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Love and Rockets Book Club #73 - V2 #3 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

• 0:01
  Tad Eggleston: Good morning, everybody, and we're actually all still morning, right? You're… are you still in Mexico, or are you in El Salvador now?
• 0:08
  Maria Pena: I'm in El Salvador.
• 0:10
  Tad Eggleston: in El Salvador. So yes, we're all… All morning.
• 0:16
  Tad Eggleston: It's weird to have us all in the same time zone. Though, you have your background, so I, like, I never know where you are, because I always see the rolling surf and the palm trees.
• 0:28
  Maria Pena: Yeah, this is… that's my dream location, you know, doesn't quite look like that here.
• 0:34
  Tad Eggleston: Okay, so, so, yeah, welcome back to the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 Panels, where today we will discuss Love and Rockets Volume 2, Number 3. Hello, Maria. Hello, Marisol.
• 0:49
  Marisol: Where are you guys?
• 0:49
  Tad Eggleston: stewing?
• 0:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah, good, good. Recovering from a… from a terrible cold thing, probably COVID, who knows what, but anyway.
• 1:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 1:02
  Maria Pena: That's not what you're supposed to do on vacation, Maria. No, I know.
• 1:07
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, you already break the vacation rules because you take work with you, but you're not supposed
• 1:13
  Tad Eggleston: sick AND to work on vacation.
• 1:17
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I know, I know.
• 1:19
  Marisol: We're in Oaxaca for a week.
• 1:20
  Maria Pena: And most of it was sick… being sick.
• 1:23
  Tad Eggleston: Pardon?
• 1:27
  Maria Pena: So…
• 1:27
  Marisol: Well, I'm burned in Minnesota now, and it's so cold!
• 1:31
  Maria Pena: Oh, I must be freezing.
• 1:34
  Marisol: It is so cold over here today.
• 1:36
  Tad Eggleston: Minneapolis area?
• 1:38
  Marisol: Yup.
• 1:39
  Tad Eggleston: I should send you comic shop recommendations.
• 1:44
  Tad Eggleston: good ones.
• 1:47
  Tad Eggleston: Minneapolis has a, has a good, comic scene. You should… should make a point of going up with me for, Insert Name Zine Fest next year.
• 1:56
  Marisol: Yeah, I need to start checking out their comics around here.
• 1:58
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, damn.
• 2:00
  Tad Eggleston: They've got, they've got a, impressive indie comic scene.
• 2:03
  Tad Eggleston: And a number of bigger creators live in the Minneapolis area. It's like, Minneapolis is kind of like the mini Portland.
• 2:13
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's fun. Portland is currently the U.S. comics mecca.
• 2:17
  Tad Eggleston: New York used to be, and still has.
• 2:22
  Tad Eggleston: the skeleton, like, because there are people that never left New York, but most of the…
• 2:29
  Tad Eggleston: the younger generation, the ones that… that never went to New York, because, like, New York became the comics mecca because both Marvel and DC were there.
• 2:39
  Maria Pena: NBC, yeah.
• 2:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right, so, like, and back in the era before fax machines, before, like, the closer you were, the easier it was to get your artwork in.
• 2:51
  Tad Eggleston: But in the internet era,
• 2:57
  Tad Eggleston: And with DC having moved to Burbank,
• 3:04
  Tad Eggleston: things kind of split, but then a lot of people discovered Portland.
• 3:09
  Tad Eggleston: And it became kind of the… the, the, the creator-chosen mecca?
• 3:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 3:17
  Tad Eggleston: Lots of people from Ohio out in Portland, people from Chicago out in Portland.
• 3:25
  Tad Eggleston: But I've noticed that there's kind of a smaller…
• 3:29
  Tad Eggleston: but very Portland-esque scene in Minneapolis as well. So…
• 3:36
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I like comic scenes in different cities in the U.S, and I need to discover more of them. It seems like they all have little… little scenes, and they're getting better at putting out
• 3:47
  Tad Eggleston: Like, Milwaukee has had their own independent con for, like, 4 years now.
• 3:52
  Marisol: I know.
• 3:55
  Tad Eggleston: Like, they're all… they're all starting to do, like, the… let's get the local creators together for the weekend so people can come see our wares.
• 4:04
  Tad Eggleston: And I want to go to more of those.
• 4:07
  Tad Eggleston: Because that's… that's where guys like the brothers started. You know, the brothers were doing cons.
• 4:14
  Tad Eggleston: You know, little… little tiny zine cons is where they were found by Phanographics.
• 4:21
  Marisol: I'm like…
• 4:22
  Tad Eggleston: I guess they also sent… sent their issue 1 up there, because they… they'd seen something else from Phanographics, but… but, like…
• 4:31
  Tad Eggleston: Phantographics and Drawn and Quarterly are, like, the… the…
• 4:39
  Tad Eggleston: The level of publisher that, like.
• 4:42
  Tad Eggleston: Scout those, those minicons, just looking for,
• 4:47
  Tad Eggleston: This person might be worth paying attention to.
• 4:50
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:52
  Tad Eggleston: It's always fun to find that… Random thing.
• 4:58
  Tad Eggleston: That's just really cool.
• 5:02
  Tad Eggleston: It's also where you find the most completely screwing around with the medium. You know, I've found comics that are… are…
• 5:09
  Tad Eggleston: like, Mobius strips?
• 5:11
  Tad Eggleston: Where it's like the… you go through it in circles that go inside and outside the paper. I've found comics that are… what are those things that you have?
