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Is A Close Loss Progress? Plus, Managerial Decisions & Tarik Skubal's Recovery · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: And welcome in to another episode of Tiger Territory, part
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  Speaker 1: of the Foul Territory Network Tigers Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kieran Stakly with.
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  Speaker 1: Me as always a man who knows the right place
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  Speaker 1: to keep his tarp. He is Cody Stevenagen.
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  Speaker 2: How are we doing doing all right?
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  Speaker 3: Can we? Can we talk about what Oklahoma State head
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  Speaker 3: coach Eric Morris said about the tarpsof movement that kind
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  Speaker 3: of started at our alma mater, and he said, We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna be winning too many damn games to keep doing that.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that tells you my thoughts on it. I agree
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  Speaker 3: with his take.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you know. It was kind of the
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  Speaker 1: story of Tuesday night. We're recording this a couple hours
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  Speaker 1: after the Tigers dropped a four to three game to
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  Speaker 1: the Guardians. Obviously we'll talk about the game, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: part of the social media fads, it's made its way
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  Speaker 1: to Comerica Park, so we can address it, especially as
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  Speaker 1: you said, it originates basically at our alma made I'm
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  Speaker 1: not anti people having fun. I think it will run
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  Speaker 1: its course naturally, and those are my thoughts. Doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: to be every single game, doesn't have to be I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's necessarily a sign of a good game
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  Speaker 1: going on on the field, at least that's not how
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  Speaker 1: it originated.
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  Speaker 2: So that would be my thoughts right there.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what, go have fun, Go do your thing,
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  Speaker 1: but let's not It's kind of like in a way,
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  Speaker 1: like the wave, Like we don't have to do it
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  Speaker 1: every game, you know, like once or twice every now
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  Speaker 1: and then.
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  Speaker 2: It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, I can't decide if it's worse than
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  Speaker 3: the wave or not. I mean, the wave is is terrible,
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  Speaker 3: but at least it's like I don't know, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: gonna stop before people accuse me of being no fun.
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  Speaker 1: Have fun, but it doesn't have to be every single
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  Speaker 1: freaking time.
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  Speaker 3: You know, what would make the ballpark more fun is
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  Speaker 3: if the Tigers won some games. Everyone would be having fun.
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  Speaker 3: They wouldn't even have to take their shirts off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. And the Tigers, to I guess their credit,
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  Speaker 1: like this was a more fun and obviously more competitive
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  Speaker 1: game than what we saw on Monday night. So Tuesday night,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, four to three game, and look, this
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  Speaker 1: game had elements It's funny. This game had elements of
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers we know and the Tigers that we see.
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  Speaker 1: And that's kind of how I was feeling watching this game,
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  Speaker 1: where it's like you have, all right, you know, Tor
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  Speaker 1: you know, gets a bomb right after Riley you know,
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  Speaker 1: off a lefty starter which draws a walk, Like those
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  Speaker 1: are fun things. You have a j kind of weirdly
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  Speaker 1: in his bag in terms of how he was using
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  Speaker 1: his both pitching and pinch hit rotations, you know, to
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  Speaker 1: obviously mixed results. You have Hyu Lee almost game back
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  Speaker 1: pick but it's a bad throw. And then Riley Green
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  Speaker 1: scores a run, and you know, Tork hits a home run,
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  Speaker 1: but he still gets hit four like later in the
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  Speaker 1: game for cold Keith, and like all these things, like
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  Speaker 1: all these things happened. That was like it would have
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  Speaker 1: been kind of poetic had they won this game. Cody,
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  Speaker 1: It's like, all right, see this is like the Tigers
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting back into their field, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, but they lost.
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  Speaker 1: They got small ball to death basically in this game.
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  Speaker 1: And and also you were stuck with because of other decisions,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of pinch hitting, with other decisions, you were stuck
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  Speaker 1: with Jamai Jones, I would say getting more later high
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  Speaker 1: leverage at bats than he normally does in a game
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  Speaker 1: that he starts. So kind of a lot going on there, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: But was this did it feel progressive this game for
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers or is it just another like, man, they
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  Speaker 1: just can't get anything right. You do all these things
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  Speaker 1: and you still come up short.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was a better game than the last handful
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  Speaker 3: we've seen, there's no doubt about that. I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: had become a topic like why doesn't team have any energy?
