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FTTxJT 073026 hr1 "The Fifth of Beat Over" · First Thing Today with Joe Thomas

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  Speaker 1: This is independence from Virginia again. First Thing Today by
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  Speaker 1: Joe Thomas on the Tunk Media Network.
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  Speaker 2: Jewort's aid steal me stem you have a day at
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  Speaker 2: least for work when the sun comes up, drops a
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  Speaker 2: pear into school. Anyway, Joe has everything a dream do.
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  Speaker 2: All the jasus needs no one that Joe sais smiled,
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  Speaker 2: he all the AIGs.
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  Speaker 3: Joe, thank you for letting me be of service to
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  Speaker 3: you this morning. Are you ready for a Thursday morning?
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  Speaker 4: On the Visive Council, I respect in decline to answer
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  Speaker 4: based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: Darn it, I was hoping to get you. You have
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  Speaker 3: any questions uh for me? I promise anything you asked me,
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  Speaker 3: I won't plead the Fifth Amendment on the Advisive Council.
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  Speaker 4: I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under
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  Speaker 4: the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: Over and over again, one hundred and eleven times. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: they kept score. He wouldn't even answer what the color
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  Speaker 3: of the rug was. Mister, Uh, pardon me, doctor fauci,
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  Speaker 3: do do you know what the Fifth Amendment says?
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  Speaker 4: On the Advisive Council, I respectfully declined to answer based
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  Speaker 4: upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: Doctor Fauci, what's the color of the rug in front
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  Speaker 3: of you?
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  Speaker 4: On the Advisive Council, I respectfully declined to answer, based
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  Speaker 4: upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: Over and over and over again. Why if he showed, well, actually,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, this is exactly the kind of discipline
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  Speaker 3: a mind that can concoct an entire scenario in which
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  Speaker 3: he spends taxpayer money to the Chinese Communist Party in
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  Speaker 3: exchange for gain of function research. And it's it's become
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  Speaker 3: even less so. And and maybe you joined me in
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  Speaker 3: this feeling. It's like an itching. You can't get to
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  Speaker 3: it either. It's like right in that spot of your back.
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  Speaker 3: Because I have a question, and I will confess as
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  Speaker 3: the as a child of the Watergate era. I have
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  Speaker 3: a question for doctor Fauci that wasn't asked yesterday. But
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  Speaker 3: this all began when we were told we were no
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  Speaker 3: longer doing doing gain of function research in Atlanta. So,
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  Speaker 3: doctor Fauci, what did the president know and win?
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  Speaker 4: On the Advisive Counsel, I respectfully the CLI to answer
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  Speaker 4: based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I thought you'd tell me there four three
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  Speaker 3: and eleven Fifth Amendment invocations. Yesterday at the hearings, committee
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  Speaker 3: chair Senator rand Paul closed the hearing by saying they
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  Speaker 3: will reconvene next week because we've learned very well that
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  Speaker 1: The first thing today on the Tunk Media Network by
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  Speaker 1: Joe Thomas.
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  Speaker 16: Judge at eight am, I no horiz and I'll tell
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  Speaker 16: him outside.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to confess. I enjoy me some Cooper Allen,
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  Speaker 3: I really do he goes, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: anyone's playing him or not. I've talked to some folks
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  Speaker 3: in country music, but they don't really have any control
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  Speaker 3: over the music they play. They apparently get it piped
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  Speaker 3: in from corporate headquarters. So I don't know if he's
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  Speaker 3: getting any radio play outside of places like this. It's
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  Speaker 3: probably going to get a little bit this morning. The
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  Speaker 3: Tony Fauci blues the Fifth Amendment. We spent a little
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  Speaker 3: time on it, and we sat down with a great
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  Speaker 3: constitutional barrister to discuss exactly you know, what the Fifth
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  Speaker 3: Amendment means in abstract too, but also in in your
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  Speaker 3: applications as well, because it's not it's not just Tony
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  Speaker 3: Fauci doing it. This is this is your rights as
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  Speaker 3: well as Tony Fauci's. And uh, we'll get into the
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  Speaker 3: conversation I had with Matt about it in a moment.
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  Speaker 3: But the question I raised a moment ago, what did
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  Speaker 3: the president know and win? See, years and years ago,
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  Speaker 3: there was this fella whose name was Michael mann Ardent.
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  Speaker 3: Consumers of talk radio know the name because he's the
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  Speaker 3: one who sued the great Mark Stein, who when I
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  Speaker 3: bring up Michael Man, people will often say, Joe, be careful.
