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Halloween Week: Halloween Eve Murder of Martha Moxley · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Already back for more, I see. You were given the
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  Speaker 1: taste for wicked tales. And here you are on day
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  Speaker 1: two and you're already thirsting for the next episode. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I can't blame you. Halloween week is like no other
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  Speaker 1: time of year. So enjoy it while you can. My
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  Speaker 1: friends from all over the world, my name is Jacko,
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  Speaker 1: and I am your master of ceremonies through these seven days.
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  Speaker 1: And yesterday, it started with a bang. The story known
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  Speaker 1: as Death House is no laughing matter, and I cannot
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  Speaker 1: wait to see what is in store for you today.
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  Speaker 1: I do hope you are ready for this next grim tale,
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  Speaker 1: as it is about to begin. So grab your drink,
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  Speaker 1: your snack. and lock your doors. And let me introduce
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  Speaker 1: you to your hosts of Wicked and Grim and the
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  Speaker 1: very beings who breathe life into these incredible tales. Here
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  Speaker 1: they are for day two of Halloween week, Ben and Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: Day two, baby, we're here.
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  Speaker 3: We are here.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm curious if our voices have improved today. I'm
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  Speaker 2: feeling better. I think Nicole's feeling a little better too.
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  Speaker 3: I'm feeling better. Yes. I don't know if the voice
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  Speaker 3: is there yet.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get there.
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  Speaker 3: We're getting there.
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  Speaker 2: By the end of Halloween week, it'll be like perfect.
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  Speaker 3: I know. I'm so excited. Well, okay. I'm excited for
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  Speaker 3: that just to like feel better, but also I don't
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  Speaker 3: want the end of Halloween week to be here yet. So.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we've got six more days, so we can still
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  Speaker 2: enjoy it to say the least.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I freaking love Jacko.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he's the best.
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  Speaker 3: He literally is the best.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. Some of the comments we get
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  Speaker 2: too from people being like, I can't wait for Jacko
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  Speaker 2: to be back. Oh my God, welcome back, Jacko. And
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  Speaker 2: it's so awesome to see that there's just that love
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  Speaker 2: for him out there. You know, it's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, when you're that cool.
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  Speaker 2: When you're that cool. I mean, we can't ask for
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  Speaker 2: a better master of ceremonies, to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just say that.
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  Speaker 3: No, we can't.
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  Speaker 2: And I actually do want to say one little thing.
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  Speaker 2: We have, I believe it was last year or the
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  Speaker 2: year before, we have shared an entire episode on Jacko's
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  Speaker 2: backstory over on Patreon. So if you are curious about
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  Speaker 2: his story and you are thinking about signing up on Patreon, well,
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  Speaker 2: maybe it might be the reason to get you over
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  Speaker 2: there to check out his entire backstory, who he is,
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  Speaker 2: where he comes from, because it's all covered there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was awesome, actually.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I forgot about that.
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  Speaker 2: But I have another good tale for you today.
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  Speaker 1: Do you? I do.
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  Speaker 2: This one, though, I am going to say one thing.
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  Speaker 2: It takes place... On Halloween Eve. Ooh. I was tempted
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  Speaker 2: to actually do this one on Halloween Eve, but just
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  Speaker 2: specifically considering the fact that it deals with someone's murder,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, let's not do it right on their
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of the entire situation. So there's a reason why
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  Speaker 2: I didn't save it for that day is all I'm clarifying.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. That sounds fair.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're ready, we can get into the story
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  Speaker 2: of the Halloween Eve murder of Martha Moxley.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Martha Elizabeth Moxley was born on August 16, 1960,
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  Speaker 2: in San Francisco, California, to John David Moxley and Dorothy Moxley.
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  Speaker 2: She grew up alongside her older brother, John Moxley, in
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  Speaker 2: a pretty financially comfortable household. Her father was a successful
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  Speaker 2: accountant who eventually became the head of New York office
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  Speaker 2: of Touche Ross, who was one of the country's major
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  Speaker 2: accounting firms. In the summer of 1974, David's career brought
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  Speaker 2: the family across the country from Piedmont, California to Greenwich, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 2: an affluent town approximately 30 miles northeast of Manhattan. They
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  Speaker 2: settled in Bellhaven, an exclusively gated neighborhood known for its
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  Speaker 2: enormous homes, private properties, and wealthy residents. Now, despite California
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  Speaker 2: being left behind, Martha adjusted quite quickly. She was outgoing, athletic,
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  Speaker 2: and friendly with a natural ability to make friends. By
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  Speaker 2: the August of 1975, she was a sophomore at Greenwich
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  Speaker 2: High School, where she had developed a very large social circle.
