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Son, this is bait | HBR Talk 386 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three point eighty six. Son.
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  Speaker 1: This is Bait. I'm your host, Hannah Wallen here with
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  Speaker 1: nonsense annihilator Lauren Brooks and the personification of perceptivity Mike Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: And we have the doge in charge, Brian Martinez, working
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  Speaker 1: in the background to make things happen. Tonight, we are
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  Speaker 1: looking at an article that was sent to me by
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  Speaker 1: a regular listener. He's from the night cycle account on
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  Speaker 1: x which I believe is also night Motorcyclist in our chat,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, he's he's been through a lot. And one
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  Speaker 1: of the big things that I learned from Night Motorcyclist
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  Speaker 1: is that these systems that up until twenty probably twenty
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  Speaker 1: sixteen or twenty eighteen worked both ways for discrimination and
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  Speaker 1: things like that have been so taken over by feminists
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  Speaker 1: that and nothing in the government works the way that
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to work now, So you go go through
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  Speaker 1: exactly the same experience that a woman could report for discrimination,
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  Speaker 1: and if you report it, you get punished instead. So
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  Speaker 1: we've got a lot of work to do in government
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  Speaker 1: to get things back on an even keel for both sexes.
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  Speaker 1: But in any case, tonight we have a subject that
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  Speaker 1: is an article he sent us, and it is a
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  Speaker 1: much darker subject than just how difficult it is to
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  Speaker 1: avoid being discriminated against, which is pretty dark in and
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  Speaker 1: of itself, but this is worse. But before we get
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  Speaker 1: into it, we have a not so dark super chow
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  Speaker 1: and then we got to do what we got to do.
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  Speaker 1: So yesterday at eleven oh two pm went I don't
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  Speaker 1: even know if there was a show going on at
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  Speaker 1: the time, but it didn't get red on the air,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm reading it now. Patricia Bateman sent us five
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  Speaker 1: dollars and said, oh my god, look at those shoes,
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  Speaker 1: the subtle off white coloring, the tasteful thickness of it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh mg, it even has a branding. And I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea what show that's for, So if somebody would
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  Speaker 1: like to provide us with context for that. It's a
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  Speaker 1: little confusing from the perspective of the HBr talk crowd.
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  Speaker 1: It's a show. There we go, how dare you? What's
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  Speaker 1: your shoe? How day? It's gonna be the lightest bit
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  Speaker 1: of the show the whole night. And it's not just
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  Speaker 1: mentioned of the shoes color.
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  Speaker 2: Even though it's a quote from American psycho, it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be the least dark thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it is.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: the top of the page. And with that we will
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  Speaker 1: get into the thing that we have to get into today.
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  Speaker 1: And when I saw this article, I knew it was
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  Speaker 1: going to be bad. But the the investigation that they've
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  Speaker 1: done here involves direct communication with the people that are
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  Speaker 1: involved in the situation. And and it's interesting they're the
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  Speaker 1: way that they've responded to it and everything, because as
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  Speaker 1: I said, you know, I posted on post it on
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  Speaker 1: X and I don't know if I said it in
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  Speaker 1: my opener, but uh, this this, this article is about
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  Speaker 1: a method used to get men to the Russian Front
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  Speaker 1: that has a very familiar ring to it. We we
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  Speaker 1: have a name for it when this is done to women,
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  Speaker 1: and it's something that we've heard about a guy particularly
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  Speaker 1: hated by feminists and British officials and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: the BBC too, uh having done and uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's he's accused of it, and if he'd been found
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  Speaker 1: guilty he'd have been jailed for it. But let's let's
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  Speaker 1: see if you catch the similarity and uh, the difference
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  Speaker 1: in how it's being looked at here, and we'll start
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  Speaker 1: by playing their video. This is not very loud, and
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  Speaker 1: now look, I don't see a way to make it louder.
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  Speaker 3: Do you recognize your passport? And now look what will happen.
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  Speaker 3: It's burning well, Assyrian passport.
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  Speaker 1: So she said, do you recognize your passport? And now
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  Speaker 1: look what will happen to it? It's burning well, your
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  Speaker 1: Syrian passport. So there's your preview. Flames licked around the
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  Speaker 1: edges of Omar's passport. It's burning well, an unseen woman
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  Speaker 1: says in a Russian in the video. Omar, a twenty
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  Speaker 1: six year old Syrian construction worker, has been had been
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  Speaker 1: deployed for about nine months on the front line of
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  Speaker 1: Russia's war in Ukraine. When the clip arrived on his phone,
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  Speaker 1: he knew the woman's voice and I'm going to butcher
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  Speaker 1: her last name here, but it was Paulina Alexandrovna. I
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  Speaker 1: believe this is Zarniak, maybe a Zarnik, who he says
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  Speaker 1: had helped him sign up to fight for Russia. Promising
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  Speaker 1: lucrative work and Russian citizenship, but now she was angry.
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  Speaker 1: In a series of voice notes from Ukraine, Omar, speaking
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  Speaker 1: under a pseudonym for his safety, describes how he ended
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  Speaker 1: up trapped and terrified in a war zone. He says
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  Speaker 1: she had promised that if he paid her three thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars or twenty seven that's pounds, right, I think that's pounds,
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  Speaker 1: she would ensure he stayed in a non combat role.
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  Speaker 1: But he says he was sent into battle within with
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  Speaker 1: just ten days of training. Ten days of military training guys,
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  Speaker 1: So he refused to pay, and she eventually responded by
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  Speaker 1: burning his passport. I want you to remember one of
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  Speaker 1: the one of the reasons that gen X was taught
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  Speaker 1: to hate the Vietnam War and the way that the
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  Speaker 1: military handled it, was that our boys here in the
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  Speaker 1: United States were sent into combat with only six weeks
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  Speaker 1: weeks of training. Forty two days. He got ten. We
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  Speaker 1: were tricked. This woman is a con artist and a liar,
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  Speaker 1: says Omar. This is a social media post that she's
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  Speaker 1: made with these guys. They're all holding up their passports
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  Speaker 1: in the image or at least the cover, not the
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  Speaker 1: actual idea. Information right. Frequently she posts these images of
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  Speaker 1: herself with new recruits, including the Syrian group Omar traveled with.
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  Speaker 1: A BBCi investigation has followed how A Zarnik, the a
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  Speaker 1: forty year old former teacher, uses a telegram channel to
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  Speaker 1: lure young men, often from poor countries, into joining Russia's military.
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  Speaker 1: The former teachers, yeah, the former teacher, smiling video messages
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  Speaker 1: and upbeat posts offer one year contracts for quote military service.
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  Speaker 1: So the promise is that she's making them right Russian citizenship.
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  Speaker 1: So they leave a country that is intensely poor, like
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  Speaker 1: super super poor and go to a nation that is
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  Speaker 1: less poor. There's still not a wealthy nation. And like
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  Speaker 1: right before the show, another video came up when I
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  Speaker 1: was looking for more video to play on this and
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  Speaker 1: didn't really find anything that described housing in the coldest
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  Speaker 1: city in Russia. And granted, you need small spaces to
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  Speaker 1: retain heat, small internal spaces to retain heat. But Dayton, Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: where I live, has been noted as one of the
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  Speaker 1: ten worst places to live in the United States because
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  Speaker 1: of how cheap the housing here is. And it's true,
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  Speaker 1: you can get a two bedroom home here two bedroom
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  Speaker 1: usually two one and a half two bathrooms, often with
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  Speaker 1: a basement, often with a yard, for under seventy thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: What the fuck? But you have to have four or
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  Speaker 1: five locks on your door in the neighborhoods where those
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  Speaker 1: homes are selling, right, But the home itself is you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you put a couple of normal sized apartments together
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  Speaker 1: from this area, you get about the size of that home,
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  Speaker 1: and usually you know your mortgage payment's going to be
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  Speaker 1: a lot lower than living in one of those apartments. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it's pretty decent, right, That's what it costs to
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  Speaker 1: live in the equivalent of a studio, large studio apartment
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  Speaker 1: that's been divided up into rooms in that city in Russia,
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  Speaker 1: in a building that is designed using strictly brutalist architecture.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's it's not there. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: it's understandable in an environment that cold that the rooms
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  Speaker 1: would be smaller, but to have to combine the bedroom
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  Speaker 1: and the living room to have a kit that you
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  Speaker 1: can barely turn around in things like that, it's and
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  Speaker 1: and have that be luxury housing and you actually like
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  Speaker 1: to buy it like you buy a condo here. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's that's quite a difference between you know, the two countries.
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  Speaker 1: I would still call Russia kind of an impoverished country
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  Speaker 1: if that's the way that most people there are living,
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  Speaker 1: But compared to Syria, it's still, you know, quite quite luxurious.
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  Speaker 1: You're not living in a tent, you're not living in
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  Speaker 1: a building that's bombed out or cave or cave.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And similarly, you have there that she's recruiting from Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Africa.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, when your contracts for military service, Russian citizenship
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  Speaker 1: and no work on the front lines, it sounds very attractive.
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  Speaker 1: When they get there, they get ten days of training
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  Speaker 1: and they go right straight to the front lines. And
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  Speaker 1: then then it gets worse.
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  Speaker 2: And when you read this, you have to bear in
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  Speaker 2: mind the various biases that the BBC has. I know
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  Speaker 2: that the BBC wouldn't have biases. It's it's it's obliged
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  Speaker 2: to be unbiased and stuff. But anyone who anyone who
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  Speaker 2: knows anything about the BBC knows, yeah, they have a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of biases, and one of them is against
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  Speaker 2: Russia when it comes to the Ukraine War. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you never heard any of the of the stuff we
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  Speaker 2: told you about what Ukrainian men went through because that's
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  Speaker 2: not in the BBC's interests. It's in the BBC's interests
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  Speaker 2: to to propaganda is against Russia and its government, and
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  Speaker 2: it's military all this such, But it's also in their interests.
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  Speaker 2: They're also biased in favor of women, so it wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: make as much sense that they're levying all of this
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  Speaker 2: against a woman, albeit a Russian woman. That's that's where
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  Speaker 2: it all comes to a head. And you're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what to believe, but they are very
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  Speaker 2: much in favor of Syria, while with it being a
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  Speaker 2: Middle East and mostly Muslim nation, and and and.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so because just being a woman does.
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  Speaker 4: Not stack higher on the you know, the progressive stack,
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  Speaker 4: the progressive stack exactly. Then then being in and you know,
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  Speaker 4: oh my god, an undocumented or immigrant.
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  Speaker 1: Being being a.
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  Speaker 4: Simple woman is just all you're just all right, we'll
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  Speaker 4: bitch getting back in line.
