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Muslims at The World Cup (Qatar 2022 Predictions) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Salaam alaikum warahmatullah. Welcome back to another episode
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of after Maghrib. If you are, where I am in the
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UK, you're probably snowed under freezing but it's a little
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keeping well and safe wherever you are in the world and
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hopefully you guys are enjoying the World Cup as well, because
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of course, today, that's something we're going to be
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talking a lot. About, we are proudly.
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Representing supporting Morocco. Now that the UK that now, the
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England are out of the World Cup and we're backing our Muslim
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Brothers, to win the World Cup in sha Allah.
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But We go any further, it's time.
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Of course to introduce my co-host as always say that.
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I need other ways. Some I look insane.
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How are you? I'm all good.
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All good. How's your week?
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Been my week's been great. Hamdulillah managed to attend a
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few far to me and my jawless. Attend.
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Yes. And recite, and recycle Allah,
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Masha Allah. But I can say one thing that
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went against me was catching a cold, hundred grand.
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How have you been following the World Cup?
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I have until England basically got disqualified.
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Right. Yeah, but I've seen all the
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hype, that's not something now especially with the Morocco.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now of course it's been exciting
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and there's so much to talk about and I know we don't want
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to make this kind of just exclusively a football episode,
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but I think it's important to talk about the wider
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conversation of the World Cup in this.
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So many conversations to have about representation of Muslims
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and Arabs and particular in the world cup.
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And all of the news that's come out of it, for example, in terms
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of Palestine, in terms of talking about God, in terms of
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culture and religion. I know we touched on it at the
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beginning of the World Cup. It's been exciting, isn't it?
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It has a high especially for Muslims.
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Yeah, nothing on a global level because for once I think Muslims
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are being looked in a positive way rather than blowing things
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up, for example. Yeah.
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If I can throw that in no pun intended, dog, finance and we
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talked about this because obviously it's ironic before the
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World Cup started, we talked about true Geordie the YouTubers
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who talked about how he made a bad joke.
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Of Muslims and stereotyping Muslims and subhanallah, the way
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things have kind of turned for the better.
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So now in terms of the online community and obviously in real
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life as well, people are looking at Islam in a different light
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and people are supporting Morocco in the world cup and I
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think what they've done is symbolic because yes, okay
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they've achieved what they've achieved so far to reach the
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semi-finals on Merit, they've done really well.
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But also the outside of the game outside of the 90 minutes.
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They've represented Islam in an Incredible light laughter shout
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my boy's mother Ali Hakim is eh, I'm Robert Buffet.
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All these Moroccan players Marshall love.
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Call them your boys. Yeah, my boys, my boys.
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They know they're doing sujood. I think that that's something.
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I think we should be grateful for.
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Yeah. Seeing you know, people on the
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world stage, showing some worship to Allah subhana.
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Yeah. Thankfulness being grateful and
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it was beautiful. Also seeing their moms involved.
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Yes, you know, normally if they were if they were not Muslims,
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And say this will probably see them dancing with champagne.
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Yeah, but the fact they are Muslim, they wanted to search
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it. They said alhamdulillah and the
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mothers were there, would ya? And that's in others, a
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connection between a mother and Islam given their status in
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religion. Yeah, it's so nice as well
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because there's this relatability I think for guys
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like us and for others around the world because their mothers
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mashallah are majority of them are wearing hijab and Abaya and
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they look like ordinary mother's from our community.
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Because what Muslims are, which is what we are all.
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Yeah, and exactly. And, but it's nice like to see
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it on a mainstream stage and not just any mainstream stage.
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We're talking about the biggest platform of the world, the World
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Cup the most watched Tournament of the most watch sport in human
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history. Do you know what I mean?
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And and the fact that it's being held in a Muslim country and the
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semi-finalists of the World Cup are for the first time from an
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African and a Muslim country is you know, absolutely amazing.
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Absolutely amazing. Is it says unnie is nice that
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you mentioned a Muslim country? Yeah because one thing I like
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about cutter. Yeah.
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And this world cup was the fact where they quoted quranic ayahs
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other on the stadium, you know. Yes and Alleyways and it's so
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nice because even if your non-muslim, you can look up to
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these quotes and learn something from them.
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Yeah, yeah. So and it's a reminder to
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Muslims ourselves at the same time.
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And one thing I so very nice is that like I don't know if it was
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like, authorized by the Qatari government himself.
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Yeah, there was like, for example, we can Say preachers or
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Scholars all around the arena and stuff where people can ask
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questions about Islam. Hmm.
