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25W: Bobby's Geek Out Interviews of the Year (Part 2: Dan Patrick, Paul Finebaum, Ian Rapoport, Rich Eisen) · 25 Whistles with Bobby Bones (A Football Podcast)

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode. If you miss last week, go
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Speaker 1: check that one out because it was Colin Cowherd, Marcellus Wiley,
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Speaker 1: Jay Glazer, all amazing was. The show has only been
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Speaker 1: up since August, but maybe you're new to it. You
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Speaker 1: can catch some of that. You know. This week's list, man,
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Speaker 1: it's just my favorites Dan Patrick, Rich Eisen both from
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Speaker 1: ESPN back in the day, not to mention Paul Finebaum,
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Speaker 1: who I love, my friend. You'll also hear me talk
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Speaker 1: with one of the best NFL insiders, Ian Rappaport. It's
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Speaker 1: awesome at first Up Dan Patrick. I mean, he's the
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Speaker 1: he's the legend. He's the goat. Whether you watch Sports
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Speaker 1: Center back in the nineties or two thousand's, which I did,
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Speaker 1: or listen to Dan Patrick show on the radio, which
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Speaker 1: I do or watched which I or which I do? Everything?
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Speaker 1: I'm all Dan Patrick all the time. But here was
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Speaker 1: this interview where Dan talks about his journey from ESPN
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Speaker 1: hosting one of the biggest talk shows in the country.
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Speaker 1: Also his last second trip to Atlanta was a catalyst
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Speaker 1: for gettinghim where he is now professionally. So I hope
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Speaker 1: you enjoyed this interview because I did with Dan Patrick.
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Speaker 1: Whoa Dan Good to talk to you. I'm big, just
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Speaker 1: massive fan, just a massive, massive fans. So you know
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Speaker 1: when they said you would actually spend a few minutes
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Speaker 1: with me, I I was shocked first of all, and
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Speaker 1: it elated. So just humble thank you before we start. Great, great,
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Speaker 1: Glad to Glad to hill. You know, whenever I'm doing
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Speaker 1: an interview and in one capacity or the other, I
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Speaker 1: do them all the day, all the time, either on
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Speaker 1: the radio show or on a TV show. But I
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Speaker 1: it starts to just be a wheel and you just
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Speaker 1: doing them as they come, and you rarely get excited.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you're a little more up for one because you
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Speaker 1: know the value of a bit. At this point in
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Speaker 1: your career, do you still get pumped about interviews and
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Speaker 1: with who especially. I think if you have somebody who's
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Speaker 1: going to be honest with you, because you want to
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Speaker 1: make sure you're not wasting the time of your audience.
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Speaker 1: And I always want to make sure if I have
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Speaker 1: somebody on, maybe you don't know who they are, but
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring out something in them that you would
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Speaker 1: be interested in. I like the challenge of doing that.
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Speaker 1: But it's the person who's going to be honest or
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Speaker 1: most honest that I find interesting. It's the person who
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Speaker 1: tries to dodge what you're asking, doesn't give you much,
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Speaker 1: wants to be very vanilla. Then that's where it gets
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Speaker 1: really tedious. Give me an example of somebody who's great
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Speaker 1: that you know, all right, we're gonna do it and
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be awesome. Charles Barkley is always great. Reggie
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Speaker 1: Miller is always great. I find that if you know
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Speaker 1: my guests know if they come on the show, that
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Speaker 1: this is what we're asking them to do. Don't come
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Speaker 1: on the show unless you're ready to really give something,
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Speaker 1: reveals something. But it's up to me sometimes to kind
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Speaker 1: of extract thumb that from these guys. They get interviewed
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Speaker 1: more than anybody. When you think about it, athletes are
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Speaker 1: interviewed more than anybody you know where they are. You know, uh,
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Speaker 1: everyday at practice, um, you know, before a game, after
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Speaker 1: a game with the NBA, you have to have an
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Speaker 1: approach that is refreshing to them and their competitors. And
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Speaker 1: I find I got to compete with you to get
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Speaker 1: an answer out of you. John McEnroe said you gotta
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Speaker 1: work harder to get a better answer out of me,
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Speaker 1: and he was right. This is early in my career,
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Speaker 1: and I never forgot that sometimes you gotta work harder
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Speaker 1: to get a better answer out of somebody. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel like you're a better interviewee because you interview so
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Speaker 1: many people? Because you know, what I'll do is all
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Speaker 1: critique your questions while you're asking them, and it's not
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Speaker 1: fair to you. But I've given so much thought to interviewing.
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Speaker 1: When I was at ESPN, I did a seminar that
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Speaker 1: was five days, eight hours each day on interviewing. It
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Speaker 1: was the best thing that ever happened to me in
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Speaker 1: my career. But it's the worst thing when you start
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Speaker 1: to listen to radio or you listen to somebody on
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Speaker 1: TV doing interviews because you're listening for the things that
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Speaker 1: they're not doing what you were told to do to
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Speaker 1: bring out a good interview. Open ended questions, short question,
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Speaker 1: you know that first question, what are you setting up
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Speaker 1: for the next question? For your last question? What are
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Speaker 1: you trying to get at? Like there's a strategy to it.
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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't have known this until I took this class.
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Speaker 1: It was a guy named John Swatsky out of Canada.
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Speaker 1: It was the master of the Interview, and I was
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Speaker 1: fascinated by it. I don't know who else, if anybody
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Speaker 1: else was at ESPN. They they were mad at me
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Speaker 1: because I wanted to bring this guy in to teach
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Speaker 1: us how to interview, because I saw an article and
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Speaker 1: people are like kicking and screaming going to this seminar,
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Speaker 1: and they didn't realize that I'm the reason why they
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Speaker 1: were going there, because I wanted this guy to come
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Speaker 1: in and help us. You know, when you talk about
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Speaker 1: the ESPN stuff, and I don't have a lot of
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Speaker 1: questions about that, and I still don't, but it makes
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Speaker 1: me think about, you know, my whole lifetime of watching
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Speaker 1: you on ESPN and even Rock and Roll Jeopardy, which
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Speaker 1: I was a big Jeopardy guys and a music guy obviously,
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Speaker 1: and then you know, watching on Sunday nights and I
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Speaker 1: would come home from the radio show and watch your
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Speaker 1: radio show, you and all the day neds like just
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Speaker 1: a massive fan. But you know, I've started to realize
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Speaker 1: that I, as a public figure, people think they know
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Speaker 1: me at times more than they actually do, and they'll
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Speaker 1: come up and and so you know, one of the
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Speaker 1: things that I'm most curious about, it's like if you
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Speaker 1: go to your house and I feel like I know, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but I obviously don't on a personal level, Like in
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Speaker 1: your house, what is your favorite picture in your house?
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Speaker 1: Which if I just asked that question, what is it?
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Speaker 1: Who's in it? I'm a big fan of the artist
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Speaker 1: Wolf Khan. He passed away. I think he was just
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Speaker 1: over the age of ninety. And you can't be in
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Speaker 1: a bad mood when you look at a painting of
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Speaker 1: Wolf Khan. Now pictures. Uh, there's a picture of my
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Speaker 1: daughter in the library where she's in Galway, and she's
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Speaker 1: in a mud puddle and she's probably eleven years of age,
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Speaker 1: and she's got mud all over her. She's thrown mud
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Speaker 1: in the air, and she's got the biggest smile, and
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Speaker 1: it's one of those moments that you just go that
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Speaker 1: person is having a great day. So I tend to
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Speaker 1: gravitate towards you feel better after you you see that
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Speaker 1: picture and you see a painting from wolf Kan. What
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Speaker 1: about if I ask about sports, what personal sports picture
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Speaker 1: do you have? Either you're somewhere with someone that you
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Speaker 1: look at and it's not it doesn't mean as much
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Speaker 1: because obviously that's your daughter, but it's like, man, that
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Speaker 1: was a great moment, either in sports life or my life.
