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Tigers Walk-Off Sweep White Sox · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Terror Tator Network A for Tiger's podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: Karen Snickley with me as always as a man who's
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Speaker 1: got grit. He does the grettest tea. He's Conny Stavin
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Speaker 1: Egg and how you doing?
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Speaker 2: Oh, I grit my teeth, bad man. And the Dennis
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Speaker 2: tells me, I gotta get like a mouthguard. But whatever,
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Speaker 2: I don't. I haven't been to the dentist in a while.
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Speaker 2: That's a whole other conversation. Uh, get the gritty Tigs
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Speaker 2: with a series sweep against the Chicago White Sox walkoff
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Speaker 2: fashion on Sunday, Spencer Torklessen of all people with the
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Speaker 2: walkoff hit pretty good vibes, just like the Dodgers were
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Speaker 2: really good. The White Sox are really bad. So those
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Speaker 2: are like two series that somewhat appropriately have canceled each other.
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Speaker 1: Out, canceled each other out. But also like if you're
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Speaker 1: looking at that those three games and the ones that
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Speaker 1: were in the balance, and one of the things that
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Speaker 1: I had talked about was like, Eh, you know, you're thinking,
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Speaker 1: if you want to just go to the end of
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Speaker 1: the season, how tight races are gonna be like you
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Speaker 1: kind of hope those balls bounce your way. This was
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Speaker 1: a game that the ball bounced your way. And I
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Speaker 1: don't want to take anything away from working the walks
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Speaker 1: there in the ninth and and Torque hits. That's not
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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do here. But you know, the
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Speaker 1: odds are the odds, Cody like that the odds were
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Speaker 1: there's like nine percent chance of winning the game going
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Speaker 1: into the ninth anny. If you're a fan of win probability,
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Speaker 1: which I'm a fan of looking at it. I'm not
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Speaker 1: saying I'm a fan of it, but I do like
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Speaker 1: looking at it because it's kind of fun. Even it
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Speaker 1: was still only fifty percent chance when Torque was at
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Speaker 1: the plate, if memory serves. But like as with anything
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Speaker 1: early in the season, what we're doing is we're watching,
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Speaker 1: we're assessing, and we're trying to figure out if they
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Speaker 1: have meaning. And on the surface, sweeping the white Sox
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Speaker 1: doesn't have meaning. But like you have Carpenter go off
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Speaker 1: over the weekend and you and you have Torque, you
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Speaker 1: know have like that was a ninety six mile an
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Speaker 1: hour fastball, low low, and yeah it was middle, but
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Speaker 1: was middle in that that he sent down the line.
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Speaker 2: So wasn't hitting anything ninety six last year, he was
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Speaker 2: founding those pitches off were whipping because he was late and.
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Speaker 1: That was his only head of the game. So this
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Speaker 1: is the guy who was zero for four, came up
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Speaker 1: in a big spot and delivered, and and so like
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Speaker 1: you know, the person side of it, you feel great
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Speaker 1: for torqu We'll talk about him more later in the episode.
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Speaker 1: But it's like these kinds of things, you're looking for
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Speaker 1: things that are they sustainable. You're looking for sustainability, and
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Speaker 1: and that's a game that like all the elements are sustainability.
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Speaker 1: Like the preaching of dominating the strike zone, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: how about a couple of walks there to scratch in
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Speaker 1: or run seems like dominating the strike zone grit Sweeney
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Speaker 1: going down the line that that that's a great element
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Speaker 1: and and honestly, we can do this. We can do
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Speaker 1: this right now, Cody, because I was I was prepared.
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Speaker 1: I was prepared to be a little critical of Javier
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Speaker 1: Bias in the sense that, like you know, like it
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Speaker 1: just when I say looking for things, I just wasn't
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Speaker 1: seeing those things right. And I had like my notes
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Speaker 1: and stuff that I'm preparing for this podcast. And then
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Speaker 1: Hivier goes out and I no, no, not, Javier Haavey
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Speaker 1: goes out and has himself a three hip ball game,
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Speaker 1: makes a makes a fine tag like a classic Hobby
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Speaker 1: tag on a on a stolen base attempt, and and
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Speaker 1: has himself even played some center field. Nothing happened, but
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Speaker 1: he played center field, like has himself like a ball game.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna even like this is not gonna
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Speaker 1: be a critical moment for Hoavier Bias. Chances are there
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Speaker 1: will be time for that, but this was a day
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Speaker 1: that like the Tigers like flat out do not win
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Speaker 1: this game without Hoavier Bias. So like I think it's
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Speaker 1: I think I think him having a productive day is
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Speaker 1: worth just saying, you know what, hobby for a day,
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Speaker 1: as we say.
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Speaker 2: I hope someone told Hovey like this is the model
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Speaker 2: for you to be productive, for you to be contributing
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Speaker 2: to this team. I know no one wants to hear
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Speaker 2: nice things about Hobby buyas I'm not taking today as
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Speaker 2: some referendum that like he's back as an important member
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Speaker 2: of the Tigers. But if this relationship is at all
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Speaker 2: going to be sustainable, if his spot on the team
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Speaker 2: is at all going to be workable. He has to
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Speaker 2: do things like this. We're already seeing he's not a
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Speaker 2: true everyday player anymore. He has not his team's every
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Speaker 2: day shortstop. He actually seems to have handled that okay.
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Speaker 2: And then he comes out on a day like today,
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Speaker 2: like you just said, three hits, a stellar play in
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Speaker 2: the field got the Tigers an extra ninety feet on
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Speaker 2: the bases tagging up on a flyball to left. Like,
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Speaker 2: Hobby has these good instincts and although he's prone to
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Speaker 2: some boneheaded mistakes, he does a lot of little things right.
