Latest / Autoras de palabra con Rosa / Beatriz Roger y Luiso Soldevila: "El secreto de confesión y la Iglesia van a generar en el lector frustración e impotencia"
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- 0:02A naked man sitting in an old chair, dead instead of his head,
- 0:10has sewn around his neck with nylon thread and painted and effective that of a
- 0:14goat who pulls out his tongue an arrow, pierces his chest very close to
- 0:18his heart on the ground to the left, the beheaded goat rests forever father
- 0:23our Beatrix, Roger Luis or Soldevilla, welcome to Rosa' s microphone for
- 0:29your page, Hello, Rosa a pleasure. I haven' t counted,
- 0:35I haven' t seen anything from the side, because it' s very
- 0:39early in the novel and I think it' s a very good way to
- 0:42start, because if we imagine this scene, you' re not putting it
- 0:44in a message anymore. I understand to see what you can tell me.
- 0:49You can part of what you say already. Not without making spoilers and without
- 0:53saying anything that can' t be said. They' re telling you there
- 0:57' s something. Yeah, that' s not a free thing, and
- 1:00look what happened today, that' s been taken care of. There'
- 1:03s nothing, there' s a head placed in a body, there'
- 1:07s a goat that' s left of it and they' re telling you
- 1:11there' s a hidden message. I would say this you have the victim.
- 1:15You can watch a little, but the victim is a farmer from a
- 1:19foreign farm. And I can say little more, because I think the reader
- 1:23will find out little by little. Of course, a killer so we can
- 1:29say he' s going to start terrorizing the people of the region, that
- 1:33is, with what we were ripping off at first. It is the beginning
- 1:36of something that comes after well, yes, the scenario that we were talking
- 1:42about, is the beginning of a story of a murderer and it is the
- 1:46first piece. We could say a whole message. All these scenarios we have
- 1:52encountered also raise many questions, both in our protagonists and in our readers.
- 1:57Right, yeah, yeah, right, and a moment that now comes to
- 2:00mind. What, Hector comments. I don' t remember which page,
- 2:06obviously, but it says these people who are buried in making scenarios of their
- 2:14crimes as they say. This ends us here and then there is an icon
- 2:16that has already commented at some point that has this vision. In other words,
- 2:22as well as the detail is almost very good. Nico is very good.
- 2:24Nico' s in position. It' s like an investigation is rising
- 2:28above you and you see it and you' re saying something much more complicated
- 2:35is going on than you' re seeing and, of course, it'
- 2:38s nothing fortuitous. And I think that' s what you' re getting
- 2:39at, since you' ve been talking about Nico. You have spoken of
- 2:43Nico, how he comes from Marismas, how his physical and mental state is,
- 2:50to see Nico comes somewhat exhausted from Marismas. In addition, he suffered
- 2:53a wound and is recovering the Marismas investigation in the end, when the case
- 3:00is solved lands or continues with that of our father. In other words,
- 3:05it is a very frequent investigation that, in the background, in Marisma,
- 3:07there were small brushstrokes, very small where everything started, but Nicoso needs a
- 3:14call from Commissioner Hector to join the investigation and help in them. We'
- 3:20re not talking about the victim. We' re not gonna say who he
- 3:23is, but we can tell who finds the victim, who' s gonna
- 3:25start that investigation. Yes, yes, the victim, who will assume the
- 3:32investigation. And the case is Inspector Tono Pamies, who is a close friend
- 3:37of Commissioner Narváez Ves, who has a very special and profound relationship, but
- 3:42who are very different, because for me that is the typical inspector, we
- 3:46could say rebellious in discolo and that he has his own method. I was
- 3:54going too far to yours. I personally am a character that I love that
- 3:58the reader will know more. But besides, it all starts when during this
- 4:02investigation it disappears. And besides, there' s one thing you' re
- 4:10thinking about now, Hector. They' re selling sentences to my head,
- 4:12but suddenly during our father. There' s a reflection. What Hector does,
- 4:15they say I don' t know why he was meant to be someone
- 4:20big full of breads and then he wonders, because, for example, he
- 4:25' s not that he was any more mediocre Hector at all. Besides,
- 4:28you have mediocre, no, but it has to be said that he recognizes
- 4:30the brilliance of the other, that he is a guy who wrote a book
- 4:34about criminal profiles, that he was an advanced researcher, with a keen eye
- 4:41and suddenly for things that happen in life, because there are people who collapse
- 4:46or stay half- way, that is, you never know the luck is
- 4:48the luckiest of people And in this case, I think that all this parallelism
- 4:55between these two great friends is like very nice and at the same time a
- 5:00little sad And finally, besides what I have commented to my mother. What
- 5:01I like about myself is that there is a moment that, besides being unbelieving,
- 5:04he always sells the message that he is no longer interested in living.
