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Free Speech & Spilled Milk: Why We Can't Look Away | Ep 263 · Voices for Voices®

• 0:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Hi everyone, welcome to another episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
• 0:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm your host.
• 0:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Founder of Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes.
• 0:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Thank you so much for joining us on this episode.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're over 260 episodes in our catalog.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're going to be hitting 300 total episodes by the end of calendar year 2025.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that's all because of you, because you're tuning in, you're watching, you're listening, whether in the United States or another country, province, territory across the world.
• 0:57
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we want to welcome you and to the Voices for Voices family.
• 1:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome you to express your voice, share your voice and if you'd like to be a guest on the show, please reach out.
• 1:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We'd love to have you on.
• 1:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What do we do when we are faced with situations, experiences, where things are really really hard, really tough that there's not a real straightforward answer or an obvious answer?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: What do we do?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we react?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: How do we process that?
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't know all those parts At least, I don't as far as how the brain processes information, as far as how the brain processes information.
• 2:10
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But what I do know is a little bit about how I say react under some pressure, under some circumstances.
• 2:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Maybe I wasn't expecting, the organization wasn't expecting.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, that can be anything from I walk outside the door and I wasn't expecting for it to be raining outside.
• 2:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I wasn't expecting a storm outside all the way up, to let your imagination go.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So in the walking outside and it's raining example, hypothetical we would want to limit the amount of time that the rain is coming down on us so we may go back inside and pick up an umbrella that might be our way of defending against the rain.
• 3:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or maybe we don't have an umbrella near and so we carefully walk as quickly as we can from inside to Walk as quickly as we can From inside To Outside, whether that's a vehicle that's picking us up, whether that's our own vehicle, and so we like to.
• 4:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In theory, we'd like to Limit that time.
• 4:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So when bigger challenges come, I think we take a little bit of that same mindset.
• 4:41
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think we take a little bit of that same mindset.
• 4:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I think we take a little bit of that same mindset.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We want to limit and do things and talk to people who are knowledgeable, have had prior experience, and so we try to limit whatever that is, whatever that may be.
• 5:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So, from a small challenge to a large challenge, at least in the way my mind works, I try to limit.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: At least in the way my mind works, I try to limit the things that may negatively impact you or I, or a company or an organization, one of the I'm not sure if it was Tylenol, but a producer of, let's say, pain relieving products, let's say pain relieving products, and when some individuals opened those up a period of years ago, they're finding, I think, needles or they're finding something that wasn't supposed to be there.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So there was a public outcry Don't purchase these, let's not purchase from this company.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And I can only imagine they, and I can only imagine the look or just that experience of opening up that bottle, seeing something that wasn't supposed to be there, seeing something that wasn't supposed to be there.
• 7:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And so the organization that was responsible for these products, for this product, had a decision to make Did we just close our eyes and pretend nothing's going on?
• 8:08
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Or do we do something that may cost quite a bit of money to do, which is to pull every one of those products from all the shelves, and then I think they destroyed them?
• 8:40
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I'm not sure what the outcome was, but they weren't sent to where consumers were purchasing, so it could cost a lot of money to find out every single store, how many are on a shelf.
• 9:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now, where we're at in 2025, the year 2025, things are much different.
• 9:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We have so much information at our fingertips.
• 9:13
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That process would have went much smoother, much quicker, but in any event, this company decided to pull the products, issue a statement, and so they were faced with adversity.
• 9:39
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They tried to limit that adversity, limit that negativity.
• 9:44
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah, there was information and examples.
• 9:48
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They try to limit that adversity, limit that negativity.
• 9:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Oh yeah, there was information and examples of what shouldn't have been in those particular bottles.
• 9:59
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But by pulling all the inventory off of the shelves and spending the money that I can only imagine that the leaders of the organization, board directors they probably didn't want to do, because I believe this organization is a publicly traded company on the Dow or the NASDAQ, which means people buy and sell shares of stock, so people have a good feeling about what the company is doing.
• 10:49
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People would be at a better advantage to buy versus a company who sells stock.
• 11:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That they close their eyes, pretend a problem like this, a situation.
• 11:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now they can argue and stuff internally about how and why and all those things might happen.
• 11:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But first you got to issue that statement and second you need to pull that product off the shelf.
• 11:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And that ties to ethics, talks to common sense and it talks to limiting the negative press, the negative thoughts, the negative feedback.
• 12:07
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And don't get me wrong, there was negative feedback.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It didn't just end once they pulled the product off the shelf.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They pulled the product off the shelf as an organization.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You almost wonder, once all that product is pulled off and the extra quality checks of the new product going out, products going out there's that question of like oh my gosh, are they going to want to purchase our product now?