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Speaker 1: I was in a boxing ring. It was fight night
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Speaker 1: in Arizona, and I was the host and we were
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Speaker 1: honoring Mohammad Ali and we were going to give him
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Speaker 1: this ring. And Mohammad Ali is standing next to me
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Speaker 1: waiting for me to give him this ring. And I'm
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Speaker 1: describing to the audience what this ring signifies, and I'm
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Speaker 1: going to hand this to Mohammed Ali. And you know
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Speaker 1: that this was probably a twenty years ago, but you know,
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Speaker 1: Parkinson's the onset of Parkinson had started there, and I
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Speaker 1: just remember in the moment, I'm thinking I'm going to
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Speaker 1: give a ring to Mohammed Ali, and I sort of
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Speaker 1: fanboyd that. I was like I gotta get this out
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Speaker 1: of my head because I sometimes that's the problem. I
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Speaker 1: have too many things I'm thinking of when I'm doing
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Speaker 1: something that I shouldn't be thinking about. But that moment
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Speaker 1: where I look and I go, who would have thought
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Speaker 1: that a kid came from a small town in Ohio?
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Speaker 1: Is there with Mohammed Ali honoring Mohammed Ali, and I'm
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Speaker 1: it's never lost on me where I came from and
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Speaker 1: growing up in a big family, that I came a
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Speaker 1: long way, but that you can come from a small
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Speaker 1: town where you never would have thought you've gotten So
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Speaker 1: it brings out a lot of different thoughts memories there
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Speaker 1: of you're still this kid who was from Mason, Ohio,
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Speaker 1: but you got here. Don't forget where you came from
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Speaker 1: from Mountain Pine, Arkansas, population seven uh So similar instances,
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Speaker 1: you know, growing up and there wasn't a lot of
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Speaker 1: resource where I came from. So how what showed you
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Speaker 1: and who showed you that there was actually a path
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Speaker 1: to greater even though you couldn't quite define greater. I
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Speaker 1: think I was too naive or stupid to let reality
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Speaker 1: sink in and that you can't do this. I didn't
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Speaker 1: have a plan b so when people said, oh, if
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Speaker 1: you weren't going to be a sports conister, what would
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Speaker 1: you be? And I've been like, I don't I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing bartender. But I didn't know. And I had
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Speaker 1: been rejected in quite a few places. I lost a job,
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Speaker 1: local job in Dayton, Ohio, and I was distraught. So
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm twenty six seven. I don't have a full
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Speaker 1: time job in sports, and that's old in this business
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Speaker 1: to get started. And I thought I'm never gonna get in.
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Speaker 1: I was doing morning drive radio rock and roll station,
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Speaker 1: and I thought, this is what I'm gonna be doing.
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Speaker 1: And the next girlfriend said, just come down to Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: I said, now, I don't want to go to Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: She goes, no, just come down your CNN's hiring. I go,
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Speaker 1: I just I lost out on a job in Dayton, Ohio.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to get a job at CNN. So
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Speaker 1: I go down there, lo and behold. I go in there.
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Speaker 1: Last day I'm in Atlanta, give my resume. Tape guy says,
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Speaker 1: when can you start? So if I don't go to Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: I'm not here. I mean I'm somewhere, but I'm not
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Speaker 1: here because CNN. I was there for five years and
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Speaker 1: after that I went to ESPN for eighteen So I
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Speaker 1: always tell people right place, right time, but you better
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Speaker 1: be right about what you have to know, like have
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Speaker 1: to know it if you get that opportunity. And I'm
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Speaker 1: sure that at some point somebody wanted to see if
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Speaker 1: you knew exactly what you needed to know, and you did,
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Speaker 1: or you wouldn't be seated there. Like we get those moments,
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Speaker 1: but be ready for the moment. And that was something
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Speaker 1: that stayed with me, stays with me. I tell that
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Speaker 1: to my kids all the time. Be prepared, be overprepared.
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Speaker 1: Even if you don't get it, you'll still show that
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Speaker 1: that person you showed them respect by being prepared. You
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Speaker 1: mentioned eighteen years at ESPN, and I worked on American
10:31
Speaker 1: Idol for four seasons, and I would talk to some
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Speaker 1: of the old contestants from back when Idol was so big,
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Speaker 1: and but they said they didn't know it, they couldn't
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Speaker 1: feel it because they were in it now. ESPN was
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Speaker 1: a culture. Especially for me, Was that situation similar because
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Speaker 1: you guys weren't changing culture. Did you know it and
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Speaker 1: could you feel it then or was it its own bubble?
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Speaker 1: We were cordoned off absolutely, and I think that's by
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Speaker 1: design by management. They didn't want us to be bigger
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Speaker 1: than those four letters. Not that we could be, but
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Speaker 1: they didn't want us coloring outside the lines. Management even
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Speaker 1: told me on one occasion, we don't want another Chris Berman,
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Speaker 1: because Berman is the most important person in the history
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Speaker 1: of ESPN. But he was sort of, you know, a
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Speaker 1: hot air balloon that was higher than everybody else but
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Speaker 1: still tethered, and they didn't want that. They didn't want
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Speaker 1: that to happen to me or Keith Oberman or Stewart
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Speaker 1: Scott or whoever you want to throw in there. So
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Speaker 1: they they didn't want you to be a personality. Um
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Speaker 1: so I think that that was kind of eye opening
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Speaker 1: that we were getting honored. Mentioned. Uh, people came up
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Speaker 1: to us when we saw them when we were out
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Speaker 1: of events, but we weren't in New York or l A.
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Speaker 1: We're in Bristol, Connecticut. We didn't run into anybody. But
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Speaker 1: when we did, then you heard the impact that we
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Speaker 1: were having. And you kind juxtapose that to management that
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Speaker 1: we never knew our ratings. They never told us. They didn't.
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Speaker 1: They don't want to empower you and say, you guys
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Speaker 1: are really kicking the ass here. It was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you guys solid and improving, you know, kind of doing
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Speaker 1: a good job. There You're like, damn, I thought I
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Speaker 1: thought we were good, but that was that was eye
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Speaker 1: opening there that management wanted to kind of keep us
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Speaker 1: under their thumb. Final question about the ESPN days and
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Speaker 1: as far as when who is would you say as
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Speaker 1: your BFF now from those days if you had to
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Speaker 1: pick one, Oh, I would say that I correspond with
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Speaker 1: Rich Eyes and more than anybody else, the people I
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Speaker 1: really enjoyed were producers, associate producers, the makeup people, camera people.
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Speaker 1: Those are the people I always enjoyed being around. Nobody
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Speaker 1: wants to be around talent because all we do is
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Speaker 1: talk about ourselves. I wanted to be around the people
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Speaker 1: who were just normal or as normal as possible in
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Speaker 1: our business, and those are the people I'm still in
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Speaker 1: touch with, uh more the producers than the talent there,
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Speaker 1: but probably Rich Eyes. How hard is it to have
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Speaker 1: a source that's telling you something but you can't say it.
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Speaker 1: You almost have to act like you don't know it.
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Speaker 1: For the most part, I don't want to know if
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Speaker 1: I can't use it. I say that too. And I'm
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Speaker 1: fortunate having been in this business for almost forty years.
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Speaker 1: You meet people that you trust because you can go
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Speaker 1: back to them or they'll they'll they'll let you know
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Speaker 1: if you're right or wrong on something. But I I
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Speaker 1: don't want to know something that I can't even hint
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Speaker 1: at because then I'm not being Then it's gossipy and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But it is a
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Speaker 1: tough situation to be in. Sometimes if somebody goes, hey,
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Speaker 1: you can't use it, I'll don't. Then don't tell me
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Speaker 1: because I don't want to know. But when they're like,
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Speaker 1: you didn't get it from me, which is different, But
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Speaker 1: sources can be tricky. Last question, and this has really
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Speaker 1: been a treat for me, uh a more force so
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Speaker 1: for you because I'm sure you've rated this and given
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Speaker 1: it a low grade what you do. And as soon
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Speaker 1: as you said that, I was like, God, dang, and
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Speaker 1: now I am going to actually feel like I bean
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Speaker 1: critique during the interview. I didn't feel like that going in.
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Speaker 1: But final question is, uh, you know, I'm about to
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Speaker 1: go through a big contract negotiation here with a right
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Speaker 1: so you know, and it's it's it's it's quite the monster.
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to you. What's what's the What
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Speaker 1: am I? What? Am I not knowing to ask for?
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Speaker 1: What is it you don't have? I don't know. I'm
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Speaker 1: not pretty good dance. Yes, I always look at it
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Speaker 1: this way. I love for fifteen years being at ESPN,
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Speaker 1: and I could have gotten jobs outside of it, but
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Speaker 1: I loved what I was doing. But you can't tell
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Speaker 1: them that you love it so much that you don't
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Speaker 1: factor in what you're worth outside of what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: If that makes sense that, hey, on the open market,
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Speaker 1: what would I be worth? Take care of me here?
