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Pass The Rock - The Genesis · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: All right, guys, what's up?
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  SPEAKER_01: Lawrence here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is with my boy Brian Daly, you know, the originator, creator of PTR.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_01: So excited.
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  SPEAKER_01: Want to give a special thanks to everyone who supported this movement since 2020, as you said.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_01: So this idea.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk more about it because we're in a new chapter.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: We got a new logo, new move.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey, hey.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_01: So so full expectations going forward here.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: We're just two friends just talking.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we're gonna talk about what's really important to us, obviously, God, faith, and basketball, sports.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, grateful for everyone to join along.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, BD, let's let's start off with PTR.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: For those that don't know, what is PTR?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go, L.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: So PTR stands for Pass the Rock, and uh the idea comes from in sports, uh, you know, share joy when you pass the ball, uh, when you evolve people and you score buckets or you win the game.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and then the rock, you know, not just passing a ball, but passing the rock, capital K, capital R.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so passing on nuggets of wisdom and knowledge about God.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: And so it's it's kind of double meaning, uh, but that's where it comes from.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh this idea uh was something that was taught to me by a mentor uh when I was in junior college, and so um a actually a football player who played at uh Utah University, who was a campus minister after playing football, met me at Bellevue Community College.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so at this time I'm trying to figure out life, trying to figure out uh faith and sports, and uh he asked me to study the Bible, and I had never studied the Bible, and so I was really excited uh to learn more about God and learn more about the word.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: But one of the first concepts he taught me was anything I've learned in basketball can help me in discipleship, and anything I learn in discipleship can help me in basketball.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_00: So it's really made up of those two concepts.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: Got it, got it.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: So things that you learn about okay, so God and basketball, and you talk about integrating sports and hoops.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: So all right, so let's let's unpack this a little bit, all right?
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_01: So pass the rock, you're passing Jesus, but also your favorite part of the basketball game is what?
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, passing the ball, sharing the ball.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, I grew up loving Magic Johnson.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, and Magic Johnson, I mean, point guard roles kind of changed a little bit.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: We we should talk about that sometime, but um, I grew up like when I would watch uh Magic Johnson play the game of basketball, it just brought a smile to my face, and he would just share the enthusiasm and joy with his teammates and completely change the game by distributing the basketball.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the other idea of it.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, if we all don't know, man, you know, Brian Daly, you know, he's Caucasian, but he's got a little, he's got he's like white chocolate, man.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's BDZ.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: Real quick story.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: We're hooping.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm fairly athletic, guys.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: I was more of a baseball player.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're going down for a fast break.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Brian tries to give me alley hoop by throwing it off the ground and like having me jump in there to get it, and he did it, it was like in slow motion.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, bro, I don't play ball like that.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like I just didn't compete with like, oh, that's an alley hoop.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_01: So Brian's got yeah, he he's got a love for the game, he's got his own swag to it.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: So tell me about uh how did you fall in love with the game of basketball?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_00: All right, well, so I gotta say on that comment that the reason why I asked Lawrence to host this time is Lawrence is one of one.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so Lawrence played a lot of sports growing up, played college baseball, and uh was in my campus ministry at University of Missouri and uh became a campus minister and the leader of my campus ministry.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I look up to Elle for a lot of ways, but L, do not sleep, he's an athlete, he can play any sport, he's good at basketball, he's good at baseball, he's good at football, and uh he also has worked at Nike, he's worked at Under Armour, um, and he's worked at Lulu Lululemon.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: So uh to have your background, your perspective, um, it's one of the reasons you know that this was like no-brainer.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: Gotta have you be a part of this.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right, real quick, so I got out of that, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, you lift me up.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: I played a little bit of college baseball, and this works to my story as a Christian because I got kicked off the team.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, we'll talk about that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you play.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: I play.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, you know, I was recruited from Japan to go play Norvick State, but yeah, yeah, so there's another story there.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: But God has blessed me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank God I became a Christian.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: So but basically did you get any any games in or just freshmen?
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: Man, bro.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: No, my only glory I had is Major League Baseball Scouts came and uh the Cincinnati Reds scout love me, and I think that caused a lot of jealousy problems.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: So hold on anyway.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Another story, another day.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go, let's go.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so tell me, okay, so tell me about how did your love for hoops come, and then how does hoops and god integrate?