- 5:10But how does it change your mind when maybe your life is at risk?
- 5:13Yes, sir, the end justifies the means to see this is ugly to
- 5:18say. I think I wish, not always, but I think sometimes yes,
- 5:24very rarely wait no. But if we' re talking, for example,
- 5:30about the defense of someone or some, here we talk about video to
- 5:32my death. Not in this novel, yes no, we' re talking
- 5:35about a politician who goes and says hey I' m going to make you
- 5:39such and I' m going to destroy your life. No, and then
- 5:41I think it' s one of the times when something can happen, because
- 5:46you already take the means ahead. I mean, yes, we have to
- 5:50think that here, in addition to disappearing an inspector, a friend disappears and
- 5:56maybe some squadron mosus. Or the Commissioner that we have him as someone straight
- 5:59serious that never step beyond the law. In this case, he may turn
- 6:02a blind eye. You prologue the novel. With a meeting in the Church
- 6:09of Santa Coloma meet six men who are not even friends. That I leave
- 6:14to you to tell what you think is right, for you are not really
- 6:20friends, which has to intuit that, however, if you are gathered,
- 6:25something is worth, but it takes the first chapters to reveal what you are
- 6:33or why you are there. I love that start. I find it good.
- 6:39I really like it when we write it with my mother. Besides,
- 6:43the hermitage of phytor Bueno, you have to visit it, but that meeting
- 6:46in a dark secret church with many people and already tells you that there is
- 6:53a link there. But when they say there are no friends, you ask
- 6:56yourself the question that has happened. So they' ll get together what happened
- 7:00they did. Time returns us as we belong, because I think I imagine
- 7:04where you go and I think that somehow to see, I am a firm
- 7:10convinced that we evolve and that, of course, we can change and improve
- 7:14and that life has been many surprises, beautiful, precious, but I also
- 7:18think that somehow, in essence we all belong in quotation marks, because we
- 7:24don' t belong to anyone, but some places, some people, some
- 7:29experiences that accompany us always is that I think you never leave it, that
- 7:35they always accompany you. It' s not like you' re coming back,
- 7:39it' s just that you' re sticking it a little bit to
- 7:45the body, because you have these issues in the book. Evidently, these
- 7:46phrases do not make you stop to think after having made the tour through the
- 7:49chapters, because you have to walk very tiptoe now, for example, in
- 7:54order not to reveal anything. Then another of the things that you question and
- 7:58if you can practice good as if with them, if you could erase the
- 8:01ill sensed good, is exactly one of the things that the book talks about
- 8:07the novel. I believe that people are excited to change many times without the
- 8:16will to change. But I also believe that what is done is done and
- 8:22I think that we can use it to always improve, always, because we
- 8:28do not learn only from what we have done. Well, we learn a
- 8:30lot from what we haven' t always done. But I don' t
- 8:33think it' s really about me erasing it. It' s about that
- 8:37if I' ve done evil, you add up well, if it'
- 8:43s better the journalistic investigation. We have Miss Marlaska tell me something about her.
