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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Full NFL Draft Analysis & Reaction: Bears, Chiefs, Raiders, 49ers, Cowboys · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 2: All right, John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout you know him
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Speaker 2: from the volume. Let's chop it up for about forty
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Speaker 2: five minutes on the NFL Draft. I'm gonna start with
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Speaker 2: the one thing that generally like. I think when I
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Speaker 2: watch Brett Veach of Kansas City, I can see his
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Speaker 2: game plan. I know what he's trying to do. Same
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Speaker 2: with John Snyder. John Lynch, to me is a mystery.
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Speaker 2: I don't really get his draft patterns. They tend to
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Speaker 2: overdraft wide receivers, and I think what's fair to say
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Speaker 2: is that if you look at the Rams and the Seahawks' rosters,
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Speaker 2: they just have more good, young, cheap, deep athletic talent,
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Speaker 2: and I think that's because they've drafted better. I think
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Speaker 2: Lynch has had some real misses. Again, sometimes I wonder
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Speaker 2: if Kyle's pulling the levers there. I got nothing against
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Speaker 2: the wide receiver they drafted, but I struggle kind of
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Speaker 2: figuring out their draft. You follow them as closely as
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Speaker 2: any team in the NFL. You have your finger on
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Speaker 2: the pulse of what they do over the draft weekend.
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Speaker 4: Well, you brought up Veach and John Schneider. Veach runs
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Speaker 4: the draft for Andy. You know when they drafted Woods
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Speaker 4: at the end of the first round. Andy said, that's
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Speaker 4: Veach's guy, John Schneider, like Howie Roseman is in charge.
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Speaker 4: John Lynch is not Kyle is. And there is not
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Speaker 4: a coach beside McVeigh on Thursday night that looks more
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Speaker 4: miserable to be there like Kyle. This isn't a root canal.
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Speaker 4: There is the draft. This is not I don't feel
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Speaker 4: he enjoys this, and they kind of force needs right
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Speaker 4: the wide receiver. I texted a lot of people he
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Speaker 4: was the guy that was a fast riser. I think
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Speaker 4: a lot of people thought he would go around pick fifty,
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Speaker 4: not pick thirty three. The Niners don't pick until fifty eight.
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Speaker 4: They don't think he's gonna be there. The one thing
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Speaker 4: I will say, as a GM or as a coach,
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Speaker 4: you're not paid to win free agency or the draft.
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Speaker 4: You're paid to win games. And Kyle Shanahan went twelve
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Speaker 4: and five and beat Nick Seer and Howie Roseman in
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Speaker 4: the first round of the playoffs. So their greatest strength
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Speaker 4: is Kyle Shanahan, and I think sometimes their greatest weakness
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Speaker 4: in when it comes to late April in this draft
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Speaker 4: is they're not gonna pick a wide receiver that does
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Speaker 4: not block that they simply or has after the catchability.
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Speaker 4: Those are two non negotiables. So there are guys that
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Speaker 4: are viewed as higher prospects or more talented, right, but
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Speaker 4: are non negotiables for Kyle. So it's you don't even
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Speaker 4: once you get into this process and you start stacking guys.
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Speaker 4: There are players that you might like or think could
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Speaker 4: be a really good NFL player that you know, Kyle
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Speaker 4: is just not gonna mess with. And that's and he's
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Speaker 4: so he's good enough. You know, this is where you
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Speaker 4: kind of butt head sometimes, like you're not good enough
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Speaker 4: to dictate my players, Kyle kind of is this all
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Speaker 4: this specific draft? I don't have as big of an
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Speaker 4: issue with reaching in the second and third round. There
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Speaker 4: were Indiana running back Black. Every time I watch Indiana,
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Speaker 4: the guy was awesome. Now could he have gone in
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Speaker 4: the fifth? You take him at the end of the third.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't bother me as much as long as you
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Speaker 4: win games.
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Speaker 3: See.
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Speaker 2: So I do think that Shanahan in certain coaching matchups
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Speaker 2: like Nick Siani, it's he has a massive advantage. But
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Speaker 2: when you put him against McVeigh and Mike McDonald in
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Speaker 2: division and they have better rosters because they've hit on
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Speaker 2: more draft picks. That's where I think Kyle can get exposed.
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Speaker 2: That's where San Francisco at the end of the year.
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Speaker 2: That's why they have so many old, expensive players. I
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Speaker 2: mean they they would love to draft one of these
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Speaker 2: you know, young stars in the fourth round like La
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Speaker 2: does or or you know John Snyder does, and they
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Speaker 2: could move off people. So I think Kyle. Remember they've
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Speaker 2: also had losing seasons with Kyle. They haven't been as
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Speaker 2: you know, they haven't been as kind of linear or
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Speaker 2: as consistent as the Rams have. So I think, yeah, Kyle,
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Speaker 2: in a lot of matchups in this league, wins on schemes,
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Speaker 2: but it's hard to do against mcveay and Mike McDonald.
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Speaker 2: And if we're just talking into when I look at
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Speaker 2: their roster compared to the Hawks and the Rams, it
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Speaker 2: feels older, more brittle, more expensive, and there's more holes
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Speaker 2: some of.
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Speaker 4: That's the one thing is they are Last year, they
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Speaker 4: were coming off of bad year, so they had the
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Speaker 4: eleventh pick, so they were drafting high in every round.
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Speaker 4: Mikel Williams was a twenty one year old six foot five,
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Speaker 4: two hundred and eighty pound blue chip err out of
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Speaker 4: Georgia that towards ACL last year. They're really high on him.
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Speaker 4: They took Collins from Texas in the second round, who
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Speaker 4: had the game winning strip against the Rams on Thursday
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Speaker 4: Night Football that forced the fumble on the one yard
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Speaker 4: line against Kierwin Williams, who was a Robert Soahl of
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Speaker 4: favorite up in Stout, who they drafted last year was
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Speaker 4: one of the better young nickels in the entire league.
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Speaker 4: They're really high on that class where they drafted high.
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Speaker 4: This class, they're drafting at the end of the first round,
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Speaker 4: meaning they're drafting at the end of the rounds, and
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Speaker 4: they won a bunch of games last year, so they
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Speaker 4: didn't have powerful picks. I'm not as consumed with the
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Speaker 4: reaching and stuff once you get past fifty in a
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Speaker 4: draft that this is not your typical market value, you know,
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Speaker 4: because this draft was viewed as so poor. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I talk to people in the league. I know you do.
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Speaker 4: They thought it was pretty embarrassing once you got to
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Speaker 4: like the fifth round. I mean, if you would have
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Speaker 4: told everyone to go home, everyone would have been good.
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Speaker 4: I think the forty nine ers were polarizing. They're the
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Speaker 4: only team really Colin, you say they've had bad seasons.
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Speaker 4: They've had one bad season, like the last five they
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Speaker 4: went to a bunch of NFC championship games, they went
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Speaker 4: to the super Bowl, and then last year they were
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Speaker 4: in the second round and they ran out of bodies.
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Speaker 4: But if they're gonna make a run, they're very dependent
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Speaker 4: on five or six guys, and they're all Trent Williams,
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Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Fred Warner, Nick Bosa. I mean
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Speaker 4: they went into a playoff game last year against the
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Speaker 4: super Bowl champs without Fred Warner, who's a Hall of
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Speaker 4: Fame player. Nick Bosa's now pretty is but technically their
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Speaker 4: highest paid player. McCaffrey was kind of worn down, and
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Speaker 4: Kittle tours achilles early in that game, or I guess
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Speaker 4: he tear in the Eagles game. I can't even keep
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Speaker 4: up with your injuries. You know, it's like they're not
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Speaker 4: gonna win anything. Just like if I took Seattle, if I,
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Speaker 4: if I took Witherspoon, if I if I do you
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Speaker 4: know they were missing cross. If you start taking some
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Speaker 4: of their players away, it is it is more difficult.
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Speaker 4: So I to me that they have a much longer
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Speaker 4: track record like the Jacks one great season and in
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Speaker 4: this draft, people are like, what are they doing? Yeah,
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Speaker 4: they don't. Their resume is not long enough because I know,
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Speaker 4: going into a season, I got Kyle Shanahan, I got
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Speaker 4: pretty you know if Fred Warner Georgia healthy with Trent
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Speaker 4: like I'm a double digit wine team, I'm not. I'm
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Speaker 4: not as worried, I guess as the internet is.
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Speaker 2: With their So the one team that I'll defend, I
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Speaker 2: wish they would have drafted an edge rusher higher. The
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Speaker 2: Chicago Bears went and got in the third round Zavian Thomas.
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Speaker 2: So Xavian Thomas. Even in the NFL, very few guys
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Speaker 2: run four two forties. That's just incredibly rare. That maybe
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Speaker 2: eight guys in the NFL, I'm guessing. But so he
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Speaker 2: was a not only was he a receiver lsue, he's
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Speaker 2: a very good return guy. And you know, if you're
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Speaker 2: a Bears fan, memories of Devin Hester. So people just
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Speaker 2: thought it was a terrible pick and might take his No.
