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The Sabbi Controversy · Outspoken the Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
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  Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Sophie Torber and coming up on today's show, a controversial
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  Speaker 1: Aussie fashion brand has been accused of painting over an
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  Speaker 1: Australian artist's work. The influx of influencer baby news and
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  Speaker 1: our Friday debrief. But first, as we predicted, Indie Clinton
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have an office job. It was all an elaborate
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  Speaker 1: publicity stunt to announce her as the ambassador of a
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  Speaker 1: new hair care brand Kate, a lot of people tweaked
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  Speaker 1: it was a marketing tactic, but it seems to have
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  Speaker 1: done the trick for them. Yeah, it really did generate
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  Speaker 1: a buzz for the hair care brand. It got a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people talking, including us. So hats off to
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  Speaker 1: the marketing team. We have spoken about it on the
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  Speaker 1: podcast several times before, but as a refresher for those
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  Speaker 1: who may have missed it, about a month ago, a
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  Speaker 1: video of Indy Clinton working in an office job went viral.
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  Speaker 1: That video was supposedly captured by a co-worker and shared
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  Speaker 1: to TikTok anonymously. And while a lot of people took
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  Speaker 1: the bait and thought Indy genuinely had a career change,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people were skeptical it was a PR stunt.
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  Speaker 1: And on Monday, Indy revealed it was in fact a
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  Speaker 1: marketing tactic to promote a new hair care company called Boof.
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  Speaker 1: As we guessed last week, the company has been launched
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  Speaker 1: by TBH skincare owner Rachel Wild. But there has been
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  Speaker 1: a bit of confusion about what exactly Indy's role in
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  Speaker 1: the brand is because A lot of people wondered if
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  Speaker 1: she maybe had bought into the company due to this
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  Speaker 1: whole stunt around her being a worker there. Particularly also
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  Speaker 1: because of the language she used in one of her
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  Speaker 1: TikTok videos because she shared her using the product for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of months and said, if this is really good,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to launch it. So she obviously feels very
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  Speaker 1: much a part of the team. But in a media
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  Speaker 1: release that we received from the brand, they said she
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  Speaker 1: is just an ambassador. That is the messaging that has
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  Speaker 1: gone out on social media as well. I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: surprised if maybe she had a bit of a stake
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  Speaker 1: in the company. Now, I have to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: fact that on Friday morning after our segment on Indy
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  Speaker 1: Clinton and bouff hair aired, I got a LinkedIn request
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  Speaker 1: from Indy. So did you. So did Amy. I laughed
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  Speaker 1: so much and thought, what a sense of humor. I
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  Speaker 1: had a laugh because her job was listed as social
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  Speaker 1: and growth specialist. Now, the product that they have launched
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  Speaker 1: is a hair growth serum. So it seems like they
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  Speaker 1: were having a bit of fun with that one. Yeah. Now,
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  Speaker 1: there has been a lot of praise for this marketing stunt,
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  Speaker 1: but what seems to have confused a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: is the promotional video that they released this week featuring
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  Speaker 1: Indie Clinton. As you touched on, Kate, they are selling
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  Speaker 1: a new hair growth serum, which is being targeted at
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  Speaker 1: postpartum women. So with Indie being such a prolific mummy blogger,
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  Speaker 1: it makes sense for her to be the face of
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  Speaker 1: this campaign because she has spoken about her postpartum hair
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  Speaker 1: loss before. However, in the video, it didn't make sense
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  Speaker 1: because she was wearing all of these elaborate wigs and
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  Speaker 1: hair extensions. Yeah, for those who haven't seen the video,
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  Speaker 1: she's dressed up in a range of retro outfits and
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  Speaker 1: she's performing a lot of household tasks. So she's dancing
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  Speaker 1: in the kitchen. She's also doing a workout. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, she's wearing these ridiculously long wigs. And
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  Speaker 1: one follower wrote, don't get me wrong, this is cool,
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  Speaker 1: but also I'm not drawn to buying hair care when
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  Speaker 1: the model has fake hair slash extensions. It's just hard
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  Speaker 1: to see how a product can be effective when we
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  Speaker 1: aren't shown the real results. Someone also wrote to Indie
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok, your hair looks fantastic, but whoever's idea it
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  Speaker 1: was to wear wigs for hair growth promotion should rethink
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  Speaker 1: that idea. Now, Indie replied saying it's a hair campaign
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  Speaker 1: inspired by the 60s. It's meant to be big and
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  Speaker 1: goofy like the results you get from the product. It's
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  Speaker 1: tongue in cheek and fun. Emphasis on a fun campaign
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  Speaker 1: brought to life. Do you think that their decision to
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  Speaker 1: incorporate wigs into this campaign is going to affect whether
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  Speaker 1: people buy this product or not? Do you think people
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  Speaker 1: won't believe in the product because of it? Well, Indie
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  Speaker 1: actually went on to share her results on her TikTok
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  Speaker 1: and she shared that she's been using the product since January.
