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Systemic Abuse: The Truth About Asian Grooming Gangs—With Raja Miah MBE · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to UK Column.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Ben Rubin and I'm really excited today to be
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  Speaker 2: talking to Raja Meyer, who is a journalist and a
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  Speaker 2: campaigner who for the past six years has been doing
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary work in his hometown of Oldham to uncover and
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  Speaker 2: report on the abuse of children that's been going on
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  Speaker 2: under the watchfuly of these social services and local counselors
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  Speaker 2: and various different politicians. And this is an issue that
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  Speaker 2: has been thrust right into the forefront of public discourse
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  Speaker 2: really since the start of this year, and Roger in
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  Speaker 2: particular has been at the forefront of that. He's been
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  Speaker 2: speaking to a number of different alternative media outlets and
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  Speaker 2: we've been hearing a bit about his story from various
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  Speaker 2: other conversations that he's done, he's had in his fantastic
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  Speaker 2: you Tube channel on his website, and we'll get into
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff as we go along through the interview,
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  Speaker 2: but today we're delighted to welcome into UK Column to
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  Speaker 2: find out a bit more and see what is really
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  Speaker 2: happening in Oldham and more broadly across the North of England.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome Raja, Thank you very very much for having me
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  Speaker 3: my pleasure.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you fantastic, So I think it's fair to say
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  Speaker 2: when you look at it, and you do have to
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  Speaker 2: look at it, people, the child sexual exploitation is the
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  Speaker 2: fuel that runs our political system. It really is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: And you've been doing a fantastic job, Rajah to uncover
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  Speaker 2: child exploitation, child abuse, systematic child abuse really on an
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  Speaker 2: industrial scale in Oldham and elsewhere across the north of England.
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  Speaker 2: And just to begin with, I'd be really interested to
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  Speaker 2: hear the journey that you've been on over the past
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  Speaker 2: six years once you decided to start talking about this publicly,
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  Speaker 2: and what you've seen happen, what you've reported, and what
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  Speaker 2: people really need to know about.
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  Speaker 3: You describe it as the fuel that earns our political
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  Speaker 3: system and it's the first time I've heard that term,
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  Speaker 3: and it's a very apt term that I've come to recognize. Actually,
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  Speaker 3: that is what has taken place because I entered this
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  Speaker 3: space thinking this is outrageous. Surely not, surely not, And
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  Speaker 3: as every day went by, I ended up in the
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  Speaker 3: same place, How on earth have they been getting away
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  Speaker 3: with this? And this is someone who spent twenty years
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  Speaker 3: in public service before I ended up where I did, and.
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  Speaker 1: To this day.
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  Speaker 3: I'm confounded. I'm dumbfounded by what's taking place, and just
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  Speaker 3: to start at the where we are now, and I'll
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  Speaker 3: work backwards if you please give me that opportunity. We've
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  Speaker 3: just had a government openly refuse a public inquiry, block
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  Speaker 3: a public inquiry into the cover up of the now
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  Speaker 3: confirmed systematic grooming and gang grape of children across our
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  Speaker 3: entire nation, and that beggars belief just start on its own,
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  Speaker 3: beggars belief. And I don't understand how we've got to you.
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  Speaker 3: And then I started watching and listening and I came
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  Speaker 3: across your channel and more and more of it it
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  Speaker 3: started to make sense. So I want to first of all,
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  Speaker 3: thank you people like yourselves for leading on this issue
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  Speaker 3: and shining a light on this issue long before anyone
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  Speaker 3: like me came along, because it's it's unbelievable, man, it's
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  Speaker 3: absolutely unbelievable. And to give you some context of how
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  Speaker 3: I got involved in as purely by accident, absolutely one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent purely by accident, and from a small northern town,
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  Speaker 3: a milltown called Oldham, just outside of Manchester. For those
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  Speaker 3: of you who aren't familiar with the geography of the Northwest,
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  Speaker 3: proud workhound, historically white working class. In the sixties, the
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  Speaker 3: Pakistani community, the Bangladeshi community had moved into work in
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  Speaker 3: the mills. It was a mill town at one point.
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  Speaker 3: I think it had more over three hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: mills in the town Chimneys. And I came back after
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  Speaker 3: a career in public service, which included sitting in rooms
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  Speaker 3: with world leaders, including multiple prime minister's Secretaries of State.
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  Speaker 3: All of that so I considered myself to be part
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  Speaker 3: of the establishment as such, or at least accepted within
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  Speaker 3: those circles. And I came back and a friend wife
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  Speaker 3: of mine contacted me the start of the Blue Raja,
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  Speaker 3: I need your help. You've come back. I've heard you've
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  Speaker 3: come back. I need your help. The chairman of the mosque,
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  Speaker 3: my mosque. The chairman of the mosque is a convicted
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  Speaker 3: sex offender. And I'm concerned for the safety of my children.
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  Speaker 3: And I frowned and thought, and we've gone for a
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  Speaker 3: whole process over the last twenty years or so of
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  Speaker 3: DBS checks and Act of Victoria Climbia Die died. All
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  Speaker 3: of that, well, clear safeguards in place to prevent such
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  Speaker 3: a thing from happening. I got in touch with the
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  Speaker 3: council's local authority designated officer, they called laddos. Every council
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  Speaker 3: now has one, which is meant to be a safeguard
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  Speaker 3: from any of this taking place. Long story short, they knew,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't care, and the reason they didn't care, as
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  Speaker 3: I found out later, was that this man was politically connected.
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  Speaker 3: He was politically connected to the Labor Party. He supplied
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  Speaker 3: the Labor Party who controlled several one hundred votes. He
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  Speaker 3: was a key kingpin in the local community, controlled several
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  Speaker 3: hundred votes, and the council and the police happily turned
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  Speaker 3: a blind eye to him. Outraged, I used social media,
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  Speaker 3: never used it really before, Ben. All I used it
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  Speaker 3: for was to send a birthday greetings to my goddaughters
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  Speaker 3: and distant friends and stuff like that. I used Facebook
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  Speaker 3: at the time. The police got involved, but we campaigned
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  Speaker 3: and we removed him, and I thought that was it.
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  Speaker 3: We've removed a guy from my mosque who was in charge.
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  Speaker 3: I can go back to try to raise my very
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  Speaker 3: young daughter at the time and look after my mother
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  Speaker 3: who was terminally ill. A politician, a former politician called
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  Speaker 3: Warren Bates, repeatedly contacted me. He was a UKIP councilor,
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  Speaker 3: former UKUB councilor. He died recently, became a good friend
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  Speaker 3: of mine. We went on a journey together, and he
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  Speaker 3: always boasted of how he was a member of five
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  Speaker 3: political parties. So he went on a journey, started at
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  Speaker 3: at age twelve or thirteen, working in the minds, and
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  Speaker 3: when I met him, he was in his eighties and
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  Speaker 3: he increasingly got frustrated trying to reach out to me,
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  Speaker 3: and I eventually went to see him and he handed
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  Speaker 3: over a dossier, files, dossier of files that involved another
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  Speaker 3: former counselor, man called Huey McDonald. Hue McDonald was once
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  Speaker 3: the lead for safeguarding in the town in terms of
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  Speaker 3: the lead member the councilor, and was a senior magistrate,
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  Speaker 3: the lead magistrate in fact in the town of at
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  Speaker 3: least fifteen years. So these are legitimate people in the
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  Speaker 3: town begging me to help, handing over a dossier. All men,
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  Speaker 3: really old men who didn't know how to navigate this
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  Speaker 3: new world anymore, and who'd been shut down. And what
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  Speaker 3: that dossier clearly showed was that the BBC journalist, a
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  Speaker 3: man called Kevin Fitzpatrick, whose father was also a Labor
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  Speaker 3: Party councilor whose family are powerful Labor Party figures here
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  Speaker 3: in the Northwest. But Kevin Fitzpatrick is a BBC journalist,
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  Speaker 3: and Kevin Fitzpatrick, the dossier of emails clearly shows he's
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  Speaker 3: engaged in helping cover up with Jim McMahon, the leader
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  Speaker 3: of Aldham Council who's now ministering Government and the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the council in the town Labor Party run is
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  Speaker 3: involved in covering up the story of a grooming gang,
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  Speaker 3: a pack group, network of grooming gangs operating out of
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  Speaker 3: Shiesha bars in all them. And I couldn't believe what
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  Speaker 3: I read. Went and also saw Hughey MacDonald, who I
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  Speaker 3: knew from a past life many years ago. A series
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  Speaker 3: of coincidences, this has been really and he confirmed what
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  Speaker 3: had took place, gave me more evidence that these old
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  Speaker 3: men pulling out evidence, reams of paper out of carrier bags,
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  Speaker 3: and they told me how the mainstream media had blocked
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  Speaker 3: the story, helped block the story. Huey MacDonald confirmed with
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  Speaker 3: me how when he tried to whistle blow where he
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  Speaker 3: informed a local organization the main organizations called it was
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  Speaker 3: called Positive Steps, the connection service that works for vulnerable
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  Speaker 3: young people. When he leaked the information to that organization
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  Speaker 3: was effectively suspended an expelled effectively from the Labor Party
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  Speaker 3: by mac mahon and a man called Tony Lloyd who
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  Speaker 3: was the Police and Crime Commissioner. You know, they objected
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  Speaker 3: to the to this news coming out of children being
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  Speaker 3: dragged off the street and being groomed and gang raped
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  Speaker 3: in these sabas. And the Tony Lloyd, we now know
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  Speaker 3: from the former Rochdale MP Simon Danchuk, was instructed him
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  Speaker 3: to keep quiet about the grooming gangs in case he
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  Speaker 3: affected their votes. And Simon Danchuk has gone on record
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  Speaker 3: and Tony Lloyd was, as well as being the Police
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  Speaker 3: and Crime Commissioner, he was prior to that, the chair
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  Speaker 3: of the of the Labor Party in the House of
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  Speaker 3: the House of Commons. So this is how up this started.
