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Female softball coach lures teen girls to MURDER! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a thirty one
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  Speaker 1: year a loving dad end up dad off a dirt road?
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? So how does it happen?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Corin Rose at ABC
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  Speaker 1: twenty one. A driver on this stretch of dirt road
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  Speaker 1: in world Northern Jay County early Sunday morning called nine
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  Speaker 1: one to report seeing what looked like a body. When
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  Speaker 1: investigators got there, they found thirty one year old Shay Bryer,
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  Speaker 1: who was alive, but just barely. He was flown to
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  Speaker 1: a Fort Wayne hospital, but died before doctors could get
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  Speaker 1: him into sir jury. Multiple lives possibly ruined in a
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  Speaker 1: situation like this, So you just your heart goes out
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  Speaker 1: to everybody involved. JA County Prosecutor West Shechemenhoer says detectives
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  Speaker 1: worked around the clock to trace Bryer's final hours, joining
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  Speaker 1: me an all star panel to break it down and
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  Speaker 1: put it back together again. First of all, Ken Belkin,
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  Speaker 1: New York criminal defense attorney. You can find him at
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  Speaker 1: belcan Law dot com. Also with me, psychologist Karen Start
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Form police Chief John's Creek, twenty five years on the force,
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  Speaker 1: now PI and polygrapher at Chris Buyers Investigations and Polygraphs
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. Deputy Medical Exam for Travis County. That's Austin, Texas,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. But first to Ray Computer, lead news
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  Speaker 1: anchor for wd BO. Man. That is a tough way
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  Speaker 1: to die off a dirt road. A driver happens to
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  Speaker 1: go by and see a body and the cars, the
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  Speaker 1: mts every he gets to the hospital and the nick
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  Speaker 1: of time, still alive, but then dies. They couldn't save him.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you know, where did this happen to?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me about the dirt road, the bridge everything. Yeah, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this is in a northern Jay County, Indiana, and that's
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  Speaker 1: like right next to the Ohio border. And I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's his rurals that comes around a lot of big
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  Speaker 1: cities around. I mean Dayton, Ohio hours away. Other other
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  Speaker 1: big cities are far away. So this was a very
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  Speaker 1: lonely place. Yeah, and I'm looking at out a map.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of farmland and this happened right where
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  Speaker 1: a bridge of goes over a little creek. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's final hours against I just couldn't imagine,
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  Speaker 1: you know, laying there on this by a dirt road
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  Speaker 1: with nobody around, with a gunshot wound. You know, just
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  Speaker 1: from what I know right now to you, Chief Buyers,
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  Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot just from that small amount of information.
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  Speaker 1: I know that this guy was driven there and dumped.
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  Speaker 1: He was shot in, dumped by a bridge off a
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  Speaker 1: dirt road, very secluded. It was intentional. Either he was
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  Speaker 1: lured there and shot or he was shot in dumped.
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  Speaker 1: This bridge, it's a small bridge, but then you can
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  Speaker 1: go under it and it looks a very grown up,
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  Speaker 1: lots of bushes, lots of tall grass. Somebody dumped him
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  Speaker 1: there so his body would not be found. This is
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  Speaker 1: at least the secondary crime scene, Chief Buyers. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was killed somewhere else and dumped. And we don't
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  Speaker 1: have any report that his car was stolen, so he
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  Speaker 1: had to be taken there somehow, Little green men from
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  Speaker 1: our didn't just drop him there. Somebody transported him there
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  Speaker 1: and dumped him. And that tells me this is not
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  Speaker 1: a carjacking. This is targeted absolutely, and that's what investigators
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  Speaker 1: are doing at this point on that scene is retracing
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  Speaker 1: how did he get there where where the crime scene is.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a huge indicator of what you're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: Just like you said, is that a secondary crime scene
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  Speaker 1: if there's no car there? He got there somehow. So
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  Speaker 1: for everything I'm hearing, it sounds like that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the two things that you said. Either he was moved there,
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  Speaker 1: he was dumped there, and was shot somewhere else. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Karen start when I started the story, I know you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna think it's not connected, but you and I covered
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  Speaker 1: the case. While bat of Chantey Mallard. She was out
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  Speaker 1: driving she ran over a man, and instead of immediately
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  Speaker 1: getting out of her car and calling nine on one,
