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The Late Debate - 31 July · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with Liz
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Speaker 1: Storer and kayleb Bond coming up a childcare worker in
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Speaker 1: trouble for drinking Gatorade on the job. Turns out it
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Speaker 1: wasn't gatorade plus. When we look at the papers, Chinese
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Speaker 1: swimmers test positive for performance enhancing drugs and then blame
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Speaker 1: Australian beef plus the Labor Party unveil their plans for
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Speaker 1: bridging the gap between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians. All
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Speaker 1: of that when we get to the papers a little
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Speaker 1: later on. But the Olympic Games officials have defended two
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Speaker 1: biological men competing in women's boxing events, and you won't
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Speaker 1: believe they're rationale.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: Iman Khaliff from Algeria and Lynn U Ting from Taiwan
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Speaker 1: were banned from international competition after recent medical tests confirmed
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Speaker 1: they had x Y chromosomes.
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Speaker 2: In other words, they were biological men.
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Speaker 1: But the IOC has allowed them to compete in Paris
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Speaker 1: as women regardless, and listen to their reasoning. This is
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Speaker 1: the IOC spokesman Mark Adams, and he told journalists, I quote,
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Speaker 1: everyone competing in the women's category is complying with the
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Speaker 1: eligibility criteria.
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Speaker 2: To stop right there for a second.
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Speaker 1: That gives you a clue that something is wrong, because
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Speaker 1: what he should say is everyone competing in the women's
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Speaker 1: category is a woman. But no, no, no, there's an
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Speaker 1: eligibility criteria. Now listen to the criteria. He says they
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Speaker 1: are women in their passports, and it's stated that is
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Speaker 1: the case, and they are female. So there's the IOC's argument.
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Speaker 1: It says that they're women in their passports, therefore they
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Speaker 1: are women.
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Speaker 2: Now we all know.
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Speaker 1: There's an obvious problem with that, and that is that
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Speaker 1: legal documents are no longer credible for determining gender. We
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Speaker 1: spoke just last night about the fact that in Queensland,
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Speaker 1: for instance, you can adjust your birth certificate even without
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Speaker 1: undergoing any medical procedures. If you identify as a woman
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Speaker 1: and live as a woman for the specified period of time,
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Speaker 1: then the birth records are adjusted to.
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Speaker 2: Say that you are a woman.
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Speaker 1: And then if anyone sort of complains that maybe you're not,
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Speaker 1: you simply point to the birth records, which you yourself
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Speaker 1: adjusted just.
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Speaker 2: Five minutes ago.
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Speaker 1: So, Calvin Livez, here's my issue with this. If I
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Speaker 1: were to go to the IOC, crude example, but go
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Speaker 1: with me for a second.
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Speaker 2: And I wanted to buy.
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Speaker 1: Front row seats at a major event or worth five
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars, And I handed Mark Adams a fifty dollar
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Speaker 1: note and he said, well, I'm sorry, that's not enough
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Speaker 1: you need. And I got at my biro and I
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Speaker 1: just added another zero and said, no, no, it's five hundred.
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Speaker 2: Would he agree that was reasonable?
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Speaker 1: Because it's a lot easier to adjust the agreed value
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Speaker 1: of a piece of paper than it is to adjust biological,
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Speaker 1: immutable sex, is it not?
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Speaker 3: Well, I just hope that that does become law, that
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Speaker 3: I can, with a pen add another zero onto my
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Speaker 3: fifty dollar note and make it a five hundred dollar note.
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Speaker 3: I'd be all on board with that. Why don't worry
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Speaker 3: about that. I mean, this is a bizarre case because
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Speaker 3: these two boxes, as far as we can tell, have
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Speaker 3: never outwardly identified as men or lived as men. So
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Speaker 3: it seems as though they've lived their whole lives as
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Speaker 3: though they were women. Now, look, I haven't looked between
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Speaker 3: their legs, but I'm assuming that they have, you know,
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Speaker 3: lady bits down there. But when they went to compete
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Speaker 3: at the World Championships last year, they were given DNA
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Speaker 3: tests to confirm that they were who they said they were,
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Speaker 3: and they came back with high levels of testosterone and
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Speaker 3: x Y chromosomes, which of course indicates some level of
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Speaker 3: biological maleness about them. Now, they may never zones tend
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Speaker 3: to be filmed, they may never have known that about themselves,
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Speaker 3: but that's what turned up in the DNA tests, and
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Speaker 3: so at that point there's no argument to keep competing.
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Speaker 3: I mean, surely we all have to understand that there
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Speaker 3: are certain things we can and cannot do in life
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Speaker 3: based on the physical attributes that we are born with.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, some of us come out with
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Speaker 3: the half a foot or something, right, and that means
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Speaker 3: that you can't be part of the military. Now, you
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Speaker 3: might grow up thinking, well, I really wanted to be
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Speaker 3: part of the military, but you're never going to be
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Speaker 3: accepted into the military because they say, well, you've got
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Speaker 3: a physical disability and that discounts you from being part
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Speaker 3: of the military. That's just how life goes. It was
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Speaker 3: quite funny I heard Chris o'keeff on two GB today
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Speaker 3: saying that he really wished he could be a victorious
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Speaker 3: secret model. But of course, as a burly man He's
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Speaker 3: never going to be able to do that. That's just
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Speaker 3: the reality of life. So if the DNA test comes
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Speaker 3: back and says, sorry, you're a bloke, you can't compete anymore.
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Speaker 3: And I get that that might be devastating that you
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Speaker 3: can't compete, but that's just how it goes. We had
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Speaker 3: to accept there are some things in life we can't do,
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Speaker 3: and competing as a boxer, particularly a boxer when you've
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Speaker 3: got high levels of testosterone and you're saying you're a woman,
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Speaker 3: is just something you can't do.
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Speaker 1: I've got to say to Chris o'keef just to encourage
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Speaker 1: him stas he could probably be in a bikini on
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Speaker 1: the front paper.
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Speaker 2: That's a good point and he'd be fine. I would
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Speaker 2: go with that, Liz.
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Speaker 4: And this this is affecting everyone's scores, right. So two
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Speaker 4: of these people are boxes, males versus women competing as women.
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Speaker 4: Two of them are on the Zambian football team and
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Speaker 4: our Matilda's went to play with them. One of them
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Speaker 4: scored two goals. Do you call them goals? Okay, goals?
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Speaker 4: And again you have to ask yourself, were you not
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Speaker 4: a biological male, would you have scored twice against our girls.
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Speaker 1: It's even worse to that because the other biological males
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Speaker 1: scored a hat trick, which is three goals.
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Speaker 4: Liz, I was getting to that, please continuing up to that,
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Speaker 4: but thanks.
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Speaker 2: For stilling said how little you knew about soccer?
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Speaker 4: Trying to help you out for a minute there. My
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Speaker 4: brain was like, it is a goal. Clearly I don't
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Speaker 4: watch that much soccer. I'm sorry to.