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  Speaker 3: And then as it unraveled and we campaigned, all all
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  Speaker 3: hell broke loose in a way I never thought would
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  Speaker 3: be possible. The police got involved, repeatedly arrested me at
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  Speaker 3: the instru uctions of senior Labor Party politicians. A bunch
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  Speaker 3: of Islamists Jiadis I call them Islamists got involved who
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  Speaker 3: had a relationship with the Labor Party politicians and enjoyed
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  Speaker 3: the arrangement that they had same with a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: essentially eculum cartels Pakistani gangsters whose networks had been involved
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  Speaker 3: in selling these children. There's a case currently going on
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  Speaker 3: right now, and I don't want to get involved in
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  Speaker 3: the case per se because it's a life trial. But
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  Speaker 3: the statements that were read out included a part of
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  Speaker 3: Oldham called Chadditon and Chadditon is part of the constituency
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  Speaker 3: of Oldham West, Chaditan and Ruyten, and of a house
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  Speaker 3: being used where these children were being raped and men
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  Speaker 3: were queuing up outside, you know, so they weren't even hiding.
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  Speaker 3: All of this has been going on. The politicians knew,
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  Speaker 3: and the politicians and those impositions of power, including the
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  Speaker 3: social services, all of the rest of them, the police,
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  Speaker 3: they all knew, and they all were complicit and covering up.
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  Speaker 3: And a question I have, and I think it's one
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  Speaker 3: that's suited to a platform such as yours, is to
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  Speaker 3: ask the question why. And it goes back to what
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  Speaker 3: you started off by saying, which is it's the fuel.
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  Speaker 3: It is the raw feel for the political system, hideous
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  Speaker 3: well you've just described as absolutely hideous.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you go back to your hometown, you find
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  Speaker 2: out that the chairman of the mosque is a convicted
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  Speaker 2: sex offender, your campaign to get him out of office.
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations on that front.
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  Speaker 2: I can't imagine that that was easy, right, because these
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  Speaker 2: are close knit communities, and that would have put a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people's nose out of joint and then that
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  Speaker 2: opens up a Pandora's box of corruption across the whole.
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  Speaker 1: Of society, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's absolutely astonishing when you lay it out
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  Speaker 2: as nakedly and as concisely as you just have done there.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You've got young children who are being stolen, groomed a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the time out of the care system. You know,
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  Speaker 2: the care system. It's not a care system. It's designed
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  Speaker 2: in many ways to facilitate this kind of behavior. And
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  Speaker 2: the gangs of men in their twenty thirties, forties, fifties
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  Speaker 2: are sexually abusing them. These children are being sold and
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  Speaker 2: this is all happening in plain sights, and the police
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  Speaker 2: know about it, the counselors know about it. You've named
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  Speaker 2: some top level labor politicians, which we'll get into as
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  Speaker 2: we go along there, and this is just part of
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  Speaker 2: the course in the UK in twenty twenty four. Apparently
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  Speaker 2: this is what we're just told to expect, or certainly
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  Speaker 2: certain communities it would appear, particularly in the north of England,
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  Speaker 2: in the west and the east side of the Pennines,
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  Speaker 2: it would seem this is just daily life for a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people.
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  Speaker 3: It's absolutely disgraceful. I mean, you talked about the system
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  Speaker 3: and we've been on a journey. It's been a six
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  Speaker 3: year battle, Ben, and I've used every every bit of
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  Speaker 3: experienced skill I've ever accumulated to get help get us
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  Speaker 3: this far. And one of the steps on this journey
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  Speaker 3: was we forced Andy Burnham to intervene. Now he is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I describe him as a con artist because
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  Speaker 3: he launched an assurance review in ald Them, an inquiry
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  Speaker 3: that he has just recently, I think last week or
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  Speaker 3: the week before confirmed was limited. But for the best
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  Speaker 3: part of three years he was backing this review that
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  Speaker 3: he conducted in all Them that failed to even interview
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  Speaker 3: the survivors. So we launched a grooming gang inquiry, and
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  Speaker 3: that grooming gang inquiry doesn't interview the victims of the
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  Speaker 3: grooming gangs. That grooming gang inquiry doesn't list the number
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  Speaker 3: of children identified, but confirms it took a sample of ten.
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  Speaker 3: That Grooming Gang Inquiry publicly states there was no cover up.
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  Speaker 3: Yet every page in that two hundred page document details
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  Speaker 3: cover up after cover up after cover up, and some
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  Speaker 3: of the cover ups I didn't even discover the first
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  Speaker 3: five ten times I read the report until I revisit
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  Speaker 3: again and look at some other wordings. So, for instance,
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  Speaker 3: you talked about the care system. In all of them,
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  Speaker 3: they created the care system, came up with an innovative solution,
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  Speaker 3: and those are their words, an innovative solution. That innovative
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  Speaker 3: solution was to put all the children that it identified
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  Speaker 3: to be at risk of these grioming gangs, of these
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  Speaker 3: rape gangs. They decided to put them all in one
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  Speaker 3: special care home all together. And then that special care
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  Speaker 3: home had limited support around it in terms of safeguarding
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  Speaker 3: or to all extents and purposes. Ben they created a
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  Speaker 3: children's brothel, astonishing. So they took they took all of
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  Speaker 3: the care system. Again, I don't like to call it
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  Speaker 3: the care system.
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  Speaker 2: I have to do this when I talk about it,
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  Speaker 2: because it's not it's doing the opposite of what it's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to do to all of the children that had
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  Speaker 2: been victims of the gangs and put them in one
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  Speaker 2: place and then reduced the safeguarding protocols around that that
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  Speaker 2: care home.
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  Speaker 3: Is that what you've just described, and attaches would pull
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  Speaker 3: up and the men would pull up and take the
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  Speaker 3: children one stop shop and then Burnham's investigators cover it
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  Speaker 3: up and describe it as an innovative solution.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we hear a lot of talk about innovation at
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  Speaker 2: the moment, and if this is what they mean, then
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  Speaker 2: I think we're in We're in trouble people. And actually
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  Speaker 2: we'll probably come back to that later because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the people that you've already mentioned are in cabinet
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  Speaker 2: level positions right now talking about innovation and new ways
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  Speaker 2: to run the country. And if this is what they've
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  Speaker 2: been doing, then I think that we need we need
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  Speaker 2: to be scrutinizing absolutely everything that is coming out of
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  Speaker 2: central government right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm mean to say the.
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  Speaker 2: Least you've mentioned Andy Burnham, right because there's been a
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  Speaker 2: series the whole sequence of these scenarios right because we're
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  Speaker 2: talking about Oldham today, but this is also happened in Rochdale.
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  Speaker 2: This has also happened in Bury. This has also happened
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  Speaker 2: in Halifax on the other side of the Pennines. Right,
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  Speaker 2: This is not an isolated incident, and these are talked
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  Speaker 2: about and investigated as if they're in isolated local level issues.
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  Speaker 2: But actually, when you dig into it, and I've done
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of reading into some of these reports
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  Speaker 2: over the past few days, if you look at say Bury,
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  Speaker 2: Rochdale and Oldham, for example, they're all within about ten
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  Speaker 2: miles of each other. And actually, if you dig into it,
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  Speaker 2: there's people who are arrested in Berry who live in
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  Speaker 2: Rochdale for example.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So actually what you're talking about is just one integrated
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  Speaker 2: network and actually it all rolls up to Manchester, Greater Manchester.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And Andy Burnham is I mean potentially being positioned as
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  Speaker 2: a future leader of the country. I mean I certainly
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  Speaker 2: believe that he would suggest that that's the case. How
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  Speaker 2: much of this is about protecting the reputation of people
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  Speaker 2: like him?