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  Speaker 1: she drove home with a man impelled on her hood,
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  Speaker 1: goes in her garage, shuts the garage door, and goes
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  Speaker 1: inside to try to figure out what to do, and
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  Speaker 1: time passes. The guy finally dies in her rage on
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  Speaker 1: her car. So I wonder what goes through people's minds
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  Speaker 1: you jump somebody and leave him literally under a bridge
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  Speaker 1: to die off a dirt road. The act itself is
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  Speaker 1: bad enough, they hitting the homeless guy with your car,
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  Speaker 1: or the shooting this dad, this Navy vet, a loving
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  Speaker 1: dad shooting him but then throwing out his body or
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  Speaker 1: leaving him somewhere to dine, just driving away. That's a
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  Speaker 1: whole nother mindset, Karen Stark. It don't really is, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: and there's nothing that's positive about that mindset. But people
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  Speaker 1: do get in that situation, hit run, just leaving bodies
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  Speaker 1: because they don't know what to do. They get paralyzed, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: start You know that they know to call nine one
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  Speaker 1: one to try to save the person's life. Even my
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  Speaker 1: twins who just turned thirteen, know that they've known that
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  Speaker 1: since they were three years old nine one one. But
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  Speaker 1: when they are faced I'm not saying this is correct, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: but when people are faced with that kind of a
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  Speaker 1: shocking event, they sometimes not mostly, but sometimes just right off,
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  Speaker 1: or as that woman did in that case that we covered,
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  Speaker 1: they go home to try and think about what's my
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  Speaker 1: next step because they're terrified as the person bleeds out.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Ken Belka, renowned New York criminal defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: at Belka Law dot com. If I had this case,
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  Speaker 1: I would have a fill day describing not only the act,
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  Speaker 1: but leaving the guy still alive, just driving away and
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  Speaker 1: washing your hands of it, letting him die, going about
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  Speaker 1: your business, going to work, going to wherever the killer went,
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  Speaker 1: and leaving the guy there. Not just but as hours pass,
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  Speaker 1: they get him all the way to the hospital and
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  Speaker 1: then he dies. At any point, Ken Belkin, they could
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  Speaker 1: have changed their mind and save the guy's life, but
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  Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, but Nancy, let's be clear, they were
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  Speaker 1: probably severely traumatized, and people are not always their best
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  Speaker 1: in situations like that. You can't they're traumatized because they
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  Speaker 1: the killer commenced murder. Is that what you're saying. Did
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  Speaker 1: you say that? Well, Look, I think it's a terrible situation.
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  Speaker 1: It's a tense situation. They're not operating at full mental capacity,
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  Speaker 1: and they're not thinking clearly. And I think, like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of us, when we're not thinking clearly, we don't
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  Speaker 1: make rational decisions, and we don't make decisions that benefit
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  Speaker 1: ourselves in the long run. Okay, Kim Belkin, to shoot somebody,
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  Speaker 1: you have to get a gun, you have to load it,
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  Speaker 1: you have to aim it, you gotta find your victim,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta aim it and pull the trigger. And unless
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  Speaker 1: the shot this person in the car, you got to
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  Speaker 1: get the victim in the car, drive him to the dump.
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  Speaker 1: Side pushing. You know, dead bodies are heavy. Push the
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  Speaker 1: body out and then drive off and wait for the
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  Speaker 1: guy to die. Intent under the law can be formed
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  Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye much less all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I just it take me two minutes to recount it.
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  Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, that's time to form intent. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Where did you go
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  Speaker 1: to law school, Kim, Because you've got a pretty good reputation,
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  Speaker 1: May I ask where you went to law Skiol New
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  Speaker 1: York Law? All right? Did somebody tell you there? Because
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  Speaker 1: I want to look up your professor that not thinking
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  Speaker 1: clearly is some kind of a defense, because it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a total defense. I'm just saying
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  Speaker 1: that maybe it strikes to the element of intent. I
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  Speaker 1: think what you're really saying, Kim balchanists that you would
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  Speaker 1: try to argue it at trial. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about a thirty one year old father,
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  Speaker 1: loving dad. Every picture I look at of this guy,
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  Speaker 1: Shaye Brier, He's holding a baby with love in his eyes.