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And this is to be honest, this is the way it should be because
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when you know Islam and many people may see it as imposing or
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forcing religion or forcing your beliefs onto visitors to the
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country. But we know in Islam did the
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responsibility of being a host. When someone visits your home
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your house and Islam, you have to treat them with all the
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mahjongg a lot. All the hospitality is all the
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formalities and More. So when someone is visiting your
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country as a traveler, we know, of course, the rights of a
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traveler in Islam and result in local going and other places we
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see the rights of a traveler. But no, it's nice, Masha, Allah
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because there's so many, there's so many beautiful things I think
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would have come out of this house, or I'm, I saw a news
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piece about a Brazilian family, not mistaken who had reverted to
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Islam. And that's why a family yeah, in
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the washer. Yeah.
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And it was beautiful. They were standing with the
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sheriff and the sheriff was was doing an interview, and he was
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saying that, I introduced a slab to them at the family said, we
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knew this was for us. We came here in the way we were
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treated and the things we saw in the respect, that's very true.
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You know, the media somehow only showed, like, - sites to cover.
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Yeah. And I think that's in particular
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because it's a Muslim country. Yeah, well the beautiful that
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the fans knows who want to attend the World Cup so
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different story. Hmm.
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I mean just seeing clips from fans actually there on the
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ground. No, be it on their live streams
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over is they gave a completely different picture if I walk on
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Get the alcohol. Yeah, a lot of people made this
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whole fuss about alcohol. They didn't even know alcohol
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enjoyed that time. It's interesting.
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I've been watching a lot of logs and a lot of live streams of
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fans who are in Qatar right now and who are saying this is by
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far the best World Cup. I've attended or even seen not
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just in terms of quality of sport like the football is
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amazing. No one can tell but also in
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terms of the way they're being hosted, so locals are opening
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their doors up to visitors. You know, people have been fed
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on the street, Masha, Allah. And And to the point where a lot
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of people fans who are attending, for example, from the
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UK are saying that we want every World Cup to be held in Arab
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countries or Muslim countries because of not just the fact
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that they're there, their respect and hospitality is
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really good. But also the fact that the no
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alcohol Point has already more enjoyable.
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Yeah, there was a guy actually from the UK.
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Yeah, I saw this post on Instagram was being shared so he
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went with his wife and daughter. Yeah, for the World Cup.
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He said this is the first time I've been to a football match.
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Why didn't need to keep an eye on my daughter?
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For example, I didn't need to look behind on the shoulder to
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check out the new ones like messing with my wife.
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For example. So he felt peaceful and safe.
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Yeah. In a Muslim country because
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there's no alcohol. There's competition, there's
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respect. There's a job.
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And of course we know we have to be honest.
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Like, of course, every country will have its controversies, of
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course, every country will have things to work on and improve
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on. And we know of course the Arab
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world is as a lot of work to do. And there was one story that was
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very interesting by the way. Yeah, I'm guy.
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Forgot his phone in the hotel and the Ah, be okay.
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So he went to the stadium Watch the match came back as phone was
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still there. No way this one was still there.
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No way that goes to show. For example, how I think you can
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see Islam in a positive way. I'm not saying Muslims don't
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steal. I'm sure there is hair and their
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best because we sort of have this lower.
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We look up to You can feel safe in a country like in a sport
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generally over the last few decades, especially as the
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world's become more globalized and everything sport has become
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for many people, like a religion and that's something I want to
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talk about in a bit with you. Although below, not honestly,
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speaking, like it's become people travel the world to watch
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players, you know, let alone their teams, but all good travel
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across the world to watch, for example, Lionel Messi.
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Yeah, you know, I was listening to something earlier today,
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where a guy says, I've traveled the world to watch Lionel Messi
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and now Mankato, and this is the best experience.
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So I've had to watch him play now, when you, when you when we
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live in a world where sport is so crazy, and it's become so
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popular and everything alongside that people start to mix their
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societal Norms, drinking partying, swearing lad, culture,
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pop culture, all of that stuff with the sport.
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And now, for the first time, you've got an environment where
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that doesn't exist enjoying sport, you're enjoying support
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for the quality of the sport and and you're being hosted the way.
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Some has, you know, prepared. You did to host and so on.
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And sometimes I think like will love love the world cup to be in
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the UK. I'm truly loved as a fan and as
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a resident but at the same time, there is no chance that this
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country could ever host the World Cup.
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Like I was hosting the World Cup right now, you know, they've
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tailor-made this competition for, you know the whole country
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has been preparing for this since what like 12 13 years ago
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whenever it was announced. So the whole country's been
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preparing and imagine that the the huge boost is given to the
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local economy. To the the reputation of the
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country tourism for years to come, people will go back to
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other people saying, they love the city and darn like it's
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amazing. Martial, either that the sort of
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benefits that you can gain from it, you know, speaking, a bit
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about how I've mentioned earlier than media has only focused on
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the negatives. You know, something interesting.
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I read slide off track was regarding the World Cup.
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There's not enough room in hotel rooms for the amount of people
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visiting card that at the moment.
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Yeah. So I started as a country He
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also me. Yeah, container idea.