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  Speaker 2: Plus, plus, the woman in question is not just a
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  Speaker 2: white woman, but a blonde white woman. There's there's some
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  Speaker 2: kind of Nazi ship going on there. So there's there's
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  Speaker 2: a fucking Tessa ract of opposing biases going on here.
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  Speaker 2: So you have to question, you have to question everything
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  Speaker 2: you hear when it comes to the BBC. So don't
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  Speaker 2: don't hear any of this and go, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: that's because it must be true. No, don't don't assume
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  Speaker 2: any of this is true. The way the biases against
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  Speaker 2: each other, like what would the BBC say that that
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  Speaker 2: is true? And what would they say that it is
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  Speaker 2: not true? And then we're wading into this as a
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  Speaker 2: fucking swamp of opposing chemical reactions, none of which makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say, though the video that we showed
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  Speaker 1: it to be, any of this of the passport being burned,
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  Speaker 1: there's no context that that makes that okay. There's not
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  Speaker 1: a bias out there that makes it okay to lure
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  Speaker 1: someone to foreign country and then burn their their passport.
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  Speaker 4: Well see you you said when you were reading the
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  Speaker 4: uh you know the text, you said Omar, And you
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  Speaker 4: know my brain goes immediately to Iran Omar, Yes, can
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  Speaker 4: we burn her passport? Can we send this bitch back? Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but that's not what we're talking about. So no, no.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I would, I would be may come, these
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  Speaker 1: guys aren't being threatened with deportation. They're being threatened with
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  Speaker 1: not being able to leave ever right, their lives right. So,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, it does get worse. The BBC World
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  Speaker 1: Service has identified nearly five hundred cases where she has
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  Speaker 1: provided documents referred to as invitations, which allow the recipient
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  Speaker 1: to enter Russia to join the military. These have been
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  Speaker 1: for men mainly from Syria, Egypt and Yemen, who appear
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  Speaker 1: to have sent their passport details in order to enlist.
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  Speaker 1: But recruits and their relatives have told the BBC that
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  Speaker 1: she misled men into believing they would avoid combat, failed
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  Speaker 1: to make clear that they could not leave after a year,
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  Speaker 1: and threatened those who challenged her. When contacted by the BBC,
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  Speaker 1: she rejected the allegations. Twelve families told us of young
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  Speaker 1: men they say were recruited by her who are now
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  Speaker 1: dead or missing. Jesus Christ yep. She frequently post videos
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  Speaker 1: of herself encouraging people to serve in the Russian military.
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  Speaker 1: So this is something else. Guys, wherever you're from, if
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this, you don't owe another country your
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  Speaker 1: military service. No, your own country shouldn't be using exploiting
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  Speaker 1: your military service for anything but national defense to keep
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  Speaker 1: invaders out erect right. So basically, if somebody sends you
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  Speaker 1: a telegram message or some other social media message, and
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  Speaker 1: they're promising all kinds of Look, be a mercenary in
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  Speaker 1: our military and you'll get all kinds of great things.
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  Speaker 1: Never forget what they're asking you to trade for that,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's the most upfront and honest recruitment video
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  Speaker 1: that has ever existed in the history of all humankind,
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  Speaker 1: they're asking you to kill other men and risk being
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  Speaker 1: killed by other men for whatever it is there you.
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  Speaker 1: You can probably get that or its equivalent without any
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  Speaker 1: killing involved. All they can offer you is money and
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  Speaker 1: things like citizenship. Really, that's about it. They can say
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  Speaker 1: they're going to offer you prestige, but you know what
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  Speaker 1: happens post Vietnam and every single war, right the men
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  Speaker 1: that come back from the war, expecting to be viewed
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  Speaker 1: as heroes are treated like they knew of whatever atrocities
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  Speaker 1: their country was committing the whole time and chose to
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  Speaker 1: be part of it, and are just evil villains that
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  Speaker 1: nobody should ever love again. So there's no prestige they
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  Speaker 1: can offer you. The only thing that they can offer
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  Speaker 1: you is money and legal statuses that you can get
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  Speaker 1: in other ways. Never fall for something like this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it just kind of shows, uh, the nature
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  Speaker 4: of men and how they're just willing to lay their
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  Speaker 4: lives down to either, even if it's under such facetious
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  Speaker 4: fucking terms as oh, look at you want to see
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  Speaker 4: boob I you know what I mean. It's it's just
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  Speaker 4: the enticement of women.
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  Speaker 1: Two get.
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  Speaker 4: But that's what it all is, that's what the fuck
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  Speaker 4: it all is. It's it's protect your women, put your
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  Speaker 4: life down on the line, to protect your women.
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  Speaker 1: And they're the woman who offers to give you something
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  Speaker 1: to travel to a foreign country.
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  Speaker 4: Right right again, right like it's it's not even your women,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's a different countries.
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  Speaker 1: Women. Just come in done, no, finish your thought, No, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm done.
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  Speaker 2: War in general is very often blamed on the nature
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  Speaker 2: of men. It's just something about men. All men, they
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  Speaker 2: just like fighting wars. But imagine a population of men
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  Speaker 2: who is happy with their lives. They all have wives,
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  Speaker 2: and they all have children, and they all have jobs
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  Speaker 2: they enjoy. If if if the government came to them
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  Speaker 2: saying go fight this war. Never mind, if some bint
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  Speaker 2: came to them saying they go and fight this war
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  Speaker 2: and and and will give you a fucking used car
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  Speaker 2: or whatever they equivalent was just saying, now a population
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  Speaker 2: of such men would would not go to war unless
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  Speaker 2: they genuinely believed that the there that their homeland was
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  Speaker 2: it was generally being threatened with invasion. They wouldn't was
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  Speaker 2: not fought because of male nature. War was are fought
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  Speaker 2: because there is almost always this glut of men who
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  Speaker 2: have nothing to lose because they don't have women who
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  Speaker 2: love them, they don't have families who love them. This
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  Speaker 2: becomes exponentially exaggerated in countries where they have polygamy, specifically polyandry,
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  Speaker 2: where the richest of men can have four wives and upwards,
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  Speaker 2: and that leaves seventy five percent of the men upwards
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  Speaker 2: with nothing, with nothing to preserve within their own homeland.
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  Speaker 2: They're not just happy with their lot in life. They're
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  Speaker 2: not just happy with their log cabin and their family
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  Speaker 2: and the simple life that they have because they don't
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  Speaker 2: have any of that, and so of course they have
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  Speaker 2: nothing to fight for, but were whatever some bin tells
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  Speaker 2: them they have to fight for. And yeah, this isn't
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  Speaker 2: it isn't even a recent phenomenon that came about because
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  Speaker 2: of feminism. I mean, the wars on this scale have
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  Speaker 2: been fought since ancient times, since since the Bronze Age
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  Speaker 2: and before since the fucking Stone Age. But and you might,
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  Speaker 2: you might put that down to just the natural way
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  Speaker 2: that men and women fucking operate, And maybe it is,
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  Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean it's inevitable. It comes down
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  Speaker 2: to men who just wanted to be left alone. If
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  Speaker 2: if all you have access to is men who want
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  Speaker 2: to be left alone because they have all they want already,
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  Speaker 2: then you don't. You don't. You're not going to be
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  Speaker 2: able to get them to war for you. And unless,
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  Speaker 2: like I said, it is for them to defend what
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  Speaker 2: they have to themselves. Was I fought because of men
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  Speaker 2: who don't want to be left alone because they have
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  Speaker 2: nothing of their own to fight for? War? Was I
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  Speaker 2: fought because that? Because there is always this glut of
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: men who have nothing to fight for, and so they
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: just fight for the sake of for the sake of fighting.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Like Yeah, the shysters in charge are able
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: to fight these pointless fucking wars, or indeed these wars
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: that they think there is a point in, because they
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: will always have a certain percentage of their population of
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: men who will just go well, Yeah, I don't have
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a wife or children. I don't. I don't have a
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: home of my own or a life of my own
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to fight for. So yeah, why not, I'll just I'll
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: just believe you that that these people are bastards for
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: some reason or whatever. So yeah, fucking blow me up.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Why would I give a ship? And that's yeah, it's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: it's not male nature that leads to war. It's if anything,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: it's it's this corruption of male nature. It's this, it's
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: taking away everything that men want, a wife and a
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: child and a home. And once they don't have that,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you have yourself a soldier. And that's not to say
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: that there aren't any soldiers that do have those things,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: because there is something about men's nature that even if
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: they do have a wife and children and a home,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: they will still they will still want to fight for
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: them through the proxy of but whatever government is purporting
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: to be trying to save them. And yeah, this will
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: this will only get worse if you if you were
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: refused to leave these men alone, it will only get
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: better if you do these leave these men alone. Because
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: if you have a nation full of men who will
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: only defend their own homeland, then your homeland will never
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: get invaded. This is this is kind of the point
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of America. This is kind of the point of letting
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: everyone have their own guns. Like, no one can invade America,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: not even China, not even Russia, because there will always
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: be an American hiding behind a blade of grass with
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: a gun like you don't. They don't need to be
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: sent off to war. The country will always be safe
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: because they have their own guns. They are ready and
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: willing to defend their own property. With or without a government.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: You'll never be able to invade America as long as
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Americans have guns. And this would be the case with
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: every country. It should be the case with every country,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Like it doesn't matter what governments and politicians are fucking
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: bitching about. If everyone just had their own population of
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: men who are willing to defend their property, there wouldn't
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: be any fucking wars. I mean, I'm exaggerating slightly, but
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: you know, these these wars happen because private property is
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: being taken over by these shysters who don't consider anything
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: to be private. Property is their property, and they're going
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to use it to fight pointless international wars of a
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: pointless international bullshit like the fucking southeast territory of Ukraine,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: or like Greenland. I mean, I don't think the same
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: things can happen in Greenland. But if we were in
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a slightly worse day of affairs, maybe it would. Maybe
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: fucking thousands of of these men with nothing better to do,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: would be sent into Greenland to fucking fight over the
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: ice or some shit.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: The worst outcome would be if nations started sending their militaries,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: because that's Uh, those guys don't get a choice. Once
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: they're in the military. They get sent where their their
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: country sends them, and they get punished if they say
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: no at that point, just like any any military service,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: once you sign up, you belong to the government, and uh,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: wherever they send you, you go. But I don't think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: that's gonna happen so in this instance, though, we do
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: have a a relevant chat for Meredith G. Meredith G
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: gave us five dollars and said, HBr Talk three eighty
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: six the super Child from yesterday may have been for
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: the episode discussing the results on a recent study that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: shows that women are more prone to supporting political violence.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that helps with the context. Thanks
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: for the thought for hooking discussion. It does. And the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: thing is this is it's relevant to what we're talking
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: about here because they got they didn't get a man
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: to do this, they got a woman to do this.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: They got a woman to lower men from foreign countries
