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DOORS OF PERCEPTION | CHRIS MATHIEU · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: that one. So with that down, we have with us
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Speaker 1: today making his triumphant return here to talk with this
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Speaker 1: about his brand new documentary, Doors of Perception. Chris Matthew,
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.
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Speaker 2: How's it going, my friend, writer? Thank you so much
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Speaker 2: for having me back. It's been a little while. I'm
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Speaker 2: ready to once again get weird with you, baby.
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Speaker 1: That's right, always getting weird. So what inspired you to
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Speaker 1: make this documentary and what inspired you to name it
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Speaker 1: the Doors of Perception? Because perception is a really interesting word.
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Speaker 1: I think in our perceptions of since we've been doing
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Speaker 1: the show, I mean, my thoughts and ideas and believes
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Speaker 1: have changed rapidly for the past, you know, five years
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Speaker 1: since I've done this. How long have you been in
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Speaker 1: this space in doing.
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Speaker 2: Your show, Chris Face, I mean Forbidden Knowledge News started
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Speaker 2: as a Facebook blog in like two thy fourteen or
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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, and then like twenty sixteen was a YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: But I started you know, digging into all this stuff
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Speaker 2: really about twenty twelve and it was all downhill from there.
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Speaker 2: So I've been I've been in here for a little bit.
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Speaker 1: So roughly around ten years or so. How has your
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Speaker 1: perceptions before we get into the beat the documentary here,
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Speaker 1: how has your perceptions of the things that you cover
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Speaker 1: on your show changed since the very beginning?
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Speaker 2: Man, I can't keep a single perspective for probably more
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Speaker 2: than a day. This shit is constantly evolving and changing
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Speaker 2: and based on new information and ideas and inspiration and
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Speaker 2: intuition that I have. It's constantly evolving and molding. So
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Speaker 2: it has changed dramatically from when I first started doing this.
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Speaker 2: A lot of the stuff has come full circle and
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Speaker 2: just kind of validated my original release, but a lot
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Speaker 2: of it's just shot off into all directions. There's so
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Speaker 2: many layers to a lot of this that it seems
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Speaker 2: almost impossible to get to the real heart of any
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Speaker 2: certain conspiracy or these paranormal events or high impact events
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Speaker 2: that occur, but we try to get as much information
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Speaker 2: as possible. There's a lot, as you know, a lot
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Speaker 2: of muddying of the waters in the past few years,
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Speaker 2: and it's become very difficult to find good information. But
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Speaker 2: we do have our go tos as far as great
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Speaker 2: researchers that we can rely on that we have been
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Speaker 2: able to for the past decade or so, that we
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Speaker 2: can always check back with is to compare notes see
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Speaker 2: if any of the information that we're getting still matches up,
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Speaker 2: still resonates. We can do that with the original texts
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Speaker 2: in books and authors and classic researchers that have presented
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Speaker 2: information over the years, but we just really have to
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Speaker 2: pass it through our perception filter. And like you said,
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Speaker 2: perception is important. I think it's everything. I think that
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Speaker 2: all these experiences from paranormal to UFO's abduction, near death experiences,
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Speaker 2: psychedelic experiences, meditation, they're going to all pass through the
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Speaker 2: perception filter. Where we're at in our lives, where we're
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Speaker 2: at emotionally, spiritually, mentally, how healthy we are, the way
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Speaker 2: we view things, the way we understand things, and that
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Speaker 2: is going to heavily dictate the outcome and how we
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Speaker 2: feel and interact with any certain experience that occurs. And
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Speaker 2: doors of perception. The title really was stolen from all
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Speaker 2: this Huxley's classic book, but it's more of a reinterpretation
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Speaker 2: and I'm basically stealing that name because it has tiny
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Speaker 2: bits and pieces of maybe some ideas that Huxley presented
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Speaker 2: about psychedelics and some of the connections that we can
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Speaker 2: make between synchronicities and certain events. But I really took
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Speaker 2: it to a completely different level and added my own
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Speaker 2: life experiences, the people that I presented in the film,
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Speaker 2: the amazing researchers and guests that I've had, and I
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Speaker 2: combined it with everything that I've learned over the past decade,
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Speaker 2: my understandings, my beliefs, but I presented in a really
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Speaker 2: non biased way, really asking questions and not saying that
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Speaker 2: this is the way things are, but could this be
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Speaker 2: the way things are? And I think all the presenters
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Speaker 2: that I featured in there did a really great job
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Speaker 2: of doing that very thing. And that's what we explore
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Speaker 2: the we explore consciousness, but through the lens of these experiences,
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Speaker 2: paranormal experiences, altered states, near death contact, extraterrestrial contact experiences,
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Speaker 2: and the synchronistic events that occur in our daily lives
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Speaker 2: that seem to tie these things together lead us in
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Speaker 2: certain directions and even tell us story, it seems at
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Speaker 2: some times. So that's what the film explores and super
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Speaker 2: excited about it, and the presenters that were participating in
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Speaker 2: the film and shared their ideas and insights and research.
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Speaker 2: So that is where the birth of Doors of Perception
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Speaker 2: came from.
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Speaker 1: Where can people watch this right now? Because you have
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Speaker 1: a pre release copy available, So where can people watch
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Speaker 1: this immediately?
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Speaker 2: You go to our website Forbidden Knowledge dot News. Right
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Speaker 2: on that front page you'll see the Doors of Perception,
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Speaker 2: the front picture of the film. You click on the
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Speaker 2: link right there and you can either rent it. They
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Speaker 2: have a link to our Vimeo site. You can rent
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Speaker 2: it for two ninety nine or purchase the ten eighty
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Speaker 2: p version for seven. You can even get a four
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Speaker 2: K version for twelve dollars. And this, like you said,
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Speaker 2: it's a special edition, pre release version. There's gonna be
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Speaker 2: a few things that may be slightly different, a few
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Speaker 2: additions that may not go into the film that will
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Speaker 2: be going on streaming platforms in a few months. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's a great way to help support us and a
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Speaker 2: great way to help promote the film before it hits
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Speaker 2: streaming platforms. And the trailer is also available on YouTube
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Speaker 2: and rum rumble on our website as well, so very
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Speaker 2: easily accessible, and I believe you'll have some links for everybody.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have the link posted to the website
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Speaker 1: where you can order the pre release copy of Doors
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Speaker 1: of Perception. And I'm always into helping support independent I
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Speaker 1: think that that's where the industry is moving toward independent filmmakers,
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Speaker 1: independent media. Just in general, we've seen this gigantic boom.
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Speaker 1: Soho who all is in this documentary? I saw Lindsey
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Speaker 1: Sharman in there, I saw Trey Hudson, Brandon Thomas. Who
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Speaker 1: else did you have in there? See?
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Speaker 2: If I can remember? Everybody got Daniel Rection. He is
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Speaker 2: a dream expert. He's the chief dream Officer at dream World.
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Speaker 2: Basically they do research and education into lucid dreaming techniques
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Speaker 2: and beyond basically shamanic dreaming, getting information from your dreams,
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Speaker 2: even learning how to control and interact with things in
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Speaker 2: your dreams. And he was one of the experts I
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Speaker 2: had on to discuss the dreams section in the movie.
