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TEEN GIRL MARLY "VANISHES," NO ONE ON PARTY BOAT "REMEMBERS" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bikini teene.
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Speaker 2: Marley vanishes from a party boat at Sex Rock in
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Speaker 2: the last hours. A gruesome discovery. But now we're hearing
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Speaker 2: nobody on the boat. At least ten people remembers what
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Speaker 2: happened to Marley. Good evening, I may see grace. This
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Speaker 2: is crime Stories. I want to thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us.
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Speaker 3: Nineteen year old Marley Kenny is spending the day on
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Speaker 3: Kentucky's Grayson Lake with friends when she jumps off a
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Speaker 3: pontoon boat but never makes it back on board. As
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Speaker 3: investigators respond, they discover the boat's captain is allegedly intoxicated
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Speaker 3: and unable to tell them where Kenny entered the water.
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Speaker 4: Hi, my name is William and the photo is the
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Speaker 4: picture of me and my sister, Marley Kenny. And if
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Speaker 4: you live anywhere near me in Kentucky, you know that
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Speaker 4: she has been missing for about three days, three to
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Speaker 4: four days now, missing on Wednesday, I believe the twenty
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Speaker 4: fourth of this month. She was going with some friends
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Speaker 4: to get on a boat on Grayson Lake and just
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Speaker 4: boat around, have a party, whatever, have fun. My sister
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Speaker 4: is nineteen years old and her friends are all over
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Speaker 4: twenty one except for one of the boys that were
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Speaker 4: on that boat. They had all gone off in the
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Speaker 4: water somewhere to use the bathroom. A few people stayed
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Speaker 4: on the boat, but around six got off to use
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Speaker 4: the bathroom, and she was one of them to get off,
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Speaker 4: and they had all gone back on and were driving away,
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Speaker 4: and they realized that Marley was.
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Speaker 1: Not on the boat.
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Speaker 4: One of the girls said, where is Marley and realized she.
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Speaker 1: Was not there.
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Speaker 2: Interesting because reports tonight are that no one remembers anything
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Speaker 2: that happened that from our friend will Lovely. Why on
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Speaker 2: TikTok that is Willow Marley's sister. How can someone disappear
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Speaker 2: from a part boat with at least ten people on
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Speaker 2: it and nobody knows what happened? Joining us an all
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Speaker 2: star panel to make sense of what we are learning
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Speaker 2: right now. But in the last hours we learn the
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Speaker 2: body of this young girl, after multiple days searching, has
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Speaker 2: been found.
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Speaker 1: Susan Hendrix joining us.
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Speaker 2: Investigative journalist, author of Down the Hill, My descend into
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Speaker 2: the double murder in Delphi. Susan, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us tonight. First of all, just tell me about
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Speaker 2: the discovery of the teen girl's body.
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Speaker 5: Yes, there had been searchers Nancy for several days using
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Speaker 5: sonar diving in that area. The bad weather kind of
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Speaker 5: hindered that a bit, but they did discover, sadly, her
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Speaker 5: body yesterday afternoon Sunday, that is around three forty five,
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Speaker 5: so five days after she was reported missing, and sadly
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Speaker 5: we heard from herci sister the worst outcome she could imagine.
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Speaker 5: But so many questions and a gap in the timeline.
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Speaker 5: But I think, to the pontoon boat, it'll go very fast.
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Speaker 5: How did this happen? And what we find answers from
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Speaker 5: the people on the boat.
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Speaker 2: A pontoon boat significant that the party boat we're talking
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Speaker 2: about was a pontoon boat. Straight out to being Dobin
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Speaker 2: joining us out of Virginia Beach Emergency Response Diving Instructor,
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Speaker 2: Police Diver, Emergency Services diver. There's a big difference in
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Speaker 2: a pontoon and a speedboat, which makes it even more
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Speaker 2: difficult for me to believe, being Dobrin, that nobody knows
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Speaker 2: what happened.
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Speaker 6: You're absolutely correct. A pontoon boat is a flat boat.
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Speaker 6: It's great on lakes, not known for their speed, just
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Speaker 6: like you said, but you can put a lot of
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Speaker 6: people on them. So if they had ten people, like
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Speaker 6: you said, you know, they get crowded. That boat would
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Speaker 6: get crowded with ten people on it. And if somebody
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Speaker 6: was standing on the bow there looks open. If you
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Speaker 6: hit the throttle, somebody could fall off. If somebody's behind,
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Speaker 6: they could fall off. But you know, after a while
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Speaker 6: you should notice that somebody is missing. Even with ten people,
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Speaker 6: you're going to see. It's not a huge area. You
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Speaker 6: would see that somebody wasn't on that boat. So it's
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Speaker 6: kind of.
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Speaker 1: Let's break it down.
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Speaker 2: This is not a cigarette boat speeding through at seventy
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Speaker 2: miles an hour a pontoon.
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Speaker 6: It's like it's a party boat. It's exactly what you said.
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Speaker 6: It's a party boat. It's designed for you to kind
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Speaker 6: of chug along at a nice speed with your friends.
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Speaker 6: Some of them were having cocktails. Obviously, that including the driver,
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Speaker 6: was having cocktails. So it's a party boat. It is
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Speaker 6: not a speed When we.
