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UnchainedTV: Hey Adidas- Kangaroos Are NOT Shoes! · UNCHAINEDTV'S Truth Files with Jane Velez-Mitchell

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My name is Emma Hurst and I'm a
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member of parliament for the Animal Justice Party
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in Sydney, Australia.
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How did the Animal Justice Party get started?
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This party started because we realised that there
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was no other political party that was really
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representing animals in parliament and it became really
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clear when the environmental party that is already
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elected failed to support kangaroos.
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They were actually supporting legislation to shoot our
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kangaroos.
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People became really angry, really furious and realised
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there's just no voice for animals on that
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legal political scale and that was where the
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Animal Justice Party was formed.
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The first time we ran an election, we
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had somebody elected and the second time we
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ran in New South Wales, I got elected.
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Wow, we are so honoured and delighted at
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UnShade TV to have Emma Hurst, a member
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of parliament from Australia on today and she
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has a very strong message to Adidas.
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Emma, what would you say if you could
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talk to the leaders, the heads, the CEOs
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of Adidas right now?
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Just to stop using kangaroos to make shoes,
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simply.
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We have the largest land-based massacre of
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wildlife in the world here in Australia and
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we're talking about a very, very cruel industry.
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A lot of people are really aware of
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what happens to baby harp seals but if
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you're going to wear soccer shoes made out
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of kangaroo leather, you may as well wear
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a baby harp seal jacket to go with
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it.
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It is an absolutely horrific industry.
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The code of practise actually requires that joeys
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have their heads bashed in in this industry
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and we could end up seeing kangaroos go
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extinct in the same way as our koalas
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are now facing extinction as well in Australia.
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At the height of the holiday shopping season,
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there was a global day of action and
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this is a message that the Animal Justice
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Party, which Emma Hurst represents, has been trying
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to get through to Adidas for quite a
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while.
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Let's listen to a very emotional speech.
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Emma Hurst, again an Australian member of parliament
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made in New York City about this issue
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outside an Adidas store.
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I'm Emma Hurst and I'm a member of
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parliament in Australia and I'm here to send
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a very strong message to Adidas.
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The massacre of our native animals is a
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terrible price to pay for a pair of
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shoes.
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Keep your hands off our native animals.
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You have blood on your hands when you
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involve yourself in this massacre.
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There are other companies like Puma and Nike
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and today New Balance has also announced that
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they will not be using kangaroo leather.
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Adidas, you are now one of the last
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companies in the world that is involving yourself
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in the largest mass blood slaughter of native
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animals.
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Kangaroos are not shoes, just not the slaughter.
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The bludgeoning of joeys in our country is
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a terrible price to pay for a pair
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of shoes.
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This is the largest land-based massacre of
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wildlife in the world and as a representative
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of Australia who is elected to parliament, I
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want to say hands off our kangaroos.
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Stop using native animals for your shoes.
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What some of the people and Adidas is
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invited on to respond at any time has
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said during that protest which was brought to
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us courtesy theirturn.net The Australian government must
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be doing something about this.
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They want to save these beautiful animals that
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are so associated with their wonderful nation.
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What do you say to that as a
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member of parliament in Australia?
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We've got a really frustrating situation here in
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Australia.
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We actually ran a parliamentary enquiry here in
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New South Wales into the kangaroo killing industry.
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We have a two-party system similar to
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the US and the party that wasn't in
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power at the time really helped to expose
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what was happening in the kangaroo killing industry
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and were genuinely quite shocked and mortified by
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what was actually happening in the dark and
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hidden in the night.
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However, that party is now in power and
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they're going along with the same lines that
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we heard the previous government with.
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The government's really in bed with this industry
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and when myself and our state director Louise
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Ward actually travelled through the US, we were
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quite mortified to hear that different representatives and
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different people representing Australia and Australian governments were
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actually supporting this industry despite the absolute brutality
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and the risk of losing the species.
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We're also in the midst of the sixth
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mass extinction.
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Again, we invite Adidas on any time to
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respond.
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I want to go to Jennifer Skiff with
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the Centre for Humane Economy.
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You have actually met with Adidas.
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Can you tell me what they said?
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Again, we'd love to hear from them directly.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Thank you.
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It's great to be here with you, Jane.
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Wayne Fuseli, the founder of the Centre for
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Humane Economy, started this campaign.
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We started it three years ago, the Kangaroos
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Aren't Shoes campaign.
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It's been fantastic working with all these wonderful,
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wonderful people.
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In November, we did have a meeting with
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Frank Henke, who is the head of sustainability
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at Adidas.
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We talked to him.
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He was well aware of our campaign and
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well aware of the fact that Nike and
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Puma and New Balance, all last year, had
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made the decision to no longer use K
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-leather in their products.
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What he did tell us is that he
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believed that what the Australian government told him,
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which is that the commercial kangaroo shoot was
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sustainable and was humane.
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He also mentioned the RSPCA of Australia being
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under the impression that they felt it was
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okay, which I have spoken with RSPCA of
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Australia since then, and they do not, under
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any circumstances, think that the commercial shoot and
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the collateral damage of half a million joeys
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being killed in the pouches, being pulled from
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pouches and bludgeoned, or the joeys at foot
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who run and then starve to death, it's
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not okay.
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It's brutal.
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It's the antithesis of humane.
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Now, Donnie Moss, who is on our panel
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and has provided a lot of our footage,
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coordinated, along with some incredible team members, a
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very, very impactful protest at a flagship Adidas
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store.
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Let's look at that and then we're going
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to talk to him on the other side.
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Kangaroos are not shoes.
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Just stop the slaughter.
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This is Donnie Moss with theirturn.net at
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the Adidas store in New York City, where
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animal rights activists are calling on the company
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to stop killing kangaroos to make and to
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make the switch to cruelty-free materials like
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Puma, Nike, and New Balance.
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What do you think when you hear about
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this?