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  Speaker 1: Why does this guy end up dead, shot, dead off
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  Speaker 1: the side of a dirt road and What's so upsetting
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  Speaker 1: is that he could have been saved. At any point,
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  Speaker 1: the killer could have turned back. Motorist comes along, sees
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  Speaker 1: the body, calls nine one one. He gets all the
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  Speaker 1: way the hospital and dies. He could have been saved.
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  Speaker 1: Even it's the icing on a poisonous cake. It's insult
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  Speaker 1: to injury. What happened to this guy? Who is this guy?
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  Speaker 1: I could listen to this Kay Briar grew up in
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  Speaker 1: Kailua and moved to Indiana after serving in the military.
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  Speaker 1: His mother tells me, the families still cannot wrap their
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  Speaker 1: head around what happened. Thirty one year old Shape Bryer
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  Speaker 1: moved to Kailua with his mother from Indiana when he
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  Speaker 1: was five years old. He graduated from the Academy of
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific in two thousand and six with honors. He
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  Speaker 1: served in the Navy from two thousand and eight to
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  Speaker 1: two twelve as a canine handler because he loved animals.
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  Speaker 1: His mother tells me, he moved to Indiana after serving
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  Speaker 1: in the military because he also loved the farm life.
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  Speaker 1: My family turned him on to tractors, and he loved
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  Speaker 1: tractors and dirt and farming, and actually he liked the
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  Speaker 1: farm life. I liked the island life. You're hearing our
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  Speaker 1: friend Manola Morales at kho In and just hearing about
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  Speaker 1: this guy, a dog handler and the Navy served honorably,
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  Speaker 1: super smart and then gets turned on to the farm life.
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  Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times when we would
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  Speaker 1: come home from school, driving home would pass farm after
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  Speaker 1: farm after farm, and everybody in our community would be
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  Speaker 1: out there on their tractors farming that land. And it
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  Speaker 1: gets in your blood growing up in farmland and loving farmland,
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  Speaker 1: and this quiet and simple life as the life the
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  Speaker 1: victim chose. Little did he know that violent crime would
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  Speaker 1: find him no matter where he went. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: now to our friends at kho In. He met and
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  Speaker 1: got engaged to thirty one year old as there's Stephen
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  Speaker 1: Bryer and Stephen have a one year old daughter. As
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  Speaker 1: mother tells me, he was trying to get partial custody
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  Speaker 1: of the child, who he has not seen since Stephen
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  Speaker 1: broke the engagement in September. The only thing he wanted
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  Speaker 1: was visitation to see his daughter and his name on
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  Speaker 1: the verses. I think that's all that he wanted. He
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  Speaker 1: wanted a family. He wanted them to all be a family,
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  Speaker 1: and so for this to happen, it's just heartbreaking. His
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  Speaker 1: mother says. Brier was also active with a church and
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  Speaker 1: had been volunteering their Saturday the day before he was killed.
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  Speaker 1: He had all day, you know, helped his church, basically
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  Speaker 1: serving Lord. And then that night, a little bit after
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  Speaker 1: twelve is when our life changed forever. You know. Hearing
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  Speaker 1: about this guy's life, it's just heartbreaking. The guy goes
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  Speaker 1: and serves his country, he comes home to work on
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  Speaker 1: a farm. He has a baby with his fiancee. All
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  Speaker 1: he wants is some kind of life with that baby,
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  Speaker 1: even if it's just weekends. Anything he can get working
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  Speaker 1: for free at the church. I mean, the guy sounds
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  Speaker 1: like a saint. So how does he end up dead? How?
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  Speaker 1: And why? Take a listen to Sierra Tufts. The last
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  Speaker 1: moment was giving him a hug and preparing for the
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  Speaker 1: next day and coming. I loved him thinking for everything.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty one year old Shay Brier served four years in
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  Speaker 1: the Navy as a canine handler. He had a love
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  Speaker 1: for his daughter, his dogs, and serving others. We serve
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  Speaker 1: in a church, we think we're there to help people write,
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  Speaker 1: but in this case, it became him being the one
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  Speaker 1: to help us. His family didn't want to go on
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  Speaker 1: camera but say he had a big heart, lived and
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  Speaker 1: breathed the military, was religious, and loved his daughter so much.
