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RHOBH: Goodbye, Kyle? · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: But I also think that every housewife, let's say I'm
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  Speaker 1: their agent, you have to sit down and say every
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  Speaker 1: year to this cast member, like, does this represent you anymore?
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  Speaker 2: How can this move the needle? What is the end goal?
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  Speaker 1: And if this is your only goal is to exist
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  Speaker 1: in this space, you shouldn't be on the show anymore
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  Speaker 1: because you're gonna lose sense of who you are and
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  Speaker 1: what your value system is. And you and I have
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  Speaker 1: seen that happen before. And the also whence you leave,
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna be completely lost. And we've seen this time
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  Speaker 1: and time again. So you have to have those conversations
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  Speaker 1: every year with somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Stay tuned.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into my conversation right after these quick ads.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos King.
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  Speaker 4: Twice a week on.
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  Speaker 3: Reality with the King, we'll sit down with my friends
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  Speaker 3: rain drops, So today's guest is someone I met I
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  Speaker 3: think two years ago, and she and I immediately.
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  Speaker 4: Hit it off. She's awesome in the podcast world.
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  Speaker 3: In my opinion, she's like the Queen of podcast because
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  Speaker 3: her podcast breaks down everything in the unscripted world, from
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  Speaker 3: docuseries to true crime, celebrity content. I love her so much.
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  Speaker 3: She's a good girl, she's a good friend. I'm talking
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  Speaker 3: about the amazing Kay.
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  Speaker 2: S Hi friend.
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  Speaker 1: Well, first of all, before we get into anything, I
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  Speaker 1: have to say that what I love most about you
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  Speaker 1: is that you are, unlike many people I think in
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  Speaker 1: the space, you are a real champion of women and
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  Speaker 1: I'm always really grateful for that. And I'm also really
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  Speaker 1: grateful for your friendship.
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  Speaker 2: And you make me laugh.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you make me laugh, and thank you for saying that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so honored that with your busy schedule, she is
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  Speaker 3: a mother, a wife, a podcast host, and she drops
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  Speaker 3: episodes almost every day. Because ms Kate has a lot
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  Speaker 3: to say and we have a lot to get into today,
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  Speaker 3: Kate Chase. So for starters, we have to kick things
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  Speaker 3: off with the Real Housewives of Atlanta reunion that take recently,
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  Speaker 3: and there's been a lot of chatter on social media
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  Speaker 3: about the seating assignment, and I've got some exclusive tea
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  Speaker 3: based on allegedly who was sitting next to Andy, and
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  Speaker 3: I need for you to die as sect why this
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  Speaker 3: seating arrangement happened the way it did.
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  Speaker 4: So let me ask you this.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know anything about this seating arrangement that's been
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  Speaker 3: the top of social media?
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  Speaker 1: No, So bring it to me, and I think I
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  Speaker 1: will have a great opinion based on what you're bringing
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  Speaker 1: to me. I'm going into this completely open.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, take a guess who you think, based on what
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  Speaker 3: we've seen so far this season, who should be sitting
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  Speaker 3: next to Andy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I would like to see Chara and Kenya, but
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he has a soft spot for Candy,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna say she most likely occupies one of
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  Speaker 1: those seats, but I think it should be Chara and Kenya.
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  Speaker 3: So here's the exclusive news that allegedly has taken place.
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  Speaker 3: You're right in terms of Charay is sitting next to Andy,
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  Speaker 3: and so is Marlowe.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I feel like that's maybe because they're either rewarding
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  Speaker 1: her for bringing it, but it also could make sense
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  Speaker 1: to me if I knew who she's sitting with on
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  Speaker 1: the other side of the couch because sometimes I feel
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  Speaker 1: like it's strategic seeding because they know it's going to
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  Speaker 1: create conversations and chaos within the filming that will make
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  Speaker 1: for great television. So who is she sitting next to?
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  Speaker 3: Allegedly next to Marlowe is Drew and Sonya oh okay,
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  Speaker 3: and next to Charay.
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  Speaker 4: Is Kenya and Candy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Candy, good night? This is your last season?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean right, So.
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  Speaker 4: Tell me why you think it's Candy's last Theson eight.
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  Speaker 1: I just I think that that's probable. I think they listen.
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  Speaker 1: It's no disrespect to the individual cast member. But there
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  Speaker 1: comes a point where I think the audience and the
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  Speaker 1: producers and the network say to themselves, the story has
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  Speaker 1: been told. And I think she's been on many seasons.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's been incredible, incredibly valuable. But I think
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  Speaker 1: her story we know it already, and I think it
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  Speaker 1: we need Moose give space for someone else to switch
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 2: And I also think she should be at a point.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm her agent, I'm like, I think that we've
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  Speaker 1: done enough here, right, and there's so many opportunities that
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  Speaker 1: she can get beyond the show and deserves to have
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  Speaker 1: beyond the show. I think that there's a point where
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  Speaker 1: you got to close the chapter. I just watched the
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  Speaker 1: docuseries and Derek Jeter he should have retired after his
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  Speaker 1: three thousand pit but he wanted to keep playing, and
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  Speaker 1: then he got injured, and then the team's pissed off
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  Speaker 1: because he got injured and he can't add any value.
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  Speaker 1: You got to know when to quit. Jerry Seinfeld quit
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  Speaker 1: at the top. I think she should walk away. She's
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  Speaker 1: done a great job on the show, and she has
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  Speaker 1: so much in her back pocket. She's going to be
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  Speaker 1: even more successful after that. So I'm our agent. I
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  Speaker 1: say I'm gone. I think that if you're at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the couch and you've been on for many,
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  Speaker 1: many seasons, that's probably a sign that they want to
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  Speaker 1: switch the show up. Have you ever seen Tamra on
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  Speaker 1: the end of the couch?
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  Speaker 2: No? Never, As you brilliantly.
