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Wisdom for Our Time: Discipleship and Spiritual Growth · Chatting with The Experts with Paula Okonneh

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  Hello everyone and welcome to yet another episode of Chatting with the Experts
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  where I, Paula Okonneh, the host, speak mainly with women from Africa, from
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  the Caribbean, and in the diaspora.
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  On some occasions I make exceptions, and today is one of those days.
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  My guest today is a man.
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  I'll tell you a bit about him.
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  Reverend Emmanuel is a married man who is a pastor.
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  He's a teacher, and he's also an entrepreneur.
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  He is a teacher by the grace and the spirit of understanding
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  that rests upon him.
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  He heads a church in Ghana of about a hundred people, and he also runs
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  a residential discipleship school that's not just a Bible school.
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  But a Bible school and more because there's practical life
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  training that goes on there.
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  Our title of this show is Wisdom for Our Times, and he says The Great Omission
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  in the Great Commission is Discipleship.
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  And so with that, I welcome Reverend Emmanuel Anatsui to
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  Chatting with the Experts.
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  Hi Paula.
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  Hello.
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  I'm always so blessed when I have a man come on the show because that adds variety
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  and makes things a bit different and...
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  Mm-hmm.
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  What is even blessing me even more is the title for the show Wisdom for Our Time.
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  Yes.
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  So let's talk a little bit about that, because I love this.
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  The Great Omission in the Great Commission is Discipleship.
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  What do you mean by that?
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  Well, yes.
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  Today, as we all would admit, we are surrounded with so many problems,
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  both socially and spiritually.
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  Yeah.
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  And I believe that I think I'll quote, is it Mike Murdock who says that?
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  All the world's problem is a wisdom problem.
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  And so once you get the wisdom about it, the problem gets solved.
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  And so I believe that with all the problems that we are seeing around us, it
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  is all because we lack a wisdom and so I believe what we are going to be talking
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  and receiving today is setting keys that will help us so we stone for the times we
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  leaving so that we can actually be able to address some of the things that seemingly
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  we are not finding our way around.
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  So that is what the title is all about.
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  Wisdom For Our Times.
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  I love it.
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  I love it.
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  So now we talk about wisdom for our times, but people,
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  'cause we are all human beings.
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  We are dealing with social problems and as Christians we know we wrestle
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  not against flesh and blood, so we are also dealing with spiritual problems.
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  How does wisdom, godly wisdom come into that?
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  How do you go about that?
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  Well, Paula clearly we know that we are not accidents, that we didn't
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  bring ourselves on this earth.
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  There is a designer, God, who created us and send us all
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  individually here for a purpose.
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  And God is so good that he didn't just send it as here like any
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  manufacturer, he accompanied or added also the manual, the operation manual.
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  So what God did for us is that He gave us His word, which is the
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  Bible, which contains the wisdom for how to live the life we live here.
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  However, unfortunately we have set that aside and we are using worldly wisdom.
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  Yeah.
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  Actually, scripture makes us to understand that there are two kinds of wisdom.
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  There's a wisdom from above and there's a wisdom that is earthly.
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  Yeah.
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  So what is really happening is that we have leaned more on the worldly
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  wisdom and not use God's wisdom.
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  And that is why we find ourselves where we are.
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  Yeah, that's throwing some light onto it.
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  So with that in mind, from what I'm hearing is that there's a poor
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  understanding of the times we live in.
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  I mean, we can be aware of the time, but if you don't even understand
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  the times you're living in, then you sometimes you're not prepared.
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  Right?
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  Yes.
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  I mean, there's a scripture in the word of God.
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  I think it's in 1 Chronicles chapter 12 verse 32.
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  He talks about the tribe of Issachar who understood the times
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  and also what Israel ought to do.
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  And because of this ability that they have, all the other
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  tribes were subject to them.
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  And so really I believe that, I mean we, we all agree that times comes and times
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  go that the various seasons and times.
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  So we've been able to rightly interpret the times we are in,
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  helps us to know what to do.
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  So, from where you are, you have four seasons and every season requires
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  certain things you do and even the clothing you wear and all that.
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  And so being able to truly understand the season or the time
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  you can now do and be prepared for what is going on in that season.
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  And so sadly, I mean, all around us, it is clear that we are,
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  we don't understand the times.