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We were not aware of that, so we're
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shocked.
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The government of Australia, it seems like they
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would have some ability to stop that.
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Certainly, there could be synthetic materials.
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They don't have to be killing kangaroos indiscriminately.
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Stop the torture.
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Stop the pain.
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Adidas football is to blame.
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Adidas is killing kangaroos to make soccer shoes.
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What?
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I just don't think that's necessary at all.
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I'm very sad about it.
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It's tragic.
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Kangaroos are not fashion.
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Where the hell is your compassion?
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So we have a message for Adidas.
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We will be back.
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We'll be back.
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We'll be back.
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So, Donnie, similar protests were happening in 30
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cities around the country at the height of
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the shopping season for the holidays.
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What do you think the impact is?
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Do you think that Adidas is getting the
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message?
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Because Nike was the subject of similar protests,
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and it was after those protests that Nike
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said, OK, all right, no more kangaroo leather.
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Yeah, so first of all, over the holidays,
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actually, 30 protests took place in three continents.
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They were in Australia, Europe, and the United
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States.
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And I can't help but think that there
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are a lot of people in the boardroom
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at Adidas talking about how to handle these
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protests.
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I once worked for a big company.
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When we were subjected to protests, people from
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marketing sales, security, legal, public relations, they all
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got together to talk about how to handle
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it.
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It's very disruptive to have a protest in
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even one store.
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But when you have protests in inside of
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or in front of stores all across the
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world, that really has to be having an
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impact.
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Adidas does not want their customer shopping experience
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to be disrupted by protests.
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They don't want their customers to know that
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they use kangaroo skin to make soccer shoes
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because they know that the vast majority of
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their customers would oppose it, just as we've
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shown you on camera.
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And so our feeling is that because they
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didn't listen to us when we sent letters
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and signed petitions, is that we have to
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escalate with these disruptions until they do what
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they know is the right thing.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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We've got a caller, Nilo Farr from Dallas,
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Texas.
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Your question or thought for our incredible panel
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talking about this campaign to get Adidas to,
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hey, Adidas, kangaroos are not shoes.
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Hi.
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Consumer trends increasingly showed that consumers are aligned
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with products of ethics and sustainability, which means
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vegan products, not what Adidas purports to be
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a product of bludgeoning kangaroos.
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My question is for Adidas, but since they're
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not here, maybe you can address it.
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Why do you think that they are not
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progressing with the times, which, by the way,
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will be good for business as shown by
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Nike, Puma, and New Balance?
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Excellent question.
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Louise Ward with Centre for Humane Economy, or
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Animal Justice Party Australia.
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Yes.
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Take it away.
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Look, I really can't answer that.
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And I'd just like to echo Donny's statement.
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We'd love to know what's happening in Adidas
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boardrooms right now, because they must be seriously
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considering the impact of continuing to use kangaroo
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products in their shoes, which are actually used
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in a tiny proportion of the football boots
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that they make.
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So I really don't understand why they are
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holding the line on using kangaroo skin.
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And maybe they are considering it right now.
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I would think that they were considering just
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stopping using it altogether, but I can't answer.
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Maybe Jennifer, who's met with Adidas, could answer
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better than me.
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Possibly.
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I mean, do you have any idea why?
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It seems like it always takes a lot
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of protests.
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This is true throughout the entire animal rights
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panoply of campaigns.
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You ask nicely, you send letters, you show
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evidence, you say, hey, there's no humane way
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to slaughter these wild animals, and there's crickets,
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crickets, no response.
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Then there's protests.
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Then the protests become in-store protests.
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Then they become die-ins.
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Then they become global campaigns.
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And then all of a sudden, voila, oh,
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we see the light.
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I mean, it seems like that is pretty
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much the three-act play that has to
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occur for the change to happen.
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Jennifer.
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Yes, Jane, you're right.
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I did a lot of research that we
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have, actually, at the centre.
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And one thing that we found is that
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Adidas, as they call themselves, they've used kangaroo
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leather for a long time, and they've kicked
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some winning goals with it.
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So it's ingrained in the corporate thought process.
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It's kind of their trophy, if you will.
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And so I think that's part, probably, of
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what they're thinking about.
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But I will tell you, I even mentioned
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during the meeting that David Beckham, when he
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was working for them, accepting money, being sponsored
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by them for millions of dollars, someone showed
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him some videos of the Joeys being killed
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in Australia, and he refused to wear any
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kangaroo leather.
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And that was, oh, it was a long
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time ago.
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So they continued on.
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Even with that situation, they continued to use
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K-leather.
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Wow.
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Even with David Beckham, perhaps the most famous
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star in that sport globally.
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So I want to go back to Emma.
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What's next?
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Where do you think this campaign needs to
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go?
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, look, for us, it's really
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difficult to get any kind of movement here
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in Australia.
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There's a real issue with the government supporting
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this industry and promoting it and pushing it
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forward.
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And while Australians absolutely love animals and they're
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absolutely horrified by this industry, it's very difficult
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for us to get laws changed here.
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So that's why we have taken our campaign
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international.
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We do have a bill in the US,
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which we want to make sure is passed.
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And that bill would actually, and we're working
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on that bill with the Centre for Humane
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Economy as well.
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Now, that bill would mean that imports of
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kangaroo body parts are illegal right across the
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US.
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So this would actually stop companies like Adidas
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in their tracks from being able to actually
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sell their shoes that are made out of
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kangaroo skins.
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And of course, we want bills in other
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countries as well, because we know, and when
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we went to the US, when Louise and
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I went to the US, and everyone that
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we met with, every single congressperson that we
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met with and spoke about what was happening
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in this industry was absolutely horrified.
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And they wanted to know how they could
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help.
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So we're really looking to the US, we're
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looking to the residents of the US to
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help us with this campaign and to stand
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by kangaroos and protect these animals.