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Speaker 3: Europeans are writing now, Liz, socer is its football.
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Speaker 4: Soccer, soccer get out, and so you have to go,
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Speaker 4: how fair is this? Luckily the materialdas did get across
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Speaker 4: the line six ' five, but how fair is this
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Speaker 4: when that many of your goals came from the biological
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Speaker 4: men on the Zambian team. And when we're talking about
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Speaker 4: boxing as well, we're talking about a very real threat
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Speaker 4: to women's well being in the ring. What woman, even
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Speaker 4: if she is the best of the best, stands a
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Speaker 4: chance against a male opponent. Boxing great Jeff Fennick has
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Speaker 4: called this out is called the IOC utterly disgraceful. Direct
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Speaker 4: quote from him is what has this world come to? Listen?
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Speaker 4: I'm all for women's boxing, but do people understand the
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Speaker 4: damage that can be done if men fight women. Put
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Speaker 4: Mike Tyson in the ring with a female heavyweight and
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Speaker 4: she will end up not just concussed, but with brain damage.
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Speaker 4: Can you believe that? Here we are in a society
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Speaker 4: where male violence against women has never been more of
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Speaker 4: a talking point. DV has never been more of a target,
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Speaker 4: or the government funding that goes into combating this, etc.
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Speaker 4: And we've just made a spectator sport. Basically, if we've
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Speaker 4: got when we talk about the Olympics, we are talking
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Speaker 4: about the upper echelons of any sport. We are talking
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Speaker 4: about the international stage. And these guys have folded. They've said, look,
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Speaker 4: as long as it's what it says on your passport,
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Speaker 4: then that's what you are. Meanwhile, we've got Queensland whose
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Speaker 4: laws have just come into effect. Over the last month,
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Speaker 4: over two hundred people have changed their biological sex on
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Speaker 4: their birth certificates, etc. Is this where we're going now?
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Speaker 4: If you can just get it on paper, the rest
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Speaker 4: of the world is expected to say, Okay, then that's
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Speaker 4: what you are, even when we know it's creating an
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Speaker 4: impossibly unlevel plane.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is the sort of weird place that feminism
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Speaker 3: centered up in, right, like the first wave was, we
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Speaker 3: don't need men. Then the second wave was we are
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Speaker 3: the same as men, we're equal to men, and then
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Speaker 3: the third wave seems to have turned out as men
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Speaker 3: come and be women with the rest of us right, Like,
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Speaker 3: not bizarre, it's utterly bizarre that it's turned from a
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Speaker 3: movement that was sort of anti men in many ways
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Speaker 3: that is now openly inviting men to come into their spaces,
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Speaker 3: come into their sports, come into their bathrooms and their
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Speaker 3: toilets and whatever, and say, well, as long as you
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Speaker 3: say you're a woman, then that's fine. And as I
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Speaker 3: pointed out last night, the research into boxing in particular
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Speaker 3: has shown that someone who has gone through male puberty
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Speaker 3: has punching power one hundred and sixty three times sor
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Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty three times dred and sixty three
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Speaker 3: percent slightly different more powerful than that of someone who's
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Speaker 3: gone through female puberty. We're not just talking about, oh,
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Speaker 3: you know, we're playing golf and perhaps a bloke can
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Speaker 3: punted another twenty yards down the road. We're talking about
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Speaker 3: serious punching power there. So you put them, as Jeffinik
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Speaker 3: points out, put a biological man in the ring with
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Speaker 3: a biological woman. What do you think is going to happen.
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Speaker 4: They know what's going to happen, and that is why
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Speaker 4: it is just completely unforgivable. They know, they know what
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Speaker 4: the outcome is going to be. They have sanctioned this,
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Speaker 4: and I don't know what's going to happen in the ring,
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Speaker 4: but it's on their heads.
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Speaker 1: The problem, as we talked about last night, is they
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Speaker 1: can't back away from this because as soon as you
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Speaker 1: start saying there are certain sports in which transgendered women
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Speaker 1: cannot compete, then now you're making distinctions which their ideology
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Speaker 1: does not allow them to make. Trans women are women,
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Speaker 1: trans women are women. Repeat it verbatim as if it
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Speaker 1: makes sense. Once you've adopted that mentality, that there's no
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Speaker 1: shade of gray and.
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Speaker 2: There's no room for nuance. But I watched some of.
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Speaker 1: The footage of that fight between Iman Khaliff and one
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Speaker 1: of the women that this person was fighting against, and
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Speaker 1: it was pretty brutal. Khaliff was getting in some big
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Speaker 1: hits and won it very easily, and I was wincing
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Speaker 1: as I.
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Speaker 3: Was, well, yeah, yeah, I know. Look, I have to say,
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Speaker 3: though my passport, much along the lines of your five
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Speaker 3: hundred dollar notes, says I'm the Prime Minister of Australia,
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Speaker 3: and that's that I'm taking over the joint now now.
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Speaker 3: And if I were the Prime Minister of Australia, there's
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Speaker 3: one bloke I'd be having a word with and saying, look,
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Speaker 3: do you know what you're talking about here? And that's
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Speaker 3: the new vice chancellor of the Western Sydney University. Now.
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Speaker 3: He's only ascended to the role in the last week
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Speaker 3: or so and he's made it his first order of
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Speaker 3: business to complain about the cost of degrees, particularly arts degrees.
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Speaker 3: He says, something that really burns at me is the
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Speaker 3: fact that we're about to have fifty thousand dollars degrees
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Speaker 3: for art students. Arts to degrees are often the degree
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Speaker 3: of choice for low socioeconomic status students, for Indigenous people
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Speaker 3: and for women. They are rightfully fearful of having a
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Speaker 3: debt until death because they are unable to ever properly
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Speaker 3: repay it. George Williams is his name. Now. There was
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Speaker 3: a change that was made by the Morrison government whereby
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Speaker 3: they moved the funding that is given to certain university
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Speaker 3: degrees to send it the things they thought people should
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Speaker 3: be studying, i e. Nursing. They now get a lot
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Speaker 3: more government funding than say, arts degrees, which means you,
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Speaker 3: as the student, if you go and study an arts degree,
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Speaker 3: have to pick up more of the tab to that,
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Speaker 3: I say, fair enough. But I also say to mister Williams,
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Speaker 3: if you're worried about the cost of a degree, now
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Speaker 3: look the strange idea. But you're the vice chancellor, you're
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Speaker 3: the boss of the university. Don't you have some say
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Speaker 3: in the cost of that degree? Could you not find
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Speaker 3: efficiencies somewhere so that that degree was cheaper? Of course,
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Speaker 3: you're not going to do that because you want the money.