• 5:22
  Tad Eggleston: in… in, like, elementary school, where… where… where they're folded into the… the four corners that you open… Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. …and pick the thing.
• 5:31
  Marisol: things. I've seen people make comics based on that, so it's like a choose-your-own-adventure comic and a little…
• 5:38
  Maria Pena: Sounds awesome.
• 5:40
  Tad Eggleston: It does.
• 5:41
  Tad Eggleston: But it's the type of thing that, like, happens way more with DIY than anybody, like, producing it, producing it.
• 5:49
  Maria Pena: It cost a fortune to produce, so… Yeah, as opposed to, like.
• 5:57
  Tad Eggleston: 20 bucks at Kinko's, and 20 hours of folding them all.
• 6:02
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 6:04
  Maria Pena: Well, and it's a very small run, so… Right, right.
• 6:07
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 6:08
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 6:09
  Tad Eggleston: So, anyway… Lovin' rockets…
• 6:13
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 6:13
  Tad Eggleston: For 3, I love this cover.
• 6:16
  Maria Pena: Yeah, great cover. Is it, like, Halloween-ish or something, or…
• 6:21
  Tad Eggleston: It kind of feels like that.
• 6:23
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 6:23
  Maria Pena: does.
• 6:26
  Tad Eggleston: I don't remember if there was anything that specifically makes it Halloween.
• 6:30
  Tad Eggleston: It does look like it came out in September.
• 6:33
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 6:34
  Tad Eggleston: fall-ish issue.
• 6:36
  Maria Pena: To me.
• 6:37
  Marisol: Yeah, I was gonna ask, when did this come out? Because maybe…
• 6:41
  Marisol: It is a Halloween issue without actually, you know, being.
• 6:44
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right. I love that.
• 6:47
  Maria Pena: the… The foreground silhouette, tree silhouette, and then, you know, the walking is very cinematic.
• 6:56
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 6:56
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so…
• 7:00
  Tad Eggleston: And then… then we've got our… our ad for a Vertigo comic.
• 7:05
  Tad Eggleston: because, that's what Betta was doing as well, because Beta was just working, like, Crazy at this time.
• 7:14
  Maria Pena: Of course, I think Natalia was young, so he was probably paying for diapers.
• 7:21
  Tad Eggleston: Neighbors are expensive. That's what I should ask him next time. You're… and I forget if it's in this one or in another, like, he has comics that involve Natalia as, like, a baby.
• 7:33
  Maria Pena: There is one in this way.
• 7:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's in this one, yeah.
• 7:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I don'.
• 7:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so I gotta wonder if, like, did you become insanely prolific because of the price of time?
• 7:44
  Maria Pena: I needed the money!
• 7:48
  Tad Eggleston: And I love that he was a co-winner of Time Magazine's Next Wave Innovators Storytellers.
• 7:57
  Tad Eggleston: I did not know that.
• 7:59
  Tad Eggleston: I'm certain he deserved it, and I kinda wonder who he co-won it with.
• 8:03
  Maria Pena: It may be hymen.
• 8:05
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, that's possible.
• 8:08
  Tad Eggleston: And then we've got a,
• 8:11
  Tad Eggleston: a frog mouth and Maggie story. I…
• 8:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 8:16
  Tad Eggleston: How haunting is this picture of, of.
• 8:19
  Maria Pena: Easy.
• 8:21
  Tad Eggleston: is Etho.
• 8:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I love that panel, I think that's.
• 8:24
  Tad Eggleston: naked with the fly swatter, and you can't see the top of her head or the bottom of her legs. It's just like…
• 8:33
  Marisol: From.
• 8:34
  Tad Eggleston: The nose to the knee.
• 8:36
  Maria Pena: She's just lit by a shaft of light.
• 8:39
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 8:39
  Maria Pena: I love the drop shadow behind her, it's great.
• 8:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 8:48
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah, no, I didn't even see the shadow behind her. Oh, wow, yeah.
• 8:53
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 8:54
  Maria Pena: So that's the…
• 8:55
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, that's good panel.
• 8:58
  Maria Pena: I'm kind of, you know, I have my eye on that one, yeah.
• 9:03
  Tad Eggleston: That's a crazy good panel.
• 9:07
  Tad Eggleston: And then, weird guy… Blown out air conditioner.
• 9:14
  Tad Eggleston: A different weird guy.
• 9:15
  Maria Pena: As a super in a…
• 9:20
  Marisol: Fixing everyone's problems.
• 9:23
  Tad Eggleston: Yep.
• 9:24
  Maria Pena: At and from what's being annoying.
• 9:28
  Maria Pena: Oh.
• 9:31
  Tad Eggleston: This Izzy is almost dishunting.
• 9:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 9:35
  Tad Eggleston: Is it… is he with the fan?
• 9:38
  Tad Eggleston: And the cigarette.
• 9:39
  Maria Pena: Just backlit.
• 9:41
  Tad Eggleston: And why isn't Izzy wearing any clothes? Is it just because it's hot, or is…
• 9:47
  Marisol: Maybe?
• 9:48
  Marisol: I'm never entirely sure nowadays with Izzy.
• 9:50
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, Izzy's…
• 9:52
  Marisol: Guys?
• 9:54
  Marisol: I like this angle of the old man.
• 9:57
  Tad Eggleston: with his cat.
• 9:59
  Tad Eggleston: Looking down, about the dog.
• 10:04
  Maria Pena: Yeah. The dog that he hasn't seen yet.
• 10:07
  Marisol: Just to restore exists.
