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Scott Payne Stopped a Murder For Hire Plot(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: But most of the ones that you did, it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty close to who you were, though. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The exception would be when I got called for murder
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  Speaker 2: for hire because I'm a jokester. I got a pretty
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  Speaker 2: sick sense of humor. I may know or not. I
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  Speaker 2: usually say this. I might not know a lot, but
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  Speaker 2: I know funny. That's fair. So sense of humor, jovial.
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  Speaker 2: But when I'm doing a murder for hire or what
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  Speaker 2: I would call a closer, like if you're somebody wanting
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  Speaker 2: to do something bad and you're meeting me and you
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  Speaker 2: want to bomb me, I call that like a closer.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm providing you with a gun that you want
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  Speaker 2: to go shoot up a synagogue or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Got it. I call that a closer. So those, my
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  Speaker 2: jovialness goes away. I never, I mean, I wouldn't, there's
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  Speaker 2: no point in me really building rapport with you because
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  Speaker 2: you think I'm a stone cold killer. Got it. And
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  Speaker 2: the stone cold killer, those are usually quicker cases too.
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  Speaker 1: Have there been some murder for hires that you got
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  Speaker 1: involved in?
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And who's often trying to kill whom? Is there a
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  Speaker 1: commonality there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would say, It would be spousal, right? It
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  Speaker 2: would probably be the most, but it would be like wife,
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  Speaker 2: cheating wife, and her, the man she's cheating with, solicit
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  Speaker 2: me to kill the husband because there's like a $ 92, 000
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  Speaker 2: life insurance plan. Got it. I never, the stuff you
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  Speaker 2: see in the movies, and I mean, I've known some
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  Speaker 2: of my mentors that have done those $ 100, 000 payment hits.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, not in my world, man. It was $ 10, 000.
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  Speaker 2: I'll give you $ 12, 000 after we collect the insurance policy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you're telling me you want me to go
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  Speaker 2: kill somebody on your word. Wow. No, that's not how
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  Speaker 2: this works. Yeah. So give me something, you know?
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  Speaker 1: And where would they meet? Where does somebody like that
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  Speaker 1: usually try to meet you at for the first time? Like,
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  Speaker 1: is there a general place?
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  Speaker 2: No. I mean, I've met them in hotel rooms. I've
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  Speaker 2: met them at their place.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: One of the ones that's in the book, I got.
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  Speaker 2: They believed we were bikers. I brought in a task
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  Speaker 2: force officer. They believed we were one percenter bikers and
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  Speaker 2: they were hiring us to do four home invasions and murder,
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  Speaker 2: I think, two or three people. But what they do
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  Speaker 2: is they knew where the dope was because the son
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  Speaker 2: was running the dope and the money. So he knew
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  Speaker 2: of four different drug dealers and he knew where the
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  Speaker 2: cash was at, where the guns were at, where the
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  Speaker 2: dope was at, and every house. So the plan was
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  Speaker 2: to do four home invasions and then murder two of
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  Speaker 2: them and then I get some money, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: That seems like a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And she was a wild one, man. This was later
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  Speaker 2: in my career. And like I told you, I would
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  Speaker 2: joke around and be like, with headquarters, I'm like, how
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  Speaker 2: come I don't get to go to like, you know, overseas?
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  Speaker 2: And how come I don't... How come I don't get
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  Speaker 2: to get on big boats, you know? Yeah, I can
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  Speaker 2: get on one if I'm cleaning it, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean? I'm getting the chum out the back, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't I get the big gigs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what is this? Oh, I get to carry the luggage.
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  Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah. If I'm in a fancy environment, it's
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  Speaker 2: because I was muscle for the main person there. That's it.
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  Speaker 1: Amen. Yeah, sometimes you need that guy to stand next.
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  Speaker 2: To the guy. Yeah, I'll just stand in the back,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Was there ever an environment where somebody pulled out a
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  Speaker 1: weapon and it was really?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have been. But let me tell
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  Speaker 2: you about Tammy real quick, though.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So we go for this one case, and it was
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  Speaker 2: in Ohio. We know we're going to meet the husband,
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  Speaker 2: and we thought it was the husband's plan because we've
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  Speaker 2: talked to somebody that's talked to them, and we know
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  Speaker 2: that they're looking for somebody to do this kind of thing.
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  Speaker 1: You thought it was the husband's plan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So we go to the garage, and we're talking
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  Speaker 2: to the husband, and he's like, well, it's not my plan.
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  Speaker 2: It's my old lady's. And I'm like, well, why are
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  Speaker 2: we talking to you then? Where's the old lady? She's like. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: she's sleeping. We're all staring, awkward silence. You think I
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  Speaker 2: should go wake her up? I said, I didn't drive
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  Speaker 2: all the way out here to talk to no one.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to do business. Let's do business. He goes
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  Speaker 2: and wakes her up. She hops in the truck in
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  Speaker 2: the front passenger seat. They're in the back. She is tweaking.
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  Speaker 2: She's clawing herself. Flakes of skin are going everywhere. We're
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  Speaker 2: probably inhaling it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you can cook up a little bit of that skin.
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  Speaker 1: You can grill you up a little bowl of it.
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  Speaker 2: Pork rinds, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Hit it. Smoke that shit.
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  Speaker 2: That's some foreground. That's some real foreground. That's some foreground, man.
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  Speaker 2: So we're driving, and as she's showing us all these spots,
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  Speaker 2: she's like talking out fast. She's kind of tweaking a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. At least that's my opinion. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if she was on drugs.
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  Speaker 1: And she's hiring to kill the husband?