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Speaker 2: Like you said, we have Brandon Thom, then we had
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Speaker 2: Vicki Joy Anderson. She is author of They Only Come
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Speaker 2: Out at Night, which is about sleep paralysis, her experiences
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Speaker 2: and the hundreds of sleep paralysis experiencers that she interviews
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Speaker 2: and compares the experiences and gives her own spin and
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Speaker 2: research into the possibilities of what's happening with that. She
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Speaker 2: was a great guest. Then we have Carlos Tanner. He
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Speaker 2: is founder of the Ayahuasca Foundation. He kicks off the
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Speaker 2: section on psychedelics in the film. We have Adam Butler,
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Speaker 2: author of Butler's DMT Field Guide. He's great. He was
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Speaker 2: actually a last minute addition to the film. Thank you
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Speaker 2: so much for doing that. And then let's see, we've
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Speaker 2: got Karen Wilkinson, who is a et abduction experience or
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Speaker 2: she had very horrific abduction experiences from a very young age,
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Speaker 2: which oddly enough involve military, So there's very interesting correlations
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Speaker 2: with that as well, which we kind of touch on
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Speaker 2: in the film Part two. We're going to get to
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Speaker 2: more of some nefarious things that may be occurring with
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Speaker 2: our military and some of the black projects. So then
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Speaker 2: we have the great Trey Hudson. He is a former
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Speaker 2: US Army intelligence officer, paranormal researcher, great friend of ours.
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Speaker 2: He frequents your show quite often. Amazing guy. Let's see,
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Speaker 2: we've got Lindsay Sharman we have. I'm probably forgetting somebody.
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Speaker 2: And if I am, I truly apologize. Dan lyss who
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Speaker 2: Lindsay Sharman, I'm sorry. She is a psychic, intuitive author,
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Speaker 2: a healer, spiritual health. She was great. She presented some
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Speaker 2: great information on near death experiences and synchronicities. And Dan
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Speaker 2: Liss who is also a spiritual healer, intuitive psychic who
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Speaker 2: was also presenting information on near death experiences and synchronicities.
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Speaker 2: And I remember, last, but not least, the great Jim
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Speaker 2: Willis who has passed away, and the film was dedicated
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Speaker 2: to him. He was a wonderful man, a great researcher,
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Speaker 2: and he brought so much to the spiritual and conspiracy fields.
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Speaker 2: And like I said, the film was dedicated to him.
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Speaker 2: He brought some wonderful insights into the near death synchronicities
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Speaker 2: section on the film. And I believe that is it.
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Speaker 2: My beautiful wife, Jennifer Halcom helped with the the videography,
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Speaker 2: some of the filming, some of the quality control and overall,
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Speaker 2: you know, assisted with everything along the way. So thank
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Speaker 2: her so much. And that's about it. Besides my dog Sally,
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Speaker 2: who was there for support.
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Speaker 1: Gotta have her there for support. How did you juggle
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Speaker 1: all of those people being in the documentary? Because I
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Speaker 1: had I had a rough time just making a clockwork
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Speaker 1: shining with six people. And I feel like the more
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Speaker 1: people that you have in your movie, the more strenuous
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Speaker 1: and more rough it is to actually make. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel like that you split up all We're getting into
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Speaker 1: some technical yeah, with filmmaking, but do you feel like
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Speaker 1: that you you split them up like evenly? And they
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Speaker 1: had a good amount of runtime, Like how did I
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Speaker 1: tried to do?
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Speaker 2: I think they each had an equal amount of time
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Speaker 2: more or less. There were a couple, like the Last
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Speaker 2: Minute edition mister Butler, who probably had the least amount
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Speaker 2: of time, but it was still I believe, very fair
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Speaker 2: enough to get some great information and his own personal
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Speaker 2: story out there. We're gonna feature even more in part two.
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Speaker 2: There's going to be some of the same people returning
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Speaker 2: to provide more information because we had so much We
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Speaker 2: had so much content just from the first production that
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Speaker 2: it's going into part two, but we're also going to
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Speaker 2: cycle in some new people. And yes, it was extremely
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Speaker 2: difficult trying to manage that and storyboard everything, and that's
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Speaker 2: why it took me like probably a little around a
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Speaker 2: year to get this one finished, as opposed to around
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Speaker 2: six months for the first film we did called Louisiana.
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Speaker 2: But it really I think I put it together in
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Speaker 2: a great coherent way and it flows perfectly. So I'm
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Speaker 2: really happy with the way it turned out. And this
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Speaker 2: has all been an experiment for me, really, especially the
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Speaker 2: first one. I was never expecting for it to do
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Speaker 2: anything that it did, and I'm blessed and grateful that
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Speaker 2: it did. So. I learned so much from making that
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Speaker 2: first film, and I learned so much from making this one.
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Speaker 2: The next one will be even better. As you know,
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Speaker 2: those skills just that's what comes along with making these
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Speaker 2: things because you get some practice. Boy, you get some practice.
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Speaker 1: You definitely get practice. And yeah, the same with mine
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Speaker 1: with Jfkoks learned a lot making that one, and then
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Speaker 1: it all transferred and made it even better in a
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Speaker 1: clockwork shiny So what do you mentioned the sleep paralysis there?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever had sleep proalysis before?
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Speaker 2: I haven't. I featured myself in the film. I did
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Speaker 2: a little re enactment and everything, but yeah, uh it's
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Speaker 2: pretty funny. Wait do you see that? But uh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I did. I had sleep paralys and it was around oh,
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Speaker 2: it was probably right when I was first starting to
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Speaker 2: kind of have my awakening and just be interested in
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Speaker 2: the weird shit that I'm interested in again, around twenty twelve,
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Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, But it was also when I was going
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Speaker 2: through my divorce and it was a very dark time
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Speaker 2: in my life, and I was having trouble sleeping at night,
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Speaker 2: so I would take naps during the day, and this
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Speaker 2: never really happened at night for some reason. It was
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Speaker 2: when I would try to take naps during the day
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Speaker 2: and it was like a typical sleep paralysis, that experience
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Speaker 2: that you hear about. I was I couldn't move my
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Speaker 2: eyes were it seemed like they were open and open
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Speaker 2: enough to see the room. Things were a little hazy,
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Speaker 2: and I know I was awake. I could feel things,
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Speaker 2: but I couldn't move my body, and I would see
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Speaker 2: shadows walking around. I'd look over and there was it
16:55
Speaker 2: looked like there was someone walking down the hallway, but
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Speaker 2: you couldn't make out any thing, and they it did
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Speaker 2: just look like a shadow, but eventually it would turn
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Speaker 2: into two or three people walking past, and the last
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Speaker 2: few times it was like a shadow people party in
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Speaker 2: my kitchen. I just there was like a bunch of
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Speaker 2: shadows just walking around in my kitchen. Very strange, not
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Speaker 2: really threatening. I did feel like terrified because I knew
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Speaker 2: there was nobody in my house. And then the very
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Speaker 2: last time the shadow, one of the shadow people actually
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Speaker 2: walked into my room and was kind of circling the bed,
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Speaker 2: and I heard this extremely loud banging noise coming from
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Speaker 2: the ceiling and I could see my ceiling fan and
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Speaker 2: I thought my ceiling was gonna explode on me. It
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Speaker 2: was like boo, it was vibrating my whole room and
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Speaker 2: me and I thought I didn't know what the fuck
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Speaker 2: was gonna happen. I got terrified, and eventually I would
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Speaker 2: be able to just pull myself out of it. I
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Speaker 2: have no idea what that was. We could talk about
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Speaker 2: some of the theories that were presented, but after I
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Speaker 2: got through my divorce, got through to a better state
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Speaker 2: of mind, that shit just stopped and I haven't experienced
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Speaker 2: any of it since. So again we can go back
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Speaker 2: to that perception thing. I'm in a shitty state of
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Speaker 2: mind having these sleep paralysis experiences. As soon as I
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Speaker 2: get things better in my life, they go away. Is
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Speaker 2: there a link. I think so.