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Speaker 2: Say it like that having cocktails. They were drunk, stinking, stinking,
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Speaker 2: had a snoopful having cocktails. That brings to my some
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Speaker 2: elegant get together in Manhattan looking out over the city
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Speaker 2: having cocktails. Bs. That is not what happened. And how
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Speaker 2: can nobody notice that she's missing. That's what I don't get.
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Speaker 2: I got another question straight out to doctor Kendall Crowns
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Speaker 2: joining us renowned medical examiner out of the Fort Worth Morgua.
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Speaker 2: That's Terret County. Never a lack of business in the
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Speaker 2: Fort Worth Morgue. He is the host of a hit podcast,
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Speaker 2: Mayhem and the Morgue, and he is an esteemed lecturer
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Speaker 2: at the Burnett School of Medicine at TC. You, doctor
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Speaker 2: Kendall Crowns, her body had been in the water for days,
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Speaker 2: what kind of evidence does that destroy?
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Speaker 7: So in individuals and water, especially in the summertime, because
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Speaker 7: the water gets warmer, they begin to decompose in a
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Speaker 7: more rapid manner. So after four days she would definitely
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Speaker 7: be in a moderate to severe stage of decomposition. She's
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Speaker 7: going to have green discoloration, skin slippage, floating from decompositional gases.
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Speaker 2: Okay, slow down, slow down, all slow down.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: The rest of us are mere mortals. We're not a
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Speaker 2: stained lecturers at the Neest School of Medicine. Can you
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Speaker 2: go back and start with the word moderate. That's where
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Speaker 2: you lost us.
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Speaker 7: Okay, So, moderate stage of decomposition is when most people
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Speaker 7: think of decomposed bodies. That's the stage where they get
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Speaker 7: dark green to light green in color. The skin starts
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Speaker 7: breaking down and sliding off, and they also begin to
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Speaker 7: swell up with decomposition gases that gives you the smell
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Speaker 7: that everybody equates to decomposition. Also, during this time period,
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Speaker 7: the internal organs are decomposing as well. So the more muscular,
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Speaker 7: fibrous organs, like the heart, the prostate, the uterus, you'll
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Speaker 7: stay intact. But the more soft organs, especially ones with
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Speaker 7: digestive enzymes like the pancreas, will all start to become liquify.
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Speaker 7: The spleen liquefies, the pancreas liquefies, etc. As far as
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Speaker 7: injuries are concerned, you'll still be able to find gunshot wounds,
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Speaker 7: stab wounds. If she broke her neck, any of those
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Speaker 7: findings can be found. But the other thing that can
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Speaker 7: occur in a water depth is whatever is in the
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Speaker 7: lake too. We'll start consuming her turtles and especially catfish,
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Speaker 7: so they'll start chewing at the body, removing parts of
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Speaker 7: the skin and things of that nature. Longer the bodies
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Speaker 7: in the water, the more destruction is done by the
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Speaker 7: water creatures. Another thing that happens is there's a formation
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Speaker 7: of a waxy sea soap like substance called adiposire, and
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Speaker 7: it's caused by bacterial action that takes the fat. It
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Speaker 7: forms like this waxy cast on the body as well.
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Speaker 7: So you'll still be able to find injuries or signs
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Speaker 7: of injuries, but there'll be a lot of things distorted
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Speaker 7: by not only decomposition but also fish and turtle scavenging.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Robin Drake, joining US behavior expert, former
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Speaker 2: FBI Special agent, Let this see can Chief of the
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Speaker 2: FBI counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, Chief of the FBI
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Speaker 2: counter Intelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, author of Sizing People Up,
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Speaker 2: author of Unbreakable Alliances. You can find him at Robin
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Speaker 2: dot Drek dot com. Robin, I'm not buying what they're selling.
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Speaker 2: How can at least there's at least ten people on
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Speaker 2: the party boat. A pontoon goes what five miles an hour?
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Speaker 2: It barely goes, so they didn't notice she's missing. When
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Speaker 2: I circle back to doctor Kendall Crown's I want to
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Speaker 2: find can I still find bruises? Was her boyfriend on board?
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Speaker 2: Did somebody punch her, hit her throttle, her I don't
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Speaker 2: know because somebody is not coming clean. You cannot have
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Speaker 2: ten people on the boat and not notice she's gone.
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Speaker 2: That's bs. So if that premise is true, then air
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Speaker 2: go someone. If not more than one person is lying,
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Speaker 2: so I have to wonder why is somebody lying?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, what's really curious here? There's a lot of
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Speaker 8: things curious because we don't really know a whole lot yet,
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Speaker 8: and we're looking for wobbles.
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Speaker 6: We're looking for.
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Speaker 8: Deviations from what we normally expect in a tragic situation
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Speaker 8: like this, and to me, right now, the silence is
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Speaker 8: really deafening. We don't know what investigators have found, but
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Speaker 8: having a bunch of young people not broadcasting out what
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Speaker 8: happened on that boat is what's interesting. I'd be really
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Speaker 8: curious right now about the last people that with her
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Speaker 8: on shore, their relationships that they had with her. I'd
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Speaker 8: be going through forensics, digital forensics, looking for unhealthy relationships
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Speaker 8: and looking and seeing I can identify someone with any
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Speaker 8: anger issues, rage issues, because an organized assault on someone
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Speaker 8: is very uncommon, but it might have been something that
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Speaker 8: was more impromptu and opportunistic if it went down that
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Speaker 8: road at all. Because these things are tragic. And I
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Speaker 8: think a lot of what we don't know is also
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Speaker 8: because alcohol was the kerosena on the pit of stupid
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Speaker 8: here as always.
