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Escaping Lev Tahor: A Jungle Cult Survival Story · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So I want you to imagine that you are standing
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  Speaker 1: right under a traditional Jewish wedding canopy, the Chippah. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it's a scene that, you know, universally it's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be this incredible anchor of joy. You look around,
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  Speaker 1: the community's gathered, people are smiling. On the surface, it's
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  Speaker 1: just a massive celebration.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly, a milestone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But then you look a little closer at the
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  Speaker 1: two people who are actually standing at the altar. And
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  Speaker 1: the groom is, he's a child. He is 16 years old.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. And the bride.
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  Speaker 1: She is also 16. And here is the detail that
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  Speaker 1: just completely shatters the illusion of this whole celebration. They
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  Speaker 1: are looking at each other for the very first time
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  Speaker 1: right now.
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  Speaker 2: First time ever.
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  Speaker 1: First time ever. They have never spoken a single word
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  Speaker 1: to one another. And the only reason they are standing there,
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  Speaker 1: just going through the motions of this ceremony, is because
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  Speaker 1: they have been explicitly threatened with severe punishment if they refuse.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a deeply disturbing image. I mean, what you're
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  Speaker 2: describing is the absolute illusion of a community celebration, but
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  Speaker 2: it's being used to mask this total terrifying coercion.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It is like watching a family home video, but
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  Speaker 1: then slowly realizing you are actually watching a psychological horror film.
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  Speaker 1: Because those smiling paces in the crowd, they aren't there
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  Speaker 1: to support the couple. They are the walls of a prison.
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  Speaker 2: They're enforcing total compliance.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. And the 16-year-old boy under that canopy was
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  Speaker 1: a young man named Yisrael Amir. And his story, which
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  Speaker 1: we are using as our main source today, it's chronicled
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  Speaker 1: in a really deeply detailed investigative report by Rafi Berg
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  Speaker 1: for the BBC. It takes place inside a group called
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  Speaker 1: Lev Tahor.
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, just to ground you in exactly what
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  Speaker 2: we are dealing with today, Lev Tahor translates from Hebrew
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  Speaker 2: as pure heart.
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  Speaker 1: Pure heart, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And on paper, to an outside observer who maybe
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  Speaker 2: just catches a passing glance, They claim to follow this fundamentalist,
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  Speaker 2: ultra-Orthodox version of Judaism. But that is entirely a facade.
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  Speaker 1: A complete mask.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Because through the sworn testimonies of former members like
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  Speaker 2: Yisrael and the definitive findings of multiple international courts, this
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  Speaker 2: group operates as a highly dangerous, high-control cult. And We
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  Speaker 2: aren't talking about something that happened, you know, decades ago
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  Speaker 2: in some remote forgotten era. This is happening right now.
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  Speaker 1: Which is exactly why this isn't a story you can
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  Speaker 1: just listen to passively. The mechanics of what happened to Israel,
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  Speaker 1: they are just vital to understand for this deep dive.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into the actual mechanics of how this happens.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Because I look at a 16-year-old forced into a marriage,
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  Speaker 1: trapped in a jungle compound in Central America, and my
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  Speaker 1: immediate question is, like, how does a child even get there? Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yisrael wasn't born in this Guatemalan jungle. He was actually
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  Speaker 1: born in Israel. But at the age of 12, his
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  Speaker 1: biological father, Shaul, took him and his six siblings and
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  Speaker 1: completely uprooted their entire lives.
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  Speaker 2: And that, the geographical movement of Lev Tahor is actually
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  Speaker 2: the first major red flag in their operational playbook. How so? Well,
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  Speaker 2: before they ever set foot in Guatemala, the group had
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  Speaker 2: been operating in Canada. But they abruptly fled Canada in 2013.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Why? Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because the Canadian authorities had opened investigations into severe child
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  Speaker 2: abuse allegations. And it's important we note here that the
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  Speaker 2: group's leadership has consistently and vehemently denied those allegations. But
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  Speaker 2: rather than face the investigation, they ran.
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  Speaker 1: They just packed up.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, they packed up the entire community and relocated to Guatemala.
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  Speaker 2: And the way they managed to get the children, like
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  Speaker 2: 12-year-old Yisrael, to willingly get on those planes and buses
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  Speaker 2: is just a textbook example of initial stage manipulation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. Yisrael actually remembers the pitch they gave him.
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  Speaker 1: They told this 12-year-old kid that they were moving to a, quote, paradise.