• 10:10
  Maria Pena: And then it tells you…
• 10:11
  Tad Eggleston: It gives us the flashback, yeah.
• 10:14
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 10:15
  Marisol: There's a… there's a mythical dog in Salvadorian.
• 10:19
  Maria Pena: mythology called El Cadejo.
• 10:23
  Maria Pena: Which is, like, this devil dog. I don't know what it does, I can't remember anymore, but, you know, it's got, like, red eyes.
• 10:30
  Maria Pena: He appears to you at night in the, in the… In the countryside.
• 10:36
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 10:37
  Maria Pena: So that looks a bit like that. It's very spooky for me.
• 10:43
  Maria Pena: And Mrs. Galindo's the one that they all think it's, she's a witch, right?
• 10:47
  Marisol: Witch, right?
• 10:53
  Tad Eggleston: And it turns out that they're breaking in to the crazy boyfriend's house and pool.
• 10:58
  Marisol: Yep. Because of course they are.
• 11:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 11:01
  Maria Pena: Of course they are. Because that's what Frogmouth does, and then she goes and screws these other guy.
• 11:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, that, then, then,
• 11:10
  Tad Eggleston: Why can't I remember his name? We get his name, don't we?
• 11:18
  Tad Eggleston: Sid.
• 11:18
  Maria Pena: Reno, right?
• 11:19
  Tad Eggleston: Reno. Oh, yeah, the Reno. It's Sid's house.
• 11:23
  Maria Pena: See?
• 11:24
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, so, so yeah, Frogmass flirting with, with…
• 11:28
  Tad Eggleston: Maggie entirely, but then she goes into the house with Reno, and Maggie slips away, and when she comes back, Frogmouth's doing Reno, cause…
• 11:36
  Marisol: Yep.
• 11:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, that's fraud.
• 11:37
  Marisol: Scheduled.
• 11:38
  Maria Pena: That's what she does, yeah.
• 11:40
  Tad Eggleston: And then Sid comes home with his wife, so Maggie's like, I am outta here.
• 11:47
  Marisol: Yep, bye.
• 11:49
  Maria Pena: I love that, panel at the bottom of page 11, with easy, it's just see what I'm doing, and I'm cutting cantaloupe, what else? But she looks.
• 11:59
  Marisol: That might be my favorite one, just cause it's so…
• 12:04
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 12:04
  Marisol: So ominous, and…
• 12:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 12:06
  Marisol: Oh, like, Izzy, you were holding that knife like you're about to murder somebody, what are you doing?
• 12:12
  Marisol: No, just cutting up fruit. It's fine.
• 12:15
  Marisol: No problem. That's what I've been doing.
• 12:18
  Tad Eggleston: No, I also, like… the… The kid in the…
• 12:26
  Tad Eggleston: wind… in front of her in the car, and the old man looking through the window. I mean, this is definitely a…
• 12:35
  Tad Eggleston: an issue where Jaime just threw a ton of…
• 12:40
  Maria Pena: I mean, you, like…
• 12:41
  Tad Eggleston: You almost know that they're… well, I just mean that you almost know that every one of these characters is fully developed in his head.
• 12:48
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 12:49
  Tad Eggleston: just, like… Way, way too interesting.
• 12:57
  Tad Eggleston: Not to be.
• 13:01
  Maria Pena: But it's also, you know, like, he's… these women are getting looked at by all these guys.
• 13:07
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:08
  Maria Pena: It's just…
• 13:09
  Tad Eggleston: Definitely.
• 13:10
  Maria Pena: They'd be, you know, gawking at them.
• 13:12
  Maria Pena: And it's this oppressive thing, like…
• 13:15
  Maria Pena: when, Frogmouth is walking through the motel, and everybody's just, like, drooling.
• 13:21
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:22
  Maria Pena: then Maggie's the same, you know? They're the same. We've ended up… Presently being,
• 13:28
  Maria Pena: You know, sort of… Objectified, so it's… it's really interesting.
• 13:37
  Maria Pena: I mean, you know, nobody looks that easy that way, now that she walks around… It's mystery, but…
• 13:43
  Maria Pena: Maggie and Frogmouth, it's like, they're…
• 13:46
  Maria Pena: It's, like, promote this, like, me and Maggie or something.
• 13:51
  Maria Pena: And they've both been with race, so there's something about it.
• 13:57
  Maria Pena: I think they're, like, alter egos, in a way, I don't know.
• 14:01
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, there's definitely an element of that.
• 14:03
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 14:06
  Tad Eggleston: Then we've got the shadow of the dog.
• 14:10
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:11
  Marisol: ominous.
• 14:13
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I got it.
• 14:15
  Marisol: I love that shadow, how it's just extending out, but…
• 14:20
  Marisol: the body, at least to me, I don't know, the body looks much more solid and dark.
• 14:26
  Tad Eggleston: Than the, like, shadow of the legs do.
• 14:29
  Marisol: I think that's cool.
• 14:31
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 14:33
  Maria Pena: Oh, this story, man.
• 14:35
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 14:37
  Maria Pena: I was like… I didn't expect that, the ending list, so…
• 14:44
  Tad Eggleston: Well, I think it continues where each page is essentially a year.
• 14:49
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 14:50
  Marisol: Is that it?
• 14:53
  Marisol: I was confused at how quick this… Timeline went here.
• 15:00
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think that was part of the conceit.
• 15:03
  Maria Pena: each.
• 15:04
  Tad Eggleston: Page was a year.
• 15:08
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and the kids,
• 15:10
  Maria Pena: Oh, he's come back a hero and all this from the war, and then she goes.
