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#144 - Joe Altier - "Just Joe" - Musician/Songwriter · The Chris and Mike Show

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  Where's the music, man? The music's not playing.
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  Where's the music ladies again? I don't know man, it's not
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  playing. You got the live button click.
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  I I do, it's Oh fuck. Whoops.
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  Welcome YouTube and Twitter, I said.
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  It might be a little light on the caffeine this morning.
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  I had already had coffee. Man, I'm trying.
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  I don't. Know what it's for today, I know
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  I. Appreciate that.
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  Yeah, you're. Still, I heard.
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  I heard there's old coffee stirring.
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  Coffee smells so good your friends wouldn't taste it but
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  I'm sorry it's. Mine you cannot take my coffee
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  and you? Came back.
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  There you go, change your life. On queue, right.
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  Hey, it's Chris. I'm Mike.
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  So I'm I'm Chris. He's Mike.
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  So we're waiting for just Joe to come on.
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  Hopefully there's just a glitch in the matrix in in Syracuse,
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  NY. And for those of you who don't
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  know who just Joe is, I'm going to show you this is just Joe.
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  He is a musician, a solo musician at that artist mentor
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  and coach. He does all kinds of bad ass
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  things with songs, like he just dropped this one the other day,
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  which Russia's going back on tour and personally I think it's
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  sacrilegious that Russia's. Going back, I would revisit my
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  favorite song by them, this one's called Limelight.
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  Living on a Lightning Stage approaches the young people for
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  those who think and feel in touch with some reality beyond
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  the killed in cage. Right, Mike, where are you?
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  They shouldn't kick us off because he's redoing it in a
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  different time signature. I know I'm just, you know, I'm
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  just making sure, but that's, that's, that's that's Joe.
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  So he does. He does some really, really cool
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  stuff, as I mentioned. Yeah, definitely go follow him
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  if you're into that kind of stuff, because he really breaks.
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  He breaks it down so that you can hear the way the song is
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  composed. It's really cool.
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  Ronnie James Deal the last in line I.
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  Love the last. One, we're a ship without a
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  stone cold, without the wall light inside the top.
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  Instead of need you, we're a laugh without a tea, the hope
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  without the faith. We are coming.
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  So yeah, it's it's it's some, he's got some legit pipes and
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  he's a good singer and he's an artist and that kind of jazz so.
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  Well, it gives you a really good idea of how well composed those
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  songs were when you hear it broken down on the piano like
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  that, you know? Agreed.
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  So I'm assuming this is his family college so he does watch
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  football. We're not sure if he watches.
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  Anyway, Mike and I were talking before we started the show about
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  about time, the time difference, because in Arizona, I never
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  changed my clocks. Mike changes his clocks, East
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  Coast changes his clock. But in Arizona we just stay the
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  same. So it's, I always have that fear
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  when I tell somebody 9:00 AM Pacific Standard Time that,
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  that, you know, it's like, oh, wait a minute, you know which
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  time was which? Here's a conundrum.
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  So still having you by scorpions right there.
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  See it. And then up here, still having
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  you by scorpions. That's interesting.
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  I don't know if it's the same one or not.
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  It's hard to tell. It is hard to tell, but hey,
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  he's just just so he can do whatever he wants.
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  Here's here's dreamer Ozzy. Agreed.
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  One of my favorite Ozzy songs. Oh yeah.
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  The window wrapped the world outside, Wandering Marvelous
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  survive, hoping that mankind will stop abusing her sometime.
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  After all, is only just the two of us and he.
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  We are still fighting for our lives, watching all of history
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  repeat itself time after time. So the cool thing about him too,
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  is that for those of us that you think you understand a lyric and
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  you think you understand what the artist is actually saying,
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  it's interesting to have the lyrics actually drop in front of
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  you because like, oh, that's what he says.
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  And I don't think people realize.
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  I mean, I mean, I could be completely wrong.
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  I don't think people realize how deep Ozzie's lyrics are for the
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  most part. Like the dude, the dude just
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  didn't write stupid shit. There were so much like war
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  references and because when he grew up right in the time of of
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  his youth was World War 2 was in that era, right?
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  Absolutely. So it's kind of like Pink
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  Floyd's the wall and stuff, right?
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  Where the Roger Walters that whole Wall album really is about
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  the war, anti war and all that kind of jazz.
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  Yeah, as kids, they saw their whole country crumbled.
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  Yeah, yeah. So that's the cool thing that if
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  if you dive deep into Ozzy's catalog, you're going to hear
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  songs that that have actual deep rooted meaning that you wouldn't
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  think otherwise, which is really cool.
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  Yeah, that's so true. Those guys grew up like the
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  Americans. The Allies won the war, but
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  you're even England, you know, they got bombed and they had to
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  rebuild. And those guys saw that as kids.
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  Americans are the only ones that saw it are the soldiers that
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  went over there and everyone saw it in Europe.
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  So it's a very powerful statement because it's so true.
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  That's where a lot of those deep rooted and deep seated feelings
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  and you know, what is life all about?
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  You know, they started asking that as very young children.
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  Yeah, it's kind of like when we had Yuri on from Russia and he
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  and he realized what a 10% of his life was gone at the age of
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  10. At 10 years old.
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  Yeah. I'll tell you the other thing
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  about Ozzy, that he's one of the few that you can actually
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  understand most of his lyrics. And then when he talks in real
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  life, he can't understand a word he says that it's so.
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  Weird. It is weird, right?
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  And then? Because as a Hard Rock artist,
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  he's one of the few you really can pick out most of the words.
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  Yeah, but you're right, some of the things slip by.
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  And Joseph, there's a couple things in that Dreamer song that
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  I didn't know what he was saying.
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  Anything so. Yeah, it's cool.
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  That's why you know when when back in the day when you got
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  cassette tapes and final records, you'd, you'd open up
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  the vinyl and then on the inside sleeve that you know, how is the
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  record for those of you who don't know, that one side always
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  had lyrics on it typically, or if it was a double bomb, you
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  open it up and you see the lyrics on it.
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  And the same with cassette tapes.
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  Were you like me when you got the cassette tape?
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  When they finally went to that and there was no lyrics, you
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  were like fuck. Right.
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  It sucked, man. It was like the whole point is
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  you want to know what they're saying because sometimes you
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  can't pick up what they're saying because the way they
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  like, you know, Nirvana fucking I already knew what Cobain was
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  saying, man. You needed the lyrics.
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  Vetter's the same way Creed had some songs where you didn't
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  understand what staff was saying.
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  So the the lyrics that always helped you understand what they
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  were saying. Oh, this is where it's at.
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  This, you know, this is what he's talking about.
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  This is the line because you just otherwise you just don't,
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  you just don't get it. So, you know, it's, it was, it's
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  it's a travesty when you don't have the ability to look at
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  lyrics. Now, obviously you can just
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  Google machine it and, and find the lyrics, all that kind of
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  jazz, which is kind of cool. So.
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  Yeah, we didn't have that luxury back then.
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  No, no Google at all. So here is another thing of just
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  Joe's. This is this is his his link
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  tree. So the cool thing about this, if
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  you don't know boys and girls, these are all links.
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  So these are all songs that he's done.
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  And then you have website. So you have his just his website
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  and his shows. Fiverr, which I didn't know he
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  was on Fiverr. Fiverr's a cool little platform.
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  What is Fiverr I've I've heard? Of it, I don't know what it is
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  though. Fiverr's the ones that did our
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  original logo when we first started.
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  I paid a guy 20 bucks on Fiverr to come up with our logo.
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  Oh, so that original Chris and Mike show logo was done by them?
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and that's the cool thing about
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  fiber. It's a big websites to, you
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  know, whatever you want, virtual system, stuff like that.
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  He's got his merchandise and stuff, which is cool, I'm sure.
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  Oh, let's I bet his YouTube channel is insane.
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  Let's, let's let's stop sharing. Go to his YouTube channel and I
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  will share his YouTube channel. Hopefully nothing happened to
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  Joe because, you know, so there's, OK, I can subscribe.
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  So I got to figure out how I did that.
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  It was automatically saying subscribe to me.
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  So there's just Joe's website. It's ironically enough he has
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  more subscribers on Instagram and Facebook individually than
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  he does on YouTube, which is shocking because you would
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  think. He probably started there first.
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  He's got a. He's got a piano on his
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  shoulder. I can't click on it because that
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  is a great picture. That is an awesome picture.
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  But there's there's this, there's this stuff, man, all
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  this videos, all his songs. Oh, so he has his own stuff.
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  Oh yeah. His meeting, his meeting ran
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  over. He just messaged me.
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  I will tell him just to jump on Weird little dynamic here, boys
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  and girls, you are good. Jump on.
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  We are talking about you anyway. This is how you know that this
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  is 100% unscripted and live. Ladies and gentlemen, you are
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  experiencing life live in real time with us and recorded later
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  for you. How do you like that?
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  Pre recorded. That pre recorded, they're
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  experiencing it live at the same time as us.
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  Pre recorded for them. Exactly.
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  Unless you're fortunate enough to be watching us on YouTube or
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  Twitch and then it's live for you right now.
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  So yeah, thank. You so I so I I so is this him
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  or is this this is this I don't I?
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  Don't it looks like him. I don't have some glasses on,
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  but that face. Looks like, let's see.
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  Wrap your head around that, boys and girls.
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  Joe is Joe before Joe is Joe. We're laying down the You're
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  welcome. I don't know.
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  I don't know, but Joe is Joe. Euphemisms.
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  Euphemism. There's a euphemism?
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  Yes, exactly. Laying down the euphemisms.
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  Laying down the euphemisms. So we're going to, we're going
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  to jump back on to. Well, now I want to talk about
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  original music with Joe too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  So let's go back to the to the share here and I'm going to show
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  you his Facebook page. There's his Facebook page coming
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  up, just Joe Date. So this is what just just
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  playing again. He's on the East Coast, so
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  there's some of his upcoming shows.
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  We missed some of those actually.
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  So 17th. Oh, he's playing tonight at
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  Fireside by the River from 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM and then tomorrow
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  night, Freight Yard Brewing from 6 to 9 and then on the 20th at
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  Fratello's from 6:00 to 9:00 PM So.
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  Welcome, Joe. If.
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  You're welcome. Oh, is Joe here?
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  Hey, Joe. Yeah, I just got here finally.
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  Can you turn your phone the other way, brother?
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  Hold on. There we go.
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  Yeah, exactly. No, you're sideways.
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  Go. That's where I was.
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  There you go. That's that's where I was
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  before. Oh, I don't know.
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  I don't know. Who knows?
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  Technology, man. How are you, Joe?
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  Good man. It didn't have you centered
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  before, so I all right, we. Got it.