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They put in a lot of containers and also opening the arms up,
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not just that they've actually paid for hotel rooms and flies
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to neighboring countries. No.
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They slide them out and keep them there.
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When is their time to come? They fly by my problem.
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Yeah. Wow I wasn't - Leon it Global
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emissions. Yeah.
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Climate have to find something. You know of course of course I
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mean it's like in the grand scheme of things.
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Of course, the climate issues are some important, the big
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issue. Yeah but it's in The grand
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scheme of things. It's it's a miniscule impact.
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So you know, on the global climate and let's say the World
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Cup was in the US. Yes.
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Like the next one will be. Will they face the same, you
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know, with the media be focusing?
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What do you know what the next World Cup is in Canada, us and
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Mexico. Three countries are showing the
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next World Cup 2026, okay, okay. And spread across different
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cities in all three countries and a lot of people, I mean
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there's obviously not so much coverage about it now, but
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people talk about and now in preparation for the next one,
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People are talking about going to Vegas and casinos.
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People are talking about like I'm to, I was hearing a guy,
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make a crack, a joke about drug use in South America and Mexico
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and sold like. So there's a ready lacks some
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murmurs of things, which are not in line with the slam times the
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value, but obviously it would be an incredible experience.
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You know, I would love to go and show love for years from that
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can be there but it's you know, it's weird for the football in
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world. For the first time to have a
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World Cup in an Arab country or Muslim countries that have been
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done and it's never been done in the winter snow be done in a
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country like that. So it's a big deal but is it is
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I've got a question or comment. Yeah it might sound weird too
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many listeners. I'm not huge football fan.
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Okay? For me is like an object being
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kicked around on the grass. Yeah.
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That's how I see it. Yeah.
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Unless it's like an England game or a game which I'm heavily
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focused on. Yeah.
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That's apart from that, I don't feel any connection with
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football. You mentioned a bit earlier.
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Some people's a bit like religion was what's the whole
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fuss about for football and many parts of the world is tree?
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Like, religion in the UK football is a religion.
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I had family, visit the UK a few days ago and they noticed that
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football here is treated like a religion, okay?
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And for many people, it might be a lack of a higher purpose and
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ultimate purpose, such that they then identify themselves with an
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entity like a football club or with personalities.
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They can look up to like football players and it's not
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just football can be any sport. But at the end of the day
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football in its nature, as a very emotional sport, there's
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the intellectual side in the Tactical side.
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There's, you know, system that comes with the sport.
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It's very, it's a genius sport, the same time.
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There's emotion this heart, this sentiment.
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There's there's passion in football.
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Do you see what I mean? So, I think when people look at
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football as a whole, it brings them life, brings them Soul.
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So at a time like this, where you have the World Cup?
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Yeah, people will in ordinary circumstances.
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Like we said, go crazy. So, for example, in the UK when
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England lose a match, you know, this is previous well Garden
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about this world cup, but when England, you lose a match in the
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water in football, domestic abuse rates in the UK Ohio, I
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saw some Billboards will ya when England lose games.
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More women are being by their kind of have this common home.
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Yeah. There was a billboard saying
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he's coming home. So basically, I think what it
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meant is that he England lost the game.
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Yeah, it's left the pub. Up his on his truck, he's coming
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home. Yeah.
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God forbid, you know what happens next, but that's what I
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mean, some people take it really seriously and there's a fine
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line to be drawn and I this is a conversation.
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I wanted to had wanted to have like, we as Muslims.
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We understand that there is priorities for us here.
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So World Cup finals on, for example, and it's time for
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solar. Would you, do you know what I
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mean? It's a very tricky situation for
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a lot of us to be honest, you know, it's very hard for us to
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pause a match for 20 minutes and go and praying.
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Come back. And, you know what I mean?
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And I think for a lot of people, it's a test of our of our, like,
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our dedication to religion. Yeah.
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You know, like, do I spend more time listening to football staff
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podcasts, playing FIFA and all of that stuff or do I spend more
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time building my connection with the last ones?
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I'll, you know, I think is very valuable to the conversation,
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they bought that apartment. You know why?
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Because everyone can name the entire football team, hmm.
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Everyone can know who their wives are, who their kids are,
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what kind of mentioned are living in.
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They know everything about them but they can't name more than
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two persons. Yeah, they don't know more about
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the a debate on himself Frank sent.
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So I think it is a bit true where you say people actually
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take it to be solved like religion and that's a shame
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because I think we can't find balance and it.
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Yeah 100 percent. I mean you think about it like
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you said I had example can relate to anything I can be
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right. Can relate anything, you know,
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you could talk about music for example, people know the lyrics
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of a rap song before they know that the the verses of the
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Quran, you know, you can apply it to many things and I think
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it's important for us to think about the relationship we have
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with with with the Dunya. Yeah.