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to do what is essentially political violence. Right there, they're
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: fighting with Ukraine over an area of the former Soviet
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Union that was part part of Russia. Prior to the
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: history of the Soviet Union, Ukraine was part of Russia originally.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Though this entire, uh, the entire fight between them is
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: really just over how much of the part of Russia
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: that that Ukraine used to be is going to be
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: not part of Russia anymore. And the people in the
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: part that that is being fought over were Russian nationals
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: that wanted to remain part of Russia.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: It's like it's like if it's like if the southern
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: border of Texas was taken over by Mexicans, and and
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: and and if if for some reason, the the US
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Federation collapsed like the Soviet Union did, and and and
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the southern part of Texas and and and California and
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: New Mexico were taken over from Mexico once once that
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: was pushed back on It's it's like, it's like America
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: trying to go, okay, can we take these bits back next?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I know that's not It's almost more like if a
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: group of a tribe of Native Americans took an area
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: of the United States that most of the population was
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Native American there and said, we are going to form
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: our own country here, because historically neither the nation of
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Mexico nor the nation of the United States have a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: claim to being the original makeup of that land. It's
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: there isn't anything here that's quite the equivalent of the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: long standing existence of a nation in that area. And
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: if you want to go even farther back, you could
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: even go to the people that were displaced by the
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Native Americans, except that they don't live in this part
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of the world anymore. They fled all the way to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the southern tip of South America, just this little remote island,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: and they kill anybody that comes there that isn't part
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of their tribe. They learned, so uh. In any case, Yeah,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: there's this's it's kind of hard to pick a US
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: equivalent of this, but the bottom line is, you know it,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: when it comes down to who's being asked to fight,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and I use the term asked very very very ironically,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: since nobody's being asked on both sides. Everybody that's involved
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: is getting conned or forced into it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: But would be a bit of a in this.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Case, Yeah, in this case, it's it's definitely a good
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: way to put it. But they're they're not they're not
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: fighting for something that history holds up, and they're not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: fighting for something that would be right, you know, because
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: of some wrongdoing. There hasn't been some crime that one
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: side should be fighting against the other, but the other
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: side shouldn't be. Honestly, both sides have had wrongdoing, and
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the United States has had wrongdoing. Remember we we had
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: our president, President Obama committed a genocide in in that
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: part of Ukraine to stop the Russia nationals there from
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: from allowing Russia to annex that area. So there's no
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: innocent aspect of this. Russia is not one hundred percent
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: right and Ukraine's not one hundred percent right. Everybody's wrong.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: When this war is over, nobody will have won the war.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: One side will have lost the war harder than the other.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: And that's all it's going to happen here And that's
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: what these men are being conned into, and what the
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: Ukrainian men are being forced into. And all of this blood,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: this spilled blood, these wasted lives, and these terrified young
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: men who are being forced to fight against each other
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: against their will, to kill each other against their will.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: They're all stuck in this situation because it is making
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: money for money launderers in the US and in Ukraine
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: and in Russia, for oligarchs. That is all this entire
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: war is about. It's not about heritage, it's not about history.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: It's not about right and wrong. It's not about what
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the people of the nation want. It's not about who
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: has a right to what. It's not about freedom. It's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: not about people protecting their homes. It's about making money
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: for a bunch of money laundering, corrupt, bloodthirsty, callous, uncaring oligarchs.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Everyone involved in this that isn't one of those people
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: is lower than a pawn is in chess in their minds,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: every single one of them, including this woman. They don't
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: care about her either. If she is treated as a
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: war criminal later on by some tribunal and they hang her,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: not one of those oligarchs on whose behalf she's acting,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: will shed a single tear for her. They won't care,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: and they won't care about all the men that they
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: got killed. She won't either. She'll she'll cry over what's
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: going to happen to her, but she won't give a
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: rats ass about those men. Domestically, Russia has expanded conscription,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: recruited prisoners, and offered increasingly generous sign up bonuses to
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: maintain its operation in Ukraine despite substantial losses. And like
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I said, Ukraine's been doing exactly the same thing. Plus
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: they've been using bussification, which we saw a few weeks ago,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: where they're going out in public places and just randomly
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: kidnapping and impressing men into the military. More than one
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: million of its soldiers have been killed or wounded since
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the full scale invasion in twenty twenty two, with two
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand killed in the month of December
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five alone, According to NATO research by BBC
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: News Russian based on obituaries and other public of publicly
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: available death records, suggests Russian troop losses in Ukraine rose
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: faster than ever last year. It is difficult to determine
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: how many foreigners have joined Russian's military BBC Russian analysis,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: which also looked at the number of foreigners killed and injured,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: suggests that at least twenty thousand may have signed up,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: including from countries such as Cuba, Nepal, and North Korea. Imagine,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: all right, you get married and you have a kid,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: and your kid is your world, the most important person
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in your life. You do everything to make sure your
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: child grows up well educated, well fed, cared for, nurtured,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: loved provided for. You teach them right from wrong, You
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: teach them smart from dumb as best you can. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: your kid develops a moral outlook and looks around at
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the opportunities in your country and falls for some bullshit
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: scam perpetrated by a woman in a foreign country, and
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: she takes him to a nation where there's a war
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: taking place, sends him into a war zone with essentially
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: no training, and he dies. Like I just I cannot imagine.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: These guys must be terrified that this has happened to
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, they expressed terror. But the families are going
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to grieve for the rest of their lives, and they're
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: going to spend the whole rest of their lives wondering
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: what the hell they did wrong that their sons ended
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: up in a situation?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Can anyone tell me the population of Russia without looking
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: it up? Bear in mind, is the largest country in
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the world.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Land wise, yes, land.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: Wise, landwise yes. The population is about one hundred and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: fifty million at top estimates, which is less than half
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: of the United States. It's comparable to Germany. And I
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: guess that's largely because most of it is frozen wasteland.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: They can't house that many people. But even so, you'd
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: think it would be larger than that. And it's not
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: just because so much so much of it is inhabitable.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Is because every time there's a war. The Russian solution
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to this war is to throw as many men as
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: they possibly can into the meat grind it. When you
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: look at the deaths in World War Two, it was
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: something like twenty five million Russian has died it. I mean,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: even even the German losses were only like twelve million
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: or something like that. It was the same with the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Napoleon War. It's and it's the same with this war.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Their solution to every war is to it doesn't even
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: fucking matter, Let's just let's just kill as many of
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: our men as we possibly can. It's it's it's like
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: rich people solve every problem problem by throwing money at it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Russia solves every problem by throwing men at it, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: eventually they say they win. I mean they win inso
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: far as they have just enough men to be able
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: to expend a few of them into the meat grinder.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how much longer they didn't do this,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: but that's that's that's what they keep doing and.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Going to depend on how much longer they can get
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: foreign men into their country and use them instead of
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: their own men, or in addition to their own men.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: If there were no foreigners involved in the Russia Ukraine
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: War at all, it would have been over in a
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: few months. Neither side would have been able to sustain
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: this level of killing and death if they hadn't had
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: other nations pushing it, other oligarchs and other nations pushing it,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and if they hadn't been able to recruit mercenaries from
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: other nations using lies, false promises, and propaganda, which again
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: are just different types of lies. And it SA it's
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: not even like the World Wars, where at least there
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: was a grain of truth and the propaganda that was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: used to get men to sign up. This is all
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: straight up bullshit. It is all straight up bullshit. And
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I don't think they'd be able to get their own
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: men to do this voluntarily either nation, And I think
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: they would run out of men that they could force
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: into it if they didn't have this influx, this blood
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: donation from other countries. We need to get men in
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: nations that are not at war to become immune to
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: the propaganda that convinces them to donate their blood to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: other nations wars. So yeah, at least twenty thousand I
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: may have signed up from a variety of nations. Ukraine
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: has suffered significant troop losses too, and has also taken
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: foreign fighters into its ranks. And this is the part
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: where it's been dark It gets darker here, and it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: earlier aspects of this story we're upsetting. This part is
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It really drives it home in my opinion, what's going
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: on here. Omar's first contact with Azarnyik was when he
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: was stranded with barely any money at a Moscow airport
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty four together with fourteen other Syrians.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: So he was stuck at the airport already, he was
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: not in a situation where he could say no. Jobs
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: in Syria were scarce and low paid. Omar says a
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: recruiter there had offered the men what they understood to
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: be civilian work guarding oil facilities in Russia, not military work.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: So what they were originally brought to Russia for wasn't
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: even supposed to be military. They thought they were going
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: to be security guards in a civilian area. Wow. Yeah,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: they flew to Moscow only to learn they had been scammed.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: And what ends up when people are well, why didn't
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: they just go home? When is the happening? A situation
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: like that, if you have had a foreign business or
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: a foreign national pay your way into a country, or
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you skimped and saved every penny you had to pay
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to fly to a foreign country, and you're expecting to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: earn money there and use it to pay your way
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: back home, or you're expecting this scammer to pay your
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: way back home. That means if you get there and
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: it's a scam and you're not going to earn money
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and they're not going to pay your way back home,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: you have no way to get back home. So unless
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: you go through whatever process it takes to get deported
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: and sent home, you're screwed and you don't know. Different
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: countries may decide that you were trying to traffic drugs.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: The Russian court system isn't famous worldwide for being fair
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and lenient toward people that break laws in Russia. So
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: these men may have been afraid that they were going
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: to get jailed in Russia instead of sent home. If
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: they went to somebody and said, hey, we were shipped
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: here for jobs and there are no the jobs aren't
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: real and this was all a scam and it's not
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: legal like we thought it was. What do we do?