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  Speaker 2: A paradise.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. They specifically promised him that there would be animals
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  Speaker 1: to play with, that it would be this beautiful, idyllic
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  Speaker 1: life out in nature. I mean, they essentially weaponized a
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  Speaker 1: child's imagination against him.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But the second he arrived, the reality was just a
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  Speaker 1: complete sensory shock. I mean, there were no animals to
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  Speaker 1: play with. Instead, Yisrael found himself sleeping on bare stone floors,
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  Speaker 1: and he was being woken up at 3 a.m. every
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  Speaker 1: single day. And here is the part that I simply,
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  Speaker 1: I just cannot reconcile. Upon arrival in this so-called paradise,
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  Speaker 1: the children were immediately separated from their biological parents.
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  Speaker 2: Right away.
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  Speaker 1: Right away. Yisrael and his siblings were taken from their father, Shaul.
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  Speaker 1: They were placed with entirely new families within the group,
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  Speaker 1: and they were strictly forbidden from having any contact with
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  Speaker 1: their real parents. Wait, I have to stop here. Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Because functionally, how does that even work? I mean, if
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  Speaker 1: Shaul is the one who took his seven kids across
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  Speaker 1: the world, how does he just hand them over the
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  Speaker 1: literal moment they arrive?
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to grasp.
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  Speaker 1: Evolutionarily, right? A parent's drive is to protect their offspring.
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  Speaker 1: How do you bypass a parent's own DNA and get
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  Speaker 1: them to agree to this?
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  Speaker 2: It seems completely irrational from the outside, I know, but
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  Speaker 2: you have to understand the step-by-step grooming pipeline that fundamentally
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  Speaker 2: rewrites a parent's internal hierarchy of attachment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, unpack that for me.
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  Speaker 2: So in a high-control group, the biological bond between a
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  Speaker 2: parent and a child is actually the single biggest threat
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  Speaker 2: to the leader's absolute authority.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, because it's a competing loyalty group.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Think about it. A biological bond creates a divided loyalty.
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  Speaker 2: If a child is scared or they're hungry or they're
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  Speaker 2: just confused, who do they look to?
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  Speaker 1: Their mom or dad. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Their mother or father. They don't naturally look to the
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  Speaker 2: cult leader. So the leader has to dismantle that competition. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can't just forcefully rip children away on
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  Speaker 2: day one. The parents would obviously revolt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd have a riot. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Instead, the leadership conditions the adults over time To believe
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  Speaker 2: that the only way to save their child's soul, like
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  Speaker 2: the only way to be a truly righteous parent, is
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  Speaker 2: to submit the child entirely to the group's structural authority.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So they twist the parenting instinct itself.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: By the time they arrive in Guatemala, Shaul's psychology has
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  Speaker 2: been so inverted that he likely views handing over his
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  Speaker 2: children not as an abandonment, but as the ultimate act
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  Speaker 2: of religious devotion.
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  Speaker 1: That is wild.
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  Speaker 2: He has been taught that his biological instincts are selfish.
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  Speaker 2: They're secular. They're flawed. And that the leader's design is divine.
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  Speaker 1: So you completely unmoor this 12-year-old kid. You drop him
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  Speaker 1: into a terrifying environment. You take away his dad. You
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  Speaker 1: take away his siblings. Yisrael said he wasn't even allowed
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  Speaker 1: to speak to the other children in his new assigned family.
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  Speaker 2: The isolation is just absolute.
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  Speaker 1: Total. But it's not just emotional isolation. It is Physical devastation.
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  Speaker 1: We really need to linger on the sheer physical exhaustion
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  Speaker 1: these people were put through. Because waking someone up at
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  Speaker 1: 3 a.m., that isn't just an inconvenience.
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  Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: Yisrael described having to stand for hours and hours, literally
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  Speaker 1: just standing there, listening to the founder of the group,
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  Speaker 1: a man named Shlomo Helbrands, deliver these endless lectures. Yisrael
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  Speaker 1: was so exhausted he would literally fall asleep while standing
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  Speaker 1: on his feet.
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  Speaker 2: And that physical exhaustion, that is the crucial mechanism that
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  Speaker 2: makes the psychological conditioning possible in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: How so? Like scientifically?
