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Mommy-Blog-Influencer’s Children Starving, Open Wounds, Duct-Taped · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
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Speaker 2: What exactly is an influencer? And for those of you
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Speaker 2: that can't see me, I'm absolutely using air quotes right now.
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Speaker 2: An influencer, What does that really mean? I mean, I've
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Speaker 2: seen influencers at parties, turking, I've seen them writhing up
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Speaker 2: against statutes and historic sites all across Europe and the US.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean to be an influencer? And what
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Speaker 2: does that mean when you're an influencer with literally millions
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Speaker 2: of so called followers, When you're child sneaks out of
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Speaker 2: a window, completely emaciated, starved, with signs all their bodies
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Speaker 2: that they have been bound tied up, likely with at
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Speaker 2: least duct tape, what kind of an influencer is that? Well,
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Speaker 2: according to me, that's the kind of influencer that would
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Speaker 2: best spend their time behind bars. Let's see who they
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Speaker 2: can influence in the CI Correctional Institute. That's where I'm
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Speaker 2: coming from. But I'll let you judge for yourself. Let's
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Speaker 2: kick it off with our friends at ABC.
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Speaker 3: Arrest documents saying the child escape to a neighbor's home.
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Speaker 3: The twelve year old child described by that neighbor in
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Speaker 3: a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with
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Speaker 3: open wounds. Core documents also describing deep lacerations from being
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Speaker 3: tied up with a rope.
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Speaker 2: About the thing.
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Speaker 4: Back at the homeless bum.
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Speaker 5: Police say they also found Frankie's ten year old daughter malnourished.
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Speaker 5: Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions
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Speaker 5: of TikTok and YouTube followers.
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Speaker 6: Police say a clearly malnourished twelve year old child crawled
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Speaker 6: out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivans Area home. A
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Speaker 6: neighbor called nine one one when he showed up out
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Speaker 6: their house asking for food and water. Officers say his
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Speaker 6: wrists were duct taped, he had wounds for being tied
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Speaker 6: up across his body. Investigators say they found a ten
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Speaker 6: year old girl inside the same house who was also malnourished.
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Speaker 2: And also hearing our friends at KSL. So we have
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Speaker 2: at least one child who had apparently just turned twelve,
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Speaker 2: crawling out the window of the family home starved. And
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Speaker 2: believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I
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Speaker 2: hope you never do. I pray to God you never do,
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Speaker 2: because when you see a child that has been starved,
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Speaker 2: as I have it's something you never forget. I remember
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Speaker 2: when I was going to North Carolina just recently to
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Speaker 2: cover the Alex Mardog double murder trial. I passed a
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Speaker 2: yard and there was a dog tied up in the
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Speaker 2: front yard to a steak, and I could see the
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Speaker 2: dog's ribs, and it reminds me when I went to
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Speaker 2: Aruba with Natalie Holloway's mother just recently, tried to turn
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Speaker 2: up new evidence far at the end of the island
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Speaker 2: where the lighthouse is. There was a pack of dogs,
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Speaker 2: maybe four or five of them, that kept coming up
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Speaker 2: to us, chasing after us, and they looked like skeletons
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Speaker 2: that their ribs were poking out, and it just I
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Speaker 2: thought about them over and over and over. And when
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Speaker 2: you see a child with their ribs poking out, clearly emaciated,
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Speaker 2: I can't even get the dogs out of my mind,
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Speaker 2: much less the children that I saw that way as
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Speaker 2: a prosecutor, and not just once, over and over and
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Speaker 2: over food deprivation, starving your child. I think about this
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Speaker 2: twelve year old little boy to the point where he
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Speaker 2: crawls out the window and goes to a neighbor asking
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Speaker 2: for food, and the neighbor sees lacerations, lacerations for the
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Speaker 2: child has been tied up, and then we learn that
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Speaker 2: there's another child in the home, a ten year old
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Speaker 2: little girl with the same lacerations, mal nutrition, malnourished living
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Speaker 2: in that home. Who and the hell is the mommy?
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Speaker 2: Who and the hell is the dad that would do
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Speaker 2: this to their childre children? Well, I hope you're sitting down.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friends at GMA.
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Speaker 5: A Utah mom influencer arrested facing six felony counts of
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Speaker 5: aggravated child abuse. For the first time, we're hearing emergency
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Speaker 5: responders as they see one of Ruby Frankie's children after
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Speaker 5: he allegedly escaped through a window and.
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Speaker 7: Now does have done k Brownie's ankle.