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  No, no I was. I had to pull apart a keyboard
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  this morning and they has literally 78 screws in it to get
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  to 1 little part and it takes two people because you need all
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  these. So that got done and then I got
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  on a meeting and I keep looking at, I keep looking at the time.
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  I'm like people, I got to go, I got to go, I got something to
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  do. It's all good.
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  So here I am. Well spent.
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  We spent the 1st 10 minutes showing your socials, your
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  Instagram, your I pulled up your link tree, threw up on Facebook,
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  now threw up on YouTube, and then as I was scrolling down on
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  YouTube we came across brand New sin.
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  Yeah. Dude, so so Mike's excited about
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  that. Go ahead, Mike.
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  I. Didn't know you did original
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  music, man. I thought I was.
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  We found Joe with hair. Although all those, that's all
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  my original stuff right there. Oh, right on.
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  I wonder what was behind you in all your videos.
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  Man, that's cool. Yeah, I was.
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  Well, I mean, it was. Amazing.
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  Yeah, I was. That's where the music, I mean,
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  I was, I never put out music prior to that.
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  When I joined the band in 2001, I was at 24 years ago.
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  And then from 2001 to 2000, early 2008, I was in that band.
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  And yeah, we toured all extensively across the United
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  States, North America, the UK. We put, you know, put toward
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  Motörhead a couple times, Black Label Society, Breaking
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  Benjamin, I mean, the, the, the list goes on and on.
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  It was, it was, it was quite the journey, you know, and you know,
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  yeah, we put out three full length albums.
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  And then as just Joe, I've put out, I think I don't know at
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  this point. 4. Folding thousands, 2 EPS and
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  countless singles that are all originals.
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  So yeah, most, most people don't know like, oh, you're just the
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  cover guy. I'm like, oh, I, I do originals,
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  but if I put up originals all the time, people like, you know,
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  yeah, yeah. But we have a site, yeah, I
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  still have your YouTube page up. So you guys keep talking.
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  I'll just keep scrolling through it.
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  So. Go back to 2001.
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  How old was Joe in 2001? Let's go back before When did
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  you start playing? Five, I'm 51, so I started
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  playing, I started playing piano.
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  It was about 5. My mom played piano and she, she
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  taught me how to read music and, you know, basic chords and, and,
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  and notes on the piano. So right at the same time I was
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  learning how to read music or read words, I was learning how
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  to reading music. So reading music is really
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  second nature to me. So and then I took.
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  Get her in a band for the. First, well, I just kind of
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  toiled for years. I just kind of did my piano
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  thing or a jam with people. But I never joined anything
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  because the first part of my life was all about sports.
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  I played football and track. I was recruited.
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  Have a leaf in college to play football and all track.
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  I was a shot putter, discus thrower and I, I love football
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  so much and that was really my focus.
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  So football and lifting. So that got me into college and
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  all the way through college I played college football.
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  But during that time I just Saint John Fisher, it's a
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  Division Three school in Rochester, NY And and during
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  college, I just used to bring my piano to parties.
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  So they brought me in for free and I drink for free.
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  And if I if I just played music all night.
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  So and it was, it was the best way to meet women.
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  So right, but not everybody that's.
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  Why y'all getting bands? That's why y'all getting bands,
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  Joe. We want to meet the Chicks, man.
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  Yeah, it's true, It's true. But I was, yeah.
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  And everyone was like, well, what are you here for college
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  for? I'm like, I'm going to be a
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  social studies teacher in college football.
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  And they're like, but you're so good at music.
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  I'm like, I don't want to be a starving artist.
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  You know, it's so hard to get into the business I don't want
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  to do. And when I left college, I went
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  back to college and got my recording engineering, like
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  learned how to do stuff in the studio, live sound, all that
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  stuff. Went back and got a degree in
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  that. And that brought me up to about
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  2001. And then at that time I was
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  like, man, I just want to be in a band, you know?
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  And Long story short, I went and tried out for what became Brand
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  New Sin. And they already had label
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  interest because they had a band.
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  There was the core of the band. This is a lot I'm thrown at you,
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  but the core of the band, the core of the band was already
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  together. The other five guys were already
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  together in a band previously and they kicked the singer out
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  and they wanted a new singer but they wanted to change the sound
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  of the band and they already had label interests at that time.
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  So the all the labels were just like well when you get a new
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  singer, let us know. And I joined the band.
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  We wrote a couple songs. 3 weeks later went into the studio.
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  This is October of 2001. We had 1-2 record labels come up
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  and one of them dropped the contract right on the spot.
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  So like I joined my first band and went in a month I had a
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  record deal. That's awesome.
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  That's crazy, man. And then that was off to the
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  races and I quit all my day jobs at the time and I've been a full
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  time musician since, you know, early 2002.
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  And yeah, I became a starving artist.
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  I guess I didn't want to become so here I am.
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  When you guys signed that, you went in the studio, you dropped
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  your album. What was the first tour that
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  they sent you out on to promote that album?
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  We did a very short tour with a couple other bands on our label.
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  We went down mainly just to get us to South by Southwest, which
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  is, I don't know if you guys have.
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  Yeah, we went down there to play the showcase and, and that was
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  how we landed a booking agent and distribution and overseas
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  and all this stuff. But after that, our very first
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  tour, so we did 5 shows and we came back from that and the next
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  tour we went out with was with Motörhead and Morbid Angel and
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  Morbid Angel. So you're talking from September
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  of 2001 to April of 2002, you know that?
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  What's that? That's 6-7 months.
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  I went from not being in a band to opening for Motörhead like
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  most people are. Going to know who Motörhead is.
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  I know who Morbid Angel is. Like you, I started playing
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  guitar when I was 9, so we've been at it a long time.
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  I'm a year older than you, Chris is a couple years older than me,
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  so we're all right in the same wheelhouse.
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  How much interaction did you have with Motörhead?
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  Because Lemmy is a lot all of our heroes for.
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  Sure. A lot.
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  You know, the first date that we did with them was in Denver, Co
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  and I just remember we pulled up to the Ogden Theatre, We were
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  sitting in the theatre. Motörhead was sound checking
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  and, and we're just sitting over there and all of a sudden Lemmy
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  comes walking by and we're like, Oh my God, it's, you know, it's
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  fucking Lemmy, you know, and we just, we didn't know what to do,
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  you know, So we just, you know, we just kind of just sat back
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  and wait. And you know, when you're an
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  opening ban on a big tour like that, you just keep your mouth
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  shut until someone tells you to do something.
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  And then all of a sudden, you know, Lemmy comes over and
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  introduces himself and he's like, I really like, I really
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  like you guys. I like, I came looking forward
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  to, to hearing you guys play and whatever else you guys need, you
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  know, please let me or this guy know.
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  And it was their tour manager, Adam.
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  And you know, they were, they, they took us under their wings
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  and not only for that tour, but then in 2005, they asked us to
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  go back out. And that one was us and
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  Motörhead and corrosion and conformity.
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  Also another band that I looked up to so much, people who are
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  listening right now that aren't as musician nerds as the three
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  of us. The 2 bands that he just
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  mentioned are bands that if they walked by somebody like James
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  Hetfield, he would have the same feeling that the three of us
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  have. He would look at those guys and
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  say those are my heroes. And.
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  It's because they ate, slept, breathed the lifestyle.
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  Just like, you know, They weren't chasing the big hit on
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  the radio. They weren't looking for fortune
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  and fame. They wanted to play music on
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  their terms. And.
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  I appreciated that. And and that was and everything
• 20:40
  you've ever heard about Lemmy or have seen about Lemmy or said
• 20:43
  about Lemmy was absolutely 100% too.
• 20:46
  That dude was that's who he was. There was no act, you know, like
• 20:50
  some people you meet, I've met some people and it's not, I'm
• 20:53
  not begging against them, but the person that you meet off
• 20:56
  stage and the person that you see on stage are two completely
• 21:00
  different people. And that's fine, you know,
• 21:02
  because there's times all of us are.
• 21:03
  I mean, when you're performer, you're you're a performer,
• 21:06
  you're going to have a somewhat a little different personality.
• 21:09
  Lammy was not Lammy was the exact same person that you've
• 21:12
  always seen. He's the same person as he was
• 21:14
  on stage as he was off stage. He was incredibly kind,
• 21:17
  incredibly intelligent and him and I struck up a friendship
• 21:20
  just because I was a history major and and he really loved
• 21:26
  history. He was really fascinated.
• 21:28
  World. War 2 buff, Nazi Germany buff,
• 21:32
  anything like that. So even if we weren't on tour
• 21:36
  with them and we were in in, in Hollywood and we'd always end up
• 21:39
  at the Rainbow and, and Lemmy would be at the rainbow and I
• 21:43
  just go up to him and him and I would sit there and, and just
• 21:46
  talk history and talk, you know, talk shop man.
• 21:49
  And I just I really appreciated his friendship and his guidance
• 21:54
  and just watching like, you know, he's God.
• 21:59
  Let me is God, let me. Is God remember the Remember the
• 22:02
  movie Airheads with William Frazier and Abstract?
• 22:04
  Yeah. Yeah, who would win in a fight?
• 22:06
  Let me. Let me versus God.
• 22:08
  Right God, wrong trick. Trick question.
• 22:11
  Let me is God. Yeah.
• 22:13
  And and that's and it was. But you know, I think my
• 22:16
  favorite part of Lem was he did an interview and I believe Metal
• 22:23
  Edge magazine in 2005 and they asked them they're like, well,
• 22:27
  we all know what you've been listening to for years and your
• 22:30
  influences. What did, what are what are you
• 22:32
  listening to now? In the first band, Office Tongue
• 22:37
  was my band and I was like, all right, I'm cool.
• 22:41
  I don't care what anyone else says about my band, about the
• 22:45
  reviews, anything else. Lemmy things were cool.
• 22:48
  So fuck everybody else. And that's so cool, man.
• 22:51
  Yeah. Very few people can have that
• 22:54
  story so. No, it's very few wanted.
• 22:56
  To know, you know, was he really?
• 22:58
  And I've heard the same thing from so many musicians.
• 23:01
  As far as Lemmy's concerned, all the stories are all positive.
• 23:04
  Yeah, all positive and just just man, what a what a cool dude.
• 23:11
  What a cool dude. And all he cared about was
• 23:13
  music, man. He just wanted, he just wanted
• 23:15
  to drink his Jack and Coke and get up and play music and that
• 23:19
  was it. That was that was all he wanted
• 23:22
  to do. And he loved his women.
• 23:24
  Oh, tell you that most people couldn't understand.
• 23:27
  I have Oh my God, that was the lot.