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, man, for me, it's kind of ironic because I fell in love with the game of basketball at YMCAs.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I grew up in the Seattle area in the suburbs and uh in a town called Samamish.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so my parents both worked, and so they would take me to YMCAs in the summer, and uh they would take me to different YMCAs.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: So they would we go to one in Issaquah, one in Pine Lake, one in Bellevue, Renton, it didn't matter where it was.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they kind of take me to different places, and so all these YMCAs had basketball courts, they had specific time for activities where you play ball, and it was the easiest way to get to know people, it was the easiest way to just, you know, you kind of start shooting, check up this play, either one-on-one or pick up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's ironic because the game was invented at a YMCA, and so uh, you know, this I think this has become um more studied, more shared, especially in social media.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: But the inventor is Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: James Naismith, and so he invented the game in December of 1891.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Now, uh, what's interesting about Dr.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: James Naismith, he's got a lot of books out there, and you can you can read and hear about his life in his own words.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he grew up playing sports, he actually played football in college.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, he was a center on the football team, and so he had this moment where uh one of his teammates cursed and then apologized to him because they could tell just by the way he lived, he was a Christian and they cursed around him.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so kind of this light bulb went off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't have to, I don't have to preach Jesus verbally to my teammates all the time.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: They'll see my faith in the way I live.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so he he ended up going to seminary, um, he got a degree from McGill University and really had what he needed to go be a minister, but decided instead of doing that, he'd go work at the YMCA.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, this is also a big deal because in our context, sports is everywhere, but at this time, 1890s, sport was like an enemy of faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so it came with pride, it came with anger, with violence.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it was very like his family.
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  SPEAKER_00: He talks about his book, but his family was like encouraging him, go into the ministry, and he decided that his ministry was going to be working at the YMCA, teaching young men.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so he wrote this in his his mission statement on his application in 1889 or 1890, somewhere around there, but to teach young men about their master through the gym.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think the exact words were to win young men to their master through the gym.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's the um that's the route he took.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so he's doing that, and then he had this class, kind of a rowdy class, 18 people, and they couldn't get a teacher to come up with a game that would occupy the class and keep their attention.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so you have football at this time, you have baseball at this time, but in the dead of winter in December in Massachusetts, you know what are you gonna do?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: So he on the day the day before it was due, uh, from his kind of boss, he came up with this game and he kind of goes through how he did it.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: He grabbed a soccer ball they used for the basketball.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they didn't have any any um any nets at that time.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: They used peach baskets that a janitor found in the basement, and the teams were nine on nine because they had 18 people.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, score was one to zero.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, one bucket was scored.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: So all that, um all that is a story of basketball.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, so you think about it, you go, wow, this guy whose mission was to win young men to Jesus came up with this sport, and now the sport has blown up, right?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so my thought is if that was his mission, and then God's grown the sport like this, right?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Can we learn about Jesus in the sport?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes, we can learn about Jesus through playing, and then if we can in basketball, can we in other sports?
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: I think the answer is yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I think the answer is as long as you're playing, or as long as there's competition, there's an opportunity to learn about Jesus.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: No, I love that, man.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even going back to his story, it blew me away.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize in the context of sports in the late 1800s, they saw it as something maybe ungodly or ungentlemanlike.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: As you said, the heart of competition came out pride, anger.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: And instead of him running for that from it, he went to it, which sounds so much like Jesus, right?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not gonna just stay with it's the sick, they need a doctor, but there's something about this force that called him to it and yeah, just do something inspiring.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I love that.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: So it also makes me think of this quote that I really want you to talk more about because I think some people see Jesus as corny.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm just gonna be like I said, we're just gonna be transparent.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think people see Jesus as corny.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_01: If I do this for God, I gotta be the nice guy.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: I can't dunk with Millennius you know showing off.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: But there's something about the sport in general, but we'll just talk basketball that really like moves the heart of a certain man, right?
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's hip-hop they see, and real recognize real.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: But there's something about hoops, man, that just you know, it really moves men and women to adapt on it in a different way.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Can you tell me B in your experience?