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Speaker 1: To anyone that's ever experienced sleep paralysis, I've experienced it twice,
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Speaker 1: just like you. It's a very scary thing and it's
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Speaker 1: one of the most terrifying things I think that has
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Speaker 1: ever happened, and it feels very real. And one of
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Speaker 1: mine was the first one, I didn't see anything. The
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Speaker 1: second one I did see something, and it was like
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Speaker 1: this shadow that was in like a had like a
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Speaker 1: top hat on. I haven't really talked about it a
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Speaker 1: lot because there's so much, you know, nonsense about the
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Speaker 1: hat Man and it's kind of become like.
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Speaker 2: A very interesting that there's a hat archetype. But yeah, going.
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Speaker 1: And the second time is when I seen the hat
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Speaker 1: Man's shadow. It was in my room and it was
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Speaker 1: like it was like hanging from the ceiling. So it
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Speaker 1: had like a noose around its neck and the shadow
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Speaker 1: was like hanging from the ceiling and I had a
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Speaker 1: top hat on, and it was like shaking its head
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Speaker 1: like really fast, huh. And I was like laying flat
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Speaker 1: on my back. The first time that I ever experienced it,
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Speaker 1: I was laying on my right side and there was
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Speaker 1: two what felt like two hands that was placed on
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Speaker 1: my back. One on the center on my back and
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Speaker 1: the other one on the left side of my back,
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't move at all. I could just look
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Speaker 1: at my at the dresser, like the not the dresser,
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Speaker 1: but the closet, because I was right what was right
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Speaker 1: in front of my vision. And the only thing that
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Speaker 1: snapped me out of that was that my roommate came
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Speaker 1: like opened the door, and I just jumped out of
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Speaker 1: the bed and I was like a giant breath because
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Speaker 1: I was almost hyperventilating because I couldn't breathe. Yeah, Like
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Speaker 1: it was like almost like it was sucking the breath
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Speaker 1: out of me. Wow. And uh yeah, Luckily he came
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Speaker 1: into the room and knocked it off or whatever. But
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Speaker 1: very very strange experiences there. And I don't really know
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Speaker 1: what to think of it because a lot of people
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Speaker 1: are like, it's demons, and then some people have that
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Speaker 1: there's actually a show. I can't remember the name of
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Speaker 1: the show, but I watched the first couple of episodes
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Speaker 1: and it was basically about sleep paralysis.
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Speaker 2: And oh a nightmare or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a newer show. It might have been
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Speaker 1: on Netflix or something. But yeah, this lady that puts
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Speaker 1: something on her ceiling. You know what I'm talking about,
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Speaker 1: to let her know that the dream isn't real or
21:03
Speaker 1: like the scenario or those sleep paralysis.
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Speaker 2: Is Yeah, I've seen that. Yeah, Yeah, that was a
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Speaker 2: good show. I don't remember too much about it. But
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Speaker 2: the theories that were presented in the film are paranormal
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Speaker 2: in nature. Mostly, I don't claim to have any idea
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Speaker 2: what's happening. The presenter that we had, Vicki Joy Anderson,
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Speaker 2: she's had sleep paralysis experiences her whole life. She still does,
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Speaker 2: but she also interviews dozens hundreds of people who have
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Speaker 2: the experiences. She writes about it. She does look at
21:39
Speaker 2: it through a Christian lens. She does believe that these
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Speaker 2: are nefarious entities. She believes that our state of mind
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Speaker 2: is attracting these negative, what you would call non human
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Speaker 2: intelligences during that hypnagogic state because we are consciousness, we
22:03
Speaker 2: are open to it, we're a step outside our normal
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Speaker 2: perception what someone would call the astral realms. Then that
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Speaker 2: these intelligences reside there, that there's actually an ecosystem of
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Speaker 2: life forms just beyond our perception that you would consider
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Speaker 2: negative and positive that can present themselves, interact with us,
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Speaker 2: affect us in different ways when we're in these not
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Speaker 2: only sleep paralysis, dreams, altered states, meditative states, even day dreams.
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Speaker 2: There's certain drugs that can do it. There's certain places
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Speaker 2: that can put people into different states of mind and
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Speaker 2: of awareness that within those states, there's some strange shit
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Speaker 2: that can happen. And it's theorized by for sleep paralysis
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Speaker 2: by Vicky Joy, that these entities are basically performing some
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Speaker 2: sort of astral or out of body abduction where they
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Speaker 2: are attempting to affect your way of thinking, keep you
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Speaker 2: in a negative state of mind. There could be a
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Speaker 2: variety of quote unquote agendas that these beings have for
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Speaker 2: the people that they affect during sleep paralysis. So that's
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Speaker 2: explored and her story is explored, but she says what's
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Speaker 2: most interesting about all of it. She started documenting people's
23:39
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis experiences over a decade ago, probably yeah, almost
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Speaker 2: fifteen something years ago, and she said that the experiences
23:51
Speaker 2: are collectively changing in a somewhat similar direction. She said,
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Speaker 2: it used to be the shadow people and you know,
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Speaker 2: you're more classic entities, the hat man that would appear,
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Speaker 2: things like that, but she said now they are like
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Speaker 2: technological beings. They're appearing more as people are seeing cyborgs
24:15
Speaker 2: and robots and machine elves and all these more like
24:21
Speaker 2: technologically based entities that are presenting themselves oddly enough, during
24:27
Speaker 2: sleep paralysis experiences. She's currently writing her third book about this.
24:33
Speaker 2: They only come out at night three, but in part
24:35
Speaker 2: two she does touch on that a good bit. It's
24:38
Speaker 2: very fascinating to hear the similarities in people's experience as
24:43
Speaker 2: relates to that, But I couldn't tell you man, it's
24:47
Speaker 2: it's it's interesting though.
24:50
Speaker 1: Well, when you look at the state of consciousness and
24:54
Speaker 1: the way that people fear certain things, in the way
24:58
Speaker 1: that these types of experience this is evolve over time,
25:02
Speaker 1: you can see that track with the UFO phenomenon as well.
25:07
Speaker 1: What people fear, they normally then relate to something otherworldly.
25:14
Speaker 1: Right when people are fearing nuclear devastation, the aliens that
25:18
Speaker 1: are contacting them are telling them that that we need
25:22
Speaker 1: to lay down our nuclear arms, you know what I mean.