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  Speaker 1: And this actually further disillusioned people because people were like,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, you've gone back to your natural hair color.
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  Speaker 1: You used to be blonde. Your baby isn't even that
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  Speaker 1: young anymore. So your hair's probably just grown back. So
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  Speaker 1: it didn't seem like anyone was happy with anything this
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  Speaker 1: brand was putting out. Anyone who has thin hair knows
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  Speaker 1: that it takes a lot longer than a year to
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  Speaker 1: get your hair back into some sort of condition, to
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  Speaker 1: be fair to Indy. Well, my son Jack is nearly
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  Speaker 1: one years old and my hair is looking so bad.
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  Speaker 1: Like it started to regrow back. If anything, a couple
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  Speaker 1: of months after you give birth, your hair is actually
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  Speaker 1: looking pretty good. It takes a little while for that
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  Speaker 1: hair loss to actually happen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, at the end of the day, I actually
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  Speaker 1: don't think that that's going to impact the sales anyway,
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  Speaker 1: because it's had so much traction, so much engagement. So
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  Speaker 1: many people know about it now. So I think the
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  Speaker 1: people that want to give it a try will give
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  Speaker 1: it a try. I think with hair growth serums and
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  Speaker 1: those types of products, people are always a little bit
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  Speaker 1: dubious and they're happy to see if it works for them.
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  Speaker 1: I think it will depend on the price point as well.
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  Speaker 1: Knowing TBH and how strong they are at marketing, particularly
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok, they are going to be sending this product
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  Speaker 1: to a lot of postpartum women and getting potentially micro
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  Speaker 1: influences to do very, realistic before and afters, which is
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  Speaker 1: really what drives people at the moment. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: when you see everyday people testing out a product and
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  Speaker 1: giving their real and honest opinion, that's what makes me
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  Speaker 1: want to buy something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Before we wrap things up, it was quite funny in
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  Speaker 1: Indy's comment section, there were a lot of American fans
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  Speaker 1: that were surprised by the brand's name. So someone says,
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  Speaker 1: does Boof not mean the same thing in Australia as
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  Speaker 1: it does in America? So Sophie, do you know what
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  Speaker 1: Boof means in America? No, I have absolutely no idea.
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  Speaker 1: So boof or boofing, spelt with a double O, is
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  Speaker 1: a slang term for inserting drugs or alcohol into your
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  Speaker 1: anus to produce a more immediate high. Oh, can you
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  Speaker 1: imagine them in the TBH office realising this? Like, fuck,
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  Speaker 1: first the wigs, now this drugs and the anus thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the Australian term is for bouffant, which
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  Speaker 1: is a style of hair in the 60s. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what they were going for. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Morning. I know I'm wearing a very controversial top today,
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  Speaker 2: but it's only to get your attention because I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: for recommendations on something that I can buy in replace
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  Speaker 2: of this sabi tee.
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  Speaker 1: The owner of a controversial Australian fashion brand has been
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  Speaker 1: accused of painting over Australian artist Tani Kaelin's work and
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  Speaker 1: uploading the results to Instagram. The heartbroken artist believes the
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  Speaker 1: brazen act was a form of retaliation after she recently
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  Speaker 1: started selling oversized t-shirts with her artwork on it. The
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  Speaker 1: fashion brand in question has carved out a name for
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  Speaker 1: itself for marketing oversized tees with positive affirmations. So if
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  Speaker 1: this story is erupting on TikTok, how did it all
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  Speaker 1: come about? Well, it all kicked off when Tani made
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  Speaker 1: the revelation during a Q & A on Instagram. Now,
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  Speaker 1: she is a painter and a muralist based in her
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  Speaker 1: hometown of Mandurah in WA. And she jumped on her
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  Speaker 1: stories to explain that she was initially hesitant to open
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  Speaker 1: up about the incident and spent weeks considering what to do. Now,
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  Speaker 1: she finally decided that staying silent was not an option
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  Speaker 1: and she was ready to speak out. So Tani alleges
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  Speaker 1: that an Australian fashion brand purchased one of her paintings
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  Speaker 1: last year for $ 3, 000. That piece in question was one
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  Speaker 1: of her favorite originals called Get Out of Your Own Way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of our listeners have seen this
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  Speaker 1: painting popping up on TikTok this week. It's a really
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  Speaker 1: cool piece. It has two mermaids each on the back
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  Speaker 1: of a horse with cowboy hats on. It's an original piece.