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Speaker 3: What you're really saying is it's not about the cost
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Speaker 3: of the degree. It's about the debt that the student
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Speaker 3: is incurring. And you would prefer more people to come
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Speaker 3: and study at your university, but you don't want them
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Speaker 3: to have to pay for it. So who's going to
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Speaker 3: pay for it? I am you at home are Because
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Speaker 3: what he's actually asking for is more government subsidy for
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Speaker 3: the degree, not for the cost of the degree to
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Speaker 3: go down. Why can't the universities knock their heads together
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Speaker 3: and reduce the cost of the degree without going cap
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Speaker 3: in hand of the government begging them to hand over
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Speaker 3: more money.
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Speaker 1: You've got the government subsidy, you've got the fee component.
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Speaker 1: They want more government subsidy when they could just reduce
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Speaker 1: the fee component. Correct, And the vice chancellor, and God
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Speaker 1: bless him, good luck to him. But last year at
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Speaker 1: that university, the vice chancellor's wage was just a touch
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Speaker 1: over a million dollars. To be saying all these poor students,
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've got to pay fifty grand for an
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Speaker 1: arts degree. Who can help them when the vice chancellor
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Speaker 1: is sitting on a million. And I'm not saying he
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Speaker 1: doesn't deserve it. I'm just saying the contrast is quite stuck.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, and I had to laugh at his quote because
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Speaker 4: by saying that an arts degree isn't worth fifty grandy,
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Speaker 4: you've just basically embitted. These things are bloody useless. Let's
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Speaker 4: not forget. We have one of the fairest systems in
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Speaker 4: the world when it comes to help debt. When it
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Speaker 4: comes to he's debt, and the students only start repaying
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Speaker 4: that debt once they have reached the threshold, once they
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Speaker 4: are earning enough. Then the government says, okay, time to
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Speaker 4: pay up, and they take it incrementally each year and
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Speaker 4: hopefully over those years you start earning more. So to
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Speaker 4: say that someone's degree is going to be so useless
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Speaker 4: to them and fetch them so little money you know
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Speaker 4: in the future career that fifty grands, say, over the
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Speaker 4: course of seven years, is going to be too much
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Speaker 4: for them to be able to carve out. You've just
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Speaker 4: admitted these degrees are useless. You are not setting your
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Speaker 4: students up for careers or any kind of job in
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Speaker 4: which they can earn enough to pay the rent, pay food,
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Speaker 4: have some sort of quality of life and pay off
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Speaker 4: the degree that got them to where wherever they are
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Speaker 4: at the time. And let's not forget these are the
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Speaker 4: same unis who, firstly where their biggest funds are already
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Speaker 4: by virtue of the government, we the taxpayer, are already
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Speaker 4: fitting the bill for our universities like nothing else. That's
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Speaker 4: their main source of funding, the government i e. Us
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Speaker 4: the taxpayer. And how do they repay us? How do
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Speaker 4: they repay us? We have seven hundred and thirty thousand
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Speaker 4: university students in this country as I speak, who are
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Speaker 4: all internationals, and the UNIS will give them placements over
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Speaker 4: Australian students who have just as good a grades, but
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Speaker 4: the internationals pay up front and almost four times as much.
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Speaker 4: So the universities go stuff you, ouzzi students. Your grades
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Speaker 4: are just as good, but your money's not. We're going
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Speaker 4: to give these guys the placements while we're the taxpayer
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Speaker 4: fund these same universities that dumb their noses at Ozzie's
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Speaker 4: and then want to pretend, oh, we care so much government,
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Speaker 4: can you give us some more because these useless degrees
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Speaker 4: you know that we keep giving to everyone, they're not
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Speaker 4: going to be able to repay fifty grand I mean,
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Speaker 4: it's it's utterly nonsense.
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Speaker 1: And they so want the money from these international students.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I mean you said seven hundred thousand.
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Speaker 4: Or more, seven hundred and thirty thousand.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one in thirty people in this country is an
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Speaker 1: international student. It's quite incredible, it is orally do they
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Speaker 1: want these international students. They want them and their money
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Speaker 1: so bad they're dishing out degrees though most of these
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Speaker 1: students can barely speak a word of English and have
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Speaker 1: hardly understood their lectures, according to whistleblowers who've spoken to
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Speaker 1: the Guardian. Now a number of anonymous lecturers and students
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Speaker 1: have spoken of their.
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Speaker 2: Experiences have listened to this.
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Speaker 1: This is from an arts subject tutor who told the
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Speaker 1: Media organization about international students. Most can't speak, write, or
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Speaker 1: understand basic English. They use translators or text capture to
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Speaker 1: translate the lectures and tutorials, translation aids to read the literature,
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Speaker 1: and chat GPT to generate ideas. Goes on to say
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Speaker 1: it's mind blowing that you can walk away with a
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Speaker 1: master's degree in a variety of subjects without being able
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Speaker 1: to understand a sentence. Now, it went on to talk
16:39
Speaker 1: about a former lecturer at Flinders University who reckon that
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Speaker 1: fifty percent of students in his tutorials had quote obvious
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Speaker 1: language difficulties.
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Speaker 2: He said he frequently failed.
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Speaker 1: International students because there were high suspicions they had used
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Speaker 1: AI to write their assignments. But then when those international
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Speaker 1: students appear yield, they were invariably passed. Now, I should
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Speaker 1: point out Flinda's University denied those claims, but it just
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Speaker 1: goes to the point that Liz was saying. Universities are
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Speaker 1: so hungry for money, and there were numerous people that
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Speaker 1: gave their account of what's happening in our Sandstone universities
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Speaker 1: that you've got international students who can barely speak English,
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Speaker 1: clearly aren't understanding what's being said in lectures, and yet
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Speaker 1: are getting master's degree.
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Speaker 3: And that's the biggest problem with Australian universities now is
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Speaker 3: that they have simply turned into cash cars. And I've
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Speaker 3: been saying it for years and I still maintained the
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Speaker 3: worst thing that ever happened to the tertiary education system
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Speaker 3: in this country was when the Gillard government uncapped enrollments,
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Speaker 3: because it opened the floodgates for every man and his
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Speaker 3: dog to go to university, including children, or some of
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Speaker 3: them were children, but some of them are over eighteen
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Speaker 3: as well, but kids who really shouldn't be there. They
17:51
Speaker 3: should be doing apprenticeships or other jobs because they simply
17:54
Speaker 3: don't have the academic aptitude. But they are forced through
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Speaker 3: the sausage machine at school to believe that they must
18:01
Speaker 3: go to university because if they don't go to university,
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Speaker 3: they are somehow subhuman and they're not as good as
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Speaker 3: the rest of their classmates, so that you've got to
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Speaker 3: do that. So they go off and get a degree
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Speaker 3: that's not of any use to them whatsoever. And they
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Speaker 3: come out the other side and they can't get a
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Speaker 3: job because they're not terribly interested in what they study
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Speaker 3: or and I think the number is something like half
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Speaker 3: of students who enrolled don't actually end up finishing their degree.
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Speaker 3: But the university doesn't mind that as long as they
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Speaker 3: can make it through a year, because once they've made
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Speaker 3: it through a year, the university gets the government funding.