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  Speaker 1: I want to remember the man for who he was
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  Speaker 1: and who he is and the impact that he's made
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  Speaker 1: on so many lives. You know, when violent crime enters
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  Speaker 1: your life, it's a game changer. Nobody is ever the same, Karen,
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  Speaker 1: start you've dealt with so many crime victims. It changes
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  Speaker 1: your life for the rest of your life, how you
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  Speaker 1: grow up, how you see the world, how you raise
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  Speaker 1: your children, how you live your life day to day.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear this woman? And you know, I think, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: if anybody would know what that's like, it would be you,
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  Speaker 1: because when you were exposed to that kind of violent crime,
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  Speaker 1: you even make decisions that have to do the career
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  Speaker 1: that you choose because it never really leaves you. It's
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  Speaker 1: something that you can't get over and it influences, just
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  Speaker 1: as you said, every aspect of what you do next. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, Karen, and I've talked about it many many times,
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  Speaker 1: and a dark studio at Court TV, I had planned
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  Speaker 1: to teach Shakespearean literature. And when my fiancee was a
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  Speaker 1: murderer before a wedding, I dropped out of school and
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  Speaker 1: ultimately went back to law school to put bad guys
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  Speaker 1: in jail. That was the big plan. It changed how
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  Speaker 1: long it took me to ever try to remarry. It
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  Speaker 1: changes the way I raised the children. Almost couldn't have
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  Speaker 1: children because I'd waited so long after the trauma of
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  Speaker 1: Keith being murdered before her wedding, and it changes everything.
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  Speaker 1: The other day I've told you this story. My daughter said, Mom,
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  Speaker 1: can I ever go on a walk through the neighborhood alone?
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  Speaker 1: And I told her, of course yes. And do you
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  Speaker 1: know how much I had to duck and dive to
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  Speaker 1: follow that child while she was walking and her not
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  Speaker 1: see me. I'm telling you it changes everything for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of your life. And I kind of ask you,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas, that's awesome,
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  Speaker 1: which I love you guys have some awesome barbecue in Austin,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Crowns. But that aside with what you do as
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  Speaker 1: a medical examiner and you see so many violent crime victims,
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  Speaker 1: does that affect the way you live? To some degree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, when you see stuff that people do that
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  Speaker 1: results in their sudden, untimely demise, it does make you
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  Speaker 1: a lot more cautious. I would say, as far as
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  Speaker 1: homicides go, you know, it is so random how a
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  Speaker 1: lot of homicides happen that really that hasn't really changed
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  Speaker 1: how my life is. But accidents, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 1: standing on top of ladders, venturing out in deep water
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  Speaker 1: that you can't see the bottom of, things of that nature,
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  Speaker 1: it has changed how I approach things for sure. But
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  Speaker 1: homicide you can't predict them unless you're somebody's spouse that
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  Speaker 1: you're agitating. But other than that, you really can't predict homicides.
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  Speaker 1: They're very random. Here you it changes you, you know,
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  Speaker 1: to Chief Buyers Chris Buyer's former police chief John's create
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years, has it changed the way you live,
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  Speaker 1: the way you raise your children, how you go about
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  Speaker 1: your life every day? Absolutely. My poor twenty year old son,
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  Speaker 1: all through his middle school, high school time, would want
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  Speaker 1: to do something and I would say no, and he'd
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  Speaker 1: give me the But all my other friends parents are
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  Speaker 1: letting them do it, and I'm like, they don't know
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  Speaker 1: what I know. They don't know where the dangers lurk,
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  Speaker 1: so absolutely everything you do, from you know, coming home
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  Speaker 1: and being aware of your surroundings and closing your garage
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  Speaker 1: and make sure it closes before somebody sneaks into it,
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  Speaker 1: to you know, being at restaurants and making sure your
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  Speaker 1: backs against the wall because you want to see the door.