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And the relationship we have with the last time to either and
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whether we prioritize one over the other, so it's really easy
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for us. When we're watching football to
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get carried away. And I'll be honest, I think we
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should enjoy sport. I think we should enjoy
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football. I think we should make the most
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of it. It's time to bring people
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together, you could enjoy. It in a fun and Halal the way.
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You know it's not / tunity to celebrate diversity and
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opportunity to celebrate athleticism.
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All of these things which are highly highly encouraged in
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Islam. But at the same time, it's
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important for us to realize that it's not the be-all and end-all
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like football and the World Cup. And so on, it's not the reason
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that we, we do the things we do to, you know, what I mean.
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So, we can enjoy it but, you know, there's got to be a
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balance. I want to imagine this.
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Yeah, part of me. Friday packed.
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Yeah, Saturday England playing, they've been playing offense.
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You really you can tell people's priorities.
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But yeah. So that was, that was an
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observation. I made it happens happen.
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When was it? It's always the same.
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I'm, I remember a few years ago. I think it was If I'm not
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mistaken, it was the Champions such a big Champions League game
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and it was Muharram night, probably into weddings.
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Yeah, people are watching football our wedding.
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I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie if my wedding
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if my wedding day fellow World Cup final, I'm watching that
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game of my wife a lot straight. I'm just walking down the aisle
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with the phone in the hand. Watch the stream is got the
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done, but to be honest, love you.
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Think about football. Football is a big deal.
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If you're watching it your wedding, your foot was one
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thing. But what about mosques, okay?
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Because I want to have this conversation as well.
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There's a lot of sensors in our community which have been
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streaming the football matches recently.
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Yeah, so for example, we know, of course, the last few nights
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there's been as it the second original thought the meal, which
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we've been commemorating the yes.
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And of course at the same time England was playing over the
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weekend, for example. Now, for some people it's a very
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awkward position for some communities.
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They don't commemorate the second iteration to solve them
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in. So, for those communities, they
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They'll be streaming the games even in the side, the center.
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Hmm. Or even just not attending my
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jealous to watch the games. Like I said, hmm.
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I mean, if they're not commemorating makes sense.
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I know some people find some narrations weaker than others.
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Yeah. Understandable, this is nice as
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a community. Let's, let's imagine is not
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familiar. Yeah.
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It's nice. As a community, allowing
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everyone to get together to enjoy the game.
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I think is nice, is it disrespectful?
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Because I had an argument a couple of days ago where I guy
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said that this is a mosque. Firstly, I don't know if we can
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say that because if we Don't a lot of our centers are not
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actually mosques their mom biogas or they're saying he has
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or whatever. But someone saying that this is
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a place of worship, you shouldn't be showing the
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football games disrespectful. That's a tricky one.
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Hmm. And I don't think I I don't
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think I can touch on it, to be honest, really.
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I've got no knowledge on, you know, if one should do.
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So one shouldn't have no idea. Fair enough, I expect no idea.
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I respect that, I mean, at the end of the day, it's an
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important conversation to have. Because if your ultimate aim is
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to bring Believers together to, you know, for example, in many
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senses, you will have like social nights, you'll have
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poetry workshops or you have like, art workshops or whatever,
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you know what I mean? And Doing something recreational
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to bring people together. We start table.
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Tennis table, tennis sleepovers. Yeah, pretty much.
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It's a station sleepovers, but all of that stuff.
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Why is it any different? When you're watching a football
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game, you're bringing the youth together, you're bringing
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parents and children together. Like if you know, if I had a son
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who's 15 years old, I would rather take him to the mosque to
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watch games with his friends and our community, then to let him
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go out and watch it with his mate somewhere where I don't
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know. Yeah, no that's a valid point
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it's a place you can trust. Yeah.
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You know, leaving your swearing, no alcohol, none of that.
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It's a good environment that it's bringing the youth
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together. It shouldn't be something I
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think demonized. Okay, I got a question for you,
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okay, very shortly, Morocco's going to be playing.
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Yeah, let's go back to Morocco - yeah?
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Who's supporting France America, bro?
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Come on. It's not know why?
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I don't know why. All right, I have like five
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reasons. I'll just try and quickly
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summarize them. Firstly, France, be us some more
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support for fair enough. Secondly, I don't want to get
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the They won the lost, lost woke up 30, and probably, most
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importantly, I want more Awkward to win.
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Not, why is that? That's why I don't know why.
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Because The Underdogs, mmm, not because they played good
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football, but also because on top of that day, the first
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Muslim and an Arab country, and African country to reach the
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semi-finals of the World Cup. Yeah.
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Yeah, you know, and they've deserved to get to where they
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belong, the making history in sha, Allah, ya and Charles are
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they making sure they've really made history will continue to do
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it and they've been fighting like Warriors.