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Speaker 2: Robin Drake, I see a lot of inconsistent, no, not
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Speaker 2: necessarily inconsistent, conflicting words in what you just said. Number One,
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Speaker 2: young people. They're in their twenties. They're not twelve, thirteen, fifteen, seventeen,
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Speaker 2: even they're twenty, in their twenties, mid twenties, with jobs
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Speaker 2: and lives. They know better. Why is some person just
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Speaker 2: one person lyne to me and to the public. Why
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Speaker 2: I have to figure out why? Because it's never good.
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Speaker 2: A cover up means there's something to cover up. Now,
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Speaker 2: interesting you mention alcohol, don't care. Alcohol is not a
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Speaker 2: defense period. What I find really curious is when you
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Speaker 2: said organized assault is rare, bullies frenemies. How many girls
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Speaker 2: were on that boat that were jealous of her, that
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Speaker 2: didn't like her?
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that because they've all
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Speaker 2: clammed up. But what do you mean by organized assault
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Speaker 2: is rare?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, when you have a group of people, if you're
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Speaker 8: going to intentionally do harm and pre plant, it doesn't
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Speaker 8: happen with large groups of people, because if you're going
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Speaker 8: to do something like that, you want to get away
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Speaker 8: with it. And if the more witnesses you have, more
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Speaker 8: people that you have to have on board to your plan,
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Speaker 8: the more they fall apart, either before, during, and definitely after,
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Speaker 8: and that's why we'll definitely get leakage. If that was
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Speaker 8: the plan. I'm more on if this was malintent, you know,
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Speaker 8: during this, if that went sideways somehow there was going
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Speaker 8: to be some sort of fight, disagreement or there was
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Speaker 8: some like you said, frenemies or deep seated unhealthy relationship
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Speaker 8: going on there that they're going to really focus on
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Speaker 8: doing these investigation and interviews. So that's that's why I
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Speaker 8: say it like that, because an organized preemptive you know,
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Speaker 8: assault on someone is very unlikely.
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Speaker 2: Also joining us tonight doctor Bethany Marshall, renown Psycho Alys
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Speaker 2: out of the La Jurisdiction. She's the author of deal Breaker,
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Speaker 2: and you can see her now on Bravo and Peacock.
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Speaker 2: She is the star of a brand new podcast On
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Speaker 2: the Couch with Doctor Bethany Marshall. Doctor Bethany, I'm just
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Speaker 2: trying to imagine what really happened on that party boat
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Speaker 2: when this young girl went overboard and nobody noticed. I
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Speaker 2: find that compared to what Robin Drake just said, And
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Speaker 2: I'm not disagreeing with him. I'm just analyzing what he
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Speaker 2: said that when you have an organized assault on someone,
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Speaker 2: you worry about keeping it a secret. I don't think
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Speaker 2: when people commit a crime that they're worried about getting caught.
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Speaker 2: They're not thinking about the implications a day after, a
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Speaker 2: week after, a month after. I think they act in
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Speaker 2: the moment, such as girls ganging up on someone, a
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Speaker 2: guy rough housing or angry at her, pushing her over,
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Speaker 2: a group picking on her, bullying her, and then she
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Speaker 2: ends up overboard somehow, and nobody does anything. I could
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Speaker 2: see that happening. And the reason we're having to spin
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Speaker 2: out every scenario is because everyone has clammed up.
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Speaker 9: We know, Nancy, it's a large group for an organized assault.
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Speaker 9: Remember Shanquilla Robinson. She was lured down to Mexico and
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Speaker 9: then assaulted by several friends. What was interesting in that
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Speaker 9: case is there was the deafening silence that Robin Drake
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Speaker 9: just referred to. Nobody talked, nobody called the mother. There
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Speaker 9: was just everybody just went into hiding. One of the
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Speaker 9: perpetrators ran to his mother's house. So in this case,
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Speaker 9: I think we human beings, we want to talk, and
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Speaker 9: we're extraordinarily curious, and we love to solve mysteries. That's
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Speaker 9: part of the human nature. So if in truth she
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Speaker 9: went missing and absolutely nobody noticed it, those people who
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Speaker 9: are on the boat are going to start talking to
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Speaker 9: their mothers, their sisters, their schoolmates, spinning out theories. And
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Speaker 9: then those people who have theories are going to talk
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Speaker 9: to other people who have theories, and there's going to
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Speaker 9: be these huge urban myths, and as Robin Drake talked about,
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Speaker 9: a large forensic digital footprint, but there seems to be nothing.
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Speaker 9: I was following the chatter online and the only thing
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Speaker 9: I could find was some rumor that her ex boyfriend
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Speaker 9: was on the boy on the boat with a new girlfriend.