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Speaker 1: And I always took less, but I didn't have any
14:56
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do anything else. So do what
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Speaker 1: you love. And it's really hard to find that, because
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Speaker 1: if you let money be the carrot that's in front
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Speaker 1: of you, you'll always chase it and you'll never be satisfied.
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Speaker 1: But if you have people you like, you've got you know,
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Speaker 1: they make sure that the people who are surrounding you
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Speaker 1: are good people, fun people. I love seeing my guys
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Speaker 1: every single day. We just laugh. I mean, you're serious
15:24
Speaker 1: when you need to be, but we have fun. I
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Speaker 1: enjoy them and it's twenty years for some of these guys.
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Speaker 1: But I think that's the moment you know that you've
15:33
Speaker 1: got to kind of go. And if you say to
15:36
Speaker 1: your wife, what do you think? Because sometimes it's my
15:40
Speaker 1: wife is the smartest person. And you know, you get
15:42
Speaker 1: somebody on the outside kind of looking at all this
15:44
Speaker 1: because we get too close to the sun and you
15:47
Speaker 1: don't want to be icarous here and you know, go
15:49
Speaker 1: down in flame. So do what you love as long
15:53
Speaker 1: as you can do it, or you can just take
15:55
Speaker 1: a load of money and then run with it. But
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Speaker 1: if that's that's hey, listen, I'm just massive fan, just massive,
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Speaker 1: and thank you for your time and um, you know
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Speaker 1: that's all. And I know you've got a busy day head,
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Speaker 1: so thank you very much. And one day, hopefully I
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Speaker 1: hope I can touch you soon, you know I would.
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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you know, I hope we crossed pounds. Congratulations
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Speaker 1: on all your success and I think that it's not
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Speaker 1: my accident, you know, but I think that that's important
16:23
Speaker 1: as you move move forward, don't forget the kid from
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Speaker 1: a small town in Arkansas, because stay in humble, because
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Speaker 1: this business will bite you in the ask quickly. Thank
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Speaker 1: you Dan, have a good day. Thank you, Bobby. I
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Speaker 1: So I guess I even watch him on the SEC
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Speaker 1: though he's had so much success. Paul is one of
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Speaker 1: the best in the business. Here's my interview with Paul
18:05
Speaker 1: fine Bomb. Paul, I am very honored that you would
18:08
Speaker 1: come on and and do these these shows and this
18:10
Speaker 1: show with me. You are one of my heroes and
18:12
Speaker 1: you know that. So thank you very much for for
18:14
Speaker 1: being here today. It is my pleasure. Um and UM,
18:17
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in all of this opportunity. So they'll be
18:20
Speaker 1: not waste any more time stumbling and stuttering in your closet.
18:23
Speaker 1: Do you have your own closet of TV clothes that's
18:26
Speaker 1: just suits and ties and shirts, and then your own
18:29
Speaker 1: closet of normal clothes or you all shirts and ties
18:31
Speaker 1: and suits all the time. No, I am uh I
18:34
Speaker 1: have if I could break some news here with you
18:37
Speaker 1: guys today. Uh. Everybody has their piccadillos and fetishes. Mine
18:43
Speaker 1: I have a tie fetish. Uh. I. Wherever I am
18:48
Speaker 1: in the in the world, which is more like Fayaneville
18:51
Speaker 1: or Knoxville or Starkville, I'm always looking for new ties.
18:55
Speaker 1: That's my my my deal because I yeah, you don't
18:58
Speaker 1: dress up as much because you're you're you're cool. You
19:00
Speaker 1: don't have to, but you can. You can wear the
19:04
Speaker 1: same blue jacket every day of your life on television
19:06
Speaker 1: and nobody has any idea, but they may remember your tie.
19:08
Speaker 1: So that's my that's that's my go to. Yeah, my
19:12
Speaker 1: shoes are similar. You have tie. This is my shoes today,
19:16
Speaker 1: right are Yeah? So I have a million pair of
19:20
Speaker 1: shoes and hopefully people notice my shoes and I can
19:22
Speaker 1: wear the same I've standard white sweatshirt on and pants.
19:25
Speaker 1: But shoes. Okay, so you have a lot of ties.
19:28
Speaker 1: Do they give you a clothing allowance that you get
19:31
Speaker 1: to buy these fancy suits? Now, I want to ask, uh,
19:36
Speaker 1: my first big television agent who ended up leaving a
19:39
Speaker 1: couple of years ago to become the president of the
19:41
Speaker 1: World Wrestling Entertainment with Vince McMahon, not that that's been
19:45
Speaker 1: in the news lately. And I asked him about that
19:48
Speaker 1: because I was naive I was coming from Birmingham, Alabama.
19:51
Speaker 1: I said, do I get a clothing allowance? She said,
19:53
Speaker 1: at this level, you don't ask for clothing allow they
19:56
Speaker 1: they assume you can pay for your own clothes. And
19:59
Speaker 1: I I knew that was a invitation to quit talking
20:02
Speaker 1: about it. But by the way, I have one other,
20:04
Speaker 1: one other fetish of Bobby and it's a it's a
20:07
Speaker 1: frame glass frame fetish. And and there's a place in
20:12
Speaker 1: Nashville that I found a couple of years ago and
20:16
Speaker 1: I've been. Unfortunately, we don't get back Nashural that often
20:20
Speaker 1: thanks to vander Belt, but but I always go and
20:23
Speaker 1: go to it, and uh, it's probably one of my
20:26
Speaker 1: favorite frame places in the world. So when it comes
20:29
Speaker 1: to people who are extremely interesting guys, that love ties
20:32
Speaker 1: and frames. It's number one, right, that's skydiving. Who cares
20:35
Speaker 1: guys that are risking their lives if you have a
20:38
Speaker 1: tie fetish and a frame fetish, like I can imagine
20:40
Speaker 1: the chicks you'd be having to beat off with the
20:41
Speaker 1: stick if you were twenty two right now. Yeah. The
20:44
Speaker 1: funniest thing was when I was in there the first
20:45
Speaker 1: time and the lady who I think the owner. I
20:47
Speaker 1: think it's image optical down there in there Nashville, and uh,
20:51
Speaker 1: she was telling me, she's, oh, yeah, by the way,
20:53
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift was in here just last week, and I'm
20:56
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Taylor Swift at the time was like
21:00
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. What is she doing buying classes. I'm
21:02
Speaker 1: never sure if I confirmed that or no. But it
21:04
Speaker 1: was a good it was a great line. And I
21:05
Speaker 1: saw also I'll take that one, that one, that one,
21:07
Speaker 1: and that one. Um, but yeah, that that was the thing.
21:10
Speaker 1: I mean. Other than that, Bobby, I'm just a pretty
21:12
Speaker 1: boring guy who Taylor Swift no, no, no, we heard it.
21:17
Speaker 1: A boring guy who thinks he's like Taylor Swift and
21:19
Speaker 1: compares with his daily in life to her. Yeah, exactly,
21:24
Speaker 1: I mean and You're probably the only person I know
21:26
Speaker 1: that's I've ever done anything or accomplished anything, so uh,
21:31
Speaker 1: and I won't embarrass you. I was in Nashville a
21:33
Speaker 1: couple of years ago for something and it was a
21:36
Speaker 1: big deal. They were having like a like an Entertainer
21:39
Speaker 1: of the Year or something or it was just like
21:40
Speaker 1: only invited audience, and this guy dragged me over there,
21:45
Speaker 1: and everybody was there. I mean I mean everybody. Uh,
21:48
Speaker 1: and I've spotted you, and I kind of nervously walked
21:51
Speaker 1: over because I think Brad Paisley was sitting with your
21:53
Speaker 1: Keith Urban and all of a sudden, you just jumped
21:55
Speaker 1: up and hugged me. And I was just like thinking,
21:57
Speaker 1: I wonder if anybody is noticing this or recording this,
22:00
Speaker 1: maybe this will end up on whatever the network is
22:03
Speaker 1: A Nashville see him see I'm something. But it was
22:07
Speaker 1: really cool, And uh, that was the first time I've
22:10
Speaker 1: ever met you, and since then I've had your people
22:12
Speaker 1: have center restraining order. So I would never do that again. Okay. Look,
22:17
Speaker 1: I'm a massive you fan and for you to put
22:21
Speaker 1: me on your show, which I listened to and watch
22:24
Speaker 1: and sometimes I go from the car to the TV
22:26
Speaker 1: but it reminds me of back in the day when
22:27
Speaker 1: I'll be twelve and we come in from ball practice
22:30
Speaker 1: and you'd have to run in during a commercial so
22:32
Speaker 1: you could catch the show. Because but I do that
22:34
Speaker 1: with your show now, Like I'm listening, I got a
22:36
Speaker 1: freaking hall, but to get in so I don't miss anything.