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  Speaker 3: And aj Hinch said, well, people are confusing a lack
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  Speaker 3: of energy with lack of production. He's basically saying, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't have runners on base, you're not getting hits,
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  Speaker 3: how can it feel like there is energy?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 3: I somewhat disagree with that. I think the team just
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  Speaker 3: looks straight up flat and when you're at bats suck.
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  Speaker 3: You could equate that with lifeless play. The play was
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  Speaker 3: not lifeless Tuesday night, so in that regard, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a plus check. Tigers even had some good at bats.
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  Speaker 3: They walked six times, they had runners on base almost
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  Speaker 3: every inning. They didn't get enough of those guys into
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  Speaker 3: scoring position. And then when they did do that in
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  Speaker 3: the late innings, they just didn't get the breakthrough hit
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  Speaker 3: that was really the only I mean, we can go
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  Speaker 3: over the lineup or the pinshits or a couple. There's
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  Speaker 3: still some mistakes. Matt Vierlin getting doubled off on a
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  Speaker 3: soft line drive is actually pretty costly, even tough play
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  Speaker 3: at the wall. But Winsel Perez, you know, didn't make
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  Speaker 3: a catch that I wonder if Matt Vierling or even
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  Speaker 3: carry Arbener might have made. You know, there were still
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  Speaker 3: some things that you could look at and not like
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  Speaker 3: cater Montero walking some guys. But it was a better
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  Speaker 3: brand of play. You were right there. You just didn't
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  Speaker 3: get the good hit or the big hit, the breakthrough hit.
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  Speaker 3: But when you've lost now twelve of fourteen, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think it feels a lot better. I think you it
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  Speaker 3: almost feels worse because you're like, damn, we did a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the right things, Like the process was pretty
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  Speaker 3: good and you still walk away losing. Yeah, that's that's
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  Speaker 3: how I felt about it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how does the team feel so?
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  Speaker 1: And so we haven't done a vibe check in a second,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, obviously Monday was rough today, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with some good news actually that we'll get to a
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  Speaker 1: little bit later. But you know, Monday was rough, and
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  Speaker 1: then today was again one of those things where I
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  Speaker 1: had all the elements of like could it be up
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  Speaker 1: somewhat of a gritty tigs win, you know, like twelve
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  Speaker 1: or fourteen is twelve or fourteen though, and like there's
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  Speaker 1: not a lot that you can look to other than
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  Speaker 1: like Riley and a couple other elements of this team
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  Speaker 1: to just kind of like hang your hat on. So
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  Speaker 1: what's the vibe life in ca America? In the clubhouse?
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  Speaker 1: You know, even in the stands, you know, besides the
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  Speaker 1: shirtless thing, but like, you know, what's the vibe like
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  Speaker 1: right now?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Energy in the stands was certainly better. I guess
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  Speaker 3: the tarpsof thing didn't hurt that. And they're being actions
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  Speaker 3: Ajan just point like runners on base. It just made
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  Speaker 3: it seem like a better environment as far as the team, Like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I mean, these guys are working
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  Speaker 3: their butts off, so I'm not trying to bash them
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  Speaker 3: or anything, but I don't think the vibes are good.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that's just my own perception. My vibes probably weren't
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  Speaker 3: great Tuesday. Reichs like, all right, they're on a losing streak.
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  Speaker 3: Like what the hell am I supposed to ask here?
