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ITB: What Does Michael Carter Trade Mean For Philadelphia Eagles Defense? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on? Everybody's Jeff Mosher,
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  Speaker 1: Adam Kaplan. That's right. The Eagles made a trade on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna break it down. And man, I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what Adam before we even get to it. The
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  Speaker 1: Eagles have made a lot of trades this year. Not
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  Speaker 1: one of a single one has been a blockbuster, but
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  Speaker 1: they have made a bunch of trades going back to
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  Speaker 1: the off season. Obviously this one, they acquire cornerback from
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  Speaker 1: the Jets, Michael Carter.
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  Speaker 2: Not a corner, it's a nickel. A Well, remember what Fixcess's.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about that? Yeah, yet, right, I think we know
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  Speaker 1: defensive back. I'll call it. It's about Michael Carter.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And in turn, they give up Johnny Metchie. We hardly
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  Speaker 1: knew you had the wide receiver that they brought in
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  Speaker 1: via a different trade and a seventh round pick. They
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  Speaker 1: have two, so it'll probably it'll be the better one
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  Speaker 1: of the seventh round picks, and away we go. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a couple of ways to look at this, right.
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  Speaker 1: You could sort of be skeptical and look at it
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  Speaker 1: and say, man, it's just adding some depth at at
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  Speaker 1: a versatile position inside or outside, or you could think
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  Speaker 1: that there's a wheel in motion here for the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: to want to play Michael Carter at the slot if
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  Speaker 1: he's you know, where he's played before and if he's
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  Speaker 1: going to excel there, and then potentially move Cooper to
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  Speaker 1: Gene outside for this season. I wouldn't go beyond I
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  Speaker 1: think we're in agreement on that, but just for really
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  Speaker 1: the best temporary fix for their secondary this season could
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  Speaker 1: be that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Degane has always been there in house fail safe,
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  Speaker 3: like if all does not work out, if you really
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  Speaker 3: want to win a super Bowl and you're not making
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  Speaker 3: a trade for a corner, this is the move because
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  Speaker 3: you're not winning a super Bowl with Ringo or Jeory Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: A's your starting corner. I'm not criticizing them, just being honest.
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  Speaker 3: That's the way the league sees it. They see them
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  Speaker 3: as backups. At this point, nothing has happened that surprised us,
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  Speaker 3: other than the fact that Ringo hasn't being crushed over
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  Speaker 3: the top, which is surprising. But in terms of performance,
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  Speaker 3: ringoes on a starting corner. I mean, no one who
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  Speaker 3: knows football is arguing with that. He's trying his hardest,
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  Speaker 3: he's done the best he can. If you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl, you're gonna have to look elsewhere
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  Speaker 3: and looking inward as you mentioned, and suggests that it's
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  Speaker 3: very possible that Degene is going to be a corner
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  Speaker 3: and move from nickel.
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  Speaker 2: Now. Vic loves Coop as a nickel.
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  Speaker 3: He's dynamic, he's athletic, great slot corner, slot dB excuse me,
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  Speaker 3: playing inside, covering a tight end, covering a running back, blitzing,
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  Speaker 3: covering a receiver, whatever youone do. He's a jack of
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  Speaker 3: all trades. But remember he was a corner at Iowa.
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  Speaker 3: But you had mentioned something to me. I totally forgot
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  Speaker 3: about Vic. I guess was explain to people. What was
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  Speaker 3: Vic asked about Cooper potentially playing corner or for the future.
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  Speaker 2: What would it take.