25:24
Speaker 1: It's that same type of when we're in fear of
25:27
Speaker 1: the environment, the aliens are all of a sudden, like
25:29
Speaker 1: you need to clean up your environment. When we're in
25:32
Speaker 1: fear of you know, world War three, they'll be like, oh,
25:36
Speaker 1: you guys need peace, right. It's like this, it's almost
25:41
Speaker 1: like a reflection in something that we want to hear
25:47
Speaker 1: coming back to us because we're not hearing it from
25:50
Speaker 1: the you know, the people that are in quote unquote
25:54
Speaker 1: in charge, you know, so we get it from this
25:56
Speaker 1: other worldly type source. And that's kind of like what
26:00
Speaker 1: you're explaining now is that it's changed from the supposed
26:06
Speaker 1: organic type of entity and now it's getting more into
26:10
Speaker 1: a technological type of entity, which is exactly where our
26:14
Speaker 1: society is moving toward with AI robotics. So it's like
26:21
Speaker 1: our perception.
26:23
Speaker 2: Man, you're getting to the heart of the movie right here.
26:25
Speaker 2: This is it. Yeah, this is basically what we explore
26:31
Speaker 2: the collective, not only the collective, but the where the
26:36
Speaker 2: individual is at. We have the collective experience, which moves
26:39
Speaker 2: with the collective mind where we're at technologically, our understanding
26:43
Speaker 2: of UFOs and whatever these non human intelligences may be.
26:49
Speaker 2: And as we move into the technological age, the phenomenon
26:53
Speaker 2: becomes more technological, more sci fi and this it's across
27:00
Speaker 2: the board. But the individual experience, it really passes through
27:06
Speaker 2: that person's individual perceptual lens, so they're going to have
27:10
Speaker 2: that layer on top of it. So say that two
27:14
Speaker 2: people are essentially, if you could call it, having the
27:17
Speaker 2: same experience, but one person is being attacked by a
27:23
Speaker 2: demon with harry dildo and then the other one is
27:29
Speaker 2: being massaged by a beautiful angel. But essentially it's supposed
27:34
Speaker 2: to be the same experience, but the person being attacked
27:37
Speaker 2: with the demon dildo has been traumatized recently, are there
27:41
Speaker 2: in a bad relationship, or there's drugs involved, and then
27:44
Speaker 2: the person who's being massaged by an angel is love
27:48
Speaker 2: and light and having beautiful times in their life. And
27:52
Speaker 2: this seems to be across the board with people's state
27:56
Speaker 2: of mind versus the experiences that they're having. And you know,
28:01
Speaker 2: I couldn't really get down to the fine details of
28:06
Speaker 2: each person's life and experience and tell you one hundred
28:10
Speaker 2: percent if they were in a bad state of mind
28:11
Speaker 2: when they had this experience. But if you look at
28:14
Speaker 2: the overall phenomena and the hundreds and hundreds of people
28:18
Speaker 2: that we've both talked to, I mean we're coming to
28:20
Speaker 2: almost the same conclusion here that whatever is happening is
28:25
Speaker 2: going to be based on our collective and into individual perception.
28:30
Speaker 2: What that trigger is is the fascinating question what what
28:36
Speaker 2: the intelligence behind it is, if it's just us, if
28:42
Speaker 2: we are producing it, or if there is external factors
28:48
Speaker 2: or external origination. That is some of the bigger questions
28:53
Speaker 2: that we get into as well. But that's really the
28:57
Speaker 2: you know, the the meat and potatoes of the film.
29:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think what you're explaining there is this
29:03
Speaker 1: biifurcation you remember back like I don't know, started in
29:08
Speaker 1: the late two thousands where the spiritualist and the gurus
29:13
Speaker 1: and everybody was like, there's going to be this split
29:15
Speaker 1: from Old Earth into New Earth, and but there's going
29:19
Speaker 1: to be like these people over here are going to
29:21
Speaker 1: be living in like a golden age of humanity and
29:23
Speaker 1: everything's going to be great and awesome, and then these
29:25
Speaker 1: people over here are going to be like living in
29:27
Speaker 1: the dark ages. You know, they were half right, but
29:33
Speaker 1: the way that they explained it is completely wrong. But
29:37
Speaker 1: we're like essentially living during that period right now, Like
29:41
Speaker 1: we have that right now, Like there's a section of
29:45
Speaker 1: the population that is like, this is the best time
29:49
Speaker 1: ever to be alive, and then another section of the
29:52
Speaker 1: population is like, this is the worst time to be alive.
29:55
Speaker 1: This is going to be tyranny, This is going to
29:57
Speaker 1: be a dictatorship, right. Yeah, it's like what exactly what
30:02
Speaker 1: they were explaining before, But they just had the concept
30:06
Speaker 1: and like the idea completely wrong. They were looking at
30:10
Speaker 1: it as like an actual like five D like ascension.
30:15
Speaker 1: You know, they spiffed it up and made it seem
30:19
Speaker 1: all magical on everything.
30:20
Speaker 2: Now you're getting into the synchronistic aspects and the incredible
30:27
Speaker 2: amazing event that can happen based off of self fulfilling
30:36
Speaker 2: prophecies and collective self fulfilling prophecies based on our fears,
30:42
Speaker 2: based on what we understand about any given event or
30:48
Speaker 2: possible future event, or possible state of mind of humanity.
30:54
Speaker 2: Like you were just discussing, the seeds are planted, and
30:57
Speaker 2: we first started hearing about this a long time ago,
31:01
Speaker 2: and it seems like these seeds they tend to be
31:07
Speaker 2: able to self replicate, and in a sense, it's like
31:13
Speaker 2: a parasite. It takes over the minds of the collective
31:19
Speaker 2: and it begins to in a sense, cause these events
31:24
Speaker 2: to manifest and come to fruition because it's like a
31:28
Speaker 2: constant reminder, it's constant information in the very back of
31:34
Speaker 2: your mind. These possibilities that keep popping up based on
31:40
Speaker 2: our perception of events that unfold like it, for example,
31:45
Speaker 2: Trump and the Apocalypse, Trump and the Antichrist. You don't
31:51
Speaker 2: know how many times I've had guests that recently that
31:54
Speaker 2: believe that this administration represents the the mark of the Beast,
32:01
Speaker 2: the return of the Antichrist based on Biblical fulfillment, and
32:06
Speaker 2: they can name you these incredible prophecies that have correlations
32:11
Speaker 2: that if you look at it the right way, it'd
32:14
Speaker 2: be like, damn, that's spot on, We're in the apocalypse,
32:18
Speaker 2: He's the Antichrist. But if you have a different perspective.
32:22
Speaker 1: To squint your eyes, you have to squint your eyes
32:24
Speaker 1: really hard and then till your head sideways.
32:26
Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. It depends on your perspective
32:29
Speaker 2: at the time. You do have the opposite that I've noticed,
32:32
Speaker 2: where people have Trump hypnosis, where this man can do
32:35
Speaker 2: nothing wrong and they see nothing bad that the administration
32:39
Speaker 2: is doing. And then you have the extreme opposite, which
32:42
Speaker 2: was what I was just saying. But again, individual perceptive perception.
32:48
Speaker 2: But we have these collective strange events that occur based
32:53
Speaker 2: on where the collective is at and what you're saying,
32:56
Speaker 2: could be very true just because of the split that
33:00
Speaker 2: we're seeing and the representation I was just saying, in
33:03
Speaker 2: the example of Trump, we have very different mindsets that
33:07
Speaker 2: are split right down the middle right now, and it's
33:10
Speaker 2: pretty incredible. It's more divided that I think I've ever
33:12
Speaker 2: seen it.