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Yeah, we have a little clip of that
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proposed legislation.
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Now there is currently bills that have been
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put forward, and we're going to Washington DC.
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We want to support the politicians in America
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who are putting this bill up.
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We want to help lobby to get that
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passed.
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So it's being sponsored by three Republicans and
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three Democrats.
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And that bill will make it illegal to
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import kangaroo meat and skins from Australia.
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And that's exactly the pressure we need.
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The US is the second largest importer of
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kangaroo meat and skins.
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And so it will send a really clear,
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strong message to Australia that this is animal
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cruelty.
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And we don't want it here.
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But I am shocked.
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Just hearing the word kangaroo meat.
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I was just like, Are you kidding me?
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I've never heard of that.
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What?
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I'm almost speechless.
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Emma?
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's a lot of kangaroo meat
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is used in pet food.
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And so I mean, it's not something that
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people eat here in Australia, either.
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There was a ban in Russia from the
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the importation of kangaroo meats that occurred several
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years ago.
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And that was really because of the E.
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coli and salmonella.
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There was a whole lot of investigations in
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regards to, you know, because these animals are
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being shot in Australia.
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And remember, Australia is a hot climate.
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So we're in summer right now.
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So it can be 40 degrees that these
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animals are being sorry, that's Celsius.
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I don't know what that is.
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Sorry, in Fahrenheit, but very, very hot.
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And so these animals are being shot in
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the heat.
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And their bodies are being dragged through the
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dirt.
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They're getting put on the back of a
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trailer in the middle of, you know, the
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dusty outback, and then put into these trailers.
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And they're left there until they're collected and
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put into chillers and cut up.
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And what we found was that the E.
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coli was absolutely through the roof.
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And I know, my vet certainly told me
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never to feed companion animals kangaroo meat, because
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of the risk of health problems within that.
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But sometimes kangaroo meat can be hidden in
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sausages, or it can be put into other
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dishes as well.
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So it is something that is being exported
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around the world.
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And as I said, it's being used quite
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a bit in the pet food industry.
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But the way that this industry is really
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making their money is through the skins.
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And that's why we're really focused on companies
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like Adidas who are using the skins, because
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that's what makes this market financially profitable.
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So I really want to try to get
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a sense of the impact of these protests.
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In a couple of seconds, you're going to
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hear from the LA organisers.
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I actually attended that protest.
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Unchained TV was there supporting that protest.
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And I did partake in the in-store
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demo.
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But it was happening in 30 cities around
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the world.
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So Donnie, you're kind of, you know, the
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person who really has turned these kinds of
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protests into an art form.
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Give us the trajectory in your mind of
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how much it's going to take for Adidas
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to hear.
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Yes.
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So of course, we won't know.
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We're not inside that boardroom right now.
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We don't know what the tipping point will
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be for Adidas.
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But what I can tell you is that
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they are frustrated.
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And you hear that in the voices of
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the employees.
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Not that we're interested in engaging with the
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employees.
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We're really not.
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But the employees have been instructed to not
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interact with us at all and to ignore
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us.
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But sometimes they do.
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And sometimes they come after us.
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And that can get sort of disruptive.
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And so and the reason I point that
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out is because that requires the human resources
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department at Adidas corporate to sort of roll
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out new training methods or manuals for how
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employees need to handle protesters.
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And as more activists around the world join
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this campaign and protest inside of or in
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front of their local Adidas stores, more employees
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have to be trained.
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It's just such a pain in the neck,
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for lack of a better expression, that a
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part of me thinks Adidas is going to
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wipe their hands clean of K-leather just
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to avoid all of the human resource issues
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involved.
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And I had it mentioned that earlier.
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I will say this, you know, we never
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know what the tipping point is because these
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companies typically don't tell us.
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In the case of Nike, we did a
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lot of in-store demos and they were
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happening in several continents.
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But it was just a few days before
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we were going to protest at the home
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of a board member, Nike's board of directors,
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who was in charge of sustainability, that they
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announced that kangaroo free policy.
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So maybe we need to escalate and bring
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this campaign to the homes of the decision
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makers.
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And then, you know, what happens is there's
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also backlash against that.
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People are saying, oh, why are you protesting
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in front of my home?
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It's kind of sad because I think it's
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a case of selective indignation.
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As I said, there are so many efforts
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that are taken that are gentle and polite.
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And Louise Ward with the Centre, with the
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Animal Justice Party, you can probably address that.
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Or maybe Jennifer Canamy, what nice ways have
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you taken to try to explain the situation?
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Who wants to take it?
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Louise?
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I will.
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I'll lead into Louise in saying that Louise
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was the brainchild of the Global Day of
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Protest.
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And she is the right person to answer
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this question.
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Go ahead.
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Look, we've tried, as has the Centre for
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a Humane Economy over many years now, to
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write to Adidas, to send them nice messages,
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to send them encouraging messages, to try and
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tell them, you know, what is happening to
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kangaroos right now in Australia.
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And they ignored us.
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And what can you do when people ignore
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you?
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You have to take that protest to them.
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So that's what we decided to do, to
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take the protest to the front doors of
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Nike, to the front doors of Adidas.
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And what about the whole concept that Donnie
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mentioned, which, you know, unfortunately, I wish it
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wasn't necessary.
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But having viewed many of these campaigns, it
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seems like when you get to the board
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members' Hamptons houses, or their fancy, you know,
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retreats, or their Park Avenue homes, and the
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reason I say that is I've seen the
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Donnie Moss protests in the Hamptons, protests on
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Park Avenue.
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You know, these are very wealthy people.
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And they don't like their neighbours to see
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all this stuff.
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Donnie, I have to go back to you.
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That's what it takes, I think.
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Yeah, it's not always what it takes.
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But sometimes that is what it takes.
23:25
And, you know, think about how embarrassing it
23:27
is for activists.
23:29
And keep in mind, we don't want to
23:31
be doing this.
