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VERDICT WATCH in the Dereck Chauvin/George Floyd murder trial! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: We are in a verdict. Watch here at crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: As a jury deliberates the case of Derek Chauvin, former
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Speaker 1: cop now on trial for the murder of mister George Floyd,
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Speaker 1: you will learn that on May twenty five of twenty twenty,
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Speaker 1: mister Derek Shavin betrayed this badge. In opening statements, prosecutor
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Speaker 1: Jerry Blackwell making the case that Chauvin's use of excessive
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Speaker 1: and unreasonable force caused Floyd's death. He put his knees
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Speaker 1: upon his neck and his back, grinding and crushing him.
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Speaker 1: The prosecution then showed the jury nine minutes and twenty
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Speaker 1: nine seconds of cell phone video that shocked the world.
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Speaker 1: Floyd insisting he can't breathe more than twenty times bystanders
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Speaker 1: pleading with officers to do something, but you can get
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Speaker 1: them up the ground. You've been a bomb right now?
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Speaker 1: Six minutes, not for seven minutes, eight minutes in Domina
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Speaker 1: moves yeah, bro sures wants Floyd lose consciousness. Chauvin took
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Speaker 1: notes as the video played. Of course, as trial lawyers,
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Speaker 1: we all know that defendants are told when you don't
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Speaker 1: know what else to do, look down and take a
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Speaker 1: note or at least for ten like you are, even
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Speaker 1: though j Simpson pretended to take notes and let me
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Speaker 1: turned out later there were just a bunch of doodles. Again,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: in series Sex and one eleven. Let me introduce to
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Speaker 1: you an all star panel to make sense of what's
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Speaker 1: happening in court. First of all, we're now lawyer and
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Speaker 1: Jim Elliott Butler's snow LLLP Instagram Jim Elliot in nineteen
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Speaker 1: fifty seven, Doctor Jory Crassen, police psychologist, faculty Saint Leo University,
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Speaker 1: Research consultant with the Blue Wall Institute, author of Operation
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Speaker 1: so OS practical recommendations to stop officer suicide. Doctor William
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Speaker 1: Maroney and name you nowell Chief Medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan,
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Speaker 1: author of American Narcan. He actually created a mobile opioid
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Speaker 1: treatment center to basically fight the opioid epidemic. One handed.
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Speaker 1: Karen L. Smith joining me, forensic host an expert of
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Speaker 1: Shattered Soul's podcast at Karen's Forensics and bear Bones Forensics
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Speaker 1: dot com. But first to Christie Missouri joining me Emmy
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Speaker 1: Award winning investigative reporter, and you can find her at
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Speaker 1: Successful strategies, PR and crisis communications. Christy, the jury is
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Speaker 1: in deliberations. How long have they been out, including yesterday?
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Speaker 1: So they deliberated until nine o'clock Eastern time. Then they
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Speaker 1: were sequestered. They're slated to be back in. But you
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Speaker 1: can feel the angst in this city right now. It's
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Speaker 1: the same tension that gripped Los Angeles in the Rodney
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Speaker 1: King case, in the O. J. Simpson case. Three thousand
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Speaker 1: members of the National Guard are out patrolling the streets
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Speaker 1: as our protesters. It is a city on edge. This
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Speaker 1: jury is debating thirteen days plus of testimony, and of course,
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Speaker 1: right in the middle of this, congress Person Maxine Waters
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Speaker 1: drops a bomb basically insisting for a guilty verdict. The
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Speaker 1: jury may very well hand down a guilty verdict, but
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Speaker 1: to have a congress person comment on the case very
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Speaker 1: unusual and potentially grounds for a mistrial. Guys, you heard
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Speaker 1: a little bit of what the prosecution had to say
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Speaker 1: an opening statements, But listen to this. Defense attorney Eric
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Speaker 1: Nelson argued Floyd's death was caused by under lying heart
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Speaker 1: disease and drug youth, and you will learn that Derrek
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Speaker 1: Chauvin did exactly what he had been trained to do
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Speaker 1: over the course of his nineteen year career. Officers initially
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Speaker 1: responded to a call about a counterfeit twenty dollar bill.