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  Speaker 1: Do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I think he's got himself involved in something he didn't
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  Speaker 3: quite understand and now he's in too deep and he's
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  Speaker 3: been exposed. And I don't think he's the only one. So,
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  Speaker 3: for instance, Burnham story is he was driving his car,
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  Speaker 3: he heard Maggie Oliver on the radio, he watched The
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  Speaker 3: Betrayed Girls, and he felt he needed to do something
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  Speaker 3: and so he launched an inquiry. Now the inquiry he
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  Speaker 3: launched in twenty seventeen into Manchester and it has to
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  Speaker 3: do with the death of a young lady called Victoria Agoglia,
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  Speaker 3: kid overdosed on heroin. She was a victim of a
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  Speaker 3: grooming gang. The entire system knew and ignored her plight. Now,
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  Speaker 3: what is first Assurance review in Manchester exposed was that
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  Speaker 3: not only did this take place, that the police and
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  Speaker 3: the council had failed. But this is where the cover
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  Speaker 3: up starts. He would have known right from the outset
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  Speaker 3: as a veteran of the Hillsborough campaign, he would have
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  Speaker 3: known right from the outset that a public inquiry is
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  Speaker 3: what would be needed because his own powers to launch
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  Speaker 3: an investigation, did not have the powers to go after
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  Speaker 3: the evidence and did not have the powers to compel
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  Speaker 3: witnesses to testify, you know in high level police or
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  Speaker 3: high level council positions. So, for instance, when that first
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  Speaker 3: report came out in the small print was buried, how
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  Speaker 3: ninety seven members of a grooming gang. Ninety seven members
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  Speaker 3: of a grooming gang had an investigation against them closed
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  Speaker 3: down just like that. And when that investigation was closed
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  Speaker 3: down and questions are being asked, neither the police nor
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  Speaker 3: the council, because it was a joint operation, will own
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  Speaker 3: up to who was responsible for closing down that operation.
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  Speaker 3: So much as far to take this is that they
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  Speaker 3: claim the council claimed that the minutes were lost. The
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  Speaker 3: minutes of the meeting were that decision took place to
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  Speaker 3: close down an investigation into ninety seven members of a
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  Speaker 3: grooming gang, and there would have been more. These are
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  Speaker 3: the ninety seven day they knew about. The minutes were
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  Speaker 3: lost and the police refused. Senior police officers of course
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  Speaker 3: refused to give testimony. Now Burnham would have known all
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  Speaker 3: of that at that stage, but he continued this nonsense.
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  Speaker 3: He created an assurance review in Oldham with these two
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  Speaker 3: men touted as experts all the time, malcolmk Newsom and
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  Speaker 3: Gary Ridgeway. They created this assurance review in Oldham. Again,
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  Speaker 3: it's under Burnham, the Mayor's assurance Review. We forced that
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: assurance review. We didn't really want it. We wanted a
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: public inquiry all the time, but every time we forced,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: you know, we get an opportunity to expose, and we
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: have been. So this assurance review was time limited to
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: between twenty eleven to twenty fourteen for some reason. And
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: it was time limit. Not only time limited, it was
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: restricted to where it could go and investigate. So, for instance,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: it was investigating children's homes and shisha bars and taxi ranks,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't investigating schools and youth clubs. And we
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: knew we'd released information of how children had been dragged
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: into cars from school gates, of how the pastoral staff
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: were going into these homes and picking up children in
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the day because they'd been gang raped overnight, abused overnight,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and all of that was excluded. And I whistle blew
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: all of this. And when Burnham's team got in touch
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: with me to testify via the council, a council that
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: had been trying to imprison me, by the way for
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a number of years, tried to see me as well. Recently.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I asked about the terms of reference and I said,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: of course, I'll testify, providing that my testimony is accurately recorded. Now,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: what would normally happen in any form of inquiry was
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: were witnesses go and testify then, is that they would
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: press record on a tape recorder or something and transcribe
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: the testimony. This isn't new, is it. This is how
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: it works, this is how it operates. What these guys
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: had decided was that the terms of reference did not
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: allow for witness testimonies to be transcribed and recorded, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: that their investigators Bridgeway Newsome would take selective notes of
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: what they found to be important. That's how rigged this
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: inquiry was, and it's Burnham's inquiry, and it counter continued
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and continued were not only did it fail to interview
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: a single survivor, in the end, the interviewed one survivor
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: only as a consequence of Maggie Oliver's direct intervention. It's
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: also clearly demonstrated whilsty're saying no evidence of a cover up,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: no evidence of a cover up. It confirmed the Council
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: had written to the Home Affairs Committee Select Committee refusing
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: to cooperate, saying too much time had passed. It confirmed
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: that the director of Communications ahead of Communications a man
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: called Karl Marsden and uncomfortable naming names then because the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: evidence is there of these names a man called Karl Marsden.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Carl Marsden celebrated keeping news of the grooming gangs out
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: of the news. It's evidence there, completely, All of this
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: is evidence. And then it gets even murkier and you
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: talk about murkiness. Karl Marsden, for example, the head of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: communications at Oldham Council at the time. His wife worked
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: at the local newspaper, the Oldham Evening Chronicle at the time,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: so both, you know, the free press helped hide this
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: whilst the council's press team helped hide this. And then
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: her name Don Marsden. She now works in Angela Rainer's team,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: so she now is a member of the Deputy Prime
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Minister's team.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Let me wind this up a second, right, because you
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: just you keep on hitting me with the most unbelievable information.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Let's we'll come back to Rainer in a minute, because
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the cabinet, because there's a
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: bunch of cabinet and people involved in this, right, But
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: let's just go back to to to Burnham.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: It sounds to me.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Like at the outset they've deliberately set out in this
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: assurance review, right, and for people at home, assurance is basically,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: you come in, we'll kick the ties a little bit,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: we'll check that you're doing the right things, and then
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: we'll give you the thumbs up and you go off
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: and carry on what you're doing.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: That's where it's not a proper inquiry.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And actually not not only that, they've deliberately reduced its
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: capacity to do its job right because as Rogers just
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: described to us, they're not recording conversations with people. It's
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: just basic, basic, basic stuff. I mean, it's it's, it's,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it's it shouldn't even need to be said that that's
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: what you should be doing, should be recording the conversations
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: with the people who are giving statements, right, because we
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: want to go back and we want to review it,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: we want to listen to it again, like one on earth?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Would you not do that?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: And then also this sort of limiting of the scope
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: to the in terms of the timing, and that's fascinating,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: and I wonder why they chose those years. I'm sure
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: there's some awful reason behind it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: But also.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: This, uh, this sampling, so I think on your on
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: your on your website, you say that there were eleven
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: thousand safeguarding referrals during that three year time frame, which
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: is astonishing, right, it's always a huge number of referrals.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: And they looked at ten, which is just crazy. That's
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: less than what is that zero point one percent? Yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: this is there isn't ten And then all ten of
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the ones that they chose revealed significant failures. So that
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: was a one hundred percent failure rate in the ones
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that they chose, and that's and they just left it
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: at that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's what exactly is going on here?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: This is this there's there's there's nothing about this that
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: is appropriate if what they were actually trying to do
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: is to get to the truth of what happened and
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to rectify these failings all ten.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: So they looked at ten, and they looked at an
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: extra case of Sophie that we got in, which was
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: the horrific case of the twelve year old child he
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: got handed over at a police station. And you know
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: that story has gone around it and most people are
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: familiar with that. But the the ten they looked at,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: I mean they said, there's you know, the e of
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: how much progress they've made yet the ten they looked
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: at one hundred percent failure in every ten they found failings,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: but it's buried in the small print of the report.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Then you've got to find it and highlight it doing
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: hold on. So they're standing in front of the world
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: media presenting one case and then the port shows something
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: completely different. The eleven thousand figure. I couldn't get to
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: that anywhere until I played back the statement made by
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: the MPG in McMahon in Parliament. So immediately after Burnham's
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: report was released they went another layer of the cover
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: up started where Rayner MacMahon and Debbie Abrams released a
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: statement about how great this report was, and then they
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: called an adjournment debate in Parliament and mac mahon, apart
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: from calling me a racist and far right activist and
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the whole host of other nonsense which you know people
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: can take from that what they want, he is the
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: one who stood up and made reference to eleven thousand.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: So the eleven thousand figure I got was from mac
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: mahon himself.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And Jim mcmohon was the leader of Oldham Council when
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: all this was going on, right, so you know, if
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: anyone's going out of the numbers gym, it's going to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: be you, right. You wish you'd hope so anyway, okay,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: where to go from here? I think one of the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: things that really jumped out of me was the Shabii Armed.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Should we talk a little bit about him because he
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: was in the Rochdale grooming gang but he was working
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: at Oldham.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Council for I think it was eighteen years, is that right?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah? So you talked about how you look at these
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: other system looks at these grooming gangs in isolation to towns.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: They are cross county line networks of Pakistani men, a
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: clan based Pakistani men politically connecting Pakistani men is in
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the main I'm sorry to say to my friends in
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: the Pakistani community, and there are banglades Is involved and
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: predominantly Muslim, and there's a whole cultural and religious dimension
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: that needs to be explored that we're too scared to
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: look at. But let's look at Shabii Ahmed. I got
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: a phone call from a labor party source asking me
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: to speak to them so they could hand me over
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: information regarding Shabia Ahmed, Shabira Ahmed. They hid that he
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: worked for the council for eighteen years in a role
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: where he could access vulnerable children. They hid when he
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: was charged and arrested at the time in twenty twelve
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: twenty thirteen when the first of the Rochdale Grooming gang
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: a lot were convicted, which was like the breakthrough sort
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: of investigation. They hid that he was a senior member
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: of the Labor Party, an active member of the Labor Party,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: who was involved in coordinating election campaigns, helping collect votes,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff in a postal vote. He was
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: involved in all of that. He was such an establishment figure.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: He was also on the board of the Citizen Advice Bureau.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: And in towns like such as mine, it's the establishment
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: figures who sit on the board of the Citizens of
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Advice Bureau. It isn't a joan from the sweet shop
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: or anything like that. It is the great and the
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: good of the town that sit on the board of
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the Cities of Advice Bureau. And when it came to
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: sit SHIVERI Ahmed and what we'd expose, they were forced
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: to admit that they missed nine opportunities to arrest him,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: nine opportunities, nine opportunists to arrest him, in charge him,
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And in the end he was convicted for thirty three
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: rapes of children. He did many more, but he was
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: convicted of thirty three rapes. Thirty three children or thirty
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: you know, could have been safeguarded. He was the ringleader
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: of the Rochester gang. He lived in Oldham, he operated
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: in Rochestere like all of these men did. Or vrch
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: still told them what they did was they groomed children.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: This is a man who works in the council with