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  Speaker 1: He was just recently asked. I mean, he'd been asked
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  Speaker 1: it before and it said the same thing, but he
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  Speaker 1: was recently asked about it. And first thing he said,
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  Speaker 1: he was asked about Cooper in the slot. Obviously, everybody's
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  Speaker 1: asking him these questions because the trade deadline is near
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  Speaker 1: and this is the first last time you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get to talk to him. And he reiterated that he
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  Speaker 1: felt that Cooper, to Gene is too valuable as a
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  Speaker 1: slot corner for what they do to simply have moved
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  Speaker 1: him there and played somebody else, and that he's one
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  Speaker 1: of the best athletes that they have, but he also
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  Speaker 1: said they've considered it in the past and just found
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  Speaker 1: that he's too valuable, And then in a follow up
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  Speaker 1: question about considering it, he was asked, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when you've considered it, what has been the alternative for
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  Speaker 1: you that has just said he's too valuable to play
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  Speaker 1: in the slot, and Vic said, we just haven't figured
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  Speaker 1: found someone who could play the slot that we're I'm
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  Speaker 1: paraphrasing that we're comfortable with moving Cooper to Jean outside.
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  Speaker 1: And that makes sense because he really has not had
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  Speaker 1: over the last two years someone who you would say
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  Speaker 1: is even close or comparable to playing that position. And
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  Speaker 1: this year alone, you know, Parry Nickerson is a nice player,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't he's not been a starter in this
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  Speaker 1: league on a good team, good defense, and he's played
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  Speaker 1: there a little bit this year. Went right back to
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  Speaker 1: the practice squad after the game, and Mac McWilliams is
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  Speaker 1: a kid that they drafted and played at outside and inside,
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  Speaker 1: but it still has not played a whole lot, if
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  Speaker 1: at all, on the defense. So Michael Carter is probably
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  Speaker 1: the closest thing they have to a player in this
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  Speaker 1: league who has good experience in the slot and has
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  Speaker 1: played well there. So it gives him the solution. The
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  Speaker 1: question now becomes, Adam is it's a fact finding mission
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  Speaker 1: now for Vic and the Eagles. Is Michael Carter once
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  Speaker 1: they get back to practice on Thursday of next week
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  Speaker 1: because they have a Monday night game, is he the solution?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he just automatically is the solution. Because
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  Speaker 1: they've traded for him, They've got to figure out is
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  Speaker 1: he the guy that can do this if they want
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  Speaker 1: to move Cooper to Gene outside.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would just add this, they don't make a
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  Speaker 3: trade with not knowing what they want to do. It's
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  Speaker 3: on your point, is he ready to do it? If
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  Speaker 3: he's ready, now he's doing it. That's why they made
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  Speaker 3: the trade. You don't make a trade. You don't wake
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  Speaker 3: up of the morning say you know what, let's just
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  Speaker 3: make a trade for a guy that they have a
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  Speaker 3: reason for it. Every trade has a reason. Now, let
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  Speaker 3: me move this forward here. Mac mcwoe's clearly is not
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  Speaker 3: ready despite having an intriguing training camp. It's they're giving
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  Speaker 3: you the answers to the test when you make a
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  Speaker 3: trade for a nickel like Michael Carter. And we're going
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  Speaker 3: to get into what happened with him with the Jets's
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  Speaker 3: there's more than meets the eye here in terms of
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  Speaker 3: why they looking to move him.
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  Speaker 2: There's always a reason why teams move him. But let's
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  Speaker 2: stand on mckwimson.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get over to Carter Macgwe's had a nice training camp,
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  Speaker 3: but Vic clearly doesn't think he's ready, So he's.
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  Speaker 2: Not the nickel.
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  Speaker 3: Now, what I would add is everything you said could
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  Speaker 3: happen or probably will happen, and I would say it's
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  Speaker 3: highly probable except for one thing, unless how he makes
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  Speaker 3: a trade for a true cornerback.
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  Speaker 2: Two this Tuesday, a four P is a trade deadline.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Look, you never know what comes up. You never know.
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  Speaker 3: What Because how he's good at understanding where teams are
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  Speaker 3: in contract negotiations. He knew Garter Johnson in twenty two
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  Speaker 3: was not getting his contract extended. He had a good
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  Speaker 3: relationship with Mickey Loomis, called him, got him gott and
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  Speaker 3: he helped him get to the super Bowl. Then they
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  Speaker 3: won a super Bowl with him last year. Yes, you
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  Speaker 3: never know, man, So how he's resourceful, his good sources,
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  Speaker 3: he finds out what's going to happen, and he.