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  Speaker 1: You want to know where the eggents are. Constantly pulling
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  Speaker 1: up to a red light and looking around and thinking, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: if the guy in front of me jumps out with
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  Speaker 1: a gun, what am I going to do? Just playing
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  Speaker 1: those what ifs? And I've beat it into my children's head,
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  Speaker 1: my wife's head, so it absolutely changes everything about your
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  Speaker 1: you know, the other day we pulled up to a
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  Speaker 1: red light and my husband was driving. I said, don't
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  Speaker 1: get so close to the car in front of you
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  Speaker 1: and he said, why I'm not too close? And I said,
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  Speaker 1: because the guy gets out with a gun. Where are
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  Speaker 1: you gonna go? You can't back up, you can't move forward.
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  Speaker 1: Think about it. And he looked at me like I
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  Speaker 1: was crazy to even think that might happen. I'm glad
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  Speaker 1: to own the only crazy one. Chief Buyers Prime Stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, So how does his dad who's never
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  Speaker 1: been in trouble in his life end up dead at
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  Speaker 1: the end of a dirt road. How does that happen?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jay County Sheriff Dwayne Ford and
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  Speaker 1: kill up sailor w f T Fox. Did our Sheriff
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  Speaker 1: Sparlow's contacted third nine on one reference a person that
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  Speaker 1: was injured? Our guys responded along with the MS. That
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  Speaker 1: person was taken to the hospital and then transported on
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  Speaker 1: up to Luzar. Jay County Sheriff Dwayne Ford says it
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  Speaker 1: was at Lutheran Hospital where Blair was pronounced dead. The
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  Speaker 1: news of the murder took people, even the sheriff by surprise.
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  Speaker 1: We did have a homicide all six months ago. But
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  Speaker 1: that's very rare, Jake Kenny, that anything like this ever happens.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear what the sheriff said. He said, we
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  Speaker 1: did have a homicide a few years ago. Man, you
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  Speaker 1: were right, Ray Kiepudo when you told me it was
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  Speaker 1: a low crime area. God bless him. I understand, Ray Kipudo.
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  Speaker 1: The victim was shot in the back. Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: He was shot in the back with a twenty two rifle. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about that shot in the back. So what
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  Speaker 1: that means to me right off the bat ken belkin,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's going to be able to claim self defense if
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  Speaker 1: you shoot somebody in the back, They're not coming for you. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: a shot in the back is clearly not defense. It's
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  Speaker 1: clearly evidence of something way more malicious. And you Sandra
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  Speaker 1: Kaputo w DBO a twenty two caliber rifle to you,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Kennel Crowns, what's that? Twenty two caliber rifle? Is
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  Speaker 1: a small caliber rifle. It's it doesn't have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of force to it. In fact, the bullets sometimes when
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  Speaker 1: they enter your body, will bounce off your bones and
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  Speaker 1: ricochet around within your internal organs. You know, chief buyers,
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  Speaker 1: I often hear of a twenty two. Had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of cases with a twenty two. It's a small weapon.
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  Speaker 1: There were usually a handgun. How common is a twenty
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  Speaker 1: two caliber rifle. It's the first gun I ever owned.
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  Speaker 1: It's normally what you take here, you buy your kids
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  Speaker 1: to learn to shoot. It's what my dad bought me
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  Speaker 1: to learn to shoot. So I was gonna say it
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: sounds like a daisy shotgun. You give your child to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: go learn how to shoot at a tree somewhere at
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: my husband. He knows how I feel about guns. His
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: parents gave him. I think it was called a daisy
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: or a little shotgun when he was little, and he said,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: maybe it was even a BB gun or a pellet gun,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: but it was shoot off to one side. It wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: even shoot straight. Needless to say, he's not a marksman,
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  Speaker 1: so I've never even seen a twenty two caliber rifle.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like a training rifle. Yeah, it's very much.
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  Speaker 1: And like I said, it's what my dad bought me.
