bigger role in
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: the movie, right. And of course, and like this trope
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: is basically like a black character who will do anything
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: to further the goals of the white protagonist and it
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: was some sort of magical flavor. And in this case,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: his magical skill is that he used to play for
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: the Knicks. But of course he's kind of hiding that
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: from Josh and all this other stuff. It's not as
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: like pronounced as it is in other movies. Were like
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: the legend of Bagger Vance. But usually this character is
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: like a janitor or a caddie, or in the.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Case of Ghost, a psychic driving Miss Daisy as another
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: like really famous example.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Green Mile exactly, or or an inmate.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that shitty movie that came out recently,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: Marshall Ellie won an oscar for it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: But it's h oh Green Book, Yeah, where he's like
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: Viggo Mortons's driver. Yeah, and he's like that too, and
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: where they'll sacrifice themselves for the greater good of the
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: white protagonists or protagonists. And it's not that serious an Airbud,
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: I mean in this case, it just deploys as he
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: helps Airbud at the end. But like here you have
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: this man who was like a Nix legend and now
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: he's a janitor. He has all these incredible skills as
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: like a coach and as a leader and as a person,
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: and he uses it to like reunite a.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Dog with a young boy.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of like the classic magical Negro
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: trope being deployed in this like children's movie, and it
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: like it's like, man, ten year olds are just eight
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: to twelve year olds are being immediately introduced to this
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: like ridiculous stereotype that we see in like lots of
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: different movies, But the fact that you see it in
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: a kid's movie is kind of disappointing. Although I do
• 48:51
  Speaker 5: love that guy.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: He's great, He's great. This is not the only I mean,
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: we've talked about this troupe many times in the show
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: over the years, but this is not the only children's
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: basketball movie in which we have discussed this trope. And
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: we also discussed it years ago in our episode on
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Full Court Miracle right that d com the Disney Channel
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: original movie about the I think also a middle school
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: basketball team that has I mean, I don't remember that
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: many details about it because it's just a movie that
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: leaves you at the moment it's over. But yeah, like
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: this trope is like in all over kids media, it's wild.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. There's also this angle with in this movie where
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: when they first go into his boiler room secret office,
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: they pan across all his stuff and it's like, oh,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: you thought he was just a janitor, Well, I bet
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: you didn't think he would have a chess set and
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: a book about engineering, and it's like, oh, he's a janitor,
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: but he's also a genius and then whoa, and you
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: know in that moment when they're like, he's a janitor,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: but something else, something more. He also reads books, Like
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: I wrote down in my notes, you know, this man
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: is the one who's going to deliver the line there's
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: nothing in the rule book that says a dog can't
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: play basketball because you know, he's read the rule book
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: because he likes to play chess.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and he and it just and he, like I
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: was saying before, I mean, he's like the only one
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: who can sort of magically mystically see Josh's potential and like,
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: you know, it's just the way it's deployed to. He
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: can use his powers to help Josh, but he himself remains.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: But he's not able to change his own life.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Like yeah, right, And in case I'm not being clear, Yeah,
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: janitors can play chess and know how to read. Yeah,
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: rights allowed. I don't know what brought Arthur Cheney from
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: the NBA to the basement of Greenfield Middle School or whatever.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: The school is called.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Fernfield, where anything can happen, but real.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: People do all kinds of jobs and it's normal.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So we get this like very common, hackneyed blend
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: of a racist trope with a classist trope by this
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: great actor. And it's weird because I think, ultimately Arthur
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: and Airbud and this is this can't be good end
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: up filling a similar role in Josh's life where they
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: help him realize his potential and they believe in him
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: and care about him when it seems like no one
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: else does. Arthur's a fascinating character to because I feel
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: like there's so many there's so many opportunities to try
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: at least try things with this character, but he just
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: disappears for long stretches.
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: Also, you're telling me that an American public school has
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: a former NBA player working as the janitor, and they
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: choose to hire a random man to be the basketball.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Coach who ends up being physically abusive. I mean, that's
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: why Arthur ends up becoming He does end up becoming
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: the coach of the boys middle school basketball team in
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: fern Field, a suburb of Seattle. I guess because he
• 52:03
  Speaker 5: does have a Sonics basketball mug rip to my Seattle
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: super Sonics and also that kids Stewart has a piece
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: of or he has Scottie Pippens orange peel, so they
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: are close enough to Seattle to go to Sonics games.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: And Dennis Rodman's gum.
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he does eventually coach because Shawn Camp's garbage sorry
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: and Shawn Camps Apple Corp. He does eventually get get
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: hired as the coach because the previous coach gets caught
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: physically abusing Stuart. He's like chucking basketball's at Stuart's head.
• 52:35
  Speaker 5: And then even then the principal is like, well, we're
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: thinking about letting Larry's dad do it because he volunteered,
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: and Josh has to be like, I have a suggestion,
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: how about former Nick's legend Arthur Cheney.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe he could do it. I just think in no
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: universe would Arthur not have already been the coach. I mean,
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: this is absurd.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's true. I mean, so let's let's get let's
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: get up there. Where do we leave off Kitlan?
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Oh?
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: Bye bye?
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I think we're at like it's Christmas morning
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: and his mom lets Josh have buddy. So that conflict
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: of he will never live in this house is.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: False conflict because Airbud won her over with the power
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: of ball and because Airbud. Every night, Airbud sneaks into
• 53:21
  Speaker 5: the house by jumping up up a lattice into across
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: the roof and into Josh's bedroom. And one night he
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: goes to do it and nobody's home and Airbud's like,
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: what the fuck? So Airbud finds the middle school. He
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: escapes and finds the middle school, and he goes to
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: the basketball game disrupts the whole thing.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: It's hilarious, by the way.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: I know this needs to happen for the for the
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: plot to work, but Airbud is just like loose, like
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: he's just this dog has never seen a leash in
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: his life.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: I'm worried about Airbud.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: You don't know. I'm so worried.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: Why is she like, Okay, you could keep him and
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: we don't really need to take care of him the
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: way you'd expect.
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a genuine question. There are several scenes,
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: multiple scenes after the Christmas scene when Airbud has supposedly
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: been brought into the family, where Airbud is like is
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: locked out of the house and he's still climbing up
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: the trellis and sneaking through the window. Two questions. First
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: of all, I'm sorry, it's Christmas time in the Pacific
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: Northwest and the window is open.
• 54:16
  Speaker 5: And yeah, we would never do that. Yeah, and there's.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Like people having a picnic outside on the ground but whatever.
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: But question number two is Airbu still not allowed to
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: live inside the house.
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: I think he's not allowed to go in the house.
• 54:29
  Speaker 5: I think she's still like, yeah, we can keep the dog,
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: but he because at one point they do build him
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: a doghouse and paint body on the doghouse, So I
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: think he's still technically supposed to live outside permanently.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: That is deranged.
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: It's evil, not nice. But he like breaks He breaks
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: up the middle school basketball game, causes a kerfuffle. It's hilarious,
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: by the way, and I'm not I don't mean that ironically.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: I was laughing genuine real laughs.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Again Jortle's slapstick comedy. It's great.
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: And then that's when they realize he can ball. I
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: think that Josh does the thing where he's making Airbud
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: follow the ball and then they do like an alley oop.
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: They hear the ball swish and the whole crowd goes, oh,
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: why this dog and ball?
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: And before that, Josh he gets invited to try out
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: for the basketball team again. But this makes him sad
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I don't want to play, Buddy, you
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: can play, and then he like kind of nonchalantly tosses
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: the ball to the side, and then Buddy shoots and
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: scores a basket. So Josh rediscovers that he can play basketball,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: or at least like shoot hoops. And so, with this
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: renewed enthusiasm for basketball, Josh tries out for the team.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: He's suddenly very good at basketball, and he makes it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: On the team.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: And then this is like the first game where Buddy
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: comes crashing in because he's just like, woof, woof, why
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: not my best friend Josh home? And so he comes
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to the school and he sees Josh playing, so he
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: runs out on the court, you know, reeks havoc. Everyone's
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: falling down, everything is falling over, everything's getting knocked around,
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: and everyone's like, whoa, he should be the mascot and
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: he should do that trick during the halftime show.