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Speaker 2: Not with Ben Johnson, it's not a terrible pick. You
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Speaker 2: have to consider Mike McDonald is going to take Nick
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Speaker 2: Am and worry and he's going to be a star
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Speaker 2: as a rookie Nick am On Morey would be a
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Speaker 2: good player anywhere. He was a great player with Mike McDonald,
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Speaker 2: So coaching absolutely matters. Sean mcvays turned, you know, fifth round,
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Speaker 2: pooka fourth round, Kieran Williams, you know, tight ends from
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Speaker 2: any round.
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Speaker 3: He just makes everybody work.
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Speaker 2: It's so it's interesting Howie Roseman has this theory where
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Speaker 2: he says, if you landed every position of need, if
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Speaker 2: you solved every position of need, you probably reached, or
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Speaker 2: you probably settled, or you probably didn't consider value, Like,
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Speaker 2: you're not going to solve everything in a draft, because
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Speaker 2: you know, I think Chicago, you know, we've talked about this.
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Speaker 2: I think the Rams wanted to draft an offensive tackle
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Speaker 2: and three of them were off the board, and so
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Speaker 2: they're like, okay, plan B.
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Speaker 3: Maybe not.
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Speaker 2: But so the Chicago draft, it clearly Ben Johnson's got
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Speaker 2: incredible leverage in that building. Is that how you viewed
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Speaker 2: that draft, which was heavy offense.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean their first pick was the Oregon safeties.
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Speaker 4: Who's a plug in place?
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Speaker 3: And that was a position of need. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And their second pick, I mean they just had a
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Speaker 4: center retire out of nowhere. I would imagine if he
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Speaker 4: hadn't retired. Are they drafting the Iowa center in the
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Speaker 4: second round. Probably not, but Iowa Kirk Farns long history.
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Speaker 4: When I see an Iowa offensive lineman go in the
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Speaker 4: first couple rounds, I go, that's a future starter. So
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Speaker 4: I judge this draft much more in the top fifty, like,
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Speaker 4: I think you can get picked. It's harder for me
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Speaker 4: in the fourth round of a draft that is literally
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Speaker 4: considered historically poor, historically poor, well, Joseph the NIL because
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Speaker 4: of the returning like Xavi and Thomas. That's like, if
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Speaker 4: you're drafting offensive players, Ben Johnson's gonna have a huge
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Speaker 4: hand in it.
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Speaker 2: Well, and I think sometimes fans you have to remember
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Speaker 2: if Ben Johnson with an offensive player is different than
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Speaker 2: Demiko Ryans. But Demiko Ryans makes everybody every defensive draft work,
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Speaker 2: every defensive draft. I'll give you an example. The NIL
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Speaker 2: has clearly hurt the later rounds, like round six and seven.
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Speaker 3: I didn't watch. I draft tracked it, but I didn't watch.
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Speaker 2: But the fifth round was interesting because I thought Kamari
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Speaker 2: Ramsey was the first player taken in the fifth round
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Speaker 2: by the Texans, and I watched, you know, every big
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Speaker 2: snap of his career. He can definitely play in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: He'll be a nice player, but he may be exceptional
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Speaker 2: because of Demiko Ryans. There was another player drafted in
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Speaker 2: that fifth round midway through named Justin Jolie, tight end
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Speaker 2: NZ State. He went to Sean Payton in Denver, and
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Speaker 2: I looked at the fifth round, watched it and not though, Okay,
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Speaker 2: those are the two guys in the fifth round. In
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Speaker 2: the fifth if I had to lay down money the
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Speaker 2: first pick of the fifth midway through it, they will
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Speaker 2: contribute pretty early. Those are the two fifth round pick
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Speaker 2: and overwhelmingly their talented. I watched both of them. It's
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Speaker 2: because of the coach. Sean Payton's gonna make tight ends work.
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Speaker 2: So that's where all defend Ben Johnson And to your point,
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Speaker 2: I look at their draft.
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Speaker 4: Looks pretty good. Colin I mean Fiaman and a lot
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Speaker 4: of people liked him. Jones, I mean Iowa offensive linemen
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Speaker 4: speak for themselves. I think Rausch was kind of the
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Speaker 4: polarising well the tight end from.
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Speaker 2: John He lets them do more thirteen personnel because they
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Speaker 2: have come Matt in Loveland. He wanted another tight end
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Speaker 2: because he McVeigh and Ben Johnson. You know that's what
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Speaker 2: The Rams led the league in three tight end stuff.
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Speaker 2: So I could see Ben doing that simply to diversify
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Speaker 2: the offense.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Malik Muhammad, the Texas corner, was thought if he
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Speaker 4: loved played well against Ohio States, loved him to me.
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Speaker 4: The tight ends. I think more tight ends were drafted
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Speaker 4: in twenty six, the most in the league since like
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Speaker 4: two thousand and two. And that shows you all these
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Speaker 4: offensive coaches, what do we say a couple of years
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Speaker 4: ago when the running backs all hopped on a zoom
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Speaker 4: and like, we're getting screwed, we're getting factored out of
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Speaker 4: the league. Well, what's back now the running game? Because
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Speaker 4: you're using three tight ends to be more physical, some
12:06
Speaker 4: of those guys are gonna lean in as six offensive
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Speaker 4: linemen essentially. And even if you're not a great blocker,
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Speaker 4: if you weigh two hundred and fifty pounds, if you
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Speaker 4: just put your body in front of the guys, you
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Speaker 4: gonna you're gonna be somewhat effective. And a lot of
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Speaker 4: these teams now run more of a zone running scheme.
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Speaker 4: You ever watch zone blocking, They're not shoving guys back,
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Speaker 4: they're just position blocking. So I don't know who's crushed.
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Speaker 4: I like the Bears. The Bears draft for sure. I
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Speaker 4: mean that that Texas corner when he went I'm like, god,
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Speaker 4: he's still there in the fourth round. And me he
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Speaker 4: was really productive the roush one. I just think some
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Speaker 4: of these tight ends were polarizing picks. All you know,
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Speaker 4: the rams will get into winners and losers later. You go,
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Speaker 4: do you really need a tight end? Like that's stuff
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Speaker 4: like that jumps out. But to me with the Bears
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Speaker 4: Cole Comet last year when they took Lovelin, I think
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Speaker 4: most people thought, well, is Cole Comett? Is he long
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Speaker 4: for this team? He could be the equivalent of Dj
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Speaker 4: Moore this year, like this could be his last year
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Speaker 4: on the Bears. And then you utilize him to trade yeah,
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Speaker 4: you know, get a pick and well the hair defense
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Speaker 4: or offensive linehill.
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Speaker 3: So here is something I learned from me now I
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Speaker 3: Cole Coman.
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Speaker 4: I got he's an NFL star who's going to play
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Speaker 4: in the league for twelve years.
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Speaker 3: You no, I know, Cole. I love Cole. So here's
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Speaker 3: what I think.
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Speaker 2: The really good teams also draft. They see the problem
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Speaker 2: before it exists. In a great example, so Tyler Higbee
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Speaker 2: is a tight end for the Rams who gets banged
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Speaker 2: up a lot, and he's now getting more expensive. So
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Speaker 2: I looked at the Rams taking the Ohio State tight end, thinking, well,
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Speaker 2: they got Tarren Ferguson, they love Colby Parkinson, they have
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Speaker 2: Davis Allen at Clemson. Higgby's the one guy that's expensive
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Speaker 2: and struggles to stay on the field. And with Matt
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Speaker 2: Stafford getting a new contract, they're looking to shave. If
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Speaker 2: you can't stay on the field for seventeen weeks, they're
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Speaker 2: gonna move off you because they're trying to find ways.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's with Trent McDuffie's salary, Stafford's now going
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Speaker 2: to get a deal. My take, John was that tight
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Speaker 2: end draft was another weapon, and this kid's more of
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Speaker 2: a pass catcher than a blocker.
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Speaker 3: He is classic.
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Speaker 2: You know, he's a great Sean McVay tight end. The
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Speaker 2: kid from Myles State, he's a Sean McVay tight end.
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Speaker 2: He's gonna get up the field. But some of this
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Speaker 2: now is like they went and got another offensive tackle.
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Speaker 2: And by the way that you noticed the Rams offensive
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Speaker 2: tackle was like twenty five years old. They don't care
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Speaker 2: if his ceilings high. They want him to be able
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Speaker 2: to play now and next year and the following year
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Speaker 2: to protect Matt Stafford. So I looked at the Rams
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Speaker 2: draft saving a little money for Stafford's contract, protecting Stafford,
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Speaker 2: and then getting Stafford's backup. He's thirty eight years old.