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  Speaker 2: Well, sleep deprivation isn't just about making someone tired. From
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  Speaker 2: a neurological standpoint, chronic sleep deprivation systematically breaks down the
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  Speaker 2: prefrontal cortex. Okay. That is the part of your brain
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  Speaker 2: responsible for executive function. It controls critical thinking, evaluating new information.
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  Speaker 2: And most importantly, it's responsible for resisting suggestion.
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  Speaker 1: So it's essentially taking the brain's defense systems completely offline.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. When a 12-year-old is woken up at 3 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: and forced to stand for hours, his brain literally lacks
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  Speaker 2: the metabolic energy to defend itself against the indoctrination that's
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  Speaker 2: being shouted at him.
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  Speaker 1: He literally doesn't have the calories to fight back.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He can't think, wait, this doesn't make sense. He
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  Speaker 2: can only absorb. The exhaustion forces the brain into a
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  Speaker 2: pure survival mode, where compliance is just the path of
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  Speaker 2: least resistance. It is the literal architecture of isolation. You
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  Speaker 2: isolate the mind from its own cognitive defenses.
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  Speaker 1: That is terrifying. But you know, sleep deprivation and indoctrination,
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  Speaker 1: they take immense energy to process and sustain on a
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  Speaker 1: large scale. To ensure the members couldn't fight back mentally,
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  Speaker 1: the leaders had to control the exact flow of information
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  Speaker 1: going into those exhausted brains.
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  Speaker 2: Which is step two.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Which brings us to how Shlomo Helbrand's actually maintained
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  Speaker 1: this total monopoly on truth. Because Yisrael said that Helbrand's
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  Speaker 1: claimed to be a messiah-like figure. Right. He told these
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  Speaker 1: exhausted followers that he had come down from heaven to
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  Speaker 1: mend people and that he possessed supernatural powers.
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  Speaker 2: And when you have successfully degraded your followers' cognitive defenses,
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  Speaker 2: like we just talked about, a claim of supernatural origin
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  Speaker 2: becomes incredibly powerful.
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  Speaker 1: Because they can't logic their way out of it. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If the leader is a divine being sent from heaven,
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  Speaker 2: then his dictates are totally removed from the realm of
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  Speaker 2: human questioning. You aren't arguing with a man at that point.
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  Speaker 2: You are arguing with God.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And to ensure that no one could find any theological
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  Speaker 2: loopholes to challenge him, Hellbrands implemented an incredibly revealing policy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the part of the BBC report that
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  Speaker 1: genuinely made my jaw drop. There was an absolute ban
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  Speaker 1: within Left Tahor on studying the Torah or the Talmud.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And for anyone unfamiliar, these are the holiest, most foundational
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  Speaker 1: texts in Judaism. And the only permitted reading material in
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  Speaker 1: this entire community was Shlomo Helbron's own personal writings, which
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  Speaker 1: the members were forced to literally memorize.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Line by line.
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  Speaker 1: Now, hold on. Let me get this straight. A group
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  Speaker 1: that claims to be the purest, most fundamentalist Jewish sect
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  Speaker 1: in the world completely bans the foundational Jewish texts?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, they do.
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  Speaker 1: That makes zero sense to me. That's like a strict
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  Speaker 1: constitutionalist society banning the reading of the Constitution. Why on
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  Speaker 1: earth would a leader who claims his authority comes from
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  Speaker 1: a religion ban the text of that exact religion?
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  Speaker 2: Because of the profound threat posed by what sociologists and
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  Speaker 2: historians call open texts.
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  Speaker 1: Open texts.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. An open text is any document that exists independently
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  Speaker 2: of the leader.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And it could be read, analyzed and interpreted by the individual.
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  Speaker 2: It could be the Torah. It could be the Bible,
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  Speaker 2: the Koran or Yes, a secular document like a constitution.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm following.
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  Speaker 2: The immense danger for Hellbrands was that if the members
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  Speaker 2: of Lev Tor actually read the Torah themselves, they might
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  Speaker 2: interpret it differently than he did.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: Right? They might find passages that emphasize compassion over cruelty
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  Speaker 2: or family bonds over isolation.
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  Speaker 1: They might realize his behavior blatantly contradicts the very religion
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  Speaker 1: he claims to represent.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, Yisrael had a quote in the report that completely
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  Speaker 1: validates what you're saying. He said that if they had
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  Speaker 1: been allowed to study those texts, it, quote, would have
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  Speaker 1: opened our minds.
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  Speaker 2: And an open mind is the ultimate enemy of a
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  Speaker 2: closed system. Banning the Torah wasn't a religious decision at all.