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  Speaker 2: Her friends included Tori Holland and Richard Burns, and they
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  Speaker 2: remembered her as very cheerful, confident, and particularly outgoing compared
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  Speaker 2: to many of the other reserved teenagers in Greenwich. Martha
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed things like swimming, tennis, spending time at Bellhaven Club
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  Speaker 2: and even being home with her family and her pet cat, particularly,
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  Speaker 2: who was named Tiger. But among her new friends were
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  Speaker 2: two brothers living directly across the street who were members
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  Speaker 2: of the Skakel family, who were extraordinarily wealthy, having made
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  Speaker 2: their fortune through the Great Lakes Carbon Corporation. The family's patriarch,
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  Speaker 2: Rushton Walter Skakel, was also the brother of Ethel Skakel Kennedy,
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  Speaker 2: whose husband, Robert F. Kennedy, had been assassinated in 1968. Now,
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  Speaker 2: Rushton had seven children, including 17-year-old Thomas Skakel and 15-year-old
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  Speaker 2: Michael Skakel. Their mother, Anne Reynolds Skakel, had died of
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  Speaker 2: cancer in 1973, and following her death, Rushton struggled with
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  Speaker 2: alcohol and frequently traveled, leaving much of the children's supervision
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  Speaker 2: to the household employees. So, the Skakel residence became a
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  Speaker 2: popular gathering place for the neighborhood teenagers, including Martha. Both
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  Speaker 2: Thomas and Michael appeared to be romantically interested in her,
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  Speaker 2: although their affection wasn't always welcome. Martha even documented some
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  Speaker 2: of these interactions in her own diary. On September 12th, 1975,
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  Speaker 2: she described an evening driving around with the brothers, during
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  Speaker 2: which Thomas repeatedly placed his hand on her knee. And
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  Speaker 2: about a week later, on September 19th, Martha complained about
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  Speaker 2: Michael's behavior. He'd reportedly been drinking heavily and accused her
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  Speaker 2: of a encouraging Thomas's romantic interests without genuinely liking him.
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  Speaker 2: Martha disagreed and expressed frustration with Michael, writing that she
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  Speaker 2: needs to stop spending so much time at the Skakel house. Nevertheless,
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  Speaker 2: she continued socializing with the family. On October 4th, Martha
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  Speaker 2: attended a dance at Sacred Heart, where Thomas repeatedly put
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  Speaker 2: his arm around her and made romantic advances, and she
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  Speaker 2: complained about his behavior in another diary entry. By late October, though,
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  Speaker 2: The teenagers of Belhaven, they were preparing for Halloween. The
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  Speaker 2: night before Halloween, in fact, was locally known as Mischief
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  Speaker 2: Night here. It was traditionally spent playing pranks all around
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  Speaker 2: the neighborhood. And by pranks, I'm talking things like egging
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  Speaker 2: homes and toilet papering trees. You know, the classics that
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  Speaker 2: you can really think of. Martha had recently been grounded
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  Speaker 2: for staying out too late, though, but her mother reluctantly
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  Speaker 2: agreed to let her go out with friends on Thursday,
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  Speaker 2: October 30th, 1975. So Martha headed out and spent mischief
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  Speaker 2: night with her friends. Martha's father, John David Moxley, was
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  Speaker 2: away on business in Atlanta, leaving her mother, Georgia, and
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  Speaker 2: her older brother, John, at home. Now across the street,
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  Speaker 2: Rushton Skakel was away on a hunting trip in upstate
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  Speaker 2: New York, leaving his seven children under supervision of household employees.
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  Speaker 2: And that evening, 24-year-old Kenneth Littleton had arrived to begin
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  Speaker 2: working at the Skakel family home as a live-in tutor.
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth had previously taught science and coached sports at Brunswick School,
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  Speaker 2: which several other brothers had attended. At approximately 8.45 to
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  Speaker 2: 9 p.m., Martha arrived at the Skakel residence with friends,
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  Speaker 2: including Helen Icks and Jeffrey Burns. They were greeted by
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  Speaker 2: 15-year-old Michael Skakel, and the group climbed into a Lincoln
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  Speaker 2: parked in the driveway to listen to music. Martha initially
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  Speaker 2: sat beside Michael in the front seat. Shortly afterwards, 17-year-old
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Skakel joined them too, sitting on her other side.
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  Speaker 2: Thomas then soon began flirting with Martha, reportedly placing his
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  Speaker 2: hand on her knee. According to accounts of that evening,
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  Speaker 2: Martha pushed his hand away though. Now, although the teenagers
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  Speaker 2: continued talking and listening to music, it seemed to continue
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  Speaker 2: that way. Then at around 9.30pm, two older Skakel brothers,
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  Speaker 2: Rushton Skakel Jr. and John Skakel, came outside because they
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  Speaker 2: needed the Lincoln. They planned to drive their cousin James
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  Speaker 2: Terrian home, and they were intending to watch Monty Python's
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  Speaker 2: Flying Circus afterwards. So everyone was asked to get out
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  Speaker 2: of the car. Michael reportedly decided to accompany his brothers
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  Speaker 2: and cousin on this ride. He invited Martha along too,
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  Speaker 2: but she declined, remaining behind with Thomas and her other friends.