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Those players they've been playing really Well there's
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tactically, they're really good. They're fantastic team.
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Honestly speaking. I don't think they'll win.
20:02
I'm not gonna lie. I think they'll get battered by
20:04
from. You never know.
20:06
Allah is with the Masala but they they it's, you know, for
20:09
Portugal's going on. Yeah.
20:11
Yeah. Yeah Spain more could be
20:13
explained as well. Crazy shock this walk-ups being
20:16
full of shocks. Yes it has.
20:18
Although I'm not a die-hard football fan.
20:20
Yeah I do love sort of look at the news here and there.
20:23
Who are you spoiling our spawn England?
20:25
Okay, well no father, no one but In this game that's coming up.
20:28
Now, I'm small, Morocco inshallah, you know, the more
20:31
can coach, he made a statement. He said, he said, we, we are
20:40
representing Moroccans and Africans.
20:43
Please support us and help us make history.
20:46
And his statement was twisted to say.
20:49
We are only representing Arabs, Arabs, not even Arabs.
20:53
It was Moroccans and Africans. Do you know what I mean?
20:57
So people. People completely misconstrued,
20:59
what he was saying, to make it sound like we don't want
21:01
anything to do with you guys. We are only for our Moroccans
21:04
for out for our Nationals, if you know what I mean.
21:07
You know, I have no doubt that this was probably done on
21:09
purpose and they probably want to move, you know, Muslims out
21:12
the Limelight and making Focus just on Morocco as the country
21:15
itself and Africa is a continent itself, but I think if we look
21:19
realistically Morocco is more than just a countries actually I
21:22
think representing Islam on the global stage.
21:25
Why? Yeah we mentioned they don't
21:26
shoot. Mentioned, for example them, you
21:29
know, doing gestures thanking Allah subhanahu wa'ta'ala but
21:32
something they did which was very interesting, they give a
21:36
voice to the voiceless. Mmm Palestine.
21:39
Mmm, what was your thoughts on that?
21:41
There's been a lot of, there's been a lot of propel because
21:43
when they did that, the entire Muslim world was like, you guys,
21:48
we love you. Yeah.
21:49
There's been a lot of pro-palestinian coverage across
21:52
the world cup and a lot of for example, journalists from other
21:55
countries at the occupied. State of Palestine who have come
22:00
to the World Cup and who doing interviews and people would
22:04
refuse to speak to them. You have seen those, you know,
22:06
and it's not just that it's also, for example, English
22:10
support I've seen so many videos of English fans, who'll say,
22:13
free Palestine in interviews, or who, for example, who will come
22:17
to the world cup with one impression and and speak to
22:19
locals, and speak to Palestinians and learn a lot
22:21
about their, their plight. And it's interesting to know
22:24
that, you know, we talked about sport, not having to be a Jeep.
22:27
School thing will know having to be something, which causes
22:32
Strife between people, but sport can bring people together and it
22:35
can become a geopolitical thing for the better.
22:37
If it's used in that, you know, in that respect.
22:40
So for example, people can learn about different cultures, people
22:42
can learn about different religions they can learn about
22:45
the the trauma that people around the world are going
22:48
through and all it takes is that willingness to open your heart
22:53
and your mind up to visit another country to meet new
22:55
people to engage in your conversations.
22:57
And I have to give credit because there's been a so many
22:59
English fans. British English fans who have
23:02
gone over to clutter and not just English all around the
23:04
world and have learned about the, the new religions the
23:07
cultures, the plight of the Palestinian people as well.
23:11
And I think Morocco get into semi-finals weather or whether
23:14
not, they win tonight in Shallow, they do.
23:17
But the idea being is that their presence on this world stage at
23:22
this level that they've got to itself is a huge benefit, you
23:27
know, They've done a lot of good and I don't think they'll
23:30
realize, well, the, the do more good to I think the global
23:34
Muslim world. Yeah.
23:35
Because we saw we are now being seen in a positive light.
23:39
The fact that reached at this stage in the World Cup you know
23:42
has put Aslam or Muslims on the world map.
23:45
Yeah. Because I mentioned earlier at
23:47
the very beginning of this conversation where for the first
23:50
time when I'm blowing ourselves up.
23:52
Yes. And part of the fun and I think
23:54
if the media stop suppressing, how Beautiful Islam, as a
23:58
religion other than we will even be having this discussion right
24:02
now. Correct fact, we're discussing
24:04
this. There is something going on, we
24:06
Western media, whatever it is. I just want to give a shout out
24:09
to a friend of ours called hustling.
24:10
I live from New York who is meant to actually be on the
24:13
podcast because unfortunately things didn't work out and the
24:16
snowing in London and it didn't work out, but he's an actor and
24:18
he's a film producer and he's Masha, Allah.
24:20
He's done a lot of work. He's won in so many film
24:24
festivals around the world. He's very successful.