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  Speaker 2: It was a highly tactical one. In any totalitarian environment,
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  Speaker 2: interpretive authority is a direct threat to power.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you see that everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: If you look at authoritarian regimes throughout history, what is
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  Speaker 2: the very first thing they do? They don't necessarily start
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  Speaker 2: by rolling tanks down the street. They start by burning books.
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  Speaker 1: Right. They restrict the info.
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  Speaker 2: They restrict access to external philosophy. They shut down independent newspapers.
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  Speaker 2: By banning the foundational texts and replacing them exclusively with
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  Speaker 2: his own writings, Halperin's achieved a complete airtight monopoly on truth.
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  Speaker 2: He functionally became the only filter through which his followers
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  Speaker 2: could understand the universe, understand God, and understand their own reality.
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  Speaker 1: So he created this closed loop system in their brains.
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  Speaker 1: And I guess, yeah, if you control the information feed entirely,
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  Speaker 1: you don't ever have to worry about arguing with dissenting
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  Speaker 1: opinions because those opinions literally do not exist in the
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  Speaker 1: vocabulary of your followers.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You shrink the boundaries of their thought. If they
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  Speaker 2: don't have the words or the concepts to even form
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  Speaker 2: a rebellion in their minds, they can never form one
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  Speaker 2: in reality.
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  Speaker 1: Man. But keeping people in that state of constant mental
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  Speaker 1: fog requires keeping their physical bodies weak, too. We talked
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  Speaker 1: about the sleep deprivation, but the physical control went so
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  Speaker 1: much deeper. We have to talk about the nutritional control.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the diet.
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  Speaker 1: Because the members weren't just tired. They were systematically starved
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  Speaker 1: of specific nutrients. For the regular members of the group, meat, fish,
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  Speaker 1: and eggs were completely banned. Right. And the official justification
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  Speaker 1: the leadership gave was that, quote unquote, genetic engineering had
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  Speaker 1: tainted the global food supply, making these foods unkosher and
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  Speaker 1: therefore prohibited.
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  Speaker 2: But the hypocrisy of that rule completely exposes the underlying mechanism.
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  Speaker 2: While the followers were denied these fundamental sources of protein
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  Speaker 2: and fat, Shlomo Helbrons himself ate everything.
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  Speaker 1: Naturally.
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  Speaker 2: He ate the eggs, he ate the fish, the meat.
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  Speaker 2: And when questioned, though, you know, questioning was obviously incredibly dangerous,
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  Speaker 2: his justification was that he needed it for his health.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a supernatural being from heaven, but my earthly vessel really,
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  Speaker 1: really needs this omelet. It's just infuriating.
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  Speaker 2: It really is.
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  Speaker 1: But Yisrael noted that as he grew older, he realized
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  Speaker 1: the whole genetic engineering excuse was total garbage. The true
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  Speaker 1: motive was intentional protein deprivation.
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  Speaker 2: And the physiological impact of that is severe. When you
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  Speaker 2: systematically deny a human body essential proteins, amino acids, and
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  Speaker 2: healthy fats, you are actively degrading their nervous system.
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  Speaker 1: Like it physically breaks down. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Their cognitive function slows down. Their emotional resilience just vanishes.
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  Speaker 2: They become incredibly lethargic. You are keeping the entire population
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  Speaker 2: in a constant state of low-grade starvation.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And that ensures they literally do not have the muscular
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  Speaker 2: or metabolic energy required to muster a physical escape or
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  Speaker 2: a violent resistance. It is pacification through malnutrition.
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  Speaker 1: And that pacification, it extended to how they were forced
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  Speaker 1: to physically present themselves to the world, too. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if you have ever seen photos of Lev Tahor in
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  Speaker 1: the media, you know exactly what I am talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, the imagery is striking.
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  Speaker 1: It's the reason the press gave them the nickname the
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  Speaker 1: Jewish Taliban. The females in this group, starting from the
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  Speaker 1: unfathomably young age of three years old, were forced to
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  Speaker 1: wear full body cloaks.
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  Speaker 2: Three years old?
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  Speaker 1: Three. The garments covered absolutely everything. When they were in public,
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  Speaker 1: literally only their eyes were visible. The group claimed this
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  Speaker 1: was about modesty, but I mean, modesty is a choice.