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  Speaker 3: They lost again? Like not real thrilled about going into
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  Speaker 3: this clubhouse post game. So maybe maybe my perception gets
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  Speaker 3: distorted through some of that stuff. But I don't say
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  Speaker 3: something feels a little bit off in that room right now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not feeling as much closeness as maybe there used
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  Speaker 3: to be. Maybe this is what happens when you bring
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  Speaker 3: in some veterans, when some of your guys are hurt
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  Speaker 3: the lock the locker room starts to look a little
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  Speaker 3: bit different. You have guys different ages, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: you wonder like, are there clicks starting to form? Are
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  Speaker 3: there is there some sort of division we don't know about?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying there is. I'm not saying there's
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  Speaker 3: anything like terrible happening, but something feels off. I will
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  Speaker 3: just throw that out there. Maybe that's the same as
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  Speaker 3: the energy thing, like yeah, yeah, how are you supposed
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  Speaker 3: to supposed to feel good when you're in the middle
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  Speaker 3: of a losing streak. That'd probably probably be a bigger
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  Speaker 3: problem if it was sunshine and rainbows in that room.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know. Like I've covered this team long
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  Speaker 3: enough and the pretty similar group of guys long enough
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  Speaker 3: and something I don't know. I can't quite put my
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  Speaker 3: finger on it, but something's been a little bit wrong,
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  Speaker 3: even pre injury bugs. I just haven't loved the energy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, what do you make of I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: it earlier when it's like all these kind of things
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  Speaker 1: that kind of led to this loss. Like if I
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  Speaker 1: were to say, even if you want to take some
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  Speaker 1: encouraging elements from Tuesday, and then we'll give shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Lee for the play that he made going across
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the diamond to you know, get the
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  Speaker 1: play good play it first, and even torque to going
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  Speaker 1: I would argue, probably as far as he's ever gone
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  Speaker 1: to feel the ground ball to his right side and
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  Speaker 1: make a good throw a montero who also maybe athletic
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  Speaker 1: play to cover first base. So like again, those would
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  Speaker 1: be like energy plays, right, I would say, uh, if
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  Speaker 1: you if you want to dictate those, But like the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers being like a progressive minded team, like don't mind
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  Speaker 1: other teams bunting runners over, they'll take the outs. But
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  Speaker 1: in two crucial situations, the Guardians opted that way and
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  Speaker 1: it and you know, to the victor go the spoils
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  Speaker 1: because they ended up winning. But I just feel like
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  Speaker 1: that's almost an insult an indication. Maybe that like Cleveland's like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we kicked their ass yesterday. We just got
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  Speaker 1: to scratch over a couple and we're probably gonna be okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then if you were on their side, I'd be like,
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  Speaker 1: the only reason this was even close ish is because
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  Speaker 1: we made a dumb, you know, backpick attempt that you
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  Speaker 1: kind of ended up biding us in the ass. And
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  Speaker 1: even Torque's home run wasn't a bad pitch or anything
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  Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, Uh, those teams. If I always say,
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  Speaker 1: like I was encouraged by X, these are the things
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  Speaker 1: I was discouraged by, is that Cleveland's like, we all
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  Speaker 1: we have to we got a game. All we gotta
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  Speaker 1: do to tie this series at worst is just do
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three level baseball and like want the guy
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  Speaker 1: over and and just have a sack fly and more
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  Speaker 1: or less that's all we need.
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  Speaker 3: H that's guardsball, baby. I mean, you watch this team
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  Speaker 3: for the last three or four years. This is what
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: they do, and they apply pressure through that. I sometimes
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: I still look at their line up, even though they
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: have some guys with good numbers right now. But I'm
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: still like, really like, come on and chase the Lotters
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  Speaker 3: out of little punch. Trevors Bizana maybe could do more
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  Speaker 3: of that as well, but it's like, wait, this team
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  Speaker 3: is in first place, this team might win the Ale
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  Speaker 3: Central yet again, really but then you watch their brand
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  Speaker 3: of play and teams like the Tigers sometimes just struggle
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  Speaker 3: to contain it. Or when a team like the Tigers
• 10:32
  Speaker 3: isn't scoring runs, maybe three or four is all you need.
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  Speaker 1: It reminds me of the blackjack phrase bus cards got
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  Speaker 1: a bust. You're not supposed to win these games doing
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: this style. That's what that's what we've kind of grown
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  Speaker 1: up with. But Cleveland, to their credit, it always seems
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  Speaker 1: to so just kind of like and again, you can
• 10:55
  Speaker 1: do the blowout thing and you can do this thing.
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  Speaker 1: That's a sign of a well run, good baseball team.