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  Speaker 2: Checks as you were. That's how he got aj Brown.
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  Speaker 3: He knew that that there might be a possibility John Robinson,
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  Speaker 3: the GM told him first, no, no where. We're working
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  Speaker 3: on an extension. But it broke down. And how he
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  Speaker 3: got his man, so you never know. He could still
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  Speaker 3: get it. He could still get a true corner. But
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  Speaker 3: if he doesn't get a corner, it's extrapol like kind
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  Speaker 3: of what we see, what we hear, what we know,
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  Speaker 3: you could definitely see going forward if they think Carter's ready.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, this is why they did it. You would
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  Speaker 3: fai think realistically Carter will be their nickel at some point.
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  Speaker 3: On your point, you make a good point that he
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  Speaker 3: may not be. He's got to learn the defense. This
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  Speaker 3: is not the same defense that he played in the
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  Speaker 3: Jet Effect. He played in a couple different defenses. Remember
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  Speaker 3: we played for Robert Salah and then uh then the
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  Speaker 3: new regime at our Aaron Glenn comes in and they
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  Speaker 3: run their scheme. So now he's got to learn vic scheme,
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  Speaker 3: which is the mirror match. Mirror match. Although they're playing
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  Speaker 3: a lot of man this year, they are not playing
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  Speaker 3: you know, they're not playing as much of it.
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  Speaker 2: But the bottom line is he's got to learn it
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  Speaker 2: once Vic's comfortable, and that's the key man. He's he
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  Speaker 2: makes the decisions.
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  Speaker 3: I know he He's got Christian Parker as the dbast coach,
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  Speaker 3: but they have to come to agreement when he's ready.
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  Speaker 3: The most likely scenario is if Carter's ready, he's the
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  Speaker 3: nickel and Kop moves outside. And now now now, now
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  Speaker 3: you're looking at a different thing. Now you theoretically should
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  Speaker 3: be way better. But we want to discuss why in
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  Speaker 3: a minute, why Carter was traded.
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  Speaker 2: He was very available. The word around the league was
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  Speaker 2: they were trying to move him. They got next to nothing.
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  Speaker 3: For him, and it's the reason is because you have
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  Speaker 3: Joe Douglas who's with Eagles. He drafted him. Carter was
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  Speaker 3: a good player for a while. Last year he started
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  Speaker 3: getting his role cut. Isaiah Oliver, who's a nickel on
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  Speaker 3: a corner, was drafted by the Falcons. He started covering,
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  Speaker 3: cutting into his role, and then this season the Jets
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  Speaker 3: make a trade for Jarvis Brownlee coming up from the Titans,
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  Speaker 3: and Carter started seeing his roll cut.
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  Speaker 2: Then he got hurt, he had a concussion.
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  Speaker 3: And then he barely played last week, which might explain
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  Speaker 3: like maybe the Jets knew that they were going to
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  Speaker 3: trade him. So yeah, there's a reason. We'll get into
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  Speaker 3: his contract in a couple of minutes. But there are
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  Speaker 3: always teams. Again, don't just decide they're going to trade
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  Speaker 3: a player they and we're seeing this. Keon White was
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  Speaker 3: traded from the Patriots to the Niners. They got next
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  Speaker 3: to nothing for him on the finality of his rookie deal. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: you had Elliott Wolf who didn't draft him. Boy, they've
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  Speaker 3: they've blown up the roster. It's like they want almost
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  Speaker 3: every Belichick player off the Yeah, yeah, again, there's a
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  Speaker 3: reason why things happen. Carter, he's still young. He got
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  Speaker 3: the extension. This is really interesting. And again, Darren Mujie
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  Speaker 3: is the new GM, so he didn't draft him, and
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  Speaker 3: he also didn't do with the extension. Douglas did last
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  Speaker 3: year with whoever did the contract, but it did the
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  Speaker 3: extension right before the twenty fourth season started, and then
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  Speaker 3: you're trading the year after that's the way it is.