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  Speaker 1: This was about the total suppression of identity.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: And that suppression of voice brings us to a story
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  Speaker 1: about Yisrael's sister that is just, honestly, it is one
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  Speaker 1: of the most haunting details in this entire deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: The silencing of his sister really reveals the true depth
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  Speaker 2: of the psychological violence being utilized here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yisrael's sister was forced to marry a 19-year-old man
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  Speaker 1: when she was only 13 years old.
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  Speaker 2: A literal child.
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  Speaker 1: She was a child. And naturally, because she is a
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  Speaker 1: child being forced into an unimaginable, terrifying situation, she cried
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  Speaker 1: at the wedding. And because she cried, the leadership punished her.
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  Speaker 1: They banned her from speaking for an entire year.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to even fathom.
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  Speaker 1: For 12 months, a 13-year-old girl was not allowed to
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  Speaker 1: vocalize a single sound. She couldn't ask for food. She
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  Speaker 1: couldn't ask for water. She couldn't even ask to use
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  Speaker 1: the toilet.
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  Speaker 2: And the developmental damage of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yisrael said she suffered permanent speech issues afterward. And if
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  Speaker 1: that wasn't horrific enough, the children in this group were
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  Speaker 1: routinely beaten for minor infractions. And the sickest detail of all,
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  Speaker 1: after being beaten, the children were forced to explicitly thank
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  Speaker 1: their tormentors.
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  Speaker 2: That detail, the forced gratitude. is not just cruelty for
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  Speaker 2: cruelty's sake, as horrific as it is. It is a
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  Speaker 2: highly calculated, highly effective psychological mechanism designed to completely dismantle
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  Speaker 2: a person's internal reality.
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  Speaker 1: But why? I mean, making a child thank the person
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  Speaker 1: who is actively hitting them, that goes so far beyond
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  Speaker 1: physical pain. I can't even wrap my head around the
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  Speaker 1: damage that that does to a kid's brain. Right.
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  Speaker 2: To understand how damaging it is, we have to look
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  Speaker 2: at the mechanism of cognitive dissonance. Normally, cognitive dissonance is
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  Speaker 2: the severe mental discomfort a person feels when their beliefs
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  Speaker 2: contradict their actions or their environment.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so like a clash in your head.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Okay. In a healthy nervous system, if someone hits you,
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  Speaker 2: your brain instantly registers. This person is causing me pain.
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  Speaker 2: This person is a threat. I must protect myself.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Fight or flight.
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  Speaker 2: But if that same child is forced to immediately say
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  Speaker 2: thank you to the abuser, their brain is thrown into
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: an agonizing conflict. The physical pain says, this is bad.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: But their own vocalized words are saying, this is a gift.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: And the brain can't hold those two conflicting realities at
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: the exact same time.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: It cannot. The psychological stress of holding those two truths
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: is just unbearable. So to survive the stress, the brain
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: literally rewrites its own perception of reality.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Because the child cannot escape the physical abuse, their brain
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: alters their belief to match their forced behavior. The child's
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: subconscious concludes, well, if I am thanking them, they must
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: be doing something good for me. Therefore, I must be
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: inherently bad. I must be sinful, and this beating is
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: a necessary loving correction that I desperately need.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. It just scrambles their entire internal moral compass.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It completely severs their ability to trust their own senses.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: They can no longer distinguish between pain and care, between
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: abuse and love. They become entirely dependent on the abuser
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to define reality for them.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: They don't even know it's real anymore.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They are no longer victims in their own minds.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: They are broken vessels receiving purification. That is how you
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: achieve total compliance. You don't just control their actions. You
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: force them to police their own thoughts.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: And this is where the narrative descends into the absolute
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: darkest secrets of the compound, because we have to transition
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: from this daily systemic abuse, the starvation, the forced silence,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the physical beatings, to the most heinous crimes alleged against
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: the leadership. Right. And it's these specific horrors that eventually
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: pushed Yisrael to risk everything. Now, before we detail this,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it is absolutely crucial that we maintain impartiality based on
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the BBC source material.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's very important context.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: The current spokesman for Lev Tahor completely, utterly denies all
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: of these accusations. However, these allegations are supported by sworn