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  Speaker 2: As the others prepared to leave, the flirting between Thomas
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  Speaker 2: and Martha continued. Witnesses described them laughing even and pushing
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  Speaker 2: up against each other, even becoming increasingly physical through it all.
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  Speaker 2: And at one point, even Thomas reportedly pushed Martha down
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  Speaker 2: a bit while he fell on top of her clumsily.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's like a movie scene almost.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Their friends... soon became a little uncomfortable watching this
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  Speaker 2: mushy interaction, and so they decided to leave the two alone.
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  Speaker 2: And as they walked away, they saw Martha and Thomas
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  Speaker 2: together near the fence surrounding the Skakel family's swimming pool.
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  Speaker 2: It was approximately 9.30 p.m., and this was the last
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  Speaker 2: confirmed sighting of Martha that evening. Now, inside the Skakel residence,
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth Littleton was watching TV. According to his account, the
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  Speaker 2: family's housekeeper, Mrs. Watson, approached him at around 9.45 p.m.
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  Speaker 2: after hearing an unusual noise outside her window. Kenneth reportedly
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  Speaker 2: checked whether the older Skakel boys were home before investigating
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  Speaker 2: the noise. He claimed Thomas, Michael, John, and Rushton Jr.
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  Speaker 2: were all absent, but found nothing suspicious outside either. Then
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  Speaker 2: Kenneth later placed Thomas inside the house watching TV with
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  Speaker 2: him at approximately 10.25pm that night, although accounts of this
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  Speaker 2: exact time, from what I could find, differ a little bit. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 2: Dorothy was at home, having spent part of the evening
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  Speaker 2: painting her bedroom window. She recalled hearing a loud young
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  Speaker 2: male voice outside and turning on the exterior light to investigate,
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  Speaker 2: but she couldn't see anything. Neighborhood dogs reportedly began barking
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  Speaker 2: at around the same period, and by approximately 11.20pm, Martha
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  Speaker 2: still hadn't returned home. Then when her brother John arrived,
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  Speaker 2: Dorothy asked him to drive around the neighborhood, looking for her.
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  Speaker 2: But he returned without finding anything. After midnight, Dorothy checked
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  Speaker 2: Martha's bedroom. She's looking for her daughter, and she discovered
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  Speaker 2: that her bed was empty. so she began calling people
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  Speaker 2: who might know where her daughter had gone. At the
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  Speaker 2: Skakel residence, Julie Skakel answered the phone call, and she
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  Speaker 2: asked Thomas whether she knew where Martha was. Thomas said
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  Speaker 2: that last he had seen Martha was around 9.30 p.m.,
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  Speaker 2: before returning inside to work on an assignment that he
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  Speaker 2: had about Abraham Lincoln. As the early morning hours passed,
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  Speaker 2: Dorothy became increasingly concerned about her daughter's whereabouts. And at
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  Speaker 2: around 3.30am, she reportedly sent John searching again before contacting
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  Speaker 2: the Greenwich police. When daylight arrived on Friday, October 31st,
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  Speaker 2: Halloween morning, Martha was still missing. Dorothy crossed the street
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  Speaker 2: to the Skakel residence, where Michael answered the door, and
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  Speaker 2: he told her that Martha wasn't there and that he
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  Speaker 2: hadn't seen her since the previous evening. During that conversation,
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  Speaker 2: Dorothy thought he looked unwell, almost hungover in fact. but
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  Speaker 2: he offered no information about where Martha might be. By
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  Speaker 2: late that morning, friends and neighbors were helping search the area.
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  Speaker 2: Martha had now been missing for more than 12 hours.
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  Speaker 2: Then shortly before noon on Friday, October 31st, 1975, 15-year-old
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  Speaker 2: Sheila McGuire was walking across the wooded portion of the
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  Speaker 2: Moxley family's property in Bellhaven. Sheila was friends of Martha
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  Speaker 2: and she was planning to go visit her. But as
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  Speaker 2: Sheila approached a large pine tree, approximately 60 meters from
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  Speaker 2: the house, she noticed something lying beneath its low hanging branches.
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  Speaker 2: At first, she thought it looked like a sleeping bag
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  Speaker 2: resting on a foam mattress. But as she got closer,
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  Speaker 2: she realized it wasn't that at all. What she was
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  Speaker 2: looking at was Martha. Martha was lying partially concealed beneath
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  Speaker 2: the tree, her body covered in blood. Her jeans and
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  Speaker 2: underwear had been pulled down around her ankles, and her
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  Speaker 2: blonde hair was so heavily stained with blood that its
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  Speaker 2: natural color was almost impossible to distinguish. Sheila immediately ran
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  Speaker 2: to the Moxley residence to tell them what she had
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  Speaker 2: just found. A family member accompanied her back there, where
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  Speaker 2: they confirmed that Martha was dead. Greenwich police were notified,
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  Speaker 2: and officers arrived to examine the scene. Two of the
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  Speaker 2: first responding officers were were Officer Hickman and Officer Jones,
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  Speaker 2: and their arrival marked the beginning of what would become
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  Speaker 2: a very complicated investigation, made even more difficult by questions
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  Speaker 2: about how the original scene was handled. You see, several
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  Speaker 2: people approached or handled Martha's remains before investigators had completed
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  Speaker 2: their documentation. In fact, some accounts even alleged that her
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  Speaker 2: body was moved three times, and that a dog was
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  Speaker 2: even allowed to lick some blood from the surrounding grass
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  Speaker 2: and leaves, which meant a contaminated crime scene. Now among
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  Speaker 2: the investigators examining Martha's body was Greenwich detective Steve Carroll,
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  Speaker 2: who described an exceptionally violent attack. He found that Martha
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  Speaker 2: had suffered extensive injuries to her head and face, with
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  Speaker 2: substantial bleeding. Detective Carroll recalled that her hair was so
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  Speaker 2: saturated with blood, they couldn't even tell that she was
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  Speaker 2: blonde at first. But investigators also noticed that the blood
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  Speaker 2: was not confined to the area just beneath the pine tree.