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Speaker 2: It's not going to grade well. But they they're favored
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Speaker 2: doing the Super Bowl. They're more in protect one. One
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Speaker 2: pick has helped Matt, the other is Matt's backup. The
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Speaker 2: other is protect Matt Stafford. That's what the draft felt
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Speaker 2: like for me.
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Speaker 4: I think we have to agree though the I mean,
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Speaker 4: the most polarizing pick of the draft by a mile
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Speaker 4: was Ty Simpson. Yes, and rightfully so. But who I
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Speaker 4: don't know. Did you see the clip of John Lynch
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Speaker 4: on Thursday night when he was asked about it. He
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Speaker 4: was so he was like overjoyed because imagine it. It's like, well,
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Speaker 4: they don't need pass rushers. What if I told you
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Speaker 4: they drafted ruben Bain to rotate with that unit, You'd
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Speaker 4: be like, holy shit. Ask John Schneider, I would imagine,
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Speaker 4: would you rather have them got the guard from Penn
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Speaker 4: State ruben Bain or what they did? They would have
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Speaker 4: definitely signed up for that and I think my biggest
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Speaker 4: issue with the whole thing is I hear a lot
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Speaker 4: about the Packers, right, the Packers have been doing this forever.
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Speaker 4: Would they have drafted Aaron Rodgers if they were picking
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Speaker 4: thirteen that year instead of twenty four? I doubt it. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: they didn't draft Jordan Love at pick thirteen. They took
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Speaker 4: him twenty seven. And both those guys, I mean, Aaron
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Speaker 4: Rodgers probably has the greatest combination I don't quite remember
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Speaker 4: peak l Way besides, like the Netflix documentary, but of athleticism,
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Speaker 4: arm strength, and accuracy that I've ever seen. And Jordan Love.
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Speaker 4: You know, he's a people argue over him, but he
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Speaker 4: clearly is a trait based, big arm guy can move
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Speaker 4: a little bit. That is not the case here. And
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Speaker 4: even besides, you know, McVeigh sold it pretty good the
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Speaker 4: next day about like I was in a bad mood
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Speaker 4: over something else. He's got a massage that he just saw.
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Speaker 4: He knows the floors what they went through with Rogers.
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Speaker 4: Even though Matt's probably less prickly, it's still we're all
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Speaker 4: human beings. Yeah, you just you just you just want
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Speaker 4: me to mentor this guy, I just don't think he
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Speaker 4: was talented enough to pick in that spot is my entire.
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Speaker 2: I think some people disc I didn't think he was
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Speaker 2: a first round pick. I didn't think Jackson Dart was, though,
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Speaker 2: so I have to settle down. I thought Jackson was
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Speaker 2: more to Jackson Dart went.
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Speaker 4: In the mid twenties. Like there was a big difference
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Speaker 4: in a first round, in a good first round, thirteen
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Speaker 4: and twenty four, twenty five in a bad first round.
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Speaker 4: I mean that there were multiple elite You know, Reuben
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Speaker 4: Bain and the Penn's offensive guard are viewed as guys
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Speaker 4: that can be pro bowlers, right. I would imagine maybe
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Speaker 4: they won't be, but I would say universally if you
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Speaker 4: just pulled people around the league, those guys upside as
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Speaker 4: a player is to be a high end player. It's like, well,
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Speaker 4: he could be like a version of brock Purty. Well,
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Speaker 4: part what Charlie you know, Charlie Munger you know? And
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Speaker 4: the financial people always say that part of hitting big
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Speaker 4: is to take advantage of the downturns. Right, the fortunes
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Speaker 4: are made in the downturns and collected in the upturns.
17:28
Speaker 4: Part of brock Purty is they paid nothing for him.
17:31
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson or Dak Prescott. They paid this guy went
17:36
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17:40
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17:43
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Speaker 4: And that's that's the argument. And then and then let's
17:49
Speaker 4: I mean, they had to walk it back the reaction.
17:53
Speaker 4: We're all human beings, we're seeing it. We're like, God,
17:55
Speaker 4: is this is a little weird. And I don't even
17:56
Speaker 4: blame less because there's always a balance of thinking big picture.
18:01
Speaker 4: But Stafford, wouldn't you say that Stafford Rogers did this
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18:18
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18:20
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18:23
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18:26
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18:29
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18:32
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18:35
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20:17
Speaker 2: and the Raiders. Obviously they're bad teams, so they can
20:20
Speaker 2: get six starters. I thought Cleveland's first five picks will
20:23
Speaker 2: all start. I thought I thought Andrew Berry. You know
20:26
Speaker 2: it's I like Stefanski. I like Andrew Berry. I don't
20:29
Speaker 2: like the owner. I think he's impulsive. I think he
20:31
Speaker 2: screwed him on Johnny Manziel and Deshaun Watson. But I'll
20:35
Speaker 2: tell you I thought, if I had to say, what
20:38
Speaker 2: draft could pop, what team could you look at in
20:43
Speaker 2: two years and go, holy shit, look at that draft?
20:46
Speaker 3: I think it's the Raiders.
20:48
Speaker 2: First of all, Fernando Mendoza is going to change the
20:52
Speaker 2: trajectory of the franchise. They go take Stukes, the safety
20:57
Speaker 2: from Arizona, who's in effing baller.
21:01
Speaker 3: He is a like violent safety.
21:05
Speaker 2: Now he's had an injury, he can do slot, corner, safety,
21:10
Speaker 2: trading sis. He's a first day starter. They have a
21:14
Speaker 2: safety first day starter. Then they get McCoy from Tennessee, who,
21:19
Speaker 2: if he stays healthy, is the steel of the draft.
21:22
Speaker 2: They also get Mike Washington, who I watch enough college football,
21:26
Speaker 2: in the fourth round. Is not a good running back
21:28
Speaker 2: draft and he's not a juke make you miss guy.
21:31
Speaker 2: But if you told me the second or third best
21:33
Speaker 2: running back in this draft went to the Raiders, he'll
21:37
Speaker 2: be He'll be the opposite of Ashton genty, big physical,
21:41
Speaker 2: straight line runner, not gonna make people miss. I thought
21:45
Speaker 2: the Raiders crushed. I think between Mendoza, between those two
21:49
Speaker 2: defensive backs. Again, if they stay healthy, they're huge talents.
21:55
Speaker 2: I think Washington out of Arkansas. I like he may
21:58
Speaker 2: be the second best back in the draft. He'll be
22:00
Speaker 2: after Gent. He's the off speed pitch, just a big, physical,
22:04
Speaker 2: fine hole, goes straight downhill. I think spy Tech John
22:09
Speaker 2: spy Tech the GM of the Raiders.
22:11
Speaker 3: John.
22:13
Speaker 2: I thought he did about as well as you can
22:15
Speaker 2: do because they're unlike Cleveland or maybe the Jets. They
22:19
Speaker 2: don't have a million holes. They've got a tight end,
22:21
Speaker 2: They've got a back after the first pick. They have
22:24
Speaker 2: a quarterback, they have a left tackle, they have some pieces.
22:28
Speaker 2: I like they have a center, Linderbaum. They have the
22:30
Speaker 2: kid from Oregon. I think it's Jpp the guard.
22:33
Speaker 3: They have some piece. Yeah, they're not bereft of talent.
22:39
Speaker 3: I thought the Raiders draft was amazing.
22:41
Speaker 4: Why. I think one thing we learned in the Joe
22:44
Speaker 4: Douglas Sola era is they drafted all these good players
22:48
Speaker 4: and they never had a quarterback, and it was a nightmare.
22:51
Speaker 4: And if you look at Cleveland and the Jets. Really
22:54
Speaker 4: the last Cleveland's draft last year was excellent. Yeah, their
22:57
Speaker 4: draft this year on paper looks excellent. The Jets now
23:00
Speaker 4: part of it. Bill Simmons made a good point. He's like,
23:04
Speaker 4: they're drafting all these good players because they traded good
23:06
Speaker 4: players to get these first round picks. They don't have
23:09
Speaker 4: three first round picks out of thin air. But the
23:12
Speaker 4: Raiders got the most important guy in the draft. For
23:15
Speaker 4: all these teams that don't have quarterbacks, So even if
23:17
Speaker 4: they still do have some holes, and they just look
23:20
Speaker 4: at all the guys they signed in free agency, the
23:22
Speaker 4: majority of them were on defense, and then Crosby because
23:25
Speaker 4: of the Box trade comes back. I mean Crosby last
23:28
Speaker 4: year was good. That was the reason. At the end
23:30
Speaker 4: of the year, they're like, stay away Max. They pulled
23:32
Speaker 4: an NBA thing because he almost won the Houston Texans
23:36
Speaker 4: game late in the season by himself. I texted a
23:38
Speaker 4: buddy on the Texans staff, He's like, I don't know
23:39
Speaker 4: if I ever seen a guy play that hard. So
23:42
Speaker 4: I think the whole key and this is gonna be
23:44
Speaker 4: the conversation next year with all these quarterbacks. If Mendoza
23:48
Speaker 4: does become Matt Ryan or Jared Goff the Raider. I mean,
23:52
Speaker 4: look at what they became somewhat of a stable franchise
23:54
Speaker 4: with Derek Carr, who was a second round guy. And
23:58
Speaker 4: so if Mendoza becomes for Matt Ryan, this becomes a
24:02
Speaker 4: real franchise. Like to me the rest of the draft, Like,
24:06
Speaker 4: I'm with you on the Stukes kid, he's like six
24:08
Speaker 4: year walk on. A lot of these guys, you go
24:11
Speaker 4: to their bio, they'd either been at seven different schools
24:14
Speaker 4: or they came into school in twenty twenty, like this
24:16
Speaker 4: was John twenty six.