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: Is there a way for us to get home? They
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: may have be told, no, you're going to jail. You
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: broke our laws, you immigrated illegally. Right. The penalty They
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: could have even been told, you can't leave. The penalty
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: for what you've done here is death. You know. They
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: may have been told something terrifying enough. If they don't
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: speak Russian and they don't know enough about Russia, they
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: may have reason to believe their lives were in danger.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: If they went to the authorities. They may have had
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: no papers, you know, they may have had all kinds
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of issues keeping them from just going to the authority
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: for help. So they find out they've been scammed and
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: they're trapped in an airport. They searched online for options,
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: maybe trying to find a way to pay their way
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: home right. One of the group found as Nyarka's as
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Narkia's channels and message messaged her, so she was easily
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: found in a in a search for options what to
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: do in this situation. She met them at the airport
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: within hours and took them by train to a recruitment
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: center in Bransk, where Russian where Rustern, Russia, he says,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: where she offered them one year contracts with the Russian
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Army with a monthly salary of equivalent to about twenty
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: five hundred dollars or one thousand and fifty six pounds
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: and a sign up payment of five thousand dollars. Somes
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: they could only dream of in Syria. Actually, that would
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: be not too bad for if you were, you know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: living in a poverty situation here, what she's offering would
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: be an improvement if it were true, if it wasn't
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a scam. Omar says the contracts were in Russian, none
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: of which the men understood, and she took their passports,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: promising to arrange Russian citizenship. This is the part that
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: sounds familiar, like we know about somebody that was accused
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: of that and was threatened with prosecution for it. Became
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: internationally famous as a human trafficker for that, but not
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: for luring people to war, for allegedly luring people into
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: a compound where they made social media videos that were
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: illicit jah. That's it, essentially for porn, to produce porn,
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: which is a lot less fatal usually than going to
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: the front lines in a war, and not nearly as
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: scary as going to the front lines in a war.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: And if he had been found guilty of what he
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: was accused of, he would have been found guilty of
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: human traffic trafficking and he would have been jailed for
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: a very long time. He's hated all over the world,
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: and in the UK they're literally changing the curriculum of
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: their schools to prevent little boys from idolizing this guy.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: But here is this woman doing it in Russia, and
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: apparently the state is all on board with that. I
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: took their passports promising to arrange Russian citizenship. She also
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: promised they could avoid combat roles if they paid her
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: three thousand dollars each from and their sign up payments.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So now they're down to two thousand remaining. And of
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: course the guys did that, But he says within about
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a month he was on the front line with he says,
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: just ten days training and no military experience. We're one
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: hundred percent going to die here, he says in one
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: of his voice notes sent to the BBC investigative team.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: A lot of injuries, a lot of explosions, a lot
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: of shelling. If you don't die from the explosion, you'll
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: die from the debris landing on you, he says. In
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: May twenty twenty four, dead bodies everywhere. I've stepped on
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: dead bodies. God forgive me, he reports. The following month.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: If someone dies, I've seen it with my own eyes.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: They put him in a rubbish bag and throw him
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: next to a tree. He adds, after nearly a year, Wait,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: go ahead.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Thank you for not mentioning the guy who we won't mention,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: who's just employing women to be ethoughts. But I really
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: have to push back on the comparison.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: This is.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: These ethoughts are not doing They are having to step
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: over the bodies, yeah and stuff.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all he's accused of doing is you know, pushing
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: women into being ethoughts. And of course the allegations were
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: contested by the alleged victims in that instance, right, And
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: the entire world is up in arms over that. This
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: has been going on in Russia for like three years
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: and this is the first we've heard of it, and
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: the BBC just reports it as a matter of fact thing.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It's not getting the same attention from them, even though
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: these men were conned into Russia and then kept there
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: against their will and forced into a frontline combat zone
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: where they are getting blown up, shot at, forced to
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: watch their compatriots get blown up and shot at, and
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: where several of them are dying, and those that survive
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: are going to be traumatized for the rest of their lives.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: This is what causes PTSD in war. This environment. Every
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: second of every minute of every hour of every day
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that this soldier and all of his compatriots spend in
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: that environment, they have to be on high alert, in
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: terror for their lives while trying to manage the situation
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: so that maybe they won't die. After nearly a year,
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: he had discovered what he says, Azarniak had failed to explain.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: A twenty twenty two Russian decree essentially allows the military
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: to extend soldiers' contracts automatically until the war ends, meaning
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: as long as this conflict goes on, these men's one
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: year contract can be stretched into years and years. If
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: it goes on for a decade, they could be there
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: for a decade, and we don't know what's going to
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: happen to them when it's over. We don't know that
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: they're going to be hailed as heroes for coming to
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: fight there bye by Russia. They might be just treated
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: as illegal immigrants if they renew the contract. I'm screwed.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Oh god, he says, And the next sentence is just
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: his contact contract was continued, which means that at the
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: end of his year, they kept him, they didn't let
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: him go home. Azarniak's telegram channel has twenty one thousand subscribers.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: Her posts have often told readers wanting to apply to
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: join the Russian military to send her a scan of
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: their passport. Then she has then posted invitation documents, sometimes
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: with a list of names of the men they are for.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: The BBC has identified more than four hundred and ninety
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: such invitations that she has sent over the past year
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: to men from countries including Yemen, Syria, Egypt, Morocco, Iraq,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Ivory Coast, and Nigeria. Her posts have mentioned recruitment for
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: an elite international battalion and made it clear that people
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: in Russia illegally, including those whose visas have expired, are eligible.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: It's I mean, what we're pointing to you here is
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: a vacuum cleaner for men. It's a poor analogy because
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: vacuum cleaners just suck up everything. What we have here
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: is a vacuum cleaner that only works on men. That
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that just leaves women where they are to carry on
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: existing in their own country, complaining about war and being
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: all like, oh, this war is such a tragedy. Let's
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: let's fight against this war by sending more men into
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: the fucking vacuum cleaner. Meanwhile, the same thing as is
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: going on, and it's this is this is difficult to
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: explain because because women are always talking about, oh, you
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: want to take us back into the fifties, you want
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: to take us back one hundreds of years as Meanwhile,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: the fucking war machine that keeps vacuuming up men has
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: not changed. It's basically the same as it was one
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: hundred years ago or a thousand years ago. It's just
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: it's just they're trying to resolve these hod ship political
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: disputes so that these world leaders have over whatever it is, Yeah,
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: and just solving all their difficulties by sucking up men
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and then blowing them back out into the meat grinder,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: and and and and killing them, and and the and
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: the BBC. The BBC is here going oh, yeah, look this,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: this happens because of some ethought that's doing this. No, bitch,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: ethoughts are a problem, but they are a microscopic problem
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: compared to what governments are doing. And there are a
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: problems that's only existed in the last fucking fifteen years
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: or some shit. Yeah, yeah, no, I guess who else
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: has been doing this for fucking centuries. The British government,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: that thing that you've got fucking in your emblem up there,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: the BBC, it's it's it's it's just another arm of
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: the British government, the same fucking British government that's been vacuuming,
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: vacuuming up men and sending them to other countries to
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: die for ages. And it's the same with the other country, Yeah,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: including Russia. The BBC is here going, oh, look what
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: internet personalities are doing in Russia, as if it only
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: happens in Russia and it only happens on the internet.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Motherfucker idea. How many men have been sucked up by
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: this vacuum, not because of the Internet and not because
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: of foreign countries, and as.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: If it only happens in Russia. It makes me makes
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: me remember. Do you remember that that guy that got
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: caught trying to put himself into position to shoot Trump
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: at mar Lago?
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: M m m.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Do you remember what we found out he did as
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: part of the c I A before that, You guys
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: remember what his job was. No, I don't this, but
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: for Ukraine and he's not female. He didn't burn people's passports,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: but he did recruit soldiers mercenaries to go fight in
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Ukraine from foreign nations and may have been part of
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: the recruiting mission that brought in the the uh The
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: I believe it was Afghan terrorists or Iraqi terrorists that
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: did the genocide on Obama's behalf against the crimean Russian
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: nationals that wanted to be annexed into Russia instead of
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: staying as part of Ukraine. So yeah, this isn't this
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: isn't just done in one country or another. This is
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: this is the United States has done this too. The difference,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: it's very, very minor. The thing that gets me about
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: this is like the the disproportionate level that outrage here,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Like the BBC writes this one article and that's it.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: That's all I've seen about this, Right where when when
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: you had a guy using the same tactics or at
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: least accused of because it was pretty well debunked that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Tate was doing what he was accused of doing. But
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: when people thought that he was luring women into Romania
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and then taking away their passports, not even burning them,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: just taking them away to it impress them into pornography service,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: everyone in the world was all outraged, and there was
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: this hue and cry for him to be jailed forever,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: get the death penalty. And there's a whole effort to
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: in the education system to make sure young men don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: listen to him. And he's the boogeyman of the feminist movement.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: And you know, at any time that you talk about
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: father's custody rights or due process in criminal court, or
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: boys disadvantages. Boys are facing an education well, Andrew Tate,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Andrew Tate, they sound like, you know, warped parrots, Like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: that's all they can say. You talk about anything facing men.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Men are committing suicide left and right. Andrew Tate, Andrew Tate, Right.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: But I haven't heard anybody say anything about this. These
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: men are being lured into a foreign country under the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: same pretenses. You're gonna make money that you couldn't make
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: in your home country. You might get citizenship in a
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: country where you have better opportunities, Maybe you can bring
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: your family here. You won't have to do anything horrific,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: and then boom, they're sent to the front lines of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: a war where they're getting killed. Their passports are being
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: taken away from them and burned to keep them from
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: going home. Uh, they're they're being kept on a contract
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: that if they violate it, they're in you know, they're
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: there deserters from the military. And uh, I guarantee you
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: if you bring that up to these feminists that are
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: all on about how uh, the the manisphere hates women
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: and the manisphere is trying to take women back to
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the time of of coverture and and the the false
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: picture of coviture that feminists paint paint. Their only response
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: is going to be right and tain't and that's all
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: you're gonna get. They won't even care that not one
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: of those women has been shot at, much less died.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Nobody's had to step over dead bodies to get their
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: porn studios. And they are actually making the money they
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: were promised. And they, of course, like I said, they
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: came out and said, no, he didn't do that to us.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Whoever told you that was full of shit. Whereas these
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: men are complaining, the ones that are not dead are complaining.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: At least they haven't appeared in a nightclub with Sneaker
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: and Levicular. I didn't. Now that you've mentioned his name,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll go and address that thing that never
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: really singed like news. But I just want to be like,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: who the fuck is this Clavicular guy. He appeared on
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the scene like a month ago, and now all of
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: a sudden he's in a nightclub with Nick Fuentes and
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: Sneako and the tapes, and now everyone's going, look, how
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: fucking cringe this is? And I'm like, yeah it is.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: I'm glad you've pointed out how many of these people
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: are just are just being.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: Sucking because they went someplace that people go to on
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: a regular basis. It's cringe.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: It is, yes, because they were there with Clavicular, who
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: is a massad agent, exactly the opinion on the scene
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: a fucking month ago, bashing himself with a hammer and
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: fucking looks Maxing like that's what everyone to do. And