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Speaker 9: I that's an unsubstantiated rumor. But the fact that that's
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Speaker 9: all I could find tells me that everybody on that
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Speaker 9: boat is colluding in some way. What is the collusion about,
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Speaker 9: We can't know, but like you said, we have to
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Speaker 9: follow every thread. Is the collusion that everybody was on
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Speaker 9: mushrooms they don't want their parents to find out or
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Speaker 9: their employer. Is the collusion that the girls got into
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Speaker 9: a fight. Is the collusion that you know, somebody knocked
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Speaker 9: her over the boat overboard and she was unconscious and
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Speaker 9: everybody panicked and left. But I do believe there's not
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Speaker 9: an organized assault, but there is a collusion as little
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Speaker 9: less nefarious. But it is that again, that deafening silence
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Speaker 9: that Robin referred to, that makes me the most suspicious.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Sky lazarro joining US veteran criminal defense attorney.
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Speaker 2: She works in bost and federal cases with Ray Quinny
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Speaker 2: and Nevikersekuy. Thank you for being with us. Now, you
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Speaker 2: just heard doctor Bethany Marshall parse words split hairs, saying
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Speaker 2: that it could have been a group thing, but not
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Speaker 2: a collusion. Collusion doesn't take any serious period of time.
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Speaker 2: They basically have to be in the act together, either
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Speaker 2: bullying her, pushing her around. It can be one person,
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Speaker 2: two people, three people, and then suddenly she's overboard and
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Speaker 2: no one wants to rat out the other. So what
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Speaker 2: do you think about the possibility that these at least
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Speaker 2: ten people are going to assert the Fifth Amendment and
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Speaker 2: continue to clam up and not say anything.
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Speaker 10: I think at some point somebody will say something. Somebody's
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Speaker 10: attorney is going to go get them a deal or something.
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Speaker 10: And this really could have been an accident. The fact
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Speaker 10: that nobody's talking does not mean that something bad happened
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Speaker 10: or some intentional place.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it would hurt if it were truly an accident.
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Speaker 2: Don't you think they would be telling what happened. Here's
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Speaker 2: a great example in the case of Alex Murdoch. His
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Speaker 2: son Paul had been bui boting under the influence, just
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Speaker 2: really drunk. People were begging him to get away from
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Speaker 2: behind the wheel. He wouldn't do it. Instead, he crashed
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Speaker 2: into cement pylons under a bridge. I went and looked
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Speaker 2: at them myself. They're deadly looking, just huge cement chunks,
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Speaker 2: I mean really big, six to twelve feet each sticking up,
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Speaker 2: jutting up out of the water.
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Speaker 1: You can't miss him.
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Speaker 2: He ran straight into those and nineteen year old ill
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Speaker 2: re beat because flying off the boat. Well, even though
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Speaker 2: Alex Murdoch went to the hospital to speak to all
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Speaker 2: the witnesses, telling them to lay low and he would
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Speaker 2: represent them as if they had done something wrong, they
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Speaker 2: told what happened almost immediately.
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Speaker 1: That's not happening here. They're not talking.
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Speaker 2: If it had truly been an accident, don't you think
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Speaker 2: they would be saying that.
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Speaker 10: Maybe maybe not. I still think we need to know
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Speaker 10: how she died. I mean, whether it was an accident
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Speaker 10: or not, it still could be a crime. We know
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Speaker 10: the guy driving the boat was drinking. He admitted it
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Speaker 10: that part at least, So I mean there there could
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Speaker 10: There could have been an accident. She could have gotten
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Speaker 10: hit by the boat. Everybody could have panicked. I don't
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Speaker 10: I don't think it's that uncommon to see young adults
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Speaker 10: who are already doing something they shouldn't be doing, panic
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Speaker 10: in a situation where something unintentional happens.
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Speaker 2: Okay, the way you just find that out means everything
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Speaker 2: was just a big accident. If it were an accident,
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Speaker 2: somebody would be talking.
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Speaker 4: So they tried to circle back to where they thought
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Speaker 4: they last saw her, and I'd asked other boats around
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Speaker 4: if they had seen a girl, and no one has
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Speaker 4: seen her. And when they got back to around where
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Speaker 4: they thought the location was, she was nowhere to be found.
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Speaker 1: They said.
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Speaker 4: They told me that they were screaming for her, yelling
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Speaker 4: for her. They had looked for her.
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Speaker 1: There is a.
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Speaker 4: Few conflicting stories. But that I don't even care about
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Speaker 4: that right now?
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Speaker 2: That from will Lovely Why on TikTok? That is her sister.
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Speaker 2: She may not be worried Robin Drake about conflicting statements,
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Speaker 2: but I am. When I hear conflicting statements, there's a problem.
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Speaker 1: There's a lie.
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Speaker 2: Now when you have a witness add on or embellish.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't bother me.
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Speaker 2: I really blame that on the questioner because they're not
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Speaker 2: asking the right questions and getting the full story, so
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Speaker 2: the person has to add on. But when I get
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Speaker 2: a conflicting statement, somebody is lying. You can't really claim
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Speaker 2: they had a different vantage point. They're all on a
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Speaker 2: boat together. It's not that big. So why conflicting statements?
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Speaker 2: And did you catch what the sister just said. They
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Speaker 2: tried to circle back where they thought they last saw her,
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Speaker 2: which totally rules out what Skyle lazarro just said, which
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Speaker 2: was to the effect she fell off and they were
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Speaker 2: circling back and maybe they ran over her. The boat
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Speaker 2: hit her, like it's the boat's fault. No, they said
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Speaker 2: they circled back to where they thought they last saw her.
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Speaker 2: In other words, they didn't notice she was gone. That's bs.