24:27
And a lot of what he focuses on is Muslim representation in
24:31
Hollywood and in media. Yeah.
24:33
So he acts in films and he produces films which focus on
24:38
taboos that Muslims have and so on and of course, when you look
24:42
at like Netflix and so on. Yeah.
24:44
Well how will Muslims represented most of the time
24:46
either? They're upset represented as
24:49
terrorists and all of that stuff or more recently, you know, the
24:54
shows like Miss Marvel for example, where they're
24:56
represented as As young rebellious girls, taking off
25:00
their head job, me and goodbye Boys in school reload.
25:03
It's one or the other. Like, there's no, you don't
25:05
have, like an ordinary character, you know?
25:07
I mean, like there's some shows, okay?
25:08
They'll have like an ordinary character whose presumably
25:12
Muslim by their name, you know? I mean, but it's a very rare
25:15
phenomenon to see that. It says, it says, and
25:18
unfortunately, I think sometimes it's our fault that we don't
25:22
shed light on it as much. Yeah, so it's important to have,
25:25
you know, platform such as the after market report.
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Us, which is why people should subscribe.
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If we're not given a voice, we create that voice.
25:41
Yeah. The world heard the Echoes of
25:43
who. Muslims are ya?
25:44
I knew we should have learned from Netflix that for example.
25:48
Okay. If this girl is wearing hijab I
25:50
should take so all throughout the series.
25:52
Yeah, I mean it's okay. She's got she's evil she's
25:55
confused or she feels oppressed or shit.
25:57
Was forced to wear it. And that's a false narrative as
26:00
happening. Yeah, yeah.
26:01
Yeah, that's just one example. I gave the example of long
26:03
ourselves up for example, and it's not just Muslims, by the
26:05
way, I think the Africans have it as well as we do.
26:08
Yeah. You always like the villains of
26:10
the always like, unfortunately sad.
26:12
Yeah, it's very sad. I think a lot of minorities
26:14
religious and ethnic minorities being misrepresented for years
26:18
in the media, you know, there's an incredible amount of like
26:24
best representation and slaughtering at the end of the
26:26
day, you know, it's It's unfair, it's not right.
26:30
You know, but the one thing that we have to say is that at the
26:32
end of the day there's there's an important thing for Muslims
26:35
to do and that is to take a step forward and try and involve
26:38
ourselves. So, you know, and I know we do
26:41
this, it's hard, but for example, if you're playing
26:43
football, you know, take it, seriously, you never know if.
26:46
If you reckon, you're good enough to play professional
26:48
football, keep at it and if you're a parent now, then you're
26:51
watching, encourage your kids to play sports, you never know what
26:54
Heights, your children could reach occlude the Carotid shop
26:56
including God. You're right.
26:59
And if your children are interested in drama and acting
27:02
in, this is my personal opinion, of course, I think one should
27:04
pursue it. I would, you know, I would love
27:06
seeing. Yeah, she are acting.
27:09
Yeah, I think that's something that we really need to get.
27:12
Yeah, I have a friend. Really good friend of mine.
27:17
He's a great friend of mine. He's, he's an actor like, as in.
27:20
He's got his job and he's doing his own thing.
27:23
He works in like advertising, as on, but on the side.
27:27
Is to make some spare change. He does extras for film.
27:31
So he's been in like me, Leonardo DiCaprio films, been a
27:33
big films films that you've definitely watched and he's poor
27:37
guy when he was young, I was always getting cost for roles as
27:41
terrorists. So he would, he would be cost
27:44
and its really sad. Because, obviously now he's
27:46
grown and this, what I'm talking about 20-30 years ago, so
27:49
surprised now he's grown up and he's now developed a portfolio,
27:52
he's got enough credit to demand a different role or whatever,
27:56
but he told me I am. A very specifically said it's
27:59
impossible to get into that industry as a Pakistani or an
28:01
Arab and a young Muslim with a beard and someone unless you're
28:05
playing a specific role you know role that someone wants you to
28:08
play. You can't apply.
28:09
You can't, you can't put yourself forward for a
28:11
mainstream role. If you're not White America and
28:14
a white British, you know, in some cases.
28:15
Yeah. Do you know what I mean?
28:16
So, it's tough. You know, by the end of the day,
28:19
I think there is an onus on us. There's responsibility on us to
28:21
take things more, seriously, like that, and it's not just
28:24
acting in football talking about teaching, talking about It's
28:28
talking about, you know, a degree in law, whatever it is,
28:32
in different fields, continue to Excel and to be in Charlotte
28:35
than at the top of everything. Do you remember when Trump was
28:38
in power? Yeah, and you bring this Muslim
28:40
but yeah, there was one thing where he mentioned when he said
28:43
I think Islam hates us the rumble.
28:46
Yes. Argument that as a Muslim our
28:49
shocked. Yeah.