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't remember the name of that guy
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: whose house we went to in La during Vidcom twenty seventeen.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: But this guy I was working.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: When someone appears on the scene out of nowhere, and
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden he's hanging around with the big shots.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that guy is sus and I.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: With some level of bed or other government king.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: His name was.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Bunty Bunty, Oh my god, I haven't heard the name.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: And exactly he came out of nowhere. Then everyone on
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: our scene was in his house and then suddenly he
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: was the guy. And it's the same thing going on
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: with this Clavicular guy. This looks Maxing hit himself with
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: a hammer. Guy, And now all of a sudden, Nick
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Fuentes and and and Sneako and and and and the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: tapes are hanging around with him in a nightclub and
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: someone's posting all this ship about all this, and I'm
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: like and and and and and this is being posted
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: as if to make them look cool. But everyone, literally
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: everyone across the scene is like, this is cringe. You
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: guys are all dickheads. And how people are going why what?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: How the fuck did this happen shortly after clovicular became
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: a thing. And I'm I'm I'm with a good fellow
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: on this. I'm with a number of other of us
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: on this, like why, how how how is this happening
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: just after this fucking Randol killer came on the scene.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: And I think it's because clivic killer is a fucking
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: most side agent. And I'm just gonna say that, you
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: know what, I.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: Don't at this point all of that. You know, the
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: only reason that I know, the only reason that I
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: made this comparison is because, uh, the the feminist establishment
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: got all up in arms about the practice of allegedly,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: you know, unproven by the way, practice of allegedly using
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: uh confiscation of passports to prevent someone from escaping from
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: what is essentially a form of slavery being forced you know,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: into some type of labor, right. They got all up
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: in arms about that when it wasn't proved, and in fact,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the alleged victims were saying it wasn't happening. But I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: haven't heard a peep out of any of those people.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: When it's proved it's actually being done. There's video showing it.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: The victims are complaining when they're not getting killed, and
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: what they're being forced into isn't something that they could
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: go to a therapist and recover from because they're getting killed,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: and there is no therapy that helps you to overcome death,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: like your own death after it's happened. There's not some therapists,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: like maybe in the afterlife, there's an afterlife therapist that goes, Okay,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: now you're in the afterlife, let's make peace with that,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: but certainly not here. You don't get to go back
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: to your family and pick up where you left off,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: or at least try to. You don't get to do
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: some talk show circuit and tell everybody how awful it
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: was for you. You know, you don't get any of
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: that because you're dead. And I haven't heard a peep,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: not one peep, not one feminist, not one mainstream establishment
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: media outlet going gosh, this is ten thousand times worse
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: than what Andrew Tate was accused of. This is this unbelievable.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: This woman is the devil. She's the worst person on earth.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Look what she's doing to these young men. Nobody, not one.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Person, they won't of all people, the BBC is doing it,
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: but it's probably not.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: But they're not even their complaint isn't even that big,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Like they're they're highlighting it, but they're not calling for
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: the education system to make changes to the way little
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: boys are taught so they don't fall for this shit,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: are they indeed right? So obviously it's apparently a much
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: bigger deal in the world if you convince boys that
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: women can be gullible and that there's nothing wrong with
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: taking advantage of that gullibility than it is to get
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: them killed. That's like, this is why this pissed me
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: off so much when I read it. I'm just you know,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: this is why I brought up Andrew Tate. Now, as
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: far as this pinicular guy, sorry for the for the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: people who are not did not grow up in the
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: United States, there's I can't think I can't hear this
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: guy's name without thinking of that name. I don't remember
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: what you said. His real name is Mike. But the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: book series when I was growing like curricular, Yeah, like no,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: like clavical, Like you're like clavial. Okay, okay, Well, so
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: there's a book series when that I read when I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: was growing up about a vampire rabbit that sucked the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: juice out of vegetables. That it was just ridiculous and
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: funny and it was for kids. But yeah, that the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: fact that his name ends in Iqula, just like every
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: time Mike says his name might get this mental image
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: of Panicula the rabbit. I just couldn't help it. But yeah,
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: none of that, none of that really matters to me.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Like I don't care who those guys hang around with.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: I don't care what they're doing, as long as.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: They're not getting men killed in the right.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: What right? Like if they and and I'm gonna be blunt.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Women don't need some dipshit in Romania to convince them
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: to get naked in front of a camera. Hundreds of
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: girls are doing it for six dollars a month on
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: only fans or for free, so like just yeah, now
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: that the comparison the point of the comparison was that
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: it was so demonized when the alleged victims were women
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: whose victim experience wasn't even anywhere near the level of
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: what a four soldier goes through. And yet the more
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I read about this is this is just nobody is
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: stepping up to say anything about this. And then the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: establishment media, as outraged as they are over women in porn,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: they have no concern or consideration at all for men
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: in trenches. Oh, her posts have mentioned recruitment. I already
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: read that part. We have spoken to eight foreign fighters,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: including Omar, who were recruited by her, as well as
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: the families of the twelve men who are missing or dead.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Many felt Azarniak had misled or exploited recruits. You think
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: they told us the men knew they were joining the military,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: but did not expect to serve on the front lines. Several,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: like Omar, felt they had inadequate training or thought they
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: would be able to leave after a year. And I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: want to remind you, yeah, they knew after talking to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: her that they were joining the military. But these are
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: men who were lured into the country on false pretenses
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: of a non military job that was yanked out from
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: under them, and the only reason they even considered joining
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: the military was out of desperation because of that circumstance.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: And this story doesn't present any evidence that that scam
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: hmhm is it any way unique and separate from her scam.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: They just don't provide any evidence that they're not in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: or that they are in cahoots. So you don't know.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: It could be that that was the setup and then
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: this was the the hit, right, this was the scam.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: It's very possible that these men were lured there by
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: one branch of a scam and then pounced on by
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: the other branch of it. We have no way of knowing.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, ty Preston five five five points out.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Do you really think that they even cared about the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: traffic women? No, no, I don't. I don't care that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: they cared if those women were trafficked, which again it's
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: pretty well been proved that they were not trafficked, But
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: even if they had been, I don't think that that
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: that was what they cared about. They cared about using
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: the Andrew Tait story to control young men. They had
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: a thing, right, they want that anti misogyny training in
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the schools, so that they can use allegations of misogyny
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: and fear of being accused of misogyny as a thought
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: terminating cliche to control young men. That's that's the only
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: reason that the government even cares at all about the
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: concept of misogyny, which by the way, doesn't exist in
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: the real world or any other women's issue. They don't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: care about it because they care about women. They care
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: about it because they can use it to control men.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: Women are not even getting raped, and even if they were,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I think men getting killed is worse than women getting raped.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: But again, these women aren't even getting raped. They're fucking
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: ethos themselves to the highest common denominator.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: They're getting rich.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Men are getting killed. Hello, is this all?
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Men are getting killed on the way there. They're getting
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: tortured and killed, emotionally tortured and killed. Imagine, this is
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: the last year of your life. What what is happening
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: to these men? Is the last year of your life?
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: If you knew the day before that year started, what
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: would you do if you couldn't avoid it? Right, someone
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: comes along and says, this is the trajectory of the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: last year of your life. You're going to go here
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: and you're going to be in fear for the last
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: the whole last year of your life, and you're gonna
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: get shot or exploded or poisoned or whatever. You're gonna die. Uh,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: And it's going to be miserable and painful and cold
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: and terrifying the whole time, for the whole next year,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: and then you're gonna die. What would you do right
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: where if someone came along and said, you're gonna make
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: a couple of million dollars, but you gotta get naked
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: in front of all all the whole world for it,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: anybody that wants to see. I don't I don't think
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: that I'd have the same reaction to the latter as
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the former.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: And that's just a normal woman, like like Hannah, who, yes,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I can assure you is a woman, Hello Twitter, a woman. Woman.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: But it has been zero days.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: Let's let's let's consider the I mean literally millions of
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: women who who who are like, oh, hell, yes, I
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: will absolutely sell my body. I will let alone sell
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: pictures of my body, which is what the vast majority
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: of these women are doing. They're just selling pictures of
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: their body. And yeah, they'll be out of a job
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: soon because of AI, but for now, all they're doing
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: is selling pictures of their body. And yes, yes, there
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: are millions of women who will do that. They will
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: even relinquish their passports so that they can do this
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: because they make money doing this. We happen to live
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: in an economy where that's that's the most lucrative way
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: for women to make money, by just selling pictures of
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: their bodies. And yeah, as much as I distrust AI
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: in many ways, one reason I like it is is
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: that it's gonna put these fucking ethoughts out of a job.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: That will be the first sector of in industry that
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: is put out of a job.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: But they're not the only ones. They're not the only
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: ones going to be put out of a job. I
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep the other night because I'm usually awake
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: at night, you know, I work nights. And uh so
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: I started screwing around with There's this AI music thing
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: called Suno. It's like like Sumo, like the Wrestler, except
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: with in is it Nancy instead and Mary? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: And uh like I've screwed around with it before. I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: have made a few things for fun with it, and
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I actually had something come out of there that I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: might use for something, but this. I put in the
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: term elevator and the term music, and I was gonna
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: write a description, and you're just curious, what will it
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: produce if I put in something just completely bizarre like this,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: And uh, I hit ter without thinking about it, and
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: I had the I had my my thumb came down
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: on the keypad, the touch pad on my laptop. Well,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: the cursor was over the button to and you know,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: I was gonna do a next line. But it made
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: two songs, and one of them sounds like almost everything
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: on on the radio on pop radio today. And it
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: took me ten or fifteen minutes to throw a bunch
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: of images in with it and create what, you know,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: looks pretty much the same to me as the types
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: of videos that you would see on MTV back in
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: the day when they were still featuring music most of
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: the time. I don't know what they have on now
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: because I don't watch MTV anymore, but I think a
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: lot of the shit pop that is really really popular
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: these days, that you know, the stuff they play ten
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: times a day on the radio and all that that's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be destroyed by AI because it's already somebody pointed
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: out I posted it to X to see you know
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: what other people thought, like this is this is actually
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: pretty normal sounding. One guy said, well, yeah, a lot
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: of pop rip music is already pretty algorithmic. Did it
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: shut down your local mt? MTD mower says, MTV shut down?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: Is it? Is it gone? Like? That doesn't surprise me.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: It was good when when there was there was music
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: like Headbanger's Ball was great, Downtown Julie Brown was great,
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: great back when there was decent music and stuff. But
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not surprised it went woke and then
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: it went broke, I guess, But but yeah, a lot
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: of what these artists produce in terms of music videos,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: when they're not putting like the whole video is some weird,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: demonic shit. It is usually a couple fighting and a
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: bunch of video segments of a woman looking upset and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: falling down and being sad, and maybe some some scene
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: of her dancing. And so I just put a bunch
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: of that stuff in together and almost randomly, really and
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: it looked to me like any other music video. It
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: didn't look any worse. So I think that's gonna die
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: that that profession is in deep do Doo it's gonna