23:31
It's just that they forced us to do
23:33
it by ignoring us.
23:34
But how, how awkward and embarrassing it is
23:37
it for somebody to walk out of their
23:39
apartment building or their home, and to see
23:42
activists with a picture of the face of
23:45
the person we're protesting next to kangaroos, you
23:48
know, with a gunshot wounds with a Joey,
23:51
sort of at the mother's side crying.
23:54
Nobody wants to be portrayed in that light.
23:56
It's very embarrassing for them.
23:58
People have neighbours, people have jobs, they don't,
24:02
they don't want it.
24:03
And so we know, and I know from
24:05
having worked at a big company once, that
24:08
people don't like to be targeted as individuals,
24:10
these decision makers.
24:11
And so we, what's effective is doing what
24:14
they want, don't want us to do.
24:16
All right, we got a caller Jose in
24:18
Arlington, Texas, your question or thought for our
24:21
panel on the campaign to get Adidas to
24:24
stop using kangaroo leather.
24:28
Hi, thank you.
24:29
I heard you guys mentioned that there was
24:31
one soccer player that was completely against, you
24:35
know, using these kangaroo products.
24:39
So I guess my question would be, is
24:41
there been any type of attempt for you
24:43
guys to reach out to any other types
24:45
of celebrities to maybe help them endorse your
24:48
campaign?
24:49
Oh, great, great question.
24:52
All right, who wants to take it?
24:54
Jennifer?
24:55
Yeah, we have.
24:58
But we, during the World Cup, it was
25:01
a little, it was a little bit late,
25:04
reaching out to women's soccer players in Australia.
25:09
But I will tell you, anyone who's watching
25:14
and has some celebrity friends in the sports
25:17
world, we would love to talk to you
25:19
about this.
25:20
Absolutely great idea.
25:22
We have made attempts and, but great idea.
25:26
I also think celebrities in general, you know,
25:30
from my perch, getting a good overview of
25:33
what's happening in the animal rights world, celebrities
25:36
go a long way.
25:37
Like one celebrity standing out, we're here in
25:41
Hollywood.
25:42
So I mean, one celebrity coming to Hollywood,
25:45
Adidas store in Santa Monica, or on the
25:47
world's trendiest street, Abbot Kinney, where they have
25:51
a store and saying, you know, what, speaking
25:54
their mind about this issue.
25:56
I mean, Emma, as a member of Parliament,
25:59
I would think that you might have the
26:01
ability to get that kind of celebrity endorsement
26:06
for this campaign that others might not be
26:09
able to.
26:10
And look, we have absolutely reached out to
26:13
celebrities.
26:13
And again, we're looking for international celebrities.
26:17
And I know Louise Ward, our state director,
26:21
has also reached out to celebrities.
26:24
There is a celebrity cricketer here who is
26:27
also vegan, who has spoken out against the
26:31
use of kangaroo leather.
26:33
So he here in Australia has spoken on
26:36
this campaign.
26:37
But we are looking for some international celebrities
26:41
too, because I know that that particular celebrity
26:44
who did speak out did get some pressure
26:48
from within the sporting industry as well, because
26:51
he spoke out.
26:53
So there's some real concerns here, but really
26:57
to get the message really far and really
27:00
wide, we need some of those really big
27:03
name celebrities over in the UK and in
27:06
the US.
27:08
Donny, you apparently have some information regarding celebrities
27:12
and this kind of campaign.
27:14
Yeah, I mean, James Cromwell, the star of
27:18
that iconic film, Babe, about the pig, and
27:21
of Succession, that blockbuster show in the US
27:23
and maybe elsewhere, he actually came to an
27:27
Adidas protest and staged a disruption and a
27:31
speak out inside of one of Adidas' very
27:34
large Manhattan stores.
27:36
And you could see that the employees were
27:38
simultaneously upset and excited to see the celebrity
27:41
inside of the store.
27:43
And that video, and so much of these
27:46
protests is about ensuring that we reach an
27:48
even wider audience with the video, but that
27:50
video absolutely went viral on many different social
27:54
media outlets.
27:55
And so yeah, it really does make a
27:57
difference when someone with that platform speaks out
28:00
and does so sort of compellingly and thoughtfully,
28:03
as James Cromwell did.
28:04
We've got another caller, Sam in Pasadena, your
28:07
question or thought for our panel on the
28:09
campaign to get Adidas to stop using kangaroo
28:12
leather.
28:13
Hi, hi, my name is Sam.
28:15
Thank you so much for speaking up and
28:17
fighting for kangaroos in Australia.
28:19
And thank you, Emma, for being a voice
28:22
on the parliament, being a parliament and speaking
28:27
out because I really believe that fighting for
28:29
animals require legislative action.
28:33
My question to you guys is, you know,
28:36
aside from protesting at stores, can you suggest
28:40
where else we can perhaps write letters or
28:44
somehow get negative publicity on Adidas?
28:48
Can you share some other ways that activists
28:51
can help aside on top of going to
28:53
the stores to protest?
28:55
Thank you.
28:56
Yeah, Emma, you want to take that?
28:59
Sure.
29:00
Look, there are so many ways that people
29:01
can get involved.
29:03
I know that there's some fantastic videos that
29:05
have been put together by the Animal Justice
29:08
Party, by the Centre for Human Economy, by
29:10
Unchain, and also by Donnie Moss at their
29:14
turn as well.
29:15
So sharing all of those across social media,
29:19
sharing our petitions as well.
29:21
The Animal Justice Party has petitions about this
29:23
as well.
29:25
And of course, writing to Adidas as well.
29:28
Look, certainly, you know, and as a politician,
29:32
I can tell you the more correspondence that
29:35
we receive on an issue, you know, your
29:37
actual email might feel as though it's ignored.