22:38
Speaker 1: And it's rare. And I'm gonna say this is this
22:39
Speaker 1: is a sincere compliment. It's rare in today's media world
22:43
Speaker 1: that you care about something so much that you want
22:44
Speaker 1: to catch it live or you want to not miss anything,
22:46
Speaker 1: and what you do on your show now, like I
22:49
Speaker 1: feel that with how you do your show, So as
22:51
Speaker 1: a sincere compliment, I'd like to say, like, you're a
22:54
Speaker 1: real reason that I look at sports and even media
22:58
Speaker 1: in general and go, man, it can still be on
23:00
Speaker 1: at such a high level. Do you still feel when
23:03
Speaker 1: you go in? Are you still so inspired and fired up?
23:05
Speaker 1: Or are you going I've got a job to make
23:07
Speaker 1: sure people know and I'm gonna just take it seriously
23:09
Speaker 1: and focus on what they expect to me. No, I mean,
23:12
Speaker 1: I truly. I'll spare you all the cliches, but my
23:16
Speaker 1: favorite time of the day is when I'm I'm sitting
23:18
Speaker 1: behind a microphone in the studio. It really uh and
23:22
Speaker 1: and I think if you get older, Bobby, you really
23:24
Speaker 1: do appreciate it because you you don't know where it ends,
23:28
Speaker 1: and mostly most of the time it ends badly. But
23:31
Speaker 1: I've COVID changed me. Uh. You know, those that year
23:34
Speaker 1: and a half doing a show from home, hearing the
23:37
Speaker 1: stories uh, you know, watching uh and experiencing with so
23:41
Speaker 1: many other people were going through Really uh, I quit
23:45
Speaker 1: a little bit of the cynicism faded away. Now now
23:48
Speaker 1: I must admit it's coming back pretty pretty fast. Um,
23:51
Speaker 1: But it really was to hear stories and and now
23:55
Speaker 1: that's probably my favorite part of not only interacting and
23:58
Speaker 1: hearing the crazy the crazy people, as you know that's
24:00
Speaker 1: the trademark of the show, but hearing the real life
24:03
Speaker 1: stories the people that that have been laid up or
24:06
Speaker 1: are you just lost a parent or or loved one,
24:09
Speaker 1: and they talk about with this program or your program,
24:12
Speaker 1: or what any program means to them. And I think
24:14
Speaker 1: that's really what what we all should strive to strive
24:17
Speaker 1: to do. And I think too many people in our
24:19
Speaker 1: industry are only there to hear themselves talk and not
24:24
Speaker 1: the folks that they are supposed to be serving. Who
24:28
Speaker 1: top three SEC coaches that you would be friends with
24:31
Speaker 1: in real life or that you are friends with in
24:34
Speaker 1: real life, like as people, because we see them all
24:36
Speaker 1: and we hear them all, we we think what they're cool?
24:39
Speaker 1: But who are the top I'm not gonna ask if
24:41
Speaker 1: you don't like the top three, that you're like, those
24:43
Speaker 1: are my boys. And I'm not saying this to patronize you.
24:46
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm if I'm doing a show in Georgia,
24:48
Speaker 1: you know you would think I'm not just saying Sam
24:51
Speaker 1: Pittman because I genuinely like him. But I genuinely like
24:55
Speaker 1: this guy. And and don't quote me on this, but
24:58
Speaker 1: I normally don't like that coaches because I find them
25:02
Speaker 1: often to be disingenuous and hypocritical. Uh. And Pittman he
25:06
Speaker 1: introduced me to his life this year at at the
25:09
Speaker 1: SEC Spring meetings, and I just fell in love with
25:11
Speaker 1: these two. I mean, because you know we're we're I'm
25:14
Speaker 1: a couple of years older, but we're in the same
25:15
Speaker 1: age group where we're both married and we don't have children.
25:19
Speaker 1: And I just saw a lot of myself in him
25:22
Speaker 1: and how somen fame got to him late in life
25:26
Speaker 1: and nobody expected it, so so he would be at
25:28
Speaker 1: the top of my list. I mean, I mean Kiffin
25:31
Speaker 1: is is intriguing. Uh, He's he's a you know, master manipulator.
25:35
Speaker 1: You have to accept that. I do like Kirby smart
25:39
Speaker 1: just to kind of round out my top three. Uh.
25:41
Speaker 1: And I know somebody is probably saying, well, you didn't
25:44
Speaker 1: mention this one or that one, and you know what,
25:46
Speaker 1: You're right, I didn't. You're a pretty recognizable guy. And
25:50
Speaker 1: can you even go to dinner now and without people
25:52
Speaker 1: coming up and being like, hey, Paul Findbaum, can I
25:53
Speaker 1: get a picture? Can I? That's got to happen everywhere. Well,
25:57
Speaker 1: it's the farther south I go, the more divil culture is. Um,
26:01
Speaker 1: so it's not like, uh, you know, I mean I
26:03
Speaker 1: could go to a dinner in Minneapolis and I don't
26:05
Speaker 1: think anybody would notice. But but Birmingham or Atlanta. But hey,
26:10
Speaker 1: I mean I'm at the point in life where I
26:13
Speaker 1: where I'm where I'm looking at the people that come
26:15
Speaker 1: up to me and go like, where were you? When
26:17
Speaker 1: it matters? I mean, I mean, you know, I'm in
26:21
Speaker 1: my mid sixties, I've been married, thirty three years. I mean,
26:24
Speaker 1: I I mean, I am I laugh at all this stuff.
26:26
Speaker 1: When you know, when the home coming queen at old
26:28
Speaker 1: miss comes over and says, can I get a picture
26:30
Speaker 1: for Instagram? I just say, okay, can I If I
26:33
Speaker 1: could have if that could have happened thirty five forty
26:36
Speaker 1: years ago, and I could have sent it to all
26:37
Speaker 1: my buddies back in high school. But what good does
26:39
Speaker 1: it do me? Now? You say, what's Instagram? That's what
26:41
Speaker 1: That's what you say, What's what's Instagram? Young Ladier? That's exactly, yeah, exactly. Okay,
26:45
Speaker 1: We're gonna end on this. Nick Saban. Obviously you spend
26:48
Speaker 1: time with him. I see you spend a time with him.
26:49
Speaker 1: I see you with them. Like, what kind of like
26:52
Speaker 1: human being is Nick Saban? Because again, all I get
26:55
Speaker 1: is him being hilarious when not trying to be hilarious
27:00
Speaker 1: press conferences, Uh, believe it or not. I'm working on
27:03
Speaker 1: a book and he's he's a he's a big part
27:05
Speaker 1: of the book. And I'm gonna try to explain the
27:06
Speaker 1: psychology of Nick Saban. He he is not someone Bobby
27:10
Speaker 1: that you want to grab and probably be entertained by. Uh,
27:15
Speaker 1: but he he can be fun. And one thing about that,
27:17
Speaker 1: you'll you'll appreciate the best conversations I've ever had with
27:21
Speaker 1: Nick Saban. We're not about football, but about music. He's
27:25
Speaker 1: a classic rock fan. Uh he is. Uh he he
27:30
Speaker 1: told me once that and I can't remember it was
27:33
Speaker 1: the Eagles, like it was an Eagles live album. Uh
27:37
Speaker 1: in Japan. He told me. He said, yeah, I played
27:39
Speaker 1: that over and over again like for for for six months.