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  Speaker 1: And like a lot of Tani's work, there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of textures on the canvas. Now, Tani alleges that the
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  Speaker 1: local fashion brand in question, who she chose not to name,
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  Speaker 1: is painted over her artwork and posted them doing so online. Now, understandably,
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  Speaker 1: she got very emotional over this and wrote, it's like
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  Speaker 1: watching someone hurt someone you love and saying nothing. It's
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  Speaker 1: painful to see any of my work erased, but especially
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  Speaker 1: this one. It held a lot of meaning for me.
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  Speaker 1: I wish they'd simply passed it on, not covered it up.
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  Speaker 1: Artists are sensitive, emotional beings. When we create with meaning,
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  Speaker 1: we're offering up a part of ourselves. It's vulnerable. It's honest.
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  Speaker 1: It's real. I'm sharing this because artists deserve better. Our
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  Speaker 1: work isn't disposable. It's a piece of our heart and soul.
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  Speaker 1: And when it's treated that way, it hurts more than
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  Speaker 1: people realize. It's just incomprehensible to me that someone would
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  Speaker 1: paint over an artist's work. And what's even more unbelievable
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  Speaker 1: is that they would brazenly share themselves doing it online.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems like the ultimate act of disrespect and
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  Speaker 1: almost like This individual was waving a flag in the
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  Speaker 1: artist's face, wanting some form of reaction from them. Now,
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  Speaker 1: despite Tani not naming the fashion brand, it wasn't long
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  Speaker 1: before her followers started connecting the dots and realized that
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  Speaker 1: she was talking about the controversial clothing brand Sabi. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the brand is known for selling oversized t-shirts, ironically, with
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  Speaker 1: positive affirmations across them. It is owned by husband and
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  Speaker 1: wife team Jace McDonald and Ash Tardrew, who live in Queensland. Now,
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  Speaker 1: those names may sound familiar to listeners as back in March,
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  Speaker 1: we covered the internet bloodbath that broke out between Sabi
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  Speaker 1: and author turned TikToker Kate Forster. So some of Kate's
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  Speaker 1: followers had noticed a growing number of mummy influencers sharing
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  Speaker 1: far right views wearing Sabi shirts. And this led Kate
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  Speaker 1: to do some research into the brand. And she quickly
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  Speaker 1: discovered that one of the owners, Jace, was following Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump on his personal account. The response was pretty mixed online.
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  Speaker 1: There were some followers who started threatening to boycott Sabi,
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  Speaker 1: whilst others sent an influx of hate towards Kate Forster.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, her TikTok actually ended up getting mass reported,
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  Speaker 1: which then triggered every single one of her videos to
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  Speaker 1: be removed. So it impacted her greatly. In response, Sabi
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  Speaker 1: put out a lengthy written statement, but didn't address the
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  Speaker 1: elephant in the room. whether or not they politically support
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  Speaker 1: or align with Donald Trump. They said they didn't want
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  Speaker 1: to talk about political views because they're not political, but
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  Speaker 1: went on to clarify that Jason followed Trump to keep
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  Speaker 1: an eye on Congress. importation tariffs. Now, I want to
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  Speaker 1: get into the reason why people are convinced that Tani
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  Speaker 1: is talking about Sabi, and that is because a few
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  Speaker 1: weeks prior, the owner, Ash, uploaded a video of her
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  Speaker 1: painting a canvas. Now, the canvas in question was to
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  Speaker 1: go over her bed, and in true Sabi style, had
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  Speaker 1: a massive positive affirmation, which she painted across it. So
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  Speaker 1: in the reel, you can see that Ash has painted
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  Speaker 1: the background of this really large canvas, a mixture of yellows, oranges,
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  Speaker 1: and pinks. She then added very messy writing across it,
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  Speaker 1: which took up the entire canvas and read, Dear me,
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  Speaker 1: you are not perfect, but you are enough. Don't believe
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  Speaker 1: the lies you tell yourself. You have a magic inside
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  Speaker 1: you that no one else on this planet has. And
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  Speaker 1: just because you can't see it all the time doesn't
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  Speaker 1: mean it isn't there. Take a breath, you are doing
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  Speaker 1: the best you can and that is enough. Now the
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  Speaker 1: comment section was flooded by customers admiring her work with
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  Speaker 1: one going as far as saying they wish they could
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  Speaker 1: commission a piece from her. Now I want to put
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  Speaker 1: it out there for those of you who haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: this canvas yet but after Ash was finished with it,
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  Speaker 1: it literally looked like a dog's breakfast. I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: that anyone was saying that they wanted this on their wall.