• 23:30
  I I can't believe how loud that band was and anybody who's ever
• 23:33
  seen ever saw got the chance to see motor high will know that
• 23:36
  like that. I mean the on stage volume, like
• 23:40
  when we went up to finally sound check that day in Denver and I
• 23:44
  remember my guitar player. They're like, alright, you know,
• 23:46
  the song guys, OK, alright, guitar stage, right.
• 23:49
  And my guitar goes like that. And the monitors were at the
• 23:52
  level that Motörhead Hazmat and those dudes are all so I mean
• 23:57
  it, dude, it, it shook me so much.
• 23:59
  It disoriented me that I was dizzy.
• 24:01
  Wow. I was like, how the fuck?
• 24:04
  On stage volume for the Alder monitors was over 100 decibels
• 24:08
  and it's sometimes close to about 105, which is a jet.
• 24:13
  That's a jet engine. I'll tell you a quick funny
• 24:15
  story, Joe. I've been giving lessons to a
• 24:17
  buddy of mine and he buys this really cool gear and he's still
• 24:22
  learning. So he left a lot of it in my
• 24:24
  studio so that I could enjoy it, right?
• 24:26
  Like these new spark amplifiers he bought, like all the shit
• 24:30
  that goes with it, the cabinet. And so now he's got the spark
• 24:33
  too, and it cranks it up to 140 watts, right?
• 24:37
  And he wants to hear what it sounds like.
• 24:39
  So he starts turning it up and I can see the look on his eyes.
• 24:42
  And at first I thought he was getting scared and he thought he
• 24:45
  was scaring me. He turned the volume back down
• 24:48
  and I just calmly looked at him and said it's only ever going to
• 24:51
  be too loud for you because you have no idea what loud is,
• 24:54
  right? You know, like the rest of us.
• 24:56
  I stood in front of 100 Watt Marshall tube amp with multiple
• 25:01
  cabinets behind me. That's loud.
• 25:03
  Yeah, and, and, and, and unfortunately that's a thing
• 25:06
  that's kind of dying off, you know, like most bands nowadays
• 25:12
  are. No one's got amplified.
• 25:15
  Everything's in here. Everything's like a camper audio
• 25:18
  or a mod, a mod for the people out there.
• 25:21
  Instead of having an amplifier and, and, you know, a, a cabinet
• 25:25
  and an amp, it's just, it's a little POD.
• 25:30
  It's got all your noises in it and there's no stage noise at
• 25:36
  all, which is great when you're there's, there's a lot of
• 25:40
  advantages of it. But for us who grew up, we want
• 25:43
  to feel the air movement. That's and when you're not
• 25:46
  feeling the bass moving air, there's no air moving.
• 25:50
  Like, I saw Fozzie a few years ago, Chris Jericho's band, No
• 25:54
  Cabinets, and the drummer was playing an electric kit.
• 25:59
  It looked real, but everything was electric.
• 26:02
  So then you weren't each even hearing symbol noises coming
• 26:05
  from the stage. So at first you're in a club and
• 26:07
  you're like, this is weird. Your ears all just.
• 26:11
  And then you're like, man, that sounds really good.
• 26:13
  But it was almost too good. It was almost like, man, I want
• 26:16
  my dirty stinky rock'n'roll noise back, but.
• 26:21
  Well, and you don't get, you don't get the element the the,
• 26:24
  the holy shit moment. Like Mike and I have talked
• 26:25
  about this before. We saw Mellencamp in Arizona
• 26:27
  years and years and years ago. And, and I forget what song it
• 26:32
  was, but but the drummer Kenny, he broke a snare.
• 26:34
  So when he hit the drumstick down, you heard he broke the
• 26:36
  snare by the time he lifted his stick up.
• 26:39
  And as you went to hit it back down, the drum tape replaced the
• 26:42
  snare top that quick and we look like, holy shit, did you see
• 26:46
  that? And most people wouldn't
• 26:47
  recognize that in the crowd because you're not focused on
• 26:49
  the individual things as a musician, right?
• 26:51
  Because we don't look at we look at the pieces of the puzzle.
• 26:54
  But you don't you're not going to get that in your scenario.
• 26:57
  So you missed that element of the live, the beautiful thing
• 27:00
  about being live and and everything behind you.
• 27:03
  We're, we're the last generation.
• 27:05
  Well, I wouldn't say we're the last generation, but I would say
• 27:08
  definitely millennials are probably the last generation to
• 27:11
  really enjoy that. And it's like, eventually we're
• 27:14
  going to sound like old. I remember back in the day I'd
• 27:16
  uploaded 6 cabinets and all this stuff.
• 27:19
  I mean, everything's going to evolve because I mean, if you
• 27:22
  talk to the guys that were back in the 60s and they were like
• 27:25
  those EA systems and, and there was no monitor systems and you
• 27:29
  had to have all these mics. There was only two or three
• 27:32
  different styles of microphones. How about a band like REO
• 27:35
  Speedwagon that had to lug around a Hammond B3 organ for
• 27:39
  50? Years, you know, Yeah.
• 27:41
  Or the people that actually had a piano, then they have had
• 27:43
  somebody come and fucking tune the piano every goddamn day.
• 27:47
  Well, they went on in that boat, too.
• 27:48
  They had a Hammond B3 player and Cronin played a grand piano.
• 27:52
  Grand piano. So it it makes things easier.
• 27:56
  It makes things less, you know, you can fix things a lot
• 28:02
  quicker. But if your software goes down,
• 28:05
  you know, but done again, you know, you can blow a tube and an
• 28:08
  amp and stuff like that and you're not it's like NASA you
• 28:11
  like I was just when I was just fixing my keyboard, I was
• 28:15
  ordering some other stuff because like at a gig, I have
• 28:19
  two keyboards, one in the truck, one in in my gig, just in case
• 28:22
  something happens. That keyboard I have, you know,
• 28:25
  multiple cables, multiple microphones, multiple
• 28:28
  everything. You got to be ready for anything
• 28:29
  because. Oh yeah, we had a backup for
• 28:31
  every. You got it, You got it.
• 28:34
  So the first time that I well, I, I got my guitar stolen.
• 28:39
  So I only had one guitar for a while and we had gigs booked in
• 28:43
  perpetuity from the time Chris joined the band, So there was no
• 28:46
  taking time off. So I bought a guitar.
• 28:49
  I begged this friend of mine to sell me this guitar that I still
• 28:52
  have, and that was it. It had a floating tremelo on it
• 28:57
  and I busted a string. So you're, you know, you're up
• 29:00
  shit Creek. I learned very quickly that I
• 29:03
  picked the right three guys to be in a band with me because
• 29:06
  they soldiered on. It took me forever to get that
• 29:09
  thing strong. Yeah, it's, it's, I know my
• 29:13
  daughter just started playing bass and she did can voice
• 29:16
  lessons and she plays violin and all this stuff.
• 29:18
  So, you know, I just had her guitar dropped off at the shop
• 29:22
  up the street to get set up because she's like the action.
• 29:25
  I don't know anything really much about guitars.
• 29:27
  I know the lingo. I know everything about it, but
• 29:29
  I don't know how to play it. I don't know how to fix any of
• 29:31
  it. But I know what she says.
• 29:33
  Yeah. And and she's like, Dad, the
• 29:37
  strings are too high. They get my my bass player and
• 29:41
  her instructor, who I'd known for a number of years.
• 29:43
  I'm like, oh, you need the action set, You need your guest.
• 29:46
  You did the bass set up. She goes, yes.
• 29:48
  So I'm like, that'll get done today.
• 29:50
  So it's up at the shop, my guys fixing out all because the
• 29:53
  strings are she needs some closer so she can, you know, do
• 29:57
  some stuff but but it's pretty cool.
• 29:59
  She chose the bass. Yeah, she.
• 30:02
  She's, I mean, I've never forced her into music.
• 30:06
  You know, I'm once like I assumed that I was just going to
• 30:08
  start giving her voice, voice lessons and, and getting her
• 30:11
  into music. And I'm like, no, I'm going to
• 30:13
  let her go on a musical journey on her own.
• 30:16
  I'm going to let her find it herself.
• 30:18
  If I force it upon her at such a young age, she probably won't
• 30:21
  dig it, but I knew she would find her way to it.
• 30:23
  And then, you know, she got into violin a few years ago.
• 30:26
  She's got an incredible voice, but I don't teach and, and, and
• 30:32
  even if I did teach, I wouldn't teach my own kid.
• 30:35
  There's, it's really most people that I know.
• 30:37
  They're like, I send my kid, I'm an instructor, but I send my kid
• 30:40
  to someone else just because of all that.
• 30:43
  It's kind of like when. They're ready to learn how to
• 30:44
  drive, right? You're not teaching them how to
• 30:45
  drive because she's a kid, man. It's like, no, it's someone else
• 30:48
  can do that. Yeah, but this this summer?
• 30:51
  She went to School of Rock. A dear friend of mine opened the
• 30:55
  School of Rock. It's the first one we have in
• 30:56
  our area and they were just doing like a week amp just to
• 31:00
  get everybody in there. And she went there and the first
• 31:03
  day she's like, man, I really like guitar.
• 31:05
  And then she comes back the second day and she's like, well,
• 31:07
  I played the bass a little bit. And then on Wednesday she's
• 31:10
  like, I'm doing bass. By Friday was their performance.
• 31:15
  She had learned rocking in the free world in like 2 days on the
• 31:19
  bass. And she's like, I want to go
• 31:20
  there for voice lessons and I want to take bass.
• 31:22
  I'm like, you want to play guitar?
• 31:23
  She's like, no, I I like the bass.
• 31:27
  I'm like, I like, I go. Not many people want to play the
• 31:30
  bass. She goes every, everyone wants
• 31:31
  to play guitar. No one plays the bass.
• 31:33
  I go, you're part of the rhythm section.
• 31:35
  I go. And now she's listening to
• 31:37
  songs. She's like, dad, you hear the
• 31:38
  bass in that song and you're what the bass is doing in that
• 31:41
  song. So it's cool, you know, I'm
• 31:43
  excited for. We just recently interviewed.
• 31:46
  Ronnie Robson from Canada, and he was heralded in this guy's
• 31:54
  book, is one of the top 100 most influential bass players
• 31:57
  basically to ever walk the planet.
• 32:00
  We had never heard of the guy and he's still, well, he was a
• 32:04
  lot of his stuff. With studio studio musician,
• 32:05
  he's a very sought after studio. Hollywood Monsters is his latest
• 32:09
  project, I think. But he had he had he just
• 32:12
  anybody and everybody that you can think of musically.
• 32:15
  He's played with some monster like yourself.
• 32:17
  You know, the guy played with some monster players.