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  Speaker 1: It's what I bought my son to teach him to
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  Speaker 1: shoot on. It's very much an entry level thing. It's
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: not something that a professional criminal would normally use. It's
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: just usually if you've got kids, you've got one around
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the house because it's what you wanted to shoot on.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I do not have one around the house. You make
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it sound like a box of Kleenex. Yeah, you probably
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: have one around the house. No, I don't, But I
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: can't tell you a funny story. Chief Buyers, you know
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  Speaker 1: how I feel about guns. I don't want to. I
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: don't want one. I don't want the shouldren to be
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: around one. So I take them to scout camp, where
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of course, because if I hear sleep away, I think
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: murder a molestation. So I then signed me and my
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  Speaker 1: husband up to be volunteers for a week at Scout
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  Speaker 1: camp so I can make sure the children are not
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: murder and molested. They can pick whatever they want. I
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: have guarded them against guns, against violence, and every way
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I can guess who turns into a sharpshooter, my son,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: John David Lynch. He goes, he picks getting a rifle.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I guess, merit badge. I freak out. And one day
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: I had thirty six thousand steps on my footbit because
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I was going back and forth that shooting range to
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: watch him to make sure he didn't get hurt. Yes,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I was the only mother there. I don't care what
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you think. I was so tired by the time it
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: was done. I fell asleep with my head down on
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a table watching John David. And he didn't just get
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: the merit badge. I'd like to say. First he got
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: his quarter, which is you shoot I think five at
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: fifty feet five times into a quarter the coin. Then,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: to further agitate me, he gets his dime. You shoot
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: ten times into a dime at however many feet. So
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: my son. I guess everything I've tried to do has
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: turned into a little sharpshooter. We still do not have guns,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: but you know, it happens. I'm thinking about what I'm learning.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Think about it, Ken bell Kin, He's got this low
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  Speaker 1: powered weapon at twenty two. Who would have a twenty two?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You have a guy unarmed, shot in the back and dumped.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: What is that telling you about the crime scene and
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: the crime itself. It's telling me that this might not
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: have been the most planned out situation, that this could
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: have been for the moment, you know, heat of the moment,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a crime in the middle of some sort of passions
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: that were aroused heat of the moment, but yet shot
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  Speaker 1: in the bat well you I hope you're all sitting down.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to John Bedell w h IO TV Dayton.
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  Speaker 1: We're here in Portland, Indiana. It's about eleven miles from
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Fort Recovery. Court documents filed here at the Ja County
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Courthouse and obtained by New Center seven show there was
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: an active custody battle between one of the suspects and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: the victim when he was killed. For small towns, everybody
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: knows everybody, everybody knows everything, and in small town Portland, Indiana.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Morgan Fraser says it's hard to believe esther, Stephen and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Shelby Heistend are accused of murder. Oh. I was like,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: oh no, I was like, no way it could have
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: been them. There's no way they could have done it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Like I've known them for too long. They're too gentle
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: of people, they're too nice. But Jay County prosecutors say
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the two Fort Recovery High School softball coaches worked together
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: to pull off a violen and crime. In fact, investigators
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: say the pair admitted to it. Let me understand this,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: so you Ry Kaputo, It's not just a woman, which
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: statistically is unheard of. I mean it does happen, but
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: very rarely for a woman to commit a violent crime
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  Speaker 1: by cheating a guy in the back and dumping the body. Yeah,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: we've all seen the movie. I think it was called
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Monster about the female serial killer few and far between.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So it's not just one woman, but two women who
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: were known for being meek and mild. As a matter
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of fact, they're the local softball coaches. Seriously, yeah, Nancy,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I mean how uncommon is that? But also there is
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: a child that is involved. That is shared between the
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: victim and esther one of those softball coaches. And when
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: you add children into the mix, you know you got
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that mama bear thing going on. So although women don't
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: commonly do this sort of thing, there is a child involved,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: which does that makes a little more son but protect
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the child against what This dad was a loving dad.
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  Speaker 1: He just wanted to see his daughter have his name
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  Speaker 1: as father listed on the birth certificate. There is no
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: suggestion he ever hurt the child. He just wanted him
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and his mom to get to be around the baby.
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  Speaker 1: So what was it? She just did not want him
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: to get to see his baby. That's what it sounds like,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: because you're right, he was simply trying to become part
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: of this little girl's life. I mean, he barely saw
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the baby. He'd last seen the baby in November. He
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: was just simply a dad who was doing what a
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: lot of dads don't want to do, be involved in
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: their child's life beyond the birth certificate. And the bio
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: mom wanted to have nothing to do with that. You know,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: that's amazing to me, Karen Stark. We've covered so many
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: cases where the dad wants nothing to do with the baby.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: They don't even want to. I mean, it is their baby.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: You gotta track him down, lasso him, pull them in
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: with a rope like a lasso a steer, make him
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: take a DNA test to prove their the dad. Then
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: their dad. Beat dads. You're lucky if they'll throw a
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: box of Pampers at the front door as they drive by.