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  Speaker 2: A path of flattened grass and disturbed vegetation extended outwards
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  Speaker 2: from Martha's body towards the driveway, and bloodstains followed that route,
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  Speaker 2: leading investigators to a large concentration of blood near the
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  Speaker 2: edge of the driveway. The blood there was described as
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  Speaker 2: thick and particularly coagulated, suggesting that Martha had suffered serious
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  Speaker 2: injuries in that location. The disturbed grass and blood trail
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  Speaker 2: indicated that she had been dragged from the driveway area
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  Speaker 2: to the pine tree, where her body was discovered. Police
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  Speaker 2: soon began searching the surrounding grounds for a weapon, and
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  Speaker 2: near the suspected location of the attack, investigators recovered the
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  Speaker 2: blood-stained metal head of a golf club, approximately 50 feet
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  Speaker 2: from the driveway area. There were several broken pieces of
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  Speaker 2: the club's shaft that were also recovered from property. The
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  Speaker 2: weapon was identified as as a Tony Penna six-iron golf club,
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  Speaker 2: which had shattered during the assault. One portion of the club, though,
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  Speaker 2: described as the handle or an approximate foot-long section of
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  Speaker 2: the shaft, well, it remained missing. But investigators continued searching
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  Speaker 2: for that fragment while the recovered pieces were collected for examination.
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  Speaker 2: By approximately 5 p.m., the Connecticut State Police Mobile Crime
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  Speaker 2: Laboratory had arrived to assist with processing the scene. Martha's
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  Speaker 2: body was subsequently transported to the Greenwich Hospital morgue for
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  Speaker 2: a post-mortem examination, and the examination there revealed the extent
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  Speaker 2: of her injuries. Martha had suffered multiple severe blows to
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  Speaker 2: the head, resulting in extensive lacerations and skull fractures consistent
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  Speaker 2: with repeated impacts from this golf club as a weapon.
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  Speaker 2: She had also suffered a penetrating puncture wound to the
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  Speaker 2: right side of her neck, According to descriptions of the examination,
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  Speaker 2: a pointed piece of the shattered golf club shaft had
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  Speaker 2: been driven through her neck and airway with enough force
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  Speaker 2: to carry strands of her blonde hair into the wound.
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  Speaker 2: Blood was reportedly discovered within her lungs as well, indicating
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  Speaker 2: that she had been still breathing when this neck injury occurred.
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  Speaker 2: But although the physical evidence suggested that Martha had been
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  Speaker 2: struck repeatedly before being stabbed, the examination could not establish
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  Speaker 2: the exact sequence of her injuries. And despite the condition
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  Speaker 2: of her clothing, investigators found no medical evidence establishing that
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  Speaker 2: she had been raped. Subsequent toxicology testing also reportedly detected
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  Speaker 2: no alcohol or drugs in her system. So the circumstances
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  Speaker 2: raised the possibility of sexual motivated attack, but investigators unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: couldn't establish the attacker's intentions. Meanwhile, the recovered golf club, well,
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  Speaker 2: it provided a very important lead, and detectives began examining
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  Speaker 2: nearby homes and properties to try and identify the owner
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  Speaker 2: of this weapon. Now, across the street at the Skakel residence,
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  Speaker 2: the officers discovered a matching set of Tony Pena golf clubs,
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  Speaker 2: and they belonged to Anna Reynolds Skakel, the family's mother
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  Speaker 2: who had died two years earlier. And from the set
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  Speaker 2: of golf clubs in that home, Well, the six iron
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  Speaker 2: was missing.
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  Speaker 3: Of course it was. Yep. Oh my goodness. Okay. Because
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  Speaker 3: right away I was like, this could be quite easy
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  Speaker 3: to solve if like the people didn't get rid of
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  Speaker 3: the rest of clubs because clubs come in like a
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  Speaker 3: set and.