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: It's a huge honor, you know, to get invited to
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: be the halftime entertainment of the middle school basketball game.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Because we find out later that they televised these things
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: and they report the outcome on the front page of
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: the newspaper. So this is a big deal for Airbud Man.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: And also and also because I oh what this is
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: like so kids movie and the best way the middle
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: school basketball team is on the front page of the
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: newspaper every single day. The moolves there's nothing going on
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: in this town. I love it.
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: Not that Missus from would know, because there's a subplot that, oh, yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: that Buddy has been stealing and hiding her newspaper every
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: day for a month because he's traumatized. He has PTSD
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: from the evil clown bapping them with a newspaper.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: But that's why the mom is like, oh, he can
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: stay because he's so oh my god, you guys love
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: each other due to basketball, just like you and your dad.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: And also that was a sweet trick, I think his
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: mom thinks. And so then Josh gets to keep Buddy
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: at Christmas and it's really genuinely very heartwarming. And then
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: Josh makes air Bud a pair of sneakers, so a
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: pair two pairs.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: True.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about things that because it is true
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: that Missus frem is just completely severed from the world.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: She has no idea what's going on. She makes it
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: sound like the newspaper is the only way she could
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: learn news, even though I think they have a television.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: But no, I like to think that she like after
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: the events of Airbud, like learns that Heaven's Gate happened,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: and she's like, oh my god, I had no idea
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: my golden retriever Airbud has been taking all my newspapers.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: She learns about Princess die like, it's just a lot
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: happened in nineteen ninety seven.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: Do you think that there is there are feminist implications
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: to the fact that she works at a napkin.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Okay I missed that.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she works in napkins. What she's like a
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: napkin silk person. She runs a napkin factory, and that's
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: why they moved to fern Field.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: She's a napkin girl.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Not only that, she apparently has a second job, because
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: she's on the phone with her mom and she's like, no, Mom,
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: it's not called moonlighting. You're allowed to have two jobs.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, what is her second job?
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: To me?
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: That was the only evidence I could find of a
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: Bechdel Test passing moment where she says to her mom,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: I have two jobs, and I was like, nailed it.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: And we never well, we never hear her mom speak.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, she could be like your father is righted.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: But I'm just guessing that they needed to give her
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of jobs because they need a reason for
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: her to never be home so that she doesn't notice
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: her son is always playing basketball at a haunted church,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know what's going on there, but she
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: has a three year old toddler at home. That's like,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: who is taking care of that child?
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: And no childcare that we see.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: And it's like, again, this could be in a movie
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: that's not afraid to get serious. This could be an
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: element that comes up. Is like, you know, Josh is
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: kind of like a latchkey kid. He because his mom
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: works so much. Where is his sister? Why bother giving
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: him a sister if we're just gonna drop her halfway through?
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: But because she doesn't even go to the games, No
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: she's too young.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: No, No, that was when I noticed Andrea was gone.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, where the hell is this kid there?
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: But but to his mom's credit. I mean, she doesn't
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: miss a game. She is thereue usually with some like
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: pretty great outfits too. She's coming straight from the napkin
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: factory looking hot.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, very very big business, you know, very sister's doing
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: it for themselves. You know she looks great.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Last statement hats napkin factory.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: Huh Yeah. Anyway, So to answer your question, Lindy, I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: think that is feminism. She works at an her napkin factory. Okay,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: this is one where we see coach Joe hurling basketballs
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: at one of the players, this kid Stuart, who will
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: eventually become Josh's best friend in the later sequels. So
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: then Coach Joe gets fired off screen because the next
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: thing we know, the school is looking for a new coach.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, wait, so I know this is I know we
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: keep it in tro but like the acting job that
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: actress Nicola Cavendish is asked to do here as Principal
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: Pepper Is, I stopped it and showed it to Grant
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: because I was just I was blown away at how
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: because she's doing again like the Disney Channel Adult character
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: where she's like, oh my gosh, you have a dog
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: and he's gotta come to the game, and then the
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: next line out of her mouth, she's witnessing the coach,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: you know, doing this sort of like coded abusive behavior,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: but he's also whipping basketballs at a kid. And then
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: her voice lowers an octave and she goes, that's enough, Joe,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: that's quite enough.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: And that's like, oh, like.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: She's seen him do it before, almost like or she's like,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily surprising to her to see this coach
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: behaving poorly.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: It was a very weird scene.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: I was surprised. I was happy at least that they
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: do fire the coach, but it's like, yeah, they should
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: have gone farther. Yeah, they should go to the weird
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: court that we learned later is in this town. I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: love the court scene, my favorite.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: Scene from basketball court to judicial court.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so amazing because it's like at that point,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: you're like the movies should have just ended, but it's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: still happened.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: There's a whole other sequence. Anyways, Okay, I'm gonna try
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: to speed through the rest of this. We so eventful,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: So much happens. Okay, So Arthur Cheney gets hired as
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: the new coach, and he does a great job getting
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: them to work together as a team. Then there's the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: next game where Buddy does his trick at the halftime show,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: and it's partly because Josh is so nice. He's not
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: like that abuse of evil clown. He encourages Buddy because
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: initially he has performance anxiety. Buddy does and he's like, no, no, no,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: you're such a good boy, you can do this, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: he does the trick and everyone cheers.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: I loved that.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: I loved that Airbud was like they added that little
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: beat for him because it's so and it's like it
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: is all very ironic that like part of the part
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: of the lesson in the movie is like, oh, we
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: maybe shouldn't force this doctor perform, when in fact that
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: is like why the movie exists, is forced to get
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: doctor performed. But I like that Josh was like, of
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: course Airbud would get nervous. Then when he's been in
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: performance settings before, it had been like right before, he's
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: going to be abused, traumatizing.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this guy that.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Makes sense, but now he's a star truly. So then
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: there's another game. There's a couple of seconds left, I
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: think the team is one point down. Josh has ball.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: He tries to make a three pointer. He biffs it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: and they lose, So Josh is kind of beating himself
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: up about it, but coach Arthur gives Josh a pep
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: talk to play from the heart, and so the team
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: starts playing really well. They qualify for finals against the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: opposing team that that bully kid Larry is now on
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: because his like bully dad pulls him off the team
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: and moves him to.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: Moves their whole family to Spokane, Washington. Yeah, which is
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: in eastern Washington. You know this is taking place in
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: western Washington because of the lush greenery. Eastern Washington's on
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: the other side of the mountains. Entirely moves their whole
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 5: family to Spokane so that Larry can play middle school
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: basketball for the Warriors. That's wild Larry's dad. Yeah, that's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: really something.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Level of pettiness here too. Four end seed.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: Spokane is really far away. It's far. It's not like
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: they move to a different suburb of Seattle now, they
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: moved to the far corner of the state. It's like
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: at least a six hour drive.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 5: A mountain range to get away from air and Bud
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 5: and Arthur Cheney and Josh Okay, it's like reverse Oregon
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 5: trail to the opposite.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Side of the state. It's almost Idaho like it is.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: You can go to your grocery shoping in Idaho if
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: you live in SPOKEMP.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 5: It's true.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean, not that this movie is has
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: any interest in doing this with the bully character, but
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: you're like, that's gotta be tough on Larry with a
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: dad who's whose self worth is so tied up in
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: your youth basketball career.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: Frankly explains everything you need to know about Larry and
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: his behavior. I feel bad for the guys. Poor Larry,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: poor kid. Yeah.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: So then the clown whose name we finally learn is
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Norm's snively pretty good villain name. He gets wind of
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: the fact that the team mascot of this middle school
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: basketball team who can shoot hoops because there's like this
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: whole news story about it.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, he finds out about it because the middle school
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 5: basketball game is on is on TP.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: And he's like, wait a minute, that's my dog. So
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Norm goes to Josh's house and talks to his mom, Jackie,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: to be like, you have my dog. See here are
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: his papers.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: And Jackie's in a vulnerable moment, she's feeling a little
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: bit resentful of the dog because she has just found
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: all of her buried newspapers in the yard.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Yes that's right, Yes, which Airbud had buried due to
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: newspaper based PTSD. Can I say a couple of things
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: about the scene. First of all, norm is so menacing
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: and he walks into her backyard, so he's like fully
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: on her property. Scares her a little bit because she's
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: like discovering the newspaper situation and doing some gardening and
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: then holds up like a flyer of him and Airbud
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: could be any golden retriever. This is not proof of anything,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: by the way. And then it's like, that's my dog.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: I have the papers to prove it. First of all,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: fake Eleana Douglas. You start with get the fuck off
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: my property. I don't know who you are. I'm calling
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: the police instead. She handswered the dog over. Is pretty
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: wild to me immediately, no resistance whatsoever. And you know
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 5: I know that as women were all taught to be compliant,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 5: but not me when it comes to Airbud. I'd be
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 5: fighting back. And I also would like to say something else.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: I conferred with a lost dog expert, my husband who
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: works at the Animal Shelterer here in the DC area,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: And I was like, this would never happen like this.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: The person would not just show up and be like,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: this is my dog. I have a single picture of it,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 5: and then when I try to get it to come
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: to me, it growls and goes it bananas when.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: It sees me.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: And he was like, no, you'd be asking, this is
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 5: what my expert said.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: He said, you'd have to. I mean, there's like no due.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Process going on here. Hello, Okay, so you'd be asking like, Norm,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: what have you done? Can you show me lost reports?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: Did you report the dog loss to local animal shelters?