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: statements made to Central American authorities and testimonies gathered by
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: the Lev Tahor Survivors Group. Right.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: We are discussing allegations of profound systemic abuse that former
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: members claim were deeply, heavily embedded in the daily life
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: of the compound.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: So Yisrael stated that he personally saw Shlomo Helbrands and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: another prominent leader taking boys, boys as young as eight
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: years old, into his private room on a daily basis.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Eight years old.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Following these visits, Helbrands would reportedly send those young boys
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: to the mikveh, which is a traditional ritual bath used
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in Judaism for spiritual purification. Yisrael noted that as a child,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, he didn't grasp the implications of what he
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: was witnessing. But as he grew older, the horrifying reality
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: became clear to him. He noted that within the close
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: ranks of the group, both boys and girls spoke quietly
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: of being sexually abused, of being raped.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: The alleged use of the mikvah in this specific context
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: is perhaps the most grotesque subversion of religious practice imaginable.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: How so? Well, you have a ritual bath that is
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: designed for spiritual renewal and purity. But here it is
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: allegedly being weaponized to wash away the physical evidence of
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: horrific crimes while simultaneously attempting to psychologically cleanse or, you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: rationalize the abuse in the minds of the victims and
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: the perpetrators.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: It is framing an absolute atrocity as a spiritual necessity.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: That is just chilling. The founder, Shlomo Helbrens, actually died
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: in 2017. He drowned in a river in Mexico. And
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: you would think, listening to this, that the death of
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: the architect of this nightmare might bring some relief to
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the people trapped inside.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: You would hope so.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: But the reality was the exact opposite. His son, Nachman,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: immediately took over the leadership. And U.S. court documents describe
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Nachman as being even, quote, More extreme than his father.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: It got worse.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The grip on the members didn't loosen. It tightened drastically.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: But in the midst of this escalating darkness, a turning
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: point finally arrives for Yisrael. His wife, Malke, the girl
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: he was forced to marry at 16, she gave birth
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to a baby boy.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: A huge moment.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: They named him Nevo. And the birth of this child
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: triggered something deep within Yisrael. A primal instinct to protect
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: his son just overrode all that conditioning, and he decided... definitively,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that he had to escape.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: And this moment is profoundly important for understanding human psychology.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: We have just spent, what, the last 20 minutes detailing
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: how meticulously, how scientifically this group dismantled the autonomy of
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: its members.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Right, the starvation, the sleep deprivation.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: They broke biological bonds. They starved them. They destroyed their
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: prefrontal cortexes. They scrambled their moral compasses with forced cognitive dissonance.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: And yet... The evolutionary biological imperative of a parent to
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: protect their offspring is so ancient, so deeply hardwired into
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: our DNA, that it can suddenly surge forward and pierce
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: through years of the most intense brainwashing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: That's incredible. But I keep asking myself, even if he
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: has that realization, functionally, how does he even begin to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: execute an escape?
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Logistically, it's a nightmare.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, think about his reality. He has been
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: completely cut off from the modern world for five years.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: He was taken there as a 12-year-old kid. He is
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a teenager now. He essentially doesn't even know what year
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: it is on the outside.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: No context for the world.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: He has no money. He has no connections. He doesn't
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: understand how modern society operates. The psychological barrier alone must
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: have been insurmountable.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: He was definitely suffering from what psychologists call learned helplessness.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: So When an animal or a human is subjected to repeated,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: inescapable trauma, they eventually stop trying to escape, even when
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: an obvious opportunity presents itself.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Because they just give up.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: They learn that their actions have absolutely no effect on
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: their environment. Yisrael had been conditioned to believe he had
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: zero agency, that the outside world was a demonic wasteland,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and that the leaders possessed supernatural omniscience and would just
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: know his every move.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So how does he break that learned helplessness if it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that ingrained?