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  Speaker 1: So give them credit there. All right, we are going
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  Speaker 1: to take a quick break and then on the other
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  Speaker 1: side of this, we had the most significant siding in
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  Speaker 1: Detroit sports in sometime and that would be one tear
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• 12:22
  Speaker 3: Kieran real quick before we get into Schooble, can we
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  Speaker 3: go over some of the stuff the internet is talking
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  Speaker 3: about simming from Tuesday Night's game, Like, I've seen a
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: lot of like why is Riley Green hitting fifth? I'm
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily going to take a stand for like what's
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  Speaker 3: right or wrong, But the reason is the Tigers faced
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  Speaker 3: a left handed starting pitcher. They're facing a guardian's bullpin
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  Speaker 3: with multiple good left handers, so you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: stack a bunch of lefties atop that order. I know
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: some people who are sick of the matchup game might
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  Speaker 3: be rolling their eyes, but Matt vierling Hill lead off,
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall was hitting second, Jami Jones third, was a
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  Speaker 3: Dingler fourth. So you're you're putting some rities up there
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  Speaker 3: against lefties. Yeah, Riley Green's been really good against left
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  Speaker 3: handed pitching, but you're gonna be not putting Riley in
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  Speaker 3: a terrific position if you're basically guaranteeing him both at
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  Speaker 3: bats against a really good left handed starter and two
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  Speaker 3: good left handed relievers. AJ's trying, in theory to maximize
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  Speaker 3: the skill sets of guys like a Jemi Jones. It
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  Speaker 3: obviously did not work out, but like that is the
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  Speaker 3: rationale and that's not out of the norm. You're you're
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  Speaker 3: just not gonna stack a bunch of left handers against
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  Speaker 3: against a pitcher like Parker Messk and then hitting Cole
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  Speaker 3: Keith for Torque late in that game. That was kind
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: of interesting facing Hunter Gaddis. Left handed batters only thirteen
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  Speaker 3: at bats, but they're like six for thirteen against him
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  Speaker 3: this season, but a year ago Gaddis had slightly reversed splits,
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  Speaker 3: righties were a little bit better against him than AJ
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  Speaker 3: postgame basically said, hey, look, Tork, he hit the homer
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  Speaker 3: off a pitch in. He's really struggled with stuff away
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  Speaker 3: and given the way Gaddis throws, he's probably just gonna
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  Speaker 3: throw him junk away. So I'd rather put in Colt Keith.
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  Speaker 3: You have runners on base. We talked about they needed
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  Speaker 3: that breakthrough hit. AJ was really pushing for that breakthrough
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  Speaker 3: hit that in like it or not, is a higher
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  Speaker 3: leverage moment, arguably than some unknown at bat in the ninth. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: that decision led to Jami Jones facing Kate Smith, terrible
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  Speaker 3: matchup in the ninth. I think that's actually like an
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  Speaker 3: interesting baseball debate. Should you have hit for Tork there,
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  Speaker 3: should you have saved Keith for the ninth? I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna get too worked up about it
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  Speaker 3: one way or another, because they certainly understand why you
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: would want to take your shot in the eighth when
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  Speaker 3: you have runners on base, when you know what's in
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  Speaker 3: front of you. However, it does lead you, and even
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  Speaker 3: your initial lineup construction does lead you to a bad
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  Speaker 3: Jamia matchup in the ninth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I get why playing the results. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of tired to see and why and like
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  Speaker 1: over and over again and and and obviously a lot
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  Speaker 1: of at times it doesn't feel good in the moment,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to to to see see a play out.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe I've just been like drinking too much aj
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  Speaker 1: Hinch kool a. But at the same time, I understand,
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  Speaker 1: like money now is worth more than money in the future, right,
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  Speaker 1: So like aj Hinch is going to play the situation
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  Speaker 1: that is actually present, not necessarily saving something for a
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: hypothetical situation that very well, very well may not come
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  Speaker 1: to be or at the very least like not be relevant.
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  Speaker 1: Like the most relevant thing is what's happening right in
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  Speaker 1: front of him, and so he's gonna play it that
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  Speaker 1: way with obviously have some flexibility later in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody understands that, but it's sort of like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's like this is present that's make believe
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna anticipate what I'm gonna try to do what's
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  Speaker 1: best in the president as opposed to what what may
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  Speaker 1: or may not happen. So I get that, But Jamai
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  Speaker 1: Jones not surprised. I just looked it up twice. It's
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  Speaker 1: only a second game that he's had four played appearances.