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  Speaker 1: Brought up in one of your first episodes, everybody has
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  Speaker 1: to be a force multiplier, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: she did enough of that this season.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Kathy, Well, you and I are.
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  Speaker 1: Always looking through a completely different lens than other people
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  Speaker 1: because we're always thinking about, like how much story is
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  Speaker 1: going on, Like what are we learning about all the characters?
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  Speaker 1: Like is there enough there that their lives are overlapping?
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  Speaker 1: And I just I think that they need to switch
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  Speaker 1: it up. I have to say I have loved Sonya.
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  Speaker 1: I love her story. I love this beautiful couple. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, both are incredibly successful, Like I want to
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  Speaker 1: hang out with them, I want to go to a
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  Speaker 1: dinner party with them. I feel like they're on the
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  Speaker 1: cusp of really creating some incredible businesses. But I think
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  Speaker 1: that the conversation that he has with her all the
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  Speaker 1: time about wanting another child is really valuable to the
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  Speaker 1: How'swives spectrum. That is a completely relatable topic that so
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  Speaker 1: many people can relate to. And I think the problem
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  Speaker 1: is that sometimes when you have these different franchises and
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  Speaker 1: the same people have been on forever and ever and ever,
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  Speaker 1: you don't really have relatable storylines unless that audience is
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  Speaker 1: aging with you.
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  Speaker 2: And there is an audience.
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  Speaker 1: That's aging with the show, but they're also I find
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of college kids. There are a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people in their like twenties now who watch
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  Speaker 1: the show, who are fresh to the show, and that's
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  Speaker 1: what the network wants you went fresh eyeballs, right. You
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  Speaker 1: got to keep that show fresh. So if you only
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  Speaker 1: have cast members who talk about like step children and
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  Speaker 1: children and going to college, which by the way, are
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  Speaker 1: completely important conversations. But if everyone's conversation is about having
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  Speaker 1: older children, you're not going to keep the interest of
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  Speaker 1: the younger audience. So they have to have someone new
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  Speaker 1: and fresh who has relatable content. That said, I've really
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed the way that Candy and Todd have talked about
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  Speaker 1: the realities of coperenting having older children, the conversations about
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  Speaker 1: what to do with wealth. I think those are much
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  Speaker 1: better conversations than other franchises. I just had racal Gates,
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  Speaker 1: doctor rackel Gates on my show today. She's a TV professor,
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  Speaker 1: and we both agree that Atlanta does a far better
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  Speaker 1: job of tackling the issue of mothering than any other
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives franchise. So that said, I love them all,
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  Speaker 1: but I think you have to know when you got
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  Speaker 1: to go. And I think Candy, if I were an agent,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, I think i think I've done enough and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to walk away.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this is fascinating that we get to talk about
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  Speaker 3: this because what you said to me. I never looked
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  Speaker 3: at until you compared Candy's position on the Real Housewives
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  Speaker 3: of Atlanta to Derek Jeter, but also most recently, Serena
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  Speaker 3: Williams retiring.
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  Speaker 1: And what did Serena say? And what did Serena say?
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  Speaker 1: She's like, I feel like I'm being pushed into another direction.
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  Speaker 1: She's at peace with her career because she sees herself
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  Speaker 1: moving into a second chapter confidently. And I think that
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  Speaker 1: that's the best Housewives position is when you can walk
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  Speaker 1: away with confidence that you know that you can shed
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  Speaker 1: that first chapter, move into your second chapter and feel
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  Speaker 1: good about it.
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  Speaker 2: Most women don't do that. I think that she should
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  Speaker 2: do it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about Candy's position on the Royal Houspots of Atlanta.
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  Speaker 3: I never looked at it that way, but I have
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  Speaker 3: to say, you may be onto something, because when you
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  Speaker 3: are at the top of your career and there's so
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  Speaker 3: much more for you to do, it may be time
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  Speaker 3: for you to go. So let's talk about my career
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  Speaker 3: in comparison, because I really want my audience to not
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  Speaker 3: take this as a shady sound bite, but to really
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  Speaker 3: look at it as a deeper meeting in terms of
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  Speaker 3: when to hold when to fold and when it's time
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  Speaker 3: to buy all gracefully because there's other opportunities your way.
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  Speaker 3: I left The Real Housepots of Atlanta after season nine
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  Speaker 3: because I knew for me that I did the best
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  Speaker 3: I could with that show, and I wanted to leave
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  Speaker 3: the party while the party was still exclusive. It was
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  Speaker 3: still the hottest ticket in town. And I knew, as
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  Speaker 3: Carlos King, if I'm able to take the pedigree of
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  Speaker 3: telling people, hey, I left after season nine. Wait, I
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  Speaker 3: mean that season that was highly rated, the four part
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  Speaker 3: reunion where this happened, that happened. I knew if I
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  Speaker 3: could take my legacy and translate it into my career
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  Speaker 3: goals of owning my production company, being on their talent,
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't have done any of these things if I
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  Speaker 3: was still a part of that show. I could not
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  Speaker 3: have Now to your point, I look at Candy. Candy
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  Speaker 3: has so much more to do in this industry. Unlike Marlowe,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Candy is only Atlanta.
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  Speaker 4: I do think she's worldwide.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about Kate, a reality star that hosted ellen
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  Speaker 3: degenerous talk show while Ellen was gone for a couple
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  Speaker 3: of days.