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Speaker 1: The evidence will show that when confronted by police, mister
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Speaker 1: Floyd put drugs in his mouth in an effort to
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Speaker 1: conceal them from the police. The defense says officers struggled
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Speaker 1: to get a Floyd to comply that this was not
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Speaker 1: an easy struggle. Straight out to doctor William Moroney, Chief
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Bay County, Michigan. Doctor Moroney, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. We need your insight because
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Speaker 1: I know that George Floyd may have had, well did
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Speaker 1: have drugs in his system. There's no may to it.
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Speaker 1: But in my mind, that's like saying, my producer Jackie
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Speaker 1: set in my house on fire, but I died of
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Speaker 1: a not the house fire. It just how does it
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Speaker 1: compute in your mind as a renowned medical examiner. Well,
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Speaker 1: I go to the Department of Justice assessment of the autopsy,
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Speaker 1: which was done by the Armed Forces Medical Examiner Office,
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Speaker 1: which has no dog in the hunt. They're absolutely down
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Speaker 1: the middle, impartial. You have to look at what they said.
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Speaker 1: They approved the doctor Baker autopsy. It was a cardial
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Speaker 1: pulmonary arrest during restraint and subduel in the presence of
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Speaker 1: sentinel intoxication. Okay, you know why I would have to
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Speaker 1: school you on the stand of course, you're much more
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Speaker 1: brilliant than any of us put together. Actually, nobody knows
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Speaker 1: what you just said, Soumi damn for all us law
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Speaker 1: yours and forensics experts and psychologists on the panel today.
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Speaker 1: First of all, what were you saying about who conducted
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Speaker 1: the autopsy? And remember, in regular people talk, the Hennepig
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Speaker 1: County Medical Examiner, doctor Baker produced an autopsy report that
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Speaker 1: made the decision. And remember this is a guy who
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Speaker 1: works for government, who doesn't work for the defense, that
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Speaker 1: there was a cardio pulmonary arrest. Now, the prosecution didn't
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Speaker 1: like that because they want that word asphyxiation. And there
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Speaker 1: was no signs of lack of oxygen with muscle damage
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Speaker 1: with petit kii in the autopsy. But it was because
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Speaker 1: George Floyd could not tolerate the subduel, he could not
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Speaker 1: tolerate the restraint. And in the that the question is
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Speaker 1: about the drugs, Doctor Baker answered a question if if
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Speaker 1: he didn't have subduel and he didn't have restraint, and
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Speaker 1: you found him in an empty room in a house,
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Speaker 1: what would it cause of death been? And he said
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Speaker 1: fentonel intoxication. And then doctor Baker's teacher was offered the
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Speaker 1: same question and she made it clear, but he was
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Speaker 1: in subduel in restraint by the police. And they said,
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Speaker 1: but if he wasn't and you had this level of fentanyl,
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Speaker 1: and she had to agree. Okay, is Michael examiner system
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Speaker 1: pays the same thing, because yeah, to say, if he
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Speaker 1: wasn't restrained, I would saying the cod cause of death
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Speaker 1: was fentnyl, but he was restraint. So I mean, you
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Speaker 1: might as well write on that report that you're talking
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Speaker 1: about if little green man from Mars came in and
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Speaker 1: sliced a throat then but that didn't happen, and your
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Speaker 1: pretend world that he wasn't subdued didn't happen. He was,
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Speaker 1: to dude. So I'm not quite sure, doctor Moroney, what
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Speaker 1: that has to do with anything, because those are not
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Speaker 1: the facts. Physiologically, his restraint was not tolerated. He could
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Speaker 1: not tolerate the subdual by the police. The autopsy was
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Speaker 1: very clear and the toxicology was very clear, and I
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Speaker 1: don't I'm you know, I'm a libertarian. I'm not a
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Speaker 1: Republican or a Democrat. I'm down the middle. I'm a
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Speaker 1: little you know, I'm the off the table baby. So
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Speaker 1: I don't have a vote either way. But if you
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Speaker 1: look at the data and you look at the report
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Speaker 1: in the autopsy, the causation is not in the autopsy.