• 15:16
  Tad Eggleston: Nice to see him.
• 15:16
  Maria Pena: Oh, man, and he's like…
• 15:19
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 15:21
  Maria Pena: That was, that was really like, oh, Jesus.
• 15:27
  Maria Pena: Included.
• 15:28
  Tad Eggleston: Well, in this, this last image with, with…
• 15:31
  Tad Eggleston: With her just walking away is just haunting.
• 15:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:37
  Maria Pena: Yes, like, all her hopes are dashed, and…
• 15:40
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 15:41
  Marisol: You had to see him come back.
• 15:44
  Marisol: Mutilated, essentially.
• 15:46
  Marisol: No arms, no legs, one eye missing.
• 15:51
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:51
  Marisol: That's up everywhere.
• 15:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 15:58
  Maria Pena: There we go that, huh?
• 16:00
  Maria Pena: We can't…
• 16:01
  Tad Eggleston: our tale of embezzlement and craziness.
• 16:07
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and sort of, corruption in the…
• 16:13
  Maria Pena: Manufacturing, you think?
• 16:15
  Maria Pena: Oh, that lady's big, man.
• 16:18
  Maria Pena: In the… in this month.
• 16:22
  Tad Eggleston: I like the monkey.
• 16:28
  Maria Pena: So that's that guy's wife, and she's got a big…
• 16:34
  Maria Pena: She's lost her husband, lost a kid.
• 16:40
  Tad Eggleston: They're mean to this kid here.
• 16:42
  Marisol: Yeah…
• 16:44
  Maria Pena: Yeah, they're like… We found you, and we stole your pants, and how are those shoes?
• 16:49
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Maria Pena: Not very nice.
• 16:52
  Marisol: No, it's just… why? Why are you like this? Leave him alone!
• 16:57
  Maria Pena: Give the poor thing back his pants!
• 17:01
  Maria Pena: And… Meanwhile, his daughter, and… Just trying to get…
• 17:11
  Maria Pena: The company to take some responsibility, nothing's happening.
• 17:15
  Tad Eggleston: I do love the old man on the chair on the butler's back.
• 17:21
  Maria Pena: Yeah, and he still looks very clean, the butler, you know, he's still got his tie on and everything.
• 17:26
  Tad Eggleston: I, I think, I think… well, he loosened it. He loosened it.
• 17:29
  Maria Pena: Yeah, oh yeah, it's rid loose, yeah.
• 17:32
  Tad Eggleston: Took off his sport coat.
• 17:35
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 17:36
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, there's only so far you can go as a butler.
• 17:40
  Maria Pena: This is true.
• 17:40
  Tad Eggleston: This is… this is… this is, like, slummin' it.
• 17:45
  Tad Eggleston: But I love the silhouette sliding down the mountain with the chair on his back.
• 17:50
  Tad Eggleston: Apologizing.
• 17:52
  Maria Pena: Sorry, sir.
• 17:55
  Marisol: Like, the… what a butler, Jesus. Protecting…
• 18:00
  Maria Pena: oil.
• 18:01
  Marisol: Carrying you in your chair, on his back.
• 18:06
  Maria Pena: Through the jungle.
• 18:08
  Marisol: Yes. Oh my god.
• 18:13
  Tad Eggleston: When I love, even in this last panel, you can see that he's still in the chair.
• 18:17
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 18:18
  Tad Eggleston: Can't see the butler at all. You can still see that he's still in the chair.
• 18:23
  Maria Pena: And I love that panel with the… with those tall sticks things.
• 18:27
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 18:29
  Maria Pena: The level of detail in that is just… Nuts.
• 18:33
  Maria Pena: And this is the thing, that Beto's doing all these different,
• 18:37
  Maria Pena: stories and stuff, and he still has time to put all these extra work, like, somebody else would have gone, fuck it, I'm just gonna, you know, just make this. But he's like, put all that extra in there. It's just mad.
• 18:56
  Tad Eggleston: And then we've got the high soft lisp.
• 19:01
  Maria Pena: So this is, when,
• 19:03
  Maria Pena: Petra and Fritz were teenagers. Teenagers. It looks like about 17 or something.
• 19:13
  Maria Pena: And.
• 19:16
  Marisol: One, two St. Jewish boys.
• 19:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah, there's… Victor already was a bit of a… Brown, growing up.
• 19:26
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 19:29
  Maria Pena: Man, she makes… Tell your family I'll fuck them up too, bitch.
• 19:37
  Maria Pena: And, yeah.
• 19:44
  Tad Eggleston: Brits is already, like…
• 19:48
  Maria Pena: It'll.
• 19:48
  Tad Eggleston: Anybody that'll pay attention.
• 19:51
  Maria Pena: Hmm…
• 19:52
  Marisol: Oh, Fritzy.
• 19:57
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 20:02
  Maria Pena: And this older guy gives her a lift home, thankfully doesn't take advantage.
• 20:07
  Maria Pena: And it's time to move again.
• 20:12
  Tad Eggleston: This is a great book.
• 20:14
  Maria Pena: Oh, that pretty… I love it, I got that, yeah.
• 20:17
  Tad Eggleston: Jessica Abel.
• 20:19
  Maria Pena: Every time I go to Mexico, I come back home, and I find it, like, I'm gonna read that again. There'll be some details, because it's all, you know, based in Mexico City.
• 20:30
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 20:31
  Maria Pena: And she's very faithful in her, you know.
• 20:35
  Maria Pena: Mind you, that was a long time ago, this thing.