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: access to vunderable children. So clearly he's got a relationship
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: with children that he can access. In that environment, he
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: grooms children, He is involved in introducing these children to
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: a network of other men. And once they've had their
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: way with these children, they bundled them in taxes, higher
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: spaces on top of takeaways, flats, all of that across
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the country, which is the appennine thing. The M sixty
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: two corridor men lined up paying fifty pounds of time
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: to take them turn raping these children. Now, the nine
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: times they missed the opportunity to arrest Shabir Ahmad, no
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: one wants to talk about that. Why did they miss that?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Where are all the files? Who chose who made the
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: decisions to close these investigations down? Because I am one
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: hundred percent convinced this man was protected and the reason
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: he was protected was because of his political associations, because.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: He can deliver block votes that are gonna put and
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: keep predominantly labor politicians at the council level and at
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: the national level into positions of power.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: This is replicated across the country and this is another
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: reason why they turned down the public inquiry, because we've
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: navigated this bend into a space where no one can well,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: Fewer and fewer people can say, oh, let's go after
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the pakistanis, let's make this about the far right. Let's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: you know, we've taken it from a place of just
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: looking at one element of what's took place to understand
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: why it was allowed to take place. And that's why
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I describe myself as a campaigner. Why it was allowed
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: to take place is because it was politically convenient or
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: it happen, you know, to exchange little working class white
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: girls that didn't matter enough compared to the block votes
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: applied by those involved in the grooming gangs to the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: politicians who benefited from that arrangement.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: And that's being done by a political party that presents
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: itself as the voice of working people in the country.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: You know, the hypocrisy here is absolutely off the scale.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: We talked a bit about the political dimension to this,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and it is inherently political, and we will come back
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: to that, and it's very much about votes.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: But is there other stuff going on around the sides
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: of this as well?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: You know, we know a lot about council corruption and
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: dodgy construction deals and you know, public assets being bought
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: off that kind of thing.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Is that happening as well?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: All of that has taken place by the same demographic
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: of people. So let me give you some examples. And
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: this is my hometown. I take no satisfaction in sharing
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: this with you. My first job, Ben was with the council.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: It was the proudest day of my life. Mike. I remember,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: we have something called the Civic Center in the town
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: and it's this tall building that you can see from anywhere.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: It's closed now, And I remember the first time I
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: went in a building. My dad took me and had
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a word with the receptionist and we went to the
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: top floor and heared out the window. You know, the
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: first time. I want to lift. So I have nothing
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: but love for the for the town and the people
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: of the town. But what these people have done over
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: the last at least two decades, probably longer. I mean
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: I'm only aware of it over the last two decades
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: because my I've become aware. But the corruption is off
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the scale, and it's off the scale so much. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I'll give you just one clear tangible example. The leader
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: of Aldham Council. Now we've removed leader after leader after leader.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: It's a political campaign, which is what led to Jess
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Phillips being forced right back. We forced that there over
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: six years. But the current leader of the council is
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: a woman called Aruj Shah. She used to be Jim
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: McMahon's assistant. She used to work in Debbie Abrams's office.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: She is the chair as well as being the leader
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: of the Labor Party the council, she's the chair of
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: the National Constitutional Committee of the Labor Party. So she's
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: a powerful woman in my town. She hangs off the
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: arm of openly, brazenly, a man whose goes by the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: name of irish imit. Irishim is a convicted heroine dealer
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: who was also convicted in the dock alongside the cop
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: killer Dale Kregan because Irishimi was his getaway driver. These
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: are the people who go and knock on their doors
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: collecting votes for the Labor Party. These are who the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: types of people the Labor leaders in our town are
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: associated with. And if that was just one example, I'll
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: give you another example. There's a man called Zia Hussaying.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: He was convicted for kidnap and torture of a young man.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: When the police turned up, they found blood splattered all
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: over the wall. He went to prison for it. He
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: is pictured celebrating with Arrudshah her election victory with a
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Labor Party red rosette. This town is run by gangsters.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: And this isn't just me exaggerating, but that's what's taking place,
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: and no one will speak out about it. No mainstream
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: media will talk about it. Keir Starmer won't say anything,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Debbie A. Brahms won't say anything. McMahon is neck deep
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: in it. And Angela Rayner is the Deputy Prime Minister
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: because until very recently her constituency included a part of
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Oldham Council which is the area of Failsworth. So this arrangement,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: this knowledge, this frame work of how the Pakistani votes,
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: the Muslim votes are used and exploited by the Labor Party,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: and the arrangements they come to those people who support
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: them and they empower them. It's something that takes place
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: in Bradford, It's something that takes place in Kirkles, It's
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: across the Bard. It's definitely something that takes place in Rochdale.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: One of the Rochdale counselors was exposed for giving a
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: reference to a member of the Rochdel grooming gang. He
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: knew this man had groomed and gang grove children, and
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: in this capacity as the councilor, has given references astonishing.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: It's astonishing. I mean, yeah, we'll come back to Rainer
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: in a minute. Debbie Abrams is interesting. She only came
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: on to my radar recently because she has been promoting
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: democratic innovation. They're all very excited about these new forms
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: of voting. They're going to try and coerce the country
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: into accepting a load of new policy positions and innovative
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: technology platforms and new ways of doing things. And the
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: people that are most excited about all of that the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: ones that appear to be neck deep in all of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: this extraordinary corruption. I mean, it really does run right
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: to the top, you know. And as I said at
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the start, this is what the country runs on. Before
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: we get into that, I would like to just dig
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: into the really I suppose, in some ways the most
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: sensitive part of this right, because there's a lot of
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: people who want to use this story to inflame racial
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: tensions and from their perspective, hopefully violence. You know, they
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: would love to see civil unrest in this country because
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: it would give them a license to do all sorts
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: of things that will not be good for the mass population.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But it is the kind of racial and in some
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: ways the religious dynamic to this right. You know, to
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: what extent were these racial crimes and to what extent
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: is this down to religious ideology? And I understand that
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: this is sensitive stuff, but you know, as someone who
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: comes from within this community, it's so important to hear
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: your perspective on it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: I woke up this morning to a phone call from
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: a dear friend of mine who helped bury my mother,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: and he'd listen to a recent interview of mine and
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: he wanted to share with me how he supported me
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: and how people he knew supported me. Because the truth
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: needs to get out and we need to safeguard our children,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: and everyone has a responsibility from my community to own this.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: So those who are trying to promote this as as
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: through a racial or religious perspective of We don't want
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: to solve this from out within our own community. The
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: only people who are doing that is are those who
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: the current arrangement suits. I think for the vast majority
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: of us from the background I come from, we want
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: these men to go to prison, and we want the
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: underlying beliefs to be questioned, queried by people who have
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: the skills and confidence and the expertise to do that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: And we also want those who are responsible for the
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: cover up to be punished because these were political arrangements. Now,
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: when we look specifically at whether these were racially motivated crimes,
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and I'll talk to you about religious motivation or religious
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: any aspect of that in a moment, these were one
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: hundred percent racially motivated crimes. These were one hundred racially
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: motivated crimes because we followed the Macpherson interpretation. What constitutes
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: a racially motivated crime in this country Now if the
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: victim considered it, or the evidence suggests the victim clearly
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: in almost every case I've come across, makes reference to
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: how they were treated as white dirt white, and I
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: won't use derogria to terms. But I'm sure your viewers
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: understand a whole host of really horrible, horrific racial slurs
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: towards these children because of their ethnicity and because of
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: their culture, and some of that because they were promiss
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: us and they described them as promiscuous, even though they
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: were twelve year olds. Of thirteen year olds, you know,
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: promiscuity for these men meant that the young girls would
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: talk to men directly. So there's all of that taking place.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: So these were racially motivated crimes, and the victims said
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: as much. They were treated as white dirt and picked
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: on because of their ethnicity. These were also racially motivated
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: crimes because the the court transcripts that we have been
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: able to see repeatedly demonstrate how these men had extremely
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: prejudiced views towards white the white community, in particular white women.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: So when the victims are saying I was a I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: was picked on because of my race, when the perpetators
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: are saying, yes, we did this to this demographic because
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: we hold them in contempt, that makes them one hundred
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: percent racially motivated crimes. I can't find anywhere and maybe
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: you go away and look at this, so I can't
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: find anywhere where any of these crimes that when these
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: convictions took place, were convicted with a racially aggravated factor,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: which they should have been, and they weren't. So that's
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the racial element done done with. They were one hundred
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: percent racially motivated crimes. The religious factor I find I
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: find problematic and interesting because it's I think it's more
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: to do with religious culture than religious doctrine. When we
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: speak to these men, and when I've spoken to the
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: networks that these men come from, they hold extremely derogative
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: views towards women, and they legitimize those derogative views towards
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: women from their interpretation of how they believe Islam high
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: places women and where they can act and where they
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: can act, and how they need to be dressed modestly,
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: how they need to be submissive, and all of that
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So that's where I get that from.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I had a very challenging conversation with a young who
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: was a journalist. I suppose on the right, and I
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: agree to be interviewed by I've said yes to be
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: interviewed by everyone because I think I have a responsibility
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: to try and share my perspective on this and he
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: talked about rape jihad and some verse out of the Qoran.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: When I speak to these men, they've not gone to
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: the Qoran. Or when I've seen the evidence and speak
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: to the networks where these men come from, they've not
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: gone to the Koran and found the verse that says, Okay,
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: here's the verse. So I'm going to use this verse
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: and go and go and legitimize what I do. It's
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: not like that. It's the cultural aspect of being Muslim.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: And of course what we've now got in the back drop,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: and it was it yesterday it came in then were
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: is it Iraq that's changed its laws where a nine
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: year old can now get married? Now, I'll tell you
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: this quite happily and unequivocally, I have not come across
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: a single Muslim in the community I come from that
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: would agree to a nine year old being married.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: There is a severe culture crash going on here as
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: much as anything else. But so what's what's the discussion
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: like within the mosques?