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Speaker 1: That was what the criminal trial was to develop. But
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Speaker 1: the autopsy was very clear. It said sentinel intoxication. It
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Speaker 1: didn't say just fentyl. So are you today trying to
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Speaker 1: tell me that was the cod the fentyl b The
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Speaker 1: cause is cardial pulmonary arrest, and a contributing factor was
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Speaker 1: the fentinyl in the presence of fentyl intoxication. He can't
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Speaker 1: separate it. What what we were arguing is was this
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Speaker 1: manslaughter and sentinel would not be manslaughter. Fentyl would be
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Speaker 1: an accident. Okay, being forced down on his stomach with
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Speaker 1: a knee in his neck and him saying I can't
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Speaker 1: breathe fit into this scenario. It doesn't. That's why it's multivariable.
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Speaker 1: That down on the ground and the knee is not
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Speaker 1: being tolerated by mister Floyd's body crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the trial of former officer Derek
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Speaker 1: Chauvin and the death of George Floyd. Doctor Moroney is
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Speaker 1: with me, the chief medical examiner Bay County, Michigan, author
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Speaker 1: of American Narcan. Isn't it true, doctor Moroney, that the
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Speaker 1: prosecution had a private autopsy from not one, but two
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Speaker 1: other medical examiners and they both concluded that the cause
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Speaker 1: George Floyd's death was asphyxiation caused by net compression. Well,
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Speaker 1: that was the Boden autopsy, that was the dominant news force.
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Speaker 1: And doctor Boden has never prescribed fentonel. He's never treated
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Speaker 1: I'm asking you a direct question about two other autopsy
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Speaker 1: reports by two medical examiners that both sad the cause
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Speaker 1: of death. I'm not asking you if they have experience
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Speaker 1: in fentyl. I'm asking you about their determination in cause
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Speaker 1: of death. And I guarantee you, doctor Moroney, that many
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Speaker 1: medical examiners across the country don't have the experience that
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Speaker 1: you have infantanyl. Are you suggesting that they're all wrong too?
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Speaker 1: Because they don't know as much about fentanyl as you? Do.
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Speaker 1: I'm suggesting doctor Boden doesn't know as much about fentanyl.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he knows anything about asphyxiation? I think yeah,
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Speaker 1: but that wasn't the apt but it's in his autopsy report,
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Speaker 1: and not just Bodens, but another medical examiners as well.
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Speaker 1: The most objective autopsy report is the Armed Forces medical
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Speaker 1: examining reporting to you the Department of Justice. Are you
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Speaker 1: suggesting go to two medical examiners that said asphyxiation didn't
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Speaker 1: know what they were talking about, saying they're not as
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Speaker 1: objective as the Armed Forces military? Some medical examiner autospy. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: guys were talking. I don't go either way, right, Okay,
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Speaker 1: So you choose to ignore those two medical examiners and
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Speaker 1: stick with the one that fincent with your expertise, which
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Speaker 1: is fentanyl. Take a listen to this. The trial's first witness,
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Speaker 1: nine dispatcher Jennas Scurry. She testified that she called the
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Speaker 1: police on the police after seeing what was happening to
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Speaker 1: Choyd back while watching from mister velance camera. And my
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Speaker 1: instincts were telling me that something's wrong. Something has not raised.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what, but something was raed. You're hearing
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Speaker 1: actually the dispatcher, the first witness, Jennas Scurry. You heard
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Speaker 1: a little bit of her voice who testified that she
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Speaker 1: called police on the police, and let's take a listen
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Speaker 1: to that. And I'm only call you were also hearing
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Speaker 1: the voice of our friends at CBS News. But take
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Speaker 1: to listen to the nine one one call. Hey, this
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Speaker 1: is Channel one. It was he so, Um, I just
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Speaker 1: wanted to let you know about the person was a
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Speaker 1: nine at twenty six or two Bluemington and then I
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Speaker 1: didn't know. You can call me an interview onto, but
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Speaker 1: we have the temeras up for three twenties call. Oh
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Speaker 1: did they only put him in the name of Tabon
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Speaker 1: he started moving him? Um, and three twenty over at
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Speaker 1: cup Boots. Um. I don't know if they have used
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Speaker 1: force or not. They got something out of the back
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Speaker 1: of the squad and all of them sat on this man.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know if they needed you or not.