• 32:20
  There's people out there. Like that and one of the things
• 32:22
  that I told. Him was the bass is something
• 32:26
  that like your daughter said, everybody wants to play guitar
• 32:29
  because it's out front, right? It's the guy that everybody
• 32:33
  know. It's the same reason I wanted to
• 32:34
  play guitar. But when you get in a band and
• 32:37
  you don't have a bass player and then you get 1, you know, like
• 32:40
  think back to when you were 131415 years old.
• 32:44
  I was in the same boat as you, Joe.
• 32:45
  I spent a lot of time crafting my own sound, right?
• 32:49
  I didn't collaborate with a lot of people till later on and I
• 32:53
  think that benefited me because I did develop my own way of
• 32:56
  playing and I I do have a distinct sound so I.
• 33:01
  When I would give lessons. To kids, it became the running
• 33:05
  joke. It's like, have you ever thought
• 33:06
  about playing bass? Because you'll be in a band like
• 33:09
  that if you learn how to play. Oh, there's not enough.
• 33:11
  Bass players out there, but I I tell everybody and I try not to
• 33:17
  tell a lot of bass players or drummers this.
• 33:19
  I go the what you need in your band without a good bass player
• 33:25
  without without a good drummer, you're shit without the next
• 33:29
  most important part is your bass player because they're they lock
• 33:32
  into each other. But without those, I don't care
• 33:34
  how good of a guitar player you are.
• 33:36
  I don't care how good of a singer are your band sucks.
• 33:39
  You can have a ripping good guitar player.
• 33:41
  You can have a ripping singer, but if you're bass player and
• 33:44
  your drummers suck, you suck those those absolutely the most
• 33:48
  important pieces of your band and I thought you can.
• 33:51
  Have average band with the best drummer in the world and you
• 33:55
  have a great band. If you have the greatest band in
• 33:58
  the world with an average drummer, you have a shit band.
• 34:02
  Just what you said that you can't overcome not having a good
• 34:05
  rhythm section. No, if you if you look.
• 34:07
  At any of the greatest bands out there, man, and all of them
• 34:11
  have, you know, these drummers that are just like or, or rhythm
• 34:15
  sections that are just unbelievable, you know, and, and
• 34:19
  anybody will tell you that. And I'm, I'm, I've been blessed
• 34:22
  in any of the projects I've ever done.
• 34:24
  I've had absolutely amazing drummers, absolutely amazing
• 34:27
  bass players. And anytime I put a project
• 34:30
  together, those, the first two people I think of, I find a
• 34:32
  guitar player, I'll find all the other accessories, man.
• 34:35
  But I need, I need those people. And you know what?
• 34:38
  That's exactly. What I've always thought of
• 34:40
  myself, and I think that's why I never got a big head because
• 34:43
  there's a million guitar players out there, right?
• 34:46
  You just said it and I'm going to start using that from now on.
• 34:48
  Guitar players are an accessory. You know, they're like the other
• 34:51
  thing you put on your car, it's the turbocharger you had.
• 34:55
  There's a million turbochargers in the world.
• 34:57
  We can add it to whatever car we want, but if you don't have Neil
• 35:01
  Pert sitting back there or John Bonham or Ginger Baker, if you
• 35:06
  don't have somebody that can drive the train.
• 35:10
  It falls off the rails. I mean, I I'm glad we came upon
• 35:14
  this discussion because for young musicians out there,
• 35:16
  there's nothing more important than finding the most badass
• 35:19
  drummer and bass player that you can get your hands on.
• 35:22
  One of the things that I was throwing myself under the bus
• 35:25
  for is because I was playing and developing my sound on my own.
• 35:30
  The one thing that I forgot, Joe, was the metronome.
• 35:34
  That's one. Thing.
• 35:36
  That's one thing I've learned. Yeah.
• 35:38
  I've had to learn the hard way that way, you know when I found
• 35:41
  a badass drummer. That was the thing that he beat
• 35:43
  over my head. He would just accentuate that
• 35:45
  one so hard all the time. He's like, you got to meet me
• 35:48
  here. I don't give a shit what you do
• 35:49
  in between. But we got to come back right
• 35:51
  here all the time. Yeah, I my.
• 35:54
  Our second drummer, we had two drummers in Brand New Sin and
• 35:57
  the first drummer we let go and then we brought another guy in
• 36:00
  and he was like, I want to do things to click.
• 36:02
  And we're like, we didn't even record the first record to a
• 36:04
  click track. So we were like, you know, so it
• 36:08
  was tough to get in all that, but he really taught us the the
• 36:10
  importance of it. But he also taught us the
• 36:12
  importance of like being able to weave in and out of that, like,
• 36:16
  because I was always like, man, we're going to stop.
• 36:18
  We're going to be robotic. He's like, no, no, no, it's not,
• 36:21
  it's not that way. It's going to be different, you
• 36:23
  know? And then I really learned when I
• 36:24
  really got into doing studio work, really right before COVID
• 36:29
  started, I was starting to do tracks for other people.
• 36:31
  I was doing, I was working with other people virtually.
• 36:35
  And everybody was like, man, can you, can you play to a click?
• 36:39
  Oh my God, as a piano player, man, I was like, it was really
• 36:43
  hard because I had never done that.
• 36:44
  But I've gotten better at it because it just makes life so
• 36:47
  much easier. But I've also learned what kind
• 36:49
  of Click to put in my ears to, to do it and like do don't just
• 36:53
  come back on the 1:00. And if you fall off it, come
• 36:56
  back and then you can quantize and all that stuff.
• 36:58
  But man, it's made collaborations around the world
• 37:01
  so much easier because then you send something to somebody.
• 37:05
  And likewise when I'm working with somebody and they send me
• 37:07
  stuff to sing over, I know it's all locked into a click.
• 37:11
  So then I'm like, well, I'm just I'm going to sing this course
• 37:13
  once and then and then move it over and move this part over.
• 37:17
  And I don't have to sing everything all the way through.
• 37:21
  I can, you know, I can grab parts.
• 37:22
  So and and plus just learning how to play the click just makes
• 37:26
  you a better player. It's harder for it's hard at
• 37:29
  first. It's really sad hard.
• 37:30
  It's exactly what every. Musician fears when they hear
• 37:33
  the word click. We're going to end up sounding
• 37:36
  like a typewriter. It's going to be just, there's
• 37:39
  going to be no feeling. You got to be able.
• 37:42
  You have to learn how to play around.
• 37:44
  That's why you know, Scott wasn't a drum teacher.
• 37:47
  He musicians have their own language.
• 37:50
  So what he meant when he said I don't give a shit what you do in
• 37:53
  between is just what Joe said. You can speed up and slow down
• 37:58
  in between the measure, but everybody.
• 38:01
  Has to come. Back on the one or the train
• 38:03
  falls off the rails. Imagine you can't imagine
• 38:06
  anybody in the world other than Led Zeppelin riding Cashmere
• 38:10
  because it's in two different time signatures at the same
• 38:12
  time. Yeah, but they're.
• 38:15
  Playing 4/4 and they're playing 9. 12 over the top of him, Yeah,
• 38:18
  I can't remember. What YouTube I watched and he
• 38:22
  does that and I don't I don't know if it's if it's he might be
• 38:26
  like doctor rock. He literally dresses up in a
• 38:29
  doctor's outfit and he the best. It's really nerdy for the people
• 38:33
  that are in the recording and knowing much a lot things about
• 38:37
  recording. But what he'll do every once in
• 38:39
  a while, he's like, all right, let's go back and take these
• 38:42
  songs that were never put to a click.
• 38:44
  A lot of times it's Zeppelin or Bad Company or stuff like that.
• 38:47
  Beatles songs that weren't recorded to a click.
• 38:50
  Let's quantize them. Let's put them to a click.
• 38:52
  And then you hear them, you're like, Oh my God, it's, it's, it
• 38:55
  sounds horrible. It sounds horrible, you know,
• 38:57
  because there is something to be said about those older records.
• 39:01
  And there's a there another project that I did with one of
• 39:04
  the guitar players from from brand new Santa was called
• 39:08
  Elephant Mountain and was more of a rock project.
• 39:11
  It was more like Deep Purple meets Government Mule and, and,
• 39:18
  and in that project we absolutely were like, there's no
• 39:22
  clicks in this band and our drummer came from the jazz
• 39:26
  world, is a jazz drummer. So what he did was very cool,
• 39:32
  but like, man, there you can hear the things pushing and
• 39:35
  pulling all the time. But then there's other projects
• 39:38
  like man, I'm like, we have to do this to a click.
• 39:40
  It's I guess it just depends on what you're going for.
• 39:44
  You know the style dictates what you're going to do.
• 39:47
  Yeah, you know the. Old time rock, that old
• 39:49
  rock'n'roll, that old classic rock.
• 39:51
  Like man, that was all about pushing and pulling.
• 39:54
  Especially Zeppelin. Especially Zeppelin, you know,
• 39:57
  ACDC, a lot of people don't realize how much.
• 39:59
  Swing there is in an ACDC beat, but without Phil Rudd.
• 40:04
  You know those Simon Wright years?
• 40:05
  They're good songs, but it's a different feel for ACDC.
• 40:09
  It's not the same when Phil. Rudd's not behind the kit.
• 40:11
  Couldn't agree with you more, Joe.
• 40:13
  You know that dude, it's like. You just think he's like, then
• 40:16
  he's at then he's just doing that.
• 40:19
  You're like, why is that? It's so easy, but it's like, no,
• 40:22
  it's not. I was talking to sit down and.
• 40:24
  Try and play that shit and then talk to me after you're done.
• 40:27
  Right? I just saw I just saw a video.
• 40:29
  Of him playing with, I think it was the Australian Symphony
• 40:32
  Orchestra and it was a big like rock show and they did Highway
• 40:36
  to Hell and he was playing the drums, man.
• 40:38
  And I mean that dude, what's that dude in his 70s?
• 40:41
  Was he smoking? I.
• 40:43
  Don't think so. I think he'd probably usually
• 40:46
  have that cigarette in his mouth.
• 40:47
  But no, he sat up there and he fucking laid that beat down.
• 40:51
  And it was like, man, there's something to be said like about
• 40:55
  the space. And that was another thing I
• 40:57
  learned from our very first producer, Brand New Sand.
• 41:00
  Well, he's like, I don't give a shit about this stuff, man.
• 41:02
  He goes where's the space where there's nothing happening, No
• 41:05
  guitar notes, no singing, no drum beat.
• 41:08
  There's just, you know, and it's minuscule.
• 41:10
  And once like, well meaning space.
• 41:12
  I'm not talking right. We're we're not, I'm talking
• 41:15
  animation. No.
• 41:17
  Just like. That, that, that little, that
• 41:22
  little breath in between, that that's the thing that keeps you
• 41:24
  wanting. To listen without you knowing
• 41:27
  it, when you're the listener, right?