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: You play professional ball over C D1 basketball, you play with LeBron James, which I just found out last week.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: What is it about basketball that you think really draws that out of men or women as well?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I could probably talk about it all day.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, that's a great question.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: I think the so the first thing that I fell in love with was the simplicity of it.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, you could you can sell a lot of products, but really you need a ball in a hoop.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, like if you're you know, kids that grow up, if you don't have enough money to have a hoop or you don't have a hoop outside, you do exactly what you do in the background of your video, you make one.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, so like we in our generation, it was like a hanger and socks, right?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think the simplicity of the game, the goal is to make a shot, you know, it takes faith to shoot, to practice, you're imagining the game.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's a beauty to that.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_00: So simplicity number one, I'd say number two is basketball's a game where it's it's um it's team building, it's shared.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, everyone everyone can touch a basketball, everyone you share the ball.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: If one guy wins, your whole team wins, you know.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so I think the fact that you share the ball and then in the pickup culture, like you may not know somebody, man, you build friendships, you build relationships, and how deep is brotherhood when it's connected in a competitive spirit, you know.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: We know that in our campus ministry, L.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're brothers in our faith, but man, when you compete against and with each other, iron trappings iron, and you you know, you lose your cool, you apologize, you pray together.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's a deeper bond that you build.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think the the camaraderie be number two, and then three, I think the rhythm of the game, man.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's a rhythm to the way you dribble, the way you pass, the shot, you know, next play, you know, the rhythm of the game, it's it's a beautiful thing.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd say those three things are attractive.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Camaraderie, rhythm.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: And as you said that, man, yeah, you're so right.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there's other things as well, but you're right.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's simple, it's just a hoop and a ball, you know, and camaraderie.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's such brotherhood, black, white, Asian, skinny, old, you know what I'm saying?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's all ages, and the rhythm, I think there is a complexity, a lot of details, but when it's done, you know, a spin move, a crossover, a layup, you know, there's just something about it that's just yeah, really beautiful.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: So, so tell me about okay, when people say, hey man, you can't play D1 professional, or even just really compete hard and do it the way for God, or like Jesus, like it's two separate things.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like I pray, get on my knees and do my rosemaries or whatever you do in your personal walk with God.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: But then on the basketball court, okay, now I gotta turn it on and be like, boom, I'm dunking about somebody.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me how Jesus would play.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Or like, what is the real Christian, like, hey, God expectations for sports and competition?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I love I love that because um I've served as a chaplain with several sports teams, and one of the kind of icebreaker questions I love to ask is what would it look like for Jesus to play volleyball, or if Jesus played football or basketball, what would that look like?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think you ask 50 people, you might get 50 different answers on that.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Someone will be like, Oh, he's just gonna dunk, you know, like NBA jam cheat code, he's on fire, he's just dunking over everybody.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Ugh, you know, uh, other people might be like, Oh, he's just gonna pass every time, he'll be serving and a good teammate, and um, he'll encourage people.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, so man, there it's it's really that's what's fun about talking about Jesus, right?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: But I think the key ingredient would be he'd be passionate.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so, if you know, if we're called to love God with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength, I imagine Jesus would play with that passion of loving God with all his heart, soul, mind, and strength.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so this is challenging, I'd say, for athletes, is how do you find that, how do you find that healthy, I wouldn't even say balance, but just healthy way to have your intensity, your competitive spirit be spiritual.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I mean, I had that question when I was learning about everything because my in my mind it was like if I'm a hooper, if I'm if I'm playing in college, I've got to have an edge, I've got to have competitive spirit, juice, all that.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: And so I asked um the guy studying the Bible with me, David Cunningham.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: I said, It seems like if you're a Christian, you become soft.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that's real, right?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: Let's just so how do I because I still want to be a hooper, as if you know, back then I'm like, ah, I still want to be a hooper, so how do I not be soft and a Christian?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: And man, he was we're actually on there's this floating bridge in Seattle, and we were driving across this bridge, and he slowed his car down.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a Ford Focus, and he was like super strong, bro.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we're just packed in this car, and he just slowed the car down, and there's cars going by us, and he looked over at me and he goes, The toughest men in the world love God.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then he said a quote, I'll never forget.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: He said, If you can bow before God, you can stand before any man.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, and so I was a little scared from the cars, but I was like, Okay, I got it, I got it, let's get out of here.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I do think as men, that's our work to do.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: As women, that's the work to do, is find find how to have a healthy competitive spirit as a Christian.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I love it, man.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: Bro, I just watched Passion of Christ and my 16-year-old daughter.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out, we love you so much.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: And that scene of him carrying a cross to go Gautha.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, you can't be no punk.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_01: Excuse my right, you ain't no punk, you can't be soft, you can't be weak to be able to carry this cross after you've been flogged, and even to hang on the cross for hours after all that, there is a intensity and mental toughness and determination, to your point, a passion of like, hey, being a warrior in that moment.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you can hear my dog barking, but he's in the background.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, yeah, but no, but being a Christian is like, man, enduring the hard things and doing with everything you got.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm kind of preaching now, so sorry, just tell me what hey Lord, shut up and just ask questions.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: But like, you know, today's society, in a sense, these young men, like, come on, guys, be a man, be a woman, be strong, don't be afraid to share your convictions, say what you believe in, stand up for what's right, despite what may happen, right?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: So hence, you know, we're trying to pass the rock in a sense.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, so Brian, what what can people expect from some of the content?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: What's the goal of the content that you're gonna be putting out there?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: What are we gonna be doing for the people to know?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so I think to sum it up, pass the rock, the idea is that we're we're like a team, okay?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so everyone's gonna be in a different place.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Some people might just be, hey, I want to learn a little bit about my faith, but I'm not ready to make Jesus Lord of my life, or I'm not ready to repent or get baptized, or some people might be like, I'm following Jesus and I'm trying to figure this thing out.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, how do I integrate faith in sports?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's important because usually people will fall into three categories.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: One is their their sport experience ignores their faith.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I just I'm one person when I play and compete.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even talk about my faith, I don't bring it up, I don't incorporate it.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I'm done, I'll go be a Christian, right?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's one way.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: The second way is your sport experience hurts your faith.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like, oh man, I'm at my most prideful on the court.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I'm not looking out for any other teammates, I don't encourage anybody.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: I basically ask acting like a jerk, and it hurts my faith.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or you know, I don't get the results I want.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm struggling.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm like, God, why are you punishing me?