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: The shift happens entirely because his focus moved from his
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: own survival to the survival of his son. Wow. When
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: he was just a son who was being victimized, he
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: had been conditioned to accept the suffering. But the literal
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: moment he became a father, the psychological landscape inverted. The
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: biological alarm bells screaming at him to prevent the suffering
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of his infant were suddenly louder than the programmed voice
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: of the cult leader.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: That is so powerful.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: That spark of parental rebellion is often the only force
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: powerful enough to shatter learned helplessness.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And that exact spark leads us to what is, without
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a doubt, the most thrilling and frankly surreal sequence in
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: this entire story. It is the bridge between his internal
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: realization and his physical breakout. And it all hinges on
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: a completely mundane errand.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this part is amazing.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yisroel was sent by the leaders to an internet store
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: in a nearby town called Oratorio. He was just supposed
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: to print a document. He walks into this little store
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: and he sees a computer sitting on a desk.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Just a normal computer.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Right. Now, he vaguely remembered what a computer looked like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: from his childhood back in Israel before he was taken.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: But he had absolutely no idea how to operate it. None.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: He didn't know how to use a mouse. He didn't
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: know what a browser was. He actually had to ask
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: the store owner for help.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Just put yourself in the sheer vulnerability of that moment.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: He is stepping out of a tightly controlled, terrified environment.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: And he has to ask a complete stranger, someone he
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: has been explicitly taught is an evil, worldly agent of corruption,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to help him interact with a glowing machine he doesn't understand.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: The store owner sits down and helps him. He introduces
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yisrael to a website called Google.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I really want to pause and emphasize this. We are
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: talking about the late 2010s, and this young man is
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: learning about the existence of a search engine for the
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: very first time. Yisrael types in the words, Lev Tahor.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: And his whole world changes.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: And the page loads. And what he sees on that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: screen is an absolute sensory and cognitive overload. He finds articles,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: news reports, independent investigations, all confirming the terrifying thought he
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: had secretly harbored for years. That his entire life, his
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: entire community, was a cult.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: The validation must have been staggering.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: But more importantly... The search results showed him news reports
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: about his aunt Orit back in Israel. He discovered that
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: she was actively campaigning, actively fighting to rescue their family.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: He had assumed for years that she had simply forgotten
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: about them.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: This is a monumental collision of realities for him. In
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a fraction of a second, the cult's entire monopoly on
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: truth is just vaporized. We talked earlier about the threat
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of open texts.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Right, the Torah ban.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The internet is the ultimate threat. unfiltered open text.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: For five years, Israel's entire understanding of the universe was
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: defined strictly by the physical boundaries of that jungle compound
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: and the permitted words of Shlomo Helbrus. With a few keystrokes,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: that boundary evaporated.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It is like, think of it as an administrative override
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: in a heavily restricted software system. The cult built this
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: incredibly restrictive user interface for his brain that where he
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: could only see and interact with what they allowed.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: But Google gave him access to the raw code of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the outside world. It bypassed the cult's interface entirely. I
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: really want you, you know, the listener, to think about
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: how casually we treat a Google search.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: We don't even think about it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: We pull out our phones at dinner to settle a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: trivial debate about an actor's age. We use it to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: find a recipe. For Yisrael, a single Google search was
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a matter of actual life and death. it fundamentally rewired
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: his understanding of the universe in an instant.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And once that door in the mind is opened, it
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: cannot be closed. He suddenly had empirical proof that the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: leaders were not supernatural, that the outside world was not
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: universally evil, and most importantly, that he was not alone.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He finds Antorit's email address in one of the articles.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: He manages to send her a message. You can imagine
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: her shock receiving that.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, I can't even imagine.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: They begin to communicate secretly. Every time Yisrael is sent
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: on an errand to town... He risks his life to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: contact her. He secretly works odd jobs, hides the money,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and eventually buys a cheap mobile phone. And then he
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: finally calls her. He said that hearing her actual voice
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: on the other end of the line gave him the
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: final surge of courage he needed to actually run.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: We have to acknowledge the immense, almost unimaginable terror he
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: must have felt in those days. The fear of being
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: caught with that phone. The fear of communicating with the
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: outside world in his mind. He was risking not just
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: physical punishment, but eternal divine damnation.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: But he makes his move. One night, under the cover
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of darkness, he simply slips out the gate of the compound.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: He runs. He runs for 15 minutes straight through the dense,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: pitch black jungle until he hits a main highway.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Incredible.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: He manages to flag down a bus and takes it
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: to Guatemala City, which is two hours away. He is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: sitting on this bus, terrified. That at any moment, members
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: of the sect are going to board the bus and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: drag him back.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: His heart must have been pounding out of his chest.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: He eventually makes it to a safe house and meets