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Speaker 2: He's not telling up to the right and so.
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Speaker 8: That their stores around.
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Speaker 9: His with an ankle.
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Speaker 10: He's becoming correct, he's becoming emotional regarding the child's health.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have with me an all star panel
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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. But
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Speaker 2: first I want to go to investigative reporter with KSL
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Speaker 2: dot com out of Utah. Emily Ashcraft is with us. Emily,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Who is this woman
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Speaker 2: And we're hearing a lot about the mom, But as
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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, the father can go straight to
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Speaker 2: hell too. But first tell me who is she?
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Speaker 11: She is a family YouTuber of Logger and the Family.
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Speaker 11: Actually it's it's YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently
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Speaker 11: and she started up another YouTube channeler as a counselor
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Speaker 11: instead of a mom.
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Speaker 2: What is eight Passengers?
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Speaker 11: So that that's the family's YouTube channel, and you know
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Speaker 11: she said in an article KSL wrote years ago that
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Speaker 11: she started the channel because she wanted other moms who
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Speaker 11: were kind of starting out with infants to see what
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Speaker 11: it's like to have kids that are getting older. Kind
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Speaker 11: of the rewards of motherhood is what she wanted to
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Speaker 11: show off in her in the eight Passengers YouTube channel.
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Speaker 2: How many followers did she have? Ruby Ranky YouTuber mom
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Speaker 2: of six Ruby Rankie f R A n k E.
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Speaker 2: How many follow I understand over two point two million
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Speaker 2: subscribers to eight Passengers channel.
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Speaker 11: That's the numbers that I've seen as well.
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Speaker 2: Okay, who in the hay is drinking the kool aid?
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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know, And I want to
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Speaker 2: go now to Donna Kelly, former Utah Senior Deputy District
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Speaker 2: Attorney and lawyer for Crime Victims Legal Clinic. Donna, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. And I've seen this over
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Speaker 2: and over and over. It's not just a story. It's
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Speaker 2: not something we're reporting on. It's not some fiction or
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Speaker 2: TV made for TV movie. Not only do you have
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Speaker 2: the parents abusing the child horribly, but people around them,
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Speaker 2: they know what's happening and they do nothing. What is
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Speaker 2: wrong with these people? I mean, it's not as if
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Speaker 2: this just happened and they suddenly see, Oh, the child
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Speaker 2: has bruises all over their arms. That's suspicious. They're starved.
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Speaker 2: There a starve that takes a long period of time,
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Speaker 2: Donna Kelly, and nobody noticed.
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Speaker 4: Yes it does.
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Speaker 12: And unfortunately, many abusers are have the mindset that they
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Speaker 12: work hard at portraying themselves as you know, the good parent,
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Speaker 12: the parent you go to when you need advice. That
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Speaker 12: type of thing is not uncommon, and so that appears
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Speaker 12: to be what's going on here is that this particular
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Speaker 12: set of parents decided that they were going to portray
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Speaker 12: themselves as the ideal parent and put that out there
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Speaker 12: to the world. And apparently a lot at least two
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Speaker 12: point two million people.
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Speaker 4: Were fooled.
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Speaker 2: Guys. I just want you to hear something. Take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Independent journalist and YouTuber Katie Paulson tracks child abuse cases.
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Speaker 13: She says Frankie's YouTube Channel eight passengers caught her at time.
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Speaker 14: And she was saying how she would send her daughter
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Speaker 14: to school with no food, and it was almost like
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Speaker 14: she was bragging about it.
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Speaker 13: She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about
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Speaker 13: his punishment on the channel.
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Speaker 14: He was talking about how he had been sleeping on
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Speaker 14: the floor on a bean bag chair and how his
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Speaker 14: mom had taken away his bed and is taking away
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Speaker 14: his door.
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Speaker 2: That child had to sleep on a bean bag chair
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Speaker 2: for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother,
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Speaker 2: A prank, i might add, that didn't even cause any
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Speaker 2: physical harm. What he did was he told the brother
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Speaker 2: they were going to Disneyland the next morning, and the
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Speaker 2: brother got up and packed and put on his sunglasses
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Speaker 2: and was ready to go. It was a joke. They
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Speaker 2: didn't go to Disneyland. That was a prank, and this
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Speaker 2: child was thrown out of his room and forced to
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Speaker 2: sleep on the floor on a bean bag for nearly
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Speaker 2: a year.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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Speaker 2: I've watched the videos this mom brags about withholding food.