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Speaker 2: He has a supreme feel for the game. There's some
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Speaker 2: players on this team who don't have a great feel
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Speaker 2: for the game. Hobby Bias has a feel for the game.
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Speaker 2: Then he's playing center field. If he can be versatile
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Speaker 2: and if he can do little things, and maybe if
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Speaker 2: you don't have to station him in with a six
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Speaker 2: by his name every single day, maybe this provides some
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Speaker 2: kind of roadmap for like how you can keep carrying
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Speaker 2: Hobby on the roster, if that makes any sense. Like, again,
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say this is some proclamation, but
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Speaker 2: today was a good day for Hobby and I hope
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Speaker 2: we see a little bit more of.
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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, because like those over the course, like it
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Speaker 1: feels like we're like kind of talking ourselves into like
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Speaker 1: a bad situation. It is a bad situation, Like we're
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Speaker 1: not gonna like avoid like acknowledging that like per per dollar,
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Speaker 1: you're not getting a whole lot of production. All right,
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Speaker 1: that's so we all we all understand that. But as
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Speaker 1: this team is construct it as like the reality of
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Speaker 1: the situation exists that he is going to be on
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Speaker 1: this team. You need him to have games like today
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Speaker 1: because one of the things that happened this week, I
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Speaker 1: can't remember the game, but you know, listening to Dan
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Speaker 1: and Bobby talk on the radio and they're like, you know,
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Speaker 1: if he's gonna be in the line up, like specifically
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Speaker 1: against like lefties, like he just can't miss hanging breaking balls, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, like he just can't miss middle fastballs, Like
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Speaker 1: you like, you're gonna be able to quote unquote live
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Speaker 1: with Hobby if he's gonna take advantage of those mistakes
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Speaker 1: and and and he wasn't. But you look at the
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Speaker 1: numbers overall now for him, and it's like okay, like
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Speaker 1: without again making any sort of proclamation, like he is
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Speaker 1: technically patting three three three right now, so.
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Speaker 2: The Ducks see him drive the ball a little bit
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Speaker 2: here and sure seem really drive the ball authority. I
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Speaker 2: don't know that that would that that's coming back.
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Speaker 1: Well and again, like you, like you, maybe he's just
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Speaker 1: an old time ballplayer in every sense of the word.
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Speaker 1: Is that he reaches this age plateau and it and
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Speaker 1: it and it just kind of craters a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But today's a day that, like you, you would like
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Speaker 1: to have I don't know, over the course of the
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Speaker 1: season fifteen twenty, like you've kind of you kind of
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Speaker 1: feel good about the realistic chances of the team over
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Speaker 1: the like you know, making the postseason winning division. If
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Speaker 1: you get what this was King was.
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Speaker 2: It was almost old school Hobby, Like there wasn't the
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Speaker 2: Homers or anything crazy like like we maybe used to see.
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Speaker 2: But I remember when they signed Hobby talking to someone
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Speaker 2: in the industry and they were like, you know, he's
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Speaker 2: incredibly frustrating, but there's gonna be one game a week
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Speaker 2: he wins. You single handedly look full stretch say this
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Speaker 2: was single handedly that Hobby byas was a major player
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Speaker 2: in today's win.
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Speaker 1: For sure, and we're gonna talk about his counterpart at
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Speaker 1: shortstop here shortly right after this break.
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Speaker 1: So, as I began this episode talking about looking for things,
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Speaker 1: they're sustainable trends and and and and like does my
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Speaker 1: do my eyes kind of match up with stats here
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Speaker 1: like this one? I don't know if it's sustainable. And
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Speaker 1: it did take me a little bit by surprise initially,
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Speaker 1: but then you think about it, you're like, okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: that makes sense. I went and looked at this is
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Speaker 1: entering today, entering Sunday. I went and looked at the
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Speaker 1: team's uh war leaders. Obviously it's quite early for war,
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Speaker 1: but I just I just wanted to look at it,
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Speaker 1: all right, the stats there, I want to look at it.
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Speaker 1: And number one on this team in war is Riley Green.
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Speaker 1: Yeah kind of checks that check. Number two on this
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Speaker 1: team is one Tray Sweeney.
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Speaker 2: T would not have guessed it.
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Speaker 1: So the whole Tray Sweeney thing, like we didn't really
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Speaker 1: know how to grasp it like I would say this
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Speaker 1: entire calendar year, Cody, because we were like, well, you know,
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Speaker 1: like it was a fun moment, but it's not like
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Speaker 1: he did anything at the plate that you were gonna like,
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Speaker 1: you know, right home, right home, about and does the
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Speaker 1: best construction when you're going over these various moves that
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Speaker 1: the tires can make, is the best construction of this team,
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Speaker 1: Like this is Sweeney. And then even in the in
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Speaker 1: spring training, like we're really sure, you know, sure enough
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Speaker 1: he makes the team. Obviously he is your shortstop. And uh,
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Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you that, like he's coming out
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Speaker 1: and popping. He's popping a little bit now that I
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Speaker 1: kind of like go back and think like he's played
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Speaker 1: some tremendous defense. He's had some you know, he's had
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Speaker 1: a you know what it was it three or four
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Speaker 1: extra base hits, and you know, including a triple, almost
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Speaker 1: another triple, had a home run. He is quite valuable
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Speaker 1: to the Tigers right now. Just I'm just gonna list
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Speaker 1: off again, it's all very early. We all understand. I'm
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Speaker 1: just gonna list off some some stuff from his Baseball
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Speaker 1: Savant page, fielding run value ninety five percentile range, ninety
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Speaker 1: seven percentile. All right, well, okay, we get it. He
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Speaker 1: can feel a little bit at the plate. Bat speed
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Speaker 1: seventy five percentile, square percentage fifty five percentile. I know
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Speaker 1: fifty five is not great, but he's as like you
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Speaker 1: look at some other guys that you think would be
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Speaker 1: better than that, they're not. Like he's essentially middle of
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Speaker 1: the road and a lot of these offensive category with
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Speaker 1: stellar defense you can kind of win with the shortstop
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Speaker 1: is gonna be middle of the road and a lot
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Speaker 1: of offensive categories with stellar defense, you know. And that's
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Speaker 1: ought to say anything of his sprisbeed which is in
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Speaker 1: the eighty five percent tile. We saw that in the
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Speaker 1: ninth any today. So I just figure, I like, we
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Speaker 1: don't talk a lot Tray Sweeney. I think it's because
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Speaker 1: we don't know really how to talk about Tray Sweeney.