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  Speaker 1: Here's a dad that wants He's not trying to get
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  Speaker 1: the child away from the mom. He just wants partial
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: custody to have visitation with the little girl. You know, Matty,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: women don't really understand what was going on with this couple,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: especially the mother. I mean, why would she be so
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: overprotective and not want to allow him near her child?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: What was going on that happened? Because he's sounds exactly
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: like that kind of dad. Well, I don't know that
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: overprotectives the right word, Karen Stark, because there's no even
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: a suggestion he ever hurt the baby in any way.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: It sounds more like spite, anger, just something that she
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: did not want them to even get to visit. She
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: did not want his name on the birth certificate. Yeah,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like she wanted a sperm bank and not a real person.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Now that that's a thought, guys, take a listen to this.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Stephen apparently said she was angry that Briar had petitioned
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: the court for custody rights and it changed their baby's
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: last name. Police say both women admitted they drove Briar
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: to the remote site, and that while Stephen distracted him
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: on the bridge, high Stand shot him in the back
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: with a twenty two caliber rifle and autopsy found the
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: bullet hit his heart. The prosecutor says the case is
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a tragedy all around. Certainly in a small community that
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: you do feel the impact of a case like this
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: because it's a small community. Folks know one another, families
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: are interconnected like a most small community, so it's very
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: difficult prime stories With Nancy Grace. Stephen apparently said she
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: was angry that Briar had petitioned the court for custody
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  Speaker 1: rights and to change their baby's last name. Police say
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: both women admitted they drove Briar to the remote site,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: and that while Stephen distracted him on the bridge, high
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Stand shot him in the back with a twenty two
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  Speaker 1: caliber rifle and autopsy found the bullet hit his heart.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: The prosecutor says the case is a tragedy all around,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: certainly in a small community that you do feel the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: impact of a case like this because it's a small community.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Folks know one another, families are interconnected, like in most
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: small communities, so it's very difficult. So there's a motive.
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  Speaker 1: She was quote angry. He wanted any custody rights at all,
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  Speaker 1: even partial custody, even visitation, and she really went over
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the ash because he wanted to change the baby's last name.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I guess to his Shay Briar Chrest doctor Kendall Crown's
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: deputy medical examiner Austin, this twenty two caliber bullet, which
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: is very small, hit his heart. How did he keep living?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So once the bullet hits the heart, you don't necessarily
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: instantaneously die, but it does take a few seconds for
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: you to with the heart to bleed out, so you
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: can still have purposeful movement for probably about fifteen to
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds. This guy was still alive well after the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: shooting that loose him there on a dirt road at
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: a bridge. I'm not I'm a little confused. You've got
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the mother of the baby, the fiancee esther, Stephen, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: then you've got another teen girl involved. One of them
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: lured him and the others shot him. Who is the teen,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo. The teen is Shelby high Stand Nancy. She's
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: an assistant softball coach or a former one too at
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  Speaker 1: Fort Recovery High School where Esther worked. And I did
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: see a report that said that they were girlfriends. And
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that was his friendship or they
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: were romantically involved, but certainly someone who had worked alongside
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Esther at four Recovery High School. So Esther Stephen, the
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: twenty nine year old Baya mom, it's actually a high
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  Speaker 1: school softball coach, I guess for the girls softball team,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and then she recruits she'll be high stand to help
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: her commit murder. You just heard Karan Rose, ABC twenty
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: one w PTA. But now take a listen to John
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Bedell hiotv JA County Deputy's found Shay Briar dead along
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  Speaker 1: a road Sunday. He had a child with Stephen. When
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: investigators interviewed her Tuesday, court documents say Stephen admitted she
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: was angry. Bryar had filed a custody lawsuit involving their
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: child in November. They were doing court for a hearing
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in the case in February, investigators rode in court documents,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Stephen and Heiston got a twenty two caliber rifle from
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  Speaker 1: Heiston's house Saturday night. Then they called Brier right after
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: midnight to see if he wanted to quote hang out.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: The two coaches picked up Briar at his house and
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: drove to a bridge along a county road, where all
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: three got out of the car. Court documents say Stephen