33:15
Speaker 1: But that's the way that it's always been. People are
33:18
Speaker 1: never everyone is not going to be happy with anybody.
33:24
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who it is up there. There's going
33:28
Speaker 1: to be a section of the population that is not
33:31
Speaker 1: happy and is going to try and correlate all these
33:34
Speaker 1: things to the most negative side, and then there's gonna
33:36
Speaker 1: be the people that's going to try and correlate it
33:38
Speaker 1: to the most positive side. Right if it was the
33:40
Speaker 1: opposite way around, and Kamala Harris became president, there would
33:45
Speaker 1: be the exact set of people that are saying that
33:49
Speaker 1: Trump is the worst is going to be saying the
33:51
Speaker 1: Kamala is the best, and the people there saying that
33:54
Speaker 1: Kamala is the best is gonna it's gonna be it's
33:56
Speaker 1: gonna flip flop. That's the That's the way that it's
33:59
Speaker 1: always been, and that's the way that it is always
34:02
Speaker 1: going to continue to be unless something radically changes. And
34:07
Speaker 1: I think that the only way that we get out
34:10
Speaker 1: of that system is with a one world order. That's
34:16
Speaker 1: the only way that you get out of this. Uh,
34:20
Speaker 1: this is this rock that we've you know, this corner
34:24
Speaker 1: that we've backed ourselves into.
34:27
Speaker 2: How many emails have you gotten that's say that you're
34:32
Speaker 2: c I A you're a deep steak? Is that that
34:35
Speaker 2: statement that you just made.
34:38
Speaker 1: The people in the comments section of this But that's
34:42
Speaker 1: the only way, logically and critically to get us out
34:47
Speaker 1: of this situation. And I'm not saying that that is
34:49
Speaker 1: the best option, but it's the only option. So the
34:52
Speaker 1: only thing that you can do to to and that's
34:58
Speaker 1: the way. That's the way that they've created it. They've
35:00
Speaker 1: created it that way on purpose. They've created that division.
35:04
Speaker 1: So ultimately, in the end it will have to be
35:07
Speaker 1: this one world system, you know.
35:12
Speaker 3: Because peoples, Well that's what that's what that's the whole
35:16
Speaker 3: trick of the game is that you make the people
35:18
Speaker 3: that don't want something eventually want it by essentially begging
35:23
Speaker 3: for it.
35:24
Speaker 2: Well, nobody wants to see it, but what you said
35:26
Speaker 2: there is going to be inevitable. Whether you think it's
35:31
Speaker 2: right or wrong, it's happening like there's it's unavoidable. We're
35:35
Speaker 2: already headed in that direction. The question for me is
35:39
Speaker 2: how dystopian do you want it to be. I'd rather
35:41
Speaker 2: not have drones policing this guy with pre crime programming
35:45
Speaker 2: that if they believe you could commit a crime, they're
35:48
Speaker 2: gonna zap you dead. I'd rather not have that. But
35:52
Speaker 2: if we can have some kind of balance where there's
35:56
Speaker 2: this harmonious system and we don't have to worry about
36:01
Speaker 2: killer dogs, robot dogs and police drones, I'm cool with that.
36:06
Speaker 2: But you know, I think there has to be a balance,
36:08
Speaker 2: and I think that's where a lot of people are
36:11
Speaker 2: concerned about, including myself. But again I put myself outside
36:16
Speaker 2: of all of that and observe I take the good
36:18
Speaker 2: and I don't take the bed. You know, it's really
36:22
Speaker 2: all about a balancing act right now, and people seem
36:25
Speaker 2: to be unaware of that aspect of it.
36:29
Speaker 1: Well, when you listen to people in their contact experiences,
36:34
Speaker 1: and this is me just you know, taking them out
36:39
Speaker 1: their word, I don't necessarily believe it, but based off
36:43
Speaker 1: of what they say, they essentially say that the entities
36:48
Speaker 1: that they contact and the entities that they talk to
36:51
Speaker 1: and the entities that they've talked to them when they're
36:54
Speaker 1: asked about like how they operate there. It's essentially a
36:58
Speaker 1: hive mind. This essentially a one world order, is what
37:07
Speaker 1: it is. And if they are super highly advanced and
37:10
Speaker 1: we look at them as like gods, if they exist, right,
37:13
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they do, because I really have
37:16
Speaker 1: no idea, but if they do and we look at
37:18
Speaker 1: them like that they're gods and that there's so much
37:22
Speaker 1: more highly technologically advanced, would that not be the ultimate
37:25
Speaker 1: conclusion for us as well?
37:28
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have the answer to that or
37:32
Speaker 2: any of these things, but I love gathering the information.
37:36
Speaker 2: When it comes to the whole extraterrestrial thing, it's very disappointing,
37:43
Speaker 2: I'll say, just to just to throw that at there.
37:47
Speaker 2: Because I started out this was one of my favorite things,
37:51
Speaker 2: UFOs aliens. I believed that there were in fact little
37:54
Speaker 2: green men coming from different planets and they were pro
37:57
Speaker 2: ready and all the narratives, you know, the traditional narratives.
38:01
Speaker 2: I was there when I first started this, and it
38:05
Speaker 2: began to change and shift and now it's it could
38:10
Speaker 2: be many things, and I have many considerations and possibilities
38:14
Speaker 2: of what people are experiencing with extraterrestrial contact. Now, for me,
38:20
Speaker 2: I've never experienced anything really paranormal besides that sleep paralysis,
38:25
Speaker 2: which you know it's subjective, could be paranormal, could be
38:28
Speaker 2: a psychosomatic whatever again, perception thing, But I never had
38:34
Speaker 2: any paranormal experiences. And before I did this film, I
38:38
Speaker 2: had started using psychedelics magic mushrooms, mostly for therapeutic purposes,
38:44
Speaker 2: and I did get information from the experiences, and that
38:51
Speaker 2: led me to explore it in a different way, as
38:55
Speaker 2: in initiating contact experiences with whatever can be communicated without
39:02
Speaker 2: there Again, I don't have an answer to what I
39:06
Speaker 2: was communicating with. I just for now call it the
39:10
Speaker 2: higher self. It could be many different things. It could
39:14
Speaker 2: be some sort of collective intelligence. It could be the
39:19
Speaker 2: secret societies beaming mk ultra voices into my head. It
39:24
Speaker 2: could it could be many things. But I want to
39:27
Speaker 2: put myself through those experiences because to me, that's probably
39:31
Speaker 2: the closest I get to really having any type of
39:34
Speaker 2: extraterressural contact experience. So I really immersed myself into very
39:41
Speaker 2: powerful psychedelic experiences in with the intent of initiating those
39:47
Speaker 2: that contact, and it did happen, and there were some
39:51
Speaker 2: very insane experiences and lots of I believe valuable information
39:57
Speaker 2: that I've gained. I could not tell tell you how
40:02
Speaker 2: it was that was providing the information, only that it
40:06
Speaker 2: was information that I wasn't aware of before the experience,
40:11
Speaker 2: and if it was locked up deep in my subconscious
40:14
Speaker 2: and that's the way I got it, that's great, but
40:17
Speaker 2: I have I couldn't tell you where that trigger came from.