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Speaker 2: They asked other boats had they seen the girl. Nobody
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Speaker 2: said that they had seen her. They were trying to
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Speaker 2: find her quote last location. This is not fitting together, Drake.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 8: The more we're looking at this, and especially since you know,
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Speaker 8: we keep talking about, you've got ten people that are
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Speaker 8: being silent right now. So they have a fear, and
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Speaker 8: that's what deception is. There's a fear of sharing truth.
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Speaker 8: There's a fear in sharing your agenda. And when you
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Speaker 8: have collective ten people fearing to share that and intersparsed
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Speaker 8: with conflicting reports, that is interesting and troubling, especially when
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Speaker 8: the only person talking is one not on the boat,
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Speaker 8: the sister. So she seems completely free to talk, and
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Speaker 8: so it's not like law enforcement came in and said,
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Speaker 8: don't share anything, because she apparently feels free to share. Yeah,
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Speaker 8: I'm definitely definitely skeptical about why they're not sharing. There's
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Speaker 8: something hidden right there. Now. Whether it's nefarious or not,
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Speaker 8: we don't know yet because investigators will find that out.
21:54
Speaker 8: But there's definitely something hidden that they don't feel safe
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Speaker 8: and sharing.
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Speaker 4: This is a photo from the day of I know
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Speaker 4: it says twenty twenty five, just to clarify, my sister
22:04
Speaker 4: does not know how to change the dates on a camera,
22:06
Speaker 4: and her camera was only set in the wrong day,
22:08
Speaker 4: so it says twenty twenty five in December, which you
22:11
Speaker 4: also can tell that it is not December or the
22:13
Speaker 4: background of this, so it's definitely the wrong date. And
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Speaker 4: she had just got this camera and that was the
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Speaker 4: exact swimsuit that she was wearing that day, and that
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Speaker 4: is one of the girls she has gone with. Just
22:22
Speaker 4: to clarify that the date is wrong, the times on
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Speaker 4: it are correct, though this one was around two something PM.
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Speaker 11: So here's the individual would at some point on a
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Speaker 11: ontoon boat and then later throughout that day was it
22:36
Speaker 11: was it was identified that they were not on they
22:39
Speaker 11: were no longer on the boat.
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Speaker 1: No offense bit.
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Speaker 2: Lieutenant Chrismal Holland with the Fish and Wildlife Division just
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Speaker 2: said a whole lot of nothing. That's my friends at
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Speaker 2: wsa Z And earlier again from the sister Willow at
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Speaker 2: will Lovely, why TikTok okay?
22:54
Speaker 1: Did you hear what he just said?
22:56
Speaker 2: Ben Dobrin being Dobron with me out of Virginia Beach
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Speaker 2: Emergency response diving in structure.
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Speaker 1: And a lot more. Listen to this.
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Speaker 2: It appears the individual was at some point on a
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Speaker 2: pontoon boat, and then later throughout that day it was
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Speaker 2: identified that they were not on it, no longer on
23:18
Speaker 2: the boat.
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Speaker 1: What is he saying? It's it's just a word, Salad.
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Speaker 6: I agree with you. He's not saying anything. Basically, Yes,
23:26
Speaker 6: she was on the boat at one point and then
23:27
Speaker 6: she wasn't on the boat at another point. What transpired
23:30
Speaker 6: between those two points he's not saying. And I don't
23:33
Speaker 6: know at this point if anybody knows what transpired between
23:36
Speaker 6: those Yes, we know she was on the boat. We
23:37
Speaker 6: saw pictures of her on the boat. Everybody greads she
23:39
Speaker 6: was on the boat. And then obviously she wasn't on
23:41
Speaker 6: the boat anymore and her body was discovered four days later.
23:44
Speaker 6: So what happened between being on the boat and those
23:47
Speaker 6: four days later when they found her body. That's obviously
23:49
Speaker 6: the big question right now.
23:51
Speaker 2: Susan Hendricks joining US investigative journalist and author of Down
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Speaker 2: the Hill. Susan, I wonder why this area is named
24:01
Speaker 2: Sex Rock. That's a whole other can of worms. But
24:05
Speaker 2: did you hear Mulholland maybe he's giving me your word salad,
24:10
Speaker 2: because that's all he's been given. Did you hear Let
24:15
Speaker 2: let's hear that one more time. Plase, this is Lieutenant
24:17
Speaker 2: Chris Mulholland from Fish and Wildlife.
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Speaker 11: Here's the individual would at some point on a hantoon
24:24
Speaker 11: boat and then later throughout that day was it was
24:28
Speaker 11: it was identified that they were not on they were
24:30
Speaker 11: no longer on the boat.
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Speaker 2: Susan, I'm not necessarily blaming Mulholland. That's my friends at WSAZ.
24:36
Speaker 2: By the way, that may be all they have gotten
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Speaker 2: out of the witnesses. So he's ambushed probably in that
24:44
Speaker 2: parking lot. It looked like a boat ramp area.
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Speaker 1: What do you know? What do you know?
24:49
Speaker 2: And that's all he knows because that's all they're telling him.
24:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, it seems like a formal way, Nancy of saying
24:57
Speaker 5: I don't know, and clearly the answers will from those
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Speaker 5: on the boat. According to Marley's sister Willow, everyone on
25:05
Speaker 5: that boat was over twenty one except one other boy
25:08
Speaker 5: under the age of twenty one. But she did say this,
25:11
Speaker 5: It stood out to me there was a female teacher
25:13
Speaker 5: on that boat, and she wasn't quite sure. She said
25:16
Speaker 5: either in her thirties or forties. Was there a ringleader
25:19
Speaker 5: there who's bringing the story together, is what I'm wondering.
25:22
Speaker 5: And did the authority separate them and get various stories
25:27
Speaker 5: or are they just home right now? Because you're right
25:30
Speaker 5: that age they're online. We would hear from someone to say, hey,
25:34
Speaker 5: I was on that boat, I'm so sad we didn't
25:37
Speaker 5: notice she was gone, or what have you. But they
25:39
Speaker 5: would be online if they weren't all just keeping the
25:43
Speaker 5: story to themselves.
25:45
Speaker 2: Just as an aside to Susan Hendrick's investigative journalist, Susan,
25:48
Speaker 2: why is it called sex Rock?
25:54
Speaker 5: Well, I don't advise googling it, because I did, and
25:56
Speaker 5: what I found was it's only known of that name
25:59
Speaker 5: to locals, and I think it's self explanatory that kids
26:04
Speaker 5: go up there, and maybe there's a hidden part speculation,
26:08
Speaker 5: But I tried to find it only known by locals
26:10
Speaker 5: is that name? But if you look at the rock,
26:13
Speaker 5: it looks like a phallic symbol. Maybe speculation on the rock.
26:19
Speaker 5: I don't know the origin of who started that, but
26:23
Speaker 5: apparently it's called that.
26:26
Speaker 2: Back to you, Robin Drake, you recall when now we
26:31
Speaker 2: Halloway went missing. She was taken by Gorn van der
26:35
Speaker 2: Slout and the Calpo brothers. And when her friends there
26:39
Speaker 2: at Carlos and Charlis were asked, they said, yes, we
26:42
Speaker 2: were there with her and she left without us. They
26:47
Speaker 2: knew exactly what happened here. Nobody will state exactly what happened.
26:54
Speaker 2: And you heard Susan Hendricks just state there was a
26:58
Speaker 2: female tea sure on the pontoon. Why isn't she coming
27:05
Speaker 2: forward and stating what happened.
27:07
Speaker 8: Yeah, Susan's insight on that was really interesting to me.
27:10
Speaker 8: I actually wrote it down right there too, because that
27:12
Speaker 8: would start explaining, if true, why there's a hidden agenda,
27:16
Speaker 8: why someone's fearing sharing what There may be a ringleader
27:19
Speaker 8: in here, and again it couldn't be. It doesn't necessarily
27:22
Speaker 8: mean that they all assaulted her and did something nefarious too,
27:26
Speaker 8: the poor girl that died. But maybe she fearing for
27:29
Speaker 8: her job. In other words, like we said before, there's
27:31
Speaker 8: a hidden agenda that people don't feel safe sharing. And
27:35
Speaker 8: for some reason, if the teachers involved, she might be
27:37
Speaker 8: the ringleader in keeping everyone silent because maybe she fears
27:40
Speaker 8: for a job or maybe she organ who knows, But
27:42
Speaker 8: there's a lot of lot of areas that need.
27:44
Speaker 6: To be explored investigatively, no doubt.
27:47
Speaker 8: And I think there'll be a digital footprint and digital
27:50
Speaker 8: trail on this at some point, at least I.
27:52
Speaker 2: Hold on, Hold on, Robin Drake, that's really important. Explain
27:59
Speaker 2: how valuable a digital trail would be.
28:04
Speaker 1: Exactly what are you talking about?
28:06
Speaker 8: Yeah, Well, part of the investigation is they're going to
28:09
Speaker 8: get subpenis and they're going to go through everyone's cell phones.
28:12
Speaker 8: They're going to be looking at text messaging, they're going
28:14
Speaker 8: to be looking at all the social media sites that
28:17
Speaker 8: all these people are on, and they're going to start
28:18
Speaker 8: seeing and identifying relationships and most most importantly, they're going
28:22
Speaker 8: to start identifying unhealthy relationships. They're going to start identifying
28:25
Speaker 8: priorities of all these people, hidden priorities and agendas that
28:28
Speaker 8: they may or may not have. And then when you
28:30
Speaker 8: start getting at least one degree of separation away from
28:32
Speaker 8: individual themselves, you're going to start getting some real truth
28:35
Speaker 8: going on behind what's going on in these people's lives.
28:37
Speaker 8: And so that says an investigator, it's what creates your
28:39
Speaker 8: filters and where to focus on and right now, if true,
28:43
Speaker 8: the teacher at the forefront of this if there's a
28:45
Speaker 8: teacher on board, they're going to be looking at her,
28:48
Speaker 8: especially if there's a position of authority or implied authority
28:51
Speaker 8: that she might have control. And so again they'll be
28:53
Speaker 8: able to identify that either verbally through the interviews or
28:56
Speaker 8: through the forensics on the digitals.
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Speaker 2: Sky Lazarro, the driver of the boat, has been charged
29:04
Speaker 2: with b UI boating under the influence. He was breathalyzed
29:10
Speaker 2: at about point zero eight Cameron Conley, but sky Lazarro,
29:15
Speaker 2: a death occurred during the commission of his BI. Is
29:22
Speaker 2: he set up for felony murder charges?