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  Speaker 1: one and up. Yeah, it means the Jets have to
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: pick up a good deal of that money. I believe
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  Speaker 1: after this year, the guaranteed money it's not like the
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: Eagles are gonna be owing.
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  Speaker 2: There's no guaranteed money for.
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: On the Eagles. I'm saying, right, the Jets probably paid
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  Speaker 1: it all out, is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Either. Yeah, what it was is all right, I'll give
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: you the exact I think.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just basically, when you give you got an extension
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: and you're the team that does it, the team that
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: picks it up usually doesn't have to and that's the
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: case here the Eagles.
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it depends if you don't know. It depends
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: if there's future guaranteed money.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: And I know what I'm saying. I'm pretty sure with
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  Speaker 1: this one, there's not right.
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  Speaker 3: I know what it was is there was injury guarantee
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  Speaker 3: in your two NFL dot Com that he waived the
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: injury guarantee, right, so the guarantees were paid. The guarantee
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: in Carter's contract came in the form of a signing
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  Speaker 3: boat of six million, which the Jets are responsible for.
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  Speaker 3: That was my point, yes, right right now. And the
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: option bonus this season, which the Jets were responsible for.
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  Speaker 3: The rest of the guarantee was in five point four
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  Speaker 3: million dollar injury guarantee. Eagles would have been responsible for it,
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  Speaker 3: but he waved it in the conditions of the trade,
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  Speaker 3: which I get because God forbid, he suffered an injury
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  Speaker 3: and they'd be potentially be in the hook for it.
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  Speaker 3: But the cash number next year, and this is something
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to get through if he plays lights out.
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  Speaker 3: Even so, I don't know if they're gonna take it.
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  Speaker 3: It's ten point two five million. It's just under ten
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  Speaker 3: million in base salary. He's got over five hundred grand
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  Speaker 3: in per game roster bonuses. That's a lot of money
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  Speaker 3: for a nickel who needs to kind of rebuild himself here.
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  Speaker 1: But look backloaded deal exactly the.
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  Speaker 3: Basic the best case scenarios he plays lights out. By
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  Speaker 3: the way, he signed through twenty twenty seven, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: But the Eagles bet here is that he becomes the
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  Speaker 3: player he once was and they could play coop on
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  Speaker 3: the outside.
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  Speaker 2: And boy, to me, you're way better right if that
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  Speaker 2: what we just talked about works out, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I meant also by the fact finding
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  Speaker 1: is this, they have a plan, they know what they
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  Speaker 1: want to do. Now it's up to Vic, like you
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  Speaker 1: were saying, to see what he sees in practice. Can
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  Speaker 1: he learn my system, does he play it well? How
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  Speaker 1: quickly can we get him on the field. Can he
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  Speaker 1: execute what we are hoping that we wanted from him
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  Speaker 1: when we traded for him. If he can, then that
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  Speaker 1: gives us the opsonality if we want to move Cooper
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  Speaker 1: to Gene outside, or it gives us, you know, some
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  Speaker 1: depth here to play him in certain packages. The plan
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  Speaker 1: is in their heads. Now they have to see if
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  Speaker 1: it's executable based on on Carter adapting to the defense,
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  Speaker 1: staying healthy, and carrying out the assignments the way he's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to, and that if that happens, it'll be very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I think it also gives them Adam the flexibility to
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  Speaker 1: be match up specific against an opponent. They may think
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  Speaker 1: a certain opponent, may say opponent that runs the ball
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  Speaker 1: a lot. They may like Cooper to Gene at the
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  Speaker 1: slot and live with someone outside. But against a team
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  Speaker 1: that maybe has two very good outside perimeter receivers, say
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  Speaker 1: the Lions or anybody else coming up on schedule, they
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  Speaker 1: may say, this is the opportunity for us to play
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  Speaker 1: Carter in the slot and play the Gene outside. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, it doesn't have to be an all or
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  Speaker 1: nothing thing. It could be matchup specific, because we've already
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  Speaker 1: seen Vic do that with certain with Cooper to gen himself,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes he plays outside and base, then he plays slot
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  Speaker 1: and nickel, so it just gives him another, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: chess piece type of way to go about scheming up
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  Speaker 1: his defense that overall makes you better. It'll be interesting
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  Speaker 1: again to see if there's a corresponding move at cornerback
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  Speaker 1: after this, because now you kind of have a glut
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  Speaker 1: of corners Nichols slash corners on your fifty three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's a shame that mac McWilliams just was
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  Speaker 3: not ready because man, he had an interesting training camp
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  Speaker 3: and it transactions always tell you what the teams think.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, and Carter I know has he is very he
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  Speaker 2: his minimal cornerback.
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  Speaker 3: Snapcout snaps this with the Jets. The reason why they
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: paid him what they did three years just over thirty million,
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  Speaker 3: and they guarantee the first two years was very simple.
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  Speaker 3: He was one of the better nickels in the NFL,
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  Speaker 3: and they just he kinda got usurped somewhat last year
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  Speaker 3: and it was happening again and a new GM comes
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  Speaker 3: in and say again, you see this all around the
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: NFL these it's sounded like the new GM's think, okay,
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: well we don't want this player.
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  Speaker 2: He was drafted by somebody else.
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  Speaker 3: They see the guy play and they go then they say,
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: you know what, we didn't draft him not playing well,
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: let's get him out of here. They got nothing for him,
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  Speaker 3: and there's a lot of there's The good thing is, though,
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  Speaker 3: if he plays well, the cool things you've got him
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  Speaker 3: for twenty seven, work with the agent next year. You
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  Speaker 3: already worked with him to drop the injury guarantee next year,
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  Speaker 3: and then you you talk to him, you figure out
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  Speaker 3: what the how much you want to pay him.
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  Speaker 2: That that's a good thing to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he you'd rather have the guy sign through
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  Speaker 3: next season knowing that he can't be a free agent
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  Speaker 3: if he plays well when rather than he plays lights
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  Speaker 3: out and you know, oh geez, we don't have him
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  Speaker 3: for next year.
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  Speaker 2: Now we're going to pay him again, if you right.
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  Speaker 1: So, Jacorean Bennett, that becomes interesting his role, right because
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: he has to be active onto the fifty three, right,
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  Speaker 1: He still was not active for this game, that game
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  Speaker 1: against the Giants, so he was still in the twenty
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  Speaker 1: one day window from the.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has not been Yeah, he has not been
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  Speaker 2: put on fifty three. By the way, just a small correction,
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  Speaker 2: Parry Nickerson was on the fifty three. He was cut
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  Speaker 2: and then signed an Eagles practice squad.
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  Speaker 1: Correct my fault. That's right, Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: right right, So so, but they've still got a log
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: jam there. Once, assuming Bennett gets activated to the fifty
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: three for Green Bay, which you know, we don't know
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: for sure, but we're assuming that gives them Bennett, that
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: gives them Jackson, assuming he's back from his concussion, That
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: gives them Ringo. You obviously are going to have Cooper,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: you have Quinny on and now you're you're adding Michael
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: Carter am I forgetting so oh, and you do have
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: on the fifty three Mac McWilliams. So that's one, two, three, four, five,
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: six seven corner slash Nichols on the fifty three. And
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: if you're not playing all seven, if you're not playing
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: all six, that becomes a dice, a little dicey. Uh,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: somebody's job security is suddenly looking a little shaky. Possibly, Yeah,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: you would have to think that somebody, as a dor Jackson.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I would think, well, he's coming.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Back because Ringo is a special teamer. Right, Mac McWilliams
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: is a rookie. I don't think they're gonna cut him
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and Jacorey and Bennett is coming back, and you would
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: think that they want to take a look at him.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: They do.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Look, they made it again, they made a trade for him.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Now he just had the worst lucky that both shoulders
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: repaired right when he was with the Raiders and then
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: he has uh pectoral injury. But here's the problem though.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: Let me let me bring this up because you always
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: this is the way teams think, so this has been
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: drilled into me for years.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna mention this. What what if Quinion Mitchell
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: gets hurt? Right, because you're talking about cutting a Droy Jackson.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Where are they going here?