• 12:42
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Are they going to trust our?
• 12:45
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So that's a risk.
• 12:50
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But the risk was much lower and pulling the product, issuing a statement and sending product that had a more stringent quality check process before it left the warehouse or the factory and landed on shelves where you and I shop at.
• 13:24
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So we're talking about an individual situation of walking outside and it's raining all the way up to an organization losing millions of dollars because of what happened.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They would have lost many more millions and their stock price many more millions and their stock price would have went down even more.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They even bankrupted the company.
• 14:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We don't know.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's just an example of limiting the negativity.
• 14:26
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can be bold, we can share information, we can share experiences, and so we can be bold, share information, and we know, not every person, not every entity, company, organization is going to agree with all of our content, all of the guests we have on the topic, etc.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You name it.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But to sit back and close our eyes and not stand up, not stand up in the face of adversity, not to stand up in the face of challenges when they face us, not to take the easy way out.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Not to take the easy way out.
• 16:03
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now we can Right.
• 16:05
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's at least two options, two response levels, or however we want to classify and talk about it.
• 16:21
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: When, in good faith, information is shared, experiences are shared, we're either an organization that stands up for people and topic or we're not, and that's really what it comes down to.
• 16:52
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's easy to take the easy way out, it's easy to stand down.
• 17:00
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's the easy part.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: In some instances, maybe that doesn't make sense when things, when experiences, when experiences, when facts are brought from the shadows into the forefront, in front of the light.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can either be that organization that ignores, that, pretends like it doesn't exist, pretend like, well, I don't feel like it.
• 18:02
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I don't feel like I don't feel like it, I don't feel like standing up, I don't feel like being a change agent.
• 18:11
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: I mean, that's the whole point.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's the whole point, the whole idea of having a nonprofit that has mission and vision and standing for something and something Otherwise, why would any organization want to continue on if, at the first glance of people and instances and experiences that may not resonate Not only may not resonate but may not agree with that's okay, that's okay On a day-to-day basis.
• 19:28
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's so many things that I don't agree with that I watch, that I listen, communicate.
• 19:36
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But that's what makes us human beings in the greatest country on the face of the earth, united States of America, and what makes our United States of America Constitution and the First Amendment a free speech.
• 19:55
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We can agree to disagree, but we're not going to bully anybody into feeling changing thoughts and say, well, you need to come on this side, not that side.
• 20:35
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Now, if through research and that, that they decide one side versus another, it doesn't matter, because we're not the ones that are strong, arming us, we're the ones sharing information, we're following the laws that are out there, we're following the Constitution and if there's some spilled milk over us, our organization, our shows, there's something called a remote, there's something called scrolling, there's something called typing in something else to a search bar or a URL, you don't have to watch us, you don't have to listen to us, and that's your right.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: You're allowed to do that, you're allowed to make those decisions and at the same time, we're allowed to have opinion, we're allowed to talk and share under the First Amendment, free speech, especially when there's a public safety concern, because that's bigger than me, that's bigger than me, it's bigger than Voices, for Voices it's the public.
• 22:15
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: The more information that's available, the more information that's available, and so we take that from the First Amendment to public safety.
• 22:31
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: And then, lastly, mental illness.
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  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: It's real, considered classified as disability, disabilities, and so how we react to challenges, we would like to be on I say the like to be on offense the whole game, for the whole time.
• 23:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's just not feasible.
• 23:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: There's times we're on offense, there's times we're on defense, there's times we're proactive, there's times we're reactive.
• 23:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: But when challenges arise and we look in the mirror, at the end of the day and the end of the days.
• 23:29
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're staying true to ourselves, like we have and like we are.
• 23:38
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: We're following the Constitution, we're alerting others and the public and we're standing up for those with any type of disability, any type of challenge that they're working towards, whether it's mental, mental illness, like me, or something different.
• 24:17
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: People have to have to decide, but the people are allowed to decide.
• 24:27
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're allowed to decide.
• 24:30
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: They're allowed to decide, and so you can always come to the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast page on our video partners, our audio partners, and you're going to see and hear some really cool things, really cool experiences, really cool perspectives.
• 25:01
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: Some you're going to agree with and some you're not.
• 25:06
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: That's just life.
• 25:09
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you for joining us on this particular episode.
• 25:16
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• 25:58
  Voices for Voices, Justin Alan Hayes: So until next time, please be a voice for you or somebody in need.
• 26:05
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