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: be one of the first things to go before.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: You know what AI music generates like, So you know,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to do copyrighted material. So if you
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: want the medley of Elton Johnes songs or a medley
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: of David Bowie songs, I'm afraid AI is not going
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: to be able to do it for you. You need
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: to come to me, doctor fucking Random mccam, because that's
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: the only place you can get that kind of ship.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be out a job for a
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: long fucking time. Also, AI doesn't understand sarcasm. It does
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: that it's not going to be able to generate sarcastic,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: satirical lyrics to those parody songs of copyrighted material. So yeah,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: you gotta come to me if you if you want
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: that kind of ship. That's good to know.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, but yeah, so yeah, one of the things
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: today I won't do is it won't take over telling
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: people the truth about what's going on in the world either.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: So this maybe become may become one of the few
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: things that doesn't go away because of AI as well,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: because it's more likely to be used by government to
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: lie to you. So yeah, many felt that she had
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: misled her exploited the recruits. Ye think several, like Omar,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: felt they had inadequate training or thought they would be
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: able to leave after a year. Here's another of her
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: videos in October twenty twenty four.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: Told the people who say that I'm throwing people to death,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: thank you for the advertising. You all understood well that
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: you were going to war. So why are you complaining.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: You thought you could get through.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: So let's go back again, because what she said was
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: to all the people that say I Am throwing people
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: to death, thank you for the advertising. You all understood
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: that you were going to war to death.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Thank you for the advertising. You all understood well that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: you were going to warm.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: You all understood well that you were going to war.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: So remember she promised them they wouldn't go to the
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: frontlining or front lines, and they're being sent to the
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: front lines. She promised them they would receive training, and
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: they did not receive training. So she says, you knew
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: well that you were going to war, so what are
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: you complaining about.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 3: You thought you could get a Russian passport and do nothing.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: And you thought that you could get a Russian passport
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: do nothing. Wow, going into a war zone is dangerous,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: even if you're not on the front lines, even if
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: you were just gonna guard an oil plant or an
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: oil refinery. Guess what some of the targets were for
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: bombing by Ukrainian forces in Russia.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: Take take a wild little guess the Americans for well, no.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: The Russian oil refineries. If you want your tanks to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: have fuel to use to get further into the country
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: you're attacking, you need to be able to refine oil.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: So if the oil refineries get bombed, then you can't
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: use the ones that are nearby. You have to use
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: the ones that are on the other side of the
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: country where the bombs aren't reaching, in order to fuel
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: your your tanks in order to get fuel to your tanks.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: So the refineries, the pipelines, you know, the tanker trucks,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: anything that transports fuel to allow the tanks to enter
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: and do damage in the Ukraine area of the Ukraine Front,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: that's a target. So if these guys were going to
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: be guarding these refineries, they would still be targeted. They
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: just wouldn't be the ones holding guns on the front lines,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: riding in the tanks and so on. But uh, but yeah,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: oh you knew nothing. Like you you were gonna do nothing.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: When when she did tell them they were gonna have
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: military training and go to war.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: Lie in a five style hotel, This does not happen, guys,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: nothing happened.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: So now she is, she's talking to them as if
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: they were not made promises that were not kept, and
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: that they expected to stay at in a five star
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: hotel and do nothing the whole time like you know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: well I didn't. Yeah, I didn't give you what I
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: promised you, but your expectations were ridiculous. And to bring
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: the point home, I'm going to make up a set
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: of expectations that you never expressed. Yeah, I just.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: I'm of two minds about this. I hate the fact
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: that men are just throwing their lives away based on,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: This just ridiculous.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: Premise that you know they're going to do something good.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: I'm also of the same mind that you know, if
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: if you're stupid enough to fall for this, I don't
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: know how much sympathy I can have. You know, I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 4: do have sympathy.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: I don't want to see these young men going and
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: giving away their lives. But if this is the reason
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: that you're doing it and you think that this is justified.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, okay, but well then you f a f
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: O you fucking get you win the stupid prize.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: I don't. I just I'm not. If they were if
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: they were raised in an environment where they had a
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: lot of other options and they chose this instead, I'd agree.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: But there's gonna kill the stupid men, but it's not
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: gonna kill the stupid women. And that's gonna be a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: bunch of stupid women left behind, and that's still going
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: to affect.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be raising the children. Yes, But the thing is,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: these men aren't, you know, just some guy off the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: street like it. You know, your neighbors are probably not
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: gonna fall for this. The guys that live next door
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: to you in your apartment complex are probably not gonna
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: fall for this because they're not in a situation where
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: they can't go do something else and do just as
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: well financially as these guys were promised, right, they would
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: have every opportunity to earn that much money from just
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: a regular job here in the United States. You go
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: to a country like Syria that is already war torn,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: where there is already violence, they're living in poverty, and
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: they're living in very difficult conditions. Besides that, that great
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: danger and so on, in addition to not having the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: financial advantages that they should be having. It's a whole
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: different story. People like to conflate being desperate with being dumb.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: The men that are falling for this are often men
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: who don't have much to lose. They're gonna see their
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: families die, They're gonna starve to death, just like you
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: remember that episode that South Park made about Somalian pirates
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: where the South Park kids were like all idolizing pirates,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: you know, thinking of pirates of the Caribbean, and they
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: were they were trying to play pirate and they went
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: to Somalia and one of the first things that they
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: run into as a pirate who went into piracy because
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: he needed money because his sister is dying of AIDS.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: Like totally different from what they expect, expectations they had
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: were and everything. Like that's the difference between you know,
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: people who fall for like the Nigerian scams, email scams.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: Send me your bank account and I will info and
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I will send you all this money that I have
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: no other way of getting out of the country and
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: then you can keep some of it and I will
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: I will come for the rest, you know, or whatever.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: The scams are like, they're not you know, senile little
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: ladies in the First world countries whose kids aren't watching
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: out for him enough, or who you know, had a
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: lifetime of should know better and are are now senile
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: and fallen for shit like that. These are guys that
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: in their home countries there's not enough food for their family,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: and they maybe are getting shot at already anyway, maybe
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: they've been in the military already, maybe they've had you know,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: some someone in their family has died from horrible disease,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: and you know, they're they're desperate for money, They're desperate
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: for anything to improve their situation. So yeah, and a
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: lot of them are low I Q. Right. In some
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: of the places that this is that we're mentioned on
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: the list, there's a lot of inbreeding. So there's also
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: quite a bit of intellectual disability, right, And so I
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: don't I don't. I don't view this the same as
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I view like, you know, some ordinary person coming in
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: and being like, I've gotta I gotta buy a green
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Dot card to send uh to pay the taxes on
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: the Mercedes that I just won from this this Nigerian prince. Uh.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: It's it's not the same. It's really not the same.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter whose fault the conditions they're facing
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: are at that point, Like, obviously it matters if you're
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: trying to solve the problem, and it matters if you're
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: looking for someone to punish for the problem. But when
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: it comes to what they're going to try to do
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: to get out of that situation, they don't care if
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: it's the fall to their own government, their own people,
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: their neighbors, whatever. They just care about getting enough money
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: to feed their family. So it's it's a whole different
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: ballgame there.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: But I mean, maybe maybe Africa could solve this problem
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: because it's so huge and it has every possible biome
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: on the planet, with the exception of tundra. Like they
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: have jungles in the Congo, they have deserts in the
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: northern area, they have everything in between. Like if they
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: could come together in some kind of federal government, like
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: what the USA did, I mean the USA? Yeah, the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: USA has like low IQ populations all over the place,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: but they're they're able to to sort of homogenize this
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: because because largely ethnically homogeneous in the first place, and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: largely culturally homogeneous in the first place. This is the
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: difference between America and Europe. America was was was built philosophically,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: whereas Europe was built ethnically. Like Europe has this whole
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: bunch of different countries that have been separating themselves for
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: thousands of years, whereas America it's essentially it's as close
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: as you can get to one cultural homogeneity. And and
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: and so when there's a natural disaster in the Appalachians
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: or a natural disaster in Louisiana, you all can come
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: together and solve that problem because you have a federal
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: conglomeration of people who can come together and give to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: those who need it at the expense of those who
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily need it at the time.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: You know, actually, most of what gets done in the
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: United States under those circumstances, I hate to say it,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: I don't really hate to say it, because it's and
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: I told you so, especially in the last ten years,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: has been not done by the federal government. Like the
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: federal government hasn't really even FEMA hasn't really been like
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: the go getter in terms of helping the public after
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: national natural disasters that say, the Cajun Navy, which is
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: not a government organization, did There's a bunch of men
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: with boats that went in and rescued people literally, just
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: civilians with boats, right. And you know, if you want
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: something more organized, you have the Red Cross and the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Salvation Army going in and of the two, the Salvation Army,
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: which is uh, I would say, slightly more church run
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: than the Red Cross is. They end up being relied
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: upon quite a bit more than any government organization. And
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: you know, depending on the circumstance, you have one of
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: one or the other of them dominating the effort at
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: rescue and recovery, even in circumstances where the disaster isn't
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: that big, Like there was a fire in the building
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: behind mine in my apartment complex, and two apartments were
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: completely destroyed. The fire burned the inside didn't really burn
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: as much of the outside of the building, but the
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: people in those apartments lost everything like there there wasn't
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: it was all ash. It was all destroyed, and they
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: didn't have any place to go. And uh, you know,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I went over. The one guy his friends had already
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: come to pick him up, but the other lady. I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: asked if she needed a place to stay until, you know,
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: she found a place, and the Red Cross had already
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: found her a place. Like the fire wasn't out yet
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: and the Red Cross had already found her a place.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: So it's really not so much the federal government that
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: that saves. It's it's a completely different thing. People talk
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: about the American melting pot in a way that I
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: think is wrong. We're more like, you know, like your
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: kitchen has that drawer where if you find something and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: you know that sometimes you really need it so you
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: don't want to throw it out, but right now is
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: not one of those times. So you need to put
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: it away because you got to have it somewhere that
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: it's not in the way of the things you need
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: right now, and you stick it in a drawer. And
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: that drawer is full of that kind of stuff, And
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: anytime you need something and you can't find it, you
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: go look in that drawer because inevitably, if it's smaller
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: than that drawer, it's probably in that drawer. It's the
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: magic drawer that holds all things you need until you
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: need them, and we call it a junk drawer. But
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: none of the things in it are junk. They're all
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: actually very important things. But the reason they're important isn't
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: happening right now. That's America and whenever whenever something goes wrong,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: whenever something bad happens, whenever there's something to fix or
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: something to clean up, or people in need, and that
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: there are things that they had they don't have anymore,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: or things they didn't need before that they need now.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: We go into the American junk drawer of skills and