28:51
President of although I can say it doesn't surprise me for
28:55
political gain but the fact the president of the I said States,
28:57
actually said, Islam hates us. He fed into that narrative.
29:02
Yeah of course of course yeah yeah I need somehow we need to
29:06
find a way where I can say, you know, if you are not Muslim
29:09
listening to this podcast, for example, Make sure, you know
29:13
where you're getting your news from where, what sort of world
29:16
do we live in? Where the leader of the who
29:18
wrote three world in the president, the us could say,
29:20
Islam hates us or where the prime minister of the UK.
29:23
At the time can say that women look like letter boxes and bank,
29:26
robbers can work. What sort of world is that?
29:30
Yeah, we're meant to be a civilized, Western Libya, post
29:34
liberalist world that we live in.
29:36
How can one say we live in a world of freedom of speech, and
29:39
freedom of expression and belief.
29:41
And at the same time, we here, Like that, you know, there is a
29:44
responsibility on us to hold such people to account holds
29:48
such systems to account. And as Muslims to use our
29:51
voices, we believe in empowerment.
29:53
What's the point of following? The example, of say, the zainab
29:56
Salam, alaika Lejos de department, has a hot ass llama
29:58
here in these nights. Of course, we commemorate her.
30:01
If we don't know how to follow their example, in standing up to
30:04
oppression, and we say that phrase standing up to
30:06
oppression. It sounds very cliche, but in
30:08
practice, it's effective. Yeah, you know, you speak.
30:12
Scout when you hear someone talk smack about you, mmm, you know
30:15
you have to speak up, you have to say something, whether it's
30:18
signing a petition on the very lowest level which is like Takes
30:21
a Minute of our time or whether it's going out there.
30:24
And speaking to people speaking to MPS, educating people in
30:27
schools, being part of focus groups and action groups.
30:30
Like, these are things that we can get involved in.
30:33
But, you know, the end of the day, Muslims will never ever be
30:36
represented fairly and equally unless two things happen.
30:41
One is the mainstream establishment gives us the
30:44
respect we deserve and to as Muslims Force our way into it,
30:48
you know, there was a report I read, yes, mentioned mainstream
30:51
More than 70% of news articles when it comes to Islam and
30:55
Muslims is negative. - how maybe don't just ask herself.
31:00
I'll give you one example. If they want to let's say, they
31:04
say there's a criminal. Yeah, his name is Ahmed, for
31:07
example. They show him in the most
31:10
craftiest way. Why did you pick that name?
31:12
Huh what is the most common name hamburger the way they show or
31:20
portray this criminal? For example is the most yeah,
31:24
you're right. Accosting way that you'd want to
31:26
hate Islam yourself but let's say someone who's not a Muslim
31:29
and his name is John well hurry or bury whoever they are they'll
31:33
show him a they'll show a nice smiling picture with his wife
31:36
and his kids for the same crime but it's true.
31:39
It's true. Yeah, so you can we hear about
31:41
lights and there's an agenda. You can clearly see it.
31:42
We hear about all the time and to be fair again, another
31:45
shout-out to the adversity, part of our community has done
31:49
incredible work scrutinizing and holding the media to account
31:52
over the last few years, who has consistently held mainstream
31:56
media to account for their misrepresentation of Muslims
31:59
versus non Muslims. So, specifically, for example,
32:01
when you talk about the representation of of criminals,
32:04
like you say and for Muslims do use the word like terrorists.
32:07
Yes. All We'll talk about politics
32:09
and political gain, when it's white English, man or a white
32:13
America man. They'll use the words mental
32:15
health, mental health Lone Wolf, you know, deranged psychopath
32:20
things like that. Lone Wolf.
32:22
Like these kind of weddings and terminologies subconsciously
32:25
have an effect and and shape the way Generations.
32:30
Think for years to come you know and unfortunately again I'm
32:34
going to go back to the thing that true Georgie said if you
32:36
haven't had the podcast tuned in with probably two or three
32:38
points. Gasps ago, we talked about this
32:40
guy who said that Muslims, blow themselves up and he did a full
32:44
apology and did a podcast follow-up and so on.
32:47
But generally speaking, I think a guy like that who's actually
32:51
probably not a bad guy, but has been conditioned to think in a
32:54
way like that, is because of the result of the society lives in.
32:57
Even us as Muslims. Yeah, I know many people who
33:01
actually looked look at Muslim countries and feel as if we're
33:04
back with yeah. Or they feel as if we're not
33:06
progressing or, you know, we are Medieval times.
33:10
And that's because what they see on TV?
33:11
Yeah, well, they read the newspaper.
33:13
What they watch the movies, for example.
33:14
Yeah. But when they go to that
33:15
country, the like Madonna, that can't be it.
33:18
Yeah, that's exactly what you said.