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Speaker 2: You know, last night John David was away too late
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Speaker 2: on a school night, and I thought he was hungry.
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Speaker 2: Some made toast with honey. And this was at eleven
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Speaker 2: o'clock at night when he has to get up at six. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I know he's up too late. I brought that to
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Speaker 2: his attention, But he's six ' five. What am I
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Speaker 2: gonna do? Hold him down and sit on him in
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Speaker 2: the bed and make him go to sleep. But I
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Speaker 2: was so worried he was hungry that I went in
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Speaker 2: the kitchen and made him something and took to him
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Speaker 2: with a glass of milk. And he went straight to
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Speaker 2: sleep after that. And here we've got a mom starving
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Speaker 2: the children and ragging about it online. But I also
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Speaker 2: don't understand. To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychology and consultant.
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Speaker 2: You can find her at psychologydoctor dot com. She's bad enough,
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Speaker 2: but who are the two point two million people that
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Speaker 2: tune in to watch her gibberish?
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Speaker 15: Well, I can tell you I certainly wasn't tuning in.
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Speaker 15: I've never even heard of Ruby frank until this came up.
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Speaker 15: But what's more deplorables her sidekick, Jodie Hildebrandt, who's a
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Speaker 15: license professional, who's observing this the whole time.
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Speaker 2: Two point two million people are following this witch straight
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Speaker 2: from hell. I want you to hear more of what
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Speaker 2: we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Diane Nevins remembers being horrified at what she was watching
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Speaker 13: on YouTube.
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Speaker 16: It was kind of like every video there was something
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Speaker 16: to be shocked about. Her son couldn't walk from until
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Speaker 16: he was like two and a half years old, and
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Speaker 16: she never got any help. And she admitted that she
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Speaker 16: had a one point he'd fallen off the couch or
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Speaker 16: she dropped him. He had got no no physical therapy anything.
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Speaker 13: Nevin says when she commented her concerns, she was blocked
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Speaker 13: by Frankie.
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Speaker 2: What exactly to Emily Askoff, joining us investigative reporter for
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Speaker 2: KSL dot com, what was found in the home after
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Speaker 2: the neighbor has to call nine one one when she
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Speaker 2: gets a twelve year old little boy who says his
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Speaker 2: ten year old sisters inside of the same injuries, starved,
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Speaker 2: starved and covered in lacerations showing the child had been
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Speaker 2: tied up. What the cops find when they go inside.
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Speaker 11: They found a second child, and that the two youngest
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Speaker 11: children in the family were both so starved. The one
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Speaker 11: that didn't crawl out and initially refused medical care, but
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Speaker 11: they after interacting with her for a while, they kind
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Speaker 11: of said, let's go to the hospital as well. And
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Speaker 11: both of the women were churched with six counts, three
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Speaker 11: for each child of aggravated child abuse.
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Speaker 2: Authorities say. The children were described as quote their words,
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Speaker 2: not mine, emaciated and malnourished, with open wounds and duct
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Speaker 2: tapes around the extremities, begging for food and water, begging
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Speaker 2: for food and water. And this woman. And don't think
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Speaker 2: I'm letting the husband off, Oh no, I'm getting to him.
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Speaker 2: This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice.
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Speaker 2: I'm just imagining the inside of that home and how
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Speaker 2: the children were bound with duct tape and apparently their
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Speaker 2: skin was burned with ropes having tied them up. What
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Speaker 2: kind of mothering and fathering is that? And it brings
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Speaker 2: to mind the so called House of Horrors. Yes, the
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Speaker 2: evil Turpin parents. Their daughter crawled out of the house
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Speaker 2: out of a window and ran to call nine to
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Speaker 2: one one to save her brothers and sisters. They were
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Speaker 2: found in the same exact condition. Take listen to our
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Speaker 2: cut thirty five. Our friends at ac GTN.
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Speaker 7: Officials say when they entered the Turpin home they found
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Speaker 7: a modern day work foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and
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Speaker 7: they say it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished.
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Speaker 7: Authorities say they found three of the children shackled to
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Speaker 7: their beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and
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Speaker 7: unclean conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located
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Speaker 7: twelve children inside the house as young as two years old.
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Speaker 2: And upon further investigation, when authorities went to their last
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Speaker 2: home where the Turpins lived, they found claw marks on
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Speaker 2: the inside of closet doors where children had tried to
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Speaker 2: claw their way out. And listened to this nine to
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Speaker 2: one one calling our cut thirty six. This is a
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Speaker 2: Turpin child that crawled out the window, much like this
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Speaker 2: influencer's child did.