27:41
Speaker 1: I mean a little bit obsessive, Okay, Uh, I mean,
27:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Eagles are a good band,
27:46
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I could only listen to a
27:49
Speaker 1: hotel California. But that's him. He likes them. He's he's
27:53
Speaker 1: gone to Rolling Stone concerts. He and Bill Belichick got
27:56
Speaker 1: into uh that. I think they had uh bon jovic
28:00
Speaker 1: Um hang out with them one weekend. So he's not
28:02
Speaker 1: in the country, but he is. Uh. He is a
28:04
Speaker 1: huge classic rock guy. So when you come to town
28:09
Speaker 1: one evening, it would be awesome if we you and
28:11
Speaker 1: I just went to dinner one night without all the
28:13
Speaker 1: cameras and supporters you have to follow you all the
28:15
Speaker 1: fame and glitz like you and I for like an
28:18
Speaker 1: hour and a half talking life like, that's a dream
28:21
Speaker 1: of mine. I would love at some point to make
28:23
Speaker 1: that happen because you walked into there. Because I am
28:26
Speaker 1: going to be a Nashville pretty soon. Let's go, Let's go.
28:29
Speaker 1: If you're if you're in town, we're we will be
28:30
Speaker 1: there for the Vanderbilt the Wake Forest game. Okay, that'd
28:35
Speaker 1: be amazing. I'm a massive fan of you. I'm always
28:39
Speaker 1: And here's the comparison I'm making you and I and
28:42
Speaker 1: I'll let you go. You have a massive show to do.
28:44
Speaker 1: Your a hero to all the world. Um. The comparison
28:46
Speaker 1: is when I finished anything we're doing, if we do
28:49
Speaker 1: like a twelve or third team in a break and
28:51
Speaker 1: we're off the air, and you can tell him, what
28:53
Speaker 1: do I do? As soon as I'm off the air
28:54
Speaker 1: from being Mr Gregarious, Mr Mr Blind for the party?
28:57
Speaker 1: What do I do? You walk out and go home?
28:59
Speaker 1: Where I shut down? I don't. I don't have a
29:00
Speaker 1: lot of energy. You want any time to have energy?
29:02
Speaker 1: Like I go down and I'm like, all right, I
29:04
Speaker 1: gotta figure out what's up next. I'm not. I'm not
29:06
Speaker 1: the life of the party. When there ain't a mic
29:07
Speaker 1: in front of me and I've done your show, even
29:11
Speaker 1: in person, even here, when you set up the stage
29:13
Speaker 1: and very similar you go, all right, I'm off. You know,
29:17
Speaker 1: it's like your robot that shuts down. And I can
29:18
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I can admire that, and because you're
29:22
Speaker 1: a weirdo like me, and I think that's why I
29:23
Speaker 1: love you so much, Bob find Bom. Well, I appreciate
29:26
Speaker 1: you saying that. And when I when I see it,
29:28
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to sell you on getting me a
29:29
Speaker 1: job in Nashville as a songwriter. Whatever did write a
29:32
Speaker 1: country song about ten years ago? No, you didn't know
29:34
Speaker 1: you did it. I did know you did it. Okay,
29:38
Speaker 1: I'll bring it to you and I'm gonna go. I'm
29:39
Speaker 1: gonna go to music Row or where whatever it's called
29:41
Speaker 1: and try to sell it. Yeah it's not called music row,
29:44
Speaker 1: but uh tell your friends you're gonna go down to
29:47
Speaker 1: music Lane and ye music lane. Yeah all right, Paul, Hey,
29:50
Speaker 1: thank you, and hopefully i'll see you soon. You're a hero,
29:53
Speaker 1: and I'll i'll talk to you. I'm gonna tell your
29:55
Speaker 1: guy and give them my cell phone number. If you
29:57
Speaker 1: never text me, I understand you just you hate me.
29:59
Speaker 1: But if you do, and you're like, let's go to dinner.
30:01
Speaker 1: Let's go, and I will let you pay because I'm
30:03
Speaker 1: that kind of nice guy. I would be delighted. And
30:06
Speaker 1: this has been like of all the things I've ever
30:08
Speaker 1: done in my career, stop, okay, stoping the most recent Okay,
30:12
Speaker 1: thank you. That's more like there is Paul fine bomb everybody,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to know for a business that runs does
31:35
Speaker 1: he ever put those phones on silent? You know. Ian's
31:38
Speaker 1: also had the privilege of covering Nick Saban and Bill
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Speaker 1: Belichick very close and personally during his and their careers,
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to talk about that that and much
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Speaker 1: more right now with Ian rappaport Ian, how are you?
31:49
Speaker 1: I'm great, How are you? Hey? Pretty good? I'm I'm
31:51
Speaker 1: pumped to have you on. Is your phone ever on
31:53
Speaker 1: silent I mean, being a guy that gets all this
31:55
Speaker 1: information and you know you're one of the best, if
31:58
Speaker 1: not the best, at your job. Is it ever on
32:00
Speaker 1: island where you just go? I can't turn my phone on.
32:02
Speaker 1: It's a lot of times on silent um, but it's
32:04
Speaker 1: always on vibrate, it's never off. And people always ask
32:08
Speaker 1: me like, oh, man, like when can you turn your
32:10
Speaker 1: phone off? And I'm like, it's actually more stressful to
32:14
Speaker 1: turn my phone off. It really is. Because let's say
32:17
Speaker 1: I'm on vacation and I'm in Hawaii, which I haven't
32:21
Speaker 1: been to in like ten years. But let's just say
32:22
Speaker 1: I'm in Hawaii and I'm on the beach and my
32:24
Speaker 1: phone buzzes, like I can tweet something real fast and
32:29
Speaker 1: be done with it. But what's way more stressful is
32:32
Speaker 1: turning my phone off and being like, I don't know
32:36
Speaker 1: what came like it would be anything like if I
32:39
Speaker 1: or if I'm on vacation and I get some news,
32:41
Speaker 1: I can call one of my colleagues and like, hey,
32:42
Speaker 1: chase this down, but turn the phone off. Like that's
32:45
Speaker 1: just stress, man. And I'm trying. This job is stressful enough.
32:48
Speaker 1: I'm trying everything I can to sort of alleviate some
32:51
Speaker 1: of the stress. You go from being a guy in
32:53
Speaker 1: New York, guy in East Coast to living in Starkville, Mississippi.
32:58
Speaker 1: Is that a culture shock for you? Um? It was. Um,
33:02
Speaker 1: I loved it. I really liked the South. And my
33:05
Speaker 1: wife's from Mississippi. I met her there when I was
33:07
Speaker 1: living in Starfield. She was a student Mississippi State. UM.
33:10
Speaker 1: And I So when I took the job, I told
33:13
Speaker 1: the editors I only took the job under the agreement
33:16
Speaker 1: that I would live in the college town, which seems normal,
33:19
Speaker 1: but at the time they never had that before. It
33:20
Speaker 1: was a Jackson newspaper, Jackson Claren Ledger, so all the
33:24
Speaker 1: writers lived in Jackson. Drove up two hours, reported and
33:26
Speaker 1: drove back. I'm like, no, I want to be immersed
33:29
Speaker 1: in this culture, this team. I want to live there. Uh.
33:32
Speaker 1: And I did. And it was a small town. They
33:35
Speaker 1: got like three bars and restaurants. Um. And like when
33:38
Speaker 1: I'm waiting online for things, my turn is up. When
33:41
Speaker 1: it's up, you know, like in New York, you're like,
33:44
Speaker 1: come on, I got this, like bagel coming, you know,
33:47
Speaker 1: like I got things too, like like four appointments, like
33:49
Speaker 1: let's go in Mississippi, your turn is up. Whenever they
33:53
Speaker 1: say it's up's almost I mean, it's just it's to tie.
33:57
Speaker 1: The clock is different, you know. And Uh, it's like
34:02
Speaker 1: people talk to you online and when they say, like,
34:06
Speaker 1: you know, how you doing, they like actually want to know, right,
34:10
Speaker 1: And they wave at you just driving what're going on?
34:12
Speaker 1: In New York, what's going on is like what do
34:14
Speaker 1: you want? In South, it's like what actually is happening?
34:18
Speaker 1: So I think you used to just like talking to
34:19
Speaker 1: random people that I didn't know. Um, I loved it though.
34:23
Speaker 1: The food is great, people are awesome. UM. I lived
34:26
Speaker 1: in the South five years of Starkville in Tuscaloosa. UM,
34:29
Speaker 1: and I would, you know, for the right situation, I
34:32
Speaker 1: would definitely move back. I want to talk about Tuscaloosa
34:34
Speaker 1: for a second. And we have just a couple of
34:36
Speaker 1: minutes left. But you covered Saban and Belichick separately. Uh.