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  Speaker 1: The background was so messy and sloppy. It was not
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  Speaker 1: a work of art by any means. And whilst these
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  Speaker 1: are allegations at this stage, I want to say if
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  Speaker 1: Ash has painted over Tani's work with this absolute abomination,
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  Speaker 1: it is the most disgusting and disrespectful thing I've seen
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  Speaker 1: in such a long time. I mean, not only does
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  Speaker 1: it look completely amateur, but the nerve to cover someone's
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  Speaker 1: artwork that they've put their blood, sweat and tears into
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  Speaker 1: with essentially a love letter to yourself about how wonderful
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  Speaker 1: you are. It's beyond belief. It's just crazy, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people have been rightly questioning though, how
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  Speaker 1: can you tell the original artwork has been painted over?
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  Speaker 1: Because in this video, she didn't start off with Tani's
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  Speaker 1: work and show herself covering it. So a lot of
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  Speaker 1: TikTokers have been doing God's work for us. As you
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  Speaker 1: touched on earlier, Kate, Tani's style of painting uses a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different textures and they are very evident in
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  Speaker 1: the original artwork. So a number of TikTokers have zoomed in.
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  Speaker 1: on both of the artworks to point out many of
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  Speaker 1: the clear texture lines that are visible in both of
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  Speaker 1: the pieces. And other TikTokers are also convinced that you
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  Speaker 1: can see a faint outline of the horses and mermaids
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  Speaker 1: in the background of Ash's print. The prints are also
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  Speaker 1: the exact same size. So there are a few telltale
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  Speaker 1: signs that this potentially is the same artwork. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's important to point out that We don't know this
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  Speaker 1: as fact. They are just allegations at this stage. Sabi
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  Speaker 1: has since removed the reel of Ash's painting, but they
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  Speaker 1: are yet to put out a statement or comment publicly
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  Speaker 1: on the fallout. If Tani's claims are true, the burning
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  Speaker 1: question is why? Why would you cover up and erase
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  Speaker 1: an artist's work? Well, Tani thinks she knows the answer.
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  Speaker 1: So in the same Q & A, she alleged that
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  Speaker 1: one of Sabi's staff members accused her of copying Sabi's design.
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  Speaker 1: So as well as selling original artworks, Tani has also
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  Speaker 1: been selling oversized t-shirts for the past year, which have
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  Speaker 1: her artwork on it. They're really cool. And she alleges
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  Speaker 1: that the Sabi worker accused her of copying their iconic
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  Speaker 1: flame design and using it on one of her t-shirts.
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  Speaker 1: She wrote, I'm assuming that maybe that's what their issue is,
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  Speaker 1: but that's only an assumption. I have no idea the
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  Speaker 1: real reason, and I'm sure I'll never find out. It
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  Speaker 1: does lead you to question if Ash did paint over
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  Speaker 1: this artwork. Did she purposely do this as retribution? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the fact that she filmed it would suggest potentially she did. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like there has been a bit of competition
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  Speaker 1: between these two t-shirt brands because a follower also wrote
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  Speaker 1: to Tani, did you notice Sabi do drops two hours
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  Speaker 1: before every drop you have? To which Tani replied, no,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't notice this, but a few other people messaged
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  Speaker 1: me last night telling me this. Not sure if it's true,
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  Speaker 1: but if it is true, there's 8 billion people in
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  Speaker 1: the world. I think there's room for everyone. This is
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  Speaker 1: all so weird. Now, there has been a massive response
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  Speaker 1: online to this unfolding story with the internet collectively turning
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  Speaker 1: on Sabi and calling to cancel the Aussie brand. Many
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  Speaker 1: women have shared TikToks about how they're now embarrassed to
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  Speaker 1: wear their Sabi shirts in public, which is a shame
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  Speaker 1: because they're quite expensive t-shirts. They're bloody ugly though. I
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  Speaker 1: have to put it out there. Someone else shared this
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  Speaker 1: sentiment online. Let's throw to what they said.
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  Speaker 3: I made a TikTok probably a year ago about this
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  Speaker 3: exact subject and I posted it for all of three
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  Speaker 3: seconds and then I was like.
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  Speaker 3: Because it was such an unpopular opinion at the time
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  Speaker 3: because it was peak cult.
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  Speaker 1: Peak cult. Peak fucking uniform.
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  Speaker 3: Savvy shirts are fucking ugly. That's my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: And I wish I said something about it sooner because now...