• 20:38
  Maria Pena: This was funny.
• 20:41
  Tad Eggleston: I love this.
• 20:42
  Maria Pena: Roy and Stigmata get, get, get sort of… I don't know.
• 20:47
  Tad Eggleston: The neuterbank Primer.
• 20:50
  Maria Pena: lasered or something by this ship, and you know, at least I can see your eyes now, because they both have, you know.
• 20:56
  Maria Pena: Hair that covers their eyes. Obviously, they've lost all their hair.
• 21:02
  Tad Eggleston: I do love this Natalia short at the end.
• 21:05
  Maria Pena: Natalia one, yeah.
• 21:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, where, where, where the monster is, is, is… Sentient.
• 21:13
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 21:13
  Tad Eggleston: Initially, you say, you ain't so tough. Oh, oh, ow. Dear God. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, my God!
• 21:21
  Marisol: Oh my god.
• 21:22
  Tad Eggleston: So raw.
• 21:23
  Marisol: Cute.
• 21:25
  Maria Pena: Natalia's…
• 21:26
  Marisol: Going to town with it.
• 21:29
  Tad Eggleston: Natalia's being a typical toddler.
• 21:32
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 21:34
  Marisol: the toys around, as one does.
• 21:37
  Maria Pena: Mmm.
• 21:39
  Maria Pena: Yes, obviously, Beto saw her, you know, kind of destroying a toy, but it's still, like, a funny little story.
• 21:47
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Marisol: I mean, it's cute.
• 21:51
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, this was such a… this was…
• 21:53
  Tad Eggleston: A mostly fun… fun issue, though.
• 21:58
  Tad Eggleston: You know, you're starting to get some insight into Fritz and Petra.
• 22:05
  Maria Pena: - bye.
• 22:05
  Tad Eggleston: And where, where they come from.
• 22:11
  Tad Eggleston: Petra was definitely the more popular one when they were young.
• 22:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's just that vulnerable kind of… Fritz was… Right.
• 22:30
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 22:31
  Maria Pena: And of course, you know, she comes across as…
• 22:35
  Maria Pena: But we… I don't know, childlike because of a lisp, or whatever.
• 22:40
  Marisol: Right?
• 22:42
  Tad Eggleston: She would attract a certain type of guy.
• 22:46
  Tad Eggleston: Me for the unknown, the story itself is…
• 22:50
  Tad Eggleston: Kinda all over the place. It reminds me a lot of, like,
• 22:55
  Tad Eggleston: a low-budget action thriller, but man, does… does Beto draw the hell out of it.
• 23:04
  Maria Pena: Yes.
• 23:05
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 23:09
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I love that fat lady.
• 23:12
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 23:13
  Maria Pena: Mohawk Kid.
• 23:19
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 23:24
  Tad Eggleston: Are they on a houseboat?
• 23:28
  Marisol: Maybe?
• 23:32
  Marisol: I couldn't quite tell.
• 23:34
  Tad Eggleston: Well, this just looks kind of like a pier here. That definitely looks like water.
• 23:40
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I think if you look at the top left…
• 23:43
  Tad Eggleston: And the top, yeah, they're on a houseboat.
• 23:46
  Marisol: Hmm.
• 23:47
  Maria Pena: It's on the bank of the Bayou.
• 23:56
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 23:56
  Tad Eggleston: You can feel the Archie… Influence in some of these panels, too.
• 24:05
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that mouth isn't it as well.
• 24:07
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Fair enough.
• 24:08
  Maria Pena: Or when you come up.
• 24:09
  Tad Eggleston: Okay. Yeah.
• 24:11
  Marisol: Ugh.
• 24:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 24:15
  Maria Pena: I love that, that top left panel there that…
• 24:19
  Maria Pena: I love all the different textures it's got there. It's got the black, and it's got the foreground. That's kind of…
• 24:27
  Maria Pena: I think the foliage is, I gotta focus fully just…
• 24:31
  Marisol: My favorite Beto might be this 5-panel.
• 24:37
  Tad Eggleston: Just because the… the… You're right, the different textures in that first panel, the… the…
• 24:46
  Tad Eggleston: The action of the bottom two panels on the right.
• 24:51
  Tad Eggleston: And the expressions on the top two panels.
• 24:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah. Are just…
• 24:57
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, it's like, all the things that make great cartooning.
• 25:03
  Maria Pena: And then…
• 25:04
  Tad Eggleston: these 5 panels.
• 25:05
  Maria Pena: And even the bottom panel, like, it cuts back to, you know, what they're escaping from.
• 25:12
  Tad Eggleston: Right, right, where the gutter is used to change the scene.
• 25:18
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 25:19
  Tad Eggleston: This… this page.
• 25:21
  Tad Eggleston: is just…
• 25:24
  Marisol: It is a good one.
• 25:26
  Tad Eggleston: You could teach a class on this page.
• 25:30
  Maria Pena: Totally.
• 25:41
  Marisol: I'd have to say my favorite,
• 25:45
  Marisol: Where is it? I just had it. My favorite pedal is…
• 25:50
  Marisol: What age is this? 26, I think?
• 25:55
  Marisol: What Petra's kicking ass.
• 25:57
  Maria Pena: Oh yeah, that's good.
• 26:01
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 26:02
  Tad Eggleston: Both of them…
• 26:05
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 26:05
  Tad Eggleston: Or is one better than the other?
• 26:10
  Marisol: I like both of them, just cause…
• 26:12
  Tad Eggleston: The two ass-kicking panels?