33:20
Just now is exactly why the Qatar World Cup is a big deal
33:22
because people have gone there. And they've had a perception
33:24
about Islamic countries in Arab countries and they've come,
33:27
either they've come back after England's, lost all, they're
33:29
still there, they're having a ball of a time.
33:31
Yeah. So inshallah we praying.
33:33
Do, you know, there's actually had to wait just mention I
33:36
should have. I'm not saying the UAE is the
33:38
Most best representative of Islam and its values for
33:42
example. But there was one family that I
33:45
know, no, no, no Arab not Muslim, they went to the UAE,
33:49
okay? And they managed to interact
33:51
speak, you know, see some of the tradition and the culture and
33:55
the values Islam has, for example, and they were shocked,
33:58
what law they were absolutely shocked and then they came back.
34:01
Do like, you guys are like human beings that they would be very,
34:04
very general genuine, sorry really.
34:07
And they live a few doors, down the road.
34:09
Wow. Yeah yeah it does so much good
34:11
that can come out of interfaith and multiculturalism and it's
34:15
in. It's really nice when you have
34:16
conversations like my neighbors are Hindus.
34:17
Yeah, and we're really close to them.
34:19
Now we learn a lot and like handle our they've learned a lot
34:24
about asking the way we practice and so on.
34:26
So shallow, there's more that we can do as a community.
34:28
I think we need to be more open to that it shall.
34:30
We need to encourage people to learn more about us and we
34:33
should also do the same learn more about others.
34:35
Hmm. You know, we mentioned all the
34:36
time of the pas de las plantas, says that, You know, we've
34:39
created you into tribes in different people so you can get
34:41
to know one another. So hopefully we can represent
34:44
ourselves better. We can be represented better.
34:46
We can make effort to learn in sha.
34:48
Allah. I just got a final question.
34:49
Yeah. Do you think Muslims have
34:52
integrated enough as a huge questions?
34:54
They may be another podcast. Yeah, you mean in the UK or from
34:59
your perspective? Like being here London, bro?
35:01
That's a huge question, man. I mean, the Muslim Community in
35:04
the UK is so sporadic on one end.
35:08
The Just why I say that because I've always heard, you know,
35:12
Muslims need to integrate more. But yeah, no, it's true.
35:16
It's true to a degree, but maybe others maybe.
35:18
They're not getting in the right blue Berets.
35:19
I have no idea. Yeah, that's an example.
35:21
Yes, we are paying you, no taxes.
35:24
Whatever it is, like, we are there wherever you want us to
35:26
be? Yeah, of course, of course it
35:28
were, doctors were dentist where Engineers were shuttling.
35:31
What is? Yeah, that in my opinion, my
35:33
humble opinion, they wanted to leave Islam.
35:34
I think that's what they mean by integrate more.
35:37
The thing is you've got to end. As of the scale and the Muslim
35:40
Community in the West. In the UK, the lowest performing
35:44
demographic of our UK residents, statistics say are 35 to 40 year
35:52
old Bangladeshi. Women living in East London, in
35:54
terms of salary, in terms of literacy rates, in terms of
35:57
health care in terms of benefits.
35:58
So on and so forth. Mmm, but at the same time, on
36:01
the other end of the spectrum, some of the highest performing
36:04
school students are Muslims, the most philanthropic Make people
36:09
in the UK are Muslims, eight out of ten Muslim families in the
36:13
UK, give charity on an annual basis, which I personally think
36:15
is 10/10 the fact sweet little Charity Muslims and the UK are
36:20
more charitable. Yes.
36:22
Then everyone the other thing. Yeah so eight out of ten must
36:24
inform now. We are minority minority.
36:27
Eight out of ten. Most infamous give charity once
36:29
a year, which I think is 10/10. But anyway in the UK three out
36:32
of ten average, family members or whatever Christian or
36:36
whatever, give charity in the UK, and one out of 10.
36:38
An atheist families in the UK, give charity, this is
36:41
paraphrasing, I might be wrong. Statistically by remember very
36:44
clearly the BBC article four years ago and its really
36:47
interesting to note this because have we integrated correctly.
36:50
Depends what you mean by integration?
36:51
You know what I mean? I think we have.
36:53
I'm not sure why I asked you that question.
36:55
Yeah, buses were talking about, you know, being misrepresented
36:58
in a way. Yeah.
36:59
I just feel like when people say, have you integrate why I
37:02
wasn't integrating? Yeah, I think they maybe we
37:04
should, you know, lose our faith isn't what they mean potential
37:08
and that's the only way. And access a lot of values that
37:10
Islam gives which the UK and the West can benefit from.
37:12
And I'm sure there's a lot of values in the west which Muslims
37:16
can benefit from. Of course, specifically, Muslims
37:18
are not slab because Islam, we believe is perfect but Muslims
37:20
can learn a lot from the Western culture.
37:22
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