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: Is the dog microchip? I don't know what the coorschip
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 5: situation was in nineteen ninety seven, so we can let
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: that one go. But do you have photos of you
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 5: and this dog? And he does won and it's Airbud
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 5: in a clown costume. Again, that could be any golden retriever. Okay,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 5: you'd really need to show some evidence that not only
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: is it your dog, with that you had gone through
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: some sort of process to find your lost dog, which
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: Norm has not done until he thinks he can make
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: a buck off of it. Meanwhile, again, I would refer
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: the court to earlier in the movie when Josh is
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: doing his due diligence. He's hanging up the found dog posters. Okay, now, sure,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: did Airbud tear him down? Yes, but that's not on Josh.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 4: He did his part.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: He tried to find this dog's owner. If anything, now
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: it's been months.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 4: If anything, Airbud tearing the flyers down is more evidence
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: that he does that. He should not go with the clown. Yeah,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: and he should stay with Josh.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: I mean he doesn't even he doesn't have any witnesses
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: like Norm doesn't have any witnesses that saw him with
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: this dog. Like he just doesn't do anything except show
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 5: up menaces woman and wave a piece of paper in
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: her face and then take the dog. It never would
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: happen this way. I just want the audience to understand.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Another very very disappointing thing from Miss Jackie fram letting
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: down the family yet again. She's mad that she doesn't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: know about Heaven's Gate. Well, guess what, like borrow a
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: paper at the napkin factory, turn on the.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: News, go to the library.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: Jackie, Come on, man, literally.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: This dog is raising your child for you. Could you
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: find an ounce of effort to fight for him?
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 5: Can I say something else, like, what is the plan here? Norm?
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: As if Airbud is gonna do basketball for you, you're
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: such an asshole to him. Airbud has autonomy. We've seen it, Okay,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: So the whole thing's driving me nuts. I'm like, there's
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: no way that not only is Airbud gonna willingly go
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 5: with Norm, but that he's gonna do basketball for this
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 5: man in commercial antics game.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: Please give me a break.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Next time we see him. Because what happens is Norm
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: takes Buddy, yeah, and Josh is devastated. So Josh goes
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: to Norm Sniveley's house where he's keeping Buddy chained up
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: in the mud next to a stack of Budweiser cam
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Very Wizard of Oz five's here, and Norm is on
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: the phone being like, we can't shoot that commercial on April.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: We're going on tour, and it's like, how.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: Did you How did you book a tour already? Did
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: you get a dog agent all of a sudden?
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Well, and also just I mean whatever, like these movies
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: are always contradictory, but like again, just having Norm Snivey
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: do essentially what Buddy's trainer is doing, you know, be like, oh,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: let's get this dog to work in the entertainment industry,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: which is presented as the act of a sicico in
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: this movie, when again, we wouldn't be watching the movie
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: if someone had not done that. And we'll talk about
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: his trader too, because there's a lot of lore that
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: going on there as well.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's actually this part where what Josh misses
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: his three pointer and then he gets a pep talk
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: from the coach where the co which is like, look
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: at Buddy, he doesn't care about his point average, which
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: by the way, is one hundred percent from the field.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: Buddy does not miss one single shot. I'm sorry, but
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: you don't know that about him. You don't know that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: about him.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: But he's like, this dog doesn't care about being MVP.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 4: He's doing it for the love of the game. Like, no,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 4: he is not. He's doing it because you guys are
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: making him do it.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: It's the only way that he receives love from people. Right, Yeah,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: it's sad, it's so complicated.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyway, so Josh rescues Buddy from Norm. They run off.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Norm is chasing them in his clown truck which is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: actively falling apart. The breaks, the steering wheel, all this
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: stuff are falling off back.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: When we were a proper country and we invested in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: a proper car chase in the middle of a movie
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: that does not require it. Yes, beautiful, loved it.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yes, And then Norm drives his truck into a lake
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: because the steering wheel and brakes are gone.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: Fly off one third of the movie's budget, right there,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: no reason.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Josh realizes that if he brings Buddy home, Norm will
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: just come back and take him again, so he has
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: to like set him free. He does the whole like, go.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: On, get it. I don't watch anymore.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: Doesn't you understand?