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  Speaker 1: He did that a little bit more last season than
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  Speaker 1: people would remember. I just looked that up too, But uh,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't It just doesn't look good to have Jami
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  Speaker 1: Jones facing Smith there in the ninth and obviously just
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  Speaker 1: like a non competitive bet bat, and and obviously Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Fry is like, yeah, yeah, well I'm sorry, sorry, that's
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  Speaker 1: my bad.
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  Speaker 2: Vote is just like, uh yeah, I'll take that out
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  Speaker 2: every day.
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  Speaker 3: So it was interesting vote in a way manage that
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  Speaker 3: game to keep both Zac Short and Jami Jones in
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  Speaker 3: it at times by going to Eric Sabrowski lefty, who
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  Speaker 3: gets everybody out and Tim Herron kind of kept both
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  Speaker 3: those guys in the game, which is obviously not a
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  Speaker 3: not a great vote of confidence for either Jami or
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  Speaker 3: is that Short?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say that a game that Zach
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  Speaker 1: Short plays seven eighths worth and Jami gets four played appearances,
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  Speaker 1: it's probably not gonna bode well for your overall chances.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: But that's kind of where they're at right now. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: I understand.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: The the sort of the metaphorical pitches that Aja used
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: there to just to get to that point.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: So I get it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: It doesn't look good, it doesn't feel good, but I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: understand the rationale there all right, speaking to rationale if
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: you want to say, good rationale. Trek Skougle, not only
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: is he in Detroit, that was the big news of
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: the week, but he also threw a bullpen that was
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: another good news, and he spoke to the media. So
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: like all, like, all the things that like you would
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: think if someone's going to be out long term or
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: not occurring, have occurred for Ark Schoogl, So the latest
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: update has to be encouraging. So I just wanted to
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: kind of take us there, Cody. You saw him warm up,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: you didn't see the bullpen but you saw him warm
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: up and then you had a chance to speak with him,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: So what's the latest on Trek school ball and how's
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: it feeling?
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: What can you tell us?
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: It was pretty remarkable just just watching him throw, Karen.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I went out on the field and was able to
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: watch him warm up, and he's thrown, you know, from
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty plus feet, and he's not just
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: like soft tossing it, like he's throwing with some conviction.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: He's thrown with some power. And I was like, oh
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: my god, Like this guy had surgery twelve days ago.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: This is kind of crazy. And I was hoping to
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: watch his bullpen. I thought I was going to get
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: to see it, but you could see these storm clouds
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: rolling in. Someone came and tapped Terrek on the shoulder
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: and basically said, hey, we're gonna move this thing inside.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: They started walking in. For a half second, I'm not
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: gonna lie. I was like, are they are they really
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: taking this away from public view just because like me
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: and Dan Dickerson are out here, we are the only two.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I was like, but please tell me they're not doing that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Sure enough, it started pouring within ten minutes, so I
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: don't think it was any conspiracy. Talked to Terrek afterward.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: He seemed really encouraged. Sounds like the bullpen went well.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: It was a normal between starts type bullpen. He said,
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: he used all his pitches. I would assume he probably
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: would didn't get the exact pitch count. I would assume
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: probably around a thirty pitch bullpen if it was normal.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: That's wild. You know, we've We've done a lot of
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: talk and a lot I've done a lot of reporting
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: on the whole nano needle, and I'm still kind of
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: blown away just seeing Ark show up, seeing him throw.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: He was in obviously very good spirits. He said, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: bet you guys didn't expect to see me this soon.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think he initially would have expected himself to
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: be there this soon, but here he is. You guys
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: may have seen some of the quotes. It sounded like
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: it didn't take a whole lot of convincing to go
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: do this nano needle that had never been used on
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: an MLB picture before. Trek said, you know, they said
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: we'll get you back on the field quicker, and I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: basically stopped listening after that. Yeah, he also he's not
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: sure how he feels about the whole schooball scope, So
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I don't really want to be known for an injury.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: But then he kind of he's like, I don't know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: we'll see, you know, Jerry's still out, So Errek was
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: able to joke around, be a little bit lighthearted, but
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: also really encouraging news. We clearly still don't have a
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: full timeline for like when his next start in the
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: major leagues is going to be. I assume he's gonna
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: throw a couple more bullpins. You would think at least
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: a couple more rehab outings. It's already what May nineteenth,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: so that early June idea that was thrown out there,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: that would have to really be pushing it. But I
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: may not be a hole later than that if things
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: keep progressing. Well, it has been really remarkable to witness