34:41
Speaker 1: A lot has been made of their friendship or their
34:43
Speaker 1: professional friendship and some of both. But what can you
34:46
Speaker 1: what are the similarities between those two working with them
34:48
Speaker 1: separately independently, and then how are they different? Uh? Similarities? What?
34:54
Speaker 1: Both of them are crazy because they could stand in
34:57
Speaker 1: the field, stand on the sideline. A game goes by
35:01
Speaker 1: with seventy players and you could ask them, both of them.
35:04
Speaker 1: They both can do it about a specific player on
35:06
Speaker 1: a specific play and just watching the game from the sidelines,
35:10
Speaker 1: they can tell you what that player did. It is bonkers.
35:13
Speaker 1: So you'll be like, uh, Nick, on that touchdown, you know,
35:16
Speaker 1: the left tackle looked like he kinda like, oh yeah,
35:19
Speaker 1: he got outside his guy, he pinned him in and
35:21
Speaker 1: that sprung the run and you're like, god, how did
35:24
Speaker 1: you see that? But they both can do it so
35:26
Speaker 1: football wise, and it's it's wild because they can tell
35:29
Speaker 1: you what everyone did on a certain player, what they're
35:31
Speaker 1: supposed to do, what the player was before and after,
35:34
Speaker 1: and what happened. It's like beyond crazy to me. Um
35:38
Speaker 1: both of them are really good at explaining football to idiots,
35:41
Speaker 1: and by that I mean reporters. Um So I like
35:44
Speaker 1: like Belichick specifically, but say we would do too. But
35:47
Speaker 1: Belichick specifically, if you ask him a football thing, who
35:50
Speaker 1: really tell you like you will explain to you in
35:53
Speaker 1: a way that is like palatable, which I always thought
35:56
Speaker 1: was so cool. Um, they're different in that Bill is
35:59
Speaker 1: the was disciplined person, really person that I've ever met.
36:04
Speaker 1: He will go into a press conference and if he
36:06
Speaker 1: doesn't want to say something, you're not getting it out
36:09
Speaker 1: of him. Like he and I got along for a
36:10
Speaker 1: lot of reasons. I think one of the reasons was
36:13
Speaker 1: I knew I was never prying injury news from his lips.
36:17
Speaker 1: Wasn't gonna happen. So if you don't want to say it,
36:19
Speaker 1: I'd asked him. Once, I move on and we talked
36:20
Speaker 1: about other stuff, because you can't force anyone to say anything.
36:24
Speaker 1: With Saban, you kind of can. Um, you ask him
36:28
Speaker 1: over and over and he'll lose discipline and he'll just
36:31
Speaker 1: kind of say whatever. So I could go and do
36:33
Speaker 1: a Belichick press conference and know what I'm getting, and
36:35
Speaker 1: I would go into a Saving press conference and it
36:37
Speaker 1: could literally be anything. It could be. I told you,
36:41
Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about that. What do you
36:42
Speaker 1: want men to say? This guy got suspended and I'm
36:45
Speaker 1: disciplining him here here and here and here' who we're
36:46
Speaker 1: gonna replace him with? I'm not just gonna do that,
36:49
Speaker 1: I know, but just so different there. Um, both are
36:55
Speaker 1: just fascinating to cover and get to know. Which one
36:58
Speaker 1: do you think you'd be better friends with in real
37:00
Speaker 1: life if it was just friendship? Um? Probably Belichick because
37:05
Speaker 1: he can turn it off a little better. Like you know,
37:09
Speaker 1: I like I'll run into Bill, like, say it the
37:12
Speaker 1: combine or something, and I want to talk about football,
37:15
Speaker 1: but instead we'll talking about horse racing for forty five minutes.
37:18
Speaker 1: Like Saban doesn't really do that when he's business. Bill
37:21
Speaker 1: kind of does. That's a little different. You guys follow
37:25
Speaker 1: in at rap sheet on Twitter and Instagram and all
37:29
Speaker 1: over NFL network. Hey, big fan of your work, Just
37:31
Speaker 1: to appreciate the hustle and the inside and thank you
37:34
Speaker 1: for spending some time with us today. No, thank you
37:36
Speaker 1: for having me. This is really cool. And if nothing else,
37:38
Speaker 1: I get to look at my own picture for about
37:40
Speaker 1: twenty two minutes, so that was pretty cool. Yeah, it's
37:42
Speaker 1: for them to not just one four with all a
37:44
Speaker 1: slightly different gesture. All right, and talk to you la everybody. Ahiight,
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Speaker 1: slash Bobby Sports twenty one. So this Rich Eyes and
38:51
Speaker 1: interview was again super cool, so much that I was
38:54
Speaker 1: like geeking out before and after Rich Eyes and Man's
38:57
Speaker 1: ESPN for you know, ever, when I was a it
39:00
Speaker 1: over twenty years doing sports he has done at all.
39:04
Speaker 1: He tells me the story about when he got the
39:05
Speaker 1: call from ESPN that would change his life forever. Rich
39:08
Speaker 1: also talks about the Run Rich Run campaign, which he
39:11
Speaker 1: does for the NFL and for the Combine and for charity,
39:14
Speaker 1: and it was just super cool to talk to Rich Eisen.
39:16
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed this final interview. One of my
39:19
Speaker 1: favorites from the year here is Rich Eisen. Massive fan
39:23
Speaker 1: and have been for a whole long time. And I
39:24
Speaker 1: watch you if I listen to your podcast. Each hour
39:27
Speaker 1: is loaded separately, so I try to I'm a big fan.
39:29
Speaker 1: If you can't tell I know all the nuances of
39:30
Speaker 1: the Rich Eisen show, um, but I have the Roku
39:34
Speaker 1: app that I can watch you guys on You've had
39:36
Speaker 1: to transition a bit with all the new technologies. You know,
39:40
Speaker 1: you have an eleven year old son too, does he
39:41
Speaker 1: help you stay on what to what's what's called? And
39:47
Speaker 1: uh and a nine and they are. It's amazing because
39:52
Speaker 1: back when I was a kid, you know, back when
39:55
Speaker 1: I was a kid, um, it would be what's on
39:59
Speaker 1: channels two, four and seven? Right? Uh? Now they know
40:03
Speaker 1: what's on an app and they get pissed at me
40:05
Speaker 1: when I when I go to try and search for
40:08
Speaker 1: anything on the old Roku device, they're like, Dad, that's
40:12
Speaker 1: on Paramount plus, Dad that's on It's on Disney like
40:15
Speaker 1: and they and and they say it with such scorn. Um.
40:18
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, um, but that's you know, I
40:22
Speaker 1: take it, I absorb it, and I try to get
40:24
Speaker 1: better every day. That's why I have this sign on
40:25
Speaker 1: my desk every day. I don't know if anybody's ever
40:28
Speaker 1: gonna try to take this away from me, the best
40:30
Speaker 1: at ever, but you know that's I'm in my hopefully
40:36
Speaker 1: uh fourteenth consecutive year of that title run that I'm on.
40:39
Speaker 1: I want to talk about getting the call, like the
40:41
Speaker 1: big call, and you know, I just knowing your history,
40:44
Speaker 1: you know, just being you know, a sports anchor and
40:47
Speaker 1: reporterback at a local station, but moving up to ESPN
40:51
Speaker 1: when you got the call that we want you at ESPN.
40:53
Speaker 1: Where were you and what what was actually said on
40:55
Speaker 1: the call? So I was in Redding, California, UM at
41:00
Speaker 1: the ABC local affiliate k r c R Television, and
41:05
Speaker 1: I sent a tape to a headhunter, UM three of
41:07
Speaker 1: them across the United States. I was twenty five years
41:10
Speaker 1: old this and I'm like, you know, I was there
41:14
Speaker 1: for a year. I'm like, what does it matter, It's
41:16
Speaker 1: just first class postage. I'll send these tapes out. So
41:19
Speaker 1: the sender tapes out to a head hunter and I
41:23
Speaker 1: get a phone call, uh at home from the head
41:27
Speaker 1: hunter who says to me, I've got a very interesting
41:30
Speaker 1: and interesting bite. A big time shop is interested in
41:33
Speaker 1: more of your works than the best written material. Another
41:35
Speaker 1: tape sent, another table, and then I go to work
41:39
Speaker 1: one day and UM, it's a a phone where it
41:45
Speaker 1: would ring once, one loud ring if it was a
41:47
Speaker 1: local call, and a ring ring if it was outside
41:50
Speaker 1: of the area code. I mean again, this is and
41:56
Speaker 1: whenever it would ring ring, it would it would be
41:58
Speaker 1: my parents or my brother because I'm from New York
42:01
Speaker 1: City and they lived in New Jersey and my brother
42:02
Speaker 1: was in southern California. So it never would. Ring ring
42:05
Speaker 1: twice and ring ring, and I pick up the phone
42:09
Speaker 1: and it was an agent named Henry Reich from the
42:12
Speaker 1: William Mars Talent Agency, saying he wanted my real immediately
42:17
Speaker 1: because I was the hottest up and coming sportscaster in
42:21
Speaker 1: America according to him and what he had been hearing.