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: What's that movie with the Sasquatch.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Harry and the Henderson's Okay, hey, Harry and the Henderson's buddy,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: so much harder than you need to. I this was
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: actually unbearable to watch.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: I couldn't.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: With my own baby boy curled up like a doughnut
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: in his bed next to me, I was like, I can't,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: and I was screaming at Josh talk to one adult,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: because please, the evil clown has just committed attempted vehicular.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: Manslaughter, dogslaughter, daughter slaughter, yes, if not first degree homicide.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: And this man is not getting the dog back. It's
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: just so Harriet.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: It's the most Harry and the Henderson's I've ever seen.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: It's so terrible, and the greatest devastation of all is
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: that Josh violates airbuds trust. He uses the basketball for evil.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: He's like trying to get air butt. He like hires
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 5: the water taxi to take him to some random islands
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 5: where he leaves Buddy on an island. Yeah, and he's like,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: go away. Don't you understand I don't want you anymore.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: He's like trying to get him to like, somehow, you
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: roughing it in the woods for the rest of your
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: life is better than just us figuring out between human
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: beings where the dogs should live.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: Controversial opinion. The dogs better off living with the clown
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 4: that he himself on an island.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: And western there are bears. Okay, dude, what the hell?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: So anyway, so then Josh cannot get Buddy to leave
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: him alone because they're best friends. Josh, so he chucks
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: the basketball into the woods to get Buddy to go
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: chase it. And I was like, oh, hell, oh, that
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: is unforgivable. You demon child.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: This is like, if this dog gets the water and
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 3: starts paddling, I'm gonna fucking lose it. And sure he
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: gets in the water. And I was sobbing.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: I was so annoyed just watching this because I was like,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: you think, getting the water, Taxi's gonna stop a Golden
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: Retriever from swimming after you.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: And of course the air Bud jumps into the water
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 4: and is like, Josh, come back. The dog playing basketball.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: I could believe the Golden Retriever not swimming all the
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: way across whatever, uh, channel Ford this to chase the boil.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: No chance that dog believable. The dog would not, like
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: Buddy gives up swimming after one point five seconds and
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: it's like, no, not not the Golden Retrievers that I know.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think so, honey, I don't think so.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: I don't think so. He would. That dog would swim
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: all the way back to Josh's house.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, Fernfield, where everything is possible.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 3: No one treats Buddy, right, Everyone like Buddy, he's just
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: been through it. Everyone leaves everyone leaves him.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so sad, it's so unnecessary. Yeah, and I
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: hate that thing. Where a child in a movie will
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: just go rogue and think that he knows best. Talk
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 4: to a lawyer before you abandon your dog on an island.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: I would say, in Josh's defense, look at whose behavior
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: is being modeled at home. The clown could print out
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 3: on a laser jet, I'm allowed to hit this dog
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: with a car, And she'd be like, sorry, Josh, there's
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: nothing I can do. I guess there's nothing that can
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: be done.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: The laws a lot, Josh, I know, sir.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk more about his mom. But after Josh
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: abandons Buddy on an island, we cut to the finals
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: basketball game. It's Josh's team versus the other team that
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: that little shit Larry's Warriors.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: Warriors, yeah yeah.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: And Josh's team is losing pretty bad. Two players on
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Josh's team are injured, another one gets a foul and
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: has to sit out, and then the rest of the
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: team is out with chicken pox that we learn in
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: throwaway line.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Of dialogue ax chicken pocks.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, so now they only have four players.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: But just then Buddy shows up. Does anyone see where
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: this is going? They put Buddy in uniform to play
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: in the game and the refs and the opposing team
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: are like, what the heck dogs can't play basketball, And
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: then coach Arthur is like, check the rule book. You
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: won't find anything that says a dog can't play And
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: then the ref is like, he's right, there's nothing in
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the rule book that says a dog can't play basketball.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: So Buddy starts playing in the game, and he's just
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: what the team needed, because they make a huge comeback,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: and Buddy nearly ties the game with a couple of
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: foul shots, and then Josh has the ball with a
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: few seconds left in the game. It's sort of like
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: a mirror from what we saw earlier, and he takes
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: the shot and this time he makes the three pointer
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: and they win the game. But that it's not the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: end of the movie.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: So it's not just really quickly. The whole that final
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: basketball game is so funny. The other team is so
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: despondent that this they're just getting. This dog is running
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: wild on their asses like Airbud is everywhere. He's a
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: real threat in the paint. He's a threat from outside
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: like he has. He's been playing for two minutes and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 5: already has three assists. He's a he's a menace on
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: the court, okay, and the other coach is just yelling,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 5: will someone guard that dog? Guard that dog? So funny,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 5: and my husband was just like, dee up, Larry, deep up,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: and then fucking Larry fouls Airbud and what might be
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: like the saddest thing saddest fouel I ever.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: I was shocked that they were willing to have a
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: child foul Airport.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 4: So it was so nuts.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: And then yeah, but then they win, and it's very
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: funny at the end because Larry walks off like sort
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: of comically hunched over, like a like if you were
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: just taking improv and learn that that's what you should
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 5: look like when you're sad like sort of like Michael
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: Sarah and walking home and rest of the development when
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: they play Christmas Time is here, my husband and I
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: call that when people are sad like that, we call
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: it Christmas Time because that's the song they play. What
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: George Michael is like walking home. So Larry's just like
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: despondently haunched over leaving the court. But that's what you
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: get from moving your whole family to Spokane.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I guess you know.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: I'd like to say that Airbud not only has basketball skills,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: he also has basketball IQ. He uses his mind and
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: he uses his dog wiles to help win the game.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 4: Like there's a part in the game when Airbud has
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: to do a jump ball and Airbud is standing at
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: two foot six. A jump ball is where there's a
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: contested ball, and so the ref throws the ball in
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: the air and two players. If you're not a basketball head,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: there's no way Airbud's winning this jump ball. But then
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: the moment of truth, Airbud goes and then the opposed
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: player is like what, he's so startled. He's startled.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: He played five D chess. He's a great player. I
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: love that sequence so much. They like they directed the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: hell out of it. Airbud is a star. It's funny
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: he's playing. He Larry fouling him really took me out.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: I was not.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: I was like this this and then he still lost
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: the love and respect of his father. Anyways, Like Airbud's
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: out there and his little sneakers like each it.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: Larry and.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: You assaulted and then got dunked on by a dog,
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: Like Larry is never going to recover from this.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: Well, and the dog also gets rams Larry right in
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: his nuts too.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, true, in what should have been a foul,
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: but Airbud does not get fouled at all.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: There's no rule that says a dog can't ram into
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: a fellow players private.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you should have been a flagrant. Should have been
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: a technical.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: Also, when the when they were first checking the rule
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: book and they decided that that the dog could play,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: that Buddy could play, my husband goes, well, there's probably
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: a rule that you're not allowed to have your dick out.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: You have to wear bottoms. But it's not wearing bottom.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: No, he's loose.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Donald ducking in just tops.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: What a great film. So this is this is the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: ex So the movie is not quite over. It seems
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: like the movie's about to be over. But yeah, the
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: movies like buckle it because there's ten unpredictable minutes coming up.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Norm the clown has shown up to the
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: game demanding Buddy back. But his papers claiming Buddy is
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: his property are all soggy from when he fell in
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: the mud and the lake.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: By the way, whichever one of you it was that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: said that that car chase serve no purpose. That's may
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: I direct your attention true the ziplock of soggy dog papers.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, planting pad which before, of course before they were soggy,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: would have definitely solved it.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: It's not a DNA tesk.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Come on, man, I don't know what papers he's talking about.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, dogs do have pay. I had to turn
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: in papers for my dog recently and it was this
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: really but like I had to prove that he was
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't prove that he his mine. And then I
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: had to prove that he had been fixed. And I
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: knew he'd been fixed, but I couldn't find like a
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: record of him being fixed in twenty nineteen. So I
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: did go to the vet and literally, it's the funniest
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: piece of paper. It's hanging on my fridge. It says, wait,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get it.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 5: Also what did the papers say? Because it becomes clear
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 5: that Norm never named He never gave air Bud a name, right,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: because when he confronts the mom in the backyard, he's like,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: that's my dog. Uh, and then ate and it's like,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: oh it's blue because he sees it on the paint can.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 5: It's like, what does what do the papers say? You
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: never named the dog?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Norm?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: Great point maybe the papers might sound something like this,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Dear Sirs, I examined Sonny on March twenty six five.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: Sonny has no testicles, which is which is, which is
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: consistent with having been neutered in the past, and then
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: just the doctor's signature. I pay thee forty dollars to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: give you that piece of paper. It is the funniest
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: thing that I've ever paid for.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: I hope that that's what norm.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: Dear Sirs, air Bud has no test.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: This unnamed dog has no testicles.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: So Norm is like, I'll see you in court, and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: then we cut to court and it's a hearing that
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: is goofy as hell. But basically Norm is like, this
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: dog is legally mine, and Josh is like, well, buddy
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't even like Norm because he was abusive. And then
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: Coach Arthur shows up to be like, let the dog decide.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: So everyone goes outside.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, can I just say hold on? The coach Arthur
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: walks into the courtroom. He was not there for most
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: of the hearing. He comes in at a pivotal moment
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: and he's like, I have something to say. The coach
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: is like, are you Arthur Cheney?