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: thus far.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: You know, I saw a couple.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: A couple of people speculating on Twitter that, like, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: is is he rushing so he can get back as
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: soon as possible so that he can maximize his free
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: agency potential blah blah blah, And look, I understand like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: having that thought, but watching the game on Monday, it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: well out of hand. It's the eighth or ninth inning,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and I can't remember which ending it was, but it
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: was late and Schooble's in the dugout and the camera
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: finds him and he's smiling, cracking jokes with somebody. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: can't remember who it was. And in a different context
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that would be like, oh man, what's wrong with you
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: know this clubhouse or whatever? But the way I interpreted
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: it was, this is a guy who's like really happy
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: to be back in the dugout, back in the clubhouse,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: back with the team, and and feels good about where
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: he's going, like or where his body's at, and where
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: he could potentially be here in the next we'll just say,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: two three weeks or whatever, Like I told me that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: as like a pure essence, like I'm ballplayer right now
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: still even though he's technically still on the on the
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I l So I would assume School's intentions are peer
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: of heart. Plus the competitive nature that he has. School
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: is not really in the in the business of watching
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: his team lose games and being chummy about it. So
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I think he wants to come back, he wants to
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: win games, he wants to win a World Series. And
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: then you know, everything else happens after that. So that's
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that's my two cents on the on the whole.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Deal, well, I mean, I think it's both right. The
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: money is clearly a factor here. I'm sure as part
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: of a Scott Boris was involved in this decision making
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: and getting scoobl to al Latrosh, who ended up recommending
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the so called Schooble scope. Like that is just a
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: reality of this situation. But I do think Trek wants
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: to pitch for the Detroit Tigers and wants to help
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: his team, Like I think, I think two things can
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: be true here. Does that mean he's like rushing like
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I doesn't seem like it. Watching him throw, he looks
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: he looks pretty capable to me of being out there
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: doing what he is doing right now. So why wouldn't
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: you try to push it when there's some things at
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: stake both make sure for yourself, but certainly for your team,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: a team that really needs you right now. I look,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I don't there, I don't see everything that goes on
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: with this team, right I'm not in the hotel with him,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I'm not on the plane with him. I see more
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: than a lot of people, and I struggle to get
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: on board with like this notion that Scooble is soft
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: or that he's like only self interested. Like, to me,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: this guy's one of the best competitors I've ever been around.
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: He's a dog. He has two cy youngs to prove it. Like,
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: he is the best player on this team. He is
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the best pitcher. It is certainly best left handed pitcher
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: in baseball, the best pitcher in the American League. I
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: don't know that's that narrative through some of the drama
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: we all know, there's been plenty of drama has kind
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of taken off. Like I feel like there's some Tigers
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: fans out there right now that are kind of over
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Tarik Schouble, and I don't quite understand that line of thinking.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Is this guy gonna be gone after this year? A
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: pretty dangn good chance of it. I think people should
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: appreciate him while he is here, versus like, you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: saying I'm done with that guy.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can say that I'm on whatever boat is
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: not that boat. Just for the record of people who
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: are tired or over ter Schooble.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to state that plainly.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Also, we saw will Vest, will Vest made his return
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: from the il after you know, the scary right forearm inflammation,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: got the court of zone shot. You know, calm that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit, and you know, look like Will Vest.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna sit here and like brag about it
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: too much. But he threw I think it's like twelve
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: strikes three ball, got through the ending and had a
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: strikeout hit ninety eight. Look kind of like will Vest.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: To me, Really good to see. I like seeing ninety
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: eight from will Vest. Baby. Sometimes I cordzone shot will
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: help a little bit, so I hope it holds up.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I hope it stays that way, but really encouraging first
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: out and back for will.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: All right, And as we wrap up here, I kind
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of had this idea kind of kicking my head a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: little bit. And he pitched today too, and that's Tyler Holton,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Tyler Holten. Today made his twenty first if
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I have my numbers correct, appearance for the Tigers this year.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That's tied with Finnegan for most relief appearances. And kind
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of an interesting season from Holton. So he had the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: MVP vote season in twenty four and then twenty five,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it just kind of felt like he like like maybe
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: his expectations have been raised too high, and then it