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  Speaker 2: They often come in sets.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can have mismatched and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, you can. But I feel like this neighborhood is
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  Speaker 3: pretty privileged and high class, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wealthy. And so they're probably going to have top of
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  Speaker 3: the line shit.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and irons, the one thing too is irons generally
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  Speaker 2: come in sets. Even if you buy high end irons,
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  Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff. Cause you can buy like, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: lower end beginner sets that come with everything. But even
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  Speaker 2: if you're like top of the line, buying the good stuff,
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  Speaker 2: irons come in sets. You get, you know, your seven,
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  Speaker 2: you're eight, you're nine, all the irons in your set together.
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  Speaker 2: Missing one, well, that's pretty damning.
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  Speaker 3: And I just feel like, of course, it would be
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  Speaker 3: people like that or kids, teenagers like that, that wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: even freaking think about this. Yeah. Like the outcome, like
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  Speaker 3: just complete idiots, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: Well, there is something to say that they're not the
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  Speaker 2: dumbest of dumb. I will give them one little shred
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  Speaker 2: of credit here because the clubs reportedly had Anne's name
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  Speaker 2: engraved on the handles, which made, you know, it very
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  Speaker 2: clear that it belonged to the set or not.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But if you remember, there was one piece of that
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  Speaker 2: shaft that was missing that they could not find.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the piece that was missing, the engraved section.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we still don't, I guess, exactly know here
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  Speaker 3: what's happened. But also, how dare you use your deceased
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  Speaker 3: mother's clubs? I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: To kill someone?
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  Speaker 3: That also is really disturbing to me. And- The way
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  Speaker 3: that Martha was killed. Holy shit.
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  Speaker 2: It was a brutal murder to say the least. That
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  Speaker 2: is not kind.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah. The fact that they couldn't even tell what
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: color her hair was. Yeah.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So stained with blood. It paints a very vivid picture.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Now, the clubs though, there is a problem with this
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: because it sounds pretty damning. It's like, okay, you know what?
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Clearly someone from this family took the clubs, murdered this girl, right? Well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the clubs were reportedly kept in an area in the
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: house in which people outside the immediate family could actually
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: have access to them. You have to remember there's also
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: staff here at this home too, which meant establishing ownership
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of these clubs did not identify the person who took
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: the six iron and committed the murder. Not even took
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: it and committed the murder. Someone could have taken the
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: club and then someone else could have gotten a hold
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: of the club and then committed the murder.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: So just because you linked the club to the home
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean you linked the home to the murderer.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: But also the one boy was the last one with her.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: He was. Now on Tuesday, November 4th, approximately 500 people
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: gathered for Martha's funeral. And as her family and friends mourned,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: detectives continued examining the evidence and interviewing the teenagers who
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: had spent time with Martha on Thursday evening. And the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: investigation was now concentrating on the household directly across the street.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Detectives initially concentrated on 17-year-old Thomas Skakel, the last person
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: known to have been seen with Martha. Now, Thomas told
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: police that after spending time with Martha and their friends
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: in the family's Lincoln, everybody had gotten out around 9.30 p.m.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: He acknowledged to remaining outside with Martha briefly about, you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: that evening, and he claimed, though, that he left shortly afterwards. convenient.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And according to Thomas, he just returned inside, watched TV,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and worked on his Abraham Lincoln assignment. So, investigators contacted
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: his school to verify that explanation. And in doing so,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: they discovered something. No teacher had assigned such a paper
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: on Abraham Lincoln. This raised questions about Thomas' whereabouts, particularly
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: because police initially estimated that Martha had been attacked between 9.30
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and 10 p.m. an estimate that was partly based on
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood dogs barking around that same time, rather than
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: an exact medical determination, though. But Thomas agreed to undergo
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: two different polygraph examinations in total. His first was reportedly inconclusive,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: while his second, administered on November 9th, indicated that he
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: passed with no indication of lying. Now, another important witness
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: was Kenneth Littleton, the Skakel family's newly hired tutor. Kenneth
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: maintained that he had spent much of the evening watching TV,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and he also described investigating a noise outside after being
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: approached by the housekeeper, Miss Watson. Kenneth also claimed Thomas
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: eventually joined him to watch TV, although accounts differ about
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: whether that occurred shortly after 10 or closer to 10.30.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: If you recall, I said I couldn't find the exact time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: But he reportedly noticed something, well, nothing unusual, I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: about Thomas' appearance or behavior that night. Investigators also questioned
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: 15-year-old Michael Skakel. Michael maintained that he had left the
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: property around 9.30pm with his older brothers and cousin Jimmy.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: They then traveled to his home and watched Monty Python's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Flying Circus, then returned home at around 11.30pm that night.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: From there, Michael claimed he went directly to bed. Now,
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: these statements left investigators with several conflicting accounts of who
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: had been present around the Skakel property during the suspected
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: murder window. But meanwhile, some police continued searching for the
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: missing portion of the golf club. Officers used metal detectors.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: They examined the wooded areas in nearby buildings and searched
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: locations where the weapons fragment might have been discarded. Their