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: The gene outside Okay?
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Which anyway, right, isn't.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: That sort of the benefit of adding someone with inside
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: outside inside out versatility with Michael Carter because a Dori
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: does not have inside out versatility. I mean, he played
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit of Nickel, but I'm never not once
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I think Vic was even asked about this in training
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: camp if they considered it playing him in Nickel and
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: he he poop pooed it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: So yeah, no, But what I'm saying is, if you
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: cut a Droy Jackson, right, let's look forward here and
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Mitchell camp play. So you've got obviously Coop on the outside.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: You really don't want Ringo out there. He can do
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: it for a short period of time.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Let's say it's four weeks, right, Let's say it's a
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: four week injury. You got a problem because you don't
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: have who else are gonna go to your back to
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Ringo again?
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I suppose? So it's tough like you. That's that's two
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: what ifs. It's it's like what if two guys aren't
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: ready to play again? I think you bring in Michael
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Carter because he has inside outside versus could you all right,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: could you wave mac McWilliams and think you can bring
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: him back?
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Oh no, no, he's he's he's a nickel.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: But who they cross ran training camp on the outside
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: and Michael Carter's got minimal outside, He's got minimal outside
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: reps in the NFL.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Well, do you roll the dice then with just seven
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: cornerbacks and try to make a I mean, I'm trying
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: to think who on the f who is the.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Seven corner who are the seven true corners. We're not
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: talking Nickel, No.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: I'm talking corners and Nichols because you don't have seven
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: of either position. I'm just talking about your defensive backs
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: that aren't safeties you.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: Got If you cut Jackson, you've got Cook could play both,
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: but we'll add them to the corner lest You've got Mature,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: two Ringos, three Macquick one of it's really not.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: They don't see him currently as a cornerback, so.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: You would have Coot, Mitchell, Ringo, and Bennett as your
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: as you're outside for as your cornerbacks.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: And Bennett it's not.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: You're right, they absolutely need to take a look at him,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: but they want to take a look on earlier.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: They got hurt.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: They're just there's no question this team can make another
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl run. This is a wide open year. You
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: talk to teams, everybody sees an opporunity because the league
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: is down.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: In terms of overall performance. There are no dominant teams.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Why the hell can't Degals make another run? But if
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you want to, you got to be at your best.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, But then the Carter, you know Carter would give
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: them five though then Carter, because he can play outside,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: would be the fifth.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: But he's really again, he's really not.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: He's he's you're talking about a fourth or fifth corner.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: You're not getting it? Like, all right, then who you're cutting?
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I guess I hear.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: You, but I would keep if you and I are
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: on the show, I keep it Dory Jackson for now.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't cut him.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Okay, experience, I'm saying, put the GM hat on. Keep
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it Dory Jackson. Who goes somebody from a different position?
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: You could, Well, here's here's a spot.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: You gotta open up a spot for Carter, and you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: gotta open up a spot for Bennett.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: They have one open now though it didn't don't they
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: because they cut Nickerson.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Because because of Metchi being traded. You're right, So being
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: traded opens up a spot for Carter, so like that
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: negates it, you're right, So then you just have to
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: open up a spot for Bennett.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Well, Nickerson was cut, he's on the practice squad.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Brandon Graham's gonna come.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Back, Okay, let's right, Well for him, good good call. Right, Well, here's.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Noan Smith is going to come back soon.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Well, AJ Dillon, it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: asked to go to the pre like, hey, could.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: You would you be willing if we're going to release you?