29:40
But I know from working with all these
29:42
other politicians, that when you receive a huge
29:46
number of emails about a certain issue, while
29:49
your particular email may not necessarily be read
29:52
by the CEO, for example, certainly at their
29:55
meetings, they will get a report on how
29:58
many emails they received on a particular issue.
30:00
So they might say, look, we've had over
30:02
5000 emails about the fact that we're using
30:05
kangaroo leather.
30:06
So it will come across their table and
30:09
will get their attention.
30:11
All right.
30:12
And Louise, you're saying that you've got another
30:14
campaign coming up?
30:16
Yeah, so we're planning another global online action.
30:20
So it's going to be a three pronged
30:22
attack on Adidas.
30:24
So we're looking at creating a comment storm
30:27
on their Instagram, looking at calling, we want
30:31
to get people in every country in the
30:33
world to call Adidas head office in that
30:37
country.
30:37
And then also an email storm as well
30:40
to Adidas.
30:41
So I can share those details of those
30:45
actions and every single person in the world
30:47
can participate in those three actions that are
30:50
going to be occurring on the 16th of
30:52
January.
30:54
And we're going to do some protests at
30:57
Adidas headquarters in various countries as well to
31:01
coincide with the online actions.
31:03
How many cities do you expect for the
31:05
January 16th?
31:07
I'm not sure yet.
31:09
I know we have people in Canada in
31:12
Toronto that are going to be going to
31:14
the HQ there.
31:16
We've got people in Australia, Melbourne is the
31:19
head office here.
31:20
And I know that the activists in Germany
31:22
who've been amazing, and of course, Adidas is
31:25
a German company, are very motivated to get
31:30
to the Adidas global headquarters in Germany.
31:34
What city in Germany?
31:38
Donnie might remember, it's not one of the
31:41
main cities.
31:42
So I can't think of it off the
31:43
top of my head.
31:44
But that's where their headquarters is.
31:49
So that might be a very good way
31:52
to get their attention by going to the
31:53
actual...
31:54
Donnie, when you said go to the homes,
31:57
if they're in Germany, that's a little bit
32:00
complicated.
32:02
Yes, except that there are animal rights activists
32:04
in Germany.
32:05
I don't think that they've protested in the
32:07
city where Adidas' headquarters is located.
32:11
But also Adidas has corporate offices here in
32:14
the United States.
32:15
And so we're not there yet.
32:18
We really want to give Adidas and its
32:21
executives the opportunity to do the right thing
32:23
before we show up on their front doorsteps.
32:27
Well, I mean, this has been going on
32:29
for a while.
32:30
How much longer?
32:31
Not much longer.
32:33
I mean, you know, and I do think
32:34
that the German activists in particular are and
32:37
they've been so wonderful.
32:38
They just jumped on board on this campaign,
32:41
and have sort of taken the ball and
32:42
run with it.
32:43
And so, yeah, I think that the German
32:47
activists have that in their sights.
32:50
Excellent.
32:51
And I'm just going to kangaroosarenotshoes.org.
32:54
That's the hub, right, where people can go.
32:57
And once they go there, there's a whole
32:59
bunch of petitions that they can sign.
33:01
That's easy to remember.
33:03
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.
33:06
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.
33:06
Head over there right now and sign all
33:08
the petitions.
33:09
Now, I want to bring in these folks
33:12
who are the organisers of the L.A.
33:17
campaign against Adidas for using kangaroo leather, Annie
33:21
Abram, Michael Fujimori, and their beautiful little dog,
33:25
Annie's beautiful little dog, Chanel.
33:28
I'm going to play a clip of the
33:30
protest that they had, which I attended.
33:33
I also spoke.
33:34
And then we're going to talk to them
33:35
on the other side.
34:04
They are curious, compassionate, and highly social beings
34:08
who live with their family in bonded community
34:12
groups and take care of each other.
34:16
Kangaroos live in harmony with nature and other
34:20
animals.
34:21
Kangaroos are also the victims of the largest
34:25
slaughter of land-based wildlife on the whole
34:28
planet.
34:29
Kangaroos are brutally killed.
34:31
Adidas is making the false claim on its
34:35
website and in media statements that killing kangaroos
34:39
is inhumane.
34:41
It is anything but.
34:43
Kangaroos are hunted, terrorised, maimed, wounded, shot, and
34:50
killed.
34:51
Baby kangaroos are bashed to death on bullboards.
34:56
They're left to die a slow, lonely death
34:59
without their mother.
35:01
Wow.
35:02
So, Annie, tell us what it was like
35:09
putting it together.
35:10
You were very emotional.
35:11
How did you think it went?
35:14
It went excellent.
35:16
I was very impressed by everyone, including you.
35:20
I was thrilled.
35:22
We were so lucky to have you, really.
35:24
And this is something that really touches my
35:28
heart.
35:28
I lose sleep over this.
35:30
Babies like mine, I carry her on a
35:33
baby carrier just like a joey.
35:36
It touches me dearly and personally to think
35:41
of someone coming and hurting me or hurting
35:44
my baby.
35:46
I take the horror that happens to animals
35:49
so dear and near to me.
35:52
Let me ask you, Michael, are you guys
35:54
going to do the January 16th, I believe
35:57
they said?
35:58
What are your plans for that?
36:00
Actually, we researched that, Jane, and the headquarters
36:03
for Adidas in the U.S. is in
36:05
Portland, Oregon, I believe.
36:07
So, I don't know if it's possible to
36:11
organise something for the whole country to get
36:16
together in Portland.
36:17
That would be a big ask.
36:18
What about LA?
36:19
What are you going to do, January 16th?
36:22
Are you going to do something January 16th?
36:26
Yeah, we are going to do something.
36:27
We will do something.
36:29
All right.
36:29
Sounds good.
36:30
So, we're just getting a little sense of
36:33
one of the 30 protests.
36:36
What do we know about Portland?
36:39
New information.
36:40
I was not aware that Portland was a
36:42
key location for Adidas.