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Speaker 3: That's all the university cares about. If we keep them
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Speaker 3: enrolled long enough for us to get the money out
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Speaker 3: of the government, then it's all hunky dory. That is
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Speaker 3: what has happened to the tertiary education system. Instead of
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Speaker 3: it being a place of academic excellence, that is, training
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Speaker 3: people to go out and be the next generation of
18:53
Speaker 3: workers and thinkers, etc. They are just completely money hungry.
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Speaker 3: And without the federal government stepping in and intervening and
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Speaker 3: saying we've got to get back to basics here, universities
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Speaker 3: are not there to generate cash. They're there for the
19:07
Speaker 3: betterment of the country. And by the way, we the
19:11
Speaker 3: government pulled the purse strings, so you're going to do
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Speaker 3: what we damn will tell you. That's what they need
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Speaker 3: to be told. And I'll even suggest bold idea that
19:22
Speaker 3: we go back to pre Whitlam University situation, which was
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Speaker 3: and everyone credits Whitlam with having given everyone free university,
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Speaker 3: which is true to some degree. But before Whitlam, under Mensis,
19:37
Speaker 3: you had Commonwealth scholarships which were essentially free university by
19:41
Speaker 3: any other name, except they were just given to people
19:44
Speaker 3: who had academic aptitude, whereas Whitlam just said, well all
19:48
Speaker 3: comers can have it. Why don't we go back to
19:50
Speaker 3: Commonwealth scholarships and encourage people who have genuine academic aptitude
19:56
Speaker 3: to get into university and then say, all you other
19:59
Speaker 3: people who don't need to be here because you're studying
20:01
Speaker 3: arts degrees and whatever else that's of no use to society.
20:04
Speaker 3: Bagger off and go and get a job I can.
20:06
Speaker 3: We'd be much better off.
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Speaker 4: Take up a trade. You will be far more useful
20:10
Speaker 4: to society. And hey, no hextet whatsoever. Let's go to
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Speaker 4: South Australia now, where a new campaign has launched. It's
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Speaker 4: called your reference Ain't Relevant. This campaign seeks to ensure
20:25
Speaker 4: legislative change. That change would mean that people who are
20:30
Speaker 4: going to court accused of child sex abuse will not
20:35
Speaker 4: be able to use character references.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 4: This campaign launched in New South Wales just last year
20:42
Speaker 4: and there's now a review underway, so it's already gotten
20:46
Speaker 4: Some Traction Act also has a review underway into the
20:51
Speaker 4: same now they're targeting in South Australia. This campaign is
20:55
Speaker 4: headed up by Harrison James, who himself is a survivor
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Speaker 4: of child's abuse. Here's a good quote from him. He says,
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Speaker 4: for me, this work, this is my justice, This is
21:06
Speaker 4: my form of justice. This is me regaining what I
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Speaker 4: lost for all those years and turning that pain into
21:12
Speaker 4: a genuine purpose. The thing that keeps me going is
21:16
Speaker 4: the thought that survivors will benefit from our campaign, and
21:19
Speaker 4: survivors will gain a sense of faith when they pursue
21:22
Speaker 4: the justice system as well. We all know that these
21:25
Speaker 4: cases are notoriously hard to prosecute, and something that this
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Speaker 4: campaign raises is when someone has had the bravery that
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Speaker 4: it takes to pursue a case like this and go
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Speaker 4: to court, do they really have to sit through character
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Speaker 4: references talking about what a wonderful person their alleged perpetrator is.
21:48
Speaker 4: We all know that a great many evil people are
21:51
Speaker 4: actually quite charming. It's not hard for them to have
21:55
Speaker 4: other people in their lives who will vouch for their
21:58
Speaker 4: character because they've never known that person to do anything
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Speaker 4: wrong at all. I'm reminded of the infamous Ted Bundy
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Speaker 4: when he was accused of his heinous crimes. Everyone in
22:09
Speaker 4: his community couldn't believe it. His church, community, his workplace,
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Speaker 4: none of them believed it because they thought he was
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Speaker 4: a peach. They thought he was a wonderful guy. There
22:20
Speaker 4: had to be a mistake here, and so it just
22:25
Speaker 4: seems to me like a very common sense measure that
22:29
Speaker 4: these sadly previous people who have had to bear this
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Speaker 4: grave injustice, that they would go after this and to
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Speaker 4: see such a change happen. I would hope that it's
22:42
Speaker 4: kind of a no brainer for every state.
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Speaker 3: Well, you'd have to think so, right. This is Harrison
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Speaker 3: James and Jared Griis is also involved in the campaign,
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Speaker 3: speaking about it when they kicked it off in New
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Speaker 3: South Wales last year.
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Speaker 5: Child sexual abuses, by definition of their crimes, do not
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Speaker 5: have a good character. They are predatory by instinct, and
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Speaker 5: grooming of their victims' families, friends, schools, churches and communities
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Speaker 5: is part of their standard method. Their so called good
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Speaker 5: character cannot be separated from the evil they perpetrate. On
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Speaker 5: the most vulnerable victims of all children.
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Speaker 6: Yet our law says that the good character and lack
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Speaker 6: of previous convictions of a convicted child sexual abuser on
23:24
Speaker 6: matters of relevance and mitigating factors that are to be
23:27
Speaker 6: taken into account on sentencing. Often their sentences include no
23:31
Speaker 6: prison time at all, largely because the sentencing judges find
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Speaker 6: that they, apart from sexually abusing a child, but otherwise
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Speaker 6: of good character.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how brave are these to blokes? And they
23:44
Speaker 3: put it so succinctly there Why this is important? I mean,
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Speaker 3: if you have been convicted of a child sexual offense
23:53
Speaker 3: and you're now facing sentencing, I mean, what does it
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Speaker 3: matter if you were a member of the lines club
23:58
Speaker 3: for twenty years, or you served on the local PNC
24:01
Speaker 3: at the school, or you were the president of the
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Speaker 3: cricket club. It doesn't matter. When you have been a
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Speaker 3: child abuser and has been proven in a court of
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Speaker 3: law that you were a child abuser, the rest of
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Speaker 3: it goes out the window. You are now scum of
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Speaker 3: the earth. Why should a judge be taking into account
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Speaker 3: that someone else thinks you're a good guy? And by
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Speaker 3: the way, who I don't understand why you would write
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Speaker 3: a character reference for someone once you know that they
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Speaker 3: are a child abuser, like even if they are your
24:32
Speaker 3: closest friend in life. And I get that, it's really
24:36
Speaker 3: difficult to come to grips with that. I mean, god forbid,
24:39
Speaker 3: it's your own father or mother or whatever, right and
24:42
Speaker 3: as a child, you're trying to grapple with the idea
24:45
Speaker 3: that this person you've loved your whole life is actually
24:48
Speaker 3: a bad person. But it's one thing to have that
24:52
Speaker 3: cognitive dissonance going on in your mind. It's another to
24:55
Speaker 3: put pen to paper and go into a courtroom and say, actually,
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Speaker 3: despite this person having abused a child, I think they're
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Speaker 3: a good person and they should be given a more
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Speaker 3: lenient sentence.