- 8:48It' s very bad for me to say it, but it'
- 8:50s another character I love because Look at me, too. I' m
- 8:56glad because Mira is a powerful woman, with her illusions, her ambition,
- 9:01her desire and there' s no one to stop her. Besides, I
- 9:05like it because at first you know a character that also evolves during the novel,
- 9:11because you can have a lot of ambition, but deep down you also
- 9:15have that little heart of yours where you get excited, things remove you and
- 9:20I think you end up being an important character in this big family that wraps
- 9:24up niches. Besides, he won' t give up for anything in the
- 9:28world. And it helps the reader to follow up on the research that was
- 9:33very important for us to go telling the reader. Listen, I' m
- 9:35going to remind you of everything you' ve read through the screenplay and it
- 9:39also gives you access to visit in Barcelona at some point to meet your editor
- 9:45- in- chief and I like the subject of journalism films so that they
- 9:50have a lot of importance and relevance I' ve always liked very much.
- 9:54It' s a little day, not exactly. It' s a bit.
- 9:56It' s a little bit and then it' s also interesting that
- 10:01you realize what Luiso says, that what for the others is treason, that
- 10:05is, it' s for and it' s already doing its job.
- 10:07Then everyone finds their work sacred. His family seems sacred to him. I
- 10:11don' t know what he thinks is sacred. But of course there are
- 10:16different perspectives on all this. There are sins in which you are not even
- 10:18absorbed by a cure. I believe that sins are also stuck together and one
- 10:30has to forgive oneself and not one other person is a priest or whoever it
- 10:33is. I believe that Luis is me in that we look like I am
- 10:37unbeliever. For example, confession will offend no one I am not. I
- 10:43have my dialogues, you know, and my stories when I go to sleep
- 10:48and I like it, because just ask and this doesn' t mean that
- 10:58I commune with anything like that very ecclesiastical and I think about how the luiso.
- 11:01First, what sins would be worth it is first and second, we
- 11:05talked about it a little earlier, because, because we improve, we learn
- 11:11and I think that when something hurts us enough, that' s when we
- 11:16say good enough. I want to do more of this, I don'
- 11:18t want to be done anymore. This is not getting to a point and
- 11:22there are many things that give them maturity and not always. There are many
- 11:26people who have no interest in improving the area and each one, but I
- 11:30trust the human being very much. I would also like to say that the
- 11:33title already gives rise to it a little. But the secret of confession the
- 11:35church and this is going to generate the reader, I think, a little
- 11:39frustration and impotence, just like according to which characters and there will be that
- 11:43duality, that doubt, that rage, because and that gives a lot of
- 11:48play crimes, macabres, sarisms, esotericism and religious beliefs, a story written
- 11:54at four hands. I' d like to know what those four hands feed
- 11:58on. Well, I, in my experience with these two novels, have
- 12:05fed a lot of my mother, everything I' ve read, of all
- 12:07the movies and series I' ve seen, of my personal essence, also
- 12:11personal experiences, that it' s inevitable to dump them a little bit in
- 12:20the novel and sometimes my wife makes me joke when she reads something and tells
- 12:22me it' s a little twisted. You and I tell him well,
- 12:26this is just imagination. Yeah, I, like in Luis or not,
- 12:31don' t have much awareness of where we nourish ourselves. You know what
- 12:33I mean. I believe that the two of us among the overflowing imaginations we
- 12:39have, among the series we have seen in the films, have read a
- 12:43lot of black novel. Then I think it' s like you' re
- 12:46already creating your own story here. I have mine in yours, but we
- 12:48agree quite a bit, i e no, and this is going to be
- 12:54very ugly I have never had any time in the feeling that it was very
- 13:00difficult to bring things up. I haven' t had the feeling of being
- 13:03fighting and yon with my head to get ideas, or Luis or fighting something
- 13:07very different. Dialogues are ordered the plot that all makes sense as such,
- 13:15but this throwing up everything we think or imagine, and I think it is
- 13:20what he and I are not getting better at. Yes, I agree with
- 13:24my mother that we have imagination and it is appreciated that there are occasions that
- 13:30you so much imagination. It' s also dangerous and you have to slow
- 13:33it down and manage it, because in this novel we have had to fit
- 13:39many pieces and I really always say I like to believe that we' ve
- 13:39made it. The reader will have to say it, but it has been
- 13:43a challenge at some point, because there are many characters, there are good,
- 13:48many scenarios, macabre we could say, but to me it has been
- 13:52a challenge to fit all the pieces. What has been the hardest part,
- 13:56because it is true that there are many characters as you just did and many
- 14:01macabre situations. I don' t know if you' ve enjoyed yourself there
- 14:03in any way, but it looks perfect. In the end. I was
- 14:07saying it the other day, when it looks like it' s all figured
- 14:11out, when you' re watching a movie and you still see there'
- 14:15s fifteen minutes left and maybe the way I held it down. It can
- 14:16' t be here. There' s got to be more to you.