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Speaker 17: Okay, I listened a family of fifteen people, and my
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Speaker 17: parents are pus in the US US, and my two
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Speaker 17: little sisters right now are changed up.
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Speaker 8: And how many of your siblings are tied up.
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Speaker 17: Of my sisters, one of my brothers.
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Speaker 2: How are they tied up with rope or with what
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Speaker 2: it's king?
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Speaker 17: They're changed up to their bed guys.
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Speaker 2: Also, I can't forget the case of Jennifer Wolfthall take
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Speaker 2: a listener cut thirty four our friend Stephen helling Over
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Speaker 2: at people dot com.
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Speaker 18: According to an arrest report obtained by WFTV, wolf Thal
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Speaker 18: was arrested that time after her husband arrived at the
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Speaker 18: hospital with their eight year old daughter, who suffered from
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Speaker 18: conditions including pneumonia, a staff infection, and liver failure. Authority
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Speaker 18: say the girl was also malnourished and had multiple bruises,
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Speaker 18: a skin infection, and several open wounds. Wolf Thal is
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Speaker 18: the author of the children's book A Real Friend. It
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Speaker 18: has been removed from sale by its publisher.
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Speaker 2: See the connection I'm making right there. You've got this
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Speaker 2: woman who is an influencer who has a YouTube channel
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Speaker 2: about parenting. She has mistreated and it beings to her children.
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Speaker 2: They're starving, They're tied up with duct tape. When cots
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Speaker 2: get there, they still have duct tape on their extremities.
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Speaker 2: It looks like they have rope burns, and they're begging
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Speaker 2: for food and water, having to climb out the window
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Speaker 2: to get to a phone to call nine to one one,
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Speaker 2: begging neighbors to give them something to eat. And here
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Speaker 2: is this book author who has her child covered in bruises,
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Speaker 2: with skin infections, open wounds. You know what makes Ruby
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Speaker 2: frank different from the Turpin mob. Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: she has this YouTube channel and boys, she making the
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Speaker 2: most of it. Guys, I want you to take a
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Speaker 2: listen to doctor free has joining us pediatrician, pediatric emergency
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Speaker 2: medicine expert, child safety expert. And you can find doctor
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Speaker 2: free has at pdmom dot com. Let me spell that
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Speaker 2: doesn't look like it sounds. It's like pediatrician p as
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Speaker 2: in Peter E. D as in daffodil I p ed
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Speaker 2: imom dot com. Doctor free has thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. What this woman has is hair and makeup.
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Speaker 2: That's what makes her different from the Turpin family or
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Speaker 2: the other mom. They're all builds above, straight from hell.
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Speaker 2: They're the devil's minions.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's actually a very big misconception that a
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Speaker 8: lot of people have about abusers. Child abusers specifically. I
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Speaker 8: think a lot of people have in their mind that
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Speaker 8: it's only a certain type of person that can do
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Speaker 8: these types of evil things to children, and it's not.
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Speaker 8: It can literally be anybody.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you think you know your neighbor, You
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Speaker 2: think you know all about what's going on in your neighborhood.
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Speaker 2: These children are being starved in their own home, assaulted,
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Speaker 2: tied up with ropes and with duct tape that we
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Speaker 2: know of based on the evidence we're hearing so far,
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Speaker 2: and nobody did a thing, and people kept watching this
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Speaker 2: woman online. Jason Jensen joining me Salt Lake City, Utah,
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Speaker 2: private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations, co founder of
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Speaker 2: the Cold Case Coalition, and you can find them at
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Speaker 2: Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. This is in your neck of
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Speaker 2: the woods. What do you have to say.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, there's a lot that can be said here.
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Speaker 4: It's interesting that, you know the outer image that was
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Speaker 4: being portrayed, you know, like you describer Glamour's mom raising
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Speaker 4: six kids, wants to show off to the world how
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Speaker 4: to do it right. Well, you know that seems to
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Speaker 4: really have like a Mormon household style image oftentimes in
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Speaker 4: the church. Here in our community. They try to portray
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Speaker 4: to the world a model style of raising a family,
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Speaker 4: and unfortunately this lady took matters way to the extreme.
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Speaker 4: We're not just showing like discipline online, but goes to
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Speaker 4: the extreme of child abuse.
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Speaker 2: Jason Jensen, isn't it true that your children have actually
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Speaker 2: watched this woman's YouTube channel? What did they think?