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Then at the moment you know, what what what? What's actually.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: What's happening within the community, Because I can imagine based
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: on what you're describing, this is an incredibly divisive and
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: contentious issue within the Muslim community. But for people in
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the UK who aren't in that community on the outside
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: looking in, a lot of the time, it can seem
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: very monolithic and difficult to understand. But it'd be great
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to get a sense of kind of what's going on
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: underneath the surface.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I'll split it, and I'll split it into far. There
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: there is a group that wanted to go away because
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: they think it's just bring shame on the entire community,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: and the entire community will be judged this way. So
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: there's a group who are like that, a small group
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: such as myself, who want this dealt with because we
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: believe we will come out stronger at the other end
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: if we can deal with this and demonstrate we don't
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: want this any more than anyone else wants this. And
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: this was the politic. These men did what they did
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: because they were allowed to do so. And then there
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: is a group two groups. One group which is the
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: what I call the cartels, who are very very unhappy
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: with what's taking place because it upsets the status skull
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: and the power structure from which they benefit. And there
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: is a growing network of Islamists in our country. The
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: List Trust the former Prime Minister makes reference now to
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: how we have I think four, if not five, Islamist MPs,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: and she uses the term Islamist MPs who got elected
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: off the back of Gaza and this separatist agenda. The
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: historically they were Labor Party supporters and they've just decided
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: we can cut out the middleman and represent ourselves, and
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: they've tried that, I think in seventy seventy one constituencies
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: across the country. Was the way they targeted the Muslim vote,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: and that means the it isn't the Muslim vote as
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: you and I might see, it's it's those with who
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: have a certain viewpoint that I also describe as Islamist.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Now that demographic is openly attempting to have me murdered
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: and has been for some time now, and it is
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: with the active involvement of the police, who are refusing
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: to go after them. And they're refusing to go after
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: them because these people are connected. They're connected to the politicians,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: and these people have openly incited my murder because I
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: have spoken out against this. They threatened to have me
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: killed if I go to the mosques, and of course
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: I still go to the mosques because I believe more
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: so now than I did previously. Then I believe I
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: have a responsibility and people like me have a responsibility
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: not just to present this to the external communities, but
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: also fight within within the communities we come from, because
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: if people voices like mine disappear in the communities where
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I come from, then we lose those communities completely.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: What you're doing is extremely brave, So thank you for that.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: That was a really useful insight into what's going on
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: in the Muslim community. And also, I'm not aware of
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the kind of demographic makeup of the town of Oldham
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: specifically right, but obviously it's become much more Bangladeshi and
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Pakistani immigrant dominated over the past fifty sixty years. Is
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: there still a cohesive white working class community there?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: What's happening with them? You know?
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Who are their voices standing up in that community? How
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: are they being treated, are they're being listened to? What
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: could you give us some insight into that?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I think there was a political decision taken place looking
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: at the demographic projections, probably about fifteen years ago, by
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: voles in positions of power, the white working class was problematic,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: increasingly problematic. Better to demonize them, better to leave them behind,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: better to disempower them, and then we create a smaller
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: voting pool of people actually go out and vote, and
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: we can stay in power off the block Muslim votes.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: So that's what's a plague in all of them has
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: took place across the board where this demographic shift is
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: taking place, and it's pushed the white working class to
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: the margins. And what we've managed to do, thankfully in
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: all them is, you know, when they have been pushed
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: to the margins and were the genuine fire right what
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I call the genuine fire right too, who want to
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: put me on a boat and send me away and
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: a whole host of things, you know, those with clear
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: policies of what it means to be far right. They
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: they have attempted and failed to get the traction that
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: they wanted in a town like ours because of voices
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: like mine. Because as well as doing the podcasting and
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: all the rest of that and the reporting, I've spent
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: the last six years educating my towns folk on what
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: is really going on, how they've been manipulated, how they've
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: been played, and the need to try and build a town. Well,
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: the vast majority of us want to and can live
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: alongside each other. Now, the problem we've got is the
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: mainstream political parties, in particularly the Labor Party, actually don't
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: enjoy that narrative because they need to present a situation
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: where the white working class, if they speak out, they
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: need to think twice before they speak out, because otherwise
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: they'll be racist and far right. And then we've got
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: the Muslim community that they need to understand keeping a
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: place where if it wasn't for them, if it wasn't
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: for the Labor Party and those impositions of power, that
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: the racist white people will go and get them, you know.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: And that's the game the Labor Party have been playing.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: And you've seen that exactly play out in south Port.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Is so it's exactly pay out in south Port and
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: how Keir Starmer reacted and responded that wasn't a series
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: of accidents. That is the Labor Party's strategy of making
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: sure that you keep the white working class in the
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: place they need to be that fear of being demonized
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: as the far right, and then you keep the Muslim
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: scared that if it isn't for the Labor Party, then
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: these racists will go and get them.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Divide and rule.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: It is the oldest trick in the book, right, And
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: it's really important for people to understand this because what
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Rager's been describing this afternoon, and as I think I
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: said right at the start of this is actually something
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: that goes on across the country. It's not just about
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: the Muslim community targeting working class white girls and potentially
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: boys as well.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know about the specifics of it there, but.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: This is something that happens all across the UK, right,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and they're going to use this, try to use this
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: as a way to divide us up, to get us
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: fighting with each other, and ultimately to avoid accountability for
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the people who are actually responsible for facilitating this stuff.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: This is really crucial and we know, and we've known
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: for decades frankly, that this goes right to the top
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: of the British establishment. And also, let's be clear, it's
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: not just the Labor Party either. Yeah, we know that
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: this is an issue for Kriikiple Democrats. Look at Cyril Smith,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: you know also from your side of the Pennines, I believe, right,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: you know, and he was operating in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and you know it was a notorious pedophile. We've got
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: the example from what was it, Tim Fortescu, who was
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: a chief whip working under Maggie Thatcher, who's very famously
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: said on camera in a BBC interview the way that
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: the whipping system works is that if I know that
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: one of my MP's has got a predilection for young boys,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: then I can use that against him to get him
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: to do what I.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Want him to do.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Right, And that's just the political system. Just look at
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: what's happened in the Church of England recently. We justin
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: will be resigning. You know, none of this is isolated
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: to the north. None of this is isolated to Pakistani
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: grooming gangs or Bangladeshi grooming gangs. This is a systemic issue.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: It's just in this instance what we're talking about is
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: extremely focused and pertinent to the political situation because of
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: who's currently in power right now. Right, that's I think
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: really important to set that out. Let me just follow
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: up on Southport, right, because you brought that up and
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: we've spoken about that a lot on the column.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: I did some reporting on it when it happened back
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: in August last year. And the way that the media and.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Certainly Starmer, certainly the political left, people like Diane Abbott,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you know, all of those other kind of faces that
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: we know. But the media as well very much came
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: down on the side of there's no extenuating circumstances here.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: You have to ignore all of the context around what
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: we know has happened in Rocksdale, what we know has
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: happened across the north of England with these grooming gangs.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: You have to ignore all of that.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: You just have to look at this in a completely
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: isolated way. And the only way to understand it is
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that we've got these vicious, racist, far right white working
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: class gangs now across the north of the country, and
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: we've got to demonize them and we've got to stop
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: them in whatever way that we can. And that narrative
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: is completely it's completely false, right, and it ignores everything
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: that we've just talked about over the past.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Hour or so of this interview. Right. It's deliberately set
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: up to cause division now.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: And I use the phrase demonizing the white working class.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I've always used that phrase announced to what the establishment
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: has to do. It's got to demonize the white working class.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: And unfortunately there are you know, because we've also disempowered
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: the white working class. They have increasingly less of an
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: understanding of how they can enact political change, how they
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: can bring about improvements for themselves on their communities. And
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: this is why it leads to rioting. And you look
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: at what took place in south Park. Then the rioting
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: did not take place because those three young girls us
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: were butchered by an Islamist. And for me, he's an Islamist.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: There's tech books Islamist. I've worked in preventment, you know,
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: and I I. And if you've been referred to prevent
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: three times, and or you've got an al Qaeda manual
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: and you've been making rice in your you're an Islamist.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Now this textbook definition. The riots didn't take place because
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: of that. The riots took place because the Prime Minister
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: of our nation and the Home Secretary attempting to deceive us.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: And that is the difference. And he did that on purpose.