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Speaker 1: That they haven't had anything to me yet. Yeah, they
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Speaker 1: don't say anything. Listen just to pick to one still
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Speaker 1: in college foot Okay, I'll find out, no problem. We
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Speaker 1: don't get to ever see it, so when we see it,
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Speaker 1: we're just well, well, so let's do a little different,
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Speaker 1: all right. Thank you. Also take a listen to another witness,
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Speaker 1: Donald Williams, who also calls nine one one of the
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Speaker 1: emergency Designy seven untiller TVC in front of a Chicago's shore.
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Speaker 1: He is pretty much just killed this guy that wasn't
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Speaker 1: resisting the rest. Yeah, he's knee on the dude, Nick
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Speaker 1: the whole time office to nine eighty seven. The man
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Speaker 1: went went top breathing. He wasn't resisting the rest of nothing.
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Speaker 1: He was already in handcuff. They pretty much his stupid dude.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know if he did. Sure he was
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Speaker 1: not responsible in the hamble and just came the goat
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Speaker 1: him in The officer that was just out of here
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Speaker 1: left the one that asked you to murder see in
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Speaker 1: front of everybody on thirty thirty eight in Chicago. Okay,
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Speaker 1: would you like to seek with the sergeant? Yeah, he
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Speaker 1: wasn't focus with the man. He was un REPARTI he
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Speaker 1: wasn't presisting the rest for any of it. Joining me
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Speaker 1: right now. Jim Elliott, veteran trial lawyer at Butler snow LLLP. Jim,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of the closing arguments? And I
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Speaker 1: was interested that when the testimony or the arguments got
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Speaker 1: very uncomfortable for a chauvin, he immediately started doodling. I
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Speaker 1: don't know about you, but when I would prep witnesses
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Speaker 1: for trial, they typically we're not sitting out the courtroom
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Speaker 1: like a defendant would be, but I definitely instructed them
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Speaker 1: on how to behave when up on the stand. One
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Speaker 1: don't wear flip flops, don't you gum, don't show up drunk,
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Speaker 1: don't wave your hands around. I'd often give them a
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Speaker 1: notebook to hold in their hands when they would go
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Speaker 1: sit down so they wouldn't gesticulate wildly in front of
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Speaker 1: the jury. To look at the jurars, to think before
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Speaker 1: they answer, to go slowly. That is textbook instruction to
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Speaker 1: a defendant when you're in a tight spot. Don't look
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Speaker 1: over at the jury, don't look alarm, look down and
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Speaker 1: start taking notes for sure, because you can bet that
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Speaker 1: hyper focused on him the entire time. I mean whether
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Speaker 1: he so he was conscious of it or not. I
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Speaker 1: mean they're looking at him. And body language speaks volumes
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Speaker 1: to a lot of people, it really does, Doctor Jorry
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Speaker 1: cross In Psychologist Professor Saint Leo University. Doctor Jory explained
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Speaker 1: to me the non verbal communication going on in this
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Speaker 1: courtroom with a defendant, Derek Scheman sitting there in front
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Speaker 1: of the jury. Well, non verbal is the body language,
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Speaker 1: and it originates psychologically out of the subconscious, so you
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Speaker 1: don't have conscious control of it. It's well researched that,
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Speaker 1: you know, we see that in confessions people that are
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Speaker 1: making gestures that show or denote guilt. That's also associated
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Speaker 1: with stress. The body language that he had definitely showed
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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure and a lot of stress, even
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Speaker 1: to the point where he was possibly questioning his own
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Speaker 1: reactions to the testimony as I watched it in the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: And when you were watching the testimony, what exactly did
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Speaker 1: you observe nervous reaction? And he wasn't aware of it,
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Speaker 1: like the fidgeting with his hands and looking around at
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Speaker 1: times looked at the jury, but his look on his
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Speaker 1: face was more of just a straight, pale look. There
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Speaker 1: was no gesture of like a smile or a smirk
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Speaker 1: or anything like that. Three times that I saw, according
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Speaker 1: to my notes, that to Karen al Smith, forensic expert,
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Speaker 1: host of Shatter Soul podcast. Karen when he was on
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Speaker 1: the ground, when he was ultimately put into the ambulance.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it was too late then because he had
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Speaker 1: already flatlined. What for what forensic evidence stands out is
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Speaker 1: significant to you, Well, we heard from the forensic analysts
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Speaker 1: who went to the scene. Unfortunately it was at nighttime.