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Speaker 1: But I'm here to tell you he deserves to be
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Speaker 1: talked about. So here we are talking about Trey Sweeney.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's second on the team in the war because
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Speaker 2: he's playing plus defense at shortstop with an eight hundred OPS.
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Speaker 2: So that checks out, even though you kind of have
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Speaker 2: to look at those numbers to appreciate it. Again, incredibly
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Speaker 2: early in the season. There's a part of me that's
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Speaker 2: still worried about Tray Sweeney. We saw someme at bats
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Speaker 2: where he has looked a little bit overmatched, but I've
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Speaker 2: also been impressed. He's gone to the plate with a
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Speaker 2: pretty good plan, as have a lot of these guys,
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Speaker 2: and that might be worth talking about more later. He's
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Speaker 2: held his own against lefty. He's oddly enough, he's actually
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Speaker 2: hit left He's better than he has right eyes in
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Speaker 2: his time in the major leagues, and that wasn't necessarily
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Speaker 2: his minor league track record. Been really impressed with how
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Speaker 2: he's standing in against some left handed pitching. You know,
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Speaker 2: there's some swing and miss, but we've been reminded that
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Speaker 2: there's some pop in his bat. That's one thing that
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Speaker 2: Tigers liked when they acquired and they thought he could
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Speaker 2: hit for a little bit of power. You don't have
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Speaker 2: to hit for a lot of power at shortstop. If
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Speaker 2: you have a little bit of power, that can be
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Speaker 2: an advantage. And then in the field man he's he's
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Speaker 2: pretty clean and I kind of have always thought that
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Speaker 2: was still curious, like, all right, you know, he played
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Speaker 2: well in a smaller sample last year. He can we
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Speaker 2: call him a plus defensive shortstop and we need to
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Speaker 2: see more still before we can be confident in that label.
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Speaker 2: But he's playing very good defense right now at the
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Speaker 2: beginning of the season. So I mean, yeah, nine games in,
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Speaker 2: that's my assessment of Tray Sweeney. He's having a nice
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Speaker 2: start the year.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, again, it's all well, we all understand the
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Speaker 1: sample size and the cave eyt of it, but like
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Speaker 1: like we can only do with what's in front of us.
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Speaker 1: And last season he was worth point seven war all
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Speaker 1: right that for the Tigers. Right now he's at point five.
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Speaker 1: That's gonna change in one direction or another, but probably
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Speaker 1: both throughout the season. That's okay. But like he's he's
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Speaker 1: putting together. He's put together a really nice start to
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Speaker 1: the year. And and like I said, I just think
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Speaker 1: it's worth mentioning. And you know, sometimes as I kind
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Speaker 1: of as I try to reflect on some bias isn't
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Speaker 1: the isn't the right word, but just sort of like
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Speaker 1: check my gut a little bit sometimes and it's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, he was a first round pick, you know,
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Speaker 1: like I have to remind myself of that he was
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Speaker 1: a first round pick. Like it's not like Sweeney as
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Speaker 1: a prospect came out of nowhere. He was the first
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Speaker 1: round pick in twenty twenty one, so like it not
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Speaker 1: nothing all right?
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Speaker 2: So I think, are you worried about India bunyas at all?
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Speaker 1: I am worried Andy Banya is that I wasn't prepared
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Speaker 1: to talk about that today, but I can assure you
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Speaker 1: that the uh the brain biscuits are turning regarding the
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Speaker 1: Andy A. Banya's experience. And I did it, and I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you why I didn't want to talk about it today.
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk about it today because he
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Speaker 1: had such a great day in the field on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: So uh so that's that's that. That's my inside baseball
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Speaker 1: right there. I was like, ah, maybe not the right time,
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Speaker 1: but can I am I going through?
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Speaker 2: I think it's worth being on the front end of
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Speaker 2: a little bit because he struggled for the duration of
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Speaker 2: the second half last year. And we all know how
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Speaker 2: you know, he's here to hit left handed pitching. He's
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Speaker 2: over for ten against lefties. He doesn't necessarily looked too good.
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Speaker 2: He has looked good at third base, which second base
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Speaker 2: customarily was his better position. I've been impressed with him
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Speaker 2: at third dating back to spring. But it's not inning leftiest.
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Speaker 2: He's playing its right, and we know that's not a
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Speaker 2: good matchup. I was glad, you know, he took a
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Speaker 2: huge walk in the night I ain't. That allowed the
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Speaker 2: set up tork and allowed the Tigers to win that game.