- 14:18You always add up, a little more, a little more, a little
- 14:20more and you have a brutal ending. I am not going to say any
- 14:24more, obviously, but I do not know which part you have found more
- 14:28complicated or more than you have enjoyed most to me more complicated and the one
- 14:33I have enjoyed most. End, end. I, in the end,
- 14:37find it and good This looks bad, too, for me to say,
- 14:39but incredible. I like it very much that even what I saw reread the
- 14:43novel and I got chicken skin a little like Wow. But I have enjoyed
- 14:48very much the connection of all events and also in the creation of these macabre
- 14:52scenarios, because they have as an explanation why they are so and it is
- 14:58true that it is a c B. But my mother, I think I
- 15:01speak for the two of us who don' t like to gloat like in
- 15:05the gore. There is also no need to go into detail. I think
- 15:07that with what we explained is enough and the reader moves into these horrific scenarios.
- 15:13But that' s what I' ve enjoyed most. You just said
- 15:16it. You have to see why that evil occurs. You have no other
- 15:20one of your reflections that says that the wrong of the first impressions, you
- 15:24do not say in the easy, quick and proud judgments that people usually cast
- 15:31and what really means the wonder, which means to really discover when we give
- 15:37ourselves that time and really know the person. Well, this in life happens
- 15:41to us constantly and I think as we grow we realize that it' s
- 15:46a big flaw in judging the first. But there' s a lot going
- 15:52on there. The pame trial, the judgment about what you could do about
- 15:58a mateo, things don' t happen. There' s even a police
- 16:03officer out there that I' m not gonna talk about anymore, but you
- 16:07' ll know who he is. You could be like an edge or you
- 16:11could see how a person and his own reflections, his own experiences, his
- 16:17own whole. So what I do, which I think is camped out there
- 16:22in the world, is why of each of us that leads us to be
- 16:26like this. So, yeah, I really like what my mom says.
- 16:30It' s true what' s going on. We all do, maybe
- 16:33we have some prejudice or judgments, but in the end it happens to all
- 16:37of us you stay with one person alone is that maybe you had your doubts
- 16:41and you say we shut up great and we try to translate it into the
- 16:44novel. To me, about Pam, that' s what you were talking
- 16:45about. I very much like a moment that only has its doubts, reluctances,
- 16:48not just like it, but there is a moment that asks a question
- 16:52or tells it fabric and tells it hears if Hector is the Commissioner. He
- 16:55' s a man you respect so much, you love so much, you
- 16:57trust him so much. You feel this case and attachment for me is for
- 17:00something you will be accurate in terms of helping, in terms of the characters
- 17:06and also the possibility that a criminal can help the justice part. Nothing more
- 17:11and in fact, we' ve known that we' ve dealt with the
- 17:15subject, we' ve already done it in marismarse. He' s a
- 17:18character who goes back to what Luison says He shouldn' t, but we
- 17:19like him. In the end he is a drug dealer, but he has
- 17:26his point and then it is very clear that he can immerse himself in a
- 17:30subworld and the others cannot and does not know good things, such as,
- 17:34for example, what is shown that he knows no. And I think this
- 17:37kind of with Luis or we did it pretty darkly enough that even the drug
- 17:41dealer, even this one, has their part, because it' s better.