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Speaker 1: Rainhead watched over the pavement and there really wasn't a
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Speaker 1: whole lot left. One thing that did stick out to me, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: is the defense argued this delay and resuscitation. Didn't blame
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Speaker 1: me ums or paramedics, but says there was a delay
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Speaker 1: and resuscitation. Well, guess what, that's part of a police
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Speaker 1: officer's job. That person is in your care and control.
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Speaker 1: You're responsible for their well being. And if their argument
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Speaker 1: is that the resuscitation efforts were delayed, well that goes
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Speaker 1: right back to the responsibility of the officers on the
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Speaker 1: scene and their failure to act crime stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace circling back to doctor William Moroney, the chief medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner Bay County, Michigan, joining us the author of American Narcan,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney weighing in on the true cause of death
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Speaker 1: of George Floyd. Again, doctor Moroney, thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. You went through the original Hinnepen County Medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner's autopsy report, and you highlighted voluntary use of fentonel
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Speaker 1: and other factors playing into death. But is it true,
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Speaker 1: doctor Moroney, that not too but three medical examiners state
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Speaker 1: that this is a homicide. They did, and we agree
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Speaker 1: with the cause of death or the manner of death.
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Speaker 1: Homicide is also supported by the Department of Justice and
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Speaker 1: the Armed Forces. We agree to that it's what other
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Speaker 1: contributing factors were there. But I also want to impart
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Speaker 1: this is that the medical examiner definition of homicide by
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Speaker 1: the National Association of Medical Examiners is not the same
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Speaker 1: as the Legal Felonious Law Dictionary homicide definition. But we
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Speaker 1: do agree it is probably related back to the adio
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Speaker 1: pulmonary arrest in subdual and I'm going to admit that
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Speaker 1: there's excessive use of force that mister Floyd could not tolerate.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that You're going to admit it.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like some type of nefarious comment. Why are
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Speaker 1: you admitting it? It's clear it's on videos that the
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Speaker 1: excessive use of force is not part of the charges.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, doctor Moroney, did you think you're in a
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Speaker 1: courtroom right now, because we're not No, I'm I'm completely
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Speaker 1: ignorant to those definitions. It is the man fluttered by
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Speaker 1: the medical examiner definition, and it's cardial pulmonary arrest in
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Speaker 1: the presence of subdual and restraint. Are you saying are
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Speaker 1: you saying subdual? You're talking about Derek Schouvin's knee on
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Speaker 1: top of George Floyd's neck. I mean, what idiot over
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Speaker 1: the age of eight doesn't know if you put your
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Speaker 1: knee on somebody's windpipe, they can't breathe. That is the
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Speaker 1: excess of use of force. I mean, I'm having a
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Speaker 1: hard time with you, Moroni, and I'll tell you why,
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Speaker 1: because it's so obvious. And you're talking about fentonel and
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Speaker 1: you're talking about a heart problem. The man had a
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Speaker 1: knee on his windpipe. I don't even know what you're
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Speaker 1: talking about it. And why do you keep talking about
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Speaker 1: the DOJ and the Armed Forces. It's the Hannepen County
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, hello, Because those are objective sources that agree
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Speaker 1: with manslaughter. That's why. Well, what does that have to
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Speaker 1: do with this What does the DOJ and the Armed
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Speaker 1: forces have to do with this case? Because he needed
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Speaker 1: an objective source. You can't look at contractual medical examiners
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Speaker 1: reviews and separate autopsies because they're being paid. The Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice has no dog in this hunt. They're just
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Speaker 1: trying to be objective to Are you referring to the
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Speaker 1: Hennepin County Medical Examiner? You know he was called as
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Speaker 1: a witness by the prosecutor. Who is he? He didn't
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Speaker 1: help them? Who doctor Baker? Okay? Yes, excuse me? Are
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Speaker 1: you referring to the Hennepin County Medical Examiner when you