42:24
Speaker 1: And I'm like, all right, because I'm about to go
42:27
Speaker 1: drive fifty miles into the Shasta Mountain Range to try
42:31
Speaker 1: and cover a local high school volleyball game with my
42:34
Speaker 1: three quarter inch camera connected with a coaxial cable to
42:37
Speaker 1: the deck with a huge you know, uh strap over
42:41
Speaker 1: my other shoulder, one man banning the whole thing, and
42:43
Speaker 1: so um, I'm not feeling very hot. He goes send
42:47
Speaker 1: me to tape. Great, hang up the phone, call my
42:49
Speaker 1: brother up, and I'm like, you'll never guess what just happened.
42:51
Speaker 1: I tell him. He goes get out of here, no Kiden.
42:53
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that's just tapping, hanging the phone up,
42:56
Speaker 1: Ring ring, and another one and this isn't five minutes
43:01
Speaker 1: of each other. And I'm like, watch, I am such hot.
43:04
Speaker 1: That's ESPN on the phone, And sure enough it was
43:07
Speaker 1: a guy named Al Jaffey from ESPN, their head hunter,
43:10
Speaker 1: who I had sent multiple unsolicited tapes and resumes too
43:13
Speaker 1: over the previous five year period, and it was him
43:17
Speaker 1: telling me that he had gotten my tape. They really
43:20
Speaker 1: like it and they want to set up an interview
43:22
Speaker 1: in an audition. And I thought it was my brother
43:24
Speaker 1: telling all of my friends back home call Rich say
43:27
Speaker 1: you're Al Jaffee sending all that, and I thought it
43:30
Speaker 1: was all my friends trying to mother, you know, and
43:33
Speaker 1: um it was not. It was the real deal guy.
43:35
Speaker 1: And I almost cursed him out, thinking it was a friend,
43:38
Speaker 1: like who are you? But it was really him and UM.
43:42
Speaker 1: I flew down to Los Angeles a few weeks later
43:44
Speaker 1: to UH to interview UM I did with a whole
43:48
Speaker 1: bunch of executives that were there for the Cable Ace Awards,
43:51
Speaker 1: which no longer exist. And then a few weeks later
43:54
Speaker 1: I auditioned for the gig um on a Monday after
43:59
Speaker 1: by the way, a snowstorm prevented me from getting halfway
44:02
Speaker 1: across the country in the initial time of auditioning, so
44:06
Speaker 1: it was a long wait, a lot of ups and downs,
44:09
Speaker 1: but I got the gig after auditioning with Al Jaffee
44:12
Speaker 1: And that's my story. Did you ever have imposter syndrome
44:15
Speaker 1: or at any time do you have impostor syndrome while
44:17
Speaker 1: you were there, especially the early days. What do you
44:19
Speaker 1: mean like you're like, Okay, I'm probably not at the level.
44:22
Speaker 1: Do they think I am. I'm about to do this
44:23
Speaker 1: and I'm not really that good? Oh? My first sports
44:26
Speaker 1: Center was with Larry Beale was the Sports Center anchor.
44:30
Speaker 1: He's now out in uh northern California, And um it
44:34
Speaker 1: was this is before ESPN News, so I was the
44:38
Speaker 1: last guy that they hired that they threw directly on
44:40
Speaker 1: Sports Center and um so ESPN News what they would
44:45
Speaker 1: put guys and gals on to get their teeth cut
44:49
Speaker 1: and get up to speed. So, um I I just
44:52
Speaker 1: remember it was a half hour sports center in the
44:55
Speaker 1: on the on the round of thirty two day I believe,
44:58
Speaker 1: or it was a sweet sixteen was the all of March,
45:01
Speaker 1: so it's probably a round of thirty two day and
45:04
Speaker 1: we I had eleven highlights that had only seen one
45:06
Speaker 1: of them. So they were gonna hand me ten paperwork
45:09
Speaker 1: shot sheets with it where you could follow along what's
45:12
Speaker 1: written there, uh to to know what the highlights were um,
45:16
Speaker 1: and I would have to add lib the whole damn thing.
45:18
Speaker 1: And I remember walking downstairs and saying to myself, I
45:21
Speaker 1: have two choices. I can either pee down my leg
45:23
Speaker 1: or I could just suck it up and say I'm
45:24
Speaker 1: ready for this. And I think I did both, um,
45:28
Speaker 1: And it was wild um. And I just looked around
45:33
Speaker 1: and the people that were in the news room where
45:37
Speaker 1: all the anchors who I had emulated or wanted to emulate,
45:41
Speaker 1: or had watched for years and what made me want
45:43
Speaker 1: to be a SportsCenter anchor, And they were automatically my colleagues,
45:47
Speaker 1: and um, it was overwhelming, no question about it. Keith
45:50
Speaker 1: Olberman and Dan Patrick and Kilbourne and you know, Robin
45:55
Speaker 1: Roberts and Dave you know, uh, Charlie Starner, Bob Lee.
45:58
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, these are all the people that
46:00
Speaker 1: I was now colleagues with. It was overwhelming, but you know,
46:04
Speaker 1: I was aged six, Um, but it's time in my
46:08
Speaker 1: life seven years met my wife there. My children are
46:10
Speaker 1: ESPN babies because of that. Technically and unbelievable, what a run.
46:15
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of your your work with the Draft,
46:18
Speaker 1: and I wonder what people being a big fan of
46:21
Speaker 1: you people admiring what you do do you sometimes get
46:24
Speaker 1: a lot of inside information that you can't share. Like
46:27
Speaker 1: there's a fine line of things you know and things
46:28
Speaker 1: you can actually say. Yeah, I mean yeah, but I
46:32
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think I'm I do this thing
46:35
Speaker 1: to break news, you know. And I say that having
46:38
Speaker 1: a journalism degree from Northwestern, I know that that that
46:42
Speaker 1: that's not something you want to say. I think I'm
46:44
Speaker 1: I'm here to just kind of guide everyone through what
46:48
Speaker 1: I'm hearing and understand what I can say what I
46:51
Speaker 1: don't say. You know, I'm not schefter, I mud Ian Rappaport,
46:54
Speaker 1: my colleague at the NFL network, That's not That's not
46:56
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. If I hear something that can break something,
46:59
Speaker 1: I will do that. But um, you know a great
47:03
Speaker 1: for instance, is it prior to the draft? All I
47:06
Speaker 1: heard this is the draft in Dallas that it went
47:08
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald, Josh Allen, uh, Josh Rosen
47:13
Speaker 1: and then Lamar Jackson was the last quarterback. That was
47:15
Speaker 1: the quarterback draft of We had heard quite a bit
47:19
Speaker 1: on this show, um from people who we spoke to
47:22
Speaker 1: off camera and what I heard at the combine leading up.
47:25
Speaker 1: We heard a lot that Russell Wilson was in play.
47:28
Speaker 1: We're like, you get out of here, like what the hell?
47:30
Speaker 1: Um really? And um, you know, we didn't say anything,
47:35
Speaker 1: which is good because Russell didn't get traded. But now
47:39
Speaker 1: we found out literally in the week before his home
47:42
Speaker 1: opener in Seattle, as a member of the Broncos, he
47:45
Speaker 1: let it be known that they did try to trade
47:47
Speaker 1: him trade him prior to So what we heard was
47:50
Speaker 1: actually accurate. But had we said it, we would have
47:53
Speaker 1: created this huge stir um or or I shouldn't say that.
47:59
Speaker 1: What I say it's a huge stir I shouldn't say that.
48:02
Speaker 1: I would just say that we would have definitely put
48:04
Speaker 1: something out there that might have gained attention potentially significantly,
48:08
Speaker 1: that would have been inaccurate, even though it was accurate. Um,
48:12
Speaker 1: And I don't like to traffic in those waters. I
48:15
Speaker 1: would just prefer to kind of make you smarter by
48:18
Speaker 1: by talking about the things that I think are going
48:21
Speaker 1: to happen, not what I'm hearing could happen like that.