36:46
Jennifer, what do you think could happen there?
36:51
Well, we talk about it in our meetings,
36:55
but the protesting is up to the protesters.
36:58
We are the people who meet with Adidas
37:03
and strategise over the campaign.
37:06
So, I'll leave that up to Donnie.
37:08
Donnie and I have talked about that before,
37:11
and yeah, it's a possibility.
37:14
Donnie?
37:15
Yeah, I've definitely reached out to activists in
37:19
Portland, and I've put this on their radar
37:21
screen, and I'm following up with them, because
37:23
Portland really would be a key city for
37:27
these protests to take place.
37:28
What are you doing on January 16th?
37:32
I don't disclose when we're having protests in
37:34
New York City, because I want to have
37:37
the ability to get inside of the store
37:39
to demonstrate, and if they know we're coming
37:41
in advance, then they'll have extra security there
37:44
on the lookout for us.
37:45
So, I'm not going to disclose here what
37:48
we're doing and when.
37:49
What's your prediction about what's going to happen?
37:51
Because I have to say, for those who
37:53
may not be aware, Donnie Moss has pulled
37:56
off the impossible, not once, but a dozen
38:00
times, where companies or organisations are completely intransigent,
38:06
no, we go away, we're not going to
38:09
do it, leave us alone, and then because
38:12
Donnie is completely and utterly relentless, they end
38:17
up doing it.
38:18
And so, Donnie, what's your prediction on what's
38:22
going to happen here?
38:23
Well, when Adidas finally joins Nike, Puma, New
38:28
Balance, and Diodora, and announcing a K-leather
38:30
-free policy, it will be because of the
38:33
global campaign organised by the Centre for Humane
38:36
Economy and the global attention brought and organisation
38:39
brought by the Animal Justice Party.
38:42
I mean, in New York City, we're just
38:43
one of many sort of activist groups that
38:46
are holding Adidas' feet to the fire.
38:49
I guess I would say that change, Jane,
38:51
happens in the discomfort zone.
38:53
When Adidas is uncomfortable enough, when their lawyers
38:57
and PR people and security and HR and
39:00
marketing and salespeople have said, you know what,
39:02
it's just not the incremental dollars that come
39:04
in from selling K-leather is not worth
39:07
the disruption.
39:08
That's when they're going to do the right
39:10
thing.
39:10
Sadly, they're not going to do the right
39:11
thing, because they know it's sort of ethically
39:15
the right thing to do.
39:16
They're going to do the right thing, because
39:17
they've reached this tipping point, and it's just
39:20
not worth it to them anymore.
39:21
Well, using the fur analogy, you were very
39:24
involved in, we don't even need to say
39:27
who, a major, major fur designer, who for
39:31
years, people were trying to get him to
39:34
stop using fur.
39:37
And letters and even protests at the stores
39:40
didn't do the trick.
39:42
But what did do the trick was this
39:44
person was being honoured or centre stage at
39:49
the Metropolitan Museum of Art, which is, for
39:52
those who grew up in New York City,
39:53
the pinnacle of high society, you know, the
39:55
Met Gala, the Met Ball.
39:57
When you're at the Met, you've arrived.
40:00
And the disruption that you guys did at
40:04
his event at the Metropolitan Museum of Art,
40:08
where you played sound of fur-bearing animals
40:13
being skinned alive, and took to the stage,
40:16
nonviolent, but confrontational in a nonviolent way, that
40:21
had the people in the audience with their
40:25
jaws hanging down on the floor.
40:28
Well, just about a month after that, guess
40:30
what happened?
40:31
That designer agreed to stop using fur.
40:36
Your thoughts, Donnie?
40:38
Like I said, change happens in the discomfort
40:40
zone.
40:41
This fashion designer, and we're not naming names,
40:44
I guess, was on the stage at the
40:46
Met, you know, being interviewed.
40:49
It was probably a very important moment for
40:53
this fashion designer in his sort of the
40:55
history of his brand.
40:56
And to have probably 25 activists, sort of
41:01
out of nowhere, rise out of their seats,
41:03
jump onto the stage, disrupt, drop a banner
41:06
from the balcony, chant, I mean, it must
41:09
have been so humiliating for him, and so
41:11
upsetting for him to be subjected to that
41:14
experience, and to have to leave the auditorium,
41:17
that he just said, it's not worth it.
41:20
You know, the few extra bucks I make
41:22
from selling real animal fur doesn't, it's not
41:25
worth the potential future protests like this, and
41:28
compromising his reputation like this.
41:32
And so, you know, sadly, it shouldn't have
41:34
to come to that.
41:35
But so often it does.
41:38
So I mean, using that as a template,
41:40
and again, I agree with you, I wish
41:42
that, here's the thing is that people think
41:44
somehow that the activists enjoy being out there,
41:49
you know, and nothing could be further from
41:51
the truth.
41:52
I mean, it's, it's embarrassing to have to
41:55
go do it too.
41:56
You know, I mean, you were in mainstream
41:59
journalism, Jennifer, I was in mainstream journalism.
42:03
I never really envisioned myself.
42:05
Well, I can't say that's true, because I
42:06
was a protester in high school.
42:08
But I didn't envision myself being involved in
42:11
these things.
42:11
But then when I think of these poor
42:13
animals, when I think of these, these innocent
42:17
beings being killed, and then their babies being
42:23
pulled out of their pouches and bludgeoned to
42:25
death.
42:26
I also just like Annie Abram can't sleep.
42:29
And I say, Yes, I'm gonna go there
42:31
and participate.
42:32
So Jennifer, um, where, where do we stand
42:38
as a culture like, yeah, you know, you
42:40
were in mainstream media, why isn't this all
42:43
over mainstream media?
42:44
Why is it that, you know, I'm happy
42:46
that on Shane TV, the world's only vegan
42:48
streaming network, and animal rights streaming network is
42:52
covering this as well as Donnie Moss is
42:54
their turn.