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  And so we are like doing the wrong things at the wrong time.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And the season has changed, but we are still using the old methods for the
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  new, and that has also contributed to the myriad of problems that we see,
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  whether it be social or spiritual.
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  And I can go further.
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  I mean, to talk about today we have, for example, the Gen Z generation.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  I mean, that has been coined because they are different from us.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But really we made them so, if I could put it that way.
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  Reason being that, this generation and our generation are no different.
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  The only difference is the exposure.
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  They have had a different set of exposure from us, and that is
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  what is making them different.
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  But really this exposure also had come about because we... I want
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  to lay squarely at the feet of parents because we produce them.
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  We got too busy with work and career and certain demands such that what
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  needed to be put inside them in that formative years, we did a poor job.
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  And that is why, because now we are leaning more in secular knowledge,
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  academic knowledge versus family knowledge, social knowledge,
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  religious knowledge that should be passing on from us to them.
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  We failed.
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  If you remember after Joshua, we are told that a generation arose after Joshua.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Who Bible says they did not know God.
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  But even Joshua, could boldly declare that, "As for me and my
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  house, we'll serve the Lord."
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  Yes.
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  Though, he spoke that but however we found out that we didn't have his, any
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  of his children take over from him.
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  That is to say that he got so busy with the assignment God gave him that he
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  was not available for these children to be trained to take over from them.
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  So what we are actually going through is that they have gotten to a stage where we
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  have children who are different from us.
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  We have children who, if today we should leave everything behind, they might run
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  everything down because their wisdom, we had to have built whatever we had,
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  whether it be business, whatever it be ministry, or they lack the wisdom and
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  it's all because we didn't understand a success without a successor is failure.
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  Say that again?
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  Success
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  without a successor.
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  It's failure.
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  That's true.
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  'cause it means that the person who is gonna take over is
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  gonna bring everything down.
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  Why?
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  Because the wisdom, the knowledge, the understanding, you have to have
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  raised whatever it is, the person is not equipped enough to handle
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  what you have been able to build up.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And I'm quoting Solomon who says, "it's all vanity Who knows who
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  the child, who is gonna take over from whether he have the wisdom to
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  handle." But no, there is a wisdom.
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  The wisdom is that if you only would make time and raise, it's part of the
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  success plan that whatever I'm doing, I need to make sure that I pass it on.
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  And this wisdom is actually found in creation.
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  I remember homeschooling my children.
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  And I used to do some of the lessons with them and I remember we're doing the
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  respiratory system in the human body.
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  And so we were looking at blood circulation and all that.
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  And it was interesting for me sitting behind because what we're watching
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  was a video and it was all animated.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And it just hit me that in part of the lesson, it taught that this
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  white blood cells are our defense and that they are able to actually
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  arrest these viruses and all that.
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  But in the lesson it taught us that their lives one was so short that
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  they die off and new ones come.
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  But we know that in immunization you introduce a weak virus in there.
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  The white blood cells learn how to kill it.
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  Then next time you are able to overcome it.
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  But my question now, which I got from there is that how come that the next
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  generation that came after those who died were able to kill new ones who came?
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  That is to say that right in your blood system, God has put
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  in, the knowledge was passed on from one generation to the other.
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  That is why we can stay alive and healthy because the wisdom,
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  the knowledge is passed on.
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  Unfortunately, we go through certain situations like, I mean,
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  life has a lot of challenges and we fall, we get up and all that.
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  However, we are supposed to make sure that our hindsight becomes
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  the next generation's foresight.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  By passing this knowledge over and the wisdom and that is where we feel we have
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  failed because we got too busy doing and building and forgetting that part of the
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  equation should have been we trained the next generation to take over from us.
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  Because really, life is a race.
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  And I've come to understand it's a baton race that we pick up from
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  somewhere from others and we also will leave the scene and we have to
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  pass the bat to the next generation.
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  So how well we pick the baton and also make sure we rightly pass it on to the
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  next generation, we would have fulfilled what God is looking for from us.
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  So what I'm hearing from you, thank you so much.
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  That's so well said.
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  What I'm hearing though is that
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  Gen Zs, except something is done very soon, which can be Gen Zs,
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  may live different lives than we are living if the Lord tarries.
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  Right.
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  But as a woman of faith, I always say our wisdom comes from the
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  Lord, from the Holy Spirit.
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  It comes down from above.
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  And so when you recognize a problem, it's half-solved, isn't it?
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  Right?