• 26:15
  Marisol: Yeah, in the first one, you see the ferocity in… Petra attacking.
• 26:22
  Marisol: And all the lines around her, and her hair's blown back a bit.
• 26:27
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, for that matter, the four panels is also a master class, because it's like…
• 26:33
  Tad Eggleston: Here, you insulted me, and then we go from 0 to 60, to just pounding, to, wimpy little bitch.
• 26:47
  Marisol: Didn't even let her get one hidden.
• 26:49
  Tad Eggleston: Right. What a champion.
• 26:50
  Marisol: Right.
• 26:54
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Marisol: Yep.
• 26:55
  Tad Eggleston: And the guys in the background just going.
• 27:00
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, man. In all three panels. You've got at least one male in the background, looking on and going.
• 27:07
  Marisol: Whoa, yeah.
• 27:13
  Tad Eggleston: Remind me not to fuck with her.
• 27:18
  Maria Pena: in the second one.
• 27:19
  Marisol: Where she elbows the… the guy.
• 27:23
  Marisol: Who she's been talking with, right in the face.
• 27:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 27:27
  Marisol: Yeah, she's rearing back for another punch.
• 27:29
  Tad Eggleston: Who's trying to pull her off of him.
• 27:32
  Marisol: Yep.
• 27:34
  Tad Eggleston: So it may or may not even be an accident that she's elbowing him in the face.
• 27:39
  Maria Pena: Yeah, she's like, get off my ear.
• 27:42
  Maria Pena: I have a job to finish, get out of here!
• 27:45
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 27:46
  Tad Eggleston: Well, or she's just in such a frenzy, she doesn't know it's him.
• 27:50
  Tad Eggleston: Sure. I think it's one of the, you know…
• 27:54
  Tad Eggleston: At this point, it's like, yep, just another combatant.
• 28:07
  Maria Pena: My Beto panel would have to be… I guess, you know, I do love that.
• 28:13
  Maria Pena: That… that paddle would be…
• 28:15
  Maria Pena: The photograph of the guy in the chair, and all that, the first time alone.
• 28:21
  Maria Pena: but also that other panel that I mentioned with the… the tall…
• 28:28
  Maria Pena: sticks. I'm not sure whether that's supposed to be trees, or…
• 28:35
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I mean, except they're on the wrong continent, I think… I'd almost think that it was bamboo?
• 28:43
  Maria Pena: Well, there's no foliage whatsoever. Bamboo has foliage, so… I'm not sure, it looks very prehistoric.
• 28:51
  Marisol: anywhere, I think. It's also super invasive.
• 28:55
  Tad Eggleston: That's true.
• 28:57
  Maria Pena: Nice.
• 29:00
  Marisol: Can't get rid of it.
• 29:03
  Tad Eggleston: It's good for making paper, though.
• 29:05
  Marisol: -
• 29:08
  Tad Eggleston: So, like…
• 29:09
  Maria Pena: I just think the level of effort he went into.
• 29:12
  Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
• 29:13
  Maria Pena: Kennel.
• 29:13
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 29:15
  Maria Pena: Crazy.
• 29:17
  Maria Pena: And, you know, there's… even there's design in the distances between the horizontal lines on each thing, like, there's a pattern that's very pleasing to the eye. Like, it's not all the same distance.
• 29:31
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 29:31
  Maria Pena: as gaps, so you get a bit of a pattern of light and darkness. I mean, it's just great.
• 29:37
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 29:38
  Tad Eggleston: No, it's… it's… it's a really, really impressive.
• 29:42
  Tad Eggleston: panel.
• 29:46
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 29:47
  Maria Pena: And… Bye?
• 29:51
  Maria Pena: Okay, thanks.
• 29:52
  Tad Eggleston: So many good Jaime panels.
• 29:56
  Marisol: I know mine for sure is… Izzy with the knife cutting up kiddo.
• 30:04
  Maria Pena: Oh, he's done very well with the…
• 30:06
  Tad Eggleston: Cut… cutting cantaloupe. What do you think I was doing?
• 30:10
  Marisol: That's what I'd be doing?
• 30:12
  Tad Eggleston: Because everybody holds a knife that way when they're cutting cantaloupe.
• 30:16
  Maria Pena: No worries.
• 30:18
  Tad Eggleston: so well!
• 30:22
  Maria Pena: And that panel on the left of that… of the knife panel, I think it's really nice.
• 30:31
  Maria Pena: With the silhouette of Maggie in the motel, and everything's quiet.
• 30:36
  Maria Pena: That's quite nice.
• 30:39
  Tad Eggleston: Is that one yours, or…
• 30:41
  Maria Pena: Can be, yeah, because I really like the one with Izzy and the fly sweater, but I think you really like that one, so I'll give it to you.
• 30:50
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I haven't decided if that's gonna be my one.
• 30:53
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay. Well, if it's not that… that really…
• 30:57
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 30:58
  Maria Pena: I'll give you the Izzy and the fly sweater.
• 31:01
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 31:01
  Tad Eggleston: Because… Oh, I love that one, but I was still debating.
• 31:07
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 31:11
  Maria Pena: Yeah, I know that jumped at me, it was like…
• 31:13
  Tad Eggleston: I have a feeling that we're all gonna wind up with Izzy panels.
• 31:17
  Tad Eggleston: Yes. Yeah.
• 31:20
  Tad Eggleston: Because… because I think the one that is mine is the Izzy and the Fan.
• 31:26
  Maria Pena: Okay, yeah, hmm.
• 31:31
  Maria Pena: He's a star in this one, yeah.