42:55
But we created those.
42:57
And I think I can speak for you,
42:59
media outlets, because the mainstream media is not
43:03
all over the story, which it should be,
43:05
because we're in the midst of the sixth
43:07
mass extinction, we have reduced wildlife biomass globally,
43:13
to just something like 4% of total
43:15
mammal biomass, while we've increased livestock biomass to
43:20
62% of total mammal biomass.
43:24
At the rate we're going, we could literally
43:26
have no wild animals except in zoos within
43:29
the next decade.
43:31
And yet, these companies, and that would trigger
43:34
an ecological collapse.
43:36
I mean, maybe let's do a round robin
43:39
on this.
43:40
Emma, Minister, why is it that people in
43:46
your government, people in the corporate world, is
43:49
money so blinding that they can't see that
43:54
this is an apocalypse for humans too?
43:58
Absolutely.
44:00
And unfortunately, I think, yeah, I think it
44:04
all comes down to money and who's making
44:07
donations to political parties.
44:10
You know, this goes, you know, beyond our
44:12
campaign with kangaroos, you know, the entire animal
44:15
agribusiness industry, and the fact that, you know,
44:19
it's still legal in Australia to have hens
44:22
in battery cages and pigs in sow stores.
44:26
And there's money power, there's voting power.
44:29
And it is very, very difficult, as you
44:32
say, to get these issues into the media,
44:34
because people are really confronted by this.
44:37
They're confronted by these issues when you bring
44:40
them up.
44:41
And it makes it very, very difficult to,
44:44
you know, we'll find journalists that are on
44:47
site that really want to expose this.
44:49
But of course, they also have to look
44:51
into their advertisers and where they're getting their
44:54
advertising funding from, because that's their main source
44:58
of funding for that particular media source as
45:01
well.
45:03
So there's always all of these complications, because
45:06
when you go out onto the street, when
45:07
you go out and actually protest, and as
45:10
you saw in the videos from their term,
45:12
when you actually speak to people in the
45:13
street, they're absolutely horrified by this.
45:16
And it's really hard to get that information
45:18
out there.
45:19
And also, there's often this real blind trust
45:23
from governments, and the fact that the Australian
45:27
government is putting out false messages about what
45:32
is actually happening within this industry, that it
45:34
is so-called sustainable, or that it is
45:38
humane.
45:38
And the video footage that we've seen, and
45:41
when you show anybody on the street that
45:43
video footage, they're absolutely horrified.
45:46
This has got absolutely nothing humane about it.
45:50
And it's certainly not sustainable either.
45:52
So how can they claim that it's humane?
45:55
How can they make that claim?
45:58
I mean, that's the problem.
46:00
A lot of this industry is very, very
46:02
hidden.
46:03
And that's another thing as well, is that
46:05
there's very little footage of exactly what happens.
46:08
It's often done in the middle of the
46:11
night that these animals are being killed.
46:13
It's often happening in rural Australia.
46:16
There's usually one hunter that goes out with
46:18
his gun and his truck.
46:21
So it's very rare that we actually see
46:23
what's actually happening in this industry.
46:26
And quite often, we've actually relied on the
46:28
testimony of hunters themselves about what actually occurs
46:32
within this industry, and the footage that we
46:35
have actually seen.
46:37
One thing that really horrified me was children
46:40
being taken out with these hunters and being
46:43
tasked with bludgeoning joeys to death.
46:47
So I mean, this is absolutely horrific.
46:49
As I said, it's beyond the kangaroo killing
46:52
industry.
46:53
This is something we see with animal agribusiness.
46:56
It's something we see with the fur industry,
46:59
where these industries are still surviving, despite the
47:02
fact that there is so much cruelty.
47:03
And the general population, when you show them
47:06
what's actually happening, are horrified by this.
47:10
And Louise, you had a point you wanted
47:12
to make.
47:13
Yeah, look, the mainstream media in Australia actually
47:17
fully supports the industry and constantly props up
47:21
the myths that the industry and the government
47:23
put out.
47:24
And that is that kangaroos are pests.
47:27
And of course, they're a native animal that's
47:29
lived in harmony with this environment for 20
47:31
million years.
47:32
So they get called pests.
47:35
And then the other myth is that they're
47:37
in plague proportions.
47:38
And we know from even the government's official
47:41
figures that kangaroo numbers are dropping.
47:45
So just the last couple of days, the
47:48
New South Wales government released figures that there's
47:50
500,000 less kangaroos in New South Wales
47:53
than there was last year.
47:55
We have done some anecdotal citizen science projects
47:59
as well, asking people, do you see kangaroos
48:02
in your area?
48:03
And we have people writing in and saying,
48:06
there used to be kangaroos here.
48:08
There's no longer kangaroos in our area anymore.
48:11
And we know that there's localised extinctions of
48:13
kangaroos happening across Australia.
48:16
And we know that localised extinction is a
48:18
precursor to actual extinction.
48:21
So it's really difficult sometimes in Australia to
48:24
have conversations with the general public about the
48:28
need to protect kangaroos, because this myth about
48:31
plague proportions and overpopulation is so strong, and
48:35
it is perpetuated by the media and by
48:39
the government.
48:39
And it is simply not true.
48:42
We have another caller, Joey in Alhambra, your
48:45
question or thought for our panel on ending
48:48
the use of kangaroo leather by Adidas.
48:53
Hi, how's it going?
48:55
Thank you all so much for the campaign.
48:58
I just had a quick question with regards
49:01
to the public's reaction for those who have
49:03
been doing disruptions and outreach to the public.
49:08
What has been their reaction?
49:09
Because me personally, I wasn't even aware that
49:12
Adidas was using kangaroo leather until actually quite
49:17
recently.
49:18
And it was shocking to me.
49:20
So what has been the reaction?
49:22
Thank you.