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Speaker 1: And as was explained in the video, for a victim
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Speaker 1: to sit there and hear that this person, aside from
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Speaker 1: the fact they sexually abused you, is an otherwise standing
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Speaker 1: sizon is just salt to the wound. By the way,
25:18
Speaker 1: if this story is distressing or raises issues for you,
25:22
Speaker 1: Lifeline are a wonderful place of support. We've got a
25:25
Speaker 1: number on the bottom of the screen you can call
25:27
Speaker 1: and speak to someone there if that would be of help.
25:31
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Israel for a moment, because they've had
25:33
Speaker 1: a pretty good week taking out two gold medals, or
25:36
Speaker 1: should I say two terrorists. The military commander of Hezbillah
25:41
Speaker 1: and the political leader of Hamas both assassinated in separate attacks,
25:46
Speaker 1: one in Beirut and one in Tehran in the last
25:49
Speaker 1: forty eight hours. The leader of Hamas, or at least
25:53
Speaker 1: the political leader, here's some vision of him on October seven.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe it?
25:58
Speaker 1: He's watching the rist attack take place and then stops
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Speaker 1: to pray and give thanks to Allah for the death
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Speaker 1: of Jews.
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Speaker 2: Love love, Well, he just got his just desserts.
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Speaker 1: He was in Tehran for the inauguration of Iran's new president,
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Speaker 1: and he was there with leaders of other terrorist organizations
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Speaker 1: and just hours before he was killed by what's believed
26:43
Speaker 1: to be in Israel strike. He was in a meeting for,
26:47
Speaker 1: as I said, the inauguration of the new president, where
26:49
Speaker 1: they're all shouting death to Israel. Have a look, as
27:06
Speaker 1: I said, jokes on him. Just hours later, death to Israel.
27:09
Speaker 1: It was an Israeli bomb. We believe that ended his life.
27:12
Speaker 1: As well as that. There was the Hezbala commander who
27:16
Speaker 1: it's believed organized the bomb that struck a soccer field,
27:19
Speaker 1: killing twelve children just the other day. But he's been
27:22
Speaker 1: wanted by not just Israeli officials but the US since
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three, when he was responsible for the death
27:29
Speaker 1: of three hundred French and American soldiers in a bomb
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Speaker 1: in Beirut. There was a five million dollar bounty on
27:35
Speaker 1: his head. He's now been assassinated as well Israel, making
27:39
Speaker 1: the point it doesn't matter where you go or where
27:41
Speaker 1: you hide, they can get to you, which should be
27:43
Speaker 1: a warning to all terrorists. Peter Dutton, the opposition leader,
27:46
Speaker 1: is in Israel at the moment. Here's what he told
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Speaker 1: Shari Markson earlier this evening.
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Speaker 7: We know that Hamas is a terrorist organization. We know
27:55
Speaker 7: that they were responsible for the brutal slaughter literally all
27:59
Speaker 7: over Longereriod of time, thousands of people, and we know
28:03
Speaker 7: that with the mastermind behind the October seven atrocities. So
28:08
Speaker 7: like we know with al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations,
28:12
Speaker 7: they pose a threat to our way of life. They
28:14
Speaker 7: certainly pose an existential threat to the Israeli people, and
28:19
Speaker 7: you would expect the Israelis to take action, particularly given
28:23
Speaker 7: the slaughter that took place on October seven.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Caleb, good day for Israel.
28:28
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, they've gained a couple of scalps.
28:30
Speaker 3: It's by no means the they are they are big South,
28:33
Speaker 3: but it's by no means the end of the war,
28:35
Speaker 3: right And for every person who gets knocked out of Hamas,
28:38
Speaker 3: they've got another one who comes and fits the bill basically.
28:41
Speaker 3: And of course this fellow lived over in Qatar. It
28:43
Speaker 3: didn't live anywhere near near Gaza, so you know, it
28:48
Speaker 3: sort of sort of tells you where he was at.
28:51
Speaker 3: And of course a lot of the criticism of Israel
28:54
Speaker 3: has been that they have engaged in wholesale bombing in
28:57
Speaker 3: Gaza and that has led to a large depth hole
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Speaker 3: for civilians, and that that their attacks should be somewhat
29:03
Speaker 3: more targeted. And these attacks are, of course somewhat more targeted.
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Speaker 3: The danger though, of course, is that it may lead
29:09
Speaker 3: to escalation of the war. And of course it happened
29:12
Speaker 3: in Iran, and we know that Iran, through its funding
29:16
Speaker 3: of outfits like Hisbollah and the Hooties and Hamas, etc.
29:21
Speaker 3: Is willing for war against Israel. So whether or not
29:24
Speaker 3: this opens the door to further danger remains to be seen.
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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, it's on one hand, was
29:30
Speaker 3: it the right thing to do, Yes, of course it
29:33
Speaker 3: was the right thing to do. Should they have done
29:35
Speaker 3: it right now? I don't know. It may be inflammatory
29:39
Speaker 3: at this particular point in time.
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Speaker 4: I think we've gone past the fear of escalation, and
29:44
Speaker 4: let's not forget. In the last few days, the West,
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Speaker 4: namely America, has been begging NETANYAHUO, please do not escalate
29:52
Speaker 4: this war. Please do not escalate this war. And that's
29:55
Speaker 4: exactly what we've seen with them bombing Beirutes. You bombed
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Speaker 4: the capital of Lebanon. I mean previously they had also
30:03
Speaker 4: bombed be Route to take out another Hamas leader in January,
30:07
Speaker 4: but before that they hadn't bombed bay routes since the
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Speaker 4: thirty four Day War of two thousand and six, So there.
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Speaker 3: Was relative.
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Speaker 4: Best as you could, peace in that particular area, and
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Speaker 4: that has now been ruined. Of course, HESBLA has now
30:26
Speaker 4: just said you've bombed Lebanon's capital, this is our turf.
30:31
Speaker 4: We are going to exact revenge. Iran has said the
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Speaker 4: same because of this leader who's now been taken out.
30:38
Speaker 4: Both of them just within hours of each other. And
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Speaker 4: this is exactly the escalation that I was talking about
30:44
Speaker 4: last week when we heard Netnya who address Congress that
30:49
Speaker 4: instead of this war wrapping up, you are escalating this.
30:54
Speaker 4: And Netnya, who appears to be and has been for
30:57
Speaker 4: quite some time now, leveragingtober seven to create a larger
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Speaker 4: conflict in the area, to create a regional war, and
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Speaker 4: with America begging him not to do this, I agree, Caleb,
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Speaker 4: this is not the best timing. Nobody is saying we
31:14
Speaker 4: don't want these guys dead. We want them dead. But
31:19
Speaker 4: the way that they've gone about this, I fear is
31:22
Speaker 4: just going to get what I suspect is Netnyahu's wish,
31:26
Speaker 4: and that is a more regional war. And let's not
31:30
Speaker 4: forget America is not in a good way at the moment.