• 31:33
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, so Izzy… Izzy's in, like, 5 panels, and 3 of them are the ones that we picked.
• 31:43
  Marisol: Ugh.
• 31:45
  Marisol: Hello?
• 31:46
  Maria Pena: The lonely panels, you know, like, when she's looking for Vivian, and she turns a corner, and there's this big wall, and a fire hydrant.
• 31:55
  Maria Pena: Hi, she's going on Vivian, and… Maggie's looking for Vivian.
• 32:01
  Maria Pena: And…
• 32:02
  Maria Pena: And the one with the motel, you know, there's something lovely about those really lonely panels. It makes you feeling a little bit lost, and…
• 32:11
  Maria Pena: Alone, so it's… he's always, you know, she has that…
• 32:16
  Maria Pena: It's part of who Maggie is, you know.
• 32:19
  Tad Eggleston: now.
• 32:20
  Maria Pena: Yeah, so it's… It's page 6.
• 32:24
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that top left.
• 32:27
  Marisol: No?
• 32:28
  Maria Pena: Six.
• 32:31
  Maria Pena: Top left. You learn their own, their own way, learn their own ways. No, page, page 6.
• 32:37
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 32:39
  Maria Pena: See that BBN title, top left?
• 32:42
  Tad Eggleston: Damn. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:44
  Maria Pena: Yeah, that's… like, there's so many little panels like that with Maggie, where she's…
• 32:50
  Maria Pena: Just alone in a big space.
• 32:52
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 32:53
  Maria Pena: And… hmm.
• 32:55
  Maria Pena: And I think, that's part of…
• 32:59
  Maria Pena: Maggie's kind of feeling a bit lost with everything.
• 33:03
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Tad Eggleston: So good.
• 33:09
  Maria Pena: Hmm.
• 33:10
  Tad Eggleston: So good.
• 33:11
  Tad Eggleston: Like, I'm impressed that we haven't fallen into Chris Farley show territory.
• 33:18
  Tad Eggleston: And 70-some-odd episodes of the Love & Rockets Book Club.
• 33:23
  Tad Eggleston: We wound up…
• 33:26
  Maria Pena: I was…
• 33:26
  Tad Eggleston: getting there with our third episode, talking about Jonah Hex on the Pulp Blotter book club, where it's like… and we just started the Chris Farley show, where it's like…
• 33:38
  Tad Eggleston: Maggie, shouting in the distance.
• 33:43
  Tad Eggleston: That was cool.
• 33:45
  Tad Eggleston: Remember that time where you're on the corner?
• 33:49
  Tad Eggleston: By the fire hydrant?
• 33:52
  Tad Eggleston: And he called for Vivian?
• 33:54
  Tad Eggleston: That was awesome!
• 34:00
  Tad Eggleston: Maria, do you have a Saturday Night Live background at all, or did that not reach you in Australia?
• 34:09
  Maria Pena: No, not really. I mean, it's… we know about it, but, you know, I think, you know, you stay
• 34:17
  Maria Pena: enough.
• 34:17
  Tad Eggleston: One…
• 34:18
  Maria Pena: Somebody must have it on, but…
• 34:19
  Tad Eggleston: Probably the two… the two bits that Chris Farley was best known for were… Van down by the river.
• 34:27
  Tad Eggleston: Where he's a motivational speaker, who, like, he would talk about, like, don't behave like this, or you'll wind up like me, living in a van down by the river.
• 34:39
  Tad Eggleston: But then the other was the Chris Farley show, where he'd have people on and, like.
• 34:45
  Tad Eggleston: at, like, Paul McCartney was on, and there was… one of the questions he asked was,
• 34:51
  Tad Eggleston: Remember that time when there was all that stuff, and, like, we played the record backwards, and stuff in the pictures, and everybody thought you were dead?
• 35:03
  Maria Pena: Oh, God.
• 35:04
  Tad Eggleston: Paul's like…
• 35:06
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah… well, you… you weren't really dead, were you? No, no, Chris, I'm… I'm… Oh, I'm so stupid! Oh, no, it's okay, Chris!
• 35:16
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 35:19
  Tad Eggleston: You know… He'd ask people if they'd seen the Terminator.
• 35:24
  Maria Pena: Whether they were in it or not, just because it was awesome.
• 35:29
  Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
• 35:31
  Tad Eggleston: So…
• 35:32
  Maria Pena: Just making conversation, like…
• 35:34
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Well, just like he, he, essentially the, the, the… the…
• 35:40
  Tad Eggleston: conceit was he'd get so starstruck that all he could do was tell them about the things that he thought were awesome, rather than… rather than actually, like, ask questions.
• 35:56
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I think the first… the first question to Paul McCartney was, remember when you were in the Beatles? Yeah, yeah, Chris, I do. That was awesome!
• 36:08
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 36:11
  Tad Eggleston: And Chris Farley being Chris Farley, he sold it so much better than I do.
• 36:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, I can't think of anybody else that would have sold that bit the way he did.
• 36:22
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 36:23
  Tad Eggleston: But.
• 36:24
  Maria Pena: Okay.
• 36:24
  Tad Eggleston: But like I said, I sometimes think that one of the greatest strengths of Love and Rockets is that we're 70-some-odd issues in, and we find new and interesting things
• 36:34
  Tad Eggleston: to say, rather than just, like, Jaime and Gilbert, good.
• 36:39
  Maria Pena: Yep. I hope so, yeah.
• 36:42
  Tad Eggleston: I think so.
• 36:43
  Marisol: I feel like the conversations…
• 36:46
  Tad Eggleston: have something.