• 41:28
  You're not a musician. You don't understand that.
• 41:31
  I don't know why, but I got to keep listening to the song.
• 41:33
  It's because they keep baiting you into it, right?
• 41:35
  Right. There's space slight.
• 41:37
  Hesitation. There's space in there.
• 41:39
  Man, and that I've, I learned a lot from that producer and I
• 41:43
  carry over now, you know, I tell people that I'm working with,
• 41:45
  I'm like, man, just go, just breathe right there or just no,
• 41:49
  nothing there. And I'm like, well, it's a split
• 41:51
  second. I go, trust me.
• 41:52
  Listen to what happens when that you start creating that little
• 41:54
  space. That was my favorite thing, Joe.
• 41:56
  About the way that Chris wrote his lyrics, because a lot of
• 41:59
  times he would have these long drawn out endings to whatever
• 42:04
  point he was trying to make, right?
• 42:06
  And it would leave like sometimes a measure and 1/2.
• 42:09
  And people don't realize that half a measure is the perfect
• 42:12
  ending to, you know, you don't need a full measure, but he
• 42:15
  would leave you just the 2 beats right within a 4 to 8 measure.
• 42:19
  And it's like you could do something cool and we would all
• 42:22
  meet on that ending and there would be that split second
• 42:24
  before we came back in again. And you could just see the look
• 42:27
  on people's faces when the volume came back out.
• 42:30
  It's like, oh, you just hit him over the head.
• 42:32
  You know, I want to. I want.
• 42:34
  To I want to go down Joe's life resume for a second here.
• 42:38
  Well, no, because there's one thing I noticed on on on your
• 42:41
  YouTube channel and I don't know how much you know about Mike and
• 42:44
  I, but he and I are both in recovery.
• 42:45
  I've been I've been sober for over 20 years.
• 42:47
  That's my 20 year chip. That's awesome man.
• 42:49
  And. You just got your.
• 42:51
  One year, Chip, one year I'll be months.
• 42:53
  Ago in in December. It'll be two.
• 42:56
  It'll be two years. Congratulations.
• 42:58
  I'm almost two. I'm almost two years, man, Right
• 43:01
  on. I'm really psyched about that,
• 43:04
  man. It was something I didn't think
• 43:05
  I'd ever do. And, and honestly, when I, when
• 43:09
  I decided to finally get sober, it wasn't like I was in, you
• 43:13
  know, everyone just like, Oh my God, I didn't realize you had a
• 43:15
  problem. Like, well, I, there was times
• 43:19
  in my life I was definitely way down, man.
• 43:21
  And I was using not just alcohol, but the drugs and, and
• 43:25
  everything else, man. But it was a slow roll, two
• 43:31
  years to get me to sobriety and it wasn't like, man, I'm, you
• 43:36
  know, my life is fucking up. My life was going very well.
• 43:39
  It just finally all of a sudden I just lost the I'm like, why am
• 43:45
  I even doing this? Why am I drinking?
• 43:49
  Can't recover. You know, I'm not even enjoying
• 43:52
  being buzzed, but it was just second nature.
• 43:55
  Even if I wasn't drinking every day, there was times I'll get to
• 43:58
  a gig and I have anxiety. I have anxiety and panic
• 44:02
  disorder. So there's a lot of times I
• 44:03
  would, I was just using that to like, give me a beer and a shot
• 44:06
  and that's all I'm going to drink tonight.
• 44:08
  But just enough to like take the edge off, get me behind the
• 44:11
  piano and kind of just get me going for the rest of the night.
• 44:14
  But it was always such a social thing.
• 44:15
  And the last time that I drank, I had stopped drinking for three
• 44:19
  months up to that time. And I was like, I'm just going
• 44:22
  to take a break. I don't at the end of the summer
• 44:25
  of 2/20/23, yeah, 2023. I was just saying I don't want
• 44:30
  to drink anymore. It's like it's not serving me
• 44:32
  anymore. I I'm not enjoying it.
• 44:35
  I don't like the way I feel the next day.
• 44:37
  It's just when you drink, you're robbing from tomorrow, You're
• 44:41
  like, you're taking the more and the more the more you drink.
• 44:43
  I love that. I love that me too.
• 44:46
  You want, you want, you want all the you want all that.
• 44:48
  You want all the happiness today.
• 44:50
  Well, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to start
• 44:52
  robbing. You're going to write that down.
• 44:53
  You're going to start taking out of.
• 44:55
  Tomorrow's. Happiness and maybe day 2 after,
• 44:58
  that's happiness. So you do you want all to this
• 45:00
  happiness and in the next two days be filled with just feeling
• 45:04
  like shit. Like, yeah, you can have this
• 45:06
  out, but you're robbing from your future.
• 45:08
  So I just stopped and I said I'm not going to drink until Brandon
• 45:13
  was doing another reunion show in December of that year.
• 45:17
  And I was like, I'll wait till that night and then I'll drink
• 45:19
  that night with the boys and you know, we'll have a great show.
• 45:21
  We had a sold out show at the theater here, like 809 hundred
• 45:24
  people. And and that night I great
• 45:28
  before I went on stage, I cracked a beer.
• 45:31
  I drank a couple shots and I went on stage.
• 45:35
  And then after the show I had some beers with the fans and
• 45:37
  some people. I didn't drink excessively and
• 45:40
  not, you know, I maybe had over the course of the night, maybe
• 45:45
  3-4 beers, 3-4 shots, which I mean, it's not a lot for someone
• 45:49
  who used to be able to drink 20, you know, And I remember getting
• 45:53
  home that night and I remember laying down and I'm just, I was
• 45:56
  already just like, I'm like, why?
• 45:59
  I'm like, I had the most perfect show.
• 46:03
  And honestly, I could have had the same feeling without getting
• 46:09
  drunk. And, and I'm like, I just, I
• 46:13
  don't like this. And I fell asleep and the next
• 46:15
  day I woke up and I was just so hungover.
• 46:19
  It literally the, my whole day was shot.
• 46:21
  I I couldn't do anything. I had all these other plans to
• 46:24
  go and hang out with people that have come into town and I
• 46:26
  canceled them all. And I just said, yeah, I'm done.
• 46:29
  And I did it quietly. I only told a few people.
• 46:32
  I didn't make like, hey, you know, there's so many people go
• 46:34
  out there and be like today's day one and all that.
• 46:37
  I didn't tell people until I was like 8 or 9 months into it.
• 46:41
  That's why I didn't know. That's why I don't know my.
• 46:43
  Date Joe, because you and I have that in common.
• 46:45
  And I think it has a lot to do with us and you.
• 46:49
  I think we probably have a lot of the same disorders, right?
• 46:52
  We're an extrovert and an introvert in the same body.
• 46:55
  Yeah, an ambivert. And it's called an MDV or
• 46:58
  ultravert. There's a couple of different
• 47:00
  words for that. Yeah, we are the same, I hear.
• 47:02
  You talk, and we have a lot of those same similarities.
• 47:05
  So I did the same thing, man. I woke up one day and I knew I
• 47:08
  was going to die. So I I we got to quit now,
• 47:11
  Right? And I said the same thing.
• 47:13
  Why are you doing this? You used to enjoy living.
• 47:16
  You used to enjoy playing music. You used to enjoy hanging out
• 47:18
  with your friends. It's like, what are you doing?
• 47:21
  Yeah. And there was so many.
• 47:22
  Times and then after that, like I everyone's like, well, you
• 47:25
  know, the people that were close to me like, well, what are you
• 47:26
  going to do when people buy you drinks?
• 47:28
  I'm like, I'm just, I'm not drinking tonight or, you know, I
• 47:31
  just said no thank you and I didn't explain it.
• 47:33
  And I just let it go for a while.
• 47:35
  And so I felt like I had a little control on it because
• 47:38
  after that show I, I went through like I was mentally
• 47:41
  having a lot, I was struggling a lot mentally and like my
• 47:44
  depression was coming in. I cancelled the UK tour that
• 47:47
  I've been planning for a year and I just kind of had to get my
• 47:50
  shit straight. And I'm like, alcohol is not
• 47:52
  helping this. And I'm also looking at all my
• 47:55
  friends that are around me that are struggling and people are
• 47:58
  drinking and they're like, they're on this medication, that
• 48:00
  medication, they're having this or people are having heart
• 48:03
  attacks. And, and all my idols around me
• 48:05
  like are all my their livers are failing.
• 48:07
  Their kidneys are failing at everything.
• 48:09
  It's like you can't keep that up.
• 48:10
  And, and, and there's such a, there's such a decline in
• 48:15
  alcohol in general. I mean, since I got in sober,
• 48:18
  I've realized there's a ton of other people around me that have
• 48:21
  gotten sober as well, right? And it's, that's a whole of
• 48:25
  conversation for another day. But like I, and, and then I
• 48:28
  stopped and then I thought maybe for a little bit, like I used to
• 48:31
  smoke a lot of weed back in the day and then I didn't smoke and
• 48:33
  I would dabble once in a while. And now it's completely legal
• 48:36
  in, in New York State. It's been legal.
• 48:38
  I mean, that's why And that's why I.
• 48:40
  Think the alcohol abuse is dropping so dramatically because
• 48:44
  people come back to something else that doesn't have the same
• 48:48
  like like. And yes and no.
• 48:52
  But but you're not you're. Not insanely violent when you,
• 48:55
  when you're stoned out of your mind, you're not going to get
• 48:57
  behind a car and kill an entire family because you, you, you're
• 49:00
  so out of whack with with the booze, right?
• 49:03
  I mean, I don't, I would never drive stoned or drunk at all.
• 49:06
  When I was drinking rhinotically enough, I only drove drunk three
• 49:09
  times and the one was the last time I ever drove drunk.
• 49:11
  And then the next day, I didn't know how I didn't get caught,
• 49:14
  which is when I woke up, like something's got to change
• 49:16
  because my wife and I, we never fought.
• 49:19
  I was functional. So I hit it.
• 49:21
  Nobody knew. Kind of like you, the people
• 49:23
  that I did tell, they kind of mocked at it and laughed at me.
• 49:26
  Oh, you'll be drinking in a month and like, you're never
• 49:28
  going to be successful with that.
• 49:29
  So the thing that was for me, it was, I mean, for you, I can't
• 49:33
  imagine because I wasn't in the music lifestyle then.
• 49:35
  But so I lost a lot of friends because I, I'm like, I'm not
• 49:38
  drinking. But if if you lost people.
• 49:41
  You didn't lose friends. Well, true, they weren't your
• 49:43
  friends. Yeah, good.
• 49:44
  Good way to spend. That for sure, but for you doing
• 49:47
  it in the height of your career, right.