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: efforts even extended to surrounding properties and areas near Long
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Island Sound. And unfortunately, that section of the golf club
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: was never recovered. But laboratory examinations were conducted on the
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: rest of the physical evidence, including blood, clothing, soil, and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: metal fragments. but none of the available results identified Martha's attacker.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: The investigation eventually involved more than 200 interviews, with assistance
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: from investigators all around Greenwich, and detectives considered whether an
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: outsider could have even come to Bellhaven, including the possibility
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: of someone traveling through the area near the Connecticut Turnpike. However,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that theory produced no convincing lead. And so attention just
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: repeatedly returned to the Skakel household, Initially, Rushton Skakel had
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: cooperated with police, allowing investigators onto the property and permitting
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: family members to even be interviewed. But on January 22, 1976,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the family's cooperation reportedly ended on legal advice. Investigators also
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: sought access to Thomas' school and psychological records, which Rushton
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: refused to provide. This decision complicated any sort of attempts
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: police made to question the brothers further as the family
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: was entitled to seek legal representation and decline voluntary interviews. Now,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: during 1976, Police Chief Thomas G. Keegan reportedly attempted to
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: obtain an arrest warrant for Thomas, but it did not
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: result in charges and was ultimately unsuccessful. Kenneth Littleton's circumstances
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: were also changing, too. After approximately six months with the Skakels,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Kenneth left the household and moved to Nantucket, Massachusetts. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: in July of 1976, he was arrested in connection with
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: theft and burglary offenses. Investigators reconsidered whether his legal difficulties
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: might be connected to Martha's murder and questioned him extensively.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: But police still lacked sufficient evidence to charge him. By
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: June 1977, Thomas had transferred from Brunswick School to Vershire
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Academy in Vermont. His attorney, Emmanuel Marguliesse, maintained that access
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to the Skakel's family golf clubs had not been restricted
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to only family members. Despite continued questioning and forensic examination, though,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: no arrests followed, and the case gradually lost momentum. Then
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: in 1982, journalist Leonard Leavitt began examining Martha's murder for
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Greenwich Time and The Advocate. The newspapers pursued access to
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: police investigative records, uncovering concerns about the handling of the
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: original investigation. Meanwhile, Martha's parents continued living on their lives
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: with their daughter's death. Her father, David Moxley, he eventually
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: died in 1988, 13 years after Martha's murder. Then in 1991,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: renewed publicity surrounding another member of the Kennedy family brought
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the case back into public discussion. William Kennedy Smith had
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: been accused of rape in Florida, an allegation he denied
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: and for which he was subsequently acquitted. But during the publicity,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: an unfounded rumor circulated that William had been at the
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Skakel residence on the night Martha died. Although the allegation
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: proved false, the attention encouraged renewed examination of the murder,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: and in 1991, Connecticut authorities reopened Martha Moxley's case. Police
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: soon established a hotline. They offered a reward for information,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: and began reconsidering evidence collected during the original investigation. Among
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the specialists brought in was forensic scientist Dr. Henry Lee,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: who examined crime scene photos and clothing preserved from 1975,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: including trousers and sneakers reportedly recovered from the Skakel family's
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: garage shortly after the murder. Microscopic examinations revealed hairs and
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: fibers on the clothing. Some hairs were described as similar
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: to Martha's, while others were dissimilar. However, investigators could not
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: identify their source, and Martha's murder. Dr. Lee also examined
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: blood smears visible in the crime scene photos. He considered
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: whether the patterns and the conditions of Martha's clothing suggested
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a sexually motivated attack, although the original examination had not
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: established any rape. Meanwhile, Rushton Skakel hired Sutton Associates, a
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: private investigative firm, to examine the murder and clear his
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: family's name. The investigation involved former FBI agent James Murphy,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: also known as Jim, and retired New York City Police
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Lieutenant Willis Krebs to conduct interviews with both Thomas and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Michael Skakel. And on August 4th, 1992, Michael gave Krebs
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: an account that differed considerably from what he had told
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Greenwich Police in 1975. Michael maintained that he had traveled
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: with his cousin, Jimmy, to his home that evening. However,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: he acknowledged that after returning home, he actually did not
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: go right to bed. Instead, Michael claimed that around midnight,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: he went back outside again. According to this account, he
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: first approached the home of a woman he sometimes watched
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: through the window like a pervert.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Oh, creepy.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And after leaving, he then walked towards the Moxie residence,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: hoping to see Martha. Michael described climbing a tree near
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: what he believed was her bedroom window. He called out
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: her name, threw some pebbles at the window to attract
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: her attention. But when Martha never responded, he claimed he
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: simply masturbated in the tree before climbing down.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Why the shit would he? He'd be telling this now,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I guess, to clear himself, but holy heck, this is
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: gross and weird.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Now, Michael said that while walking home, he passed near
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the area where Martha's body had been discovered, but he
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: recalled sensing someone's presence, and he became scared, shouted into
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the darkness, began throwing rocks, and ran home. He explained
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: that he had concealed these movements from police because he
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: feared they could possibly implicate him in Martha's murder. Then
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: on October 7th, 1993, Thomas provided another significant change to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the original timeline. Speaking with Krebs, Thomas acknowledged that he