24:18
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting about these older players because the
24:20
Speaker 2: nil so they stay in college. Some of these guys
24:23
Speaker 2: take pay cups going to the pros. The downside is
24:26
Speaker 2: they're not going to be around as long the NFL
24:28
Speaker 2: guys are like, these guys are beat up. They played
24:29
Speaker 2: five years college football. The upside is, John, they're ready
24:32
Speaker 2: to play. When I watched it ready when I watched
24:35
Speaker 2: the Hoosiers and Hurricanes play in the National Championship, the
24:38
Speaker 2: offensive game plan by Indiana was it felt almost like
24:42
Speaker 2: fifty percent pro game plan, multiple sets, motions everywhere. Football
24:46
Speaker 2: didn't look like that in the seventies eighties, nineties and
24:48
Speaker 2: I watched Miami's defense. It was split zone, man to man,
24:51
Speaker 2: nine NFL guys. The quality of college basketball and football,
24:56
Speaker 2: there's twenty four year olds all over the field.
24:58
Speaker 3: You can feed him more. Now.
24:59
Speaker 2: The downside, they come to the NFL older and beat up.
25:02
Speaker 2: But like the Raiders went and got guys. I mean,
25:04
Speaker 2: the Rams drafted an offensive tackle. It's like twenty five.
25:08
Speaker 2: And my take is he has to protect Matt Stafford
25:11
Speaker 2: this year. They don't care if he plays for thirteen years.
25:14
Speaker 2: If they got six, they would live with it.
25:17
Speaker 4: I saw McVeigh joke that the kid had been in
25:19
Speaker 4: seventeen different schools, and I mean he was kind of joking,
25:21
Speaker 4: kind of serious because some of these guys, I mean,
25:23
Speaker 4: the guy the Niners took stribbling at Ole Miss. He
25:27
Speaker 4: started at Washington State, then went to Oklahoma State and
25:29
Speaker 4: went to Lane kiffn Yes. I was telling someone this week,
25:32
Speaker 4: and I can't even imagine, as someone that just attended
25:35
Speaker 4: one college, how could you keep up with that many
25:38
Speaker 4: human beings in your life? And I am I and
25:41
Speaker 4: I get the money's huge for a lot of these guys.
25:44
Speaker 4: It's you know, it's it's a big move. I know
25:46
Speaker 4: some people in California that now go to school in
25:48
Speaker 4: the SEC. It's hard to just you gotta have some
25:51
Speaker 4: self confidences to pick up and move and meet start over.
25:54
Speaker 2: Uh.
25:54
Speaker 4: But back to the Mendoza thing, to me, he's the
25:58
Speaker 4: whole key to the franchise. If he becomes a top
26:01
Speaker 4: ten quarterback, they are just off and running. We saw
26:05
Speaker 4: the Bucks for years with Jason light They clearly had
26:07
Speaker 4: a bunch of good players on the team, but they
26:09
Speaker 4: had no quarterback. That's kind of the league. And that's
26:12
Speaker 4: the thing with the Jets. Honestly, they might be too good.
26:16
Speaker 4: Now now they're gonna have three picks. You can win
26:19
Speaker 4: five six games and be drafting tenth. You know, look
26:23
Speaker 4: at the Chiefs. They had a awful They were drafting ninth.
26:26
Speaker 4: So in a world where they're just a bad team
26:28
Speaker 4: with no Patrick Mahomes, they would have been shit out
26:31
Speaker 4: of luck this year. And we all think and all
26:34
Speaker 4: these quarterbacks are coming next year. You just never with nil,
26:38
Speaker 4: I'm never confident in saying year to year what a
26:40
Speaker 4: draft's gonna look like.
26:41
Speaker 2: Yep, anymore, you know, John Kansas City, So I thought
26:46
Speaker 2: the Raiders kind of won the draft. Plus my theory
26:49
Speaker 2: has always been when I do my Monday show after
26:51
Speaker 2: the draft, I always take your top two to three
26:54
Speaker 2: free agent picks in your top three college picks. I
26:57
Speaker 2: have no idea whose fifth round pick is good. I
27:00
Speaker 2: thought the Raiders and the Chiefs were great. I thought
27:03
Speaker 2: Brett Veach. I mean, sometimes you get lucky. So they
27:06
Speaker 2: needed a running back, they needed a corner, a defensive
27:10
Speaker 2: tackle on an edge. They got all of them, and
27:12
Speaker 2: there's an argument they got the best corner, the best
27:15
Speaker 2: defensive tackle, and then the best free agent running back.
27:18
Speaker 2: Now they didn't get early a right tackle. So my
27:23
Speaker 2: take is like the Bears were their defensive ends and
27:26
Speaker 2: their rush ends. The Bears Ben Johnson said, we have
27:28
Speaker 2: to coach better. We have some guys in house we like.
27:31
Speaker 3: They're young.
27:32
Speaker 2: Kansas City, my take is they liked Jalen Moore because
27:37
Speaker 2: they went and got the Niner backup behind Trent Williams.
27:39
Speaker 2: And my take is sometimes we don't know in house
27:42
Speaker 2: what a team likes, so Kansas City is like, no,
27:44
Speaker 2: we're good with him.
27:46
Speaker 3: We need to go running back.
27:47
Speaker 2: Cornerback Chris Jones had an off year defensive tackle. By
27:52
Speaker 2: the way, that Clemson guy six months ago, people thought
27:55
Speaker 2: he was a top ten pick.
27:57
Speaker 4: Top five. I mean, if he would be one of
27:59
Speaker 4: the best defensive players in the country.
28:01
Speaker 2: So I look at the Kansas City Chiefs and I thought,
28:04
Speaker 2: running back, corner, defensive tackle, edge. If they like Jalen
28:07
Speaker 2: Moore at right tackle, they're back to me in the
28:09
Speaker 2: Super Bowl bubble.
28:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the corner is viewed as easily one
28:14
Speaker 4: of the best players in this draft. I mean just
28:16
Speaker 4: plug and play outside corner. And you and I talked
28:19
Speaker 4: about this on Thursday. Financially, there was a huge swing
28:23
Speaker 4: between him and McDuffie. His comps kind of McDuffie, well,
28:26
Speaker 4: one guy's making five six million, the other guy's making
28:29
Speaker 4: thirty million dollars a year, so they had to make
28:30
Speaker 4: a financial decision.
28:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
28:32
Speaker 4: The other thing is a double whaemy with their two
28:34
Speaker 4: defensive linemen, because our Mason Thomas from Oklahoma, Oklahoma was
28:38
Speaker 4: arguably the best defense in the country.
28:39
Speaker 3: No, dude, that dude.
28:40
Speaker 2: I had a GM text me and he said, Hey,
28:43
Speaker 2: your buddy Veach just got a starter.
28:46
Speaker 3: He's like, that guy's a stud.
28:48
Speaker 4: So they got and Peter Woods, who I think a
28:51
Speaker 4: lot of people think underachieved. I'd argue the program underachieved,
28:55
Speaker 4: and I think most guys doing this A long time
28:57
Speaker 4: ago is I remember talking to Peter's to Washington GM
29:01
Speaker 4: about who Funga and he said, most times, when you
29:04
Speaker 4: this is at the time when USC was in shambles,
29:06
Speaker 4: and if you went into the program when a program
29:09
Speaker 4: is losing games, and especially a Marque program, everyone kind
29:12
Speaker 4: of points the finger and everything's negative and most players
29:16
Speaker 4: are not able to rise above it. He's like, who
29:18
Speaker 4: Funka did? You couldn't get anyone in the bad It's rare,
29:20
Speaker 4: like Caleb Downs, if he was on a program that
29:23
Speaker 4: was awful, you wouldn't find anyone that would say negative
29:25
Speaker 4: things about it. But most guys are, and I don't
29:28
Speaker 4: mean this in a negative are followers. Most young people are.