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: knowledge and possessions, property, extra things people have, extra money,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: people might have that they just put away until it
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: was needed. And we find what we need in the
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: people of the country. And it's almost always civilians, right,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: and it's our even our military is made up of
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: civilians who volunteer to essentially be in training and on
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: hold for those times. So hey, you can think of
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: America as the world's junk drawer that is full of
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: things that you think of as junk in the moment,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: but when you need it, it's a treasure. I guess
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: that's that's a weird analogy, but it's not. Because we
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: have a centralized federal government, we organize. What we have
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: in the United States is a spirit of Uh, if
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: shit needs done and you have the capability and the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: knowledge and then and the resources to contribute to getting
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: it done, then you do it, and you pick up
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: a shove, you get up and go and help. I
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: don't think you can translate that into federal government, and
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think you can import export that to other countries.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: People they are willing to do the same.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: It could have been done with Africa.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Africa can do that like.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: We did it, like we did it with the with America. Alas,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: Africa is populated by people who keep saying get the
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: fuck out. Must like Minneapolis is populated by people and
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: whenever you try and help them, they go, get the
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: fuck out, get the fuck out.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: We tried. Those of us in Europe. I say, those
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: of us we didn't do shit. But I mean people
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: in history, your ancestors did did try to to help
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Africa in the way we helped America, because you know,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: America was full of natives who who sort of moved
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: on to the sidelines and went, Okay, I guess I
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: guess you can do better with the land than we did.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: Well, they didn't just move to the sidelines. They married
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: our ancestors and had children with them.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: Well, indeed, and the same thing could have been done
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: with Africa. But because we've been so afraid of being
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: called racist, the natives have gone, no, no good, the
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: fuck up you are gear, you are gey yep, and
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: and then and and so they're like, no, get out,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: we can run this country by ourselves. And then we
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: and then we got the fuck out and let them
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: deal with these countries by themselves. And it's not going
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: quite so well.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: And now they have pirates. Two sisters are dying of
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: aids indeed. But yeah, to go on with this, Richard
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Bierre gave us five dollars and said, some time ago
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: there used to be reports out of either the UAE
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: or Qatar where construction workers were recruited for projects and
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: upon arrival they would have their passports confiscated and found
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: themselves working for a less than promised wage. The wages
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: were practically a pittance. This is a common scam, by
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: the way, trafficking that takes place here in the US,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: where people end up being a live in made against
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: their will or a live in worker like rufer against
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: their will in an apartment complex or things like that,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: doing construction work, any kind of slavery that is imposed,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: and it's the easiest way to enslave someone is to
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: pay them less than they need to live on, and
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: charge them more than they could pay you, and remind
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: them that they owe you a debt and they can't
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: leave until they pay it off. Make it impossible for
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: them to do that. It's a combination of usury and
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: scam artistry, which usury is also scam artistry, and that
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: gets done all the time here, and when there's a bust,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: somebody gets released, somebody gets rescued. From that situation. You
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: always find out that the person who recruited them promised
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: them something like that where they'd be earning more money,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: they'd have money they could send home, they'd be getting
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: American citizenship and all men or of other things. And
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: then they found themselves locked in a room in some
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: rich person's home doing work as a maid, cleaning house
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: and taking care of the children, and not allowed to leave,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: and having their passport, you know, confiscated, all their paperwork confiscated,
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: getting told they would go to jail here in the
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: US if they were caught by immigrant so they wouldn't
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: go and tell anybody what was happening to them, and
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: try to get away from their captors. And it's the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: people who do that are the same people who make
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: out like they are all for, you know, illegal immigration,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: because they care so much about the immigrants and these
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: people just want to have better lives and this is
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: a way for them to have better lives, when in
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: reality it just facilitates the ability of these wealthy oligarchs
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: to keep slaves in their home, to work against their
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: will until they die, and then they're easy to get
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: rid of because they're here illegally. Nobody knows where they've
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: been living, nobody knows who they're with, and nobody knows
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: who did that to them. So what these soldiers are
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: going through is not an unusual scam. It's a widespread
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: and unfortunately, highly highly successful one. It's just that in
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: this instance, instead of cleaning people's toilets, they're going to
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: war uh in Egypt, Joseph, whose name we have also changed,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: told the BBC, so they gave him a fake name,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: but they picked one that if your main language is
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: if your first language or only language is English, you
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: have might might might have a slight difficulty knowing if
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: you're pronouncing it correctly or not, of course, told the BBC.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: His older brother, Mohammad began a university course in Yekaterinburg
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: in Russia in twenty twenty two, but he struggled to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: pay his fees, Yoseph says, and he told his family
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: a Russian woman named Paulina had begun offering him help
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: on line, including work with a Russian military that he
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: believed would allow him to continue his studies. So this
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 1: is actually again you know, this guy is actually going
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 1: to university in Russia already, So he was there for
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: a legitimate purpose, probably was not there illegally. He was
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: probably there on some kind of special dispensation, a visa
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: for obtaining an education at a university there, attending university there,
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: which we do here in the US. Two actually went
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: to school with a young lady from Russia who was
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: here on that type of visa to study at my
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: university when I was in school. That would have been
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: in the nineties early nineties. But in any case, he
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: struggled to pay his we ease, told his family a
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Russian woman named Paulina had begun offering him help online,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: including work with the Russian military that he believed would
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: allow him to continue his studies. Every general gen xer
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: that knows what happened to the guys that enlisted in
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: the military in the eighties and nineties, early the late
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: eighties early nineties to get their schooling paid for. Yeah,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: they all ended up going to Iraq or Afghanistan. Same things.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: Y means Jesus for what it's worth, you would think
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: it would mean, Joseph, Oh, sorry, yes, you means Jesus.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, youa means that makes sense. See promised him
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: housing and citizenship monthly expenses. Suddenly he was sent to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Ukraine found himself fighting. His last call was on January
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, Yoseph says. About a year later,
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: Yoseph says, a message arrived on telegram from a Russian
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: number containing images of Muhammad's body. The family eventually learned
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: he had been killed almost a year earlier, so it
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: took them a year to even notify his family that
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: he was gone. Azarnyik became one of the most important
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: recruiters for Russia's army, says Habib, another Syrian who has
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: served in Russia's military. He was willing to be filmed,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: but spoke under a pseudonym for fear of repercussions. Habib
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: says he and Azarnik worked together for around three years
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: visa invitations to Russia. He gave no further details and
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: we've not been able to confirm his role in the process.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: An image from social media in twenty twenty four shows
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: him alongside her Azarnyik, who is from Russia's southwestern Voronez.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: I hope I'm pronouncing that probably Voronez or something like
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: that region. Ran a Facebook group helping Arab students come
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 1: to Moscow to study before starting her telegram channel in
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. I'm going to I have the super
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Chows open on a web page instead of in my discord,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: because I've got our our chat open in the discord
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: and I keep hearing messages. I'm in a lot of discords,
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: so hopefully those noises aren't going out over the show.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: But I just muted it so that should stop. Habib
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: told the BBC Paulina would take them in knowing that
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: they were going to die, so she knew full well
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: what she was doing. She knew she was recruiting men
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: to go and fight and die on the Russian front lines.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: She knew she was lying to them. She knew they
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: were not going to get the rewards that she was promising,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: and she knew that they wouldn't have signed up for
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: what was going to happen to them if she had
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: told them, this is what you're signing up for. Habib says.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: Most foreign recruits arrived expecting roles securing facilities or standing
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: at checkpoints. The Arabs who are coming are dying immediately.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: People lost their minds. It's hard to see dead bodies,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: he says. Habib says he met Omar and the group
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: of Syrians at a military training site. She had promised
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: them citizenship, good salaries, and that they'd be safe, Habib says,
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: but once you sign a contract here, there's no way
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: to leave.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that sound like slavery. None of them knew how
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: to use a weapon. Even if they were shot at,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: they would choose not to shoot back. If you don't shoot,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: you will be killed, he says. Poulino would take them
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: in knowing that they were going to die, she says.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: He says, she received three hundred dollars or two hundred
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: and twenty three pounds from the army for every person
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: she recruited, so essentially she was selling men to their
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: deaths for three hundred dollars ahead. The BBC could not
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: confirm this, although other recruits also told us they believed
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: she received payment. Azarnyak's posts from mid twenty twenty four
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: began to note that recruits will be participating in the
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: hostilities and mentioned foreign fighters who have died in combat.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: You all understood that you were going to war, she says.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: In one video in October twenty twenty four. You thought
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: that you could get a Russian passport, do nothing and
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: live in a five star hotel. Nothing happens for free.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: We showed that in that video. In another case in
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, the BBC has heard a voice message
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: sent by Azarignak to a mother whose son was serving
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: in the military. Azargnak says the woman has published something
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: horrible about the Russian Army, using expletives, she threatens the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: sun's life and warns the woman, I'll find you and
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: all your children. Imagine if your son's in a foreign
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: country and he's had something done to him. He's been
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: taking advantage of him by the military of that country,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: by the government of that country. They've done something awful
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: to him, and you're afraid that he's not going to
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: come back alive. And when you complain about it, when
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: you show that you're upset that that's being done to
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: your family, someone calls you up and threatens not only
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: his life, but to find your other kids and go
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: after them too.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: This is something to be said for the nothing ever
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: happens crowd, which is quite into a crowd of people
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: who will say, yeah, no, nothing ever happens, nothing ever happens,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: And to a degree, you're right. The truth is, nothing
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: ever happens. For free. Stuff happens all the time, and
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: it costs you a little bit at first, and then
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: a little bit more at second, and then even more
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: at third, and it feels like nothing is happening, but
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: stuff is happening over and over again, and it costs
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: you a little bit more every time. That's the Overton
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: window for you. It proceeds one small step at a time,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: and before you know it, it's costing you billions, where
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 2: once upon a time it merely costs you pennies. Yeah,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: here we.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: Are, yep, and that's where we are. The BBC made
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: multiple attempts to contact as I know. Initially, she said
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: she would do an interview with us if we traveled
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: to Russia. You couldn't pay me enough to travel to
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: Russia knowing what's going on there, but the BBC declined
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: for safety reasons. Later, when asked in a voice all
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: about the claims that recruits were promised on combat roles,
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: she hung up. In voice notes sent afterwards, she said
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: our work was not professional and warned of potential defamation proceedings.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: She also said our respected Arabs can stick their accusations
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: up their urses. So she's mad because people are talking
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: about what she did. That's the upshot of this. She's
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: mad because her practice is being exposed. The BBC contacted
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of Defense
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: for comment, but received no response. Now, if this was
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: not happening, and they could prove this was not happening,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: this woman wasn't doing what she was being accused of
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: doing the first thing they would want to do because
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: they don't want the bad pr all over the world.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: They don't want the people of foreign countries to be
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: okay with their governments fighting against Russia. In this war.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: They would put that proof out there. This is bullshit,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: This isn't even happening. This is all made up. Here's
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: the evidence, right, and that's what they would do. They didn't.