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  Speaker 3: He sued Mike mark Stein. Well, yes, he sued mark
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  Speaker 3: Stein because mark Stein said that he might be the
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  Speaker 3: worst employee State college or Penn State University had, including
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  Speaker 3: Jerry Sandusky. And you know, once you dropped the Jerry
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  Speaker 3: Sandusky bomb, he was the former defensive coordinator for Penn
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  Speaker 3: State who was more offensive in how he behaved towards
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  Speaker 3: young boys, especially since he ran a summer camp for
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  Speaker 3: young boys. So mark Stein's problem was that he said
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  Speaker 3: that Michael Man was the worst Penn State employee, even
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  Speaker 3: worse than Jerry Sandusky. That's what got him sued, just
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  Speaker 3: bringing up the fact that Michael Man is a shyster
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  Speaker 3: and a con man and perhaps the at least the
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  Speaker 3: climatologist's face of scientism. That word that was coined by
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  Speaker 3: doctor Robert Malone to give name to the people who
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  Speaker 3: are given a bag of money and an answer and
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  Speaker 3: told to go find the question that brings us there.
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  Speaker 3: Douglas Adams fans will know that, generally speaking, when somebody
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  Speaker 3: is proposed with an answer and not a question, they'll
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  Speaker 3: often get a big bag of forty two. But I
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  Speaker 3: bring up Michael Mann, because years ago he worked for
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  Speaker 3: a university not far from where we're flagged from, not
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  Speaker 3: far from where Thomas Jefferson sat and studied documents of
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  Speaker 3: the Enlightenment on his way to writing the Declaration of
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  Speaker 3: Independence two hundred and fifty years ago, in case you forgot,
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  Speaker 3: as a matter of fact, he was employed by the
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  Speaker 3: university that after the mister Jefferson did that and went
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  Speaker 3: to France and did other things, came back home and
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  Speaker 3: founded the University of Virginia. Michael Mann working for the
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  Speaker 3: university in the early stages of the hockey stick that
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  Speaker 3: Al Gore used to prove his point in his science fiction. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's a little bit science fiction, a little bit fantasy.
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  Speaker 3: It ain't a documentary an inconvenient truth. So Michael Mann
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  Speaker 3: is working at Penn State at this point. But the
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  Speaker 3: Attorney General for Virginia, Kenkouchinelli, wanted to find out if
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  Speaker 3: his client, the University of Virginia, had been a participant
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  Speaker 3: in a fraud against taxpayer's case. See, if you get
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  Speaker 3: taxpayer money under fraudulent premise, you're supposed to go to prison.
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  Speaker 3: There's a law, it's called the Fraud against Taxpayers Act.
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  Speaker 3: Also want to know why nobody's brought this up to
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  Speaker 3: Tony take the shot leave the Canolis Fauci, But not
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  Speaker 3: a lawyer, nor a senator, I I work for a living,
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  Speaker 3: But the University of Virginia, Sir. The Wagons told their
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  Speaker 3: own lawyer that you know you can't see him. I
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't hide him in the stove. If all those documents
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  Speaker 3: were so important, Would I hide him in this stove
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  Speaker 3: and throw this lit match in there? No, I guess
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  Speaker 3: you wouldn't grab it. You wouldn't. So what wound up
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  Speaker 3: happening is the great Chris Horner, author of Red Hot, Lies,
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  Speaker 3: Power Grab, and so much other looks into the fraud
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  Speaker 3: that is the Climate World, issued Foyer requests to other
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  Speaker 3: universities that Michael Mann had bragged about working with in
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  Speaker 3: the development of the hockey stick. See, they weren't nearly
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  Speaker 3: as prickly about sharing all the emails, So we were
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  Speaker 3: able to learn what Michael Man had been doing through
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  Speaker 3: back channel, if you will, the other people he was
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  Speaker 3: working with who weren't nearly as ardent about protecting his silence.
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  Speaker 3: So that's where I feel like we need to go
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  Speaker 3: with Tony Fauci, he's going to Fifth Amendment up. So
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  Speaker 3: let's start talking to the other unindicted co conspirators. See
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  Speaker 3: if Rico charge or two could be used to pry
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  Speaker 3: a few of these people loose. And the most important
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  Speaker 3: one is the boss of the operation, Tony Faunci, didn't
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  Speaker 3: invent this stuff. He was told to do this by
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  Speaker 3: the White House. That White House that we already know
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  Speaker 3: is not beyond leaning on a few businesses like Bearisma
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  Speaker 3: Holdings to make themselves some cash, but also to make
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  Speaker 3: themselves some political gravit tasks. So the question that has
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  Speaker 3: to be asked next is what did President Obama know
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  Speaker 3: and win? Because that's the key is President Obama is
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  Speaker 3: the one that ordered all this to start. He's the
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  Speaker 3: one that said we're not going to do gain of
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  Speaker 3: function research here in the United States. And that's when
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  Speaker 3: it all moved to the Wuhan labs of China and
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  Speaker 3: the labs that I imagine haven't been bombed by Russia
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  Speaker 3: yet in Ukraine and France. There's some of those labs
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  Speaker 3: in France. All those places, we didn't want to do
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  Speaker 3: the dirty work on gain of function weaponization of bio terror.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's important to find out what did
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  Speaker 3: the president know and win? And everyone's dancing around that topic.