48:24
Speaker 1: That is not what I like to traffic in. You've
48:26
Speaker 1: been running that the forty for a bunch of years, now,
48:29
Speaker 1: are you ever gonna hit a time where you're like,
48:30
Speaker 1: all right, I gotta stop. If you had like a
48:32
Speaker 1: seven seven seconds, are you gonna go like I need
48:34
Speaker 1: to pass this down. Let my son do it now, No, Bobby.
48:37
Speaker 1: If I if I need a walker, that's when I'll
48:39
Speaker 1: stop and actual help you know, UM doing that. But
48:45
Speaker 1: to be very um straightforward with you again, UM, yeah,
48:48
Speaker 1: there is like at some point, UM, I don't think
48:51
Speaker 1: people want to watch some guy run, you know, with
48:54
Speaker 1: a limp and do something UM particularly bad. My wife
48:58
Speaker 1: wants me to train for it. Um, and UM, I
49:02
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean I go back and forth like
49:04
Speaker 1: should I really really train for it? Like it was
49:07
Speaker 1: sort of like an everyman approach where just like it's
49:10
Speaker 1: just anybody coming off the couch and running it. But
49:12
Speaker 1: now maybe UM as again fifty three, perhaps me training
49:17
Speaker 1: for it could be UM could be uh uh I
49:22
Speaker 1: guess an example to people who are advancing UM to
49:27
Speaker 1: stay in shape. And maybe that's another aspect of it
49:30
Speaker 1: that I need to focus on because the reason why
49:32
Speaker 1: I do it now and don't want to give it
49:35
Speaker 1: up is because of the fundraising aspect for St. Jude
49:37
Speaker 1: Children's Research Hospital. Um. But it has been you know,
49:42
Speaker 1: amazing it's the as you can see here the logo
49:45
Speaker 1: of my show and what so many people do associate
49:48
Speaker 1: me with. And it was born, like many things in television,
49:52
Speaker 1: out of complete boredom waiting to shoot television show. As
49:56
Speaker 1: I was sitting next to Terrell Davis under the buzz
49:58
Speaker 1: of the old r C a him which got blown
50:00
Speaker 1: to Smith of reens for the new stadium in Indianapolis,
50:03
Speaker 1: where he said, Uh, I said, how fast do you
50:05
Speaker 1: think I can run the forty? He laughed at me.
50:08
Speaker 1: I cursed at him and went down and ran it.
50:10
Speaker 1: Had no idea that the NFL network crew on a
50:13
Speaker 1: break was actually recording it. They played it back as
50:17
Speaker 1: a surprise to me on live TV and it kind
50:19
Speaker 1: of got a life in the zone that still lives today. Well, Rich,
50:22
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. I'm a big fan, like again,
50:25
Speaker 1: and if you guys have Roku or Roku channel, which
50:28
Speaker 1: I have the Roku app and I'm able to catch
50:30
Speaker 1: Rich on a listen listening on podcast as well. Uh.
50:32
Speaker 1: One of the interviews that I really enjoyed was when
50:35
Speaker 1: you talk to the guys that do the town halls,
50:37
Speaker 1: the Chad Kroeger, the you know when you went and
50:40
Speaker 1: you were like, hey, because they go into these town
50:42
Speaker 1: hall meetings and like propose water towers named after Britney Spear. Like,
50:46
Speaker 1: I thought that was such a funny interview. And I'll
50:48
Speaker 1: end with this, because you are interviewing celebrities and athletes,
50:52
Speaker 1: have you had to change your style or research a
50:54
Speaker 1: bit more because your interviews are a bit different now? Well,
50:57
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a great um for auction team
51:00
Speaker 1: that that's stuck with me and this show through the
51:04
Speaker 1: pandemic and through many different partners. Hopefully the Roku Journal's
51:08
Speaker 1: the last switch that I make. UM, and I appreciate
51:11
Speaker 1: that you you got a Roku device just to keep watching.
51:15
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. But we we we dig in to
51:19
Speaker 1: see if there is a celebrity sports cross section, because
51:23
Speaker 1: that's the idea of this show is, you know, uh,
51:27
Speaker 1: that sports is a touchdown of pop culture just as
51:31
Speaker 1: much as movies and television. Um, the greatest sporting event
51:35
Speaker 1: that the that the American sports scene puts on and exports,
51:40
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl is stopped in the middle for a
51:42
Speaker 1: rock concert and nobody bats an eyelash anymore. So it
51:46
Speaker 1: really is something that I love to put together and
51:50
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that the folks at Roku and the Roku
51:52
Speaker 1: channel are into it too. So whenever celebrity comes on,
51:56
Speaker 1: we see, you know, did they play sports or if
51:59
Speaker 1: they're a die hard fan of the team, happy to
52:01
Speaker 1: dive in and let them be a pundit um and
52:05
Speaker 1: and give opinions, because I think when a celebrity who's
52:09
Speaker 1: into that uh comes in to promote his or her
52:13
Speaker 1: movie or television show or music or album, they prefer
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Speaker 1: to talk about that rather than the funny story from
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Speaker 1: their vacation. Um. And then there are some celebrities who
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Speaker 1: don't know sports very well and are deathly afraid that
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Speaker 1: if they come on it'll be like if you saw
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Speaker 1: the movie Diner, where um, you know, one of the
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Speaker 1: characters won't get married to his fiance unless she passes
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Speaker 1: a quiz on the Baltimore Cult successfully. They feel like
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Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to do with them or to them,
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Speaker 1: which is the worst thing for a host to do.
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Speaker 1: So I try to make it comfortable and just talk
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Speaker 1: about their movie or TV history and um. So we've
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Speaker 1: got to, as I said, a terrific crew that we
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Speaker 1: put together here and we all, you know, I think
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Speaker 1: really like each other. Um that we we come with
53:00
Speaker 1: a segment called Celebrity True or False where we just
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Speaker 1: go through their history about well, this story was on
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Speaker 1: the internet, this story was on your IMDb page? Is
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Speaker 1: it true or false about your TV show or you
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Speaker 1: about your your your movies. And it's just a great
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Speaker 1: way and fans eat it up, thank goodness. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we had Henry Winkler on the other month and we
53:20
Speaker 1: talked to about Jump the Shark. UM. We had um,
53:24
Speaker 1: you know, Gerald McCraney here the other day. UM, from
53:28
Speaker 1: so many terrific shows. We asked them about Major Dad.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I love to do, just having people
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Speaker 1: from across the pop culture landscape talk about their movies
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Speaker 1: and TV. So yes, my long winded answer is yes,
53:39
Speaker 1: there is a lot more research that goes into it,
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Speaker 1: but you put up a production constructor to place it in.
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Speaker 1: And not only is it um something enjoyable to watch
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Speaker 1: and listen to live, it's very consumable on an on
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Speaker 1: demand podcast or YouTube or YouTube page. UM YouTube dot com.
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Speaker 1: Slash Rich Eyes and Show has twenty eight thousand video
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Speaker 1: u from our near eight year history on it. And
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Speaker 1: so yeah, I do love having celebrities on and and
54:07
Speaker 1: and it does require a little bit more help. Certainly,
54:10
Speaker 1: if you mentioned Chat and t J, they come on
54:12
Speaker 1: and drop the word paraneum for the first time in
54:15
Speaker 1: my show's history. Listen, big fan you guys follow at
54:19
Speaker 1: Rich Eisen at Rich Eyes and show Roku uh As
54:23
Speaker 1: as you say, now you'll be announcing a serious channel
54:25
Speaker 1: really soon, Radio Like I'm a total fanboy, you know.
54:28
Speaker 1: I'll admit it now that it's over, and I've admitted
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Speaker 1: it six times during But just keep doing it and
54:33
Speaker 1: I'll be listening every day and hopefully I'll meet you
54:35
Speaker 1: in real life sometime soon. Rich. Thanks a lot. When
54:37
Speaker 1: you're back here in Los Angeles after waking up at
54:40
Speaker 1: one in the morning and you're done with your show,
54:41
Speaker 1: you come in here and sit next to me. We'll
54:43
Speaker 1: have a chat, all right, buddy, Thank you, see you later.
54:45
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