40:20
Speaker 2: And the experiences became very synchronistic in nature, as in
40:28
Speaker 2: the what I would experience during those events would connect
40:33
Speaker 2: things and kind of lead me in certain directions in
40:36
Speaker 2: my waking life. And that was to me my only
40:44
Speaker 2: confirmation that there was there's something else. And I don't
40:49
Speaker 2: know what it is, and I don't know if it's aliens, angels, demons, ourselves, archetypes, eggrigres,
40:57
Speaker 2: all options, all possibilities, but there is something that can communicate,
41:01
Speaker 2: provide information, guide us in certain directions. And I'm sure
41:06
Speaker 2: it can be weaponized and has been already. And that's
41:10
Speaker 2: where the danger comes in with any of this stuff
41:14
Speaker 2: is there's been the technology. There's technology out there that
41:20
Speaker 2: can mimic to a t paranormal activity and experiences and
41:25
Speaker 2: voices in your head whatever. So that's going to be
41:28
Speaker 2: explored more in part two of the film. Uh, but yeah,
41:33
Speaker 2: that's where I'm kind of out with that.
41:38
Speaker 1: Well, there's also this remote viewing technique called perfect site
41:42
Speaker 1: integration that allows a remove viewer to remove you a
41:46
Speaker 1: certain area or a location and essentially by locate there
41:50
Speaker 1: and be able to move around objects and interact with
41:52
Speaker 1: the environment. So that is a really good explanation for
41:57
Speaker 1: what some might experience as poltergeist like activity. Right Yeah,
42:02
Speaker 1: might not even be a dead dead person or some
42:05
Speaker 1: sort of spirit or a ghost or a demon or whatever.
42:08
Speaker 1: It can literally be another human being that's alive right
42:13
Speaker 1: now in our reality. I mean, I think that that makes.
42:18
Speaker 2: Like, what if say a person is meditating and they
42:22
Speaker 2: want to connect to the Ashtar Command and that's their
42:26
Speaker 2: intention and they put that intention out there. Well, if
42:29
Speaker 2: we're at the level where any of our thoughts could
42:32
Speaker 2: be read, maybe and there's some sort of secret military
42:36
Speaker 2: base down yonder that wants to perpetuate a little narrative
42:43
Speaker 2: you put out that you want to speak to the
42:45
Speaker 2: Ashtar Command, that stations be like Jody's trying to contact
42:51
Speaker 2: the Ashtar command again, put in the program, and then boom,
42:56
Speaker 2: Nickyard from the Blackdocs fleet of Ashtar commands starts talking
43:02
Speaker 2: to you and giving you the best damn information you
43:05
Speaker 2: ever heard that's gonna save the planet. Next thing you know,
43:09
Speaker 2: you're on the conference tour, You're on Rogan and things
43:12
Speaker 2: are blowing up for you. It's crazy.
43:15
Speaker 1: Well, that's one of the things that Rogan has said
43:18
Speaker 1: before is that the things that he's experienced under psychedelic influence,
43:25
Speaker 1: like mushrooms and stuff, I'll pace and overblow any alien
43:32
Speaker 1: that would land in his backyard. He's like, I've seen
43:36
Speaker 1: way wilder things than a UFO landing in my backyard
43:41
Speaker 1: or a UFO landing on the White House line would
43:44
Speaker 1: not be shocking to me, because I've seen way crazier
43:48
Speaker 1: things on these on these types of psychedelics.
43:52
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, man, I mean the last. I don't
43:56
Speaker 2: use magic mushrooms anymore. I quit after the last sex
44:00
Speaker 2: experience I had last year, which actually was yeah, last year,
44:05
Speaker 2: it was May the fourth, May the fourth be with
44:07
Speaker 2: you all. That was the last time I did. But
44:09
Speaker 2: that experience was so intense and terrifying, but really It
44:15
Speaker 2: was like a culmination of everything. It was like, this
44:19
Speaker 2: is what you've been looking for. Do not come back here,
44:24
Speaker 2: Do not come back here. Like the message was very strong,
44:28
Speaker 2: but it just led me to a new level of
44:32
Speaker 2: spiritual understanding in a very physical way. Actually led me
44:36
Speaker 2: down the street to someone's house that was very profound.
44:41
Speaker 2: I don't have time to tell that whole story. I
44:43
Speaker 2: did it in a podcast. If you go to it
44:45
Speaker 2: happened made the fourth That's an episode I did about
44:49
Speaker 2: about that final mushroom experience, which it skipped. Oh gosh,
44:54
Speaker 2: it was terrifying, but it really changed my life in
44:56
Speaker 2: many ways and kind of set me on a new
44:59
Speaker 2: trajetory and understanding of things. But uh yeah, I no longer.
45:04
Speaker 2: I no longer do magic mushrooms because, as mister mckinna said,
45:09
Speaker 2: when you get the message, you hang up the phone.
45:11
Speaker 2: I got that message.
45:13
Speaker 1: Message coming through lonclar All right, let's check out your
45:16
Speaker 1: trailer for you. I'll have some more questions for you after.
45:20
Speaker 2: Let's do it. The nature of this experience seems to
45:26
Speaker 2: always be just beyond the reach of our science, technology,
45:31
Speaker 2: and consciousness collective.
45:34
Speaker 4: There's layers upon layers upon layers.
45:36
Speaker 2: Does have such an element of mystery to this place.
45:38
Speaker 2: Why are we here? We're getting closer to the truth now.
45:44
Speaker 2: Too many people experiencing profound interactions with conscious entities.
45:48
Speaker 4: I'm focused on the non human intelligence contact phenomenon in dreams.
45:53
Speaker 1: Dreams involve interactions with real entities. People are waking up,
45:59
Speaker 1: paralyzed their sensing or seeing something very evil in the room.
46:04
Speaker 2: I have experienced sleep paralysis, shadow people start to appear.
46:10
Speaker 5: I was taken from my earliest memories by non human
46:15
Speaker 5: alien entities. More and more people are wanting to talk
46:20
Speaker 5: about these things.
46:22
Speaker 2: A upologist would say, well, that's obviously an extraterrestrial in
46:27
Speaker 2: our paranormal research, would.
46:28
Speaker 1: They will have the ghost? Well what if it's all
46:31
Speaker 1: of those things?
46:32
Speaker 2: In none of those things, the entities, the intelligence that
46:35
Speaker 2: were just beyond our understanding.
46:37
Speaker 1: There seems to be something a little extra that can
46:40
Speaker 1: take forms of anything.
46:41
Speaker 2: I can't believe what I've seen, but it continues on.
46:45
Speaker 5: A daily basis.
46:46
Speaker 2: We're definitely not alone. UFOs UAPs portals opening up.
46:52
Speaker 4: I really thought this supernatural stuff you kind of grow
46:56
Speaker 4: up with that. Around here, you see a lot of
46:58
Speaker 4: strange things. I don't like to talk about skinwalkers too much.
47:04
Speaker 2: I had an experience with a skinwalker entity.
47:08
Speaker 4: People they would say they would transform into bears, into wolves.
47:13
Speaker 4: There's these bad things that occur, goals, rfos and all
47:18
Speaker 4: types of things coming from somewhere.
47:21
Speaker 2: Our beliefs, our emotions, and our fears all seem to
47:25
Speaker 2: heavily influence the nature of these experiences.
47:29
Speaker 3: There is so much more that we just don't have
47:32
Speaker 3: time for in this busy, loud, noisy.
47:35
Speaker 1: Life that we lead.