29:31
Speaker 4: So when you get him in a program, Clemson wasn't
29:33
Speaker 4: shambles this year. So all these guys look at every
29:36
Speaker 4: time I looked up third round fit, another Clemson guy,
29:39
Speaker 4: Another Clemson guy, How did this team win seven games
29:41
Speaker 4: in the ACC? They should have been total because talent wise,
29:45
Speaker 4: I bet a lot of NFL people would say, if
29:48
Speaker 4: they just reach their potential, they should have been there
29:50
Speaker 4: right there with Miami now club Nick was bad. That
29:52
Speaker 4: was a huge part of it. But Peter Woods, like,
29:55
Speaker 4: you get him with Chris Jones, it's a double whimmy.
29:59
Speaker 4: He gets to walk watch a Hall of Famer and
30:01
Speaker 4: it kind of motivates the Hall of Famer. Yeah, and
30:03
Speaker 4: then our Mason Thomas is not really needs much motivation,
30:08
Speaker 4: So you get these two guys to go with Chris Jones,
30:11
Speaker 4: with Mason, they get a lot of juice and energy
30:14
Speaker 4: coming from their defense. And this is where good offensive
30:18
Speaker 4: coaches like they easily could have pulled the trigger on
30:22
Speaker 4: an offensive lineman with their high pick and is the
30:25
Speaker 4: court is the play caller, right, And they just went
30:28
Speaker 4: their three first picks that were what uh two in
30:32
Speaker 4: the first round. Obviously one was like forty So you
30:34
Speaker 4: had three picks in the top forty one in the
30:36
Speaker 4: top tip all defense. And it doesn't even feel like
30:39
Speaker 4: they hesitated making those moves. So but that's where you know,
30:43
Speaker 4: coach read for how many coaches in this modern day
30:46
Speaker 4: football that are in their mid sixties, who's just an
30:49
Speaker 4: absolute legend would just be like Beach gets to run it,
30:53
Speaker 4: you know, And that's that that you know, Pete was
30:56
Speaker 4: a push and pull with that obviously Belichick wouldn't listen
30:58
Speaker 4: to a soul. You know, that's a power in Kansas
31:01
Speaker 4: City that their coach is not this ego maniac when
31:05
Speaker 4: it comes to personnel acquisition. Because personnel people that they
31:08
Speaker 4: spend twelve months a year doing this, You just spend
31:12
Speaker 4: like two months a year doing this.
31:14
Speaker 2: Well, there's two teams that I thought did well, but
31:16
Speaker 2: it wasn't as sexy. The Chargers, for their eight picks
31:19
Speaker 2: were offensive linemen. I love that they just attacked the
31:22
Speaker 2: big weakness. The Cowboys five of their seven picks were
31:25
Speaker 2: defensive players. They went and got three edges. And it's
31:28
Speaker 2: really interesting Cleveland did this where Cleveland picked two receivers,
31:32
Speaker 2: three offensive linemen, two tight ends in a week draft.
31:36
Speaker 2: The Cleveland's just like, we're just going to fix our
31:38
Speaker 2: offense for the next quarterback that comes into this place
31:41
Speaker 2: that's not named Schitar Sanders. You know, the Chargers are like,
31:44
Speaker 2: it's not a great draft, but we're going to just
31:46
Speaker 2: give Justin Herbert. We're going to get the edge. Okay,
31:49
Speaker 2: We're going to go get an edge that was our
31:51
Speaker 2: number one need. Then we're just gonna go offensive line.
31:55
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, the Cowboys were interesting. There
31:58
Speaker 2: was part of me during the draft that thought they're
32:02
Speaker 2: almost drafting to prove a point because they got so
32:05
Speaker 2: much criticism for Micah Parsons. It's almost like they're drafting.
32:09
Speaker 2: You watch our pass rush this year, we're going to
32:11
Speaker 2: be just good. I mean they went their second pick.
32:14
Speaker 3: In the first round.
32:15
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest about it. He's not gonna
32:17
Speaker 2: he won't play that many snaps this year. Like he's
32:20
Speaker 2: a second round pick. Everybody in the league knows.
32:22
Speaker 3: Nick Saban got caught in hot Mike Nick was right,
32:24
Speaker 3: he's a second round pick. But I will defend it.
32:26
Speaker 3: When you have overshown rasa Gary, you went and got
32:31
Speaker 3: another Woundiams, Quinton Williams, Kenny Clark on interior. But to me,
32:35
Speaker 3: after the Caleb Downs pick, you just do whatever whatever
32:39
Speaker 3: you want because you found your center fielder. So Dallas,
32:41
Speaker 3: Chargers Cleveland just went one side of the ball. And
32:44
Speaker 3: I think in a week draft and you're just like, guys,
32:47
Speaker 3: we have to solve a primary issue. I thought, Dallas,
32:52
Speaker 3: I'm gonna defend Dallas after that first I think the
32:55
Speaker 3: steal of the draft was Caleb Downs. I thought that
32:58
Speaker 3: was the steal of the draft.
33:00
Speaker 4: There's last night, I was going around watching some of
33:03
Speaker 4: the different press conferences that there is not a press
33:05
Speaker 4: conference in the league around draft time that looks remotely
33:08
Speaker 4: close to the Cowboys because they got four people up
33:12
Speaker 4: there on the dais and Jerry, even if it's not
33:15
Speaker 4: his question, he's chiming in when the other guy ends it.
33:18
Speaker 4: But he does make some good points, and one of
33:22
Speaker 4: them simply was because he's very candid, he's very transparent
33:25
Speaker 4: with his thoughts. He said, we got very lucky. They
33:28
Speaker 4: got many considered, if not the best player, one of
33:31
Speaker 4: the top two or three players in this draft, that
33:33
Speaker 4: pick eleven. You know, there weren't many people when the
33:35
Speaker 4: draft started that that Caleb Downs wouldn't go in the
33:38
Speaker 4: top piece.
33:39
Speaker 3: I mean stational, he'll be a pro bowler, what year, two, three?
33:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he could be an immediate pro bowler.
33:46
Speaker 4: And the other point Jerry had is, obviously, we were
33:50
Speaker 4: terrible on defense last year. We couldn't even get lined up.
33:54
Speaker 4: And the one thing this guy does, like John Stockton
33:57
Speaker 4: or Chris Paul, he's gonna run point guard back there
34:00
Speaker 4: until everyone what to do. Immediately. I watched some of
34:03
Speaker 4: his press conference. He starts immediately thanking his family. His
34:07
Speaker 4: sister's in medical school. So it's like you're getting this
34:10
Speaker 4: blue chip athlete who comes who clearly comes from an
34:14
Speaker 4: academic family. Like, no wonder, everyone loves this guy. He's brilliant,
34:19
Speaker 4: but he's a great player at a position that is
34:22
Speaker 4: very cerebral. But you also have to have the athletic ability.
34:26
Speaker 4: I just think the Cowboys, you're just not gonna see
34:29
Speaker 4: very often. Part of it is placed safety, but they
34:32
Speaker 4: there's no way when the draft started in a million
34:34
Speaker 4: years that Caleb Downs would have been on their team
34:37
Speaker 4: if they only had to trade up one spot. If
34:39
Speaker 4: you say, hey, the Cowboys got Caleb Downs and be like, oh,
34:41
Speaker 4: they probably went up to six, you know, or made
34:44
Speaker 4: a big move so you get that guy. And I
34:48
Speaker 4: knew a lot of people the UCF defensive lineman was
34:52
Speaker 4: a guy rising the ranks because physically he met a
34:55
Speaker 4: lot of the requirements and you put him around a
34:58
Speaker 4: lot of other you know, they have so many defensive linemen.
35:01
Speaker 4: Now I'm high on the Cowboys this year. I think
35:05
Speaker 4: he easily could be a playoff team. If you tell
35:07
Speaker 4: me Dak play seventeen games. They got a lot John
35:10
Speaker 4: reinforcements and if Caleb Downs is immediately like rookie of
35:13
Speaker 4: the Year type guy, to me, they're a ten to
35:16
Speaker 4: eleven win team.
35:17
Speaker 2: John the other day on the air on the Herd
35:19
Speaker 2: on FS one I put, I said, the Cowboys actually
35:22
Speaker 2: have better high end talent, but they don't have is depth,
35:26
Speaker 2: Like they don't have anybody anybody behind Jake Ferguson. There's
35:29
Speaker 2: only two tight ends in the NFL that had eighty
35:31
Speaker 2: catches and like six touchdowns. Jake Ferguson was one of them.
35:34
Speaker 2: I put him as their tenth best player, like Dallas
35:37
Speaker 2: has I didn't even put over shown in their top
35:40
Speaker 2: ten because he's not available enough. They have really good players,
35:43
Speaker 2: but they just added the steal of the draft and
35:47
Speaker 2: multiple edge rushers. So you know, I thought one of
35:50
Speaker 2: the surprise portions of last season was Brian Schottenheimer. I
35:55
Speaker 2: mean that literally. He was not on anybody's board to
35:57
Speaker 2: hire as an OC the Cowboys, even the head coaching job.