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 5: The judge from the next Yeah. The judge is like,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: I remember you.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: I was at the game against the Celtics when you
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: hit that turnaround jump shot. And then Arthur Chaney is like, yeah,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: that's right, that's me. I think that you should let
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: the dog decide. The judge has no context for why
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: he's there. It's like if Sean Kemp walked into a
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: random court hearing.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: Like divorce proceedings and was like, let the teenager choose
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: where he wants to live.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't think of that.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: So funny, it's so funny, so funny.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: Well, the whole court, the whole court situation is well,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: it's I eventually realized why so many people were there.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: But there's never anyone just sitting in the gallery of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: a courtroom. And I was like, there's truly nothing going
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: on in this town. If the whole town is showing
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: up to a dog custody bad Like, what is this
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: so awesome?
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: There?
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: This whole like courtroom is run on vibes and they
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: don't they don't really make any if it's like the judge,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: what is the thing he says where he's like, normally
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't do this, but this is hilarious.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: And so people come in my courtroom all the time
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: with terrible ideas about how I should rule, and this
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: time I like it, like.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: It, so let's take He's just like, let's do a
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: silly one, yeah, court case.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Let's keep it wacky, let's keep it light.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: It'll be fun.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: So because he agrees to this, everyone goes outside. They
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: gather around Buddy. We're not sure who he's gonna choose
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: it first, because Buddy's like kind of going over to
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: Norm the clown, because he has rolled up newspaper, but
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: it's only so that Buddy can rip the newspaper to shreds.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: And then he goes over to Josh. So the judge
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: awards custody to Josh of Buddy the dog, and that's
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: the end of the movie.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Finally, it's what a film.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: And the judge is like, bailiffs remove this clown, and
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: then like three cops like bank the clown up and
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: carry him away, even though.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 5: At this point they're outside on the front lawn.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: Where are you removing him to?
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: He's outside, leave him, let's let him go.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: I think he has to go to clown prison.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 5: Oh, clown jail. Sure that makes a lot of sense, true,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: I just I loved it. And as the credits for
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: role as you know, as Lindy mentioned earlier, they go
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 5: out of their way to tell you the basketball scenes
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 5: were not CGI air bu I really did do all
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 5: that stuff. They did not use any sort of like
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: trickery CGI trickery.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 4: It's really impressive in all sincerity. I found the basketball
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: scenes believable. I felt like the dog, he's good. Yes,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: I felt like he was really playing basketball. And like
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: I've seen other similar you know, cinema done with puppets
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: and trickery, and it's not as satisfying and it's not
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: as believable. Really, I really felt these practical effects. I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: loved it. Not even practical effects.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: Just a dog playing basketball, a dog playing basketball, just
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: a dog shooting the jah.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: You love to see it. Let's take another quick break
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: and then we will come back to discuss further.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: And we're back. I mean, okay, wait, can we talk okay?
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: I uh if we talk about the real Buddy for
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: a second, because it is a very complicated story. But
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: there is a lot of history, a lot of lore
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: attached to the dog. Buddy born approximately nineteen eighty eight,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: past February tenth, nineteen ninety eight. He was I don't
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: quite know how to say this last name. He was
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: found by Kevin Decico.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Desico to Chico Chic yet check.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: I don't want to call him Dasco, so I'm gonna
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: say Decico, Kevin Decico, I'll guess. He was found in
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: the Sierra Nevada in the summer of nineteen eighty nine.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: Pulling from scholarly journal Wikipedia here, Desico adopted the Golden
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: retriever and brought him to San Diego, where he quickly
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: per Kevin. Because Kevin does write a memoir about this
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: in twenty twelve called Go Buddy, and he says that
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: he learned that like basically what Buddy does with the
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: basketball is like it's covered in olive oil and he
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: nips at it and it flies, and he learns how
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: to do this, and pretty quickly there are to me
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: some like circus vibes where like Kevin Desico knows he
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: has an opportunity with this dog and he starts. I
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: did some like background research into sort of how this
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: came to be, and it was like Kevin was very
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: trying to make this happen. He appeared at local events,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: then it was state events. Eventually Buddy gets onto David
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: Letterman and people are loving Buddy. Buddy in the early
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: nineties was on It is so wild because I just
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: did an episode of Your Wrong About about Paul Rubins,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: and their arcs are just so similar. So he works
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: and works and works, and he gets on Letterman. People
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: love him on Letterman. They're like, let's let's give this
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: dog a movie. And that's how this comes to pass.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: So there is like show animal vibes to this. But
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: Kevin himself is a complicated figure because he gets basically
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: cut out of the air Bud franchise in spite of
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: the fact that he did create it in a way.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: He didn't write the movie, but you know, he was
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: Buddy's handler. It's because Buddy was so popular on TV
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: that this movie was written. But then Buddy passes away
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: and Kevin sort of has no involvement from what I
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: can tell with the franchise moving forward. It seems like
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: he's had a very difficult life moving forward from there.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: There were a few articles about him last year about
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: him having health struggles. He was unhoused for a time,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: like he's had a challenging life post Buddy. But then
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: there's also very complicated stuff that we've talked about before.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: I think we talked about it a lot during our
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: Babe episode. I think of just I think so that
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: we don't need to fully unpack here because there's so
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: much to talk about, but just the idea of like
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: using real life animals in movies, it's always gonna be
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: a hard sell for me. But like airbud is such
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: an effective sound because because Buddy is incredible.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: He's so good at basketball and he seems like he's
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: having a great time. But in a way, it's like
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: this conversation we're having about should we use child actors
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 5: for anything at all? Ever too, probably not, because there's
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: just I mean that's a little bit different. It's very
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: ripe for exploitation and abuse. That is the exploitation piece
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: and the abuse piece also very true for animals, not
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 5: equating children with animals.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: I guess it's like vulnerable perform Yeah, yeah, And there's
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: not really a lot that's like been said about this
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 3: with regards to Buddies specifically. I feel like probably because
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: of the time it came out, but just reading like
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know the directors did a lot of like
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: fun you know, twentieth anaversary, twenty fifth anniversary retrospectives about Airbud,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: and they're mostly fun. It seems like it was a
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: fun set. Everyone had a nice time. But then you
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: just like, I don't know. I've read an anecdote where
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: he was like talking about Airbud getting the hoop at
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: the end of the basketball game at the climax of
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: the movie, and that it took like thirty takes to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: get it and everyone was getting frustrated, and you're like, oh,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: he's a.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: Little guy, you know, air bottle loone.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: I also read that Kevin Desicco claimed that he was
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 2: not paid anything for the first film and then yeah,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: was basically cut out of the franchise after that, so.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: He doesn't have like an ownership stake and the ip
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: of Airbud in any way, even though like he was
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: the one who originally trained this dog to do all the.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: Right Definitely tragic, and there was an animal, a professional
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: animal trainer on the set luckily, who was also helping
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: with Airbuds like doubles. But yeah, I also saw that
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Kevin Desico wasn't paid, which I'm like, I don't understand
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: how that could have happened when he was literally Buddy
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: s handler. I'm like, did Buddy make money like I'm
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: a doing he did airbud LLC Airbudlosi. But I'm also like,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Buddy making money is basically Kevid Tosicica making money. I
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: don't know. He's a very confusing character to me. I
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: know Buddy had to have been paid. There's no world
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: where Airbud was not compensated.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it just feels so different now, you know,
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 5: in the social media era. Sorry to sound like my
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: own grandmother, but like you know, animals go super viral
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 5: online and then there are in fact animal agents that
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: will help you monetize your pet. And then like the
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: worst thing is when you follow them on Instagram and
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: they start to get old, and then you start to
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 5: get sad because you know, eventually, like.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, Grumpy Cat died ten years ago.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but these days, I don't know, maybe in nineteen
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 5: ninety seven it just was different. It's like, if you
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 5: think about it, if Airbud were on Letterman during the
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: Instagram era, like think of all the brand deals that
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: Airbud would have had with Farmer's dog or whatever. But
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: it's like, I guess dog agents didn't exists. It should
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: dog agents exist probably.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: Now it's like and now I think it's all AI
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: slop dogs anyways, Like I don't even know if dogs
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: aren't even working anymore. And how do you feel, Like,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: how do I don't know?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 4: I feel bad though now that I because I was
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 4: the one who went really hard for how good it
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: was to watch the real dog play basketball, and I
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: just want to say it was those fun ones. But like,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: maybe we don't have to do it again. Maybe we
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: don't have to do a live action remake of yeah,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: of air Bunds.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 5: Definitely, there's a lot of art from the past that
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 5: we don't need to revisit, like remake or revisit or redo,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: you know, where we can still appreciate for what it was.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's other things like that where it's
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: like I don't know. They're like in the fifties they
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: used a radioactive waste as blush and look how beautiful,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: Look how beautiful all the movie stars looked, and you
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: could be like, yes, they looked beautiful, and we don't
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: have to do that.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: And they died moments after wrapped and may they rest
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: in power.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we can appreciate the beauty and then
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: we can say what we're gonna not probably not.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: Do that, but let's not keep doing that.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 5: We're gonna cee Gi the.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: Dog, which we don't need to and there is. We
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: will put the link of the description if you want,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: if you if you wish to know more about the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: horrific production circumstances of the two thousand and eight directed
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: DVD film Snow Buddies, you could read that in the description.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: But this was Paul Walker involved in that one.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: No, he is a different that's a different snow dog movie.