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Speaker 1: keep talking about the DOJ and the Armed Forces? No,
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Speaker 1: the Armed Forces and the DOJ made an assessment of
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Speaker 1: doctor Baker's autopsy from Hennepin County and they agreed with it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: And my question is to you, did the DOJ or
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Speaker 1: the Armed Forces perform their own autopsy? They reviewed reports,
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Speaker 1: no autopsy, So no, no, they didn't. No. Okay, So
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Speaker 1: you're trying to cram down my throat something the federal
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Speaker 1: government reviewed notes and looked at a video. Oh h
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Speaker 1: double l n oh, Ronnie, you know, round and round
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Speaker 1: and round. You're like, I'm trying to like wrestle with
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Speaker 1: a trash bag full of jello here. They didn't even
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Speaker 1: look at the body. I don't have a dog in it.
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Speaker 1: I don't have a dog in the fight. I want
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Speaker 1: the truth. But I know what I saw on that video.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Let's take a listen to more and
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Speaker 1: I compare the video to the autopsy. That's what's really important.
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Speaker 1: I know what I saw. The man was talking and
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Speaker 1: breathing until Shavin shoved his knee on Floyd's windpipe, and
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Speaker 1: then he died. That's what I know. Now you're throwing
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Speaker 1: a lot of medical terms, and you're throwing out DJ
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Speaker 1: and armed forces. I bet you didn't say. I was
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Speaker 1: going to ask you did the DJ and the Armed
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Speaker 1: forces actually do an autopsy? Because they did it? Did
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Speaker 1: they Maroney? Did they? No? They didn't, they didn't. I
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Speaker 1: don't even know why you're saying that to me. You
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Speaker 1: think then watching a video you just told me, I
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Speaker 1: can't believe the video. You just said that, and now
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Speaker 1: you're expecting me to go, yes, I didn't do There
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Speaker 1: was an objective source and everybody, everybody, the defense and
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Speaker 1: the prosecution, they all got Frontel wrong. Nobody understood anything. Nobody,
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Speaker 1: nobody knew anything right other than what they saw obsessive
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Speaker 1: use of force that was really well focused and debated
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Speaker 1: that that was the highlight. Everybody got the frontal wrong. Everybody, defense, prosecution, everybody.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Nancy, I'm gonna jump in here. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna jump o let me. Let me jump in on
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Speaker 1: the use of for im. I'm a retired cop, so
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna seek on the for a second. The use
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Speaker 1: of force continuum was presented by the defense to actually
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Speaker 1: put a photograph of it up there, and it also
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Speaker 1: said that you must de escalate when you can clearly
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Speaker 1: defend or control with less force. When a person is
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Speaker 1: tantuffed in a prone position, that's the time to de escalate.
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Speaker 1: Any threat has been contained, and that's the point when
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Speaker 1: you reassess the situation, make sure that person is not
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Speaker 1: a medical or physical distress. And these points are driven
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Speaker 1: home from day one of the police Academy. This is
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Speaker 1: nothing new to any police officer. We know the use
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Speaker 1: of force continuum like the back of our hand, and
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Speaker 1: we use it every single call, every single day. And
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Speaker 1: guess what our best defense is communication, which is something
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Speaker 1: that was clearly lacking from the outset of the explaining
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Speaker 1: a force Karen. The fact that Chauvin had everybody wondering,
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Speaker 1: why does he have his hands in his pockets? That's
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Speaker 1: to increase the dawnward velocity on Floyd's neck. Ads. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it seems like he has his thumb resting in his pocket,
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Speaker 1: and it was just this posture of not even caring
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Speaker 1: what was going on beneath him on the ground. And
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Speaker 1: that is going to speak volumes at video. You know,
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Speaker 1: they said there's bias in the video. I disagree. There
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Speaker 1: were multiple angles. When I photograph a crime scene, I
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Speaker 1: do it from multiple angles to eliminate bias. You had
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Speaker 1: bodycam footage, you had surveillance footage, you had cell phone footage.