36:01
Speaker 2: John I thought he had. I mean, my bad, I
36:04
Speaker 2: thought he was pretty competent.
36:06
Speaker 4: Well, if you just look at that division right Washington,
36:08
Speaker 4: his new coordinators, their head coach does not call plays Sirianni.
36:13
Speaker 4: He doesn't have an easy job because they got a
36:15
Speaker 4: lot of personalities. But he can not call place. And
36:18
Speaker 4: the Giants head coach is a CEO. I mean, say
36:20
Speaker 4: what you want about Shot Nimer. He can just call
36:23
Speaker 4: an offense, right. I mean, I guess it was a
36:26
Speaker 4: long time ago now, but when he was with the Jets,
36:28
Speaker 4: he was a very hot names. He's a good offensive
36:31
Speaker 4: play caller. So I'm high on the and the Chargers.
36:35
Speaker 4: We talked about on Thursday night. Messador. If he was
36:38
Speaker 4: a couple of years younger, I think he might have
36:40
Speaker 4: gone in the top like fifteen. So that's that's an
36:43
Speaker 4: excellent thing. He put him with Khalil Mack, Derwin James.
36:47
Speaker 4: I saw the goat kind of viral of Mike McDaniel,
36:52
Speaker 4: you know, pounding the table for the Mississippi state wide receiver.
36:55
Speaker 4: They already have Trey Harris. You know they drafted the
36:58
Speaker 4: UNC running back last year. You get the two tackles back.
37:01
Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be a lot of pressure on
37:03
Speaker 4: Harbonn Herbert to be And this is the AFC in general,
37:07
Speaker 4: like the Bengals. If you tell me their first round pick,
37:09
Speaker 4: Dexter Lawrence second round pick, cash Is Howell. I watched
37:11
Speaker 4: a lot of A and M. Their offense was very
37:14
Speaker 4: hit or missed, but that defense was and he felt
37:16
Speaker 4: like he was Von Miller, so you put him. Last
37:19
Speaker 4: year they took Shamar Stewart, who cash Is Howell's you
37:22
Speaker 4: know text A and M guy. They added Mafe from Seattle, like,
37:26
Speaker 4: they have some reinforcements on defense as well. If Joe
37:29
Speaker 4: Burrow plays seventeen games, yeah, they're one my pick to
37:33
Speaker 4: win that division. Yeah right now because the defense should
37:35
Speaker 4: be dramatically improved in Their offense could be a top
37:38
Speaker 4: three or four offense.
37:39
Speaker 3: In the league. Yeah.
37:40
Speaker 4: The you know, it's AFC stacked.
37:45
Speaker 2: Jesus, it is absolutely still. You know it's here in Chicago.
37:50
Speaker 2: People are like, what did you think of our draft?
37:52
Speaker 2: And I'm like, listen, you're a really good team. And
37:55
Speaker 2: I'm sometimes I'm like, I just trust if you go
37:58
Speaker 2: heavy offense, I trust Ben Jonson And I've said this
38:00
Speaker 2: for years. Just McVeigh is going to take fourth rounders
38:03
Speaker 2: and make him play like second rounders.
38:05
Speaker 3: So I trust you.
38:15
Speaker 2: You know, one of the players drafted, I'm not a
38:18
Speaker 2: big Carson Beck guy. I think he's a really good
38:20
Speaker 2: college player. I don't think he's an NFL quarterback. Arizona
38:23
Speaker 2: picked him. I didn't love Arizona's draft. I mean, Miami
38:27
Speaker 2: had so many picks. I think it'll be a good draft.
38:29
Speaker 2: I just I don't know about a couple of their picks.
38:32
Speaker 2: I thought Caleb Douglass to me, was overdrafted. Caden Proctor
38:35
Speaker 2: was overdrafted. But they have so many picks that Miami
38:38
Speaker 2: probably found five six starters. They went heavy tight end,
38:42
Speaker 2: wide receiver, offensive line. Like, I totally get it. What
38:46
Speaker 2: do you think, I mean, because you live in Arizona.
38:50
Speaker 2: Arizona's got some really good offensive pieces. Is Carson Beck
38:55
Speaker 2: gonna play for them?
38:56
Speaker 3: You think?
38:58
Speaker 4: Well, Jacobe was good to at the end of the season,
39:01
Speaker 4: and he's currently holding out because he wants his contract guaranteed.
39:06
Speaker 4: Minshew was a fun story years ago. I mean anymore, No,
39:10
Speaker 4: and not on a bad team. So it wouldn't shock
39:15
Speaker 4: me if Carson Beck's gonna play half this season for sure. Now,
39:19
Speaker 4: there was a report I think Breer put in about
39:21
Speaker 4: the loner comment. Obviously, this stuff in Georgia got weird.
39:25
Speaker 4: I did think he played pretty well down the stretch
39:28
Speaker 4: for Miami and he's really more of a game manager,
39:32
Speaker 4: like that's kind of his game. And in the Lafleur
39:35
Speaker 4: McVeigh Shanahan, it's a pretty quarterback friendly operation. Jeremiah Love,
39:41
Speaker 4: Trey McBride. If Marvin Harrison can ever do anything like
39:45
Speaker 4: you said that, they do got some firepower. James Connor
39:49
Speaker 4: still on the team. They signed the Falcons former running back.
39:54
Speaker 4: But that division, I mean, they are that they got
39:58
Speaker 4: a long way to go. It wouldn't shock me if
40:00
Speaker 4: they're a team this year, like the trade deadline is,
40:04
Speaker 4: you know, the Buddha Baker types like it's and it
40:06
Speaker 4: just started kind of transitioning the way to kind of
40:09
Speaker 4: with the Jets in Cleveland kind of went full rebuild
40:11
Speaker 4: this year.
40:12
Speaker 2: So there are four new playoff teams minimum every year,
40:18
Speaker 2: seven potentially. So I think you and I see Cincinnati
40:23
Speaker 2: as a team that is.
40:25
Speaker 4: A new I would take them to win the North.
40:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have.
40:28
Speaker 2: I would say I have the New York Giants. I've
40:30
Speaker 2: been high on the New York Giants and I thought
40:32
Speaker 2: they added three starters, So I'm gonna before the New
40:35
Speaker 2: York Giants. So I would go Cincinnati New York Giants.
40:47
Speaker 4: It gets tough I'd probably go Cowboys right down instead
40:50
Speaker 4: of the Giants. The Giants to me might be a
40:53
Speaker 4: year away. I saw man Jeanie. He had a comment
40:56
Speaker 4: that's you might be able to sack the quarterback, but
40:59
Speaker 4: what if the other team he was running at every play?
41:02
Speaker 4: They don't exactly have you know, part of losing Dexter
41:05
Speaker 4: Lawrence is he was so important to hold up like
41:11
Speaker 4: three guys as Brian Burns and Cavaon and those guys
41:13
Speaker 4: are running around their defensive tackle unit. Now, in theory,
41:17
Speaker 4: it's should be like guards and centers. You should be
41:19
Speaker 4: able to find some bodies just to kind of throw
41:22
Speaker 4: in there. But that's not That's sometimes easier said than done.
41:26
Speaker 4: I might like them a year from now more than
41:29
Speaker 4: I do right now, where I think the Cowboys are
41:31
Speaker 4: a little bit more ready now. Obviously Harbob you know,
41:35
Speaker 4: knows what he's doing. I just wonder, Yeah, we still
41:38
Speaker 4: got a lot to learn about Jackson Dart. Like I
41:41
Speaker 4: I they definitely have a lot of talent on the team.
41:44
Speaker 4: One team Colin I like is the Saints.
41:48
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that the Saints team really.
41:52
Speaker 4: Good offensive line. Shuck. I mean, he's twenty five twenty
41:57
Speaker 4: six years old, ready to roll. He looked good last
41:59
Speaker 4: year they at ETN. Like one team I'm kind of
42:02
Speaker 4: out on this year is the Jags. I think they
42:05
Speaker 4: come back to earth a little bit. They lose ETN.
42:07
Speaker 4: You know Jordan Tyson, I know a couple of coaches
42:10
Speaker 4: with that staff look. I thought it was a little
42:12
Speaker 4: bit of a risky pick. But if he is something
42:15
Speaker 4: for them with a lave with ETN, with the quarterback,
42:18
Speaker 4: with the offensive line. Their big question mark is defense,
42:22
Speaker 4: like how good can they? But their division is Carolina
42:27
Speaker 4: is actually not bad.
42:28
Speaker 2: Dan.
42:28
Speaker 4: I thought Dan Morgan's drafting pretty well too. But the
42:31
Speaker 4: thing that I'd like Tyler Schuck more than I do
42:33
Speaker 4: Bryce Young.
42:34
Speaker 3: I like Detroit Drew Petsing.