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I think that one might just be called snow Dogs.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: That's that's the Kouba getting Junior one. Oh wait, what's
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: Tyro the Paul Walker snow Dogs movie is?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: I thought he was involved in the one where the
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: dogs died. But I must have made that up because,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 5: oh god, I hope there's.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Not two of them.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: Oh he Okay, Paul Walker's in the movie called eight Below.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: Okay, Oh that's right. I assume all the dogs.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Survived, let's hope.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 3: The last thing to say about Buddy, so he does
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: pass away of cancer. It does not seem that his
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: illness is related to performance at very least. But it's
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: sad he dies a year later.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he only got to enjoy his fame for like
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 5: a year, it sounds like.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: And to add insult to injury, he was nominated for
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: one award, and only one award. It was a Kid's
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: Choice Award for Best Animal, and he lost to Salem
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: the Cat. Oh that's not even a real cat, who's
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: a puppet. He lost to a puppet, insulting, an unbelievable snub.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: Horrific.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, that's like Chadwick Boseman losing to Anthony
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: Hopkins after.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: He died the Oscar. It's bad. Yeah, Oh I hate that. Yeah,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: So that's buddy, now we know.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: You know, I think Kevin has a case, by the way,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: to get some kind of retroactive like life, they should
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: have to buy Kevin's life rights or something to use
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: for the entire franchise. Yeah, and I think the key
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: is Kevin should take the Disney operation to court and
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: all he needs is Arthur Cheney as his attorney.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, speak on it, speak on this.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: To show up and tell the judge what's up.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: He says to the judge. Let the royalties choose where
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: they want to flow. That's right to Kevin or to
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 5: Bob Iger. I think I think we know where the
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: royalties are going.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope, I hope, Yeah, I hope Kevin's well,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: it seems like he's having a hard time.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, poor guy.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 4: I hate that, I really hate that.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I just want to say, Kevin, I know we're
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: very we're feeling very fraught about the animal entertainment piece
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 5: of this. But he did a real good job training
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: that dog. Yeah, and he brought me a lot of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: happiness when I was watching air. But I just want
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: you to know, if you're listening, which I'm sure you are,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Thanks keV, Thank you, Kevin.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: Can we talk about I guess Jackie Josh's mom? Sure?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah? What else?
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: What else is there to say about? I've had Jackie?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Well, Okay, this is a Disney movie. Within a live mom,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: there is a parent who has passed away, and it's
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: the dad this time, which is pretty unusual for a
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Disney movie.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: There's always at least one dead parrot in a Disney.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Movie, right, almost always? Yes, canon, Now this happened recently,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: where this where Jackie's husband passed away very tragically and violently.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: He didn't need to be that bad.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think so. But this does
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: not seem to be affecting her, or if it is,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: the movie doesn't care to explore that in any meaningful way.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: She's busy with her napkin job and then her second job,
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: whatever that might be. Her whole storyline in the movie
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: is like where are my newspapers again? This movie could
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: have easily explored something a little And I get it.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: It's a kid's movie. You don't want to go too
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: heavy and deep on too many things, but it's right there,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: Like why wouldn't there be some sort of like moment
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: in which she and Josh bonded over the loss of Yeah,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: over like grieving for Josh's father, Like it just is
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: so goofy.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't show her struggling or grieving, and maybe
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: that's just that is her coping mechanism to be could
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: be relentlessly positive and happy. But really, the only time
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: she brings up the dad, she's just talking, saying to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: the principle like, oh, he hasn't spoken since his dad died,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 5: which Jackie hello and then she's like, but maybe he
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: just needs a hobby, like the tuba job or something,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: and that's really And she doesn't even have that conversation
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: with Josh. She's like talking to the principle.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: I think she just signs him up for band without
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: him knowing.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: And again it's like she's in a very difficult circumstance.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: I want to show Jackie race where I can, but
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: she's just like her her bedside manner is not good.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: Like she there's that scene where she goes up to
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: Josh and he's upset because he's also like, I don't know,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: I know this for her job, but like moving after
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: a loss that's severe and like being away from your
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: family and friends to be really hard. But she says, quote,
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: your dad wouldn't want you being all MOPI unquote.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 4: So manipulative, who so evil?