- 17:48I also like to think of this that in the end, everyone chooses
- 17:52the path that they want to follow if they have that option, and they
- 17:56can, but, for example, the drug dealer, within his/ her
- 18:00being a drug dealer frame, has his/ her values, has his/
- 18:04her ideals and is firm with them that sometimes neither icon will understand why he
- 18:08/ she thinks it different, but they are their values. And yes,
- 18:10I' ve wired a given moment in the investigation, because some very important
- 18:12events are linked by a bond that well, they will be revealed already.
- 18:18But it' s Nicoyamalia' s other side. I like it a lot.
- 18:22We keep secrets that don' t belong to us. Yeah, yeah,
- 18:25and that phrase I really like the book. I love it because yes,
- 18:29I am crazy because besides, when we were with my mother, we
- 18:33said it is powerful, because it is true, and that conversation that the
- 18:40protagonists of the novel have and have understood and I tell you your story.
- 18:42If you tell me, mine' s yours, yes, and that'
- 18:45s what says yes, but sometimes it doesn' t. The secrets that
- 18:49we keep are not just ours, and I believe that absolutely yes, yes,
- 18:55yes, not because of being a majority, there must be important reason.
- 18:57It' s another very important thing in history, very important totally to
- 19:03me. One of the most dangerous things in this world is just the masses
- 19:06that would be majority as an individual we could say escapal is in order.
- 19:10He can transform that majority. Yes, yes, as Luis says, or,
- 19:15in fact, I think it is also proven not that not by being
- 19:18a majority you are right and I think that is what he says. It
- 19:22' s a very important thing to know what you could have eaten the good
- 19:29coconut is the same. We just have to look a little bit into the
- 19:32world and see things and see the masses. I think it' s,
- 19:36as he says, the most dangerous thing that there are the masses, the
- 19:42followers and these people who need a good book, you know any quick slogan
- 19:51and someone who tells them to follow me and this we can apply to everything.
- 19:53And this is all very dangerous. We' re watching the networks exactly
- 20:00set the novel in yanfran A Azuel Well in Cyrillic sites where you look bad
- 20:04murders also occur. As long as tourism doesn' t go down, they
- 20:11' ll let us back in. I' m beginning to doubt it.
- 20:12Uh, yeah, I wish. Novels give a positive push. Well,
- 20:18now, in conclusion, I ask you what would become of the chiller if
- 20:22there were no jealousy, hatred, envy. Well, I don' t
- 20:25know. I could follow a list, because it would be romantic novella,
- 20:29it would be not the rome. Yeah, good answer. Period. We
- 20:33can' t kill who we really are to see. I don' t
- 20:41know if to kill, but I don' t think I like that message
- 20:45that people sometimes give them that someone can' t change. But I firmly
- 20:48believe that decisions can be made and changed and evolved. While it' s
- 20:53true, I' ve always thought that that child of your childhood girl,
- 21:00we' ve all been inside as long as we grow up and grow older
- 21:06and it' s hard to get away from that. Now that you'
- 21:07ve said a child, a child a mother will never forget. We do
- 21:14that, the wrongs exactly what can be done with a child that there is
- 21:18one word that cannot be done and there is another that can be done.
- 21:22It' s over, we have to leave the past in the past for
- 21:26some time. Some are already far away and we must move on, Father,
- 21:33our memory of past hapas imagined a brutal story. Really good- bye
- 21:41to this if you puzzle, it must have been complicated. So, but
- 21:45every union of that piece has been like a phon, that is. I
- 21:49see it this way and it is true that the last part is brutal.
- 21:52It' s not po.