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  So now we have identified the problem, and we are Christians.
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  We are in the faith of Jesus Christ.
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  How do we think we can go about solving it because a problem that is identified,
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  recognized, we know what it is, we can now start looking for the solutions.
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  And we as Christians have the solution.
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  Yes, yes, absolutely.
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  The solution is prescribed in the word of God.
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  So, the solution let me give it to us.
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  And, that is the blurp that I gave, that the Great Omission in the
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  Great Commission is Discipleship.
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  Jesus was sent to us here as an audio-visual of the Bible.
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  Meaning that the Bible, you remember it says in the beginning was the
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  Word and the Word was with God.
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  And the word was God.
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  Yes.
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  And the Word became flesh and dwell among us.
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  So Jesus is actually the audio-visual of the Bible.
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  So he came and really lived out what the wisdom, what God
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  is really looking for from us.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  And actually for all of us, we are actually supposed to become like Him.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  In Romans 8:29, for whom He forknew He predestined that we should all
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  conform to the image of his Son.
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  Now if that is true, which we know is true.
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  Then the question is, how do we, I mean, become that?
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  And it's all through training.
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  Actually, what God has helped to do for us is that He created everything
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  He created has a purpose, and the purpose was to bring us back to Him.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, Romans 1 says, His invisible attributes are clearly seen.
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  We know them by the things that were created so that no one can have excuse.
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  I didn't know that there was a God.
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  So, creation speaks to us.
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  The systems we have all points to the fact that, listen, this is God's
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  handiwork, God's signature is on this, and He's communicating to us.
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  Sadly, some of us are not able to understand.
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  So let me put it this way.
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  I'm a teacher by grace and I will throw this question out that, I mean, education
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  is quite expensive for all of us.
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  I mean, paying school fees, but would, did you think that it would've been very
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  cheaper for us if we have bought the textbooks and given to our children for
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  them to read and understand and we save ourselves the school fees we ought to pay.
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  However, because when you give the books to the children, they'll read
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  it, even if they can and read it.
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  They don't understand what they are reading.
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  They need a teacher to teach them, and that is what God has done
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  that actually He didn't just send us here and give us a manual.
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  But actually discipleship is the primary prescribed training
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  program that God has given to us.
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  That helps us to actually be equipped to have the wisdom He has so that
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  we can live successful lives.
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  Sadly just like our own regular family, family, like we
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  identifying, we have been busy.
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  We have not been parenting well.
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  And that same thing has happened in the church because parenting is work.
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  You have to be intentional in your parenting.
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  Well, sadly we pastors too, have not been intentional because it's a lot of work.
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  We just get people saved.
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  And when people get saved, it's just being born.
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  They are babies.
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  But for babies to grow up, they need the nurturing, they need the teaching.
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  They need the training to grow.
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  And so this is where we have failed where we have kept them wearing pampers and
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  drinking from the bottle, drinking only milk when they ought to go through this
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  training program that would've helped them to now be responsible and take initiative.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Now, we know that when you send a little child, I mean, I can see this
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  from this side of our world that, I mean, he can be stopped on the way, and
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  that stranger can tell him that mommy says, or daddy says, give me the money.
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  I'll bring the item back home and the child will believe the stranger
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  and just turn around and go.
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  And so you can find out that what I'm trying to get across
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  is that analogy I gave is that children are not deep thinkers.
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  They can easily be deceived.
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  And so if we haven't done the training, we have just become
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  big babies sitting in church.
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  30-year-old babies, 50-year-old babies.
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  Because we I would like to quote one scripture in the Word of God,
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  which is in Ephesians chapter four.
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  It brings what I'm trying to say across it brings it home.
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  Ephesians chapter four, we are told that Jesus, before he left, He gave
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  gifts to men and gives some apostles, prophets, prophets, evangelists,
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  pastors, and teachers for what purpose?
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  It says for the equipping of the saints.
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  Another word for equipping means for training.
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  And says also the edifying of the body of Christ till we all
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  come to the unity of the faith.
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  Amen.
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  And the knowledge of the Son of God.
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  So you see, you can become something that you don't know.
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  Our goal is to become like the Son of God or Jesus Christ.
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  So one of the major syllabus or the syllabus is for all that we
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  do in church should be Christ.
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  That is the syllabus because that's the end product.
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  Unfortunately, we teach on so many different things, which when I was
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  in school we call that Non-sylla.