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  Speaker 3: Now it's like come to light that they're not fucking
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  Speaker 3: great people. Savvy lovers are going to come after me
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  Speaker 3: in the comments. That's fine. Your shirt's fucking ugly. I'd
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  Speaker 3: be pretty disappointed if I spent fucking 80 bucks on
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  Speaker 3: a shirt and it faded to the shit as well
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  Speaker 3: and just turned into a fucking white Anko shirt.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like to badmouth Australian brands, but in my
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  Speaker 1: personal opinion, I would not wear a loud t-shirt like this,
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  Speaker 1: particularly after all these allegations have come out. Another TikTok
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  Speaker 1: user summed it up well, creating a video saying, what
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  Speaker 1: are we all doing with our Sabi shirts after what
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  Speaker 1: happened with Tani Keelan's work? And one user suggested in
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  Speaker 1: the comment section that they should send all of them
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  Speaker 1: to Tani to paint over. There has been a camp
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  Speaker 1: of people who I'm guessing don't work in a creative
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  Speaker 1: field who have said, well, what's the big deal? The
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  Speaker 1: brand in question bought the artwork. They can essentially now
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  Speaker 1: do whatever they want with it. However, that is actually
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  Speaker 1: not true. Tani and her work are protected under Australia's
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  Speaker 1: Copyright Act for moral rights. So Under Australian copyright law,
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  Speaker 1: buying a physical artwork like a painting or sculpture does
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily give you the legal right to deface, modify
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  Speaker 1: or destroy it, particularly if the artist still holds moral rights.
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  Speaker 1: So when you buy a piece of art, you own
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  Speaker 1: the physical object, but copyright and moral rights often remain
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  Speaker 1: with the artist unless they've been explicitly wavered or assigned.
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  Speaker 1: So essentially under this moral right act, the artist still
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  Speaker 1: has the right of integrity, which In this case, it
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  Speaker 1: has not been kept. I mean, you can't just simply
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  Speaker 1: do whatever you want with an artist's painting, particularly when
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  Speaker 1: you are then going to post about it on social
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  Speaker 1: media or display the new artwork in public. I never
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  Speaker 1: really thought about it before, but it makes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of sense because you think about all of the beautiful
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: historic artwork that hangs in galleries. I mean, I'd never
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: really considered that someone rich could buy it and destroy
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: it all, but I'm glad to hear that it's actually
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: protected by law. Well, this isn't Australian law, but I'm
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: sure other countries have something similar. I mean, people have
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: been pointing out, look, this wasn't a Kmart reprint of
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: a canvas that you can take home and essentially do
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: as you please. This is an Australian artist's original artwork
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: that has been destroyed. It's disgusting. I mean, just go
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: buy a blank canvas. Are you going to tell everyone
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: if you're having a baby brother or a baby sister?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: He can't talk yet. No, he can't. So that's why
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: we have said it on the pod today. Now, Tuesday
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: was a very big day for influencer babies. Two Aussie
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: influencers announced they were pregnant while another gave birth. The
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: one that shocked me the most was Jade Tunchi. So
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: she announced on Tuesday that she's joining the Two Under
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Two Club. So she shared a carousel of professional photos
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: from a family photo shoot and wrote, Locke, Fletcher and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I are overjoyed to share that our little family will
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: be growing this December. I immediately screenshot this as soon
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: as I saw it and sent it to you, Kate,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: because I knew that you would have a big reaction
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: to this because you had your son, Jack, around a
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: very similar time to Jade had Fletcher. And I know
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that you just couldn't wrap your head around the fact
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: that she's having another one so soon. Oh, I had
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: to do a double take because, hang on, this can't
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: be correct because, yeah, Fletcher is four days younger than Jack.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: And I'm currently... Getting ready for Jack's birthday party and
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the thought of being pregnant with a second one. I mean,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: I send my love to Jade Tunchi. That would be
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: so difficult. She's had such a big transformation since becoming
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: a mom. I think before motherhood, people found her content
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: quite confusing because she was trying to be comedic about stuff,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: but then she wasn't that relatable. So people didn't get it.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: But now that she's a mom and she's been sharing
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the reality of motherhood, people are like, I get you now. Yeah,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: she's actually very funny. I mean, I was one of
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: those people that didn't really like her content and now
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I really enjoy it. And she has been really vulnerable
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: in sharing everything that she's been going through. I mean,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I was glued to her Instagram story when she was
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: trying to get Fletcher to sleep in his own cot. Well,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: because they're still struggling with his sleep at the moment,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: which is why I'm like, oh my God, those poor
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: people adding a newborn baby into the mix as well. Well,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it's funny looking at TikTok and Instagram's reaction because on Instagram-
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: She shared these beautiful family photos and people were so
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: excited and sharing their love. However, she shared a different
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: announcement on TikTok. It was a video of her walking
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: along the beach and she turned around to show off