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Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, Actually, my two kids were the ones that
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Speaker 4: brought Ruby Frankie to my attention because years ago, when
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Speaker 4: they were younger, they watched and enjoyed the channel, and
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Speaker 4: sometimes they got a kick out of it because she
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Speaker 4: was such a gruff parent. She was always harsh on them,
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Speaker 4: and it kind of gave them the impression that she
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Speaker 4: was a disciplinary And what both of my kids said
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Speaker 4: is pertaining to So the two younger kids, the subjects
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Speaker 4: the victims of this recent arrest is they said they
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Speaker 4: could tell mom did not like these two kids very well.
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Speaker 2: Guys, when someone did try to speak out against Ruby Frankie,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to what happened in our cut seventeen
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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Paulson also saying when she did a report on what
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Speaker 13: Frankie and her kids were seeing in the videos, she
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Speaker 13: was threatened to be sued. She forwarded me an email
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Speaker 13: from Frankie's lawyer sent in twenty twenty that says, in part,
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Speaker 13: we represent the family vlog channel Eat passengers who continue
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Speaker 13: to be harmed by defamatory videos uploaded to YouTube by
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Speaker 13: your client and saying it resulted in a baseless visit
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Speaker 13: by Child Protective Services.
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Speaker 14: They always say, if you see something, say something, and
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Speaker 14: in this case, when people said something, they were threatened.
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Speaker 2: Let me understand something. Emily Ashcroft joining us from KSL
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Speaker 2: Child Protective Services went to the hall even though now
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Speaker 2: Frankie is climbing. That was baseless and what they found nothing,
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Speaker 2: They couldn't tell anything was going on.
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Speaker 11: Yet they went to the home to talk about those
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Speaker 11: claims that you brought up in videos. It was clear
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Speaker 11: that she sent a child to school without lunch and
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Speaker 11: had a child sleeping on a bean bag, and so
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Speaker 11: they went to investigate those and that that didn't lead
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Speaker 11: to any charges. At that point, you know it's red flags,
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Speaker 11: but I guess not flagtivity.
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Speaker 2: I watched it. She brags about withholding food from her children.
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Speaker 2: How is that? Okay? Take a listnour cut twenty two.
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Speaker 2: This is Ruby Frankie in eight Passengers.
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Speaker 19: Russell got the big bedroom and Chat got the smaller bedroom.
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Speaker 19: And Russell's bigger bedroom also had a bathroom. But what
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Speaker 19: you guys didn't know was didn't get any room.
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Speaker 4: He didn't, he didn't get anything.
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Speaker 10: He was sleeping on the floor in the family room Abby.
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Speaker 19: We took the phone away from Abby in November and
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Speaker 19: you may never get the phone back. And my kids
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Speaker 19: are literally starving. I hesitate to say this because it's
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Speaker 19: gonna sound like I'm like a mean barbarian. But I
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Speaker 19: told the kids, I said, I'm not even gonna let
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Speaker 19: you eat breakfast until you get your chores done.
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Speaker 2: It's not just that she's withholding food, and it's not
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Speaker 2: just because they didn't do chores one morning before school.
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Speaker 2: It's all the time. You don't get to a point
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Speaker 2: of starvation when you occasionally skip breakfast. Isn't that true,
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Speaker 2: doctor free hes pediatrician.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely. You don't get to move feeded by missing a
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Speaker 9: meal or two here or there, and you don't appear
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Speaker 9: to be that to outside people unless you're missing a
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Speaker 9: substantial amount of meals and nutrition, which can then lead
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Speaker 9: to a whole host of other things that unfortunately these kids.
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Speaker 2: May have to deal with. So in one fell sweet
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Speaker 2: we hear about with holding food until chores are done
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Speaker 2: in the morning, not giving one child a place to sleep.
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Speaker 2: But there's a certain a bragging, a bravado of joeviality,
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Speaker 2: of cheer, and the way she describes how she's treating
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Speaker 2: her children and what everybody just stands by and licks
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Speaker 2: it up. Why they're a big at the trough. Take
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Speaker 2: a listen hour cut twenty four more of Ruby Frankie.
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Speaker 10: I just got a text message from Eve's teacher and
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Speaker 10: she said that Eve did not pack a lunch today
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Speaker 10: and can I bring a lunch over to the school.
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Speaker 10: This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because
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Speaker 10: I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being
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Speaker 10: hungry and not having a lunch, and it would ease
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Speaker 10: her discomfort if I came to the school with lunch.