29:27
Speaker 10: I think there is a strong potential for that, if
29:29
Speaker 10: not some sort of negligent homicide or something along those lines,
29:34
Speaker 10: depending on what state you're in and how they prosecute these.
29:37
Speaker 10: But he certainly wouldn't be the first person who was
29:40
Speaker 10: charged criminally for something that was an accident. And I
29:45
Speaker 10: know we've disagreed on this, but you know, even best
29:49
Speaker 10: case scenario, this really was an accident, he still could
29:52
Speaker 10: be criminally liable just because of the fact that he
29:55
Speaker 10: was under the influence when he was operating that boat.
29:58
Speaker 2: Susan Hendrix, tell me what you know, if anything regarding
30:01
Speaker 2: as an adult female teacher on board. Did the teacher
30:07
Speaker 2: have a husband? Did the teacher have an adult boyfriend?
30:11
Speaker 2: Who is this group right?
30:14
Speaker 5: It does seem a little strange to me, and I'm
30:16
Speaker 5: wondering Robin may know this. The more people on the boat,
30:20
Speaker 5: does that make it so that if she is missing,
30:25
Speaker 5: it's less obvious. I'm trying to fill in the blanks here.
30:28
Speaker 5: All I know is it was a teacher. Immediately I
30:31
Speaker 5: thought male, But as I listened more to Willow, she
30:34
Speaker 5: said no, female. But it was not fear to her.
30:37
Speaker 5: She said thirties forties. Maybe when you're that young you
30:40
Speaker 5: think that. I don't know, they're just older. So that
30:43
Speaker 5: teacher was on board, she said. She also said this
30:45
Speaker 5: that her sister Marley didn't know the lake that well.
30:48
Speaker 5: So I wondered how often was she out there? Was
30:51
Speaker 5: she invited? Because she also mentioned coworkers on that boat.
30:55
Speaker 5: What is the relationship to marleye?
30:58
Speaker 2: White white, white, white white who had coworkers on the boat.
31:03
Speaker 5: According to Willow, it was coworkers of Marley's. She worked
31:07
Speaker 5: at a restaurant smoking Jay Ribbs, an ice house you
31:11
Speaker 5: see here in this TikTok. So I'm wondering was she
31:15
Speaker 5: excited to be invited? Were they all really just acquaintances?
31:19
Speaker 5: All you need? I'm thinking back to when I was
31:21
Speaker 5: at age, is one close friend to say, hey, wait
31:23
Speaker 5: a minute, we're leaving without my friend. It appears no
31:25
Speaker 5: one said that.
31:26
Speaker 2: Nobody said a word back to you, doctor Bethany Marshall.
31:30
Speaker 2: An adult.
31:32
Speaker 1: Of course.
31:32
Speaker 2: They're all adults, right, most of them. You've got a
31:37
Speaker 2: twenty three year old boat driver and operator of the boat.
31:41
Speaker 2: You've got a female teacher. Did she have a boyfriend
31:44
Speaker 2: or husband with her? You've got coworkers. Nobody said anything.
31:52
Speaker 2: How do I know some of the girls didn't gang
31:55
Speaker 2: up on her, push her overboard as a joke. How
31:59
Speaker 2: do I know she didn't have a spat with a
32:01
Speaker 2: guy and he hit her or pushed her. Nobody's talking,
32:06
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 9: Why nobody's talking and people want to talk, Nancy. Essentially,
32:14
Speaker 9: we human beings are caring, loving, and we value our
32:18
Speaker 9: attachment systems. So when somebody disappears or go overboard, that's
32:22
Speaker 9: all we can think about. That's all we want to
32:25
Speaker 9: talk about to our families, our friends, anyone who will
32:28
Speaker 9: hear and listen, And in this case, nobody is talking.
32:32
Speaker 9: It is so strange my theory about the teacher, Nancy.
32:37
Speaker 9: Good teachers are authoritative in a positive and beneficial way.
32:44
Speaker 9: In other words, if somebody went missing, the teacher would
32:47
Speaker 9: organize the group, go back to shore, call the authorities,
32:51
Speaker 9: and make sure everybody's okay. But why did a teacher
32:54
Speaker 9: not step forward? Why did she not step into the
32:57
Speaker 9: gap and say, hey, guys, kids, we need to do
33:00
Speaker 9: something about this. Nancy, you and I have probably been
33:03
Speaker 9: Sunday school teachers, camp counselors. Even if there's an age
33:08
Speaker 9: gap of a few years, the person who's a little
33:12
Speaker 9: bit older wants to take charge of the situation. And
33:16
Speaker 9: this teacher did not do that.
33:18
Speaker 12: After she went voting with her friends, got off to
33:21
Speaker 12: use the restroom, either in the lake or on the
33:24
Speaker 12: side by where there's some rural area, or we don't
33:29
Speaker 12: know where she went to go to the bathroom, because
33:32
Speaker 12: then the people on the boat her friends did not
33:34
Speaker 12: see her or report her missing until four pm. So
33:39
Speaker 12: what happened to Marley when she left all of her
33:41
Speaker 12: belongings on the boat, Because her sister in a post
33:45
Speaker 12: did say that they checked her life three sixty, but
33:49
Speaker 12: all of her belongings, her phone and everything were left
33:52
Speaker 12: on the boat. So this beautiful and nineteen year old
33:55
Speaker 12: girl goes to the bathroom and vanishes. So what happened
34:01
Speaker 12: between seeing Marley on this cliff and her going missing
34:07
Speaker 12: and nobody on the boat having any idea what happened?