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  Speaker 4: That's huge.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking about somebody who was on Big Brother before
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  Speaker 3: any other housewived was on that particular celebrity edition. Candy
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  Speaker 3: has so much more in store, and I never thought
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  Speaker 3: I would say this, Kate. I agree with you that
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  Speaker 3: this should be Candy's last season only because I think
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  Speaker 3: there's so much more for Candy to do that I
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  Speaker 3: don't think Candy is going to be able to truly
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  Speaker 3: capture this legacy that's waiting for her as long as
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  Speaker 3: she's on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Also, I think everybody can relate to this. I had
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  Speaker 1: a job that I was excellent at. I did media
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  Speaker 1: consulting for law firms. I was excellent at it, but
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  Speaker 1: at some point I wanted to do other things, and
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  Speaker 1: continuing to have that job it held me back, not
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  Speaker 1: just in time, but in your emotional capacity to really
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  Speaker 1: be good at something else. And I think it's great
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  Speaker 1: the way that they've highlighted how much she does in entertainment,
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  Speaker 1: not just in front of the camera, but behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: They talked about her Broadway production and the meeting behind
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  Speaker 1: it and giving.
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  Speaker 2: Voice to black men.
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  Speaker 1: If you think about her, not the time that it
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  Speaker 1: takes for her to film this show, If you eliminate
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  Speaker 1: that all the other things that she can do within
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  Speaker 1: business and entertainment that are going to far surpass her
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  Speaker 1: being on Justice Show.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing we know about Candy, she doesn't even money.
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  Speaker 3: She's very wealthy, so the money should not be a
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  Speaker 3: factor in her decision to stay.
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  Speaker 1: Like she could start a network, That's what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 1: Like she, I could see her so many running a network.
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  Speaker 4: I could not agree with you more, Kate.
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  Speaker 3: There's so much more in store for Candy to achieve.
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  Speaker 3: And as someone who left that machine and look at
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  Speaker 3: my life now, I'm the happiest I've been. I've accomplished
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  Speaker 3: so much, I have so much more to accomplish. I
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  Speaker 3: would like for Candy's team, like you suggested, Kate, to
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  Speaker 3: look at her and say, let's leave while you're still hot,
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  Speaker 3: and let's get you a talk show. Let's get you
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  Speaker 3: on your own streaming network. Let you and Todd build
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  Speaker 3: this empire. Let's move you to New York for two
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  Speaker 3: months to create a stage play on Broadway. Let's have
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  Speaker 3: you start in more films and movies that you've been
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  Speaker 3: doing but as a supporting character only because your schedule
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  Speaker 3: as a full time housewife is so demanding.
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  Speaker 1: But also think that every housewife, let's say I'm their agent.
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  Speaker 1: You've just sit down and say every year to this
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  Speaker 1: cast member, like, does this represent you anymore? How can
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  Speaker 1: this move the needle? What is the end goal? And
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  Speaker 1: if this is your only goal is to exist in
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  Speaker 1: this space, you shouldn't be on the show anymore because
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna lose sense of who you are and what
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  Speaker 1: your value system is. And you and I have seen
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  Speaker 1: that happen before. And also once you leave, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: be completely lost, and we've seen this time and time again.
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  Speaker 1: So you have to have those conversations every year with
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  Speaker 1: somebody no.
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  Speaker 3: And one thing I know about you, You remind me
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  Speaker 3: of Dave Quinn in the sense of you're like the
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  Speaker 3: ghost producer of Housewives.
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  Speaker 4: I know you've never given that credit for it.
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  Speaker 3: So we just talked about how you have to know
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  Speaker 3: as a housewife when it's time for you to leave
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  Speaker 3: the nest. And sometimes a lot of housewives stay because
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  Speaker 3: they don't have any identity outside of that franchise. And
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  Speaker 3: one thing I know about you, Kate, you live in
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  Speaker 3: the OC. You are friends with almost, if not all,
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  Speaker 3: some majority of the past and present cast members of
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  Speaker 3: the Real Housewives of OC. I listened to your conversation
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  Speaker 3: with Bronwyn because of your interview with Broadwin. I created
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  Speaker 3: a show based upon people who aren't capable of separating
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  Speaker 3: their reality from other real things. I'm not gonna give
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  Speaker 3: too much away, guys, but your interview with Broadwyn was
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  Speaker 3: so deep because Brown said, and I'm paraphrasing, that she
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  Speaker 3: felt like a failure after she got fired from Housewives
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  Speaker 3: and she misses the cameras, and she said something so poignant.
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  Speaker 3: She said, Kate, I don't know who I am without
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  Speaker 3: cameras in my face and without being a housewife, who
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  Speaker 3: am I I'm lost.
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  Speaker 1: I think that this is the luxury of really knowing
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  Speaker 1: these women off the show, and I feel like they
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  Speaker 1: know that I'm there for them and they feel safe
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  Speaker 1: with me. I have so many conversations about the film,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the toll that it's going to take, and
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  Speaker 1: before they start the show or while they're on the show,
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  Speaker 1: that when they're in the space of my show, they
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  Speaker 1: know I'm going to take care of them because in
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  Speaker 1: the end, I want their voices to be heard. But
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  Speaker 1: oftentimes I think with the people that I've known, you're
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  Speaker 1: really privy to a conversation between two of us. These
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  Speaker 1: are the same conversations I have with Bronwyn off camera.
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  Speaker 1: So she struggled because she was and this is very
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  Speaker 1: similar to a lot of women that are on The
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  Speaker 1: Real Housewives, is that she was never a working person.
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  Speaker 1: She met her husband very young and wanted to have children.
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  Speaker 1: So once you start raising children, anybody with children knows
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  Speaker 1: this that it's very easy to get lost in the
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  Speaker 1: schedule of your children and to forget about who you
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  Speaker 1: are and what's.
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  Speaker 2: Important to you.
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  Speaker 1: So she gets this show and she suddenly has a job,
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  Speaker 1: she's accountable to people, she's showing up, she has people
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  Speaker 1: telling her behind the camera, you are an important person.
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  Speaker 1: You have been a really interesting story. And then the
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  Speaker 1: show airs and she has strangers telling her I'm really
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  Speaker 1: inspired by She's, for the first time in her life
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  Speaker 1: having a job where she's held accountable and.
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  Speaker 2: She feels good about it. She feels self worth, she feels.