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Agree with you?
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: You could do that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: That's that's the way I would approach it, because if
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: you look at on your point cuttable players. Not cutting
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Darius Cooper. No, he's got a future with a team.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: Remember Dotson's up after the season, right, Uh, Patrick Johnson
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: is a nice job.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah job.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: They're not cutting smile on and they supported special teams
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: he was a draft e right.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Not cutting Sidney Brown and he's playing special team.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: It's not it's important.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, Dylan. But again that so Dylan
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: could be the cut to make room for to keep
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: those seven corners. But then when Nolan Smith is ready,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: then you have to make a move.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And but you're not cutting Brett Tooth after he came
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: out of the blue. Unbelievable.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Get Mike, folks with Jeff and I haven't done our
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: show we did with greg O Sell, but.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm still kind of awe. I popped it,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: you know. I watched the tape after after what I
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: had heard, and then we did the show with Gregor.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, I got to watch this. I don't know what
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: to say other than you can say where the hell's
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: has been? But you know the players. When Andrew and
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: I do the show with Will Shipley uh for WBCB
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: at Chicken Pizze at Roosevelt Boulevard, where Andrew and Andrew
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: and I will be this.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Tuesday, by the way, again Will Will Will was very direct.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: He said, listen, this guy is super smart. He wasn't
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: just saying he wasn't taking the team. Oh you know
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: you help teams play players. Oh, he's kuy smart.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: He was explaining why, and and it resonated with me
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: after watching this because because we talked about it with Greg,
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: his athleticism, knowing where to go, knowing how to do it.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: I just can't explain what the hell he was so
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: bad before that game. I don't know what to tell you,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: but he was so good as a center of up
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: places crazy.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I can't cut him.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: No, he couldn't predict. Yeah, no, you couldn't.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You can't do exactly, Drew Kennell know because he's a drafte.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: No, probably not Matt Pryor. You're still gonna want some
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: on the line. It's tough.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's tough, Queen could you can do the roster tangle.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You could approach the agent say, hey, here's where we're at.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Would he be willing to if we release him, be
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: willing to go to the practice squad? I mean he
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: could do that.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: That's a good point. And if an agent said, yeah,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: but if I get a job, I get a job,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Exactly Yeah, I'm gonna yeah, exactly right.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And then to your point, what if you get injury
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: at right guard, you may not be comfortable. You're not
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: gonna be comfortable playing toe there. Even if Dickerson's back
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: or Jurgons is back, you they're pretty much only played
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: tooth at center and left guard. And I don't I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: just don't know what they would do in that regard.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I would agree with you. So lots of fascinations here.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But by the way, somebody can get hurt
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: between now and then anyway, and we have to see
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: if Nolan Smith is going to come back by the
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Packers game. So there's there's a whole lot that's going
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to go into this as well.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty much it, but it's fascinating. It wasn't
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the corner I was thinking.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Of, Oh, I'm sorry a dB okay, Carter dB sorry Vic. Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I love the way he explains, because man did he
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: brushed back when people called, uh, whoever it was last
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: year Vonky Maddox at corner because no, he's a nickel yeah,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: or whoever was he was talking about.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: He's no, no, no, no, no, he's a nickel. That
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: explained it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: That's that there's no corner to play when you're in.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: No, no, And he explained edges like linebackers are inside players,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: they're true linebackers, where other teams call.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: O l B like I VI calls some O l
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: B s with O l B s or edge rushers,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: so old school. I love that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I'm always call them now now it's nickel edge.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: That was fascinating. What's that?
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: That's the specific stand up edge in a four to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: three front?