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: felt like there was something kind of off with him
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: this year, Cody. So he gave up the earned run.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: It's only his second outing that he's given up one
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: earned run. Other than that has been like multiples or zero.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: So like if you look at the era, like it's
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: a little bit inflated from these three or four outings
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: where he's given up three runs and two runs, I'm
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: getting it right now here in front of me. But
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of blanks on here, Cody and someone that
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: obviously with the pitching staff depleted from a starter's perspective,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's going to continue to be turned
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: to in a in a heavy manner. Yeah, one three
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: earned run outing and three two run outings and again
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: second single earned run outing tonight. But overall, I think
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: we're getting closer to Tyler Holton that we know and love,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: unless that we question, and I just wanted to make
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: note of that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I certainly hope.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: So.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can look at the numbers and it's
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: pretty clear strikeouts. He was never a big strikeout artist,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: but they're down. He only has six point seven k's
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: per nine, probably more concerning for that type of picture.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Walks are up three point six walks per nine. He's
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: never walked battle two per nine in his career. And
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: then the babbit. This is a guy who always had
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: a really low batting average on ball and play. He
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: sustained it remarkably through four seasons or three full seasons.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: That's changed so far this year three forty nine babbit
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: against him. So some hits are falling, he's walking some
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: more guys doesn't have the strikeouts to help with that.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I don't love that. His first sitting tonight was a
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: lot better, but he's still he got down I believe
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: two to oh and then three to zero, which is
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: and they had to battle back, which is on Tyler Holton.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Like so I'd like to say he's looking a little better.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: There may be some signs of steps forward, but I
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: want to see Tyler Holton ahead and counts. I want
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: to see him generating weak ground balls. I want to
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: see that that slider looking good all the time. It
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: just hasn't quite put it together in consistent fashion yet.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and again like no time like the present for him,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: because again he's gonna be continued to be heavily used
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and uh and I again, I will say that AJ's
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: not shy about using him, so that it's like a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: twofold thing where you know, I'm not have that many
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: other great options. But also like there is a certain
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: trust factor there with Holton that feels stronger than it
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: did at a lot of times last year where we
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: were just more puzzled with what was going on with him.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: So uh so, yeah, so we'll see how he does
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: moving forward.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Troy Melton real quick, Cody. Troy Melton started in Lakeland today,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: would have been a would have been in Toledo, but
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: whether wanted to make sure he got his uh got
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: his full outing uninterrupted. But he go five innings, sixty
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: five pitches. Three pitches, Yeah, sixty three pitches. Seemed like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it was encouraging. You know, Yeah, it's the Flying Tigers,
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, but like seems like it was encouraging.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, could we see him.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Soon, Well, he's certainly on track. He's already made four
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: rehab outings. I think the question is pitch count. Talking
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: to a J. Hinch, you know, they want to keep
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: building the pinch pitch count, you know, he said sixty
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: five seventy seventy five pitches. He was only at sixty
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: three this outing, So does that mean maybe one more
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: in Toledo. I'm not sure. I would argue, why not
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: just bring this guy up. Guy's I'm fine, he's handled
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: his outings. He's I mean, you want to be responsible.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: It's Troy Melton. I get it, But I don't know
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: does he really need another rehab outing. I wouldn't hate
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: seeing Troy Melton in five days. I'll be interested to
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: see what they decide. But he's certainly getting close, which
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: is which is very encouraging.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That could be a spark.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: That could be a spark getting Melton back for obviously
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: for the first time this year. And and yeah, to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: his credit, seems like he's gone about quietly taking care
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of his business. We haven't talked about him a whole lot.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Obviously, He's I believe, not eligible to return from this
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: sixty DAYIL until May twenty fifth, if I have that right,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: May twenty fifth is what I'm going with right now.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Someone correct us if we're wrong on that. So it
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: can't be five days from now, but it can be soon.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you can correct us at Cody Stavenhagen, I am
• 30:17
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• 30:20
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• 30:23
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• 30:26
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• 30:28
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• 30:30
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• 30:40
  Speaker 1: So we'll be back Thursday to wrap up this Cleveland
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: series and and all the other storylines around the Tigers.
• 30:46
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• 30:49
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• 30:51
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• 30:54
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