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: her baby bump. She's currently on this holiday at the
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Great Barrier Reef and I think that's where she shot
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the video. And people's reactions were so different on TikTok.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: A lot of people were like, oh my God, what
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: are you doing? Someone wrote, congratulations. I have two under two.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful, but please prepare yourself mentally. I have a
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: village of support and still cry weakly. People don't need this.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Another said two under two is rough. Good luck. Fortunately
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: for Jade, a lot of moms chimed in saying the
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: opposite and that they love the experience of having two
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: under two. I have to admit though, my TikTok algorithm
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: at the moment is people talking about how hellish two
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: under two are. Just in case Jade's listening. Oh, I
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: don't want to say it to her. I mean, I'm
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: sure it's a beautiful experience, but A lot of people
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: are saying one is an accessory and two is a lifestyle.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I just have no idea how our mom had three
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: at the same time. Like I just have so much respect. Well,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it's funny you say that because Jade's sister actually commented
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: saying three babies at Christmas. And a lot of people
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that Jade's sister is 38 weeks pregnant. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: she's talking about Jade's two and her one. But it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: threw people saying, oh, my God, have you just announced
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: that Jade is having twins? In saying that, Jade has
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: revealed on her podcast that she is having another boy.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: So she said that she and Locke were hoping maybe
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: it was a girl, but they're really happy to have
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a brother for Fletcher. Now, Ella Ding also announced that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant on Tuesday, but in a rather unorthodox way.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: So the former maths contestant broke the news with a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: sponsored post for Clear Blue. So the pregnancy test was
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: front and center in the photo that she shared of
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: her and her husband. And she wrote on Instagram, somewhere
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: between healing and hustling, the next chapter quietly chose us.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Baby Palermo, you've already made our story sweeter and given
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: us the best news of 2025 yet. She then finished
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: the caption with the hashtags ad and clear blue confirmed.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I love that she references hustling in this because this
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is the ultimate hustle to have your pregnancy announcement sponsored.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you do? Do you know that
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you're pregnant and then go around to brands saying, hey,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: would you like to sponsor this post? I would be
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: fascinated to know how this all came about. Yeah, well,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: her former best friend and maths alumni, Dom, was quick
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: to call out the sponsorship deal. So under a post
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: that Influencer Updates AU shared about the news, she wrote,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: even has to monetize her pregnancy announcement. Some people will
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: never change. Wow. It's interesting to point out that Dom
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: is also pregnant at the moment. So she announced just
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: two months ago, that she was expecting a baby with
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: her partner, Jared. A couple of days after the announcement, though,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: she revealed she'd broken up with Jared and would be
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: raising the baby as a single mum. I mean, things
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: have not been good between Dom and Ella ever since
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: they announced that they were pulling the pin on their podcast,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Sit With Us, back in August 2024. Maybe they'll get
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the band back together to do a mothering podcast or something.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I could see that happening. No, that is definitely not happening.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: They're not even on talking terms at the moment. Yeah,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: but motherhood seems to change people. Maybe they'll have this
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: epiphany and be like, we should– come together and forgive.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe in the newborn phase, but not when they've got
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: pregnancy hormonal rage going on. That could make things worse.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: That could make the feud even deeper.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Well, Dom actually spoke about this feud on her podcast
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or her new podcast called Mad Woman recently. And at
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the time, there was a lot of speculation that their
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: podcast ended because they had a falling out. She confirmed
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: that that was the case. No way. And it all
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: stemmed from the backlash they received after interviewing Math's 2024 villain,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Jack Dunkley. So at the time, if you recall, they
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: were slammed by Abby Chatfield for platforming him. And it
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: turns out that Dom and Ella had very differing opinions
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: on how to handle the situation, which led to the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: friendship breakdown. Now on Tuesday, again, it seemed to be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a very special day. Christy Swadling gave birth to her
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: first son, Rocco. And she has been very open about
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: her fertility struggles. She shared her journey to conceive with
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: her followers, including undergoing IVF. So it was really lovely
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to see her finally have her baby boy. So if
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: we usually dissect the baby name, all I could think
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: about was that ABC kids show, Rocco's Modern Life. I've
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: actually got the theme song stuck in my head at
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the moment. What a blast from the past. I forgot
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: about that show. Look, I'm holding back on my comments
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: about baby names, seeing as mine's going to be coming
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: out in a few weeks. I don't want to be
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: too harsh to anyone there. Yeah. Well, Christy kept her
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: followers updated on her Instagram story throughout the day of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the birth. So she actually started experiencing contractions on the
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Sunday and ended up being induced on Tuesday. And she