42:36
Speaker 2: I said this Arizona last year was like top ten
42:39
Speaker 2: on third down, top ten in scoring with Jacoby Brissett.
42:42
Speaker 2: I think their offensive coordinators clever. He goes to Detroit
42:45
Speaker 2: where they went Ben Johnson, Johnny Morton. I think they
42:48
Speaker 2: kind of rearrange the deck chairs and their coaching staff.
42:52
Speaker 2: So I would say to me, the four teams we've
42:54
Speaker 2: talked about that are going to make the Okay, I
42:56
Speaker 2: like Cincinnati, New York Giants Detroit.
42:59
Speaker 3: You like that.
43:02
Speaker 4: I throw the Saints in there, They'll probably mighty and
43:04
Speaker 4: you're in Europe again on the Saints. Okay, Well, one
43:07
Speaker 4: team I could see flip flopping a little bit is
43:12
Speaker 4: I do think this coach is good. It's Shane Steiken
43:15
Speaker 4: and this team look like a real team. Oh God,
43:18
Speaker 4: D Jones just solid. CJ. Allen the Georgia linebacker, I
43:23
Speaker 4: love that guy, immediately great. And your guy Ballard. I
43:28
Speaker 4: would say the position he's nailed the most over his
43:30
Speaker 4: decade is linebacker. I mean, how many times has he
43:33
Speaker 4: taken a linebacker? Passed the first round and that guy
43:36
Speaker 4: becomes a stut. I think CJ. Allen immediately plug and play.
43:40
Speaker 4: They have good offensive weapons. It's all gonna come down
43:43
Speaker 4: to the quarterback, who I think the contract and it's
43:47
Speaker 4: it's a little funky, but if he's healthy and he plays.
43:50
Speaker 4: I don't know. Eighty eighty five percent of what we
43:52
Speaker 4: saw last year they were eight and two, So to me,
43:56
Speaker 4: the Texans are I mean, our legitimate Super Bowl can tender.
44:00
Speaker 4: If CS just solid, I think Indy could. It could
44:04
Speaker 4: supplant Jacksonville. They could flip flop a little bit. I
44:06
Speaker 4: just think, Yeah, the Travis Hunter thing got weird fast.
44:10
Speaker 4: You know what position is he gonna play?
44:12
Speaker 2: Is?
44:12
Speaker 4: How good is he going to be at corner? Do
44:14
Speaker 4: they have enough firepower on offense? You lose etn who's
44:18
Speaker 4: been really Trevor's right hand guy for a long time agoing,
44:21
Speaker 4: you know, dating back to college. So I think Indy
44:24
Speaker 4: could be a team that and I know they they
44:27
Speaker 4: haven't won the division or made the playoffs now for
44:29
Speaker 4: a while, but uh, that's let me add one.
44:32
Speaker 2: Let me add one more because there's at least four
44:34
Speaker 2: new playoff teams. So we have one, two, three, four, five, six,
44:37
Speaker 2: Let me and seven? Your seven you got you know,
44:41
Speaker 2: you got seven each conference, fourteen total. Kansas City Chiefs.
44:45
Speaker 2: So if I had, if I told you you have
44:47
Speaker 2: to pick four teams to make the playoffs that didn't,
44:50
Speaker 2: I would go Chiefs, Cincinnati, Detroit, and Giants. So those
44:56
Speaker 2: would be my four. Yours would be Cults, Saints, Dallas.
45:01
Speaker 2: Who's your fourth?
45:04
Speaker 4: I don't, yeah, I I don't to me the Colts,
45:07
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say. I would feel more confident with Detroit
45:11
Speaker 4: because Minnesota transitional period, I mean that defensive tackle. I
45:15
Speaker 4: don't know what your people said. People are like, WHOA,
45:17
Speaker 4: that's a bold move and that, but that's I text.
45:22
Speaker 4: A lot of people said, Kevin O'Connell and Flores are
45:25
Speaker 4: running that room. They don't have a GM, so in
45:29
Speaker 4: the quarterback position is more. We'll see what Kyler Murray.
45:31
Speaker 4: JJ's basically phased out Green Bay for a big transitional
45:36
Speaker 4: period right now. Yeah, just in terms of roster. So
45:39
Speaker 4: it's it's pretty right for Detroit to get right back
45:42
Speaker 4: in because they have all their core guys coming back.
45:44
Speaker 4: They just draft an offensive lineman, plug and play him.
45:46
Speaker 4: They move sewell over. They do have some good defensive
45:49
Speaker 4: pieces that you need to stay healthy. But I Cincinnati
45:53
Speaker 4: is a team that I don't even think could just
45:54
Speaker 4: make the playoffs. If you told me they won thirteen games.
45:57
Speaker 4: I think it could be really really good. I think
45:59
Speaker 4: that vision Pittsburgh, I'm gonna talk about this on my podcast.
46:03
Speaker 4: Their front offices what they used to be for a
46:06
Speaker 4: long time. I mean, most of my life is not
46:08
Speaker 4: viewed that way anymore. No, Baltimore, pretty big roster transition
46:12
Speaker 4: as well, a bunch of new coaches, you know, trying
46:15
Speaker 4: to resurrect what we saw last year with Lamore Cleveland
46:18
Speaker 4: obviously isn't very good, but they're like a sneaky bad
46:21
Speaker 4: team because they could beat you on a given week.
46:25
Speaker 4: To me, since he's I feel pretty confident about them winning.
46:28
Speaker 4: The Saints a little bit more of a flyer just
46:30
Speaker 4: because Kellen Moore year two, But they're they're a team
46:33
Speaker 4: under the radar a little bit, I think for sure.
46:38
Speaker 4: All Right, what did you think of the Drew Aller
46:42
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Steeler pick?
46:44
Speaker 3: So I.
46:47
Speaker 4: I am.
46:48
Speaker 2: I've always had this belief John that if you're a
46:51
Speaker 2: really good coordinator, you're not going to stay any place
46:54
Speaker 2: for ten years because you're gonna want to run your
46:57
Speaker 2: own show, right, And so Omar Kahn was like in
47:01
Speaker 2: the building for a long time. You know, I think
47:05
Speaker 2: if you're a real go getter, I think you leave
47:08
Speaker 2: the building. And so I don't look at the Steters
47:12
Speaker 2: front office as elite.
47:14
Speaker 3: I just don't.
47:15
Speaker 2: I think they played it safe with Mike McCarthy as
47:17
Speaker 2: a higher who I don't think.
47:18
Speaker 3: Is a disaster, but it's a safe play. They don't.
47:22
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of reports they don't want
47:24
Speaker 3: to go backwards.
47:26
Speaker 2: You know. Drew Aller is kind of the classic There
47:29
Speaker 2: is something to be said about just having instincts. I
47:32
Speaker 2: remember years ago people like this Christian Hackenberg out of
47:35
Speaker 2: Penn State, and I said on the air it was
47:37
Speaker 2: probably the meanest thing I ever said. But I'm like,
47:41
Speaker 2: he cannot play in the NFL. I watched him play
47:43
Speaker 2: ten times in college. He is not a professional. He
47:46
Speaker 2: doesn't have the instincts or the feel for the position. Well,
47:48
Speaker 2: it was a you know, I don't know what happened
47:50
Speaker 2: to the kid, but it didn't work. Drew Aller is
47:53
Speaker 2: one of those guys. I just don't see the instincts.
47:55
Speaker 2: He's a big kid, he can move a little, He's
47:57
Speaker 2: got a big arm. Now if he gets the right
47:59
Speaker 2: coach and it works with Mike McCarthy is a very
48:02
Speaker 2: good offensive coach, really helps quarterbacks. But I when I
48:05
Speaker 2: watched him play, I just didn't There's a there's something
48:08
Speaker 2: about guys that just have a feel. It's like in
48:11
Speaker 2: our business or you know, it's like you can go
48:14
Speaker 2: to law school, but if you don't have the confidence,
48:16
Speaker 2: then stand in front of a jury.
48:18
Speaker 3: Some people.
48:19
Speaker 2: My first boss out of college was a legendary Las
48:22
Speaker 2: Vegas attorney and I asked him once, you know who
48:25
Speaker 2: was the toughest attorney he went against. And he mentioned
48:28
Speaker 2: him and he said, you know, he's got charisma, he
48:30
Speaker 2: can sway people. And I forget the name of the attorney.
48:34
Speaker 2: Jim Rogers, the late Jim Rodgers was my first boss.
48:37
Speaker 2: His son, Perry Rodgers is a very successful agent, Shax agent.