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  Speaker 1: Independence, and she feels acknowledgment from others. And then she
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  Speaker 1: lives in that space while it's chaotic. She would be
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  Speaker 1: the first to tell you she's adhd So she thrives
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  Speaker 1: on chaos. So think of somebody who has ADHD. They
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  Speaker 1: thrive in a chaotic environment, they're stimulated by it. Then
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  Speaker 1: the cameras leave and it's quiet. So you're unsettled for
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  Speaker 1: many the layers. You are battling sobriety, you're battling conversations
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  Speaker 1: with your spouse about your sexuality, and most significantly, her
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  Speaker 1: brain is battling the quiet now that comes with everyone leaving,
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  Speaker 1: the cameras, the audience, everything, And so she's stuck in
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  Speaker 1: that space of like, I loved who I was when
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  Speaker 1: I was on a show, and now it's gone, and
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  Speaker 1: I have to not only figure out who I am
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  Speaker 1: as a person, but I'm still responsible for seven children.
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  Speaker 1: So of course that's going to be a That's something
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  Speaker 1: that someone would unwind in therapy for years. And so
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  Speaker 1: she was just bold enough to say it because most
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  Speaker 1: of these women are suffering through similar ways, but they're
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  Speaker 1: afraid to say it because by saying it, they feel
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  Speaker 1: like they're going to look weak, that they're not going
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  Speaker 1: to have other opportunities, that people are going to judge
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  Speaker 1: them because they've been this television persona, and to let
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: go of that television persona, it's almost like shackles to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: them because they're like waiting for a call for Brown,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: when she was waiting for a call from the network
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: to say we want you back. And then it's like
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: these stages of grieving because then she's like, well, they
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: might call me back, but I'm angry at them. It's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: like a bad breakup, you know, like fuck them, like
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I don't need them. But then she's like, but I
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: think I do need them. And it's like, you have
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to exist as a person me on the show because
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: this is eating you alive. You need it more than
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you should. It's like a bad boyfriend. So I think
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: she was just unraveling that and saying that. But as
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: you remember in the interview, she said like, what I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: have nothing now, And I was like, I'm not going
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: to let you have that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: She was so self deprecating, and not in a humble way,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: but in a very sad way. It touched me so
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: much because this is a mother, and because she was
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: on a show for only two seasons, she felt worthless
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: without that show, and I'm like, but you're a mom.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: You have seven kids who look after and it goes
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to show you the psychology that goes into what is
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: meaningful for someone to be on TV.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: And one thing I can say to.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: You that I'm pretty sure you'll agree with me on
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I've been a part of this housewives world for almost
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: a decade, and one thing I know, based on people
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: who either left or got fired or are still on
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: these shows, they don't believe there's life after Bravo.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: They don't.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I have so many conversations about you're going to be okay,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't even believe it.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: It's to the point where nine times out of ten,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: when a housewife or reality start gets fired from their show,
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: they call.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Me, Yeah, I believe it, and they call me.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: To create a show about them, or they call me
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: to help them with another show because they don't feel
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: like they have any work without cameras. And the one
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: thing I say to these women, and I'm not being
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: funny when I say this, they DM me, they reach
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: out to a friend of a friend, they start following
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: me on Instagram, which I'm like, okay, I know where
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: this is about to go.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: They feel like.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Without these cameras, I'm nothing. And the one thing I
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: say to these either former housewives or former reality TV stars,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: is do yourself a favor and take the year off
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: to really just find out who you are and what
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: you want, because maybe it's not meant for you to
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: hop on another reality show. Maybe it's meant for you
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to sit back and figure out other avenues in this business.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: And the difference between Monique Samuel, because I know people
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: are thinking about her now, I actually reach out to her.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So that was the difference in this case. I reach
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: out to her and she was reluctant. But oftentimes it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: them reaching out to me, and I feel bad for
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: them because they really feel like if I don't have
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: cameras in my face, I don't have a life.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Here's the other part of it that's like frustrating to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: kind of explain to other people is that I don't
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: know if it's the people in their orbit. They don't
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: have enough people that are explaining to them the reality
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of like what this specific television opportunity looks like.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Once you leave. It is really difficult.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: To be in the entertainment industry, to have any job
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, and you've been in this very
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: specific role and it's a reality role where it's about
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you and your specific life. They all kind of start
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: to drink the kool aid, and they think I have
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: infinite opportunities.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Very few have all those opportunities, very few. So they leave.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, this housewife who never
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: had a job before, who's a quirky personality, suddenly thinks
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that they should be the host of shows, they should
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: be an actress, they should do all these other things
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that people who studied it, like Julliard can't even get jobs.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: And because of it, then they beat themselves up about it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: So it's like a disconnect with reality.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: We'll be right back after some quick ads.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: When we think about this upcoming season of the Real
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Housewives of Orange County, our mutual friend Tamar Judge is
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: back on the show, which I.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Think is great.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: Taylor Armstrong is a friend to the show Kate as
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: someone who lives in the OC and knows this world
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: more than me and my listeners combine, how do you
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: feel about Tamar and Taylor's placement on this upcoming season
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: of the OC and do you think these two can
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: make OC great again?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: There are two parts to this. I understand why they
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: brought Tamra back. She is a force multiplayer, and obviously
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: they want to connect the storylines of Heather Dubrow and Shannon.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: There was something missing last season, and Shannon needs to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: acknowledge why she cut off Tamra, like we need the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: audience needs that, like we need to see that play out,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and we need to see how their friendship exists at
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: this point in time. So I think they needed to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: bring her back to make all those storylines work. I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: still feel like that show misses the mark what really
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: OC is. So that's the second part to this and
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to your question, No, I don't think Taylor Armstrong makes
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: any sense in this at all in any way possible.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I don't get it. It's very two thousand and three.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure she's a very lovely woman, but I'm just
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: saying for me to look at this as storytelling, it
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense for me.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: This is what OC is.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: OC is actually a very diverse county. They just tend
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to talk about two coastal cities, Newport Beach and Laguna Beach,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: which are not very diverse. So I'm always just like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: how do you cast a show and not have that
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: much diversity when it really is like the Asian community, huge, Persian, Indian, Syrian,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Like there's so many kinds of communities, but we keep