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, as you you know, L, sometimes it's not like one team's being punished by God, it's like you guys just didn't play good enough.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: So the second way is it can it can hurt our faith.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the third way, which would be my goal, is that we integrate the way we live and the way we worship with the way that we play.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so I I set out my day.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: If I have practice, if I have training, I go, how can I glorify God today?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: What can I learn about Jesus today?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, you know, how how can I look at my sport experience through the lens of the Bible, through the lens of discipleship?
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think the more we can inspire people to do that, the better.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's my prayer, bro, is that people are inspired to do that work.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to really maximize their full potential.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because you said you can have the mama mentality, get after it, you know, fight through whatever pain apps are adversity, excuse me.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: You can have the body, strong work, the discipline, all that.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't have the soul, you might be missing something, right?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: And you might have something else to tap into that gives you even more.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: So absolutely.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll piggyback everything you said, and I think P Charge is trying to make the most the supreme athlete for the supreme calling, for the supreme purpose.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love the word of supreme, the idea of supreme, and then you know, we're talking about athletes.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: You and I uh we're more coaches and parents, and so that it also our our sport experience, if it integrates with our faith, it can help us after we're done, when the ball stops bouncing, right?
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Life after basketball.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: How do we almost like our testimony?
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: How do we have peace with whatever way the sport ends?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then if we become coaches, how do we make sense of what we learned in our sport experience, good and bad, to help coach with faith, right?
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: To integrate our faith in our coaching.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then as parents, how do we release our kids to the sport experience and foster a healthy experience, not just in their sport, but in their faith?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to be those parents that the reason that they don't play or the reasons they don't want to follow Jesus is because we're all over them and we're we're projecting our experience in sports and faith onto them.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we really there's something for everybody the athlete, the coach, the parent.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: I love that, man.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it gave me a new layer of uh uh idea past the rock.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Pass on something that's gonna last.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna be you, it's not gonna be your feelings or your dreams or your highlights.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: That that there's momentary glory in that, but pass on something that's gonna last forever, right?
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, absolutely like a dream.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, a dream would be like, you know, your son Leo, my son Luca, one day they have kids, and so we got, you know, Lord willing, we got two young dudes that become mighty men of faith, yeah, and they have kids, and we're sitting there, we're at the park getting shots up, and we got our kids having fun, living a faithful life, yeah, teaching their kids, our grandkids about the game.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, we're like, oh, beautiful, like it's almost out of Deuteronomy 5, you know, like yeah, generation to generation, yeah, generation to generation, and impacting our community.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love it, man.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, so every week we're gonna be posting up a video that goes about 20 minutes.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, what do you A B, we didn't discuss this beforehand, but maybe we can close out with a prayer, and then whoever's watching can just join us in prayer.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Love it, yeah.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: You want to pray?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, I can do it.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: Heavenly Father God, we thank you for a chance to talk about you, talk about uh sports that we love so much, especially basketball.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: God, thank you for the game.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for how you work through Dr.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Naismith's life to come up with this game uh in a PE class in Massachusetts, you know, in the middle of winter, God.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for what you've done with it and the opportunities it's provided so many people across the earth, God.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for the bond uh that that I have with Lawrence, that uh, you know, both both guys that love you, uh that have grown in our faith.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: You've allowed us to have families and friendships, God, and taught us so much and uh humbled us and taught us through that, God.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: And uh just lift up this project to you, Father, these these uh conversations we have, that they would glorify you, God.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: We pray that you would guide our conversations.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: We pray that we would uh remain grounded as men of faith, as as fathers, as uh husbands, as friends and brothers, uh uh, but number one uh as men of faith.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: And also that uh this would glorify you, whether it's uh one person uh or a hundred people, that that what we do, what we produce would be something that glorifies you, that inspire other people.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: God, we love you and your son, Jesus' name.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: We pray.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 23:28
  unknown: Amen.