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Well, then and and and and he's a run he's
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: a run defender. Though the way he explained it, he's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: not there, he's not there to rush the really interesting.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: He's a bass what's that?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: He's a bass edge, not a nickel edge.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Correct? And are we going to see Jihad rush the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: passer like truly line up as an edge rusher. On
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the ball and Rush I don't know.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think so now not with Graham and and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Nolan Smith probably ready to come.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I don't exactly.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Now that's if b g who did say no expectations,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: because he put that out for a reason.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You gotta see he got it.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: He's got it, he's got a practice, and everybody's got
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to see how he feels and looks.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: You know, you don't know. And then they both had
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: what they both had triceps issues, right, not.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Mistaken, Yes, both trips.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they both had setbacks.
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• 26:47
  Speaker 1: idea if anybody thinks that this means permanent, like Cooper
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to Gene, will a move outside permanently for the rest
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: of this year and then beyond, put pump the brakes
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: on that, because Carter may only be here for this.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Like you, you some of it perfectly. You're trying to
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: win a super Bowl. You're trying to give yourself the
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: best personnel possible. His contract is aligned so that next
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: year he may not be with the team and it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: wouldn't cost the Eagles anything. So and we know Vick's
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: not talking out of both sides of his mouth. He
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: really does love Cooper to Gen as his nickel. And
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: by this time next year they may draft a corner
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: in the first round, an outside corner first round, second round,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: and decide that that's going to be their guy opposite
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Mitchell and Cooper. De Gen goes back to playing slot
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: full time. This is about here the now, and you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: made a great point, and doesn't mean they can't go
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: out and get another outside player on the trade market.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: But I think Howie smart enough to know it's really
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: hard to find a true, good starting cornerback on the
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: trade market without giving up the whole farm, because teams
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: don't want to give those guys away for nothing. So
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you might as well get yourself a good option now,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: and if another one materializes, that's great. If not, we
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: have a better situation than we did before were going
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: into the trade deadline.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Listen, Carter was one of the better nickels, not just
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: young knuckles, one of the best nickels in the NFL
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: for a bit, and then last year started getting this
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: roll cut. And you know, this year, same thing happened,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: and the Jets made it clear to everybody they were
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: moving him. This is the best that they can get,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: so they took it. You guys, get a talented player
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: who's still pretty young. You know, he had the concussion
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: he was he's cleared now, by the way, all trades,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I should say, he did play last week, but all
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: trades are continual player passing the physical.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: So we're assuming he's going to pass it.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if he does, he'll be an eagle. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: then they'll get him into practice.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: I know they were.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: I know they're in for meetings on Monday. But the practice,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: true practice weeks starts Thursday. As you said, it's Thursday, Friday,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: and Saturday. He has the dreaded of Saturday practice because
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: they travel Sunday to get to Green Bay. By the way,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: real quick, when you went to see the Packers, Eagles.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Did you have to take three planes or two?
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: No, just too. I think I would fly from Philly
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: to Milwaukee Milwaukee. Well, a couple of times outam, I
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: stayed in Milwaukewaukeeka drove up because it's you know, it's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: obviously a a it's a more fun city than either
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: staying in Appleton. You can't stay in Green Bay. There's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: nowhere that's already booked up. So you're staying either nearby
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Appleton or there's another town that I'm not thinking of
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that's close either way. But yeah, a couple of times
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I stayed in Milwaukee and would drive up. But the
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: time I did fly in time or two, I believe
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I flew from Philly to Milwaukee or a Philly to
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Chicago and then Chicago or Milwaukee into Green Bay.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. They used to play some of
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: their games in Milwaukee, going back like thirty years ago,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: and then.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: I remember that, Yeah, I remember they do it anymore.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, and that's stating one and great, But
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: the bottom line is they got the Packers and Lions
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: coming up.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: We're really gonna learn about the secondary very very soon.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: So indeed, all right, great, great, Well, we are gonna
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: have some more Inside the Birds content during this bye week.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: We're gonna dour our team self scouting episode coming up.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: We'll go through the offense and the defense in the
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: coming days, so make sure you look out for that.
• 30:01
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• 30:04
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• 30:07
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