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  Non-sylla means that which is not in the syllabus.
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  So you go when you are not ready to write exams, you're sitting in
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  the exams room, the questions are put before you and you can't answer
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  because the teacher didn't teach you what was required in the syllabus?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So what has really happened to us both at home and at church, is that children have
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  been born to us, whether it be home or children being born again in the church,
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  but we have failed to do this one and all important duty, which is parenting.
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  Now, so discipleship is simply spiritual parenting.
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  That when they are born or souls are won which is rightly
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  described as new babes in the Lord.
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  They are supposed to be trained the Lord's way.. And then so then it goes
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  further in that Ephesians chapter four, it says, till we all come to the sorry.
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  Let me, okay.
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  Verse 13 says Till we all come to the unity of the faith and the
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  knowledge of the Son of God to a perfect man, to the measure of the
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  stature of the fullness of Christ.
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  Amen.
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  That we no longer become children tossed to and fro, carried about
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  with every wind of doctrine and by the trickery of men and the cunning
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  craftiness with deceitful plotting.
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  If we have done our work well, children who have been properly trained or
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  right foundation laid, when they get on social media, they are able to
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  filter because you have armed them.
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  But what we are talking, children will be tossed to and fro meaning,
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  that whatever the winds blow, it takes them every wind of doctrine.
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  So our lack of parenting that, so sometimes this is what happen
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  because we fail instead of our children becoming arrows who
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  speak to the enemies at the gates.
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  If we are not careful, our children will be a tool rather in the
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  hands of our enemy against us.
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  And it seems like this direction is where we are heading to.
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  So, I'm so happy that you read from Ephesians, 'cause I'm reading Ephesians
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  too and I'm I wanted to say, and I seem to just keep being in Ephesians
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  and it's just so edifying to me.
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  But one thing that stood out for me is Ephesians 1, where it says that, you know,
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  we should ask for the spirit of wisdom and the revelation of the knowledge of Him.
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  Right.
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  And that has been like my anchor for everything I do.
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  I'm like, if we know God through the wisdom and the
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  revelation that He gives us.
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  Right.
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  That trickles down to so much more.
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  Right.
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  So as I hear from you that, you know, parents and parents in the church
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  and even the like the pastors in the church, like you're saying, even the
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  leadership in the church has failed.
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  I'm hearing, am I, is that, am I summarising it?
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Yes, we have.
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  I mean.
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  The state of the church reflects the society.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So, I mean, everything starts from we.
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  We are the agents and the vehicle that God is using.
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  We are the light of the world.
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  We are the salt of the earth.
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  And so when we see darkness covering the earth, it's not because
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  darkness is stronger than light.
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  Really what has happened is that the light stops shining, and
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  that is why darkness takes over.
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  So we have night season because the sun went away, the light went
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  away and the darkness takes over.
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  So really what is happening is that we, the believers have failed and the failure
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  has come from this five-fold ministry who did not understand that I'm not a prophet
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  for prophet sake, evangelist, apostle.
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  My one goal assignment is to equip people and make them become like Christ.
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  Yes.
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  So anything we are doing outside Christ is a Non-sylla, out of the syllabus.
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  So we can talk, you name it, inspirational messages or teach
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  morals, but that is not the gospel.
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  Right.
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  The gospel is Christ.
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  Yes, the gospel is Christ.
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  It's Christ.
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  Christ and Christ alone.
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  The one who came, died, resurrected and is now seated at the right hand side of God.
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  And we are seated besides Him and understanding that we
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  can't do this by ourselves.
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  I think, I mean, I've heard everything that you've said and I agree, but
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  then I guess we kind of touched on that, is that now we've recognized
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  the problem, how do we solve it and how does the church solve it?
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  We are talking about it, but in my opinion, and correct me if I'm wrong, is
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  that now we have to go back to the origin.
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  God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.
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  Repent and ask for the wisdom on how to go about changing this.
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  Because the only way it can be changed is wisdom, which
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  is what you're talking about.
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  Yes.
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  Understanding times we are in, but we need supernatural wisdom.
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  The one that comes down from above.
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  Okay.
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  So I mean the, the key I think is what the Bible has rightly described.
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  God says that my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Because remember, we have an enemy.
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  Let's not forget that there is an enemy who has chosen to adulterate.
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  If he's not able to stop you, he will slow you down.