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: getting the same woman who has hair extensions, Like why
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the other thing they missed the mark on And I
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: don't know if you could figure this out unless you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: live there. I'm originally from Philadelphia and then moved to DC,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and then I went to LA and then I went
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: to Orange County. I'm an outsider still. That is the
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: story they miss on. That is that OC is a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: near impossible place to penetrate socially. The people who lived
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: there grew up there and they went to USC or
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they went to a specifically, they went to University of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: San Diego. They only stay friends with that group up
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: until the time they retire and they get old. They
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: stay hang out with the same group of ten people
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: all the time. So there's this fish out of water
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: story that they've missed every single season, is that there
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: are people like myself who move there, and yes, it's
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: helpful when you have children, but they're never going to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: accept you. You're never going to be invited on trips,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: You're never going to be invited over like I'm in
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: New Jersey at my sister's house. People househop you're invited,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: you're out of town. You're invited over. That does not
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: exist in OC. The only time that people get together
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: really is if they go to a restaurant, if they
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: go out as a group. They're going to go on
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a trip to Palm Springs. You'll see ten couples. They're
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: all wearing matching truck hats that say like yacht rock
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: on it or something like. It is a place that
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: it's all about the herd mentality there. There's this pressure
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of do you have the right car, the right bag.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: The New Yorkers are about setting the trend. Orange County
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: is the paranoia about not being part of the trend
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: so that I never get I'm like, I live here,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I see this every day and they keep missing that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I want to.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: See that story play out, Like how can someone penetrate
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a social scene when they're an outsider? Instead, it feels
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: very disjointed to me. You have like in no and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: we've talked about this, In no world would Heather du
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Bro hang out with Gene now? And how does Emily
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: in this group? Like they're all it's too just joint jointed.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: It's like this too. They all live in such different
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: areas of OC. It would be like having real Housewives
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: of New York and there's one from Staten Island, one
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: from Manhattan, one from the Bronx, and one from Brooklyn.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: New Yorkers would go like these people would never hang
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: out Like how you're if you live in Staten Island,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: You're not going to Manhattan. You would never hang out
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: with someone in Bronx. It makes no sense. That is
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: what Orange County is like.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Kay, you are dropping so much interesting information for my
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: listeners because I never even thought of that, the comparison
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: between the districts in OC to the districts in New
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: York City because I used to.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: Live in New York, So you see what I mean.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no one from Staten Island is hanging out like
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: a Bronx person, and no one from Manhattan is hanging
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: out with anybody who lives like in Long Island.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Like it's not happening.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: A woman who lives in a townhouse in Codo de
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Caza going through a divorce has a completely different life
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: than a woman who lives in Crystal Cove at the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: top of the top of the hill with children who
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: go to private schools in It's like South County with
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: a husband whose businesses in Newport Beach. Those two lives
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: will never intersect. If they do intersect, it's like surface conversations.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: And then add to that the component of OC being
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a very snobby, clique county. It makes no sense.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: So when you say Taylor doesn't make any sense, is
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: that what you're talking about? Because what part of the
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: OC does Taylor live?
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: And do you know?
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: I have no idea. I don't know where she lives.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: She has a fifteen year old daughter, She lived in
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, she moves to o C. No one seems
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to hang out with her unless it's like at a
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Bravocon event. How is she important to this friend group?
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: And what does her story tell you about OC? Like
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: she lived in Beverly Hills, but she doesn't have a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: close group of friends that we're ever going to get
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: access to that live in OC. It's not telling the story.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Like remember when we were talking about real of Salt
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Lake City. You were like, you could call it real
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: houseways a tempion, It wouldn't make any difference. The show
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: has to be about what that city is, and it doesn't.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I'm screaming all the time because I'm like, I live here.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I know how these people are Also, all the neighborhoods
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: are different. So like where over where I live is
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: like surf moms who like wear surf clothes, and that's
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: like a mile and a half away from Shannon's neighborhood,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: which is like suburban mom. Now, I'll tell you what
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the show really needs to be is the Real Housewives
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: of the Port Streets, which is where Shannon and Kelly
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: and they all live. And I'm not saying like I'm
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: not breaking privacy laws, like I think everyone knows that
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: that's where they live.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: The Port Streets would be the perfect Real Houses of
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Orange County show. And here's why.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: It's this neighborhood that exists in the middle of Newport
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Beach and there's an elementary school in the middle of
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood. And the people that live there never leave
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood. If I have a friend that moves there,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll see you in four years. They all
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: socialize together, they're always together, and they're all these different
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: social dynamics that are interesting. So people say, Kate, if
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you move there, like you get sucked out it, and
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: I'll say no, I'm like, I'll go under the radar.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: And they're like, no, no, no, no, one goes under
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: the radar. You move there and you get sucked in.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: That should be the real housews of Orange County, the
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Port Street Show.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: And that is the reason why the Golden Days of
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the OC worked because, like you said, it was these
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: real friendships in these real neighborhoods where they sort of
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: live close to each other.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Coto de Caza that is like the Port Streets. It's
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: like this neighborhood, so all their lives are overlapping. Now
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: it's just like the Staten Island Bronx Manhattan Show.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: And that's why it's not working. So because now they
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: decided to get rid of doctor Jen, who I know
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: is a friend of yours, and I believe you referred
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: doctor Jen correct.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I think that she had already maybe was
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: on their radar. But one of the producers I kept saying,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you got to look at her because I've known them
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: for a decade and her husband is wonderful. I mean,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: they're just so disjointed within their marriage. But I thought
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: that was a modern story of like she's working all
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the time and he's the stay at home hot dad.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: At the school, they used to go to before they
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: came to ours. He would get written up. They would
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: complain because he would.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Never wear a shirt to school.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: It was like a Christian school, and they would like
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: he'd be dropping their kids off, and he's so oblivious.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: He's so sweet, so oblivious.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: In like kind of like low cut, like running shorts
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: with like muscles, and women are just like staring at him,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: like like he was the hot husband and he's oblivious