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Speaker 2: Kind of the problem that probably led to his demise
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Speaker 2: in the second half last year was he got real jumpy,
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Speaker 2: he got real aggressive. He wasn't seeing many pitches, so
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Speaker 2: even stay calm, even if he wasn't really facing a
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Speaker 2: premium strike thrower, was encouraging. But we got to see
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Speaker 2: some Andy hits against lefties soon where things could get
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Speaker 2: kind of awkward.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you with one hundred percent certainty that
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Speaker 1: the scenarios, all of them are on my radar and
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Speaker 1: on my brain. So I'm glad that you brought it
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Speaker 1: up because it makes me feel like I'm not crazy.
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Speaker 1: But yes, the Andy of Banya is part of it.
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Speaker 1: I am watching closely, I'll say that. And we haven't
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Speaker 1: learned that much about this team code, but we've learned
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Speaker 1: some things, and we will get to those things that
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Speaker 1: All right, so, as we talked about, it's only nine games, right,
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Speaker 1: but the Tigers are division leading Tigers right now, and
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Speaker 1: so we gotta we gotta assess why. We gotta figure
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Speaker 1: out what we learned because we spent all spring training
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Speaker 1: theorizing about this and speculating about that, and knowing that
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Speaker 1: there was only gonna be one way to tell if
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Speaker 1: we were right, wrong or different, and that was going
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Speaker 1: to be regular season. Now that we have had a
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Speaker 1: week plus of games, now let's see, let's just a
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Speaker 1: little little benchmark, Cody especially, you know, with the Yankees
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Speaker 1: coming to town. Let's assess what we learned. And I
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Speaker 1: think we got to start with the hero of Sunday
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Speaker 1: and that's Spencer Toorkalson. One of the most overwrought things.
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Speaker 1: And this is not a baseball exclusive thing, but overwrought
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Speaker 1: things in an off season is something about working hard
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Speaker 1: and adjustments and you know, whatever that might be. And
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Speaker 1: that was the selling point for Torque this offseason. It
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Speaker 1: started with the Scott Harris quote after the Torre is
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Speaker 1: signing where it's like, you know, I talked to Torque.
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Speaker 1: He's working, and he wanted to tell me how hard
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Speaker 1: he's working. It's like, okay, cool, he works hard.
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Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm here to tell you. It turns out it
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Speaker 1: was awesome. It turns out that the swing change and
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Speaker 1: adjustment is real. He's got a one point five to
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Speaker 1: seven ops right now, three three twenty four excuse me
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Speaker 1: batting average, he's got the couple home runs, he's he
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Speaker 1: is the middle of your lineup, Cody, especially with Torkolsen
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Speaker 1: this early in the year, is some a bat that
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Speaker 1: you are relying on and has already played hero one
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Speaker 1: time this season. So I like, what do we learn?
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Speaker 1: We learned that it like this Torque thing as of
18:47
Speaker 1: now April sixth is real, Like the adjustment is real,
18:51
Speaker 1: and there's nothing that we can say right now that
18:54
Speaker 1: says otherwise. Yeah.
18:56
Speaker 2: All we can really go on is what we're seeing.
18:59
Speaker 2: And I guess thirteen fourteen hundred other data points that
19:02
Speaker 2: then that's what still has me scared. But what we
19:05
Speaker 2: are seeing right now, I think Dan and Bobby said
19:07
Speaker 2: this on the radio, like can he keep doing this? Well?
19:10
Speaker 2: If he keeps swinging and making swing decisions like he
19:16
Speaker 2: is now. Yes, he can keep doing this that. You know.
19:19
Speaker 2: Someone said, like I need to issue a mia kulpa
19:22
Speaker 2: if I'm going to get on the Spencer Tourgelsen bandwagon.
19:24
Speaker 2: Maybe that's fair. I know I've been critical at Tork
19:26
Speaker 2: at times. I've also talked about how hard it's been
19:29
Speaker 2: with Tork because he's a good guy and the typic
19:31
Speaker 2: player you want to root for, and it's easy to
19:34
Speaker 2: ride that roller coaster and we're still on that ride. Baby.
19:37
Speaker 2: I said, I didn't think Spencer Tourkelesen had a chance
19:39
Speaker 2: to make the roster unless he made serious adjustments. He
19:44
Speaker 2: there were injuries and he had the be ableity to
19:47
Speaker 2: play a position other than first base. In DH Well,
19:50
Speaker 2: Spencer Turklesen has made other adjustments. There were injuries that
19:54
Speaker 2: helped him guarantee a spot on the roster, and although
19:57
Speaker 2: we have not yet seen him play in the outfield,
19:59
Speaker 2: the Tigers did add to his skill set. So he
20:02
Speaker 2: has checked those boxes and that's why he's on this
20:05
Speaker 2: team and the adjustments on the plate are why he
20:08
Speaker 2: is playing well right now. Uh really is kind of
20:12
Speaker 2: a game changer, because what do you need, you need
20:14
Speaker 2: a a middle of the order, right handed bat. And
20:17
Speaker 2: I've probably said this before too, but right now it
20:20
Speaker 2: looks like you have one, and it's the guy that
20:22
Speaker 2: almost got passed over. This is a funny sport, man.
20:26
Speaker 2: It is just funny how things work sometimes. And yes,
20:30
Speaker 2: we'll check back on this in May and June and
20:32
Speaker 2: July and August in September. But one thing that also
20:36
Speaker 2: stood out to me today when Tork hit the walk
20:38
Speaker 2: off double, like his teammates seemed so happy, not just
20:43
Speaker 2: to win, but they seemed happy for Tork, Like the
20:45
Speaker 2: hugs and the backslaps he were getting, they like, you
20:48
Speaker 2: could tell that I think that they are rooting for
20:49
Speaker 2: this guy as well.
20:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the Riley Green quote. It always
20:53
Speaker 1: comes back my Torq breaks like Riley Green never like
20:58
Speaker 1: had like never lost confidence in Tork. And and I like,
21:02
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers say defensively for him,
21:07
Speaker 1: but I'm but like he he is the bailout. He
21:11
Speaker 1: already has been the bailout a couple of times, you know,
21:13
Speaker 1: playing first base.
21:14
Speaker 2: Dude, that's kind of a great point. I don't know
21:18
Speaker 2: what it is. He looks so much better defensively.
21:20
Speaker 1: And we talked about talked about the double play, uh,
21:23
Speaker 1: you know, after after Friday, and like, I don't know, man,
21:28
Speaker 1: I know eventually there's gonna have to be some shuffling.
21:31
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to play cold, keep that first base
21:33
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So I'm not I'm not like
21:36
Speaker 1: living in delusion right now. But at the same time,
21:40
Speaker 1: some of those plays we saw this weekend, how confident
21:42
Speaker 1: are you Colts making him.
21:45
Speaker 2: I don't think he turns that double play. It definitely
21:48
Speaker 2: doesn't look if he does.
21:49
Speaker 1: And we don't know how. We don't know his scoop capability,
21:53
Speaker 1: Like we just don't know, like.
21:54
Speaker 2: And we do know that that is towards one kind
21:57
Speaker 2: of calling card on defense.
21:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, so worth mentioning that would say, all right, uh
22:03
Speaker 1: I had Baia's like adjustments didn't work. We're not gonna
22:07
Speaker 1: talk about that now because so kudos to Hobbier. Uh,
22:13
Speaker 1: I would say, well, we another thing we learned Cody
22:18
Speaker 1: choice is validated by the front office in terms of
22:22
Speaker 1: the pitching selection picture selection. I should say, like, Casey,
22:27
Speaker 1: my again sample size, we don't understand Casey, my eyes
22:30
Speaker 1: look awesome, all right, and my ada makes you think, well,
22:35
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's not started, so like so like uh.
22:39
Speaker 2: Kin has gone deck to not holding his glossy.
22:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like that's that's something. And then you know,
22:45
Speaker 1: they just kept adding to the bullpen in ways that
22:47
Speaker 1: I think that I think, like even even though you
22:51
Speaker 1: understood it, you're like, did did you really need to?
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah? Like that's all I felt about. Like what I said,
22:58
Speaker 2: I was like, I've gotten you point where I just
23:00
Speaker 2: trust the Tigers when they acquire a pitcher. So I
23:04
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily think it was a bad signing. It was like,
23:08
Speaker 2: I don't quite know if there's actually upside here, and
23:11
Speaker 2: do you need them when you could have had Matt
23:14
Speaker 2: Manning in your bullpen? No, I think I'd rather have
23:17
Speaker 2: John Brevier right now.
23:18
Speaker 1: So yeah, it looks like about that bullpen though, and
23:24
Speaker 1: again there's you know, games happening as I'm doing these stats.
23:28
Speaker 1: They're not all probably there's a chance that something could
23:31
Speaker 1: have changed or whatever, but they lead baseball. The bullpen
23:34
Speaker 1: bullpen specifically leads baseball and whip and fourth and opponent's
23:38
Speaker 1: batting average all baseball.
23:41
Speaker 2: So like, so that's with bow Briski not necessarily throwing
23:44
Speaker 2: all that well.
23:45
Speaker 1: Right now, sure, and again that's including the Maida experience.
23:49
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I think I think pitching choices have
23:53
Speaker 1: been has been validated. And just for the record, there
23:56
Speaker 1: was not a choice that Maida was gonna be on
23:58
Speaker 1: this roster. That choice was made eighteen months ago. So yeah, yeah,
24:02
Speaker 1: that we're not including the best, you know, I mean.
24:04
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're gonna be real, We're gonna be adults
24:06
Speaker 2: about that one. Yes, Okay, I want to talk about
24:09
Speaker 2: the plans at the plate though. Okay, this is just
24:13
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of a hard thing to quantify, but
24:15
Speaker 2: the numbers entering Sunday's game, the Tigers were seeing twenty
24:19
Speaker 2: five pitches on average in the first inning. That was
24:22
Speaker 2: best in baseball. They had scored I believe, thirteen runs
24:25
Speaker 2: in the first inning, that was the best in baseball.
24:28
Speaker 2: They didn't necessarily jump on Martin Perez as well as
24:31
Speaker 2: they had some other starters and press pitches of contact.
24:35
Speaker 2: But there is some something has been going on, I
24:39
Speaker 2: think since last September, last August where Tigers hitters are
24:45
Speaker 2: taking the hitters meetings into the game better. Like you
24:49
Speaker 2: can see it's not just good at bats. You can
24:51
Speaker 2: usually see some sort of theme in their approach, and
24:55
Speaker 2: aj Hn Johnson says like game plans aren't team why
24:57
Speaker 2: they're individualized. Of course that makes police sense, but usually
25:02
Speaker 2: there's some theme against the posing picture, whether it's as
25:04
Speaker 2: simple as we're going to make this guy work where
25:06
Speaker 2: we're going to be aggressive, or we're not going to
25:08
Speaker 2: swing at a slider and we're gonna jump on fastballs.