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: had not separated from Martha at approximately 9.30 p.m. as
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: he originally claimed. Instead, Thomas said he returned outside and
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: spent approximately another 20 minutes with her. He described kissing
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: her and them mutually masturbating before returning home at around
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: 10 p.m. This placed Thomas and Martha together in a
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: period in which detectives originally believed that she was actually attacked.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: And according to Murphy, Thomas became visibly emotional during this interview.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Murphy believed Thomas appeared close to confessing something, but his attorney, Emmanuel,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: ended the questioning before he could. Murphy subsequently became convinced
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: that Thomas was responsible, but Rushton eventually terminated his involvement
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: and in the investigation. Now, these private investigation findings remained
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: confidential until November of 1995, when portions of the Sutton
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: report were leaked to the press. And for the first time,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: the public learned that both brothers had substantially changed their
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: accounts of Martha's final evening, which renewed scrutiny of the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: original police interviews and attracted the attention of several writers
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: and investigators. Former Los Angeles police detective Mark Furman examined
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the case and published Murder in Greenwich in 1998, advancing
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the theory that Michael had killed Martha out of jealousy
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: over her relationship with Thomas. But investigators were also examining
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: another development. Allegations concerning Michael's years at Ellen School in Maine.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: You see, following a February 1996 broadcast of Unsolved Mysteries,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: former students began providing accounts of statements that Michael had
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: allegedly made while attending the school. One was Gregory Coleman,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: who claimed Michael had admitted to beating Martha with a
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: golf club after she rejected his romantic advances. Coleman also
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: alleged that Michael had boasted that he would escape punishment
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: because of his Kennedy family connections. Other former students described
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: statements being made during confrontational group therapy sessions as well.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Their recollections varied, but Some were disputed, and investigators considered
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: the accounts still significant. And in June of 1998, Connecticut
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: authorities appointed Judge George Thim to conduct a one-person grand
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: jury investigation. So over approximately 18 months, Judge Thim examined
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: evidence and heard testimony from dozens of witnesses, including people
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: who had known Michael during his years at Ellen College.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: And the proceedings ultimately produced sufficient evidence to charge Michael
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: with Martha's murder. So in January 2000, Michael Skakel, now
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: 39 years old, was arrested. Michael Skakel was initially brought
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: before a juvenile court because he was only 15 when
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Martha was murdered. However, a judge subsequently ruled that he
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: would be prosecuted as an adult. Michael maintained his innocence
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and retained defense attorney Michael Mickey Sherman. And his trial
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: began in May of 2002 in Norwalk, Connecticut, more than
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: 26 years after Martha was murdered. There, prosecutor Jonathan Benedict
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: faced a very difficult task. There was no DNA evidence.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: There was no fingerprint identification or eyewitness testimony directly establishing
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: that Michael had in fact attacked Martha. Instead, prosecutors had
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: to rely on circumstantial evidence alone. including Michael's changing accounts,
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: his reported feelings towards Martha, access to the Skakel family
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: golf clubs, and statements he allegedly made following her death.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Among the most significant allegations came from the former school students,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and that one student in particular, Gregory Coleman, who claimed
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Michael had admitted killing Martha after she rejected his advances.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: But Gregory Coleman, though, well, he died of a drug
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: overdose in August of 2001. so his earlier testimony was
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: read to the jury. Of course, his credibility was disputed, though,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: because he had acknowledged being under influence of drugs during
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: earlier proceedings, too. Other former students testified about statements they
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: interpreted as admissions as well, although their recollections all differed.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Prosecutors also challenged Michael's account of traveling to his cousin
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Jimmy's house. Skakel family friend Andrea Shakespeare testified that she
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: did not believe Michael had actually accompanied his brothers that evening.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: while several relatives actually supported his alibi. Another important exhibit
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: was also an audio recording Michael made in 1997 while
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: preparing a proposed audio biography. In it, he described masturbating
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: in a tree near Martha's home and fearing the following
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: morning that someone might have seen him. Now, during closing arguments,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Benedict played an edited portion of the recording alongside graphic
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: photos of Martha's body, Michael's defense argued that removing the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: surrounding explanations made his words sound like an admission of
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: murder rather than embarrassment over his alleged behavior, but Benedict
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: maintained that the presentation was a fair interpretation of the evidence.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: And on June 7th, 2002, after approximately four days of deliberations,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the jury returned with their verdict. They found Michael Skakel
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: guilty of murder. And on August 30th, He was sentenced
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to 20 years to life in prison. But the legal proceedings,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: they weren't done. In August of 2003, private investigator Vito
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Calusi recorded an interview with Gaetano Bryant, also known as Tony,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: who alleged that two acquaintances, Adolph Hasbrook and Burton Tinsley,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: had visited Belhaven on the night that Martha was murdered. Now,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Bryant claimed that the two handled golf clubs and subsequently
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: made statements he interpreted as admissions of involvement. Now, both
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: men denied any involvement, and no physical evidence established their
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: presence at the murder scene, and Bryant also declined to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: repeat his allegations under oath. So a judge rejected the
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: resulting request for a new trial in 2007. Michael's attorney
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: subsequently challenged the effectiveness of the original legal representation, particularly
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Sherman's failure to interview Dennis Osorio, an independent witness who