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: They did that on purpose, And they did not do
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: that to protect me. They did not do that to
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: protect the Muslims. They did not do that to protect
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: the mosque in south Port. They inflamed the situation knowing
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: full well what would take place. And then they could
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: come down hard right at the beginning of a new government.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: They could come down hard on the community that they
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: considered was to be the enemy within, and then they
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: could teach them a lesson and put them in their place,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: and so they could then continue what we are now seeing.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: And I say this not to in any where dramatize
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: what any of this. What we are now seeing across
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: our country is a government that is at war with
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: its own people.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: I could not agree with.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: You more and that's a message that Brian Gerish from
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: UK column is constantly reinforcing to our viewers. Right the
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: best way to understand what's happening in the country right
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: now is think about your government trying to attack you,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: being at war with you. Everything begins to make a
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: lot more sense. And actually, even just in the past
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: couple of days, in fact, maybe it was even yesterday's
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: speech made by Kirs Starmer where he's trying to turn
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: this into a counter terrorism issue and they're trying to
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: use Southport as a way to increase powers of the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: state ultimately in a very cynical move, and maybe that
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: was the entire purpose of this all along.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: It's shameful, it's shameful. It's disgraceful, but fankfully and I
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: look try and find the positives people such as yourselves,
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: this alternative media platform. Not a single mainstream journalist will
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: interview me on the record. I've got, you know, I've
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: got clear evidence of what's took place. I'm not some nutcase.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not someone who's who's jumping all over the place.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: I've spoken to you now for an hour, and I
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: think your viewers will will agree that I present my
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: position in a very clear and methodical manner. Not a
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: single journalist from the mainstream will interview me, and it's
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: clear now that they are they as in the establishment,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: the political elite, are no longer in control of the
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: narrative in the way they once were, and I fully
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: expect a reaction of work. Platforms such as yours and
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: this social media world will be shut down. And don't
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: for one minute think they haven't tried it before. You
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: only have to go back into our past and look
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: at how the government of the time attempted to stop
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: people working class men and women reading. You know, the
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: chartist movement and the penny publications they produced, and how
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: they were taxed to try and prevent people from reading
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: alternate views and the truth. So this is a strategy
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: that those in control have used repeatedly, and they'll come
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: after us, they'll come after you, they'll come after me,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: and they'll come after platforms such as ours because they
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: don't want us to be able to discuss and debate
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: these issues.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's the first step towards slavery. Actually, like when
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: you're enslaving a population, you restrict their access to information
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: because it means that they aren't able to think, they
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: aren't able to articulate ideas properly, and that's why freedom
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: of speech, freedom of thought is so crucial to a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: flourishing society. Let's talk about the media then, because you've
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: kind of segued into that really nicely. And there are
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: three titles in particular I want to talk about. And
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the first one, I believe it's The Olden Times, and
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: I seem to remember from something that I read, I
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: think it was on your website that they're actually funded
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: by the Council.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Is that Correct Times has a cozy arrangement with the
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Council where the Council slips it money regularly in various
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: advertisement deals and whatnot. It's also that it's reporters are
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: also a lot of them come via something called the
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: Local Democracy Reporting Scheme which is funded by the BBC,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: so it's funded by the tax payer and it's based
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: in Bolton. So the Olden Times doesn't even have a
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: base in the town, is based in Bolton, so it's
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: one of those sorts of publications that's the council mouthpiece. Now,
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: this council mouthpiece has attacked me and tried to help
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: demonize me repeatedly and those of us who speak out,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: and I'll give you just two clear examples. I was
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: falsely arrested by Greater Manchester Police multiple times. The first
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: time they falsely arrested me, eight police officers don raided
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: my house at the instructions of the council leader Aurud
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Shah after her car had been blown up, and they
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: failed to frame me for the car being blown up.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: And the Daily Mail got involved with the MPG in
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: McMahon attempting to frame me for a car being blown up.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: I write pe I talk to people. My viewpoint on
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: the world is one where we need to find out
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: where we can live alongside each other and deal with
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: these issues we have I'm not a violent person. I'm
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: not a criminal any of that. Anyway, they tried to
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: frame me. They failed, and the police then, irrespective of that,
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Dawn raided my house. Had been a complaint made by
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: the council leader, and that collapsed in court in the
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: endy collapsing court because she refused to give evidence, and
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: the evidence she would have given didn't make sense anyway.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: It was a political arrest and an attempt to shut
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: me down. And when they arrested me and my friend
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: of mine picked me up in the afternoon after they
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: bailed me, the Olden Times had already run an article,
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: and they ran an article with the headline man forty
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: eight arrested as part of child sex exploitation investigation. The
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: police really sed that information to the Olden Times. They
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: already knew beforehand, and I got the documents via its.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: So I forced it so to give me documents, even
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: though they didn't find in my favor. The press standards
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: were forced to give me documents that showed how the council,
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: the police and the newspapers were working together before my arrest.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: When they released that information that I had been arrested
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: as part of a child sexual exploitation investigation. They didn't
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: name me, but there was enoughing for it as clear
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: for people to identify who it was. It was completely false, fabricated.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: The police hadn't arrested me for any anything like that,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: but police had arrested me for my political campaigning and
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: claimed I was a racist as a consequence of my
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: political campaign and the cartels that I make reference to
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: and bloggers were friendly with leaders in the council. Immediately
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: underneath that newspaper article, and this is before I'd even
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: been bailed at the police from the police station named me,
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: put a photograph of bit and this is the man
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: who's been arrested as part of a child sex exploitation.