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Speaker 1: There's multiple angles. So the whole bias thing is out
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Speaker 1: as well, all of it Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: how did the whole thing start? Take a list of
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Speaker 1: our friends at CBS Earlier the prosecution show newly released
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Speaker 1: security video a Floyd inside the Cuff Foods convenience store
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Speaker 1: less than two hours before his death. Nineteen year old
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Speaker 1: Christopher Mark worked at the store and had a brief
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Speaker 1: conversation with Floyd, but it kind of took him a
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Speaker 1: little long to get to what he was trying to say,
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Speaker 1: so whatever hear that he was high. Martin says Floyd
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Speaker 1: bought a pack of cigarettes with what appeared to be
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Speaker 1: a counterfeit twenty dollar bill. I noticed that I had
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Speaker 1: a blue pigment, kind of how a one hundred dollars
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Speaker 1: bill will have. And I found that odd, so I
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Speaker 1: assumed that it was fading. Martin and his co workers
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Speaker 1: tried twice to get Floyd to speak with their manager.
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Speaker 1: The significance on that testimony and the video was to
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Speaker 1: suggest to the jury and maybe it was true that
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Speaker 1: George Floyd was acting as if he was high on something.
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Speaker 1: The question for the jury is the cause of death,
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Speaker 1: whether he was or it's not high, whether he had
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Speaker 1: or had not ingested drugs. Take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: Against CBS, the jury got to see the shocking police
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Speaker 1: bodycam video of officers putting George Floyd into a squad car.
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Speaker 1: The intense struggle continued on the other side of the vehicle,
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Speaker 1: Floyd eventually forced to the ground. Charles McMillan witnessed it all.
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Speaker 1: The sixty one year old broke down as he relived
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Speaker 1: the moment in court. McMillan had confronted Chauvin about his actions,
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Speaker 1: and for the first time, we're hearing Chauvin's initial reaction
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Speaker 1: to what had just happened, trying to control of Scotland
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Speaker 1: because it's a sizeable died. Yeah, it's probably on something.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing what was shown in the courtroom, and you're
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Speaker 1: hearing about the struggle officers had trying to get Floyd
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Speaker 1: into the back of the car. But this is what
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Speaker 1: a paramedic Seth Bravendeer says in court. Listen dramatic never
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Speaker 1: before seen video of the ambulance team arriving to save
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Speaker 1: George Floyd's life. Paramedics Seth Bravendeer says, the first thing
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Speaker 1: he saw was multiple officers still on top of Floyds.
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Speaker 1: From what I could see where I was at, I
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Speaker 1: didn't I didn't see any breathing or movement or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. Bravendeer makes a hand gesture and officer Derek
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Speaker 1: Chauvin telling him to move as his partner, paramedic Derek Smith,
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Speaker 1: check Floyd's pulse straight out to Jim Elliott, veteran trial
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Speaker 1: lawyer joining us from Butlersnow dot Com. When you hear
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Speaker 1: the paramedics say that George Floyd was already not moving
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Speaker 1: and that there were quote multiple officers on top of
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Speaker 1: him and the paramedic had to tell Chauvin to get
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Speaker 1: off Floyd. What does that say to you? Says to me,
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Speaker 1: A level of indifference that I don't really understand. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how are you there on top of everything and had
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Speaker 1: that result? And disastounding really and from a legal from
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Speaker 1: a legal standpoint, Jim Elliott, as Karen Smith was just
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Speaker 1: telling us a former police officer, Yes, cops have to
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Speaker 1: subdue and stop purps all the time because they're bad guys.