49:23
Donny?
49:25
Sure.
49:25
First of all, by virtue of the fact
49:27
that you've recently become aware, I hope that
49:29
means that all of us are doing our
49:31
jobs in educating the public about what happens.
49:33
And hopefully that means Adidas is becoming aware
49:36
of the public learning its dirty secret and
49:40
is taking that into account.
49:43
I would say by and large, when we're
49:44
inside the stores or outside the stores talking
49:46
to pedestrians, people are shocked to learn that
49:50
Adidas uses kangaroo skin and are appalled and
49:55
are grateful that we are out there doing
49:57
the work.
49:58
Every so often we'll encounter, because New York
50:01
City is like a tourist capital of the
50:02
world, we do encounter Australian tourists.
50:06
And some of them are aware of the
50:09
kangaroo killing and are appalled that this species
50:13
that's used to promote tourism in Australia is
50:16
killed in the dark of night with the
50:17
government's support.
50:18
You do have a few people though who
50:20
have stopped to speak to us to say,
50:22
to sort of repeat sort of the industry
50:24
and the government rhetoric about how these animals
50:29
are overpopulated and that they're pests.
50:32
I'll say this, look, all of these other
50:35
animals, including kangaroos who are native to Australia,
50:38
they're here on this planet with us.
50:40
They're not here for us.
50:41
If we as a human species want to
50:43
continue to reproduce, then we need to figure
50:46
out how to live in harmony with other
50:49
species who have every bit as much a
50:51
right to live in peace as we do.
50:55
Well said.
50:57
I mean, the sad fact is that we
51:00
regard any, any, any animal who in any
51:05
way, shape or form just causes any kind
51:08
of what we consider an inconvenience to be
51:11
a pest.
51:12
And in a lot of cases we're using
51:14
toxic chemicals to kill them.
51:18
And then it goes up the food chain
51:20
and it's not just the rats who also
51:23
have a right to live and who are
51:25
a part of the ecosystem, but then it's
51:26
the birds who eat the rats and die.
51:29
And then it's the other animals.
51:31
So the poison goes all the way up
51:32
the food chain, right here where I live
51:35
in Venice area of California.
51:38
I see the black boxes and I complain
51:41
against them, but you know, we're so short
51:44
sighted.
51:44
It's just so much about our own convenience
51:47
and, oh, there are people who hate squirrels.
51:50
There are people who get angry if you
51:52
feed the seagulls or the pigeons a couple
51:55
of nuts.
51:56
I mean, our speciesist attitude is going to
52:00
kill us.
52:00
It really is going to kill us.
52:02
Do you see any evolution, Emma, in the
52:05
way people are approaching this issue?
52:09
Because obviously kangaroos and koala bears are the
52:14
image that people have when they think of
52:16
Australia.
52:18
They think kangaroos and koalas.
52:20
They're not going there to see people.
52:22
They're going there to see the wildlife.
52:23
If you kill all the wildlife, you've killed
52:25
the most attractive part of your country.
52:31
Absolutely.
52:32
And as I say, you know, the Australian
52:34
people are mortified when they hear what's actually
52:37
happening in this industry.
52:39
And look, we are getting there.
52:41
The fact that so many companies have already
52:43
pulled out from using kangaroo skin, the fact
52:46
that there is a bill up in the
52:48
US to ban the importation, the fact that
52:52
California already has a ban, the fact that
52:54
New York is now looking at banning the
52:57
importation and sale of kangaroo body parts.
53:00
It proves that we're getting there.
53:02
It proves that message is out there.
53:06
And as you said, you know, Donnie Moss
53:07
is absolutely relentless.
53:09
And I think everyone involved in this campaign
53:11
is absolutely relentless.
53:13
You know, we're not going to go anywhere
53:14
until we win this.
53:15
We're not going to allow these animals to
53:19
be continually bludgeoned and murdered.
53:22
We're going to keep fighting on this and
53:24
we're going to make sure that this industry
53:27
no longer exists.
53:29
Wow.
53:29
Well, I think it's a, I hate to
53:32
say it, but it's almost like a mathematical
53:34
formula.
53:36
When it becomes more expensive to the company
53:40
to have the offensive product, then it's just,
53:45
okay, this is costing us too much money.
53:47
I mean, it's sad, but that is really
53:50
what it boils down to.
53:51
What do you think, Jennifer?
53:52
Well, we're calling them out.
53:54
Okay.
53:55
They're telling their board members, they're telling all
53:58
of their supporters, they are telling everyone who
54:03
buys an Adidas product that what they do
54:06
is sustainable and humane.
54:08
They are lying.
54:09
This campaign is extremely strategic.
54:13
It's not just all about protest.
54:17
And so we have, I'm asking everybody here
54:25
because they're obviously very in tune and interested
54:29
in participating.
54:31
Go online and tag Adidas, tag them, let
54:35
them know how you feel.
54:36
But more importantly, we do have the Kangaroo
54:38
Protection Act in Congress right now.
54:41
Call, just pick up the phone and call
54:44
your representatives from your state.
54:46
Tell them who you are and say, please
54:48
co-sponsor the Kangaroo Protection Act.
54:51
We're doing a lot of things behind the
54:53
scenes we can't talk about.
54:54
I had some really exciting news about something
54:56
last night.
54:57
Can't share it here, unfortunately, but we're going
55:01
to win this.
55:04
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org or .com?
55:08
.org.
55:09
Okay.
55:12
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.
55:14
This is what we need to visit.
55:20
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.
55:22
Visit it, get involved.
55:25
Kangaroosarenotshoes.org.
55:27
I want to thank everybody for being a
55:30
part of this conversation.
55:31
Thank you, Annie Abram and Michael Fujimori for
55:34
suggesting this interview.
55:37
It's been absolutely fascinating.
55:39
I will be there January 16th with whatever
55:42
you decide to do.
55:45
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