25:11
Speaker 2: I just feel like you can see these things more tangibly,
25:14
Speaker 2: especially early in games, than you really have been for
25:18
Speaker 2: the duration of my time covering the Tigers. So I
25:21
Speaker 2: kind of asked aj about that. I ask carry Carpenter.
25:24
Speaker 2: Carrie probably got it right. He just kind of credited
25:28
Speaker 2: that to experience. Get some experience, you get some confidence.
25:32
Speaker 2: It's a little easier to stick to your plan rather
25:35
Speaker 2: than coming out of your plan. It seems like the
25:38
Speaker 2: Tigers and their coaching staff must be doing a good
25:40
Speaker 2: job of presenting hitters with the right information and communicating
25:45
Speaker 2: it well, because it just sticks out to me this
25:48
Speaker 2: still isn't a murderer's row line up, even though they're
25:50
Speaker 2: doing great statistically right now, but it seems like a
25:54
Speaker 2: lineup that has a more calculated played approach and that
25:59
Speaker 2: has been leading to good results so far.
26:04
Speaker 1: So yeah, like the one of the things I'm kind
26:07
Speaker 1: of waiting on to, Like, like as much as we
26:10
Speaker 1: talk about being prison in moments all this stuff, I
26:12
Speaker 1: do want to give more time to some of the
26:13
Speaker 1: stuff like first pitch, attacking and and and some of
26:18
Speaker 1: those metrics like it's fun, you know, and when Dan
26:21
Speaker 1: and Bobby talk about him, and I'm sure Jason Andy
26:24
Speaker 1: talking about him too, but I'm listening to the radio, uh,
26:27
Speaker 1: like it's all fun and good. It's really interesting, but
26:29
Speaker 1: I just don't know yet. But but again, you have
26:33
Speaker 1: my attention on that kind of stuff because one of
26:36
Speaker 1: those like baseball cliches like your first pitch is like
26:40
Speaker 1: yet might be your best pitch? Like what if that's
26:43
Speaker 1: like a trend that's kind of coming back, you know,
26:45
Speaker 1: I mean like it's just like a million things that
26:47
Speaker 1: could be so so I am. I am looking at
26:50
Speaker 1: that as well. But you know, this is this is
26:54
Speaker 1: an appropriate thing to talk about today. The gritty tig thing.
27:00
Speaker 1: Big part of that was the base running. Well, like
27:03
Speaker 1: like running is still in style. That's another thing that
27:07
Speaker 1: I believe we have learned is that you know, is
27:09
Speaker 1: this something that's really gonna carry over. And we and
27:13
Speaker 1: we seen the we seen the downside to that a
27:16
Speaker 1: couple of times. But you talked about hobby aer Hobby
27:19
Speaker 1: taking you know, an extra ninety feet like that wasn't
27:22
Speaker 1: no gimme right and and and so like we we
27:25
Speaker 1: seen the Joey core like Joey Korr doesn't have any
27:28
Speaker 1: other way. Riley Green almost like went too aggressively there
27:32
Speaker 1: over the weeks.
27:33
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm glad I looked. I normally don't even look.
27:36
Speaker 2: I'm just so used to going that's good, that's good.
27:40
Speaker 1: But it it's like that that's still part of this team.
27:45
Speaker 1: That's still something that they view as a way is
27:49
Speaker 1: carried over and it's still gonna be a way they
27:51
Speaker 1: view to like get wins, right, to get runs to
27:55
Speaker 1: get wins. And so, uh, we talked about how cool
27:58
Speaker 1: this offense you know is right now relatively speaking, what
28:02
Speaker 1: it could be with some health you know that comes back,
28:06
Speaker 1: Like I think through it all, it's gonna be the
28:11
Speaker 1: base running aggressiveness is going to be there because right
28:14
Speaker 1: now I can't I don't know if I could say
28:15
Speaker 1: like the defense is one hundred percent the same to
28:19
Speaker 1: previous but I can say that the base running is
28:22
Speaker 1: the same, speaking of defense and base running and hitting,
28:27
Speaker 1: Ryan Kreidler, Ryan Kreidler. I like, again, I'm not this
28:32
Speaker 1: is not me trying to be mean, but Ryan Kreidler's
28:34
Speaker 1: Ryan Kreidler. I think that's something we learned. I don't think,
28:37
Speaker 1: I like, I don't think we've seen any sort of
28:39
Speaker 1: like huh. I wonder if there's like something there. You know,
28:42
Speaker 1: he did have that one today that, like, you know,
28:45
Speaker 1: from the TV broadcast, you thought, oh, you know, I
28:47
Speaker 1: don't know how it looked like, you know, live in person,
28:50
Speaker 1: it was a nearly one oh three exit V level,
28:54
Speaker 1: a little bit up on the angle thirty nine degrees.
28:57
Speaker 3: Uh.
28:58
Speaker 1: You wanted that for him because you wanted him to
29:00
Speaker 1: be able to do a little bit something offensively every
29:03
Speaker 1: time to justifies the wrong word, but to give it
29:07
Speaker 1: a little bit more credence to the fact that he's
29:09
Speaker 1: going to be spending as of now a decent amount
29:12
Speaker 1: of time in center field. I think we kind of
29:14
Speaker 1: have a good idea of Ryan Kreidler, and that's somebody
29:18
Speaker 1: that can be useful in certain areas. But I don't
29:20
Speaker 1: know if you're asking for a whole lot. So that's, uh,
29:25
Speaker 1: that's my point on that.
29:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's it's tough, But we knew the bat
29:29
Speaker 2: was a concern. We knew the bat was a question.