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Speaker 10: But I responded and just said Eve is responsible for
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Speaker 10: making her lunches in the morning, and she actually told
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Speaker 10: me she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome
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Speaker 10: is she's just going to need to be hungry and
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Speaker 10: hopefully nobody gives her food and nobody steps in and
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Speaker 10: gives her a lunch.
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Speaker 2: And isn't it true that at that time, Emily Ashcroft
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Speaker 2: KSL this little girl was only six years old.
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Speaker 11: That's what I saw is this is a you know,
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Speaker 11: first grader, just you know, first year. She's bringing food
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Speaker 11: to food to school probably and the later the mom said,
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Speaker 11: you know, justifying it after after child protective services were called,
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Speaker 11: she said, you know, it was I didn't learn until
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Speaker 11: two hours before the end of school and it was
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Speaker 11: a forty five minute drive, so getting it to her.
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Speaker 2: Really, because that's not what she said in her blood gratitude.
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Speaker 2: She said it was because the child didn't the six
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Speaker 2: year old girl did not pack her own lunch.
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Speaker 8: Changed said that.
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Speaker 2: She knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if her
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Speaker 2: child had food. What about the child? What about the
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Speaker 2: child's discomfort? That's not all. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: cuts twenty seven to twenty eight more of Ruby. Frankie
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Speaker 2: Kevin and I.
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Speaker 19: We have six children. The two youngest are showing long
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Speaker 19: patterns of selfishness. They have been showing through their choices,
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Speaker 19: their unwillingness to repent, their unwillingness to feel sorrow over
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Speaker 19: some pretty egregious choices that they've made. So Kevin and
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Speaker 19: I have decided that we are going to give the
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Speaker 19: gift of truth to them this year for Christmas. We
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Speaker 19: are having to give them the gift of boundaries, and
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Speaker 19: we're going to give them the gift of repentance. So
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Speaker 19: we sat down with them and we let them know
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Speaker 19: how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices that
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Speaker 19: they've been making, and how it's affected their teachers at school,
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Speaker 19: it's affected their peers, it's affected in our home, the siblings,
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Speaker 19: and we just laid it out very clear, and we
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Speaker 19: told them that this year they are not going to
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Speaker 19: be visited by Santa. We let them know that Christmas Morning, therefore,
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Speaker 19: older siblings will be getting Christmas presents to open and
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Speaker 19: that they will have the gift of love from their
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Speaker 19: dad and.
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Speaker 1: I prime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 19: Kevin and I have decided that we are going to
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Speaker 19: give the gift of truth to them this year for Christmas.
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Speaker 19: We are going to give them the gift of boundaries,
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Speaker 19: and we're going to give them the gift of repentance.
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Speaker 19: So we sat down with them and we let them
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Speaker 19: know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices
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Speaker 19: that they have been making and how it's affected their
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Speaker 19: teachers at school, it's affected their peers, it's affected our home.
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Speaker 19: The siblings, and we just laid it out very clear,
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Speaker 19: and we told them that this year they are not
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Speaker 19: going to be visited by Santa. We let them know
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Speaker 19: that Christmas more. Therefore, older siblings will be getting Christmas
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Speaker 19: presents to open and that they will have the gift
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Speaker 19: of love from their dad.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, okay, let's just examine what we just heard. Donna
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Speaker 2: Kelly joining me, former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney. Donna.
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Speaker 2: She says the youngest two, which I believe to be
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Speaker 2: around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to
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Speaker 2: quote repent. So therefore, while all the other children were
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Speaker 2: visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because
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Speaker 2: they would not quote repent. I didn't make that up,
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Speaker 2: she said that. And after you speak, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: need a shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly, and Donna,
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Speaker 2: I know you've seen this, as have I, where one
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Speaker 2: or more children are picked out as the targets. Although
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Speaker 2: I think all of these children have been abused and
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Speaker 2: mistreated seemingly one usually is picked out as the most
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Speaker 2: despised and hated, and they're tortured more than anyone else.
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Speaker 2: These two children, as they watch their sisters and brothers
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Speaker 2: get Christmas Morning surprises, they get nothing. And then there
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Speaker 2: are two children that are bound with duct tape and
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Speaker 2: ropes and starved. I just want to get my hands
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Speaker 2: around this woman's neck. Then not only does she do
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Speaker 2: this to her children behind closed doors, she brags about
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Speaker 2: it on a YouTube channel that is two point two
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Speaker 2: million followers.