48:41
Speaker 2: He was on ra Agassi's best friend. Very smart guy,
48:44
Speaker 2: smart family. And Jim Rodgers his dad was just a brilliant,
48:49
Speaker 2: brilliant man. He owned multiple He was a lawyer, and
48:53
Speaker 2: that he bought sun Belt Broadcasting. People could look it
48:55
Speaker 2: up if they cared. But I taught I one time
48:58
Speaker 2: went into his office and asked him about you know
49:00
Speaker 2: law and who who are the great lawyers? And he
49:03
Speaker 2: mentioned this guy and he was a good looking Vegas
49:05
Speaker 2: guy and he said he could just women loved him.
49:08
Speaker 2: He could just swear a jury. And there is in
49:11
Speaker 2: every profession. Steve Jobs, was he the best engineer at Apple? No,
49:16
Speaker 2: he could sell, he could see his visionary, he could
49:19
Speaker 2: sell his product. I feel the same way about quarterbacks.
49:23
Speaker 2: There is an instinctive feel to it. Some guys, just
49:27
Speaker 2: like like when I watched Mahomes, he just has a
49:30
Speaker 2: feel when to go. He just knows and and and
49:36
Speaker 2: then there's other guys who I like, but they I
49:38
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, we talked about this, certain guys
49:41
Speaker 2: can't see the damn field. You know, they just can't
49:44
Speaker 2: see the field. Other guys see the entire.
49:47
Speaker 3: Field, and I just don't Drew Hollur to me, I
49:49
Speaker 3: just felt like just something was missing.
49:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, to me, he's your classic historic It's been happening forever.
49:56
Speaker 4: You know, he's six four sixty five, he can move,
49:59
Speaker 4: he's got the huge arm. In the biggest moment of
50:02
Speaker 4: his career, he threw right to Notre Dame for no
50:04
Speaker 4: reason in a game that they should have walked right
50:07
Speaker 4: into the National Championship. And then this year was a
50:09
Speaker 4: disaster before he got injured. And I just think that
50:14
Speaker 4: we have a long list of guys because if he
50:16
Speaker 4: just walked through a room, you'd be like, that guy's
50:19
Speaker 4: a quarterback, right, that guy looks like a quarterback. But
50:23
Speaker 4: then when it's a tie game, you know, in the
50:25
Speaker 4: third quarter against a foe. He played on a team
50:28
Speaker 4: two years ago that was multiple NFL running back I
50:33
Speaker 4: mean defense was NFL players, multiple both coordinators, making three
50:38
Speaker 4: million dollars. It's as good as he got in college
50:41
Speaker 4: beside a couple of teams, and he lost them their
50:44
Speaker 4: biggest game by far, in their two playoff games. When
50:47
Speaker 4: you look back, they played SMU and they played Boise,
50:49
Speaker 4: So it's not like, you know, it's not like they
50:51
Speaker 4: were running through some big time teams and then they
50:54
Speaker 4: finally got a foe with equal talent and he crumbled
50:57
Speaker 4: in the biggest moment. I'm sure he's a good guy.
51:00
Speaker 4: I'm with you. You know, when you look at Nussmeyer,
51:03
Speaker 4: who doesn't nearly have the physical gifts, but when he
51:07
Speaker 4: was healthy, he just has a much better feel. You know,
51:09
Speaker 4: it's like it's like a cousin's or a deck. Those
51:11
Speaker 4: guys have never been as gifted as most guys in
51:13
Speaker 4: the league, but they're just they understand the position because
51:17
Speaker 4: the position obviously Josh and Mahomes, but most guys in
51:22
Speaker 4: the history of the league are not Elway and Rogers.
51:24
Speaker 4: You get a lot of good quarterbacks. You know, Drew
51:26
Speaker 4: Brees probably had a bottom ten arm in the league
51:28
Speaker 4: his entire career. But his understanding is knowledge. Yeah, his
51:32
Speaker 4: ability to think under pressure. That's the other thing I think,
51:35
Speaker 4: as you're fatigued, what's Jimmy Johnson's think fatigue makes cowards
51:38
Speaker 4: of us all in the fourth quarter, a lot of
51:41
Speaker 4: guys screw up because it's your your sucking wind. The
51:45
Speaker 4: schematics are going up against are crazy, and I just
51:49
Speaker 4: I was like, what, why even waste a pick on that?
51:53
Speaker 4: There's a ton of other quarterbacks I would have taken
51:55
Speaker 4: if you're gonna go in the third round. Yeah.
51:57
Speaker 2: The one guy I liked, Cade club Now from Clemson.
52:00
Speaker 2: He doesn't really push the ball down the field. He
52:02
Speaker 2: doesn't have a power arm. He moves pretty well.
52:06
Speaker 3: You know, he's in took.
52:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's another guy that I actually if I had
52:09
Speaker 2: to take a quarterback in the third, fourth, fifth round,
52:12
Speaker 2: it would have been k Clubnick. He moves real well,
52:15
Speaker 2: great high school program. He doesn't have a huge arm.
52:19
Speaker 2: But I think to your point earlier on this podcast,
52:22
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of good players at Clemson.
52:23
Speaker 2: I think the culture something was wrong last year, like
52:27
Speaker 2: everybody underachieved. It was almost like a disease within the program.
52:31
Speaker 2: Something didn't Where I saw them play a half, I
52:34
Speaker 2: think it was against Syracuse.
52:35
Speaker 4: They they were a tough watch. They were a tough one.
52:38
Speaker 2: They just got bulldozed by Syracuse in the half. I
52:43
Speaker 2: apologize if I'm wrong, but I think it was a Saturday,
52:45
Speaker 2: early afternoon, and I'm like, what they're getting destroyed by
52:50
Speaker 2: Syracuse personnel. So I club nick to me is it
52:53
Speaker 2: may be a career backup spot starter, but I think
52:55
Speaker 2: there's something there.
52:57
Speaker 4: One thing that jumped out to me is watching all
52:59
Speaker 4: these guys I'm off the board from that program is
53:03
Speaker 4: Dabo has He's getting crushed for the transfer portal, like
53:07
Speaker 4: he doesn't use it. He's clearly recruiting pretty well. He's
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Speaker 4: doing a pretty good job. What if his message and
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Speaker 4: whatever his secret sauce is just gone, and isn't the
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Speaker 4: time maybe for him to for change. Like if you
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Speaker 4: told me Florida had hired him or one of these
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Speaker 4: other big programs, I'd be like, he's gonna just I
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Speaker 4: would say, light a fire of energy, passion and bring
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Speaker 4: you talent. Now. Part of it could just be in
53:32
Speaker 4: a day and age where coordinators bounce around. He had
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Speaker 4: venables for a decade. Who's obviously one of the best
53:38
Speaker 4: defensive minds in the sport in Tony Elliott, who I'm
53:42
Speaker 4: pretty sure Virginia just gave a contract extension to who
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Speaker 4: I think was also there for basically a decade. Pretty
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Speaker 4: rare in this day and age, because since those guys
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Speaker 4: have gone, his program is kind of crumbled. But it's
53:54
Speaker 4: not because they're going into these games under man. I mean,
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Speaker 4: if anything, he's going into this team they played probably
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Speaker 4: on their schedule beside Miami. He has a dramatic talent advantage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I think they're they're listen. This happened
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Speaker 2: to Bobby Bowden. He lost Mark Rick on his staff,
54:12
Speaker 2: and he, you know, he lost a couple of coaches
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Speaker 2: on his staff and for a few years, Chuck a
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Speaker 2: Motto I think was the other guy.
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Speaker 4: Lost in his staff was a defensive coordinator.
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, and he just like he just wasn't
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Speaker 2: you know. They and he was older in age, and
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Speaker 2: it's hard. You don't quite have the energy. And back
54:26
Speaker 2: then there was no nil so you had to go
54:28
Speaker 2: beat the bushes for players in a high school.
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Speaker 3: So it happens.
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Speaker 2: I've seen it my entire life. I mean, I covered
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Speaker 2: Mike Bolotti forever at Oregon, and he lost Jeff Tedford
54:36
Speaker 2: and there was a drop, and you know, here comes
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Speaker 2: Chip Kelly and there's a Serge. So, by the way,
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Speaker 2: Chip Kelly now is my neighbor again in Manhattan bea,
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Speaker 2: he was my neighbor.
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Speaker 3: He lives around the corner. I'm not going to give
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Speaker 3: the address, but he's right around the corner.
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Speaker 4: How far away do you live from Northwestern?
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Speaker 3: Fifteen minute drive beautiful.
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Speaker 4: I didn't realize Northwestern was that close to you when
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Speaker 4: I was out there. Is it just north of you?
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Speaker 3: No, it's south of me toward the city.
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Speaker 4: Is the city south of you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I live in one neck. If you go
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Speaker 2: south of me, it's will Matt Kenilworth. I think Evanston
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Speaker 2: Rogers Park City.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Jerry new Heizel out there too, or he couldn't quite.
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Speaker 3: Afford that neighborhood. Yeah, I'm not Chip spin around. Chip
55:20
Speaker 3: has some of that NFL buy out money doing well. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: good to see anybody see you.
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