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to it. There's just so many layers. I'm like, these
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: two are just whacka do hilarious.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: They never tapped into that.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Never there are women that are like, oh my god,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I get text all the time like, oh my god,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I just saw Ryan at basketball tryouts. He's so hot
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and now for me, he's like my brother. So I'm
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: just like laughing about it. But there's that component. And
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: then she's oblivious to stuff too, like since she works
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: all the time, she's oblivious to stuff.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: And then she'll come to me and she'll complain. She's like,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I'm just.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So mad at Ryan, Like he gets to go to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the tennis matches and like he gets to see all
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: of that, and like you can too, if you let
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: him work more and you work less, and she's like, no.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: I want to work. I'm like, we have to compromise.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: So it's like.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: They're always arguing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And I just felt like a lot of people could
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: relate to that, that that's a modern story. Like a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: lot of men now are the stay at home dads? Listen,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: there are many stories that I'm surprised they have not
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: covered in all these seasons of twenty years of housewives,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: stay at home dads didn't seem to be covered that much.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Health issues don't seem to me to be covered as
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: much as I would think. You have one hundred and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: fifty plus housewives, I can't believe only three of them
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: have had an eating disorder. I can't believe very few
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of them have had paranoia about like mimmographies, about having ovariensists, about.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Relatives that have.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Alzheimer's, like the health component. I'm surprised they never kind
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: of cover that stuff.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just always.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Look at it like I feel like I'm a cultural anthropologist,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: so I'm thinking of like, are these modern stories are
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: these people that I know? Are they talking about real issues,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: real people? And I feel like over the years sometimes
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: it gets away from that because it becomes about the
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: dinner party and survivor and alliances. And I think in
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: order to be really successful and to keep people engaged,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: there has to be storytelling that's relatable.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: When I stepped up on the Real Hospitals of Atlanta
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: as the showrunner slash executive producer, it was a mandate
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: for me because I'm like you, I never called myself this,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: but I love how you said it a cultural anthropologist,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, that's what it is. I told Candy, Fedra, Nini,
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Kenya Portia it was mandatory that we talk about real
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: life issues. And it's no secret that season six of
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: that show was the highest rated because I said, listen,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: we can easily throw shade and read each other and
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: all that stuff, but people want to know the truth.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: They want to know the truth between.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Phase and Apollo, Candy and To's relationship, how your mother
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: could be overbearing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Nini and Greg being remarried, are they still in the
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: honeymoon stage?
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Kenya dealing with being a single woman who wants a kid,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: but she is trying to survive these friendship where people
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: think she flirts with her husbands.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: It was like stuff that I knew A large group of.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: People could relate to and what I do feel like
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: what's happening now.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I feel like Beverly.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: Hills is having not a so great season because we're
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: not talking about anything real. And these past two episodes, Kate,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: we had Lisa Renna put on a performance of a
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: lifetime and I was so taken aback because I'm like,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: we're used to you sort of acting out in a
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: playful way and you're in on the joke. But these
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: loud outbursts directed towards Sutton is so boring, lazy immature
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: that is not making me want to watch the rest
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: of the season because it's not real, like you're you're
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: You're having these outbursts across the dinner table where Melissa
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Etherich is seeing you guys a song that she cleared
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: for Bravo. And last but not least you, I'm really
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: interested in following your story about your mom passing, like
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: I really we as the audience, Kate, love Lois. It
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: makes you rest in peace. I would love to see
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: conversations with you, with your daughters, totally with you, you too,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: all I.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Have, your grandma is gone.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I would love to see you and Harry fuck the
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: spaghetti sauce.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: I want to see you and Harry have a.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Real conversation about your place in Hollywood.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Are you a has been actress?
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: What does it mean right now that your husband he
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: still is booking gigs and Lisa Rena, you can't book
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: a gig to save your life. I wanted to understand
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: that relationship. Also, I would have really preferred to see
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Eileen Davidson and Lisa Renna talk about the trajector.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Of the career. Where Eileen won.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: An Emmy her first season on Billy Hills, she won
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: an Emmy for acting on Days of Our Lives, whereas
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Lisa Renna's career like she's unbookable in terms of being
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: an actress.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to what we were saying, is
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that the show really has to be about the city.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: The city is Beverly Hills, that's the court, like the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: center of the West Coast entertainment business. So the fact
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: that to your point, we're not having those conversations that
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: you've been married for I don't know how many years,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: thirty years or something. You're both working, but your husband's
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: booking scripted projects that you probably still want to get
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: but don't get them. It's sorry if it's meta, but
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: you're not getting them because you're an unscripted television star.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Now that should be discussed. We should talk about how
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: your daughters are now in their early twenties in a
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: vicious entertainment industry. How do you protect them, how do
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: you support them, how does your husband support them? None
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of those things are happening. That is central to the
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: core of the people who live in that city and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: the dynamics of living in that city. That is why
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: the show is not as great anymore. That's why we
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: do like to watch Erica because that is a story
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that's very rich in Beverly Hills, the rise and fall
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: of somebody who has money and power and access. That's
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: why we watch that because that is what happens in
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a city like that. It's not going to happen in Topeka.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It's not going to happen in Minneapolis. That's happening there.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: So that's why we watch for Erica. We do still
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: kind of watch for Kyle because her sister's on the show,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: and they were both like or she was a child actress,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: and they have been in the industry since they were younger.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: So I think people watch because they find that fascinating.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: How can you be a child actor and continue to
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: be in the industry and all the ancillary people that
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: they know because they've lived there for so long, So
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: you're anticipating, like what friend of theirs is going to
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: walk through the door that Kathy knows all of these
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: people because of society circles and because our husband's in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: real estate. Like, I think people are kind of interested
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: still for that reason, although I don't know if I
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: get as much layers to who Kyle is because of it,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: Like I want to know more about Kathy and Kyle's
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: mom and because of her role in their life, how
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: do they live in their own marriages, how do they
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: live as how do they parent their children?