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: revealed if she didn't go into labor that night, she
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: would have had to have her waters broken the following day. Fortunately,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: she gave birth that night and wrote on her Instagram story,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: that escalated so quickly and I had a fully unmedicated birth.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I wasn't planning to laugh out loud. Birth story is
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: wild and keen to share. Now, as for Steph Claire Smith,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: at the time of recording, we are still on Baby
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Watch and On her TikTok, she was doing a little
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: sort of segment where each day she'd film a TikTok
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: where she was dancing until the baby was there. Boogieing. Boogieing, sorry.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But she abruptly stopped that because I think she realized, oh, fuck,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that means everyone will know when I go into labor.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So she did go quiet. on social media over the weekend,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: which did prompt fans to speculate perhaps she'd given birth.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: She was back, though, with a fresh bump photo shoot.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I thought we'd seen the last of those. Oh, my God.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: If I see this– I know this sounds terrible. If
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I see that bump one more time, like, I literally
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: feel like I've seen her own bump more than my
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: own bump. Like, fucking hell. You know the people that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: feel like they've been pregnant forever? Anna McAvoy is on
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: that level for me as well, where I feel like
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: those two women have both been pregnant for the longest time.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Anna actually had Steph on her podcast recently. She's got
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a pregnancy podcast out and I didn't realize they're actually
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: go back a while. They modeled together. Well, they were
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: both poop airing it in the studio. They both had
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: their bumps out and it just looked hilarious because I'm
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: used to seeing maybe one woman being edgy with a
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: pregnant bump out, but it just looked funny. Look, they
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: both have beautiful pregnancy bumps. They do. I I'm very
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: envious of their shape. I have to put it out there.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I've been wanting to speak about this for a while
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure some will tell me if you can relate.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like I have a bee belly bump. Maybe
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm feeling sensitive. You need to explain because
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you keep using this word bee belly and you don't
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: give it any context. What does that even mean? So
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: basically there are two pregnancy shapes. One looks like a D.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: So if you're thinking of a D, so it's like
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: a round, a beautiful round belly. Mine looks like it's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: got two bumps, like a B. So capital B. Like
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a capital B. Do you know what? I'm very sensitive
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: over it. Maybe that's why I'm not getting mine out.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: I just thought of something to make you feel better.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Didn't Molly Mae have that as well? Did she? Yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: she complained that she didn't have the bump that she wanted.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure she, now that you have explained it,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: had a B belly as well. Oh, okay. Well, I'm
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: in good company there anyway. I have totally hijacked this story.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Well, back to Steph. So as you said, we are
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: on Pregnancy Watch, but on Thursday– She and Laura decided
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to use her impending birth to tease a new update
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: for their fitness app, Kick. Let's throw to the clip. Hello.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Have you had your baby yet? Are you in labour?
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: They're very comfortable in there, obviously, but no, they are
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: coming any day now.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: And it got me thinking, we haven't had an update
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on that thing yet. Have you guys decided when we're
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: doing that thing? So we are launching.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Sunday.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: But don't worry, it's all sorted and it's going to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: be amazing. I really hope that it's more exciting than
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: their last marketing campaign, which was a bit of a
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: flop over that whole Pilates hotline where people could ring
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in and ask about personalized Pilates plans because they really
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: did hype that up. Yeah, I'm intrigued to see what
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it is. I have been using Kik, I think now
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: for six or seven years. So I've always been a
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: fan of the app. Yeah, it is a great app.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think some of their marketing promotions
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: have been interesting of late. Laura Henshaw's husband, who owns
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Bullfrog Media, has been responsible for a lot of those campaigns.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: So there's probably a bit of pressure on him now
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: to put out something that really resonates with their audience.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Let's get into our Friday debrief. And I have had
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: quite an interesting morning. So those of you who know Archie,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: who is not the name of my unborn son, that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: is in fact my caucus manual, just a fun fact there. Yeah,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: we actually had a few confused listeners because you were
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: talking about the card Brandon gave you for Mother's Day
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: and you said, He signed it off from your unborn child,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Archie and him. You didn't pause. You meant to say
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: your unborn child, your dog Archie and Brandon. I thought
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: it was obvious. But anyway, no. So Archie is not
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: my baby name. But anyway, people who have been listening
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to the podcast for a long time know that Archie
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: is basically our child as well. He's a golden cocker spaniel.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He has around 37,000 followers on Instagram. He's known as
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: being a bit of a pupfluencer. And He actually has
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: a manager, a dog manager who gets any sort of
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: promotional work for him. They reached out to me. He's