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  Speaker 3: Is he still the magic president? Is any allegation of
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  Speaker 3: wrongdoing by Barack Obama still cloaked in a white sheet
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  Speaker 3: of racism? Because it seems like it? Because that's the
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  Speaker 3: question I'd want to know. Tony Faunci bragged about how
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  Speaker 3: many presidents he worked for? What about this one one?
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  Speaker 12: So far, so far. You know, if you can get
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  Speaker 12: Well, generally, the part of the Amendment that people plead
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  Speaker 21: But Jelly wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't pleading that part. He wasn't like hey dragged
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  Speaker 12: I think Grand Paul would have as well. So we're
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  Speaker 3: Is that a court of law thing where if you
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  Speaker 3: witness pleading the fifth.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think in court you're not supposed to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Somewhere there's a piece of paper with Joe Biden's signature
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  Speaker 12: It's an interesting question what privileging and self incrimination does
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  Speaker 3: So I think Senator Hawley also asked doctor Fauci if
• 33:25
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  Speaker 3: There were so many Republican senators that were getting the
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  Speaker 3: same answers. I know he was also asked what the
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  Speaker 3: color of the rug was in front of him, and
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  Speaker 3: he pled the Fifth to that. But I thought it
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  Speaker 3: I would be to hear such a thing.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think generally it was more theatrical than real,
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• 34:36
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• 34:54
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• 35:03
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  Speaker 12: Well, and I seem to recall Steve Bannon was held
• 35:21
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  Speaker 1: Amaze your friends here in First Thing Today by Joe Thomas.
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  Speaker 24: In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by
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  Speaker 24: two separate and equally important groups, the police who investigate
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  Speaker 3: I like this text message from Lou who writes in
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: don't you work just down the street from Tony Fauci's
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Sundance kid parentheses presuming Tony Fauci is Butch Cassidy see me.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: I like to stay at least somewhat consistent. So if
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: we're gonna call uh the esteemed former infectious disease Tony,
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: take the shot, leave the Canoli's Fauci, then what you
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: need then is to go back to the Godfather scene
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: where that comes from, and then then you go Polli gatto,
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: No Polly was the one that was shot right in
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: the scene, and then it was take the gun. So
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: it was rock O Lampone was the other one, I
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: forget the name, sometimes you remember the scenes, and of
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: course Clemenza Fauci would be Clemenza. And then doctor Francis Collins,
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: who you mentioned, yes, grew up just blocks from our
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: flagship radio station in Stanton, Virginia. So proud we are.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Is it something in the water you see? I mean
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: we got Would Wilson and Francis Collins and it's just
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: techno crad after techno crack coming out of Stanton, Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: Well we'll blow up the whole thing anyway. Matthew Harden
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: of the Government Accountability and Oversight Group on the and
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  Speaker 3: Matt you got to bring the yunks. We're a morning
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  Speaker 3: radio show. We're supposed to be making people feel good
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: to get into your day, and you're a little bit
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: of a downer there, but you say we shouldn't be
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: holding our breath to see if Tony is fitted for
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: an orange jumpsuit.
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  Speaker 12: I will give you a spoiler alert. Even if Congress
• 46:33
  Speaker 12: prefers him for contempt of Congress, even if DJ does
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: their best, put this in front of a DC jury,
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: and I don't know how that's going to come out,
• 46:42
  Speaker 12: because justice is not blind and the jury's in DC.
• 46:47
  Speaker 12: I think that's a jurisdiction that vote says, I recall
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: something like ninety four percent Democrat, So you sort of
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: have a preordained conclusion there.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: We learned during Bill Clinton that, you know, a lie
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: under oath is enough. We didn't get him for Whitewater.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: We didn't even get him for sex in the Oval office.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: We got him for lying under oath. So I think
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Tony Fauci's lawyers learned that pretty thoroughly for his testimony.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: What else, What other recourse is there for Rand Paul
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: in the Senate Committee?