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Because of Big Kathy that is.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Missing from the show. I need all of that too.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: So again it goes back to who are the women
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that exist in the city, What is that the city
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: built around? And are we getting realistic stories from there?
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: We all know Beverly Hills is this franchise that people
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: love to hate, but it's also the highest rted so
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: far of all these cities, and it's so like the
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: fan favorite Erica Jane. Last season was super fascinating because
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: of everything you said. We watched these true crime documentaries.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: We watch American Greed on CNBC that's been on for
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: twenty years, because there is something fascinating about this wealthy
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: guy who who allegedly did something as chievous and his
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: bombshell wife is at the intersect of all of this.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: And to see Erica Jane for her first couple of
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: years on the show flauned this lifestyle that we were
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: all envious, like work, bitch, oh my gosh, like yes,
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: and to see that all crumbling down because at the
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: end of the day, is human nature to build someone
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: up just to tear them down. And that's why it's
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: no secret that last season was an excellent season. I
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: loved Sutton last season because Sutton represented a nine h
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: two one oh housewife who's like, I don't know if
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I'm able to rub elbows with you because that could
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: affect my social circle and status in this town. And
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: now you're poisoned, and that, to me should have been
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: the story, which is why I think Eric has said whatever,
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: miss small town, you shut up.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Also, another layer to it is a little bit similar
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: to OC. If you're not in the entertainment industry. No
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: one gives a shit about you. If you're in the
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, they're looking past your shoulder to see who's
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: much more interesting in the door, you know, So think
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: about somebody who's just the housewife of someone in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: financial service industry living in an entertainment town. That is
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: why Sutton was a good cast, because it's a fish
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: out of the water story. She wants to be included
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: in all of this. But if you're not in the
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: entertainment industry, there's a level to which you can't really penetrate.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So she becomes a television personality, which, by the way,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: people who are actresses to me all the time they're like,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I can't believe this bit is like got this big
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: following and is being interviewed for like entertainment shows, and
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'm like a working actress.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So there's that too.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: It's like people now hate her because first of all,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: she didn't work in the entertainment industry. She's got a
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: ton of money, she's got a quirky personality, and also
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: she's getting the privileges of now being a TV personality
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: with no background in entertainment at all. So that they're
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: not cracking open, Like, Lisa, do you hate Sutton because
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: she has all of these attention and Instagram followers when
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: you've actually been working your way up in the entertainment
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: industry for twenty years? Like can we talk about that?
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: You're like how many times have we heard on watch
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: What Happens Live? Like Lisa said, well, I was actually
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: invited to have that opportunity to be interviewed by Maren
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Morris on the Tonight show, but I couldn't do it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: So then they asked she wanted to make sure that
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: even though Sutton was interviewed, that she was the first pick.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It's a Beverly Hills story. Why is that person chosen?
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a background, She's just the TV personality
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: I actually worked. I've been on all these shows, so
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: that's the kind of stuff. I'm just looking for all
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: those layers.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: And that's the reason why the Ultimate Girls tran franchise
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: work is because they were allowed to break the fourth
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: wall and to really talk about what it was like
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: being on the show.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: And I think.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Because the Real Housewives which listen Bravo punattended to the executives,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: the creators who built that franchise because it's not easy
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: to build one that is synonymous with reality television.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: But that's the reason why I think.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: A lot of people aren't into it as much as
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: they used to be, because it's sort of like, we
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: need to break the fourth wall in order for this
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: to make sense. We need to talk about again, like
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: what Lisa Rena's going through. What you said with sun.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: I never looked at it that way, but that is
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: so fascinating. It reminds me of Atlanta. I said, marlow
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and Kenya have this odd friendship because Marlowe wants Kenya's
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: approval that she deserved a peach, And I think this
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: season on Atlanta could have been so much better if
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Marlowe was allowed to say I now have a peach,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and it has affected my relationship with these women for
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: the past ten years that I built.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I just have to say this for Atlanta, I've always
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: thought the two most poignant moments have been one when
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Ninni is in the car. We've talked about it before
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and she sees her real father for the first time
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: and realizes he looks just like her son, and it
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: was like. The other one is when Kenya opens up
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: about being rejected by her birth mother. I mean, holy shit.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: So don't you think that a lot of the Kenya
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Marlowe issues have to do with the deep seated issues
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: of their childhood. Yeah, Marlow's rejected by her real mother,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: She's got to go through foster care, finally gets accepted
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: by someone. Kenya was rejected by her mother. There are
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: two women that have such similarities but hold back from
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: one another for the same reasons that they have. You know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: they have the same emotional problems at the core, and
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: it's like, as a viewer, you're like, oh my god,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: you could be the best of friends if you could
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: figure that out, but you can't. And I completely get
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: why they're both at other sides of the table.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: And that's the reason why you need a producer who
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: is invested in the show, in the storylines and not
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: doing the low hanging thruit and having an argument like
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: you han't kill deeper guys.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Respect those women. Yeah, those women are complete, complicated, interesting,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: phenomenal women, and you would do a much better service
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: to them if you explored how their complicated lives overlap
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: versus these stupid fights that bugs me, Oh.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: It bugs me.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: On Atlanta. It bugs me on Beverly Hills. That's why
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: when Lisa, Renna, and Sutton had that argument at the
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Reais party across the table that Kyle, who's the ghost producer,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: set up, because they all feel like, okay, guys, we're
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: at dinner.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: We have to argue.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: That's the reason why it just doesn't work, because we
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: want deeper conversations, we want significant moments, we want something
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: that you can cut your teeth into. So my hope
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: is that if you are a reality TV star or
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: producer listening now, you have to work over time in
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: order to really feel comfortable giving deep moments and don't
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: feel like a scene is great because two women are
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: yelling at each other. It's only great when the yelling
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: moments is because of something significant that happen in their
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: friendships and their relationships.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I think Kyle should go I think she should just
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: go out now. She's the top of her game, like
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: she's done a great job all these seasons. Her family
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: has a Netflix spin off. I mean, you're going to
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: go to like from Bravo audience to like million subscribers
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: on Netflix. She's going to go into a whole new stratosphere. Now,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: what reason does she have to be on the show anymore?