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: His name is Rajer Meir. This is what he looks like.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: This is where he lives, if anyone wants to go
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: and pay him a visit. I went back to the police,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: imploring them to release a statement, saying, at the very least,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: just release a statement saying what you'd arrested me for
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: and what you've bailed me for. Instead, they decided I
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: was now a bail threat. A man who's looking after
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: his terminal mother, who has a daughter in the local
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: primary school, he goes and picks up several times a
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: week and put me under house arrest. So for the
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: best part of a year I was barricading my door
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: at night and I was sleeping with a knife under
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: my pillow because the police were complicit in this, and
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: the police were incomplicit in this because mine was a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: politically motivated arrest and it cannot have took place without
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: senior Labour Party politicians. And it goes all the way back,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: not just to the MP MacMahon, not to the council
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: leader Rudshah, but also to the Mayor's office, the Greater
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Manchester Mayor's office, because Andy Burnham has also powers of
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: police and Crime Commissioner. Now, when this case collapsed in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: court and collapse it did, what the police by that
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: point had done was repeatedly re arrest me. And the
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: second time they re arrested me was because a journalist
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: from the Olden Times had gone to them complaining, and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: they donrated my house again because a journalist had gone
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: to them complaining. A journalist had gone to the complaining
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: saying that I used the word saw s orre in
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: an article had written, defended myself against her and her
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: claims that I was harassing in they were just writing
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: all sorts of nonsense, and the newspapers were involved in this.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: And what I said was, you're a posh woman who
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: lives in a voat somewhere in the South. Your appreciation
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of multicules for Britain comes from textbooks. You've got no
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: lived experience of the towns and places that I call home.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: If you came and spent an evening with me, I'd
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: take you into some of these communities and some of
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: these places, and you would see it's not as complete.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: It's not as simple and black and white as you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: and your fake liberal metropolitan elite believe it to be
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: or would like it to be, because when you come
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: into the very communities where I come from, there are
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: people who do not see me as a racist, and
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: who are very much on my side and want this
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: dealt with. And you would leave with feeling very sore,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: as in a sore head. Your entire reality would be
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: turned upside down. The police decided that was an incitement
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: of rape.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: I said, that's absolutely astonishing. I know the exact type
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: of individual that you're talking about, the sort of metropolitan
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: liberal thing that they know everything because they read an
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: article in the Guardian type yeah, and they don't actually
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: known any black or brown people, is they so elegantly
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: put it. So they just base everything on statistics and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: surveys and their own prejudice frankly about not just immigrant populations,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: but also importantly the white working classes, you know, and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I think they're actually just terrified of everybody as part
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: of the issue that we've got with a lot of
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: these people, you know, they fake Metropolitan League and they
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: hold these positions in social services and councils.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: The most racism they have is towards actually the white
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: working class. They hold them in the most contempt. And
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: the reason why so many of these children were failed
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: was because of the racial, the class bias prejudice by
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: a middle class white elite to their working class communities.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: It's really disgusting, actually, I find that the most objectionable
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: dynamic within all of this, to be honest with you,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: it's just the way that the middle classes are so
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: dismissive ultimately of their own people. You know, it's appalling
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: when you look at it. So let's carry on talking
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: about the media. I want to come back to your
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: experience with the police and the justice system in a moment.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: But we're talking about the olden times, they seem to
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: be well. I mean, frankly, that sounds like they're coordinating
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: with this cabal that we've described, and public funding for
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: independent media is an extremely troublesome area for me. It
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: basically means that they'll never criticize the state right and
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: that's got to be got to be rooted out, not
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: just in a local level, but also if you look
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: at titles like The Guardian and their relationship with the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: NHS around recruitment and stuff like that, it's really really
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: bad news. There are two other media or organizations, both
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: of whom really interestingly I've spoken about here at UK
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: column over the past twelve months now. The first one
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: is The Mill and this is an independent online media
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: setup is presenting itself as kind of the new local
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: voice of the people, not just in Manchester where The
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: Men is based, but also various other places around the UK.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: I think they're in Sheffield, Bristol, maybe Edinburgh they're launching
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: in and this is clearly a new kind of micro
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: network that they're setting up. And the founder of it,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Joshi Herman, he's written a lot about you. What's your
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: experience with Joshi? He is absolute vermin.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: This man took his sites on me, decided that people
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: like me shouldn't be occupying this space. So it started
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: from a position of prejudice. It was clear to me
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: as a position of prejudice working class vices like mine,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: particularly working class vices, brown face, working class voices, speaking
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: on these issues that brown faced people shouldn't be speaking
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: on because I'm on the wrong side. You know, there's
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: a place for me to speak, and that's as a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: victim and someone who's scared, so that that's where he
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: started this. He repeatedly campaigned, openly campaigned against metrolled me,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: you know, abused me online. This is a man who
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: abused me online, trolled me. And his argument was, I've
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: made it up. I've made up the cover up of
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: the groom and gang grape of children, and I've got
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: all of this evidence. I'm speaking to survivors in my town.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: He's never been to my town. He wouldn't have known
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: how to get around my town, and is pandering to
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: that metropolitan elite that need to be told that the
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: Labor Party isn't like this. And you know, and this
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: isn't going on, And he made I think a very
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: financially calculated judgment as to where he could get the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: money from who he would most have a voice with.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: And so what if a few more white girls, that
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: working class white girls are wrecked because he's not from
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: that demographic and he doesn't care about that demographic and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: he definitely doesn't care about my time. But he told
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: me he abused me. It was relentless. It was absolutely
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: relentless online. This is not the actions of a journalist.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Get the sense from reading the pieces that I found
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: in the Mill that they view you. And there's a
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: couple of other people that Mentioned's a guy in North
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: Wales I think as well. It's kind of upper t
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: trouble makers who really just need to shut up and
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: know their place right. It's astonishing like the level of
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: arrogance coming from these people. And by the way, Mill
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Media they substantially backed via a private investment from Mark Thompson,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: who is currently the global chief executive of CNN, and
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: before that he was the chief executive of The New
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: York Times, and before that he was the Director General
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: of the BBC, and when he was Director of General
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: of the BBC intervened to have the famous Panorama episodes
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: that would have exposed the crimes of Jimmy Savill. He
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: had that canceled so that Savile didn't have to face
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: any kind of public scrutiny ial justice before he died. Right, So,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: the level of credibility that the meal we've got to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: talk about issues relating to child sexual abuse and exploitation
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: is frankly zero. It's less than zero. Right, they should
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: not be operating at all in my mind, But to
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: venture out on these issues, to come and target someone
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: like you based on that track record for their key founder,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: it's just astonishing the levels of hydocracy there.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Let's look at this also, what's my track record? Twenty
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: years of public service, safeguarding children, protecting communities from extremism.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I come to this from a place of legitimacy. At
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: the very least, he could have reached out and spoken
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: to me. He did none of that. He went from
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: me from the outset because people like me threaten his existence.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: Because independent online media is revealing, frankly to the population
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: in a way that they're very uncomfortable about. That the establishment, media, politics, police, judiciary,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: all of the different combining parts of the system that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about today are behaving in a way
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: that is absolutely extraordinary and completely unacceptable, and they're trying
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: to put everyone back in the box that they want
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: them to stay in. The Other one that it'd be
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: great to get your thoughts on is Tortoise Media. And
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: when I found one of your tweets, you put up
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: a long tweet a few weeks ago, and when I
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: saw that you had been attacked by the Mill and
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Tortoise Media, who we've been talking about extensively, who are
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: actually now by the back door. I've reported on this
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: previously over the past couple of months on the column.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: They're essentially know in control of the Guardian media group
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: right right, one of them, the kind of key voices
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: in global liberal media taught us are absolutely the center
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: of that whole ecosystem. So they also came after you.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: They've expended a huge amount of time trying to discredit.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: You, cast after podcast on my Bassier. Cummings again never
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: spoke to me very very clear what they were doing.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: They were looking to discredit me. They it was clear
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: to me that the political establishment had deployed the foot
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: soldiers to come after me and add pressure on what
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I was revealing at the time. At the time, I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: was campaigning to remove Labor Party CAP politicians at the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: ballot box to try and force a vote in my
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: town in the council on a public inquiry. So as
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: I was behaving lawfully, legally, I think as a campaigner
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: would do, and these people were deployed against me. Bassier, Cummings,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: absolute disgrace, tortoise media. They are just established. There's just
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: another arm of the establishment. I would say, Ben, is
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: how I now look at them and I know they
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: weren't alone. Was a woman called Hannah and al Ottman
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: who came after me from the Sunday Times. Wrote a
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: hit piece on me on the Sunday Times, got in
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: touch of the whole host of allegations. By this time, Ben,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: I'm a northern working class book. I've had enough. I
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: sent her a photograph. I said, here, write whatever you want,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: here's a nice picture. You know, by that point we
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: were fighting in a completely different way. Whatever you want
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: to say and do to me isn't going to hurt
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: me anymore. There was a woman called Charlotte Green, one
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: of the local democracy reporters, wrote sent me a whole
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: host of questions, wanting to write a massive hit piece
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: on me. I just published her questions online and ridiculed
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: her online with all the evidence that I actually had.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Instead of answering to her, I answered to the people
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: of my town using the camera I'm on. Thousands viewed
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: it and the article never came about. But interestingly, this
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: woman was then rewarded and she I think she works
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: from one of the fact check organizations now, so you
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: can see what's going on here.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: That wouldn't surprise me one bit, to be honest with you.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: And actually the guy that founded Tortuse Media, James Harding,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: who's a close collaborator with members of the Rothschild family
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: by the way, you know, and we talked about this
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: extensively over the past year and a bit. He's a
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: director at Full Fact as well, says there's this, there's
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: this ecosystem of these establishment new independent media types. Is
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: all narrative reinforcement for the for the elite, basically the
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: political the economic elites in this country and further afield.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: So let's let's just focus back on the.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, the political dynamic to this for a minute, right,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: I'd like to just just drag a few people back
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: into the frame quickly because they are this is really critical. Yeah,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: because you know what we're talking about. It's happening at
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: a local level. One person I'll just throw into the
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: mix before I get into this list here actually is
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: one that really jumped out on me. I was doing
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: a little bit of digging and I came across this name,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: Catherine and Green. Are you familiar with Catherine Green? So
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: she's just for viewers. She's working with Andy Burnham now
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: and Manchester. She's the Deputy Mayor of Greater Manchester for
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Policing and Crime. She's been in position for the past
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: couple of years, since twenty twenty three, and interestingly, as
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: UK column viewers will certainly be intrigued by the fact
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: that she was also the chair of the Fabian Society
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: from twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Catherine Green?