31:33
Speaker 4: They're thirty five trillion dollars in debt, they're still in Iraq,
31:37
Speaker 4: they're still in Syria, They've sent one hundred and seventy
31:41
Speaker 4: five billion dollars to Ukraine. We do not need another
31:45
Speaker 4: all out war. And this concerns us here in Australia because,
31:49
Speaker 4: of course, any a war that America gets involved in
31:53
Speaker 4: with boots on the ground or sending money there. We
31:56
Speaker 4: are to Australia. We've done it countless times before, and
31:59
Speaker 4: we would out let's be doing it again. We don't
32:02
Speaker 4: want to be dragged into World War three. I said
32:04
Speaker 4: it last week. These stipulations that Netnya, who made to
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Speaker 4: Congress as to when and why he would end this war,
32:14
Speaker 4: were completely unrealistic. Complete demilitarization, complete deradicalization. You have just
32:21
Speaker 4: radicalized generations by killing forty thousand people in Gaza. They
32:26
Speaker 4: will not forget, they will not forgive, And eradicating Hamas
32:30
Speaker 4: is in fact impossible because it is an ideology. So
32:34
Speaker 4: for everyone that you take out, and for every single
32:38
Speaker 4: woman and child, and there's twenty five thousand of them
32:42
Speaker 4: no longer alive in Gaza, you have created probably about
32:46
Speaker 4: one hundred Jihadis per head who want to exact revenge
32:50
Speaker 4: on that death.
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Speaker 3: But I suppose is Israel than expected to be the
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Speaker 3: bigger man.
32:55
Speaker 4: So so man twelve twelve hundred versus forty, they have
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Speaker 4: their retribution. You're not eradicated, but it is decer sure.
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Speaker 3: But his attacks Golan Heights and then in response Israel
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Speaker 3: attacks Hezbala. So is Israel expected to not retaliate. I
33:16
Speaker 3: guess is the problem here, and I know that.
33:18
Speaker 4: Raelis they weren't even Israelis. I fear that excuses are
33:24
Speaker 4: being made to heighten. Like I said last week in Congress,
33:29
Speaker 4: Netnyahu made it very clear what he wanted. We're not
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Speaker 4: scaling back, We're not ending this. Here are completely unrealistic
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Speaker 4: terms in order for me to end it. He wants
33:39
Speaker 4: to go back to the prior to two thousand and
33:42
Speaker 4: six status quo in Gaza. Nobody will ever agree to them.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot to unpack this. There's two things. I
33:48
Speaker 2: take exception two. One.
33:49
Speaker 1: I take exception to this the assertion that Israel escalating
33:53
Speaker 1: things by going after those who attack them in the
33:56
Speaker 1: first place. Whenever Israel defend themselves, then israeli accused of
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Speaker 1: escalating things.
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Speaker 2: Her mus are escalating things by.
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Speaker 1: Continuing to hold more than one hundred civilians hostage. Has
34:06
Speaker 1: for are escalating things by lobbing hundreds of missiles every
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Speaker 1: day into northern Israel and have done ever since October seven,
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Speaker 1: and say they'll continue to do so. He must escalate
34:18
Speaker 1: things by having in their charter that they will not
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Speaker 1: stop until Israel is destroyed. And as for radicalizing a
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Speaker 1: new generation Harmas teach that the Jews must be destroyed.
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Speaker 2: They teach it in their schools.
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Nett and Yao who Benjamin Netan Yahoo is radicalizing
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Speaker 1: nobody her must have radicalized Palestinians. They are responsible. And
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Speaker 1: to set the home sheet home, the blame to Israel.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing it of Israel.
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Speaker 1: You would never expect of any other nation on earth,
34:50
Speaker 1: Every sovereign.
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Speaker 6: Nation not.
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Speaker 4: Put words in my mouth. I did not simply saying
34:56
Speaker 4: this is escalating. The West has begged Israel not to
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Speaker 4: do this, and that is precisely what they've done.
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Speaker 3: I don't think there is There is simply no.
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Speaker 4: End in sight. If this is going to keep up,
35:08
Speaker 4: hesbelarender now fight Israel. Well, now we've got to fight
35:15
Speaker 4: back with even stronger power. There is no end in sight.
35:19
Speaker 4: If it's just going to be.
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Speaker 1: The world demands that her Maus surrender, their leaders, give
35:24
Speaker 1: up the hostages and relinquished power. That's the end of this,
35:27
Speaker 1: and that could happen if the world agreed. That should happen.
35:30
Speaker 1: But the world keeps equivocating between terrorists and Israel and
35:34
Speaker 1: has zero moral clarity and that's why this continues.
35:37
Speaker 4: Everyone in Gaza supports Hermas. Everyone in Gaza supports herm
35:42
Speaker 4: us so to say that, oh, we will not stop
35:46
Speaker 4: until they're completely eradicated. That means you're never stopping. That
35:50
Speaker 4: means we're looking at World War III with Iran.
35:55
Speaker 1: You can't live with your next door neighbors committed to
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Speaker 1: your destruction.
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Speaker 4: They have lived with their next or name.
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Speaker 2: Twelve hundreds are now dead in one.
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Speaker 4: Day, forty thousand palace days since the forty thousands on
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Speaker 4: Israel are now dead. At what point can you not
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Speaker 4: go okay, this, this has got to stop.
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Speaker 3: The reality is that war never ends in that region.
36:21
Speaker 3: It never in It won't for as long as there
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Speaker 3: are Islam's terrorists under traue.
36:26
Speaker 4: Will never add relative peace in the Middle East. Until
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Speaker 4: two over seven we had relative they always swap bombs.
36:36
Speaker 4: Would laugh like that.
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Speaker 1: They wouldn't say, well, it's only a few bombs being
36:40
Speaker 1: loved over Asia relative.
36:42
Speaker 4: They Israel will not stop this assault until everyone who
36:48
Speaker 4: hates Israel is eradicated.
36:51
Speaker 3: That's far too.
36:52
Speaker 1: Many hates is to a looser word, everyone who demands
36:55
Speaker 1: the destruction of Israel is eradicated.
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Speaker 2: They have every right to do that.
36:59
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, so we should just defend carpet bomb Iran
37:03
Speaker 4: carpet bomb, not carpet bomb. You just said until everyone
37:07
Speaker 4: who isn't committed to Israel's destruction, until they're.
37:11
Speaker 2: All determined to destroy a mass as they should be.
37:14
Speaker 4: That is far too many people that you're talking about.
37:17
Speaker 1: So you just live with terrorists to continue to terrorize
37:20
Speaker 1: your people, and you just say we wouldn't do it.
37:23
Speaker 4: In Australia has said we will stop when Israel stops.
37:26
Speaker 4: The fuities have said.