• 49:50
  I mean, it may not be bad of you, but in the midst of that,
• 49:52
  like you said, how do you say no to drink?
• 49:54
  And you know, it's it's, yeah, I mean.
• 49:58
  When you play four or five, sometimes six nights a week.
• 50:01
  And that's, I mean, I would love to say I'm in the music industry
• 50:04
  and I am in some ways, but for the most part when I'm playing
• 50:07
  gigs, I'm in the food and beverage industry.
• 50:09
  And the more food and beverage I can help sell, Oh yeah, yeah.
• 50:13
  So the more gigs I'm going to get.
• 50:14
  So, you know, I'm, I'm an accessory to help sell booze and
• 50:18
  and food and beverages, you know, in general when you're.
• 50:22
  Yeah. So when you're doing.
• 50:22
  Your shows, you're doing the stuff that you kind of drop on
• 50:25
  Instagram, the different versions of songs and whatnot,
• 50:27
  because I don't like the column covers because you kind of make
• 50:28
  them your own. Yeah.
• 50:29
  What was that list? No.
• 50:31
  Well, here's the thing. Because some people are like,
• 50:33
  man, what you do? Like we came out and when say
• 50:36
  when we come out to see her, you're going to hear, hey, I'm
• 50:38
  going to change this song. I'm like, I'll throw those in,
• 50:40
  but honestly, I I am just like what you would typically see in
• 50:45
  a bar. You know, I'm playing you're
• 50:47
  upbeat, singing Salong songs because if I was doing a lot
• 50:50
  what I was doing, I found AI think this is what it is.
• 50:53
  I'm going to jump back a little bit.
• 50:54
  I found my lane on social media. I was like, where where is my
• 50:59
  lane going to be? Where I'm going to get the
• 51:00
  engagement, get people to come and discover me and then go down
• 51:03
  the rabbit hole and find that I've done all these other things
• 51:05
  in my career. How do I do that?
• 51:07
  And once I landed on a kind of like a lane and something I
• 51:11
  could do, I just run with that. But if someone comes and see me
• 51:14
  to play live, I do. I play over 5000 different
• 51:18
  covers and I'm talking everything from from Frank
• 51:22
  Sinatra to Metallica. So like some days I'm playing,
• 51:26
  you know, a nursing home in the afternoon at 1:00 in the
• 51:29
  afternoon. I'm playing nothing but 60s and
• 51:31
  70s and oldies and classic songs.
• 51:33
  And then and then I'll go play a kids birthday party and I'm
• 51:37
  playing, you know, like One Direction and Britney Spears in,
• 51:41
  you know, things like that. And and then I'll go to another.
• 51:44
  Read music, ladies and gentlemen.
• 51:46
  And that and then I'll. Go to a bar and now you'll be
• 51:47
  hearing me playing the bar. And then some nights I'll be,
• 51:50
  it's more country, so I'll play more country.
• 51:52
  Some nights it's more classic rock, some more grunge.
• 51:55
  You know, while we're on this subject.
• 51:58
  Since we. Stumbled onto social.
• 52:00
  Media, yeah. How do you avoid getting flagged
• 52:04
  for playing other people's music?
• 52:05
  Because Chris and I have been getting YouTube especially hates
• 52:10
  us right when we play other people's music.
• 52:13
  Are you using their? Actual tracks.
• 52:16
  Well, like like we did this morning.
• 52:17
  When we were waiting for you to come on, we, we played, I went,
• 52:20
  I'm on the, I'm on the Instagram page right now.
• 52:21
  So the, the viewers can see this because we're live going through
• 52:24
  countries right now, right? So, so we, we played last in
• 52:28
  line, a bit of last in line. We played a bit of limelight.
• 52:32
  I know where he's going though. Yeah, yeah.
• 52:35
  Here's what I want. So here's what I.
• 52:37
  Want to ask you, Joe, So like, do you follow the charismatic
• 52:40
  voice on YouTube? No.
• 52:43
  I don't believe something. Maybe I do.
• 52:46
  She used to be an opera singer. And she kind of does what you
• 52:49
  do, only she goes one step further and she breaks down.
• 52:52
  She's actually, I know who you're talking about.
• 52:54
  It what's her name? Alyssa or something?
• 52:56
  I can't think of her name, but she's.
• 52:59
  Listening to the track. In the background as she's
• 53:02
  explaining what they're doing. That's all we're trying to do,
• 53:05
  right? We're trying to play the song
• 53:07
  and then say here's why we like it or don't like it or yeah,
• 53:10
  well, there's, there's. There's a lot, there's a lot to
• 53:12
  that. Like, OK, And it all comes down
• 53:15
  to D EMCA Digital Music Copyright Act.
• 53:21
  And that was enforced many years ago.
• 53:23
  And that was, you remember, there was a number of years ago
• 53:25
  where YouTube thought they were going to go away because YouTube
• 53:29
  was like, oh, we don't have the rights, all that stuff.
• 53:31
  And that's really where it all came about.
• 53:33
  As long as I'm interpreting, I'm creating.
• 53:37
  The. Music myself, I'm not using any
• 53:40
  recorded tracks that were already recorded and released
• 53:44
  and I do my interpretation. I'm in the clear.
• 53:47
  Absolutely OK, once you start now.
• 53:51
  But if here's the caveat. So if you take something that I
• 53:57
  did and start playing it, then you're in violation because now
• 54:01
  you're using my cover that's already in the fucking system.
• 54:05
  So they're going to they're going to flag that or this times
• 54:08
  I used to do vocal covers and I would take the actual track and
• 54:11
  remove the vocal and undo the vocal cover.
• 54:14
  And that in that regard, TikTok and a bunch of these other, you
• 54:20
  know, YouTube and stuff like that.
• 54:21
  If you keep things under one minute, then you're under fair
• 54:25
  use. You won't get any of the
• 54:27
  revenue, but it's under fair use.
• 54:28
  Once you go over a minute, then it's copyright.
• 54:30
  They'll mute it got you. OK, So what I did for your stuff
• 54:33
  this. Morning should be able to pass
• 54:35
  through the show because we did. I, I, we played three of your
• 54:37
  songs on Instagram and then we pulled up one of your tracks on
• 54:41
  for for your band Brand new send because Mike and I were like,
• 54:46
  holy shit, just got originals like what is this?
• 54:49
  Yeah. But that's good to know it's.
• 54:52
  It's there's a lot. To it and each platform is a
• 54:54
  little different and I upload covers all the time to YouTube
• 54:59
  and a lot of times they will detect detect well, they'll look
• 55:02
  at the title and they'll be like oh, he's covering the cars.
• 55:05
  So next thing you know, they're like, hey, you're going to be
• 55:09
  sharing your revenue with these people, you know, and then
• 55:12
  you're splitting the revenue with the people.
• 55:15
  I'm just saying there has to be a way.
• 55:17
  To make him happy because she's literally listening to their
• 55:20
  tracks for 1/2 an hour and she has a million subscribers and
• 55:23
  they're not she's she's probably not she's.
• 55:25
  Sharing the revenue. She's not getting monetized.
• 55:28
  Yeah, we're not. We're not monetized either.
• 55:31
  That's what makes it weird, man. It doesn't matter.
• 55:34
  OK it. Doesn't matter if you're
• 55:35
  monetized or not you're monetized regardless if you're
• 55:38
  monetized or not you're being monetized like somebody's making
• 55:41
  money because they're selling ad revenue on your shit and
• 55:43
  everything else. I got you So yeah it's it's a
• 55:46
  very intense and probably 2 hour conversation early do that.
• 55:50
  And each platform, each platform is, is, is vastly different
• 55:54
  because if I, if I post a full cover, what if I release a cover
• 56:00
  and I put it up on my own page, OK, I get, I don't get any
• 56:04
  revenue from it 'cause like Facebook or Instagram be like,
• 56:08
  oh, you're using just Joe here I go again, even though it's, but
• 56:14
  I did that. And but they don't know that
• 56:16
  like let's, it's all pieces and parts, it's algorithm.
• 56:19
  And if anything, you should be happy that it's doing that
• 56:21
  because you may not be, you may not, you may not be getting the
• 56:25
  revenue off the video that you're posting to Facebook, but
• 56:28
  any revenue that's generated from that is going to the.
• 56:33
  On the other. Side, that's Chris's.
• 56:36
  Argument. Yeah, all we're doing.
• 56:39
  All we're doing is helping get that artist more so in the
• 56:43
  forefront of other people that may not have like there's people
• 56:46
  that that may not know who you are.
• 56:48
  So the whole purpose of what we do when we have musicians like
• 56:51
  yourself, we want to promote the hell out of you and get you in
• 56:53
  front of other people. And I have your, your, your
• 56:56
  Instagram page up because I don't want to forget about this.
• 56:59
  You're, you're breaking news, the grind lifestyle about that.
• 57:03
  Yeah. So I did a podcast with these
• 57:07
  guys at the grand lifestyle, Nick and a couple of the other
• 57:11
  guys and about a year ago and and they're managers as well on
• 57:17
  a lower level there. You know, they're not like you
• 57:19
  know, they're not like Irving Azoff shovel.
• 57:21
  You're not up there. And I've always self managed
• 57:24
  myself as solo artists, but it, there's times like I'm literally
• 57:28
  doing everything, man. I'm doing everything.
• 57:33
  And it's, there's times in a day I'm like, I didn't even play
• 57:36
  music today. I'm a musician.
• 57:38
  I didn't even play music because I had to do all this other stuff
• 57:40
  like what's this I got to do when I get off the phone with
• 57:42
  you guys or when I get done with this, I do some business side of
• 57:45
  things. So we just struck up a
• 57:48
  conversation on that podcast and then all of a sudden and we just
• 57:52
  struck up a, a friendship. And then it was a few months
• 57:55
  later, I made a post about something about just being a
• 57:58
  little frustrated about, you know, just trying to find enough
• 58:01
  time in the day. And they reached out and they're
• 58:03
  like, hey, you know, are you interested in management?
• 58:07
  I'm like, well, I'm like, I was going to ask you guys after the
• 58:09
  podcast that we did, but I didn't want to feel like I was
• 58:11
  being an opportunist. And they're like, same, you
• 58:14
  know, we didn't want to do the same.
• 58:15
  And I'm like, I'm kind of glad we did this.
• 58:17
  So really what we're doing it and it's a really slow roll
• 58:21
  because everyone's like, well, what's happening?
• 58:22
  What's happening? I'm like, it's only been a
• 58:24
  couple months. I go, you don't understand.