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  If it's not able to slow you down I mean destroy or get you off track.
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  Now what has happened?
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  And you could see clearly several times from Paul who was big on doctrine, meaning
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  that the right things has to be taught.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Because like I'm saying, if we understand the times, we'll know that Jesus first
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  of all warned us that in the last days, there'll be a lot of deception.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Now the deception is not like clearly something that is opposite.
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  No, it is.
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  So, it's a counterfeit.
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  What the enemy has given us, and many of us, what we are doing is
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  counterfeit, because listen, Christianity is a life, it's not a religion.
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  It's supposed to be woven into everything that we do.
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  Yes.
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  Plus our time, our resources, why we do what we do.
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  And it is all focused to eternity.
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  Yes.
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  But sadly, we are only living and building things here.
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  And so what is now happening is that we are become shortsighted.
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  We are living only for the now.
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  Forgetting that one day we are going to stand before him and guess what?
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  One of the questions he's going to us, did you do what I sent you?
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  Sent you to do.
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  And one of it, all of us He's going to ask us if you are really born again, He's
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  going to ask you where are the disciples?
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  But the Great Commission says Go and make disciples.
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  But so now when you hear that.
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  And you say, how do I do it?
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  Then you, then other answers come, which is that you first have to be a
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  disciple before you can disciple another.
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  You see, Jesus says something, which I feel we all sometimes needs
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  to be reminded about and say, what shall it profit a man if he gains
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  the whole world and loses his soul.
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  What God is looking, I mean, so wisdom for our times is living
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  life with eternity in mind.
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  It informs us what to do.
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  I have one little story of I heard about.
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  A guy who went to the hospital had an issue and someway, somehow the hospital
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  personnel swapped his file or test.
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  And so the diagnosis, the report that came pointed to whatever illness
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  it was, and the doctor had to tell him, as per this report, it looks as
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  if you have just one month to live.
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  Hmm.
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  And so this guy leaves the hospital and sad though, but
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  suddenly everything changes.
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  He's no longer short-fused.
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  He was kind, I mean, everything about him changed.
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  Now.
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  Why?
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  Because he now saw that I only have one month to live.
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  He was helpful to people and all that.
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  Well, two weeks later he was called in.
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  And the records were set right.
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  And apology was given, sorry your file got swapped with somebody's.
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  But what he told the doctor was that, no, you don't have to apologize.
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  You have helped me.
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  Why?
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  Because for a long time I finally found the way to live.
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  Mm.
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  Because until this rude awakening that came to me that I have
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  somewhere to go and I need to be ready to stand before my Maker.
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  I was living life as if I have all the time.
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  So he continued that way.
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  And I think for many of us, we get so busy with life that
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  we don't even understand that.
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  Listen, even the children He gives us, we are going to give an account.
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  Did you teach them the way to go?
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  Because remember, Jesus gave us a parable that the talents I gave you, I'm
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  expecting you to have gone to do business or traded so that you have made profit.
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  So what I mean, whether it be the time we have, the education we have,
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  the opportunities that have given to us, all these things, one day we
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  are going to stand before our Master and our Father and give an account.
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  And I feel that we need to have that at the forefront of everything
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  that we do, and that is wisdom.
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  Yes.
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  So, scripture says the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
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  And I think so because we are put him on the back burner and
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  we are busy running His time.
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  I mean, we're on His time, but we are using the employer's time
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  to do our own side business.
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  Yes.
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  That is unwise.
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  Yep.
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  So what advice, as we are rounding up here, what advice would you give to us,
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  those of us who are believers and parents.
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  Some may be grandparents, but people who are viewing this or listening to
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  this and are hearing what you're saying.
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  You know, and they're like, okay, so how do we solve this?
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  Well, I'll point us straight back to the blueprint of which is the Bible.
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  The Bible.
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  Yes, the Bible where God has laid out how to live this life.
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  And His first prescription is that we all need to sign up to discipleship.
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  So let me give you one clear example.
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  A rich ruler goes to Jesus and say, Jesus, what must I do to have eternal life?
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  And He says, you have to... He gave them, do not kill, do
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  not steal, honor your parents.
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  He said, I've been doing all these things since my youthful days.
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  Bible says, Jesus laughed and said, but there's one thing that you lack.
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  Yeah.
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  Go and sell all, give to the poor and have your treasures in heaven.
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  Then come and follow me.
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  People hear that and they don't understand exactly what Jesus is talking about.
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  Jesus says, you see, people interpret it to think that Jesus
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  is against wealth and riches.
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  No.
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  Far from it.
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  I've heard a lot.
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  Yeah.
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  What the Lord is trying to teach us there is that you need to come
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  and sign up into discipleship.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  So that you'll be trained.
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  So these things that you are giving out, the issue is that once you sign up on
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  discipleship, you are actually going to be even more wealthy because the way God
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  system is when you give it up, more comes.
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  When you give, more counts.
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  So temporally, let go, put it in a safe place, come into discipleship,
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  and then you'll be able to now handle the wealth and use it profitably.
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  Or use it for the Master's... because all the resources, like, Jesus also
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  gave a parable about the rich fool.
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  The rich fool, why was he a fool?
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  Because Bible say he was not rich towards God.
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  Meaning that he was living a selfish life, but the wealth that he had was
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  supposed to be used to help others.
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  Yes.
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  But life is about giving.
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  And one analogy or advice I'm giving us all, and I want to leave us to my hearers
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  here is this, one of the best ways to understand life is how the tree is.
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  Remember we equated to a tree.
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  We are even referred to as tree of righteousness.
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  My question is this, when the tree bear fruits, does it bear fruit for itself?
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  And the answer is no.
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  This is all that he does, he actually is living to serve others.
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  But the beauty about it is that because the tree is fruitful, he has
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  a gardener, or a husbandman, or a farmer who ensures that its nutrients,
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  pruning its care is given to it.
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  And that's what God is looking from us.
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  We don't have to worry about the nutrients we need to have, the
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  water we need to have and all that.
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  Let's just understand that we are here to serve our generation, and so
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  we should take our eyes off ourselves where we first put ourselves on what I
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  can get, what I can have and all that, and switch it the other way where we
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  seek the kingdoms agenda first, then all the other things will be added.
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  Then we can be saved.
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  And not stand before Him with regrets.
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  So true.
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  Yes.
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  Those are your parting words.
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  As somebody used to say to me, I dunno who.
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  As Christians, we have to realize that this world is not our home.
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  It's temporary, and God's kingdom is like opposite to this world.
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  So you said give.
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  180 degrees.
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  Yeah.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  Actually, we don't own anything because when you own something, then if you are
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  leaving, you could have taken it away.
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  Mm-hmm.
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  But the proof that you don't own it is that when you die all that, you possess
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  whether even you had a title deed on a property, you leave that behind.
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  You leave it behind.
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  That tells
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  you that it was just a lease.
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  Yes.
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  Uh-huh.
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  Yes.
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  So...
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  Yes.
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  But there is something that is waiting us in eternity.
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  That is what we need to labor towards.
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  Yes.
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  And make sure that we enter in a grand way and we are to be
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  intentional about living our lives.
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  Intentional about living our lives.
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  So that we have the last laugh.
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  And you can be said, told...
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  He who laughs last, laughs best.
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  That's so true.
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  And also that we can be told, well done, my good and faithful servant.
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  Absolutely.
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  Absolutely.
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  Amen.
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  Reverend Emmanuel, this has been really thought-provoking.
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  I've had so many guests on and I say, I have to do a second episode.
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  You have been put in that category.
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  We have to do another episode.
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  Gladly.
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  I gladly you'll make time for it.
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  I appreciate the opportunity giving to me and may the Lord bless
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  this program you have and you are doing something very wonderful.
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  Setting the stage and the forum for people to hear truth,
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  wisdom and guidance for life.
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  So may the Lord reward you.
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  You're serving a need.
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  This is part of you being that tree that is bearing fruits.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  God bless you.
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  Amen.
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  Amen.
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  But one last thing is that, two last things people haven't heard this
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  would like to get in touch with you.
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  Where can they find you?
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  Okay.
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  So, I don't have a solid social presence, but you can reach me on whatsApp.
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  Okay.
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  I'll make the numbers available to you to share.
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  Okay.
• 35:25
  I'm also on Telegram.
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  Okay.
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  I'll just drop it.
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  I'll drop it in the chat.
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  Thank you.
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• 35:33
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  So thank you again.
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  Thank you too.
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  And now we'll open up the floor to everybody who joined us who
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  may ask you questions that I haven't had the chance to ask you.
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  Thank you.
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  Thank you.
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  Alright.