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  Speaker 12: Sadly, I don't think there's much right now with this
• 47:24
  Speaker 12: particular individual being deprived of his government position already. I mean,
• 47:28
  Speaker 12: the joke I think five years ago was what if
• 47:31
  Speaker 12: Congress defunded Fauci's salary, And they should have, But he's
• 47:36
  Speaker 12: gone now and you can't defund that anymore. Fauci claimed
• 47:41
  Speaker 12: his whole claim of a Fifth Amendment privilege here was
• 47:44
  Speaker 12: based on the idea that Rand Paul was trying to
• 47:47
  Speaker 12: catch him in a perjury trap basically, and get around
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: the pardon by forcing him to lie about something, which
• 47:54
  Speaker 12: is interesting. Apparently telling the truth was not something that
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: occurred to doctor Fauci. But anyway, that was the idea.
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  Speaker 3: But that was interesting because then the perjury would not
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: have been covered by the pardon, correct.
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  Speaker 12: Correct, And so that was the ideas. You know, he
• 48:08
  Speaker 12: may have been pardoned for his original crime, but he
• 48:10
  Speaker 12: would not have been pardoned for anything new, such as
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: testifying to Congress if he told a lie. So they
• 48:17
  Speaker 12: obviously they can't get him in a perjury trap because
• 48:20
  Speaker 12: he didn't testify, he pled the fifth And so I
• 48:22
  Speaker 12: think other than contempt of Congress, I don't think that
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: they've got much they can do, and the Conservatives can't
• 48:31
  Speaker 12: do much to him. The left still lionizes him no
• 48:33
  Speaker 12: matter what he does. And sadly, this is an individual who,
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: again has Senator Hawley pointed out, profited tremendously personally, financially,
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: in terms of his you know, esteem, He profited tremendously
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: while he, you know, caused so much damage to our country,
• 48:51
  Speaker 12: into so many Americans, and at the end of the day,
• 48:53
  Speaker 12: it seems very likely he got away with it. That
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: is unfortunate, but that's the truth.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: So the last question for you, Matt, I know that
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: in the case of Foya, and I know you work
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: in that famous land of that four letter F word, foya,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: at least in the halls of government. It's a four
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: letter F word. We have had instances. We have mutual
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: friends who are trying to find out what climate scientist
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Michael Mann was doing while under the employee of the
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: government of Virginia at the University of Virginia, and they
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: took doctor Fauci's basic defense of Fifth Amendment. We're not
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: We don't have to give you those documents. What documents?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: We never had those documents. It'll take too long to
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: print them all out. What do you mean? Email works?
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: But over time those who are seeking those documents were
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: able to find the other end of email chains and
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: other participants in those conspiracies, if you will. Is that
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: a recourse for something like this with doctor Chi, Do
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: you keep looking around for people who might have had
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: conversations with doctor Fauci and get them in a perjury
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  Speaker 3: t trap.
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  Speaker 12: I think that's exactly the idea at this point, is
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: to find someone who participated in doctor Fauci's criminal enterprise.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Uh and doesn't a pardon and doesn't have a pardon.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: So that's the idea.
• 50:20
  Speaker 12: Now, how how well that'll work. You know, we'll all
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: find out. The good news is it appears that doctor
• 50:27
  Speaker 12: Fauci wasn't particularly good at his electronic hygiene. I mean,
• 50:30
  Speaker 12: we have his diary came out because he was an
• 50:32
  Speaker 12: idiot and made it on his work computer. Let's protemp
• 50:37
  Speaker 12: keeping a diary, don't do that well.
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: I learned that lesson. I deleted mine and moved it
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: to a hard drive somewhere.
• 50:43
  Speaker 12: Very there were other FOYA documents that came out where
• 50:47
  Speaker 12: Fauci was, I guess using his Gmail account, and that
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. But it's it's very
• 50:54
  Speaker 12: likely that there are documents related to his public position
• 50:56
  Speaker 12: on his Gmail account. So I think if Congress wants
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: to keep pulling the red and see who.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: The we're losing Matt there. See if you can get
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: him back. But if we can't, the question still remains,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: what did the president know and win? This email from
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Mary who asked the important question, Joe, wasn't Tony Fauci
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: working for Donald Trump when all this happened. See that's
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: the public view, is that when COVID struck the United States,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump was president. Yes, Tony Fauci becomes a public
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: figure Donald Trump's president. But I remember the news story,
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: and I remember because it was so out of left field.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: There were no investigative reports into bio weapons or gain
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: of function research. Peter wasn't protesting the spraying of vaccines
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: into the eyes of beagle puppies or anything like that.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: So when the president just went out in the rose garden,
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: President Obama and said, oh, I've just signed to an
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: executive order ordering a CDC to cease the use of
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: gain of function research here in the United States, like
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: you very much, And he walked away from the rose
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: guard And I'm thinking, what the beat was that? What
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: is gain of function? I mean, it started me as like,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: what the what's gain of function mean? And why are
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: we stopping doing and why were we doing it in
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: the first place.
• 52:41
  Speaker 13: And.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: What did the president know? And win.
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