37:29
Speaker 3: Stop, they won't stop. I don't think either of those
37:32
Speaker 3: two situations are particularly born out in reality. I mean,
37:36
Speaker 3: you can't carpet bomb the whole joint, but nor can
37:39
Speaker 3: you expect Israel to just pack up stumps.
37:41
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that, I'm simply saying you can
37:44
Speaker 4: never eradicate her Maas. Okay, that is a furfey. They
37:47
Speaker 4: have decimated them, they have not eradicated them. And if
37:51
Speaker 4: the end is only in sight once they're completely eradicated,
37:55
Speaker 4: then the end will never be in sight. It is
37:57
Speaker 4: time to wrap this up. Want to perpetuate this Just
38:03
Speaker 4: incredible bloodshed, and the most of which are innocents.
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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes in the let debate we get so
38:09
Speaker 2: called up in the argument. The producers in areas say
38:11
Speaker 2: that's enough. That's enough.
38:12
Speaker 1: You've got to go to an ad break. So we're
38:14
Speaker 1: going to go to an ad break. We'll be back
38:15
Speaker 1: in a moment.
38:19
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
38:20
Speaker 1: Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. Liz,
38:23
Speaker 1: you've got the career mail.
38:26
Speaker 3: Would you believe it?
38:27
Speaker 4: Australia we are standing accused of doping two Chinese swimmers
38:31
Speaker 4: who were reefed from the Beijing Olympics, and apparently it
38:36
Speaker 4: was all our fault.
38:37
Speaker 3: Check this out.
38:38
Speaker 4: It's on the front page of the Advertiser, It's on
38:40
Speaker 4: the front page of the Daily Telly, and it's on
38:43
Speaker 4: the front page of the Courier. Male China's bizarre drugs
38:47
Speaker 4: beef with ossies playing silly burgers. The Courier mail reads,
38:52
Speaker 4: the Paris Olympics swim meet has exploded with a doping
38:56
Speaker 4: scandal after revelations two members of the Chinese team had
38:59
Speaker 4: been overturned by claiming their positive tests were the result
39:04
Speaker 4: of the pair eating a lunch of contaminated Australian burger meat,
39:09
Speaker 4: fries and a soft drink the pair, including relay swimmer
39:14
Speaker 4: Tang Mouhann, tested positive to the same steroids. Arnold Schwarzenegger
39:20
Speaker 4: used to beef himself up and now it's all our fault.
39:26
Speaker 4: What on earth, what is in our burgers? God, we're
39:31
Speaker 4: hoping Chinese swimmers they must think.
39:34
Speaker 3: We came down in the last shower. Seriously, and this
39:37
Speaker 3: is not the first time that China has been able
39:41
Speaker 3: to get away with blue murder when it comes to
39:45
Speaker 3: doping and how it's been treated by WADA, the World
39:48
Speaker 3: Anti Doping authority. Remember the story I think it was
39:52
Speaker 3: earlier this year of twenty three again swimmers, Chinese swimmers
39:57
Speaker 3: who were tested by CHINADA, which is the Chinese antidoping
40:01
Speaker 3: agency back in twenty twenty one, and they were found
40:05
Speaker 3: to test positive to trima tazardine. I don't know what
40:08
Speaker 3: trima tazadine actually does, but twenty three of them tested positive.
40:13
Speaker 3: But then Chinadas said, oh, it was contamination, and then
40:17
Speaker 3: they just handed those findings over to WADA, and WADA said,
40:21
Speaker 3: you butte buddy, all good. Twenty three of them tested positive,
40:25
Speaker 3: and then the Chinese Antidoping Agency, which of course you know,
40:29
Speaker 3: in a communist, corrupt country, like China. They would never
40:33
Speaker 3: diddle their stuff like that, would they. They tell Wada
40:36
Speaker 3: it's all good, and Wada says it's okay. These people
40:39
Speaker 3: get their ban overturned because they said their maccas burger
40:42
Speaker 3: was tainted.
40:44
Speaker 2: Seriously that There's two problems I have with this story.
40:46
Speaker 1: One is what sort of elite athletes are munching on maccas?
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Speaker 3: What the heck there are to be honest, it's going
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Speaker 3: to be better than a lot of what else you
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Speaker 3: get in China.
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Speaker 1: Here's my other problem with this story, and this is
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Speaker 1: the one that's personal for me, that they ate McDonald's
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Speaker 1: burgers and therefore consumed steroids that are the same that
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Speaker 1: helped Arnold Schwarzenegger developed body masks.
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Speaker 2: I've been eating macas for years. What's gone wrong? Nothing,
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Speaker 2: no results at all? Does so annoyed by this?
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Speaker 4: Get your money back? Get your money back, or maybe
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Speaker 4: we put something a little special in the ones that
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Speaker 4: we send to Beijing.
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Speaker 3: I just I don't get it, because Australian meat isn't
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Speaker 3: doped up with all that stuff anyway. And the fact
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Speaker 3: that Wada actually accepted it, Sure you can have your
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Speaker 3: ban over to and oh you just had a bit
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Speaker 3: of cheeky macas. I mean, by Evan's sake, if they
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Speaker 3: ever put a breath Eliza on the front of this building,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a lot of trouble getting in here.
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Speaker 3: But I'm just going to say because it's I smooched
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Speaker 3: someone beforehand who had been drinking, and then it's all
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Speaker 3: fine to me. I got doped.
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Speaker 1: Remember we talked about a Japanese athlete who was sacked
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Speaker 1: from the team because she was fond of smoking.
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Speaker 3: She had a cigarette, which was nine Chinese athletes eat
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Speaker 3: macas and dope and they're allowed to compete. And japan says,
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Speaker 3: if you have a cigarette and a drink when you're underage,
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Speaker 3: you can't even compare. This incredible, isn't it. Let's go
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Speaker 3: to the Australian where it says tomorrow urgent plea to
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Speaker 3: close the political gap. Interesting story this one. Labor will
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Speaker 3: seek a new bipartisan approach to closing the gap between
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal Australians and the rest of the country. Is bureaucrats
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Speaker 3: tightening grip on Indigenous policy making is blamed for a
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Speaker 3: calamitous backslide in suicide and incarceration rates. Now This is
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Speaker 3: Malandari McCarthy, who's taken over from Linda Bernie as the
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Speaker 3: new Indigenous Affairs Minister, is making her first order of
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Speaker 3: business to go over to the opposition and say, well,
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Speaker 3: can we come up with some shared policies here to
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Speaker 3: deal with closing the gap after the great debacle of
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Speaker 3: the Voice. You can hardly blame them for going to
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Speaker 3: try and come up with some by part policy because
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Speaker 3: it didn't really work for them last time. Going out
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Speaker 3: on a limb.
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Speaker 2: Do you know how the sharing is going to go?