29:31
Speaker 2: Right now the bat is a concern, and I think
29:35
Speaker 2: there's a real argument to like, is the defense good
29:37
Speaker 2: enough to make up for it? I guess that leads
29:42
Speaker 2: to the natural question I've heard people asking it, like
29:45
Speaker 2: who goes down when gliber Tours is back? I feel
29:48
Speaker 2: like I've covered baseball long enough to like, I never
29:50
Speaker 2: put too much stake into those questions, as you guys
29:53
Speaker 2: probably know, because like, are we really just assuming Glaber
29:56
Speaker 2: is going to be back right when that ten day
29:58
Speaker 2: mark is over? You know, toxic labor recently seems like
30:00
Speaker 2: he's doing well. He of course he wants to be
30:05
Speaker 2: you know, he's gonna probably need a rehab game or two,
30:08
Speaker 2: and then like we'll see, is everyone else gonna be
30:11
Speaker 2: healthy by then? Will someone be a glaring candidate to
30:14
Speaker 2: go down? I would feel like Kreidler's the most glaring
30:17
Speaker 2: candidates go down right now. But then it's still like, well,
30:20
Speaker 2: but they chose him for his defense, but bruh, you
30:24
Speaker 2: can't send down Jahn. I mean, Jay Hen has done
30:27
Speaker 2: nothing but show you this is why I should have
30:29
Speaker 2: been on the team from day one. And then it's like, statistically,
30:34
Speaker 2: Margo's actually been helpful, but he's not necessarily playing that much.
30:37
Speaker 2: How does he fit and function on the roster? If
30:41
Speaker 2: Glaber is back shortly and if everyone else is healthy,
30:43
Speaker 2: it will be a very interesting decision.
30:46
Speaker 1: So that's That's another that leads right into the next
30:49
Speaker 1: thing that we learned is that Jay Hen is walk
30:53
Speaker 1: god like. And it's not necessarily that he's the best,
30:57
Speaker 1: you know, drawing walks or you know, he's he's been
31:00
Speaker 1: earned a couple of times, like thinking that he got
31:02
Speaker 1: the he got the fourth ball there, but the fact
31:05
Speaker 1: that this guy has the walk equivalent of a bat
31:09
Speaker 1: flip in his arsenal. It's a w it's a walk
31:13
Speaker 1: god thing like j Head's walk God. It's entertaining us
31:16
Speaker 1: hell to c ball four and then drop the bat
31:19
Speaker 1: and it's like all like one motion, as if he
31:21
Speaker 1: practiced to like take off the pads and like it
31:25
Speaker 1: like it's it's perfect. It's it actually is like fun
31:28
Speaker 1: to watch, like it is fun to watch him walk
31:31
Speaker 1: so like, and and you know him at the front
31:34
Speaker 1: of the lineup. He had to hit on Saturday to
31:36
Speaker 1: get things going, like it's it pains me to think like.
31:42
Speaker 2: You can't no, you can't, no. I would be I
31:46
Speaker 2: would be very critical if it. I mean, he's hitting
31:48
Speaker 2: leadoff for you, and he is bringing impact to the game.
31:54
Speaker 2: I guess if you send down Kreiler, you're gonna have
31:56
Speaker 2: to play Jay Hid in the field a little bit
31:58
Speaker 2: more and we would have to see how that goes.
32:01
Speaker 2: But man, it's fun to watch this guy take us
32:03
Speaker 2: at bats. Mentioned the bat flip. Remember in Casey miz
32:08
Speaker 2: bat flipped after a walk like twenty twenty one. It
32:11
Speaker 2: was legendary. Someone brought that up to me and I
32:14
Speaker 2: had like forgotten about it. I wish we had that
32:16
Speaker 2: video uploaded. We should play You guys should go watch it.
32:19
Speaker 2: That's that's really how it's done right there. But Jahn, Yeah,
32:23
Speaker 2: I don't have much more to say other than he's
32:26
Speaker 2: not a prototypical leadoff hitter, but he's a very modern
32:28
Speaker 2: leadoff hitter. This guy works good at bats, takes his walks.
32:31
Speaker 2: We know he has power. I wouldn't be surprised if
32:33
Speaker 2: we start seeing a ball or to leave the yard shortly.
32:37
Speaker 2: I just have a lot of very good things to
32:40
Speaker 2: say about Justin Henry Maloy, and I think the whole
32:43
Speaker 2: lineup looks better with him than it agree completely.
32:46
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to our fan Dual Sports Network
32:51
Speaker 1: player spotlight. I feel like we've talked a lot about
32:55
Speaker 1: this roster, Cody, and we haven't gotten to this guy yet.
32:58
Speaker 1: We mentioned him a little bit, but cold Keith col
33:00
Speaker 1: Keith is somebody that I'm watching because it's it's quite
33:07
Speaker 1: The start to the season is fascinating, fascinating, like he
33:12
Speaker 1: has he leads the American League and walks. Cody, he
33:15
Speaker 1: has twelve. He got another one today. All right, he
33:18
Speaker 1: leads the American League and walks, but he's only got
33:19
Speaker 1: four hits, and he is not getting great exit velow.
33:26
Speaker 1: If you look at his Baseball Savat page, he is
33:28
Speaker 1: not having good batspeed. His whift rate is not great,
33:33
Speaker 1: square up rate not great. Like he He's actually kind
33:37
Speaker 1: of across the board bat offensively right now, other than
33:41
Speaker 1: obviously the getting on base aspect of walking, fielding bary mediocre.