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: admitted she distracted Briar so Heisten could get the rifle
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: out of the car. Investigators say is Stephen and Briar
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: walked away from the car, Heisten shot Brier once in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the back. The bullet tore through his heart and killed him. Well,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care who pulled the trigger. They're all responsible
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: for murder. Not just murder, but murder. One you've heard
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: about two women high school softball coaches for the girls
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  Speaker 1: team embroiled in this murder. That's not the end of
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the story. Take a listen to whiotvs. Molly Kowek. Please
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: arrested a third person from Fort Recovery in connection with
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the murder of an Indiana man. According to media outlets
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: in Indiana, investigators believe eighteen year old Hannah Knapki loaned
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: her car to former Fort Recovery softball coaches Esther Stephen
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  Speaker 1: and Shelby high Stand because her car would not be
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: recognized if anyone spotted them. Investigators says Stephen and high
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Stand admitted to working together to kill Shabe Brier. Court
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  Speaker 1: record show Stephen said she was angry with Brier because
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: he recently filed a custody lawsuit involving their child. Detectives
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: found Canapki in Iowa. You know when you said spermed owner,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: that's all they wanted him for, you may have been
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: right here and start because this woman wanted nothing to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: do with the dad off her child, her former fiancee.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: As soon as she had the baby, he was history,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: and went so far as to not only kill him,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: but drag two teen girls in on it. Ran Kaputo Wdbo,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: who's the third teen girl? She was as simply a
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: former softball player that knew Shelby and Esther, and this
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: girl was a volleyball recruited a local college, so she
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: had moved on. But I think that she just got
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: caught up with a couple of people who got her
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: involved in something that she shouldn't has she consented to
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: getting her having her car be used in this because
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: they thought that no one would recognize it. But now
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: she's just in a whole keep of trouble along with
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the other two. Yeah, if you lon your car, she
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: further a murder because you know your car won't be
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: recognized Europe for felony murder even though this team girl
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was in another state. Take a listen to Stacy Horst
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: KCCI eight are cut thirteen now former Iowa college athlete
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: is charged with being involved in a murder in Indiana.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Hannah Knapki was a volleyball player at
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Marshalltown Community College, the school town's KCCI. Her scholarship has
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: been revoked and she is no longer enrolled. Knapki is
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: originally from Ohio. She has ars in connection with the
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: death of Shaye Bryer in Jay County, Indiana, earlier this month.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: The criminal complaint says she helped a friend in the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: murder of Briar over a child custody dispute, scholarship, smallership.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Who cares about that when you're looking down the wrong
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: end of a barrel of felony murder leveled right at
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: your head, because that's what she's looking at. Ken Belkin.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: This last is third woman, Hannah Knapkey is in another state,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: loans her car for them to commit a shooting, a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: murder so they would not be recognized. She's in it.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: She's in it up to her eyeballs. For felony murder.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: She certainly is. I mean, if she loaned them this
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: car with the express purpose that they would invade detection
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and avoid capture by using this car, then she can
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: be liable for any of the crimes committed while the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: adback car. It's classic felony murderable. If your co phlones
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: there in the commission of a felony, loss of life occurs,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: even if you did not especially take that life, you
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: can be liable for felony murder. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Dirk Rally WA NA fifteen. The Fort Recovery, Ohio school
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: district plans to fire two softball coaches facing murder charges.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Indiana prosecutors filed formal charges earlier this month against twenty
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: nine year old Esther Stephen and eighteen year old Shelby
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: High he stand excused me, both from Portland they're accused
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of killing thirty one year old Shave Briar. Court documents
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: indicate Stephen was angry at Briar for opening a custody
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: case over a child they share. She and he stand
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: then allegedly conspired to kill Briar along a rural road.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: The Fort Recovery School District announced they planned to fire
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: both tomorrow. Both suspects are in jail without bond, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: they're scheduled to be back in court in March. I
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: guess they do plan to fire, then, what's the hold up? Guys? Now,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the little girl, the baby they were fighting over, has
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: neither a mother or a fat We wait as just
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: as unfals. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend