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Ancient Aliens Recap: S1E1 Pt. 1 · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Destroyed.
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  Speaker 2: Wait true Insurance, get a true I'm a chest both,
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  Speaker 2: get at your things, Wait the adults.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to a Patreon only bonus episode of
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  Speaker 1: Conspiracy The Show.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Adam Todd Brown, I'm Laura Crawford, and we're your
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  Speaker 2: house today.
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  Speaker 3: You're a consummate guest host.
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  Speaker 2: This is gonna be so fun.
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  Speaker 1: It is gonna be delightful, or it's gonna be exhausting,
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  Speaker 1: and we will never see it through to the end.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna do a really strong effort at first, and
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  Speaker 3: then everything won't teeter out slowly.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like that. I mean, much like the series itself.
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  Speaker 1: Peter out, Yeah, peter out, peter out, peter out, peter out,
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  Speaker 1: fizzle out, tp out.
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  Speaker 2: Better to burn out than to fade away, is what
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  Speaker 2: I've always said.
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  Speaker 3: Kaboom, That's what I've said.
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  Speaker 1: To quote Kurt Cobaine's suicide letter. I know it's a
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  Speaker 1: Neil Young's song Calm down, everybody, but I.
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  Speaker 3: Feel like this was probably much a desired topic to cover.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I feel like people are gonna be into this,
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  Speaker 1: and I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a
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  Speaker 1: podcast out there that does this, sure, but it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be one of two things. It's either gonna be one
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  Speaker 1: that just vehemently attempts to debunk every point on ancient aliens,
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  Speaker 1: which there are tons of websites like that, We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go through some of them, or it'll be one that
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  Speaker 1: just adamantly believes everything in this series.
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  Speaker 2: And I feel like we are gonna land kinda in
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  Speaker 2: the middle.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna make fun of everyone's voice and appearance.
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  Speaker 1: There are lots of voices and appearances to make fun of,
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  Speaker 1: lots of funny faces, hey characters.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the reservoir dogs of conspiracy theories.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, we're recapping a TV series about
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  Speaker 1: the theory that most of the history of man has
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  Speaker 1: been informed and guided by ancient aliens who came to
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  Speaker 1: visit ancient civilizations and impart their wisdom.
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  Speaker 3: Right, possibly the origin of life on Earth itself, right,
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  Speaker 3: the origin of human beings. All are what makes us
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  Speaker 3: distinct from the chimp. Your lower apes is the work
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  Speaker 3: of aliens. All our great ancient monuments are influenced by aliens.
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  Speaker 3: They were very involved in human life, and they are
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  Speaker 3: the basis for most of our mythology when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to sky gods. So yeah, there you have it, that's the.
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  Speaker 2: Thing sky gods like.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like such a crazy idea, extraterrestrial visitors come
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  Speaker 1: down from the skies above and mankind, but also.
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  Speaker 2: What help grower, use, help or use?
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  Speaker 1: But also what religion, what origin story of any people?
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't involve that to some degree, Yes, just because the
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  Speaker 1: Bible doesn't call them aliens, there's still people coming down
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  Speaker 1: from the skies to help.
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  Speaker 3: True. And I would also point out that when it
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  Speaker 3: comes to the nature of God, even the Judeo Christian context,
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  Speaker 3: the characteristics that we think of God as happening, which is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, omniscient, omnipresent, all loving, those qualities and characteristics
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  Speaker 3: are not all together in the Old Testament. God isn't everywhere,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't know everything, and he's not definitely not all loving.
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  Speaker 3: He has supernatural powers, decidedly, but it's not the kind
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  Speaker 3: of God that we think, even the kind of God
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  Speaker 3: that they describe would be closer to an entity, right,
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  Speaker 3: a powerful entity from off planet right than it does
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  Speaker 3: the God that we imagine that you can have a
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  Speaker 3: personal relationship with that knows everything all throughout time and
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  Speaker 3: has everything planned out. Why would God have to intercede
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  Speaker 3: in a war if he's just stuff like that. Anyway,
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  Speaker 3: we'll get yeah, yeah, you get it, You get it,
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  Speaker 3: you get it. So it's not like this is some
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  Speaker 3: mumbo jumbo for some culture that you've never been exposed.
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  Speaker 1: To, right, yeah, Like this is there's something similar to
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  Speaker 1: this in almost every religious text.
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  Speaker 2: It's just that some people out there and that.
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  Speaker 3: You say tomato, I say tomato, You say potato, I
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  Speaker 3: say ancient aliens.
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  Speaker 1: Right there are This is what this really is in
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  Speaker 1: a lot of cases is kind of a an alternate
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  Speaker 1: version of historical events, right, and some people seeing it
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  Speaker 1: differently than their peers.
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  Speaker 3: Whole paradigm shift.
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  Speaker 2: Like even with something like.
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  Speaker 1: Global warming, we always hear like, oh, well, ninety nine
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  Speaker 1: percent of science agrees. It's always that one percent, baby,
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  Speaker 1: and that could be the same. That is the same
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  Speaker 1: thing when it comes to like archaeological shit. There's like
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  Speaker 1: a consensus, and then there's always a few people on
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  Speaker 1: the side who are like, eh, we.
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  Speaker 3: All have our own eyes, we all see things. We
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  Speaker 3: were just talking about this. With research, it's we can
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  Speaker 3: all look at the same set of facts, same set
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  Speaker 3: of materials and come to different conclusions. Science seeks to
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  Speaker 3: formalize that and make it more uniform to be tested,
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  Speaker 3: but ultimately we can draw different conclusions. Is light a
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  Speaker 3: wave or is it a particle or a wave? It's
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  Speaker 3: both both. The people were arguing about that forever. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I hope that that's right. That I said that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think light exists. But that's a whole other thing.
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  Speaker 3: Really not in my soul.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a dark in there.
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  Speaker 3: Oh god, oh the Beatles they cover me.
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  Speaker 1: So there we're recapping season one, episode one of Ancient
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  Speaker 1: Aliens today.
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  Speaker 3: I got him credit. It's well made.
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  Speaker 2: It's very well made. I mean, it's a History Channel documentary.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't look hokey or anything. No, as opposed to
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the can documentaries that we watch that
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  Speaker 3: look like garbage.
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  Speaker 1: Any any conspiracy theory documentary that involves a computer voice,
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  Speaker 1: I'm out immediately. And there's so many in the year
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. Shut up off or learn to talk yourself,
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  Speaker 1: hire someone wacky?
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  Speaker 3: Bad UFO special effects? Yeah, for animations where it stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So this is well made. It looks like a legit
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  Speaker 3: history program like any other. There's nothing that makes you
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  Speaker 3: think when you start watching it that this is not
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  Speaker 3: going to present historical facts right, you are totally sold
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  Speaker 3: that this is going to be like other Channel shows. Professionals,
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  Speaker 3: scientists believe it.
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  Speaker 1: And there are professionals and scientists and experts in their
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  Speaker 1: field who are interviewed for this a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of Germans, a lot of Germans, and be logical.
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  Speaker 1: The thing is, I know there are people who despise
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  Speaker 1: this series and who are under the impression that every
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  Speaker 1: bit of this has been debund There are entire websites
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to debunking the theories presented in this show. And
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  Speaker 1: to me, it's another example of a thing I talk
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  Speaker 1: about on this podcast all the time where we're really
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  Speaker 1: critical of the person putting a theory forward, but way
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  Speaker 1: less critical of the people who debunk those theories.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, and can they get the credit that people think that,
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  Speaker 3: You know, if you've proven something to be wrong, there's
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  Speaker 3: no need to check your research, because proving something wrong
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  Speaker 3: is as powerful an argument as you can make right.
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  Speaker 1: And in there will be a couple of things we
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  Speaker 1: talk about here where I'm going to go into the
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  Speaker 1: debunking of it also, and I think you find with
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  Speaker 1: some of this the debunking aspect of it is just
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  Speaker 1: as fraught with plot holes as the theory itself totally true.
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  Speaker 2: And I think.
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  Speaker 1: One of the best examples of that is one of
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  Speaker 1: the first things they talk about in this show, which
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  Speaker 1: is the Sakara bird Yes, which is it was found
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  Speaker 1: in Sikara, Egypt, which is the location of It's the
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  Speaker 1: oldest of Egypt's ninety seven pyramids, The oldest one is
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  Speaker 1: in Sikara. It's called the Step Pyramid of King Joseph,
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  Speaker 1: also one of Egypt's oldest burial grounds. And in eighteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety one one of the tombs at Sikara is opened,
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  Speaker 1: and one of the things they find inside, next to
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  Speaker 1: a papyrus with the inscription I want to fly, is
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  Speaker 1: this little seven inch model called that they've called the
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  Speaker 1: Sikara bird. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And at first glance, mostly because it has a face,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like a bird.
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  Speaker 3: It has a face, it has wings, it has what
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  Speaker 3: looks like a.
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  Speaker 2: Tail, right, just like a bird.
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  Speaker 3: And the Egyptians did pain birds, they sure did.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, But it also kind of looks like an aircraft
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  Speaker 1: of some sort because it doesn't have bird wings like
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  Speaker 1: they With the face, it looks less like a bird.
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  Speaker 3: It looks more like a model airplane.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like a model airplane glider if you will, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some sort of glider. And one of the things they
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  Speaker 1: bring up in this documentary is that this might be
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  Speaker 1: instead of what we've always thought is that it was
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  Speaker 1: a bird. At some point, I believe it was in
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  Speaker 1: the eighties, someone was like, no, I think that might
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  Speaker 1: be a plane. That might be they might have used
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  Speaker 1: air travel to get around in some sort of way,
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  Speaker 1: and that might be a model version of one of
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  Speaker 1: the things they were seeing in the sky. And that
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  Speaker 1: becomes a theory that people start trying to put to
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  Speaker 1: the test, and they bring up in the documentary that
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  Speaker 1: at one point this team of scientists built a five
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  Speaker 1: time scale model of this thing.
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  Speaker 3: But this is the cool ass section of the episode,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, it is. It's kicking off hard.
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  Speaker 2: I love this.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's great, and it just goes in hard
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  Speaker 3: on that science the bat.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, bitch, you think it's just a model, We'll guess what.
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  Speaker 3: We tested it in a fucking tube and there's air
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  Speaker 3: and it looks like someone can get their head chopped off.
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  Speaker 1: By like you know, and it flew they put it
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  Speaker 1: in at the wind tunnel in a wind tunnel, and
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  Speaker 1: it was able to fly with some minor modifications.
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  Speaker 2: But we'll get to that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that they talk about
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  Speaker 1: is the Sakara bird, which it does. The wings on
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  Speaker 1: it don't look bird like, They look like the wings
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  Speaker 1: of a plane. Yeah, and the front of it looks
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  Speaker 1: very airplane like. They also point to these ancient gold
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  Speaker 1: fighter jets that were found in the mountains of Columbia
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  Speaker 1: near where treasure hunters think the legendary city of El
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  Speaker 1: Dorado might be buried. But early twentieth century tomb robbers
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  Speaker 1: found these gold figurines that mostly look like in sex
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  Speaker 1: and bugs, but then there's a few of them that
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  Speaker 1: look like fighter jets.
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  Speaker 3: They really do. These, even more so than this Carbard
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  Speaker 3: do look genuinely like something mechanical. And I was just
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  Speaker 3: gonna point out also that it's sort of annoying to
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  Speaker 3: me to think that people could not even conceive of
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  Speaker 3: the Egyptians conducting any kind of aeronautical experiments, even if
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  Speaker 3: they didn't actually have planes, or even if it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: actually ancient aliens. What makes us think that they could
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  Speaker 3: not have attempted some sort of flight vehicle. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 3: that's on their own independent. I mean, that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a side issue. But right, it's like, I just think
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  Speaker 3: it's very arrogant, and you know, to assume that you
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  Speaker 3: don't know that they weren't attempting when it says I
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  Speaker 3: want to fly, doesn't say I can fly. Right, it
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  Speaker 3: could have been a model of you know, could they
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  Speaker 3: were attempting to.
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  Speaker 2: Build, just been trying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, you know, they have chariots, so in their minds,
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  Speaker 3: they're probably thinking, we have chariots, we have vehicles.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, And a lot of times, like this
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  Speaker 1: documentary gets into flying cars a lot also, which are
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  Speaker 1: a big part of a lot of different ancient cultures lore.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the things that they point out is
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  Speaker 1: people might have just not known what they were seeing
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  Speaker 1: exactly when they were documenting stuff. And it's like, well,
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  Speaker 1: he's sitting on it and it's flying. You sit on
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  Speaker 1: a carpet, so yeah, I guess it's a flying carpet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Or with the Egyptian stuff, it's bizarre that people
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  Speaker 3: will recognize that ancient cultures were obsessed with the heavens
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  Speaker 3: and obsessed with star patterns and stuff, and they themselves
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  Speaker 3: would never make any attempt to make any sort of
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  Speaker 3: flying object.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And one of the things that's brought up in
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  Speaker 1: this episode, as it pertains to flight back at that time,
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  Speaker 1: there are maps, there are detailed maps of Antarctica that
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  Speaker 1: predate US discovering Antarctica.
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  Speaker 2: How how did that happen?
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  Speaker 3: Or they have maps that resemble what might be Pangaea? Right,
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  Speaker 3: it's crazy. But in this case of these gold little
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  Speaker 3: figurines that look like fighter jets, they fucking look like
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  Speaker 3: fighter jets.
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  Speaker 1: And in this case, instead of building a five X model,
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  Speaker 1: they make like a radio controlled version.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. It's fun as shit and it flies. I would
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  Speaker 3: love to play with that, yeah, anyway, And.
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  Speaker 1: It is the design of it as depicted in this
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  Speaker 1: little gold figurine from that was found in the early
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  Speaker 1: twentieth century, but predates that by a lot like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's airworthy, like it, if you built it, it would
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  Speaker 1: fly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And you have to look at this as these are
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  Speaker 3: people who were seen as having no science or no technology,
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  Speaker 3: and you know they didn't. There's no ancient Colombian archimedes
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  Speaker 3: that these people are referencing back to as far as
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  Speaker 3: we know, So the idea that they could build, that
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  Speaker 3: they could model something or make any kind of creation
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  Speaker 3: that has aeronautical properties, that is kind of a coincidence.
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  Speaker 3: It's very hard to throw out the window. Look at
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  Speaker 3: when they first started developing aircraft. How many fucked up,
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  Speaker 3: stupid fucking models they made. Yeah, of planes that didn't work,
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  Speaker 3: or of wings for someone to wear.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's people fucking failed and tried and failed to
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  Speaker 3: make aircraft that's even close to the design of this.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for hundreds of years.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's a good point to make that
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  Speaker 3: the West fucking couldn't do this right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's one thing, especially even when we
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  Speaker 1: get into the Sikara bird or actually the vimanas, which
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about next. But when you get into the
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  Speaker 1: way people debunk this, what you find is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of what's presented in ancient Aliens isn't so much the
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist version of these events. It's the non Western version.
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  Speaker 1: Like a lot of these cultures, our ideas of what
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  Speaker 1: they were capable of and what they did are based
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  Speaker 1: on Western historians, who I know some people aren't going
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  Speaker 1: to want to hear this, but had a vested interest
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  Speaker 1: in making it seem like the West was the leader
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  Speaker 1: in all of these things, and the West was the
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  Speaker 1: enlightened half of the globe. When when you get into
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  Speaker 1: the historians who still live in those countries and who
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  Speaker 1: are actually from that culture, they're like, all right, but
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  Speaker 1: we have our own version of events exactly.
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  Speaker 3: And it's incredibly patronizing and insulting to sort of imply
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  Speaker 3: that all these cultures they just made little models of
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  Speaker 3: fish and animals because it's all they could do. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have sophisticated literature or technology or anything, or
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  Speaker 3: you know, they were just sort of close to It's
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  Speaker 3: easier to subjugate to people if you believe them to
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  Speaker 3: lack the humanity that you do. And part of humanity
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  Speaker 3: is creativity and science. And they're basically saying that these
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  Speaker 3: people are not capable of you know, design, or of
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  Speaker 3: technology or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty racist.
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  Speaker 3: It is a lot of the a lot of cultural
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  Speaker 3: supremacy going on here, and a lot of it is
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  Speaker 3: it's no coincidence that a lot of the cultures that
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  Speaker 3: present this evidence are of non white people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it it's almost like, if you want to
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  Speaker 1: get really conspiratorial about it. It's almost as if presenting
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  Speaker 1: it this way isn't really doing those cultures any favors,
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  Speaker 1: like like presenting it as ancient Aliens on the History Channel,
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  Speaker 1: Like it could just be that these ancient civilizations were
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  Speaker 1: a little more advanced than Western history has given them
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  Speaker 1: credit for. But it's once again to Western History's benefit
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  Speaker 1: to go, all right, let's put this fucking ancient Aliens
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  Speaker 1: thing out there, and now anytime someone suggests vimanas might
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  Speaker 1: have been a real thing, we can go are aliens.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is where that.
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  Speaker 3: Means the Great White Savior. It's the Great Gray Savior.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And this, uh, speaking of the Aliens meme, which everyone
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  Speaker 1: has to know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wacky old hair Jack guy with the crazy hair.
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  Speaker 3: It's like it's just an electric socket.
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  Speaker 1: This is where he makes his first appearance when we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about the little gold Fighter jets. So he's early on,
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  Speaker 1: takes makes a commanding presence in Ancient Aliens. Giorgio Sukulos
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  Speaker 1: is his name, Yes, and he's just a delight.
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  Speaker 3: His hair sort of looks like it's a bit like
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  Speaker 3: Polly d from Jersey Shore across with someone as to
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  Speaker 3: the razorhead.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Polly d from the Jersey Shore.
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  Speaker 1: If you got that done to your hair and then
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  Speaker 1: just stopped taking care of it that it grew out,
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  Speaker 1: Just let it grow out like a chia pet.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. We were just discussing before the show about how
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  Speaker 3: I was at a radio station in Boston. We were
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  Speaker 3: talking about how they had had him on his guest
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  Speaker 3: previous and that in his personal life or non camera life,
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  Speaker 3: he's pretty hippyish, slicking guy, buttoned down like shirt opened,
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  Speaker 3: you know, unbuttoned to the his mid chest, and lots
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  Speaker 3: of amulets and you know, talisman's and stuff and sandals
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  Speaker 3: and jeans, and it's like they dress him up in
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  Speaker 3: a suit to make him look professional on air, but
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  Speaker 3: they don't change that hair.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even the suit is smart.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he's a great dresser. He looks fantastic.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I just mean like making him wear that suit,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: because if he's saying the things he's saying, but also
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: dressed like Stevie Nicks, You're gonna be like, who is this? Yeah?
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Who is this person?
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: You expect him to be selling you? Macha in Venice Beach, Yeah,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Pick up artist mystery.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, used to have that VH one show, Yes, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: he would like have top hats with goggles on, like
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: they should have made him look like Tony Robbins on
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that show exactly, and then show up at the club
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: with that and you're like what is this and he's like,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it's the game baby.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like No Fielding from The Mighty Boosh
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: and Tommy Lee had a child. Yeah, he does bizarre,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: But Sigla is cool. In terms of characters, We're gonna
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: see that. It's him. It's David Childress. Yeah, I'm the
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: dude with the beard and the golfs. Like little technology
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: the ancient Egyptians was for dated you would expect.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we see a cast of characters. There's a Stonemason
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: from northern California.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Graham Hancock. You might have seen before on
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Joe Rogan. I did not, he's yeah, he'said he's been
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: on Joe Rogan I think a couple of times. Graham Hancock.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: He's a British fellow. So I've been to South America
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: and I've seen these fascinating statues. They're gold and they
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: look of fighter jets. You would never imagine aliens.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: So I know at this point there are probably with
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: all white men.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: It's all white men and a lot of Germans.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know if a woman is interview, Oh there.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Is, there's that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Oh there's that lady who we talked about her in
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Mystery Men. Not Mystery Men. I'll see myself out.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Men.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a woman who is in that. I can't
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: recall her name. She's a dark lady, kind of petits like.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: You'll see her in that. We'll talk about later.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: All right, there's one woman, So there are I'm sure
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: there are people who've looked into this before who are
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: at home chomping at the bit, at the bit champing.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's champing, but it's pronounced chomping, isn't it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: No, well it is now.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: The big buddy, I shouldn't correct you on your own
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: fucking show.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Chomping at the bit. Write it down, it's official. Put
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: it in the dictionary.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: We've changed it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Uh to mention that the Ciicara bird has been debunked,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: because if you google Ciicara bird, one of the auto
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: populated options is debunked, and a lot of there's a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: lot of effort that's been put into debunking ancient aliens and.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Are they tied to any sort of museums or scientific community.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: They are usually blog spot pages angel Fire.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah there, although there is a website called Ancient Aliens
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Debunked and we'll cover some of their debunkings too.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Did they ask Jeeves that I think they did.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Uh. But one of the Sikara bird debunkings that I
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: came across is on skippythskeptic dot blog spot.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Fucking a, I forgot com I first saw you wrote
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: this before I saw what the link was, and I
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: thought I just planted at it. I thought you were
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: like fucking These guys got names like Skippy the Skeptic.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: No, it's for real called Skippy the Skeptic.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And this gets back to my point about how once
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: one person on the Internet has debunked something, will cite
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: that as cannon forever and be like, no, that theory
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: is debunked.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Snope's good for you and Snopes included.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And when you go into like if you watch Ancient Aliens,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of the people who are being interviewed are
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: they work in the field they're talking about, Like, especially
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: when you get into alien stuff like especially a lot
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of alien sightings and UFO sightings and things like that.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Those are fucking military people who are coming forward with
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: that stuff. And then you're taking their word versus Skippythskeptic
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: dot blog spot and going, well, why would Skippy lie?
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And it's like, why would the military guy lie?
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, and they have no train and they generally
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: they don't have any training and the things that they're
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: talking about.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And so let's go through some of the debunkings of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the Cicara bird that Skippy gives us. Here's a quote. Wait,
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: what the Ciicara bird looks like? A Hercules see one thirty.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: A Hercules see one thirty is ninety seven feet long
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: and has four forty three hundred horse power engines. The
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Cikara bird is about seven inches long and doesn't even
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: have a horizontal stabilizer on its tail. It looks like
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a modern plane, only in the sense that it has wings.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: He is being intentionally obtuse there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: You can't hear me rolling my eyes on a podcast,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: but you can imagine that.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like this is a model of what they're saying
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: is the Ciicara bird is a model depiction of something
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: this civilization actually saw in their sky.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, they're not saying we're possibly attempting to create right.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: No, one's saying they shrunk down to three inches in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: size and hopped in a seven inch plane, which even
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: then you're taking up too much space.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: It just reminds me of what is it in Zulanda
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: where he's like, the school is too small, the children
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: won't fit.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: In exactly, you know, and like to consider that inadequate
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: debunking to say the Cicara birds only seven inches.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we know, and then indraw engines on it, right, and.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: One of the other things he mentions will get to also,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: But here's a longer quote. Wow, those guys put a
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: model of the bird through a wind tunnel and a
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: computer simulation and they say it can fly.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: That's conclusive proof, right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Wrong. Watch the video again and pay attention. These guys
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: aren't testing the Cicara bird. They're testing a balsa wood
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: model fitted with a large horizontal tail surface. The real
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: bird has no horizontal tail at all, and it's made
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: from sycamore, which is something like three times as dense
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: as balsa wood. The real conclusion here is that if
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the Sikara bird was made of different material and actually
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: shaped like an airplane, it could fly.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: How much does that prove? It fucking proves a lot.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Like if they've made a model of something that, when
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: made bigger and with airplane materials, could fly, that proves
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: It proves it is aeronautic qualities. He's attributing its ability
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: to fly entirely on the tail, which just proves how
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: much he doesn't fucking know about aeronautics, which is, it
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: takes more than just a fucking tail to make something
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: to be able to fly. That's why it fucking took
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: it so long to figure out how to make an airplane, right,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: And I'm arguing on the hymn. Also, I don't take
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: you to be very credible when you're still argument it's like, ugh,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: sarcastic comment, No oh the real truth yelled at you. Yeah,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: it's like not my favorite form. I just like bumped
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: into the mic because I got so enraged at this
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: tooche and.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Even the tail thing they is addressed in the documentary.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Here's one more quote. The performance of this model proves
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: conclusively that the Sakara bird never flew. It is totally
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: unstable without a tailplane. A cursory inspection of the photos
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: shows that it never had one, even after a tailplane
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: was fitted. The glide performance was disappointing.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: He's disappointing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Well, he's lying, is what he's doing now, because he
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: says a cursory glance of the photos reveals there was
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: never a tail piece. There are on that tailpiece a
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: series of ridges that look like they were meant to
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: hold a piece that is no longer with us in place,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: which could very well have bend that tailpart.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, what are those ridges?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: So the photos don't conclusively show that there was never
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a tail piece there, they show that there may be
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was one, in it being an artifact discovered in eighteen
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: ninety one, maybe we just lost it over the years.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: And so from that he goes to, well, if that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: tail piece was there, then it's still just disappointing at
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: best when it comes to flying, all right, But it's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: also a thing that was made how long ago, and
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: if it could fly at all, that's pretty fucking impressive.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: It's super arrogant and really dismissive of this guy to
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: not realize that. Part of what they're also pointing out
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: is that it's a bigger point, it's not this bird
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: is an example of something greater, which is the ancient
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Egyptians had access to, or interest in, or knowledge of
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: technology that is far outside of what the Western narrative
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: of ancient Egypt has been. And that is a sign
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: that that has happened before and other civilizations, right, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: that we don't know the extent to which that is true.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: It's about the ability for civilization that we have limited
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: our understanding of and saying that there is a huge window,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: a huge realm of opportunities for them to have been
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: doing things that we didn't think were possible.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And arrogant is the perfect word for it, because
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: we're talking like the United States.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: Not about that fucking bird. Yeah, it's a symbol like
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: red herring, Like the.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: United States has been a country for two hundred some years,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: such a small part of history in the grand scheme
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: of things, Like we're talking about civilizations that existed thousands
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: of years ago.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: We have no way of knowing for sure what they
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: were capable of and in what areas, right.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: But it it's and it's frustrating to watch to see
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the reaction to something like ancient Aliens, which I get
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: that they're presenting it in a really stylized kind of
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: fantastical way that almost sort of discredit it. But we're
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: really just talking about the Eastern versus Western versions of history.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: It's true. And a point to make is about when
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: you mentioned America being a relatively young entity, how easy
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: is it to wipe out two hundred years of history?
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Very easy, very easy, two hundred years of records, two
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: hundred years of accomplishments of monuments of you know, records, anything,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: very easy to wipe that out there. And we're looking
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: at Egypt, I mean the period of ancient Engige that
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: we're talking about. You know, there's that great fact which
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: is we live closer to the time of Cleopatra than
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: she did at the time of the Pyramids building.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Like, here's a.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Thing to take into account. Nirvana will be a myth
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: someday because at a point in history, which is the
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: two thousands, when you would think record labels and entertainment
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: companies must have all of their shit just under lock
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: and key and have it protected forever, there was a
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: huge fire that destroyed the master recordings of tons of bands,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: and Nirvana is one of them, which means it's very
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: possible that there could be a point in history where
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: all the Nirvana albums are gone, all the Nirvana CDs,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: everything are gone, or.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: Even having everything in digital records, it's so easy to wipe.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: That out and people will be like, well, there was
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: this band called Nirvana, and we've like recreated our music
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: to the best of what the descriptions of it imply.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It sounded like, but we don't have the music anymore.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Take me, it's got exactly like me, Like anything is
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: capable of just disappearing from history completely.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I would point out also, ninety percent of all silent
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: films have been destroyed, and it's and that's within the
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: last hundred years. And even like that fire instance, but
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: a fucking films they made orne.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And when you think about what a genocide is, genocide
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: isn't always just the cleansing of the existence of people,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: like actual like killing people. It's also cleansing their history
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: and removing their existence from the historical record.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: How many times there and.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Their accomplishments right dehumanize them to make them think that
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: they were animals, And.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: We don't know how many times throughout history that's happened
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: where a civilization where like how many of these ancient civilizations,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Like they talk about Machu Picchu in this the.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: People who lived at Machu Picchu just fucking vanished one day.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: It just abandoned that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Shit, And they didn't have to live there. Right, they're
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: living in a difficult, remote location on purpose.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Right. We don't know why they live there, We don't
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: know why they left. But when a documentary like this
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: comes along and suggests, hey, maybe they had access to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: technology that we don't realize they had access to. So
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: many assumingly well meaning skeptics are.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Like bunk lies. We would know It's like, no, we wouldn't.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Also, it's strange to me to imagine that someone looking
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: at a page, someone looking at a piece of historical record,
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: the fighter jets from Columbia or this car bird, would
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: look at it and say that's a plain aliens? Why
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: would they? Who would think that that would be? I'm
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: just saying I think most logical people would think I'm
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: gonna sound fucking stupid if I say this. But you
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: have to be very compelled, I think, to make these
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: kinds of cases, especially if you're a person of science.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Oh you are really going out in a limb and
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: sacrificing your whole career on an idea, and you have
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: to really firmly fucking believe in that idea. Yeah, it's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a lot easier to come in and say that someone's
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: idea is bullshit than it is to say a new
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: and sincerely held belief right and risk the criticism and science.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Science principles tend to be pretty infallible. Scientists are not, no,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and their haircuts. They're very fallible. They're so fallible, and
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: they are in a lot of cases as prone to
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: being influenced by money as anyone else. We were talking
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: before we started recording about the article I wrote about
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: vaping and how there's this often cited scientific study that
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: claims jewel pods and cigarettes contain the same chemicals, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: they don't like that's a technicality, that is, it's deceptive
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: to put it that way. The chemicals and cigarettes that
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: kill you are not in jewel pods. But it reads
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: like a very compelling scientific study. But then you get
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: down to the financial disclosures. That's why financial disclosure sections
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: exist in scientific studies, because there you see all the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: doctors who worked on this all have a financial stake
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: in the tobacco cessation industry, right, which is also being
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: threatened by vaping. So yeah, on the one hand, it's
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: a scientific study saying that, But on the other hand,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: they're clearly being influenced to say things in the way
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: someone wants it said. And when you're talking about history again,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: like the West has kind of written history and expected
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the rest of the world to adopt our version.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Of it, right, and it's not always correct world to
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: be right.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: And even when you're talking about like some of these
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: modern scientists who are on this show and are like, yeah,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I think my colleagues might be wrong, don't take like,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: don't take lightly the idea that that person's colleagues could
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: all be influenced by not just money, but the need
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: for the Western narrative, in the Western version of history
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: to be the defining version.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Of history exactly. Like this person could just be the
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: renegade whistleblower type. Those people exist, certainly.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about another flying vehicle from ancient history
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that has brought up I love.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: How the Germans say it vias vimanacient ancient India. You
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: have done that was seflying vehiclesas and the vermanaso alpply
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: it from place to place.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Which that is a part of a lot of ancient
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Sanskrit texts.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, so it basically to understand this, I guess you
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: would say that within ancient Hindu belief the Vedas, which
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: are their sacred religious texts, kind of comparable to the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Torah or the Bible or the Quran, they described these
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: flying vehicles and it's in Sanskrit, which is the language
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: ancient India, right, and these ships called Vina's yeah, and.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: They're six thousand BC, six thousand BC, which in old
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: When we get into the debunking of this, when that
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: part becomes important, But the these a.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Lot of these texts are thought to be myths but
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: also have.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Been tied in with religion. So I think that's where people, right, Yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: they think religion is completely divorced from science, which often
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: is not always.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: But also one of the things you'll see in these
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: texts as it relates to vermanas, there's a diagram of
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: how they work, and it describes a propulsion system that's
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: very modern or very similar to what we have now.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: So what the fuck is that?
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Which would seem unnecessary if it's just a mythology.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: And flight manuals. There are flight manuals for vimanas in
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: ancient Sanskrit text and again, like I it feels like
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: a very Western history thing to go. They were just
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: seeing birds, so they wrote flight manuals for the birds
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: they saw in the sky.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I also think it's too different for people to kind
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: of wrap their minds around it a way because we
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: think of religious text as ethical or moral guides or parables, right,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: but like what to do? And I think especially people
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: who come from a you know, Christian New Testament tradition,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I think they forget how much religion is of historical record.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: And to me, history almost had to include stories of
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: the divine if you want to be credible, because what's
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: the source of truth and authority and power in people's lives.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: It's the celest deal. So if you want to talk
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: about history, you have to include that because that is
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: the focal point of some people's lives. I mean, people
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: created religious monuments before they made pottery or did a
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: lot of things that you think would be fundamental community.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: So it's funny to us that we just say, well,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the religious documents that can't be worth including in any
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: kind of science, and it's like, but that was what
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: you get It fucking important.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It's it's of course massively important because there's a religion
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, in a lot of cases, it's the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: only record we have of that culture in that civilization.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Like people got to take things.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Because they were godly things and that's why they got saved.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Because it wasn't just some bullshit you know, someone's diary.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: It's like these things stayed the rt time because they
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: addressed the most fundamental questions and issues of of humanity,
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: which is our relationship to the divine right.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And just the idea that so many of these texts
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: include something often fiery looking, coming down from the sky
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and bringing knowledge to people. That's not nothing, Like how
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: do so many civilizations across the globe have that as part.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Of Like, really, God, you wouldn't need a fucking vehicle,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: right if you were just divine and you weren't. There's
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: different between having supernatural powers and divinity. Away say it
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Where God is omnipresent, He exist throughout
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: space and time. God doesn't need a vehicle to travel
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: because he doesn't have a physical being.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: The first person who's figured out a flying craft and
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: landed it somewhere else. All the people it landed around
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: are gonna think that person's God because they've never seen
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: anything like that. Right, Like, this whole thing could come
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: down to one or two civilizations figured out flight of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: some sort and went around the g went around the
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: globe pretending to be God exactly, Like, it doesn't have
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: to be ancient aliens, even if you were.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Even to take it outside of the monotheistic to do
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: a Christian thing, even if you believe in polytheism. Why
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: would those gods need vehicles? Why woul't they just fly
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: down like birds or they operate out of nothing? Right,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: why do they need a means of transport, like a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: physical entity that's made They describe them as made of metal.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: They're often described being described as made of metal in
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: some cases, or creating actual flames. Why would you need
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: a vehicle that creates flames just for a show effect. Yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense to just take it strictly
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: necessarily as divine entities.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: And you know divine entities that well, then what's your
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: explanation for what they were seeing?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're describing like so they're just all myths.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: And I think that that is like fucking taking mushrooms,
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: taking acid rip and balls, coming up with the stuff
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: whole claw that and nothing right.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And there would be on any number of fronts at
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the point in history where these things are discovered, someone
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: would have a vested interest in going, ooh, what if
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: we discovered that instead? And we just kind of sweep
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it under the rug that it was discovered there, And
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: now all these years later we're like, what the fuck
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: is with this propulsion system in this ancient Indian text?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And they're like, fucking myths. They didn't know what they
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: guessed and got it right. Come on, Yeah, I feel
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: like at some point some archaeologists found this shit and
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: we just stole the idea and we're like, the West
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: came up with that, baby.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Totally possible.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we don't know how advanced these civilizations got.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: There's no way to know.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we really have no way of knowing. And that's
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: most a funny thing when we look back at history
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: about certain accomplishments and what things stay, what gets pre
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: because you look at like most of the artwork and
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: stuff were creative endeavors that women would do for centuries
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: made of fabric, made of materials, made of wood. Anything
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: that's not a long lasting material is fucking gone. Yeah,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: and that's a lot of shit. Think in your own life,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: how many of the things that you own, your personal possessions,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: how many of them would actually be able to survive
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: for thousands of years? Yeah, probably mixed to nothing, just
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: the materials that it's made of.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And then we've actually mentioned ancient aliens on an episode
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: of this podcast before, because we did an episode about
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the theory that there might have been a nuclear war
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: in ancient India at one point. They do get into
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: that herea and one of the arguments people make against
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: that is sort of the reverse of what you're talking about,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: where they're like, well, there's still building standing, wouldn't an
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: ancient nuclear war have knocked them over? Meanwhile, look at
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: fucking stock video from the government detonating nuclear bombs in
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: the United States and the f and you'll see trees
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: that like sway a little bit and then pop back up.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: And we're talking about fucking structures that are made of
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: mud and sand.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: They're just gonna get harder in the heat. They don't
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: melt it. Those dips.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not that's not gonna fucking happen.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: But so yeah, the the Vimanas, it's like the things
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: they describe. They describe these propulsion systems using gyroscopes in
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: mercury and electricity, which are things we know do exist.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: We use gyroscopes in all sorts of flight. There's gyroscopes
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: in your phone, like gyroscopes are in everything. And they
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: just randomly mentioned it way back then as being a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: key to flight, and we were like, a good guess.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: It baffles the mind. I think this show is like
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: the Boon Boon's Farms or the Soco of conspiracy theories,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: which is it's your entry point. Yeah, you know, and
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know that's that's how I became an alcoholic.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah absolutely, I mean yeah, just last night watching this,
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I just said to become an alcoholic again.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: The you know, it's kind of like I feel like
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: people are so denset on debunking anchent aliens because they
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: are pissed off at how many people have used this
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: as the jumping out point to get interesting conspiracy theories, right,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: about how popular it's been and how successful it has
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: been about making people question these things.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: And I think the real conspiracy theory here is that
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Western historians have gone to very great lengths to discredit
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the Eastern version of historical events and the founding of
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: the world, and we.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Or have to know that been disinterested in it, like
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: we st don't give a fuck us history books go
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: to great lengths to diminish the contributions of black people
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: and women.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: We know it happens a here, like you think we
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: A vested interest in disproving the fact that India came
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: up with flight before us.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: Also, we have to look at the geographic nature of
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: the places that you're dressing, which is the landscape is
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: extreme different than it was then. If we were talking
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: about Columbia, and they've found there was always this notion
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: that the rainforest has always just been there and it's
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: this ancient forest in Brazil and the Amazon, and now
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: they're finding a lot more evidence that there were large
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: scale cities and communities. It's just all this a lot
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: more the mound cities that they discovered in North America,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: like a lot of those large, much larger urban areas
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: than they thought were possible. And we're still finding out
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: a lot about what they were up to, because we
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: were we thought they were incapable of having things like that,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: and they were just living in the woods, fucking like rabbits.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh so one of the let's talk about the
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: debunking of the Vimanas. There is again a website called
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Ancient Aliensdebunked dot com. And I'm going to do to
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: them what they're doing to Ancient Aliens here, which is
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: taking the fact that they got one date wrong and
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: using it to discredit anything else that happens in this
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: part of the episode. And in this case, here's the quote, wow,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: six thousand BC. Really, in reality, the oldest of these
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: texts would be the Vedas, which date to between five
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen hundred BC. Ancient Aliens just adds another
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: five thousand years, as if no one would notice. Actually,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that date is a wildly contested thing again between Western
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and Eastern historians. So those five thousand years, if you're
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: looking for a more credible source as to where they
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: were added. In twenty fifteen, a group of Indian scholars
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: at a conclave organized by Delhi University's Sanskrit department came
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: to the conclusion that the Vedas are from around closer
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: to six thousand BC, and they should know, and they,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I feel like, probably know a little more than the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: person running this blog.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I also like to point out same argument style cast
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: a question really yeah, no bullshit response anger for no reason.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like, just look into it a little. There's, uh,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: We'll link to a couple different sources. There's another one.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: The website is kamikati dot org. But it's it goes
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: into the history of this debate and how there are
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: some people that say it's fifteen hundred BC, some people
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: say three thousand, some people say six thousand, and apparently
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the people who subscribe to this theory subscribe to the
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: idea that it's six thousand BC.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Oh fuck, do I know?
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Like I'm definitely not confident enough to go on a
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: website and debunk this theory just as a guy, because
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the way I read it, it's fifteen hundred BC. A
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: lot of things you read in school are wrong, Like
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: we know that now it's twenty nineteen.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Well, the we're LD's only six thousand years old, so
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know how.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, And like I worked for a website for
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: fucking ten years that are entire shit was telling you
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: how much shit from your textbooks was wrong. Like I
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: edited and helped write a New York Times best selling
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: book called The detext Book that is all about all
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: the shit textbooks taught us incorrectly. Even the fucking Pyramids,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: like we picture them as these like sand structures, they
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: were gleaming white when they were built.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: They were covered in this white surface material.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Also very good evidence due to what looks like water damage,
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: that they're much older than we think, and that it
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: was at a time when Egypt is kind of particularly
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: lush and possibly ice it or so yeah, yeah, that's
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: another theory that there are. You went out, so so yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: the in the the twelve thousand years ago, that's what
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: they're claiming as the date of the pyramids, possibly yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: the oldest.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, all of that stuff is still
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: up in the air. And for this deep monking because
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: they can barely fly because it's a dumb bird. Stupid bird,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: stupid mechanical bird. And so yeah, this is another thing
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: where you go out, you see that there's a website
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: debunking it, and you go, oh, okay, I guess that's
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the end.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Of the story.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: But not really, this is this, especially Vimana's, and all
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: of this is very much still open to debate. And
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: fucking airplanes exist now, so it's possible that airplanes existed
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: when the fuck ever?
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we don't know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: So executive decision that we didn't just talk about and
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I edited that part out. But we're gonna split this
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: first episode into two episodes because the thing about ancient
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: aliens ninety minutes long that first episode, uh.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Huh, it's cinematic and scale and what you.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Find after that first season Again, I think I mentioned
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: this earlier. I don't think they thought there would be
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: a second season. Oh no, so they cram a lot
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: into these first I think there's only three episodes the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: season something like that. I hope if there's like ten
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: ninety minute episodes, No, no, I'm gonna no, no, that
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: that would be unacceptable. But so we're gonna split episode
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: one into two episodes because the I feel like from
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: here we do actually get into stuff that is like,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: there's certain details of it that you can kind of
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: debunk and that I don't think the show makes as
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: strong of a case on true. But this first half
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: that deals with the ancient flying objects of the India
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and Egypt and places of the like. I feel like
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: they make as compelling of an argument as the people
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: who've debunked it, like, well, we'll never know, Like we're
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: not gonna find one of these things, And.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: So far I'm kind of middle of the road.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Right I am open to the possibility. It's hard with
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Annginellings because I'm really sold on their idea that history
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: is not as we have been told? But is it Aliens?
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know that part.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Well, see, that's the thing off way I think I don't.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know about Aliens.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I again, and this is a conspiracy theory podcast, so
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: this is the forum for an opinion like this. I
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: don't trust the intent of the Ancient Aliens series. I
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: think it is another attempt to discredit the non Western
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: version of historical events, and I think they're wrapping a
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: lot of that up in Giorgio Sukulos Going Aliens, And
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: as a result of its relation to this series, a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: lot of people are going to write that version of
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: history off just in general, when it's actually like everything
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: else in life, it's a little more nuanced and not
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: quite as cut and dry as that.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Right now, it's really essential, that's what it is.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: So we're gonna die seck the shit out of these
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: ancient aliens, right.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a secret tape on Fox.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: But that's the end of episode one. For now, we'll
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: put this one out publicly. To get episode two.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have to get it on the Patreon cool uh.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: And then these are gonna be h like a Patreon
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: bonus thing for Conspiracy the show, only because I always
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: got to come up with bonus episodes, but also a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: lot of our episodes are good and I want them
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: to be public and I think these will be good too.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But there this is a little more geared toward a
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: diehard conspiracy listener.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, or someone who just loves history channel the
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: shit out of it.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 50:38
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