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: Yes, Kate Green. Kate Green is what I know her
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: as she was a local MP.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Kate Green.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kate Green and I have been having an
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: interesting series of discourses email exchanges. Were her representatives forever
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: responding to me? Because I'm writing to her regularly wanting
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: her to investigate what's took place, and she's refused to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: investigate and saying no, she has no powers. So the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: Police and Crime Commission is claiming she has no power
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: to investigate the police is the is the email exchange
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: air and the fun and games we're having with Kate
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: Green now Kate Green and before it was Baroness Beverly
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 3: Hughes was her predecessor in that in that role, and
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: it takes me to a place where they've created this
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: layer of Metro mayres, made them very powerful with powers
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: over the police, and it's just it's not it's not
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: improved democracy. These political appointments have just reinforced the power
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: structures that they have and the control that they have been.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: And that is my immediate experience of what's what took
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 3: place and Kate Green. There will be a reckoning if
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: we get the public inquiry, and I'm hopeful we will.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: I'm still confident we will, and we'll campaign we'll get that.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: I will name Kate Green, I will name Andy Burnham,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: I will name every one of them, our main the
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Deputy Prime Minister, Angela Rainer, Jim McMahon and of course
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Debbie Abrams. I will name them all and now evidence
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: the complicity what's took place.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then let's be clear, you just named I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: don't know, a swathe of the top level of the
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: executive in this country.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: Running the country right now.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: He's talking about kir Starmer's Kee lieutenants in a bunch
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: of different areas, right, This goes absolutely right to the top.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And actually, I think one of the most important parts
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: of this for me is the fact that Jim McMahon,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: who was the mayor of Oldham, Right, So this is
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: someone who is actually on the ground, who was intimately
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: aware of and involved in this entire scenario that we're
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: describing here to you today. He's the man who is
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: now responsible as Minister of State for Local Government and
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: he english Devolution for rolling out the Metro mayor model
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: that you've just said. It's actually destroying democracy, it's not
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: improving democracy, and he's allowing them to further entrench a
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  Speaker 2: corrupt power structure.
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  Speaker 3: Man was the leader of the council, fast stragged into
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  Speaker 3: these senior roles. And yeah, the Metro mare scheme is
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  Speaker 3: just reinforcing the existing power structure that is out there
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  Speaker 3: and is and no one in the bigger political parties
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  Speaker 3: who should be speaking out, not speaking out then, and
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  Speaker 3: this is what I don't understand. You know, again, I
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  Speaker 3: look at this, I think if we generally are opposed
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  Speaker 3: to this and speak out, which increasingly makes me think, actually,
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  Speaker 3: they're just two sides of this are the same, the
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  Speaker 3: same kind.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely no doubt that that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, they don't want to cool each other out,
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  Speaker 2: because then they'll start to you know, all the all
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  Speaker 2: the skeletons will come out of the was it right?
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  Speaker 2: And there'll just be a cascade of information that will
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  Speaker 2: destroy the establishment in this country. It's not just the
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  Speaker 2: political parties, you know, they're there to represent the interests
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  Speaker 2: of the city and the royal family, and you know this,
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  Speaker 2: this is the entire thing. Let's let's be let's be
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  Speaker 2: completely clear about that, you know, let's let's let's get
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  Speaker 2: into a couple of maybe slightly more optimistic and positive
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  Speaker 2: things to end on. Right, But the first question I
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  Speaker 2: got for you is what would you like to see
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  Speaker 2: happen next? Int you mentioned the word inquiry, what would
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  Speaker 2: that look like? What should we all be pushing for here?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it should be a national inquiry, a national inquiry
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  Speaker 3: into the into into into the rep gangs. That's what
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  Speaker 3: it is, and that national inquiry also include because they'll
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  Speaker 3: try and and they have and they will try and
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  Speaker 3: try and have it focused on shouldn't we feel sorry
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  Speaker 3: about the survivors? And of course the survivors are one
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  Speaker 3: element of this and their testaments should be told. But
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  Speaker 3: the underlying conditions that allowed to take place. And I
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  Speaker 3: take it back to politics. I take it back to
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  Speaker 3: the block vote. I take it back to how, particularly
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  Speaker 3: in these towns and cities across the country, so been
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  Speaker 3: the Labor party control and their relationships with the cartels,
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  Speaker 3: with the Pakistani cartels and now the splinter group of
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  Speaker 3: the Islamists that I've emerged, and it's in a complete mess.
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  Speaker 3: Postal voting at the heart of this, and we need
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  Speaker 3: to review postal voting. Quite the opposite is happening. I
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  Speaker 3: heard Angela Rainer stand up and speak very recently that
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  Speaker 3: she wants to get rid of voter ID, which is
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  Speaker 3: one of the steps we took to try and protect
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  Speaker 3: our democracy. She wants to get rid of that make
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  Speaker 3: it easier. So I think a national inquiry needs to
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  Speaker 3: take place. I think one of some form will take place.
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  Speaker 3: They've got Baroness Casey and who's just an establishment fixer
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  Speaker 3: to do this deep dive, and I think she'll try
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  Speaker 3: and contain what the conditions and what becomes a national inquiry.
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  Speaker 3: I think it will have to have a national inquiry.
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  Speaker 3: And what they will try and do is control the
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  Speaker 3: parameters of that national inquiry or where it can look
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  Speaker 3: and more importantly, where it won't look. And we need
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  Speaker 3: to be aware of the games they're playing, and this
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  Speaker 3: is how we've beat them in all them repeatedly. Then
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  Speaker 3: I come from a place of politics, and I know
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  Speaker 3: the games they play, and I knew what move they
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  Speaker 3: were going to make next, and our town and the
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  Speaker 3: people of our town, working class people of our town,
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  Speaker 3: counted them at every step. And now we need the
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  Speaker 3: nation and the people across our country to be able
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  Speaker 3: to understand what they will next do and be equipped
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  Speaker 3: with the skills to counter them.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And that's really what I would like to close
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  Speaker 2: on today. You've had some phenomenal success in combating labor
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  Speaker 2: in Oldham.
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  Speaker 1: I think that correct me if I'm wrong.
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  Speaker 2: They had forty seven council seats, you know that got
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  Speaker 2: that down to twenty seven council seats.
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  Speaker 1: It's a war of attrition.
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  Speaker 2: You're taking out a number of leaders of the labor
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  Speaker 2: council in Oldham. How have you got about doing that?
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  Speaker 2: And how can we replicate this approach across the country?
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  Speaker 3: Political education, working class, go into the working class communities,
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  Speaker 3: engaging with them on the issues they care about, educate
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  Speaker 3: their own to represent their own and politically, educate them
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  Speaker 3: on how he can take out the existing power structure.
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  Speaker 3: And they've tried to put me in prison for that. Men.
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  Speaker 3: They had a fast strike charging decision just before the
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  Speaker 3: election where we took out Amanda Chaditan, who was the
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  Speaker 3: third council leader in a row. Don raided my house again,
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  Speaker 3: arrested me. It took me away and all pretty much
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  Speaker 3: owned up and the reason I was being arrested and
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  Speaker 3: an attempt to put me in prison on remand. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not a criminal, never have been a criminal. The reason
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  Speaker 3: why they wanted to put me in remand was because
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  Speaker 3: of my political campaigning and how effective I was being.
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  Speaker 3: They failed because no one would sign off on the
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  Speaker 3: order to imprison me. No one had the courage to
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  Speaker 3: sign off on the order to put me in prison.
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  Speaker 3: And we took out Amanda Chaditan and this is the
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  Speaker 3: interesting thing or another one of the interesting layers. So
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  Speaker 3: we took out a council leader involved the cover up
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  Speaker 3: of the grooming and gang grape of children, and then
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  Speaker 3: Ivette Cooper Hireder as a campaign manager the now home secretary.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, it just never ends, does it? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Look, Roger, this has been a fantastic discussion, a potentially
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  Speaker 2: explosive discussion. I think in many ways, it's been great
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  Speaker 2: to talk to you. I've really enjoyed meeting you today,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been following your website and your YouTube channel,
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  Speaker 2: and I think everyone else should too. So how do
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  Speaker 2: people keep up with your work and possibly help support
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  Speaker 2: what you're doing?
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  Speaker 1: Please?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're one hundred percent. This is a community campaign,
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  Speaker 3: is a grassroots campaign. It's an authentic campaign. I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: in years to come people will look back and take
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: stock of what we managed to achieve in our town.
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  Speaker 3: And it was just a small group of ordinary people
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  Speaker 3: who decided they'd had enough of what was taking place
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  Speaker 3: around them. You follow me on x is Requicent, Underscore
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  Speaker 3: Raja and the web page where everything is linked is
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: redwallanth Erubble dot UK. You god there, you'll find everything else.
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  Speaker 2: It will provide links to all of those in the
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  Speaker 2: show notes. That's going to leave it there for now.
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  Speaker 2: I think we're going to have to have you back
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  Speaker 2: at some point, not least to talk about the tactics
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  Speaker 2: you've been using at a local level to replace labor counselors.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's something that people will be really interested in.
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  Speaker 2: Anything that involves positive action, it's going to be a
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  Speaker 2: good thing. Roger me it's been an absolute pleasure to
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  Speaker 2: talk to you today. Thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for your courage in taking on these extremely
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  Speaker 2: important and challenging issues and talking truth to power quite
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: frankly in a way that most people will not. Good
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  Speaker 2: for you and for now you've been watching UK column.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Ben Rubin. Thank you very much for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Take care, Thank you,