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Speaker 1: So label will share their policy ideas, let me demonstrate
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Speaker 1: it's a blank page, and then they'll take this into
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Speaker 1: prices policy ideas which are quite extensive, as published in
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Speaker 1: the Australian magazine recently, some really good policies. So I
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Speaker 1: think this is pretty smart. I mean, we all want
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Speaker 1: to see bipartisanship. Wouldn't it be great if everybody just agreed,
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Speaker 1: let's do this do it well?
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Speaker 2: But you have to, I mean, Lizia.
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Speaker 4: And this is an issue where there should be a
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Speaker 4: bipartisan approach. We all knew that obviously the Voice wasn't bipartisan,
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Speaker 4: but that was because it didn't promise there was no
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Speaker 4: proof that it would result in an increased quality in
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Speaker 4: life for any Indigenous Australians, whereas and neither do many
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Speaker 4: of them on a state level either the cultural heritage laws,
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Speaker 4: et cetera, and so on. It's not like Indigenous Australians
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Speaker 4: are like, oh, thank you so much. Our incarceration rates,
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Speaker 4: our suicide rates have plummeted, Thanks so much for that.
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Speaker 4: If we can just get together and focus on the basics,
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Speaker 4: the DV in certain Indigenous communities, the child sex abuse
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Speaker 4: in certain Indigenous communities, how can we not make the
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Speaker 4: main things the main things for five minutes or just
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Speaker 4: long enough to exact change, especially when the taxpayer is
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Speaker 4: funneling over forty billion dollars every year into Indigenous communities.
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Speaker 4: Where are the KPIs? Why are none of them being achieved?
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Speaker 4: We've been hacking away at this for decades. So I'm
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Speaker 4: actually all four of bipartisan approach. If it's going to
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Speaker 4: get us any real time results that we can point
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Speaker 4: to and say, yes, we've done the right thing by.
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Speaker 3: These guys, wouldn't that be good?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 3: I was going to go through some other stories on
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Speaker 3: the front of the ODS, but there's actually a much
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Speaker 3: better story on the front of the Newcastle Herald, which
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Speaker 3: I believe you have in your hot little hands.
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Speaker 1: Let's speak of sports. This is the big sports story
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Speaker 1: of the day. The Newcastle Herald headline reads speed Wobble.
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Speaker 1: I's believed to have been found dumped in a skip
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Speaker 1: In has given the condition of the new Newcastle Beach
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Speaker 1: skate Park the worst possible rating on the eve of
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Speaker 1: the projects completion, citing dozens of cases of concrete chipping
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Speaker 1: and cracking and signs of corrosion. Now this was quite
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Speaker 1: a controversial skate park because it was built right on
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Speaker 1: the beach and the council had been worn that it's
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Speaker 1: going to be all sorts of maintenance issues being right
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Speaker 1: on the beach. It took longer to build than the
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Speaker 1: first stage of the John Hunter Hospital and cost twenty
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Speaker 1: million dollars.
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Speaker 2: There are more than fifty cases.
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Speaker 1: Of concrete cracking, chipping, and so I don't think we're
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Speaker 1: going to have any Olympic skateboarders coming from Newcastle if
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Speaker 1: that is a sort of facility that they'd be better
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Speaker 1: off going to Macas and the counter we're to go
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Speaker 1: to a break, we'd stick around until be back in
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Speaker 1: just a moment. Well, there's a number of workplaces where
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Speaker 1: you just shouldn't drink alcohol, but a childcare center is
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Speaker 1: probably one of the ones where you really shouldn't put
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Speaker 1: a childcare work in New Zealand has been disciplined charged
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Speaker 1: with serious misconduct after she poured vodka into a Gatorade
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Speaker 1: bottle and drank that while on the job. Look at
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Speaker 1: that headline childcare worker disguised vodka as gatorade tribunal fines.
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Speaker 1: It goes on to say staff described to her demeanor
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Speaker 1: at a staff meeting later that day.
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Speaker 2: As very over the top.
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Speaker 1: The tribuna was told she was uncharacteristically happy, greeted other
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Speaker 1: teachers in an overly friendly manner, slurred her words, was unfocused, disruptive, confused,
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Speaker 1: and sipped alcohol during the meetings. Liz and Caleb, can
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Speaker 1: you believe this?
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Speaker 3: I didn't see what the problem is. I mean, how
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Speaker 3: the hell I work at ten o'clock at night? You know,
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Speaker 3: how do you expect me to get through all of
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Speaker 3: this with add a little bit of vodka in my
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Speaker 3: Gatorade bottle? I think that's quite fair.
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Speaker 2: Just explained so much of your commentary on this program.
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Speaker 3: Caleb indeed, it explains why it's so good, because it
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Speaker 3: just loosens me up and gets me going.
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Speaker 4: So, what's in your mug every night? Nobody?
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Speaker 3: Actually, you do not mean to give away the trade secrets. Goodness,
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Speaker 3: I can.
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Speaker 4: Smell it on his brain. I'm going to have.
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Speaker 3: Management on my back. Oh, for goodness sake.
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Speaker 2: Just quickly, can I tell you my favorite part of
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Speaker 2: this story?
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Speaker 1: The article says, towards the end of the meeting, a
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Speaker 1: person realized she was drunk and tip the alcohol down
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Speaker 1: the drain. And then it adds this and put the
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Speaker 1: bottle in a recycling bit.
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Speaker 4: Saving the kids and saving the planet in one. But
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Speaker 4: before we go tonight, you've got to check out this image.
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Speaker 4: It has gone viral of a surfer called Gabriel from Brazil.
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Speaker 4: He has scored the highest score ever in any surfing
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Speaker 4: Olympic competition. Check out this photo. One wonders how these
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Speaker 4: guys even survive. He is just flying there. I don't
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Speaker 4: know if any of you have caught any of the surfing,
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Speaker 4: but it is truly death defying what these guys are doing.
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Speaker 4: Interhediot moment. I'm just watch and I'm clenching everything, just going,
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Speaker 4: are you gonna survive?
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Speaker 2: Is it worth it?
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Speaker 1: I thought you're about to say, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: any of you guys have ever caught a wave. I'm thinking,
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Speaker 1: look at us, do we look like I'm caught away?
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Speaker 4: You haven't eaten enough or the burger pat.
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Speaker 1: You've got a nine point nine for the surf, But
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Speaker 1: the photographers who got a ten out of ten for that.
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Speaker 3: Fat well one hundred percent. And I'll tell you what,
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Speaker 3: if I were out there catching that wave, I'd need
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Speaker 3: a bit of my gatorade afterwards to calm down. I
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Speaker 3: heard one of the surfers saying the other day that
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Speaker 3: that was like the most dangerous position he'd ever been
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Speaker 3: in in his life. But I have to say, after
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Speaker 3: watching some of the skateboarding, which was awful, by the way,
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Speaker 3: there's no skills whatsoever. These are the true athletes out
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Speaker 3: there ripping it up on the waves.
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Speaker 2: That's from us. Stick around, Recha Petey show is coming
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Speaker 2: up in just a moment.