• 36:49
  Tad Eggleston: to them still.
• 36:52
  Tad Eggleston: I haven't found myself bored. I hope you guys haven't.
• 36:56
  Marisol: Huh, absolutely not. There's…
• 36:58
  Marisol: There's always something new, I think, to talk about with each issue. Yes, the artwork is amazing. Yes, the story is, like, fun, or sad, or very relatable in many instances.
• 37:15
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and we haven't gotten deep into it yet, but I feel like we will soon. This new Responsible Maggie.
• 37:22
  Tad Eggleston: is…
• 37:23
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Tad Eggleston: And part of it being weird is you can tell that she's still, like… Not feeling 100%
• 37:34
  Tad Eggleston: It's like she fell into this role where she has a job and responsibilities, and she does it.
• 37:44
  Maria Pena: Yep.
• 37:44
  Tad Eggleston: But you're not certain that even she knows quite how it happened?
• 37:49
  Tad Eggleston: We certainly didn't see… we didn't see her apply for a job, we didn't, suddenly she was just an apartment manager.
• 37:55
  Tad Eggleston: So, you know, all of that happened off-screen, but, like, there's… there's almost a,
• 38:03
  Tad Eggleston: almost a feeling that it happened off-screen for Maggie, too.
• 38:07
  Marisol: Yeah.
• 38:08
  Maria Pena: Right. But she woke up and she found herself in.
• 38:12
  Tad Eggleston: You know,
• 38:16
  Tad Eggleston: I mean, we commented some on it in the last couple of issues, where she was at the bar talking to Hopi, and, like, you could tell that, like.
• 38:25
  Tad Eggleston: She's like, wait a minute, Hopi's a bartender and whatnot, and I'm…
• 38:32
  Tad Eggleston: I'm the sad person at the bar? How did this happen?
• 38:36
  Maria Pena: The butterfly.
• 38:37
  Tad Eggleston: Right?
• 38:39
  Marisol: Oh, man.
• 38:40
  Tad Eggleston: And all this comes to me because I'm looking at this panel, Bottom of page 6.
• 38:46
  Tad Eggleston: Just the way she looks as she's taking her first sip from the drink.
• 38:52
  Maria Pena: Yeah.
• 38:54
  Marisol: Where it's like, oh yeah.
• 38:56
  Tad Eggleston: I'm at this party.
• 38:58
  Tad Eggleston: That seems to just be me.
• 39:01
  Tad Eggleston: But there's booze.
• 39:02
  Maria Pena: This girl is hidden.
• 39:05
  Tad Eggleston: Why are you apologizing to me?
• 39:08
  Marisol: Yep.
• 39:12
  Maria Pena: That's another thing, like…
• 39:14
  Maria Pena: that before, there were all these men gawking at her, at both of them. Now… now she's thought, Frogmouth.
• 39:23
  Maria Pena: Kind of objectifying her, you know, it's just… poor me.
• 39:32
  Maria Pena: It's just, like, this sort of object of lust for everyone.
• 39:36
  Tad Eggleston: Well, and it's also kind of weird that, like, just as she starts to figure out that Frogmouth is lusting at her, and she kind of thinks about it, and as she flirts a little bit with
• 39:52
  Tad Eggleston: Reno… I mean, that's a very flirtatious smile there.
• 39:58
  Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
• 39:59
  Tad Eggleston: But then, like, she goes and looks at the exercise equipment and the weird room, and when she comes back from the weird room, it's like.
• 40:07
  Tad Eggleston: Oh.
• 40:09
  Maria Pena: I guess they're gonna do each other rather than me. Yeah, right.
• 40:15
  Maria Pena: She ends up, yeah… Alone, and, like, okay.
• 40:21
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 40:24
  Maria Pena: And no Hopi, which is the…
• 40:26
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 40:27
  Maria Pena: Which was the motivation, too.
• 40:29
  Tad Eggleston: Right. Hopi's gonna be here. Yeah, right.
• 40:35
  Tad Eggleston: And actually, I just noticed that you can see them starting in the background here.
• 40:41
  Maria Pena: Oh, yay.
• 40:41
  Marisol: Yep.
• 40:42
  Maria Pena: Taking her out.
• 40:44
  Marisol: Through the open door.
• 40:46
  Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
• 40:48
  Tad Eggleston: So, so, like…
• 40:50
  Tad Eggleston: They didn't even, like, let her get completely out of the room before they got at it.
• 40:56
  Maria Pena: There.
• 41:00
  Tad Eggleston: Just… crazy.
• 41:07
  Tad Eggleston: The shadows are really great.
• 41:12
  Tad Eggleston: Both of them had lots of fun with Shadows this issue.
• 41:22
  Tad Eggleston: That's an awfully ominous-looking swimming pool.
• 41:25
  Marisol: Yes.
• 41:26
  Maria Pena: Zach.
• 41:30
  Maria Pena: Peter's… Peter's Hill.
• 41:32
  Tad Eggleston: Right.
• 41:39
  Tad Eggleston: Ugh… Alright. Well, I think that's… I think that's a good one.
• 41:44
  Tad Eggleston: We shouldn't… we shouldn't push just to push. I just… I noticed other things, because we were on this page, and that made me look at…
• 41:51
  Tad Eggleston: This very tired-looking Maggie down in the corner.
• 41:57
  Tad Eggleston: So, anyway… For Maria and Marisol, this has been the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 panels.
• 42:06
  Tad Eggleston: And we will see you… After the next… Page. Oh my god, no.