• 58:26
  Like we're all trying to like kind of get used to like what
• 58:30
  we're going to be doing right. You know, how we're going to
• 58:33
  approach things. The business is rapidly changing
• 58:37
  in front of our eyes and our ears right now with we're not
• 58:40
  just with not with just AI. There's a lot of stuff with the
• 58:44
  AI side of things, which is again, a whole other podcast on
• 58:47
  itself, but also in the live music industry all the way from
• 58:51
  the top all the way down to the, the, you know, the blue collar
• 58:55
  guys like me. There's bands out there that are
• 58:58
  filming arenas that are losing their ass.
• 59:01
  They're selling out places. But the cost of touring is so
• 59:06
  fucking expensive because you know who gets paid last after
• 59:10
  that? The band.
• 59:11
  That that the band. The band.
• 59:14
  Everyone else gets paid. You know Lincoln.
• 59:18
  Park made a. Sold out Wembley Stadium, but
• 59:21
  everyone else got paid before the band did, right?
• 59:23
  Everybody. And we can make a laundry list
• 59:25
  of all the people that are involved.
• 59:27
  Then the cost of it. Yeah, there was a story.
• 59:29
  I heard, I, I forget who, I think Def Mckagan was talking,
• 59:31
  talking about the, the era when Axel wouldn't come on stage
• 59:34
  right for like an hour and shit. And and he made the comment,
• 59:37
  which was, it was probably in the documentary, which blew my
• 59:40
  mind. He's like, we were paying to
• 59:41
  play by the time that Axel came on stage because like you just
• 59:45
  said, everybody gets paid before the band.
• 59:47
  But because they went over everything time wise, then they
• 59:50
  were paying the union because all the roadies and the local
• 59:53
  unions and stuff had to get paid in their time.
• 59:55
  You're right, you're past. The hour when?
• 59:57
  You're supposed to go 11:00 man. Right, so that blew my.
• 1:00:00
  Mind, like, holy shit, you're paying to play.
• 1:00:03
  Even though you you filled Phoenix International Raceway.
• 1:00:06
  You took an hour to come on the stage.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah, everything's pushed back. And you just fucked.
• 1:00:10
  Your entire band on the paycheck, that's.
• 1:00:13
  Why? A lot.
• 1:00:13
  A lot of it. That's why.
• 1:00:15
  I love that. Quote and that scene and a year
• 1:00:17
  and a half in the life of Metallica and Chris quotes it
• 1:00:19
  all the time. Where Jason Newstead was like,
• 1:00:22
  we learned so much about what not to do when we toured with
• 1:00:26
  Guns and Roses. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:28
  And and. Jason, Jason actually lives up
• 1:00:30
  here now. He lives in my area.
• 1:00:32
  He, he lives in A and we, we, I run into him from time to time,
• 1:00:36
  but Jason's great too. But, but yeah, getting back to
• 1:00:40
  my, my thing is like, and now you're getting right down.
• 1:00:43
  And I've had some conversations with some musicians as of late
• 1:00:47
  and they're like, man, I used to be able to play four, 5-6 nights
• 1:00:50
  a week, well year round. And now I, I, I got holes in my
• 1:00:54
  calendar. I'm like, so do I, they're like,
• 1:00:55
  you do too. I'm like, well, let me tell you
• 1:00:57
  something. I go, I saw this a couple years
• 1:00:59
  ago and it was once COVID rolled back, everyone's like, let's go
• 1:01:03
  do stuff and do stuff and do stuff and do stuff.
• 1:01:06
  We just want to be out of our house.
• 1:01:07
  But I go, that is going to be a honeymoon phase.
• 1:01:09
  And then we're going to go back to the actual problems that we
• 1:01:11
  have with our economy and the cost of everything.
• 1:01:14
  And the cost of everything is so fucking expensive now, right?
• 1:01:18
  And I told everybody I go listen, I go as a musician.
• 1:01:21
  I'm re. I've been spending a year
• 1:01:25
  revamping my business and getting ready for this new
• 1:01:27
  phase. But all these new things that I
• 1:01:30
  got going on because all my best friends all owned restaurants
• 1:01:35
  and bars, and all of them are like alcohol sales in New York
• 1:01:39
  State when we became legal, dropped 25 to 33%.
• 1:01:44
  That's 1/4 to 1/3 and sales that are out, but you know, cost of
• 1:01:49
  going out to dinner even like if you're going to Applebee's for
• 1:01:52
  two people, it's going to be well, well over 100 bucks.
• 1:01:56
  I go, I told all my musician friends, I go don't watch the
• 1:02:00
  music industry, watch the food and beverage industry.
• 1:02:02
  And if the food and beverage industry starts struggling,
• 1:02:05
  we're going to start losing our gigs or we're going to start
• 1:02:07
  have to play for less. Or they're going to go from
• 1:02:10
  having music at a venue 2 to three nights a week down to one
• 1:02:13
  a week. Instead of 12 artists a month,
• 1:02:15
  they're going to have four artists a month.
• 1:02:17
  So and the rotation, you're going to go from getting 1 gig a
• 1:02:20
  month there to 1 gig every three months there.
• 1:02:22
  And you start adding that up across all the board.
• 1:02:25
  And I just had this conversation with a musician yesterday and
• 1:02:27
  he's really thinking like, all these venues are screwing me
• 1:02:29
  over or we're just getting screwed.
• 1:02:31
  I'm like, no, they're not. I go, do you have friends?
• 1:02:34
  I go, your girlfriend works in the industry, right?
• 1:02:36
  Yeah. I go ask her how business is.
• 1:02:39
  Ask her how shit is. They're trying to survive, and
• 1:02:41
  most places can't get enough work.
• 1:02:43
  Here's the thing. Some places don't want to have
• 1:02:45
  music because they can't be any busier than they are because
• 1:02:48
  they don't have the staff to help.
• 1:02:50
  If you bring in a band that's going to draw people, they're
• 1:02:52
  screwed because then everyone's going to be like, man, I wait is
• 1:02:55
  the bar for 45 minutes? I couldn't even get a drink.
• 1:02:59
  That happened at a venue here last week.
• 1:03:01
  They had 700 people there and everyone's like, I went there, I
• 1:03:05
  got one drink and I couldn't get a drink for the rest of the
• 1:03:07
  night. And then they're bitching.
• 1:03:08
  And then it's like, oh, we're never going to go back there.
• 1:03:11
  And now, you know, so you can't be any busier than you are.
• 1:03:15
  So that's why I was just like, well, here, here's the next
• 1:03:18
  phase of my career. In order to make it this long as
• 1:03:22
  a full time musician at 25, almost 30 years into this now,
• 1:03:25
  you have to keep evolving. You have to keep changing and
• 1:03:29
  you can't be pining for the old days.
• 1:03:31
  I wish people would buy C DS. I wish people would do this.
• 1:03:34
  I would. I'm sorry you have to can't.
• 1:03:37
  You have to you. You're not going to stop AI.
• 1:03:39
  You're not going to stop What are you going to do about the
• 1:03:42
  economy? What are you going to do?
• 1:03:44
  You, you personally, there's a lot of things maybe you could
• 1:03:47
  do, but at, at the the macro level of what you're dealing
• 1:03:50
  with on a daily basis, you're not going to be able to change
• 1:03:52
  it. So you do adapt or you die and
• 1:03:55
  somebody's flipped the music business on a 10.
• 1:03:58
  Right. And it still is.
• 1:03:59
  I know. You joined that band Everything.
• 1:04:01
  Was changing, Yeah. I mean, we signed a record deal.
• 1:04:03
  At the worst possible time, you know, or at the best possible
• 1:04:06
  time. It depends on how you want to
• 1:04:07
  frame it. But you know, I learned a lot,
• 1:04:09
  man. I jumped into the music
• 1:04:11
  business. You got to be on forefront.
• 1:04:13
  Forefront of what we're experiencing now, yeah, and all
• 1:04:17
  the way. Through right?
• 1:04:18
  And now AI. Is coming.
• 1:04:20
  And you know, like I said, that's a whole.
• 1:04:22
  I don't even want to get into that.
• 1:04:23
  I mean, I I embrace it. I mean, there's parts of it I
• 1:04:26
  don't like because now the entry level to anybody making a song
• 1:04:29
  is like, yeah, all it's got to do is do that and put in a
• 1:04:32
  couple words and it spits out songs.
• 1:04:35
  But that's like any technology that comes along.
• 1:04:37
  That was the same when everyone got a phone with a camera on it.
• 1:04:41
  Now you're a professional photographer.
• 1:04:43
  Oh, you can make a video or you can, oh, you're a video creator.
• 1:04:47
  You're all this stuff. I'm a I'm a cinematographer,
• 1:04:49
  Joe. Let's come on, be real.
• 1:04:50
  Yeah, exactly. So I.
• 1:04:52
  Mean there's a whole lot of bunch of stuff, but I use AI,
• 1:04:54
  I'll use Suno and stuff like that for demo ideas and
• 1:04:57
  everything that I'm using it to my advantage.
• 1:04:59
  But like everything's changing and during COVID I had to
• 1:05:03
  stream, that's all I was doing. I lost all my gigs.
• 1:05:06
  I don't know. Where are you guys located?
• 1:05:08
  I'm in Arizona, Mikes IN. Illinois, OK, well, New York
• 1:05:12
  State. Man, it was like the Gestapo
• 1:05:13
  here when COVID happened. Like it was like everything shut
• 1:05:16
  down. There was.
• 1:05:18
  Oh. God it was.
• 1:05:19
  It was a nightmare. So I lost all my gigs and I'm
• 1:05:22
  like, what I'm going to do and rape it.
• 1:05:24
  When I saw before the shutdown was coming, I went and bought a
• 1:05:28
  bunch of gear. I'm a God.
• 1:05:29
  I'm going to start streaming. Everyone's like, no man, it's
• 1:05:31
  not going to be as bad as you think.
• 1:05:32
  I go, no, it's going to be bad and it's going to be probably
• 1:05:34
  worse than you freaking can imagine.
• 1:05:36
  I go I'm experiment, Joe, not the show, right?
• 1:05:39
  I I go. Yeah, I was, I was a history
• 1:05:43
  major. I know how this shit rolls out,
• 1:05:45
  man. I've watched our government very
• 1:05:48
  deeply and and I'm not a conspiracy nut, but there is
• 1:05:52
  conspiracies and all this other shit.
• 1:05:54
  But I go, I'm going to get ready for this.
• 1:05:56
  And I started streaming online and those two years that were at
• 1:06:00
  the height of COVID, I made more money streaming online that I've
• 1:06:04
  ever made. And one year and, and I was
• 1:06:08
  making, I was killing it online. But then I knew it was going to
• 1:06:12
  come back. And now I'm back into the world
• 1:06:13
  of playing the games. But now the gigs, you're going
• 1:06:15
  to start pulling back. People can't afford.