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Speaker 12: It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her portray herself
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Speaker 12: as the victim. You know, we told these two children
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Speaker 12: that their dad and I were very sorrowful, and so
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Speaker 12: she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a very
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Speaker 12: common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And these
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Speaker 12: are children. They need to learn by trial and error
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Speaker 12: as they go along, and the parents need to be
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Speaker 12: responding to them in that way, in a kind and
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Speaker 12: loving way, and it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can see
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Speaker 12: why they were charged with severe emotional harm of these
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Speaker 12: two children. In the charging document, they're charged with not
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Speaker 12: only torture maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which it
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Speaker 12: absolutely is.
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Speaker 2: To doctor Dana Anderson, forensic psychologists and consultant, what do
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Speaker 2: you make of the other children, four of them getting
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Speaker 2: all their Christmas gifts from Santa and these two being
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Speaker 2: left out on Christmas morning, one of the biggest days,
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Speaker 2: one of the two biggest days in the Christian year,
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Speaker 2: that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because
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Speaker 2: they wouldn't quote repent.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them,
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Speaker 15: punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort
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Speaker 15: of brainwashing, gaslightingness.
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Speaker 2: On a six year old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six
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Speaker 2: year old child and her brother. So let me understand something.
30:25
Speaker 2: The Emily Ashcroft, the six year old child that had
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Speaker 2: food withheld, would that be the now ten year old
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Speaker 2: child left behind in the home, starving and tied up
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Speaker 2: when the twelve year old brother escapes through the window.
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Speaker 11: That would be that same child.
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Speaker 2: So this has been going on since the little girl
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Speaker 2: was six and the little boy was eight.
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Speaker 11: One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her
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Speaker 11: arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around
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Speaker 11: other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that,
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Speaker 11: but it seems like it was specific to those.
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Speaker 2: Where is the dad and all this? What is he
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Speaker 2: doing standing by twiddling his thumbs?
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Speaker 11: So at this point, Ruby Frankie and her children were
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Speaker 11: down in Ivans, which is probably about between three and
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Speaker 11: four hours from Springville. We know that Ruby Frankie was
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Speaker 11: there because she shows up in a video and that's
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Speaker 11: why she was charged. She was in a video that
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Speaker 11: was posted shortly before. We don't know if the dad
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Speaker 11: was down there in Ivans, up in Springville, how long
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Speaker 11: he hadn't been there, or maybe he wasn't Ivans, but
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Speaker 11: he has the children right now.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that he should have the children. Did
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Speaker 2: he not notice two of his children, at least two
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Speaker 2: of them, or being slowly starved and tortured near death?
31:42
Speaker 2: I mean, when neighbors noticed the child is starved and
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Speaker 2: covered in dutt tape on their extremities? Where was the
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Speaker 2: dad during all this? He didn't know what's going on?
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Speaker 2: And apparently this has been going on for some time.
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Speaker 2: At least the little girl was six. Guys, take a
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Speaker 2: listen to our cup thirty.
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Speaker 5: Carturing him stopping.
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Speaker 2: I know you're not, but it looks like you are.
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Speaker 10: I'm only gonna say it one more time and then
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Speaker 10: you're gonna lose the privilege to eat dinner.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I hear the laughter. I don't know what's going on,
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Speaker 2: but I also hear you're gonna lose the privilege of
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Speaker 2: eating dinner. I hear Ruby Frankie saying that what makes
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Speaker 2: her any different from all the other abusive parents? Hair
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Speaker 2: and makeup? Two hours of hair and makeup before she
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Speaker 2: gets in front of the camera. To Jason Jensen joining
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Speaker 2: US high profile private investigator out of Utah located in
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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City, Jason Jensen, how are we gonna go
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Speaker 2: about proving this case?
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Speaker 4: Well, I think you hit most of it on the head.
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Speaker 4: And basically we have to show that there's a pattern,
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Speaker 4: a history between the actor, the abuser, her and her
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Speaker 4: victim children. And we have that pretty well established from
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Speaker 4: some of the outtakes of the YouTube channel, things that
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Speaker 4: have been brought up by fellow viewers and that we've
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Speaker 4: discussed here during the program. There's a history of this
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Speaker 4: type of neglect and abuse against these two particular children
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Speaker 4: that have been slowly brewing over time, where it was
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Speaker 4: perhaps determined to be minor, not enough to remove the
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Speaker 4: children from the home before, but now we're so severe
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Speaker 4: that they're being bound in duct tape like you know abductees,
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Speaker 4: and they're not even allowed to you know, venture forth
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Speaker 4: from the house and every time that they get in
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Speaker 4: trouble food is taken away as a punishment.