47:36
Speaker 4: All of this is planned, everything is synchronicity.
47:39
Speaker 2: There's so much more out there.
47:41
Speaker 1: We really are picking up such a small small percentage
47:43
Speaker 1: of the electrobagnetic spectrum. The world is an amazing place.
47:47
Speaker 2: It feels like we're God's in training.
47:54
Speaker 1: Sick sick. Yeah, that's tree tray in there. I've copied
48:02
Speaker 1: what he said because he said that on my show
48:04
Speaker 1: before too, and I've repeated that. But I added on
48:08
Speaker 1: that if you take a cryptid researcher to a place,
48:12
Speaker 1: they're going to say that it's a crypti too. So
48:14
Speaker 1: he went into if you take a ufologist to a place,
48:19
Speaker 1: they're going to come back and say that's UFOs and aliens.
48:21
Speaker 1: If you take a paranormal investigator to a place, they're
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Speaker 1: going to come back and say that it is paranormal.
48:25
Speaker 1: If you take a bigfoot researcher to a place, they're
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Speaker 1: going to come back and say that it's.
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Speaker 2: Bigfoot right right. And that's really where the title came from.
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Speaker 2: There's doors of perception. There's multiple options that we can
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Speaker 2: choose based on where we're at, based on our beliefs,
48:41
Speaker 2: based on our fears. And the craziest part is if
48:46
Speaker 2: we have a shift in that perception, we can open
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Speaker 2: a new door and just completely change the way we
48:52
Speaker 2: view things and have a completely new experience.
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Speaker 1: I saw Brian Burns in there. I've had Ryan on
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Speaker 1: the show. He's a good friend of both of ours.
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Speaker 1: Did you go to his property?
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Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, we spent a couple of nights out there.
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Speaker 1: Oh, tell us about that experience.
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Speaker 2: That was weird, man, it was very very weird. So UFOs, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we saw the whatever, the orbs or the light shooting
49:17
Speaker 2: across the sky all night. Also, he said that we
49:21
Speaker 2: saw these purple lasers through the night vision and he
49:25
Speaker 2: said that was Black Ops teams that surrounded the area
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Speaker 2: that were watching us. You could see them shining lasers
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Speaker 2: and moving around like shadows like moving around. It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: those are the black Ops guys. And there were only
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Speaker 2: a few hundred feet away from us in the distance,
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Speaker 2: just like watching us watch UFOs bro It was crazy.
49:45
Speaker 2: So we got that going on. We got the UFOs
49:47
Speaker 2: shooting around and right when we got like to Utah too,
49:53
Speaker 2: that within about forty miles of his ranch. I just
49:58
Speaker 2: we felt just nasty, a weird just feeling. It was icky.
50:03
Speaker 2: It was like we did. I didn't want to be there,
50:06
Speaker 2: like the whole time. I was so uncomfortable. I didn't
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Speaker 2: sleep for two nights. Jim didn't sleep for two nights.
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Speaker 2: It was just such a weird feeling. Ryan took us
50:15
Speaker 2: on a ride to the Petro Glyphs out there. We
50:18
Speaker 2: saw some incredible rock carvings and Petrock glypts and I
50:23
Speaker 2: got you know, included some of the footage of that
50:25
Speaker 2: in the film. And he also took us two walks
50:29
Speaker 2: all around the property during the day. We hit the
50:33
Speaker 2: bright Well. Actually put my foot on the property of
50:36
Speaker 2: Skinwalker Ranch, which I wasn't supposed to, but that's okay,
50:39
Speaker 2: but uh yeah, his property butts up to Skinwalker Ranch.
50:43
Speaker 2: So we got as close as we could. We were
50:47
Speaker 2: able to see some very interesting images from some of
50:54
Speaker 2: the cameras that Ryan has that manages to overlook a
50:57
Speaker 2: little bit of the ranch. And Okay, since this isn't
51:03
Speaker 2: Ryan saying this is me saying this. Ryan has nothing
51:06
Speaker 2: to do with this. But there were these weird cages
51:11
Speaker 2: in the skin marking ranch and they say that they
51:13
Speaker 2: put the livestock in there to attract the UFOs, right right,
51:19
Speaker 2: So I heard from someone that they actually have put
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Speaker 2: people in there, and it may they may not have
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Speaker 2: been completely willing at times because of the maybe screams
51:35
Speaker 2: that he's heard before. But again, this is me. You know,
51:38
Speaker 2: I heard this around about you know, no confirmation on
51:42
Speaker 2: any of that, so who knows on that one. But dude,
51:46
Speaker 2: the stories he told me were crazy. I'll tell you
51:49
Speaker 2: one of the craziest things he told me that his
51:53
Speaker 2: security guy calls him one night and he's like, you
51:55
Speaker 2: got I think three guys rummaging around your trailer out here,
51:59
Speaker 2: which you want me to do? He's like, get the gun
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Speaker 2: and take care of it. So his security guy grabs
52:05
Speaker 2: whatever firearm he has, I think it was a rifle,
52:08
Speaker 2: and he goes out there and he approaches and there's
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Speaker 2: three guys rummaging through. I'm like right outside the trailer,
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Speaker 2: one of the trailers on Ryan's property, and he yells
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Speaker 2: at him to freeze, and when he does, this is
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Speaker 2: what he said, man, They all sat down like canines
52:26
Speaker 2: at the same time and looked up at him with
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Speaker 2: eyeshine and then he said like he's like you freezer
52:36
Speaker 2: with the yelled something else at him, and then they
52:38
Speaker 2: started lunging at him like dogs. He starts picking him off,
52:45
Speaker 2: he said. He hits each one of them a couple
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Speaker 2: of times, and eventually they turn around and start running
52:51
Speaker 2: the other way. But he said they didn't even look
52:54
Speaker 2: phased by the shots. They started running and they leaped
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Speaker 2: over a fence like a dog jumping over a fence,
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Speaker 2: and we're gone. The craziest part is the next day
53:08
Speaker 2: there was reports of these three members of the Ute
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Speaker 2: tribe that were died of gunshot wounds, all found in
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Speaker 2: three separate locations, all found for some reason, behind locked doors.
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Speaker 2: So that is most likely the dudes that got capped
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Speaker 2: by Ryan's security guy. And that is absolutely nuts, man.
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Speaker 2: What Yeah, yes, it was pretty crazy, and I don't.
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Speaker 1: They looked like human beings, but they acted.
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Speaker 2: Like and they had eyeshine that humans don't normally have that,
53:45
Speaker 2: you know, canine eyeshine. Yeah, dude, he had. They had
53:52
Speaker 2: a few of those stories with these, you know, people
53:56
Speaker 2: that act like dogs or dogs that don't exactly fit
54:01
Speaker 2: the description of dogs, like some zombie dogs, dogs that
54:05
Speaker 2: shape shift into like different things, their limbs change lengths
54:10
Speaker 2: and things like that. Also humanoids that seem to appear
54:16
Speaker 2: differently and shape shift into animals. So he's seen some
54:19
Speaker 2: of the most wild ship out there.
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Speaker 1: Zombie dogs, dogs do well, what would be the explanation
54:32
Speaker 1: of them being behind locked doors?
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Speaker 2: Did?
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Speaker 1: Do you think that would be more of like a projection,
54:39
Speaker 1: because that's what I was mentioning with the perfect side
54:42
Speaker 1: integration thing. It may be so deep into a meditative
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Speaker 1: state that you're.