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: said Michael had been at his cousin's residence that evening.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: And on October 2013, Judge Thomas Bishop granted Michael a
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: new trial, ruling that he had received insufficient assistance of counsel.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: And after approximately 11 and a half years in prison,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Michael was released on a $ 1. 2 million bond that November.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: And in December of 2016, the Connecticut Supreme Court reinstated
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: his conviction. However, on May 4, 2018, the court reversed
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that decision and vacated the conviction. On October 30, 2020,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: 45 years to the day after Martha's murder, Connecticut Chief
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: State Attorney Richard Colangelo Jr. announced that Michael would not
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: be retried Because prosecutors could no longer prove the case
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt. And Michael maintained his innocence. So
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: what this ultimately means is that Michael Skakel was never
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: found not guilty. Nor was he officially cleared of Martha's murder.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: His original conviction was overturned because he hadn't received a
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: fair trial. And then prosecutors decided not to try him again.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And so the case was dismissed. So although a jury
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: had once found Michael guilty of murdering Martha Moxley, his
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: conviction was ultimately overturned, with prosecutors declining to retry him,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and he walked away a free man without ever being
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: acquitted or acquitted. officially exonerated of the crime. Martha's mother,
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Dorothy Moxley, remained convinced that he was responsible for her
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: death until her own in December of 2024 at the
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: age of 92. In November of 2025, journalist Andrew Goldman
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: released Dead Certain, the Martha Moxley murder, featuring new interviews
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: with Michael. But despite decades of investigations, conflicting accounts, a conviction,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and its eventual reversal, no one currently stands convicted of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Martha Moxley's Halloween Eve murder. And what ultimately happened to her, well,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: it remains a mystery. And that's the story of the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Halloween Eve murder of Martha Moxley.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, what the shit? I hate this one.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I knew you would.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Like these little bitches just took everything
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: away from Martha, I feel like.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: That's a good description of these two kids, yes.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Like it just, for years and years, it was never
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: about her. Like it was, but it wasn't because it's
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: like trying to figure out who did this to her.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: And then these privileged... this privileged family that obviously knows something.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know. But I also feel like I was
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: almost a bit surprised when Michael was convicted because I.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Don't know.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: There isn't like concrete evidence, I guess.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: There isn't.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, we know, but we can't prove it.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the problem. Because at first I was thinking
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: it was Thomas.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden it seemed kind of
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: like out of the blue that it was Michael because
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: we thought Michael wasn't even there. So I don't know what,
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: like what someone in that house did something for sure.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: But who? We can't prove. That's the problem.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I don't like that at all. I feel like that
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: just takes away from like what happened to Martha.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: It does. It really does.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: And I was kind of almost feeling like this would
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: be the outcome in a way because like these people
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: have money and power and that can do a lot
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: for you when you're got yourself in some serious trouble
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: like this.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Which is such a shame. Like it should not be
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the case that you could actually, you know, buy your
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: way out of a situation like this. But unfortunately, it's true.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: People can. I'm not saying that they 100% bought their
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: way out of a situation because, I mean, they couldn't
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: find evidence. So I think it was a matter of
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: money and luck.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, this one pisses me off. Like this is one that, gosh.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: And the mom, she lived until in her 90s. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: you think, like you just hope for her that this
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: had gotten solved. But it didn't. It didn't.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Here we are today. And it's still not solved.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Well, hopefully you enjoyed Halloween week's second tale of the
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: seven days. We've got a lot more to go. Hopefully
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Nicole is not going to strangle me through all this
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and she's not going to be too frustrated with the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: tales I got to tell. But hopefully you're enjoying them regardless.
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: You're safe. I'm just like this one. Are you sure?
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: This one just got me a little bit because it's
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: a little frustrating.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: It is. Rightfully so. You have every right to be
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: pissed off because I am too.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: You've had time to process. I'm processing now. Okay?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Okay. Well, while you're processing, I'm going to thank you
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: guys for being here. You're amazing. We got lots more
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: coming down throughout Halloween week. Thank you for being here.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: There's more to come tomorrow.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait, wait. Oh. We also have a number we
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: have to announce.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. Sorry, you were processing and I was
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: doing my outro thing.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, anyway, today's number that you're going to need
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: to keep track of for the end of the week
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: vault thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: The end of the week vault thing.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Is three.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Three.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: Three. Okay.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: End of the week vault thing. So there was a
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: number yesterday, right?
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: And there's a number today?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: There's a number tomorrow?
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: There'll be a number every day of the week.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, just checking. Well, until next episode, until tomorrow when
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: we get that third number.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Stay wicked.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Stay wicked. Thank you.