• 1:06:18
  How the fuck do people afford to do go to a concert?
• 1:06:21
  You see the price of rush tickets.
• 1:06:25
  Fuck is paying 5000? Dollars a ticket?
• 1:06:28
  Where are these people? I don't, I don't understand it.
• 1:06:31
  And that trickles all the way down.
• 1:06:33
  It's like, man, now all of a sudden, with all this other
• 1:06:37
  stuff you got, like, now I'm going to go back.
• 1:06:39
  I'm going to be streaming again. Yeah.
• 1:06:44
  You know, I I just reset up my entire studio to get ready to
• 1:06:49
  start streaming again. Did you guys freeze, man?
• 1:06:52
  Oh, OK. I thought you froze for a month,
• 1:06:54
  Chris has. Been driving him, he has
• 1:06:58
  Starlink and he has a cable modem so he can choose one or
• 1:07:02
  the other and both of them have been driving him crazy like for
• 1:07:06
  about the past two weeks. But but yeah.
• 1:07:09
  As I was saying, I'm getting back into streaming again.
• 1:07:11
  That's one of the thing my management company, this is
• 1:07:14
  where we all started going is that, let me ask you going back
• 1:07:16
  to. That not to interrupt you, but
• 1:07:19
  did you start on Instagram, YouTube or Facebook first?
• 1:07:22
  Like when you were streaming during the COVID?
• 1:07:24
  Yeah, Twitch. Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Oh. You did twitch?
• 1:07:28
  Right out of the gate. And I only did, I only did that
• 1:07:31
  because I was doing morning show here twice a week.
• 1:07:36
  I was on radio with the the big, the number one morning show in
• 1:07:38
  Syracuse and we have been using Twitch for a year up to that
• 1:07:42
  point. And the guy that runs the
• 1:07:44
  morning show, he's like, dude, you should really should be
• 1:07:46
  streaming on there. I'm like, when do I have time?
• 1:07:48
  I got to play at that time. I'm playing 300 plus gigs a
• 1:07:50
  year. So we never gained any traction.
• 1:07:52
  On Twitch and about six months, three months into it, it was
• 1:07:57
  quite a while. Chris had set up the YouTube
• 1:08:00
  channel and I'm like, why don't we just start streaming live to
• 1:08:02
  YouTube as well? We had way more success on
• 1:08:05
  YouTube than we did. It just depends.
• 1:08:07
  Man, Twitch is its own monster in itself.
• 1:08:10
  It's about building a community, it's about finding your lane.
• 1:08:14
  You can't just go on there and just stream and get it's Oh my
• 1:08:17
  God again, another whole conversation for another day.
• 1:08:19
  But you know, these are the things that my managers that
• 1:08:22
  I've been talking about and it's like, what what are we doing?
• 1:08:25
  Because he has some of their artists were out on the road
• 1:08:27
  just Rd. donging it. And I have a booking agent.
• 1:08:30
  Hey, do you want to go out for two or three weeks?
• 1:08:31
  Yeah, they're going out and they're just they're they're
• 1:08:34
  pounding the pavement and it's like nothing's happening because
• 1:08:37
  these bars are like not filling up.
• 1:08:40
  They're a lot of these artists are lesser known that they're
• 1:08:44
  competing with all so and so is down the street tonight or this
• 1:08:47
  was going out or there was a fight.
• 1:08:48
  The football game is on. So now it's really going back to
• 1:08:53
  streaming again because people have harder bitch televisions
• 1:08:58
  that look amazing, sound systems in your house that look amazing.
• 1:09:02
  You can go buy 30 rack and natty ice and make a steak on the
• 1:09:05
  grill and sit back and enjoy that and interact with that.
• 1:09:09
  So like I'm coming back to the streaming game big time.
• 1:09:14
  And because the last time I got in the streaming, like ever
• 1:09:17
  since I left streaming, I pretty I haven't really streamed since
• 1:09:20
  the end of 2022. I stopped and I went back pretty
• 1:09:25
  much full time gigging. And now I'm going back and but
• 1:09:30
  my social media has crippled since that time.
• 1:09:34
  So like now it's time to go back and you know, wrangle and all
• 1:09:38
  those, all these people, man, it's like it's it's a lot, man.
• 1:09:42
  There's there's so many, there's so many things changing on that
• 1:09:46
  was the other thing about like becoming an artist mentor, like
• 1:09:50
  how do I give back to these other musicians?
• 1:09:53
  And part of it is like, man, I've survived every wave that's
• 1:09:56
  been brought my way. So let's just start helping
• 1:10:02
  people navigate it. Do I have the answers?
• 1:10:04
  No, but I'm going to tell you I'm going to give you a survival
• 1:10:07
  tactics. It's like going in the army,
• 1:10:09
  like, hey, I'm going to teach you how to survive in the
• 1:10:11
  wilderness. I'm going to teach you how to
• 1:10:13
  shoot this gun. I'm going to teach you how to do
• 1:10:15
  this and that. I'm not, I'm not, I'm, I'm not
• 1:10:17
  going to be exactly sure how it's going to roll out, but
• 1:10:20
  you're going to have the, the ability to face any situation
• 1:10:24
  and thrive in it. Yep.
• 1:10:26
  Let's talk, you know. Let's talk about how people can
• 1:10:28
  find you, Joe. So this is your this is your
• 1:10:30
  Instagram page. Joe.
• 1:10:32
  Just Joe Syracuse. So he's dropping stuff every
• 1:10:36
  day. Mike and I both follow him.
• 1:10:37
  Mike was actually following you long before I was following him,
• 1:10:40
  and I've been following you for a long time.
• 1:10:41
  I love your Yeah, Joe. I got actually.
• 1:10:43
  That's the next thing I got to do.
• 1:10:44
  I got to I got to make today's video when I get off the phone.
• 1:10:47
  So here's what you need to do. I mean, you don't have to do it,
• 1:10:49
  but I had I had I had the thought because we lost Ace
• 1:10:51
  Fraley and Mike and I were talking about before show the
• 1:10:54
  song Rock Soldiers. That would be cool.
• 1:10:56
  Just saying. But you know, I got, I got
• 1:11:00
  another idea and I know if I'm going to.
• 1:11:01
  Rush it just because. Yeah, yeah, I want to make sure
• 1:11:04
  it sounds good, you know. So I think I'm going to, I'm
• 1:11:08
  going to wait a few days and I don't want, I want to sometimes
• 1:11:10
  I don't want to be that first one, like, Oh my God, I got to
• 1:11:12
  do a tribute. I got we can do a tribute at any
• 1:11:14
  time. So I'm going to work on it and
• 1:11:16
  probably have something out in the next few days.
• 1:11:18
  And I think it's going to be cool because.
• 1:11:20
  But the easiest way to find me because sometimes my social
• 1:11:23
  media, because just Joe wasn't available on every platform.
• 1:11:26
  So I had to become just Joe Syracuse.
• 1:11:28
  It's just go to justjoe.com. Yeah.
• 1:11:32
  That and and that is my. Whole you can find everything in
• 1:11:35
  in my world over there and find everything that I'm doing now
• 1:11:39
  between the artist, mentorship, custom songwriting, studio work,
• 1:11:43
  you know, that's all the stuff that I'm really starting to
• 1:11:45
  focus on now. Keeps me home right more often.
• 1:11:51
  There's my link tree, yeah. So but I did it on.
• 1:11:54
  Purpose because I want people to see that number one if you scan
• 1:11:58
  this code right here you're going to go all this stuff but
• 1:12:01
  there's your website just Joe we're going to go there I got to
• 1:12:04
  I got to switch to this dip there we go so you see on your
• 1:12:07
  screen now just had that just. Had that built spent two months
• 1:12:12
  when my when my web designer like redoing my website yeah so
• 1:12:16
  just Joe dot. Com is a is is takes you to his
• 1:12:20
  his website, which then will take you to everything, correct?
• 1:12:23
  Yeah, it'll take you to everything.
• 1:12:24
  And really showcase, like, what I'm doing now.
• 1:12:27
  And also you can find me live. You can find all my social media
• 1:12:31
  that way. Yeah.
• 1:12:33
  It's just there's a lot going on right now.
• 1:12:35
  Like, I spent my entire day in here yesterday.
• 1:12:38
  I had to do a track for a guy in Poland.
• 1:12:40
  I sang on his song. So I made my money for the day
• 1:12:43
  yesterday. And then I tore apart my whole
• 1:12:46
  studio and put it back together to get it ready for streaming
• 1:12:51
  again and more content creation and also meeting clients here
• 1:12:56
  for artist mentorship that are people in the area.
• 1:13:01
  Yeah, I just been. And I'm just, I want to be home
• 1:13:04
  a little bit more just because I can.
• 1:13:08
  I see where the business is going.
• 1:13:09
  And I'm only going to play the places that I truly enjoy.
• 1:13:12
  I don't want to be home a little bit more of my daughter's 12.
• 1:13:15
  And before I know it, she's going to be graduated and gone.
• 1:13:18
  And I don't want to miss. I don't want to miss these
• 1:13:19
  teenage years that are so freaking important.
• 1:13:22
  They're all important. But these years go by super fast
• 1:13:25
  and a lot more happens and I just want to be more present for
• 1:13:28
  her because I see too many of my musician friends get so wrapped
• 1:13:34
  up and playing shows and being gone all the time.
• 1:13:37
  They miss these connections with their their their kids and also
• 1:13:41
  the cultivate my relation, my relationship, my girlfriend to
• 1:13:44
  make sure that I I stay on top of that because I've been
• 1:13:46
  married and divorced twice and a lot of the factors in my there's
• 1:13:50
  a lot of factors in the divorces and I don't want to ever speak
• 1:13:53
  bad about them. I'm still close to both of my
• 1:13:55
  ex's. Is that a big downfall?
• 1:13:57
  Was my was my Musiker and absolutely watched it.
• 1:14:02
  Even if you're a local guy, even if I'm home every night, I'm
• 1:14:05
  still gone every night. Hey, we want to go do something
• 1:14:08
  this weekend. I can't.
• 1:14:09
  I gotta play gigs. Yeah, Nikki never wanted us to
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  do New Year's Eve gigs because she she had this thing.
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  Nikki is my wife 31 years that if if at midnight you're
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  supposed to, whatever you do at midnight is what you're doing
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  for the rest of the year. So if I'm not doing my wife at
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  Well. Here's the good.
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  Thing when I play. On New Year's Eve, I play at the
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  in. I play from 4:00 to 6:00 and
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  then I and I'm done and I get New Year's Eve.
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  I get New Year's Eve money. Here's the money to play for the
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  having some drinks. And then I'm done.
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  And then, you know, the past two, the past two years have
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  with my girlfriend and and then we and then and then we just go
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