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Speaker 2: Well. Also we're learning that one Abruby Frankie's other daughters
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Speaker 2: says her Muther was reported to police years before for
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Speaker 2: abuse and nothing was done. And sisters of Frankie. Three
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Speaker 2: sisters have also released statements admitting that they quote kept
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Speaker 2: quiet on the subject. What in the hay is that
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Speaker 2: doctor Dana Anderson that the family knows, but they choose
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Speaker 2: to remain quiet and let the children continue to starve
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Speaker 2: and be tied up and bound.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: I can't say the extent of what the family knew,
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Speaker 15: but they certainly had some information. And I think it's
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Speaker 15: interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating
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Speaker 15: what side they're on. And I wonder if what the
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Speaker 15: phone loongue would show of them attempting to reach out
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Speaker 15: or call CPS or the police.
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Speaker 2: Because they've issued a statement and I'm quoting them, we
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Speaker 2: quote kept quiet on the subject. Now, the daughter Sherry
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Speaker 2: has something to say. Take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 2: twenty box thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Frank's oldest daughter, Sherry Frank, who is twenty years old,
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Speaker 13: posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police
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Speaker 13: with the caption. Finally, she added another story, saying, me
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Speaker 13: and my family are so glad justice is being served.
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Speaker 13: We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for
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Speaker 13: years about this and so glad they finally decided to
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Speaker 13: step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.
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Speaker 13: Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy.
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Speaker 13: As of now, four children have been taken into custody
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Speaker 13: of Child and Family Services.
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Speaker 2: The sisters, who are also YouTubers stay this is their quote.
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Speaker 2: For the last three years, we have kept quiet on
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Speaker 2: the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie for the sake
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Speaker 2: of her children, behind the public saying We've done everything
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Speaker 2: we could to try and make sure the kids were
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Speaker 2: Say really, because they weren't the three sisters. They were starving,
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Speaker 2: they were being bound by ropes and duct tape, and
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Speaker 2: what if anything did you do about it? Sounds like
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Speaker 2: nothing Because I have a very strong suspicion that if
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Speaker 2: they had called Defects Department Family, Children's Services, CPS, CHOP
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Speaker 2: protect of Services, and some jurisdictions that there would have
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Speaker 2: been a response, would you agree, Donna Kelly.
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Speaker 12: Oh, absolutely absolutely. In this case, I am very encouraged
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Speaker 12: by a couple of things, and those are that a
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Speaker 12: lot of the evidence is going to be admissible without
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Speaker 12: the children even having to testify about some of these things.
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Speaker 12: Because when this little boy ran to the neighbor for help,
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Speaker 12: you know, they have observations. And also anything that he
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Speaker 12: told them will be admissible. Anything that he told and
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Speaker 12: the little girl, we're all told to the medical personnel
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Speaker 12: will be admissible at trial. So at the very least,
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Speaker 12: this case has very strong cooperation going forward, and I'm
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Speaker 12: very encouraged by that.
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Speaker 2: Guys, there's another person arrested. Take alist nowur cut eighteen
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Speaker 2: Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: Eight passengers was taken down earlier this year, and that's
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Speaker 13: when Frankie partnered with Jody Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist, in
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Speaker 13: a channel called Connections, where they gave parenting and life advice.
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Speaker 13: Here they are pictured in Hildebrant's home, the same place
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Speaker 13: Frankie's son escaped from and where her daughter was found
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Speaker 13: being held captive in the basement.
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Speaker 14: It's heartbreaking, and I think it's heartbreaking for the community
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Speaker 14: that watched this family knew that something was wrong.
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Speaker 2: So people watched the family and knew something was wrong
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Speaker 2: and did nothing. Now I want you to hear more
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Speaker 2: of what the sisters said. We wouldn't feel right about
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Speaker 2: moving forward with regular content without addressing the most recent events,
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Speaker 2: their sister getting arrested and her friend Jody Hildebrandt. But
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Speaker 2: they say once we do, we will not be commenting
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Speaker 2: on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen.
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Speaker 2: Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are
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Speaker 2: now safe, which is number one priority, Really the number
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Speaker 2: one priority. You say you've remained silent for three years.
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Speaker 2: Why did you stand by and let this happen to
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Speaker 2: these children? And where is the father? Why is he
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Speaker 2: not behind bars? Right now? We wait as justice unfolds
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Speaker 2: for the Devil's mistress, Ruby Ranky, goodbye friend,