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  Speaker 1: They gave no comments, no response, no nothing, nobody answered
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  Speaker 1: the BBC. That should tell you that at least something
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: going on here. Although a lot of what's being reported here,
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  Speaker 1: you know, there's biases behind the why of it, the
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  Speaker 1: what of it is at least factual. This is happening. Previously,
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  Speaker 1: in March twenty twenty two, President Pewton backed the recruitment
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  Speaker 1: of men from the Middle East, insisting they were ideologically
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  Speaker 1: not financially driven. There are people who want to come voluntarily,
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  Speaker 1: especially not for money, and provide assistance to people. Ah yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: those nice, friendly, charitable with their lives. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: Arab men who just want to fight and die in
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  Speaker 1: foreign wars out of the goodness of their hearts. I've
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  Speaker 1: met thousands of them. Right. Are there men anywhere in
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 1: the world who really think that way? Are are there
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  Speaker 1: men anywhere in the world who are so dumb that
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  Speaker 1: they just want to go fight and die in foreign
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  Speaker 1: wars for no benefit to themselves whatsoever? Because they think
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  Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that that's very common. Even if it was common in history,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm not sure it ever was, it doesn't seem
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  Speaker 1: to me like it's a common thing now. Journalists and
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  Speaker 1: researchers follow following the issues say individuals like Azarniak are
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  Speaker 1: part of a web of informal recruiters. The BBC has
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  Speaker 1: found two other telegram accounts in Arabic making similar offers
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  Speaker 1: for joining Russia's military. One includes posts showing invitation documents
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  Speaker 1: and lists of names. The other has advertised large sign
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  Speaker 1: up payments for joining end Quote Elite Battalion. In September,
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  Speaker 1: Kenyan police said they had broken up suspected trafficking syndicate
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: that they said was luring Kenyons with job offers but
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: sending them to fight in Ukraine. Job offers meaning oh,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be going to do construction of homes
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: in this area, but then when you get there, they
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  Speaker 1: send you off to war instead. Katerniak Katerina Stepenko, a
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  Speaker 1: research fellow at the Institute for This Study of War,
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  Speaker 1: told the BBC some municipal and regional authorities in Russia
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  Speaker 1: have been offering cash incentives of up to four thousand
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  Speaker 1: dollars or to twenty nine one hundred and seventy pounds
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  Speaker 1: to individuals such as HR professionals and local residents who
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  Speaker 1: recruit Russians or foreigners into military service. Those HR professionals
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: that have that feminist training, she says. The Krimlin initially
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  Speaker 1: used larger entities such as the Wagner private military group
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  Speaker 1: and prison system for recruitment, but since twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: has also been leveraging locals and smaller companies. This suggests
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  Speaker 1: to me that those earlier versions of recruitment are no
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  Speaker 1: longer generating the same number of recruits, she adds. Meanwhile,
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: Habib is now back in Syria after he says, having
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  Speaker 1: bribed several commanders to terminate his contract. Omar eventually received
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  Speaker 1: Russian citizenship and has also managed to return to Syria.
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  Speaker 1: Two the Syrians he served with are dead, according to
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: their families. As Arniak sees us as numbers or money,
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  Speaker 1: she doesn't see us as people. He says, we won't
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  Speaker 1: forgive her for what she did to us. That's the
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  Speaker 1: end of the story, and it is nine o'clock, So
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  Speaker 1: I guess the thing that I will say about this
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  Speaker 1: is our last line is the biggest deal, not the
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  Speaker 1: part about forgiveness, but about she doesn't see us as people.
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  Speaker 1: That is the biggest problem. They're able to do this
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  Speaker 1: to men because the people involved don't see them as people.
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  Speaker 1: They see them as numbers, they see them as cannon fodder,
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: they see them as trigger fingers, they see them as
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: boots on the ground, but they don't see them as people.
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  Speaker 1: And this type of event, this type of warmongering, where
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: there's no wind condition, only a lose condition, and a
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: bigger lose condition. That's going to continue, and this kind
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: of scam artistry is going to be included in it forever,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: until we start seeing men as people, until we start
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: getting at least at least as outraged and as motivating
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: it to do something about it. When men are getting
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 1: scammed into going to the front lines of a war
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 1: zone and fighting and dying for a cause that isn't
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 1: even theirs, as we are, as the public is, as
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 1: the law enforcement is, as the education system is, as
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: the mainstream media is. When they're told that some guy
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: might be maybe possibly tricking some women into making porn,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: that they were already going to make, but with him
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: getting a cut.
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  Speaker 2: And do consider what the geopolitical situation would be like
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: if we did indeed enact the feminist dream of women
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: being in charge of every country. We covered this in
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: the first story on Tuesday, and Alison and Brian covered
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 2: it yesterday. This idea that women are and to broaden out,
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: women are broadly ah more vengeance when it comes to
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: their own allies than men are when it comes to
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: their own opponents. And if we ever did have a
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: situation in which women are in charge of various countries,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: just think what people like yah, I mean, I give
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: what men do to other men, despite the lackluster empathy
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 2: they have for other men, women have even less empathy
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: for other men. The things women will do to men
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: is barely describable. If we even have a concept of evil,
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: it has not even been encountered in history. I mean,
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: in some cases maybe it barely has scratched the surface.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: But if we let feminists do what they want, and
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: we let feminists put women in charge of every country,
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: but they're still able to send men to their deaths
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: in the same way that men have been able to
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: send men to their deaths. Like is anyone still laboring
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: under any delusion that that will be even worse if
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: women can send men to their deaths without ever sending
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 2: women to their deaths in the same way. Like, regardless
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: of what weapons of war we have to use, whether
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: it's nuclear weapons or just fucking spares, women will send
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: men to do all manner of things, even if it's
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: under what we call a patriarchy, even if it's under
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: any of these fucking societies that feminists like to call patriarchies.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: At least these wars will be sent to happen with
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: certain rules. So we've got the Geneva Convention because men
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: are in charge of these rules that wars are supposed
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: to have. But if we leave women in charge, I mean,
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: what we've covered tonight in this story is an example
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: of what could happen even if just some ethot Is
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: is given charge of a small battalion of men. Imagine
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: if a woman was in charge of an entire army
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: of men. Imagine if every country was under the charge
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 2: of women. I would give it. I'm thinking fifteen years
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: before everyone was dead, and I mean I say this
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: as a hypothesis, but yeah, we might be about to
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: see this hypothesis translated into a reality. I mean, arguably
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: we're kind of one hundred years into it, aren't we.
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  Speaker 1: To a degree. Yeah, because you don't need a female
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 1: leader to have the consequences of women being in charge.
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  Speaker 1: All you need is female voters. All you need is
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: a female voting block that is more unified than the
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: male voting block. And that's what we've had for the
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: last well for longer than gen X has existed in
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 1: the United States. From the time of our parents. Yeah,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 1: from the time of our parents, the female voting block
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: has been more unified than the male voting block. And
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 1: before women could vote, you still had politicians that had
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 1: to appeal to women in order to get into office
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: and stay in office. Woodrow Wilson was considered the women's president, right,
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 1: not because women could vote for him, but because he
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 1: won the votes of the husbands by appealing to their wives.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 1: And that's a reality that's existed for a long time
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: before we had the secret ballot. And we talked about
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: and in one of the old HBr talk episodes the
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: last couple of years, how suffrage evolved. And there was
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: a time when, yes, you had to be a property
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: owner and a taxpayer to vote, which meant that primarily
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: only men could vote, but not entirely only men. There
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: were women voters in the UK during that time. But
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 1: the other thing was you didn't vote in secret. There
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: was no secret ballot. You went up on display on
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: a platform in front of other people and you held
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: up a colored card that showed what you were voting,
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: what your vote was, so everybody, all of your neighbors
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: knew how you voted, and whether they agreed or disagreed
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: with your vote would become a subject of contention between
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: you and your neighbors. And if you were a married
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 1: man and you had that access and your wife didn't,
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: and you were voting because only one vote for household
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 1: was allowed, and she didn't like the way you voted,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: you heard about it because she knew. And remember during
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 1: the Biden administration, the Democrats put out these ads. You know,
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: your husband doesn't have to know how you voted, But
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: back when women couldn't vote, the husband had to vote
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 1: in public, and the wife certainly knew how he voted.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 1: So politics have been run by women for a lot
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: longer than people think, and as a result, we have
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: ended up with these oligarchs that they do the same
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 1: thing in a way that these scam artists do. They
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: promise safety, they promise safety nets, they promise conditions that
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: women think they want. We won't let people do bad
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: things in your community, right, we won't let your landlord
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: treat you unfairly. We won't let the grocery store treat
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: you unfairly. We'll make sure you get yours. And they
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: have to work for theirs, and then women will vote
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: for that, and the next thing, you know, the economy
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: is tanked. Their husband is in jail for something that
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: he said in public, that people disagreed with their their
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 1: prices for everything that they want to buy goes up,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: you know, and so on. You can't travel because some lasses,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: you can't work in a different uh, you can't move
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: to a different neighborhood to do do work. Just all
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: kinds of changes have taken place as a result of that.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: And yeah, getting getting women out of the business of
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: voting would be a first step. Keeping women out of
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: office is another important step. But until you take the
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: guyn of centrism out of politics entirely, it won't matter.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 1: You will still have shit like this happening as a
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: result of women having a lot more control over politics
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 1: than they admit. Amen, And with that we are going
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: to end the show now that you're aware both Russia
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 1: and Ukraine are lying the men to get them to
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 1: the front lines or using other abusive forms of forcing
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: them to fight against their will. And no matter what
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: side you pick, if you pick a side in that war,
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 1: the best outcome could be possible, that could be possible
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: would be if if your country stays out of it,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: and they neither side gets a leg up and they
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 1: both decide that it's not worth fighting anymore. Thanks everybody
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 1: for listening, Thanks to my two co hosts for going
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: through this horrible information with me. Thanks to everybody who
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: works in the background to make HBr talk happen. In
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: good night all,