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  Speaker 2: No. It was her idea. I mean, the husband's involved,
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  Speaker 2: but it was her idea. So she's the one that
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  Speaker 2: gets in the car because it's her son. that's driving
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  Speaker 2: around the dope for these people. Got it. So she's
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  Speaker 2: showing us these spots, but why she's showing us these spots,
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  Speaker 2: she starts talking all this crazy stuff. She's like, she's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm really into torture. So if you need
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  Speaker 2: anybody tortured that you bring, I'm really big into it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, driving. I'm like, all right. And again,
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  Speaker 2: it's later in my career. I'm just kind of, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if I'm nonchalant or desensitized or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it, but I'm driving. She says, you
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  Speaker 2: know that you can take, I can get graphic on here, right?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's graphic.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So she says, it's in the book anyway. She says,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can take a hanger and bend it
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  Speaker 2: on the end and shove it into the man's penis. Sorry,
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  Speaker 2: I hit the microphone. So I said, all right, bend
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  Speaker 2: a hanger on the end, shove it into a man's penis,
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  Speaker 2: rip it back out and then pour salt in the womb.
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  Speaker 2: Now the guys in the back are going, Oh goodness. Great.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man. And I'm like, literally two weeks prior to that,
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  Speaker 2: I'd had my second lumbar fusion. The surgery was great
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  Speaker 2: and an easy recovery, but they had messed up. I
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  Speaker 2: had to get dry cath. So as she's describing that,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's pretty much what I felt two
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago. No way.
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  Speaker 1: So it's hitting home with you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So then she's like, and then you can take, there's
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  Speaker 2: another one you can do. You can take a PVC
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  Speaker 2: pipe and shove it up somebody's anus, run barbed wire
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  Speaker 2: up in it and rip their anus from the inside out.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's insane.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And I'm looking at her and I'm going, we
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  Speaker 2: pull up to the red light and I lean over
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  Speaker 2: and I go, why are you so angry? And she's like. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She said, I think one of the lines, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if she used it right then or later, she said,
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  Speaker 2: I've been unlucky in love.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So as we're.
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  Speaker 1: Getting- Well, she's talking damn, I mean, she's looking, she's
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  Speaker 1: doing like, it sounds like she's doing side quests from
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  Speaker 1: Home Depot or something, in Laredo or whatever. Right. Because
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  Speaker 1: that shit's... I was.
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  Speaker 2: Undercover in Laredo.
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  Speaker 1: What is she talking about, dude? She sounds just like
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  Speaker 1: an angry ex-Lowe's employee or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: So we're driving, and I'm like, are you sure you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to kill these people? She goes, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows me around here, but if you need somebody
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  Speaker 2: to torture, I can torture them. I'm like, oh, my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: So we pull up to the next red light, and
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  Speaker 2: she says, you know, my husband, I told him never
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  Speaker 2: go on a bender again. She said he was gone
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  Speaker 2: for three or four days, up all the time. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was cocaine she said he was using. But
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  Speaker 2: went on a cocaine bender. She said he came back.
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  Speaker 2: She couldn't find him. He came back. She said he
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  Speaker 2: passed out so hard. He didn't wake up. You know
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  Speaker 2: what she did to him? And he's a skinny man.
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  Speaker 2: She said, so I went and got a two-by-four, and
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  Speaker 2: I shoved it under his legs, and I took an
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  Speaker 2: industrial stapler and stapled his scrotum to the board. And
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  Speaker 2: when he woke up from it, he's trying to stand up,
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  Speaker 2: but it's stapled to the board behind him, and he's
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  Speaker 2: trying to move, and he's screaming for her to take
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  Speaker 2: it out. She said no. He had to call his
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  Speaker 2: friend over to do it. We confirmed it with the husband.
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  Speaker 2: I thought, man, she's got to be full of it.
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  Speaker 2: He said, nope, she did it. And I said, and
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  Speaker 2: you're still with her? He said, I ain't never had
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  Speaker 2: nobody do nothing like that to me. And I'm like, well, dad,
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  Speaker 2: come on.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes love is just so violent.
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  Speaker 2: I know. And so when she said that part, as
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  Speaker 2: we're pulling up to stop, because one of the task
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  Speaker 2: force officers, he was like, he goes, man, remind me
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  Speaker 2: never to piss you off, you know, one of those things,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah. When we pulled up, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: that stuff's running through my head, all the scenarios. And
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  Speaker 2: when we pull up, I go, you watch a lot
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  Speaker 2: of slasher flicks? And she goes, that's all I watch.
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  Speaker 2: And I went, now it's making sense. She's talking about
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  Speaker 2: human centipede, like sewing a body into a body. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, good gravy. I'm like, but in my mind,
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  Speaker 2: I'm laughing to myself because I'm going, these are my people.
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  Speaker 2: This is what my skill set leads me to. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? I go back in the backwoods
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  Speaker 2: and somebody's talking, not trying to chastise anybody, but They're talking,
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  Speaker 2: they don't have any teeth, and their lips aren't moving.
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  Speaker 2: I had to revert back to my family, some distant
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  Speaker 2: people in my family to go, okay, now I know
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  Speaker 2: what they're saying. This is where I belong. Now I
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  Speaker 2: know what they're saying. Because at first I'm like, what?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going, oh, I know what you're saying. I'm translating.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, well, you never really lose where you're from,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Just start hanging out with them. I'll get more and
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  Speaker 2: more country.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, yeah, that happens quick. You go home and
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  Speaker 1: home comes back to you. Because it's always been there.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's just like it sits on the sidelines. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: it's intermingled with the new places you're at.