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: And then and then make the dogs sleep outside. I
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: was like, she's a bit evil at times, like I, yeah, her.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: Emotional regulation is definitely questionable. I understand why, but it
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: is very it's almost like kind of evil stepmother. I
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: mean she I know, she says actual mother, not stepmother,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: to be like, I don't think your dad would like
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: that very much witty.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: You know, it's weird.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: I think it's a case of the movies, which is
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: what so many movies do, caring more about the male characters,
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: the little boy's relationship with his father, than it does
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: about any women or girls in the movies. They're just like, well,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: he has to have a mom. She's gonna be at
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: work all the time at Napkin Factory, and she's gonna
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: be in a few scenes here and there, but mostly
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: it's just gonna be an unso provides child walking around
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: and shooting hoops with a dog like Josh, it spends
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: so much time unsupervised by an adult. He's always just
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: loose in the world. The dog is similarly loose, just
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: going all over the place.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's also never explained how Airbud makes it back
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: from that remote island in time for the basketball.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: This is where mister water Taxi comes in. It's his story.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Or maybe he really did just swim the whole expanse
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: of that body of water.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: But yeah, they're both just kind of out there doing whatever,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: And then we've already touched on this. But like the
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: little sister, even to a lesser extent gets characterized.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: And just she is ignored.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: I don't even know her name, oh on Fred, but
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: it's only because I read stuff about the sequels that
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: she's in.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: She's not based on the Airbud fan YouTube videos I
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: was watching. She is not a fan for a favorite.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: She's pretty despose. They're not fans of Andrea. They're like,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: she's a flop. She is bad at but like her brother,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: she is bad at every sport she tries, which is
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: an interesting creative choice.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, good for her.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: This family is just like full of losers. Anyways.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: The other big thing I want to talk about with
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: this movie is its depiction of class, especially in regards
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: to Norm the Clown, because we have maybe the most
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: cartoonish villain of all time in a live action movie,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: to the point where he's literally a clown. He is
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: abusive to animals, he hates children. There's all this stuff
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: that makes him completely unlikable and unsympathetic to the audience.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: And on top of that, he is poor, and that's
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: supposed to be another thing that we don't like about him,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: I think, which is a very common trope I feel like,
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: especially in children's media, but across all media thinks you
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: have like Sid and Toy story he lives on the
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: wrong side of town kind of thing. Yeah, and therefore
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: he's bad. And I feel like the idea here is that,
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: like the character is poor and it's his fault rather
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: than any systemic issue. And I feel like movies like
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: this imply that the character being poor is part of
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: what makes them a bad person.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, I don't. Can I just okay, look not
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: to be spicy, I agree with all of that. I
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: think that that's a real trope. I think that this
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 4: movie is certainly engaging in that trope. On the other hand,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 4: can I just say to Norm the clown get a real.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: Job or be a better clown? Right, he's not even
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: committed to his craft, you know.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: But it's not like he's like I'm you know, I
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: can't work. He's going out and working birthday parties. He
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: just doesn't like it. So he's doing a bad job.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: Like it's like, I don't know, man, maybe go work
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: at the napkin factory. I'm not saying that any of
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: this is your fault.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I've kind of followed the middle there,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: because it is interesting that, like the reason he is
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: poor is ostensibly really because he is an artist quote unquote,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: like he's in the arts, which many such cases, and
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: also that like he I don't know, there's there's he's
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: just like a pile of tropes and I don't know
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: what to make of him, and the performance is so campy,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: Like I agree that, like, yeah, the the class tropes
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: are very present, as are that. Like again, it's just
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: adding something that just feels like unnecessarily complicated for the
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: kind of movie. This is making him an alcoholic as well,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: and like just throwing that in there. I you know,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know what to make of him. I do
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: agree that it's like the fact that it's I guess
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: I am like glad that he isn't being given like
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: a working class job to imply that he's a bad person.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: And we also do have I mean, in Arthur's character,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: we have another working class character who's subject to many
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: other tropes. I don't know. Yeah, it's like so campy,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: it over the top that I don't really know what
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: to make of it.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: How did he get into clowning? Did he used to
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: have a passion for it but he lost it?
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's into clowning enough that he has a
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: custom truck that has a giant, professionally made clown head
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: on the top.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: So well, yeah, he's invested.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: He had one, well until he drove it into that length.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: Was it the family business?
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, maybe it's speaking of fathers. Maybe his father
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: was moved the whole family to Spokane to force him
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: to go to clown college. Oh, something to think about.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know. It's just yeah, just one trope
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: on top of the next. And it's all very cartoonish.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: And again like a character who's struggling with addiction. The
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: movie so so like, and that's also why he's a
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: bad person. And I know that this is a complicated
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: matter where people who are dealing with addiction do behave
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes in ways that is harmful to themselves and others,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: But movies like this never approach it with any nuance. Yeah,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: and it's just like, well, he's an alcoholic and he's poor,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: therefore bad.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, therefore villain.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: Also, I'm sorry I said that Arthur might have a
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: gambling problem. I was just trying to I thought that
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: was in the movie. Are you just made that up?
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: I've made that up. I was trying to hypothesize how
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: you lose all of your NBA money, And I.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: Mean that's what Michael Jordan dealt with in real life, right,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: so maybe I mean exactly.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: He says that it's not a gambling problem if you
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 5: don't run out of money, and he has never run
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: out of money, therefore he doesn't have a problem.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 3: That's what he says.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: And I'm paraphrasing, but that's basically what he said.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 3: Addiction is an otherfucker.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: It's wild out there, folks.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like and I would be so shocked if
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: the writers of this movie were even remotely doing anything
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: but just like pulling well worn tropes out of their
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: ass in that way.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: But I'd like to say that Arthur could have been
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: swindled by an unscrupulous agent. True, there are many things,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: many things could have happened to Arthur.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, I can't imagine it was a picnic to
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: be a black player and the NBA in nineteen fifty six.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: And also like shoe deals, endorsement deals, that stuff where
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 5: athletes actually make most of their money, Like none of
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: that stuff interested until like the seventies and eighties. So
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: that's right, poor Arthur and then but also that he
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: felt like he had to hide his accomplishments from people
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: just it just makes you sad. And then he kind
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 5: of applies his great wealth of knowledge to help some
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: random I mean, I don't know. Yeah, obviously Josh is
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 5: going through a lot too, But it's like Arthur heal thyself, sir, you.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: Know it really is. Yeah, like Arthur could be there's
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: a whole separate, very overly serious family drama about Arthur
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: her but it's just sort of left on the table
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: there not so much about norm I don't know. I
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: don't know if there's if there's enough runway for a
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: full movie there maybe though I don't know, there's maybe
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: a bobcat gold White movie in there.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 4: I don't Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, isn't that kind of what Baskets is about?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: There you go, there you go, Yeah, there's it's like
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: it's frustrating, but it's like I love, I love being
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: shown a trophy character when they're when they're doing something
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: with it. But that's not the kind of movie where
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: we're really watching. No, except with regards to Golden Retrievers,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: in which case we.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: Got a real nuanced look at what dogs are capable of.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: I think so true in this film.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: Another another trophy character I felt was the judge. At
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: the end, it felt like a lot of ageist tropes
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: were happening there where, Like, yes, he can't see, he
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: can't hear, he doesn't seem to understand what's going on
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: around him. He's horrible at his job.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: However, speaking of having controversial takes about judges, specifically, if
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: you have been appointed for life to a judge ship
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: and you don't know where you are or what's going on,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: please retire, and please retire when Barack Obama is president.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: A judge of any stature at any time, Yes.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: If you could just go ahead and not wait until
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: Donald Trump is president to retire, slash Die, that would
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 5: help us all out a great deal.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: Thank you, just throwing that.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 5: It does not about age, it's about ability.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: We'll just put it that way, the ability to judge.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: Just throwing that out there, this judge.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: It's so funny because it's like you don't even need
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 3: those tropes because the character.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: Like the situation is goofy enough, and I just love
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: that the.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Characters like I don't give a fuck, I'm gonna do
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: it feel as good, Like that's that's fun enough on
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: its own, like him just being like whatever today is,
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: I'm today doesn't count. Today's a silly one, Like that's
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: fun today.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 5: We're making a TikTok on the front lawn of the.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about the sequels, But the
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: thing I was curious about them is that because I
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: knew nothing about I don't know if it was the
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: same cast, even the same dog. You know, I knew nothing,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: and I was curious about is it ever girls playing sports? Yes,
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: And the answer is kind of so. Air Bud Golden Receiver,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: the sequel that immediately follows this one, is about American
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: football and it seems to be all boys. Air Bud
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: World Pup is the soccer slash real football movie where
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: it is a co ed team, but it does seem
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: to be mostly boys. There is I think at least
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: one girl on the team. Maybe she is the only one.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't watch the movie, hard to say.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 3: And then when the focus comes to Andrea, then we.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Got to say. In the next one, Seventh Inning Fetch,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: which is the baseball movie, again seems to be a
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: co ed team. But I was scrubbing through the movie
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: on Disney Plus and it is seems to be mostly
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: boys again, and then then the next one is Airbud
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: Spikes Back. The Volleyball movie also a co ed team,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: although it almost doesn't seem like an official like like
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: a school sports team. I think they're just sort of
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: like casually playing beach volleyball, and Airbud gets involved. I
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: can't really tell. But this one also centers Andrea, Josh's sister,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: so girls do get more meaningfully involved in the franchise
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: as it goes.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: On the Hairbud universe, but it is.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: Still mostly centering boys playing sports and dogs playing sports.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 4: Is the dog ever a girl?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: So no, Airbud gets a girl friend and they literally
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: missus Airbud hert. As far as I know, missus Arabud
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: does not play sports. She's a stay at home missus Airbud.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not totally sure. I do know that in the
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: third or fourth one he gets a girl friend, and then.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's world puffs pro pup okay, believe you.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: And then he I don't like how they talk about
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: dogs having babies. He sires puppies sires, that's nasty. But
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: he does he does have puppies who become the stars
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: of air Buddies.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: I see, I see, well, the legacy of title nine
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 5: is in tatters in the Airbud universe.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: It's true. It's true.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Title nine more like K nine?