34:12
Speaker 2: That is the Marissa Gold on TikTok and she's absolutely correct.
34:16
Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crown's joining us are now a medical examiner
34:19
Speaker 2: of Terrant County and Star of Mayhem. In the Morgue podcast,
34:25
Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall crowns, would bruises still be apparent on her
34:31
Speaker 2: body after that many days? And why didn't her body
34:36
Speaker 2: float to the surface.
34:40
Speaker 7: So often when someone drowns that they lose all the
34:44
Speaker 7: oxygen from their body and they inhale water, and that
34:47
Speaker 7: water coming in then makes them less buoyant and they
34:51
Speaker 7: kind of sink to the bottom of the river, lake
34:55
Speaker 7: or whatever they're in, and they don't usually bob back
34:58
Speaker 7: up until the dec composition process has been going on
35:02
Speaker 7: long enough that the body swells from the decomposition gases
35:06
Speaker 7: and then they float to the surface like a bobber.
35:10
Speaker 7: As far as bruises are concerned, yes, you would still
35:14
Speaker 7: be able to see bruising. It is often obscured by
35:19
Speaker 7: the decomposition process, the greenish discoloration, the liviidity can make
35:24
Speaker 7: it look like there are bruises that aren't bruises, or
35:28
Speaker 7: it can make bruises themselves not look normally. And usually
35:33
Speaker 7: what you do is you cut into these areas while
35:35
Speaker 7: you're doing the autopsy and look for hemorrhage in the
35:39
Speaker 7: fat or the subcutaneous tissue to show that it was
35:43
Speaker 7: actually a bruise. So you can still find them, it
35:46
Speaker 7: just takes a little more effort.
35:48
Speaker 12: Her sister did check her life three point sixty and
35:51
Speaker 12: it was confirmed that her phone and her belongings were
35:55
Speaker 12: left on that boat when she got off to use
35:58
Speaker 12: the restroom. It's also a just beted fact of where
36:02
Speaker 12: she or how she went to the bathroom. Did she
36:05
Speaker 12: jump off the boat and used the restroom in the
36:07
Speaker 12: water or did she get off and use it on
36:10
Speaker 12: a side of one of.
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Speaker 9: The rural areas.
36:12
Speaker 12: So that would be a big difference.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I got a big problem now. That is from
36:17
Speaker 2: the Mursy gold on TikTok. Robin Drake, behavior expert, former
36:21
Speaker 2: Special Agent Chief of the FBI Counterintelligence behavioral analysis program
36:27
Speaker 2: and author. Now we don't know whether she jumped off
36:32
Speaker 2: the boat to urinate in the water or whether they
36:35
Speaker 2: dropped her off at the shore at an inlet.
36:39
Speaker 1: That's bad.
36:41
Speaker 2: That's a bigger lie that we can't even get the
36:44
Speaker 2: answer to that simple, that simple query.
36:49
Speaker 8: Yeah, the revelations of older adults being on this boat
36:55
Speaker 8: and there being silence is becoming more and more concerning
36:58
Speaker 8: as I'm listening to this, because to me, it rings
37:01
Speaker 8: a ringleader, like you said earlier, and that's why we're
37:05
Speaker 8: not having any leakage right now. But I'm pretty confident though,
37:09
Speaker 8: when people don't like being silence, you know, as a
37:12
Speaker 8: good doctor was saying earlier, we want to share. We
37:15
Speaker 8: want to rationalize our behavior. We want to be accepted.
37:18
Speaker 8: We want to be seen and heard for our thoughts
37:21
Speaker 8: opinions in what happened in tragic situations like this, and
37:24
Speaker 8: if someone gave us instructions, even in a short term
37:28
Speaker 8: where there's an assumed authority position like a position of
37:31
Speaker 8: a teacher, that's going to erode extremely rapidly over the
37:35
Speaker 8: coming days because they're going to feel disenfranchised, they're going
37:37
Speaker 8: to feel like they weren't heard they're going to feel
37:39
Speaker 8: like the truth isn't out there because the likelihood of
37:42
Speaker 8: everyone conspiring together, as we've all said before, against her,
37:46
Speaker 8: is slim to none. That's why I think we're going
37:48
Speaker 8: to start getting some more accurate details about what actually
37:52
Speaker 8: came out.
37:54
Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the
37:58
Speaker 2: disappearance and now the discovery of the body of this
38:02
Speaker 2: young girl, please dial six zero six ninety two eight
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Speaker 2: sixty four two one six zero six nine two eight sixty.
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Speaker 1: Four two one.
38:11
Speaker 2: We remember an American Hero Officer Joey Vincent, Greenville, p D, Kentucky,
38:17
Speaker 2: just thirty years old, shot in the line of duty
38:21
Speaker 2: after serving eight years, leaving behind his little girl, Brooklyn.
38:27
Speaker 2: American Hero Officer Joey Vincent. Thank you to our guests,
38:31
Speaker 2: but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy
38:34
Speaker 2: Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night,
38:36
Speaker 2: and until then, good night, friend,