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: You know, that's like going from eating M and ms
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: to like eating a giant sized chocolate bar, Like why
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: would you stay? Like, I think she's done enough, She's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: done a great job. Go out with the bank, Go out,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Derek Jeter after the three thousand pit. Stop playing. You
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: don't need to play anymore. Enjoy the Netflix show with
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: your family.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: What's interesting is the episode a week ago or two
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: weeks ago where Kyle had COVID and she wasn't in
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the episode at all. Yeah, and Kate, it was a
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: boring episode, and I'm like, it's because the first multiplier,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Kyle isn't there. So listen, while I agree with you
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: that Kyle and Candy should go off because there's going
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: to be much more waiting for them.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: But that's not their problem. They should not have to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: stay on a show because they make the show. That's
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: not their problem, not someone else's problem. She should have
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the ability to go, Like, think of all the awesome
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: things Kyle Richards can do if she is not beholden
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: to that show, Like she's really smart, she could come
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: up with some really fantastic new shows. Business opportunities, like
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: she could put much more into all the other ancillary
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: businesses that she works on. It's not her problem that
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: they need her, that's their problem. Why are you going
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to stay at a job just because.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: They need you?
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Stayed a job because you like it, It fulfills you,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you get a lot from it. I'm not saying that
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: she feels that way. I just feel like, go out
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: with a bang. Go out with the bang. You don't
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: need to stay.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Shad, Candy and Kyle leave their respective shows right now
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: while they're on a high in order to achieve so
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: much greater success that is a waiting on them. Let
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: us know, tweet us and make sure you hashtag reality
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: with the King.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: We talked about Candy and Kyle. So let's go to
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: New Jersey.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Obviously, the first multiply you New Jersey is Teresa Judais.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Is it time for Teresa to go? Kate?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I think she should stay because I just don't know
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: what she could do outside of this show. I don't
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: think she's dynamic enough to have other things. I think
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the core of that show is the fact that these
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: in laws despise each other and the other women are
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: like houseplants in the corners that need.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: To be watered.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: It's just really about two Italian in laws that fucking
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: hate each other, and I like it. So she should
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: stay because I don't know what else is she going
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: to do. She's like a true television personality. I don't
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: know what she could do outside of the show.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, fabulous, Okay, the Real Housewives of Orange County. Is
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: it time for Shannon and or Heather to go?
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Heather doesn't need the show. She can go, you know,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: there's plenty. I don't know what Shannon.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Could do outside of it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: I think she should probably just have a really great
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: season where she's really open about I've got a daughter
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: that left for school, and I'm starting to panic because
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: my twins are almost grown up, and the conversation that
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: I have not heard in a housewives Correct me if
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. If you have been the stay at home
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: mom and your children are now of the age where
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: they're going to leave home, and you've been reliant on
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the money that came from your marriage and for paying
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: for child support, and suddenly you're at a point where
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you're in your fifties and you're like, I've got to
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: get a real job and make some income because that
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: money is drying out. That's important. She should talk about
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: that this season. That is really important. And finding out
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: who you are that's a whole that's important too. But like,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: where's that conversation of like money that drives up in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: your fifties and you have to go out and find
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a job and maintain a lifestyle that you're accustomed to.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: That should be her story. If she does it, well,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: go out with a bang.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: And last, but not least, the Real Housewives in New
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: York City. Obviously we have a legacy edition, but do
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: you still fail? For example, bet Any lap And has
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: done a lot of great stuff with her charity and
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: now she's on a brand new show on CNBC co
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: hosting with Mister Wonderful from Shark Tank. Is it time
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: for Ramona, Sonya, Lwin or Dernda to go?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: All four?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I think their story, I know who they are, I
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: know their stories. I don't know if there's much there left.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: That's not to say they're not dynamic, interesting women. I'm
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: just saying, for the sake of television, if you're the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: plight of that producer is like, what's the next layer
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: to this? And I don't know if there are much
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: layers left to tell unless someone is, like, you know,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: Derenda's like, I'm going to go out and I'm going
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: to start dating again, and I'm having a really difficult
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: time because I'm still clinging to the marriage that i
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: had with Richard. And I mean, it's completely relatable that
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: she would date a douchebag like John because you want
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: something that's not serious because it was such a horre
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: like horrible loss to her Richard, Right, So maybe if
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: it's like her dating, maybe there's something there.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Ramona, there's nothing left.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I know that woman. I know her story. I mean,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: take away what you like or don't like about somebody.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: For me, it's about the story.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Like if she showed up to your.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Dinner party, you're not gonna have an interesting conversation because
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: you already know everything about her. I already know a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: thing about lu Anne. I'm like, I need some new,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: fresh story tells. Also for New York, I don't know
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: if those women tell a modern New York story anymore.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: No, I agree with that. Definitely agree with you.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And also COVID post COVID, New York is a very
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: different city than it was fifteen years ago. So you
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: can't tell the same story. You can't tell the same
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: story with the women. You can't tell the same story
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: about that city.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Kate, I can talk to you all day. I gotta
• 50:48
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• 50:52
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• 50:55
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• 50:59
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