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Speaker 2: Able to that's projected to.
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Speaker 1: Locate yourself and turn into essentially an animal. That's what
54:53
Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 2: That's the whole theory. That's the whole theory that also
54:58
Speaker 2: was presented in the movie. Had a member of the
55:01
Speaker 2: ute tribe. He was talking about the process of supposedly
55:08
Speaker 2: how to become a skim marker. You commit some sort
55:12
Speaker 2: of horrible atroctrocity, kill a family member or something like that.
55:16
Speaker 2: And then you have these ritual where you wear the
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Speaker 2: animal of the pelt, the pelt of the animal you
55:22
Speaker 2: want to become, and you go, like you said, into
55:24
Speaker 2: a meditative state in a room and you project and
55:28
Speaker 2: that's what people see is you projecting yourself as whatever
55:32
Speaker 2: that animal is. Now, as far as these guys died
55:37
Speaker 2: of gunshot wounds, that's crazy. If if it can somehow
55:41
Speaker 2: affect your physical form what happens out there, I don't know,
55:46
Speaker 2: but it's pretty wild.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't be one hundred percent sure on exactly how
55:53
Speaker 1: it works, but I mean that would make That makes
55:56
Speaker 1: more sense than like, you know, physically shifting or physically
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Speaker 1: turning into something. It would be more along the lines
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Speaker 1: of like a projection and you're taking on the version
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Speaker 1: that you have in your mind as to what animal.
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Speaker 2: Dude. To me, that's scarier than if it was like
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Speaker 2: just a paranormal manifestation, Like that's somebody with intention of
56:23
Speaker 2: doing some messed up stuff that has some major control
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Speaker 2: over that shit. That to me is more terrifying than
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Speaker 2: just like a ghost or something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and it's really scary and I that's
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Speaker 1: been my contention for a while while looking into the
56:38
Speaker 1: Skinwalker and like this paranormal stuff and Polterguy's like activity.
56:43
Speaker 1: I think it makes more sense, the most sense that
56:48
Speaker 1: it's that it's like a bylocation projection of somebody that's
56:53
Speaker 1: in a really deep meditative state. I mean, we know
56:56
Speaker 1: how remov youing like worked in the evolving nature of
57:00
Speaker 1: like remote viewing, and I think that that's like the ultimate,
57:06
Speaker 1: like the end goal of remote viewing is essentially by location,
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Speaker 1: by locating your physical body, and now that can be
57:16
Speaker 1: your own physical body, or you can take the shape
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Speaker 1: or the form of anything you want. Essentially, I feel
57:23
Speaker 1: like that would be the master form of that type
57:27
Speaker 1: of technology. Can't prove it, obviously, it can't prove it,
57:31
Speaker 1: but it makes sense to me.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure the level of knowledge
57:39
Speaker 2: that we have integrated with forms of technology, we can
57:44
Speaker 2: probably achieve some massively spooky things, because if any of
57:51
Speaker 2: the things that they were doing in the sixties and
57:53
Speaker 2: seventies has been expanded upon, the possibilities are pretty amazing.
58:01
Speaker 2: And I think that, you know, the levels of technology
58:03
Speaker 2: that is not available to the public is much more
58:09
Speaker 2: sophisticated than anything that we've ever could understand really, and
58:13
Speaker 2: when integrated with things like psychic remote viewing, I mean,
58:18
Speaker 2: who knows what's possible with that stuff.
58:21
Speaker 1: Well, it's another thing that is becoming really popular now
58:23
Speaker 1: is the phrase and what you have in your movie
58:26
Speaker 1: is NHI, right, non human intelligence. But it's another thing
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Speaker 1: that literally coincides at this very moment with our technology
58:38
Speaker 1: and with AI, because AI is a non human intelligence.
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Speaker 2: Well, to me, I have to go back to ancient accounts.
58:49
Speaker 2: I have to go back to the paranormal and experiences
58:54
Speaker 2: that have been documented before. Although we can't talk to
58:57
Speaker 2: those people, we can't find out if it's you know,
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Speaker 2: real or any thing like that. That to me says
59:03
Speaker 2: that before we had access to these level of technology,
59:06
Speaker 2: this was capable. Now, whether it's still like you said,
59:10
Speaker 2: a person doing this and projecting himself to cause these
59:13
Speaker 2: events to happen or something else, to me, I still
59:17
Speaker 2: couldn't you know, I have no idea, but the exploration continues.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like it's word games, it's word magic.
59:27
Speaker 1: And they use a really common phrase that can mean
59:31
Speaker 1: several different things, and that's a really popular one that's
59:35
Speaker 1: popped up recently. I think there was a two gentlemen
59:40
Speaker 1: from that that movie with the Fox guy James Fox.
59:47
Speaker 1: I think is Jos Phenomena the Phenomena. Yeah, yeah, you're
59:51
Speaker 1: gonna have two guys on there for that was a
59:53
Speaker 1: part of that documentary and they were talking about non
59:55
Speaker 1: human intelligence and like all that. I'm like, well, this
59:58
Speaker 1: is just so interesting because right now we're seeing this
1:00:02
Speaker 1: gigantic boom and AI, which is non human intelligence. It's
1:00:08
Speaker 1: not a human it's an artificial non human intelligence. So
1:00:14
Speaker 1: whenever someone says, oh well, because the one guy was
1:00:17
Speaker 1: essentially saying, what wasn't one of the more you know,
1:00:22
Speaker 1: frightening things that you heard or whatever, and he was like, oh, well,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: the NHI, the non human intelligence. And I'm like, well,
1:00:30
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, like, who's to say that there's
1:00:33
Speaker 1: even anybody in any of the craft, right, it could
1:00:36
Speaker 1: be operated by non human intelligence. It could be a drone.
1:00:40
Speaker 1: And that's what drones are. Drones are non human intelligence.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: I mean they have AI drones. That's pretty much what
1:00:46
Speaker 1: all of the drones were over New Jersey. They were
1:00:48
Speaker 1: all AI drones. Yeah, unfortunately operated by non human intelligence,
1:00:54
Speaker 1: operated by AI.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole UFO thing's been just turned on its
1:01:00
Speaker 2: that and against us and weaponized. And these people, whether
1:01:04
Speaker 2: they are aware that they're being used to prop up
1:01:07
Speaker 2: these narratives n hi UAP, these new terms and the
1:01:11
Speaker 2: theories that go along with it, whether they're aware that
1:01:14
Speaker 2: they're being used to push out these narratives or not,
1:01:19
Speaker 2: they are, and there's they present it as if this
1:01:25
Speaker 2: is the way you know that it is, and they
1:01:27
Speaker 2: have some sort of deep understanding that it's an extraterrestrial
1:01:32
Speaker 2: when in reality they you know, I don't think these
1:01:35
Speaker 2: people have any idea. Although they have, they may have
1:01:40
Speaker 2: an understanding enough to manipulate whatever is occurring during these experiences.
1:01:48
Speaker 2: There's I think there's always some level of occurrence that
1:01:53
Speaker 2: is beyond human understanding or should be. And I think
1:01:57
Speaker 2: that some of these nerd dorks need to stop messing
1:02:00
Speaker 2: with a lot of that stuff. But that's just me.
1:02:03
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