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Speaker 1: But once they're subdued, that's supposed to stop. Even the
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Speaker 1: paramedics says Floyd was not moving and there were multiple
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Speaker 1: guys on top of him. Obviously that goes beyond typical
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Speaker 1: police force. Yes, certainly, I mean that place. Again, there
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Speaker 1: was no charge of accessive force, but that's certainly the
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Speaker 1: mindset everybody has, and that's exactly what I think everyone
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Speaker 1: will sue. Take a listen to our friends at CBS.
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Speaker 1: The prosecution played police body camp video. Floyd said I
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Speaker 1: can't breathe twenty seven times. They were his final words.
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Speaker 1: George Floyd begged until he could speak no more, and
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Speaker 1: the defendant continued this assault beyond the point that he
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Speaker 1: had a pulse. Slisher pointed to seven expert witnesses, most
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Speaker 1: of them fellow officers, all testifying that Chauvin used unreasonable force.
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Speaker 1: Paid to doctor William Moroney, the chief medical Examiner Bay County, Michigan,
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Speaker 1: author of American Narcan on Amazon created mobile opioid treatment center.
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Speaker 1: He's done thousands of autopsies, Doctor Moroney. The man says
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Speaker 1: I can't breathe twenty seven times. But you don't see
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Speaker 1: that there was asphyxiation. The man is saying I can't breathe.
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Speaker 1: There's an excessive use of force, and asphyxiation had to
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Speaker 1: be defined medically in the autopsy. I agree that is
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Speaker 1: heart stopped. I agree, and I agree that that excessive
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Speaker 1: use of force was abusive at outside of political and
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Speaker 1: police training and education. But we ask people like me
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Speaker 1: what the contribution is of drugs and substance use disorder,
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Speaker 1: and it is part of a contributing factor. Excessive use
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Speaker 1: is the focus of mister Floyd not tolerating his restraint.
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Speaker 1: When you say, you mean a knee on his windpipe
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Speaker 1: for almost three men restraining him and on his wig position.
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Speaker 1: Because when I say the video, I see Chauvin on
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Speaker 1: his windpipe. I know Floyd is saying I can't breathe,
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Speaker 1: but you still want about there is no damage in
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Speaker 1: the neck, and I'm here just to reflect the autopsy.
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Speaker 1: I'm here just to reflect the medical science. There's no
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Speaker 1: broken hyoid bones, there's no bruised muscles. We can say
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Speaker 1: that the video shows excessive force and the autopsy doesn't.
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Speaker 1: And that's not that we disagree. I'm just reflecting what's
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Speaker 1: in the autopsy. Well, then why is it three other
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Speaker 1: medical examiners say contrary to what you're saying. You know what,
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Speaker 1: take a listen to what the defense claims are at trial.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this. Defense attorney Eric Nelson argued that Jersey
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Speaker 1: to examine what happened before the nine minutes and twenty
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Speaker 1: nine seconds. He said, Chauvin did what any reasonable officer
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Speaker 1: would after seeing Floyd's struggle with other officers. The amount
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Speaker 1: of that was being used by officers king in Land
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Speaker 1: was insufficient to overpower mister Floyd's resistance to getting into
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Speaker 1: the car. He played video showing how the struggle continued
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Speaker 1: when Chauvin got involved. And there is more. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to what the defense argued. Nelson also argued that
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Speaker 1: Floyd's heart disease, as long as his use of fetnel
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Speaker 1: and methan phetamine significantly contributed to his death. He even
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Speaker 1: cited the County Medical Examiner's findings, so doctor Baker's conclusions
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Speaker 1: and mister Floyd's arteriosclerotic and hypertensive disease played a role
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Speaker 1: in the death. During rebuttal, Prosecutor Jerry Blackwell talked about
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Speaker 1: the forty sixth witness common sense. You were told that
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Speaker 1: mister Floyd died because his heart was to be the
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Speaker 1: reason George Floyd is dead. It is because missus Chauvin's
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Speaker 1: heart was too small. We waite as justice and falls.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off goodbye friend, m