33:47
Speaker 1: But again, this is a guy that thought he's gonna
33:49
Speaker 1: be playing first base, and as of this you know
33:51
Speaker 1: first part of the year he's playing a lot of
33:53
Speaker 1: second base. We all we saw it last year, so
33:57
Speaker 1: there's no reason to like doubt Colt Keith. But the
34:00
Speaker 1: point is that I think this lineup can be carried
34:04
Speaker 1: for stretches by Carry Carpenter and Riley Green, and right
34:07
Speaker 1: now we just kind of have to put like Torgelsen
34:09
Speaker 1: in there to some extent. But you're gonna need Colt
34:13
Speaker 1: Keith to be the hitter that he has been they
34:16
Speaker 1: showed last season and that his entire professional career has
34:19
Speaker 1: been hyped about like and I'm sure it will happen.
34:22
Speaker 1: But that's but that's why it's the player spotlight, because
34:25
Speaker 1: I want to see it happen sooner rather than later,
34:28
Speaker 1: because he's not in any danger. But it's gonna look
34:33
Speaker 1: bad to keep trying him out there at a certain
34:36
Speaker 1: point when all these other guys are producing and maybe
34:38
Speaker 1: a producer is getting sent down.
34:41
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
34:41
Speaker 1: Am I calling for anything.
34:43
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, let's do it. It's gonna be a
34:45
Speaker 2: weird cold. Keith is not in any danger. He has
34:47
Speaker 2: a four fifty seven to one base percentage. Of course,
34:51
Speaker 2: he's not hitting the ball very well when you say
34:54
Speaker 2: he doesn't get ex of you low. I saw him
34:55
Speaker 2: hit one that left the ball that left the bat
34:57
Speaker 2: at one oh wait, just two days ago, so like
35:00
Speaker 2: it's in there. He's hit a lot of balls that
35:03
Speaker 2: were not well hit, and I think he's battling that
35:06
Speaker 2: right now. I think obviously entering the year, hitting for
35:10
Speaker 2: a little more power, getting the ball in the air,
35:13
Speaker 2: getting a little more exit. Vila was a focus for him.
35:16
Speaker 2: It almost seems like made My theory, operating theory is
35:20
Speaker 2: that he is he has tried so hard to improve
35:23
Speaker 2: in those aspects that it's forsaken a little bit of
35:26
Speaker 2: the things that makes him a very good hitter, which
35:29
Speaker 2: is making good hard contact, which is being able to
35:34
Speaker 2: handle multiple pitches and use the whole field. He just
35:37
Speaker 2: seems very out of sorts, as we've talked about. Credit
35:40
Speaker 2: to him for still being able to take walks and
35:42
Speaker 2: not get overly jumpy. But the bat speed metric does
35:47
Speaker 2: concern me because it's gone down from last year. His
35:50
Speaker 2: average bat speed last season was seventy one point three
35:53
Speaker 2: miles per hour, and this season right now it's sixty
35:56
Speaker 2: nine miles per hour. I don't know why the guy's
36:00
Speaker 2: bat speed has declined.
36:02
Speaker 1: It feels like a lack of cohesiveness, like probably probably
36:08
Speaker 1: a little bit unsure, you know what I mean. Like
36:11
Speaker 1: it's just like maybe like an overthinking element. Could be
36:13
Speaker 1: anything but at this But and again, this is not
36:17
Speaker 1: a panic Cold Keith Players Spotlight. This is not a
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Speaker 1: should they we have a conversation Colt Keith player spotlight.
36:25
Speaker 1: This is a it's gonna have to have the best
36:28
Speaker 1: version of this team has Colt Keith mashing. All right,
36:32
Speaker 1: So like that's and I'm looking to see it. So
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Speaker 1: an extended free trial. All right, Cody, that was that
36:53
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. I feel like we did
36:54
Speaker 1: learn a lot. I feel like we learned.
36:56
Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about Jackson job.
36:58
Speaker 1: We didn't even talk about Jackson Joe. Uh and because
37:01
Speaker 1: I didn't really have anything new to say. Uh, but
37:06
Speaker 1: it is he looks he looks like I'm gonna credit
37:10
Speaker 1: Mark Orosh. He had a good tweet about it earlier.
37:13
Speaker 1: He said he's got elite major league stuff with like
37:18
Speaker 1: triple A I'm a misquote him, but triple A command,
37:21
Speaker 1: I think is what he said. So if I'm wrong,
37:23
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Execution, execution, something like that, and he goes,
37:27
Speaker 1: that's why he's here talking about in Detroit, and that
37:30
Speaker 1: is also true. So that's kind of how that that
37:32
Speaker 1: would be how I feel about one Jackson Joe Good
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Speaker 1: on the Tigers to be able to again scrap together
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Speaker 1: or when when your starting pitcher hasn't had it, And honestly,
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Speaker 1: that's something we do not to spend a lot of time.
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Speaker 1: And we've gone along here, but like it's not like
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Speaker 1: they've gotten elite started pitching this year, the Tigers and
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Speaker 1: the and this five and four start like overall, like,
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Speaker 1: you know, gotten some pretty good but it's not like
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Speaker 1: you know that you know, we'll see if we.
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Speaker 2: We haven't got peaked Schoogle yet. Actually, Flirty's been very good,
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Speaker 2: even if the stuff hasn't been quite good. Reese hasn't
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Speaker 2: quite clicked like as much as you would want. We're
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Speaker 2: still waiting on Casey my start number two. So that's
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Speaker 2: a great point. What was expected to be the strength
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Speaker 2: of the team has been more pretty good kind of good.
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Speaker 1: They have not written started starting pitching to a five
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Speaker 1: and four start as I think a good way, a
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Speaker 1: good way to say all right, that was a lot
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