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: What is?
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: And there it is?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: I don't have anything else to say about the movie.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: I just want to say that this was a gift.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: I know we have a lot of fraught feelings about
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: the ethics of Airbud, but boy, I haven't laughed like
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: that in months. I think Airbud cured my very severe depression.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 5: Glad to him, I say, I salute to Airbud and
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: his progeny.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: I salute you.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: Oh so a very funny movie. I laughed a lot.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about?
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: Well? Are we going to talk about the Bechdel Test?
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: Because I have something to say about that.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: Did anyone? Did anyone pass?
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I wasn't really paying attention.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know if this counts, but because I actually
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 4: didn't clock the the mom on the phone, so I
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: guess it could have been.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 5: I don't think that counts because she wasn't.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: We don't see we don't hear the grandmother speaking.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, so to me, the only one I noticed is
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: when they first get to the new house and the
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: mom says to both kids, so what do you think?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: What do you think?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 5: So?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: What do you what do you think of the house?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: Does that count?
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: Does little baby Andrea respond?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: She kind of goes, ah, I think it counts. I can't.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 5: I can't.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 3: I don't think. Usually then we'll kick it to like
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: does it spiritually pass? And I just feel like, no,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: way doesn't spiritually pass.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: Like there's a part when the mom talks to the principal,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 4: except they're talking about Josh and his dad and his
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: dad Yeah.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: Exploded father.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's a no on the Bechdel test.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: But I kind of I'm standing by mind where the
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: mom asks the baby if she likes the apartment?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair for fair.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 4: I think that was pretty good.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to throw in here really quick, because
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: we sometimes, I don't know, sometimes enemy sometimes. Friend of
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: the show Roger Ebert gave this movie three stars, which.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: I just thought was very out of three out of
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: four out of.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Four, pretty high spore and his whole I do like
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: his reviews that are like this. He's like, look, I
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: went in expected to have a bad time, and I
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: was moved yep, and so and so I have no
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: choice but to give it three stars. I was like,
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: good for you, Good for you for recognizing.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: That's how I feel. I agree he's right on.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: My only disagreement is that I would give it four.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of giving the movie a number of things
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: on a scale, so it's our nipple scale. We rate
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: the movie zero to five nipples based on examining the
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: movie through an intersectional feminist lens. And while this is
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: a romp and while this has some great dog acting
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: and basketball abilities, I would say on the nipple scale
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: it gets one nipple because there a mom is there.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: But based on all the things we've talked about regarding
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 2: tropes surrounding poor characters and black characters and everything that
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: we've discussed, Yeah, I think only one nipple, and I
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: will give it to Buddy the Dog.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I would give it. I would give
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: it two, although I'm not super familiar with the scale,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 4: so I could be off. But I just feel like
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: thinking about the era and like the time that we
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: grew up in, and like there's so much media that
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: is that doesn't just use tropes but is like overtly
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: offensive truth and like degrading and derogatory and what. It
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: doesn't have any of that. It's just sort of like
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: ideologically insensitive and clumsy.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: I think, I guess maybe the Bars on the Ground
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 5: for media that came out in the nineties. But it's
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 5: like a lot of stuff you can't go back and
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: watch because there's like the use of slurs and just
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: like wild comments about people's weight or whatever, like really
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 5: out of pocket jokes that are just like completely racially
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 5: based or just outright racist or whatever. And so like
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 5: a lot of the issues that I if you even
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 5: want to call them issues, I cannot emphasize enough.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: I love this movie so much.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: I really loved it.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 5: It's like stuff that you learn about later, like when
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: you go to college, and then when you rewatch something,
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, that's that trope I learned about in
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: my film studies class, which I took, by the way,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 5: you know, So like, yeah, is there this like sort
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 5: of ridiculous and often harmful magical negro trope?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: Is it the worst one I've ever seen?
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: Not by far?
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 5: You know what I mean? So it's like I'm on
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: a human scale, I'm given it four stars. On the
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: feminist intersectional scale, I will also I will give it
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: too as well, because to Lindy's point, there was nothing
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: happening in it where that was like active pointed, like
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: stuff where you couldn't show it to a kid today,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 5: which a lot of stuff from that era fits into
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 5: that category, like you can't show it to a child
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 5: because they're.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: Like, oh god, you watched this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah totally.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing really like that that happens in air. But
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  Speaker 5: it's just sort of like an absentee mother.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I'm just too busy at the napkin factory.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And like I really and.
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  Speaker 5: They could have done a much better job giving coach
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  Speaker 5: Arthur Cheney a full, nuanced and inner rich life and
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  Speaker 5: they don't do that, which is too bad.
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  Speaker 4: I thought maybe the mom and Arthur were gonna get together.
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  Speaker 5: Hello.
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  Speaker 4: That was one of the things.
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  Speaker 3: I just get it, like it's giving the movie credit
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  Speaker 3: for what it doesn't do versus what it does. But
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  Speaker 3: I was surprised that they did toss in a boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: I guess would be pretty insensitive due to her husband
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  Speaker 3: just exploded. But a lot a lot of movies would,
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  Speaker 3: A lot of movies would, and that eventually does have.
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  Speaker 3: That happens literally in the next movie is she meets
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  Speaker 3: a new guy right away and she's like, I'm over it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm over it, Enter Patrick, I'm gonna be a coward
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  Speaker 3: and split the difference at one and a half. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: and that's going to be my choice. I want to
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  Speaker 3: say one more thing that I think that the true
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: villains of this franchise, if we're talking about people that
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: are like profiting off of animal performers with animal standards,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: to get worse and worse as time goes on. Two
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  Speaker 3: brothers produced this movie, which I always find to be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit evil show business brothers. I just don't
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  Speaker 3: like it. The Vince brothers, Robert Vince and William Vince.
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  Speaker 3: They have William Vince has produced like real movies quote
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  Speaker 3: unquote no offense, but like uh like he produced movies
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  Speaker 3: we've covered on the show. He produced Saved, he produced Capoti,
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  Speaker 3: whereas Robert Vince especially seems to have made a fortune
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  Speaker 3: exploiting animals for movies. He produced MVP Most Valuable Primate,
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  Speaker 3: He did all the air buds, including the one where
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  Speaker 3: five puppies died and more recently has been doing stuff
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  Speaker 3: called like monkey up pop Star. Like It's like, this
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  Speaker 3: is someone who probably like owns a house in Beverly
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  Speaker 3: Hills based on exploiting animals.
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  Speaker 5: So I know he hated to watch Chimp Crazy, that documentary.
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  Speaker 4: Ringing.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the last. Yeah, I just would saying those
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  Speaker 3: guys freak me out. Also, just in general, brothers freaked
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  Speaker 3: me out.
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  Speaker 4: Conceptually, I think boo to brothers.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I give z Rowe nipples to brothers.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like movies about brothers. I don't like I
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 3: don't know my fiance has a brother. I'm like, don't
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  Speaker 3: hang out with them. Like, yeah, it's a scary bond
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  Speaker 3: break up. Some human bonds should not be preserved totally.
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