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: on their website. I thought, why not? Anyway, so we
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: don't really get that many jobs from him. I think
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: this is the first one this year and it's for
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: a vet clinic or a vet company, specialist vets. And basically,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: My husband and I had to go down and film
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: a little video with him. And we were just laughing
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: because I was showing you back some of the vision.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: And it just cracked us up that these vets, they're
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: posing with Archie as if he's some sort of little
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: celebrity that's gone into the vet clinic. Yeah, we were
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: just laughing about how funny it is that this vet
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: would have got this call briefing him about how this
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: pup fluence is coming in and he has to film
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: with him. Like, so funny. I know I'm biased, but
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: he is just such a good little model for things.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: He poses... perfectly for photos he takes such good direction
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: whenever he's helped us out with any of our sponsors
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: stuff for the podcast like how well behaved is he
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: i'm not just oh he's i mean he's putting my
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: dog to shame i had an absolute nightmare yesterday because
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: my dog sunny decided to eat one of jack's little
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: smocks that he wears which a lovely local brand reached
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: out and gifted those to you kate don't worry i've
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: got two left but Yeah, Sunny stole one of them
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: when I wasn't looking. She took it up. We've got
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: like a three-tiered backyard. So she was on the top level.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I couldn't even see her. I went up there. I'm like,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? She'd eaten literally half of the smock.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: It's quite a thick material. Had to get my in-laws down.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: They were so kind and took Sunny down to the vet.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: There's a silver lining though, because it seems like Sunny
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: has this thing called picker, which is where dogs just
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: eat anything. So it's not just food. It's like other
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: objects that they shouldn't be eating. And the vet has
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: mentioned that maybe we can put her on Prozac. Which
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: will help. I Googled that. I couldn't actually see whether
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that was a real condition or not. PICA?
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It is.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: It's P-I-C-A. Oh, okay. I did spell it incorrectly. No,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: it is legitimate condition. If anyone has a dog that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: has PICA and has had any results with Prozac, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: would love to know. My Friday debrief is a little
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: bit different. I've got a recommendation. So Reese and I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: are currently off chocolate. We just finished off our Easter
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: egg haul, which took over a month. That's how much
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: chocolate there was. And God, I have been indulging and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: we're like, we need to start eating healthy because we cook, Jack,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: all these beautiful, healthy meals. And we're like, we don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: even eat this nice stuff. So I have a recipe
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: to share because I always have to have a sweet
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: treat before I go to bed. And I just Googled
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: sweet treat on TikTok. And I think these have been
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: doing the rounds for, I don't know, probably a couple
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of years now, but I wanted to endorse them. It's
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: literally a pitted date. You put peanut butter on it.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: We didn't have any, but you can put sprinkled peanuts.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And then you drizzle a bit of dark chocolate. I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: know I said it was off chocolate. But you weren't
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: having chocolate. It was like 70 or 80% dark chocolate.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I don't count that as chocolate. Have you got some
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: sort of pregnancy algorithm going? Because I've seen these as
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: something that pregnant women should eat a couple of weeks
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: before they're giving birth. Oh, that's to soften your cervix
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: or something? Yeah, because you're apparently supposed to have like
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: eight dates a day, which. Oh, well, no, this is
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: not that at all. I feel like it's the exact
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: same recipe that I've seen. Well, why would I be
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: trying to soften my cervix? I'm not saying you are.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'm saying that I feel like this recipe has popped
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: up for you probably because we keep sending you pregnancy stuff.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I Googled it. I Googled sweet treat. Okay. Anyway, highly recommend.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe you have to make some for me then next
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks. I've got a bat in the fridge
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: if you want some. All right. I mean, to be honest,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: dates sound bloody awful.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: They're nice.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Look, in winter– It's getting cold. I think you've got
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: to have a bit of chocolate. Think of sticky date pudding,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: how nice that is. Yeah, well. It hasn't got me
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: over the edge. Maybe we'll make you a sticky date
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: pudding in your last week of pregnancy. All right, I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather have that. Well, that is all we have time
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  Speaker 1: for today. Thank you so much for joining us for
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  Speaker 1: I also want to mention the subs episode we had
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  Speaker 1: out this week because I have to say it was
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  Speaker 1: quite a funny one. We spoke about Saffron Barker's gross
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  Speaker 1: toilet moment, which we have shared a bit about on
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  Speaker 1: our Instagram stories. She ended up sparking a bit of
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  Speaker 1: debate after eating chocolate rice crackers from the lid of
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  Speaker 1: her toilet. We're going to discuss our thoughts in the
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  Speaker 1: subs episode. We also spoke about Sarah Day's secret babysitter.
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  Speaker 1: And also we spoke about that viral photo that Harry
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