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Aunt Orit. But the detail about their reunion just breaks
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: my heart. When she walked into the room, he didn't
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: recognize her at first. And when he finally realized it
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: was his aunt, his flesh and blood, he was physically
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: afraid to hug her. Yeah. Why? Because she was wearing
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: normal clothes. She wasn't dressed in the suffocating full body
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: cloaks the women in Leftahore wore. And his conditioning told
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: him that touching a woman who wasn't his wife, especially
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: one dressed immodestly, was a severe sin. His physical body
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: was out of the compound, but his nervous system was
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: still completely trapped in their rules.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: That reaction is a perfect, tragic illustration of how trauma
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: is stored in the body. Physical escape is just geography.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: You can cross a border, you can run through a jungle,
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: but the psychological programming, the deep ingrained phobias, the fear
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: of divine retribution, that doesn't just magically evaporate.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Right. It's wired in.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: The mind's alarm systems are still miscalibrated. To his nervous system,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: hugging his aunt felt as dangerous as touching a hot stove.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: It is a heavy realization. Yisrael made it out, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: to do it, he had to make an impossible, agonizing choice.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: He had to leave his infant son Nevo behind.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Which is devastating.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Initially, he refused to go without him, but Orit convinced
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: him that he had to save himself first. And she
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: promised him, she literally swore to him, that they would
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: come back for the boy. So they travel back to Israel.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yisrael is 19 years old, and he says he basically
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: had to start his entire life from zero.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a 19-year-old newborn.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: He didn't know how to interact with people. He didn't
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: know how to make a friend. He even had to
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: relearn modern Hebrew because the cult spoke Yiddish to isolate
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: them further. But he and Orit never forgot their promise.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: They spent years trying multiple times to get Nebo back.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: And that relentless pursuit leads us to the jungle raid
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: and the discovery of a directive so chilling, it defies belief.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: This is where the narrative really scales up from a
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: personal story of escape to a high stakes geopolitical rescue operation. Right.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Last September, a major tactical move was finally made against
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: the group. An elite Mexican police unit raided a Lev
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Tahor hideout located deep in the Chiapas state of Mexico,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: where a faction of the group had secretly relocated.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And we aren't just talking about local beat cops executing
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: a search warrant. This Mexican police unit was backed by
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a covert, undercover four-man team from Israel. The team consisted
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: of former Mossad agents, an ex-police officer, and a specialized lawyer.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: That is some serious firepower.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It is wild to think about the friction there. These
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: highly trained ex-spies navigating the Mexican jungle to dismantle a
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: fundamentalist sect. The raid itself was officially authorized by a
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: state judge in Mexico who had been compiling evidence of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: organized crime, drug trafficking, and systemic rape within the group.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: But while they were executing this raid, the authorities discovered
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a document. And this document elevates the entire situation from
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a story about an abusive cult to the brink of
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a historic mass tragedy.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: The document was a formal written directive from a group leader.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: It was supposedly a relay of instructions, originally decreed by
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: the late founder, Shlomo Helbruns. It was a step-by-step manual,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: specifically written for the mothers within the group. It detailed
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: exactly what they were ordered to do if welfare services, police,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: or any outside authorities ever breached the compound to take
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: the children away.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: I am going to read you the direct translation of
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: this document because the specific language they use is vital
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to understand. The document says, quote, Let's just... literally killed
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: their own children. It specified that they were to use poison.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: The document coldly, clinically stated that the murder must be
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: done in a way that the children don't suffer nor
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: disfigure their body.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Horrifying.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: It explicitly said the poison must be administered immediately without
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: explaining to the child what it is so as not
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to frighten them. And then once the child was dead,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the document instructed the mothers to kill themselves.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: It is extremely difficult. to fully articulate the profound darkness
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: of finding a document like that.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: This was not just some vague hypothetical contingency plan. This
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: was a loaded gun. This was a Jonestown-level mass slaughter
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: just waiting for the trigger to be pulled. The leadership
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: was literally weaponizing the very concept of a mother's love.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: They were framing the murder of a child not as
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: an act of violence, but as an act of profound protection.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: They were calling it Protecting the pure spirit of the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: children from the cursed outsiders.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: If we analyze the perverse inversion of language used in
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: that document, you know, the idea that the outside world
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: would desecrate the spirit, we see the ultimate terrifying logical
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: conclusion of any high control group.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: For the leadership of love to whore, absolute control is
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the only metric of success. Human life itself is completely
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: secondary to maintaining that control. The ideology dictates that the
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: outside world is so irredeemably corrupt, so fundamentally demonic, that
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: death is actually preferable to integration. They reached a point
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: where they would rather literally destroy their own population, convince
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: mothers to poison their own sleeping infants, than relinquish an
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: ounce of control to the secular authorities. It is the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: absolute pinnacle of coercive power, successfully overriding the most fundamental
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: baseline human instinct for survival.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Thank God. Thank God the authorities intervened with the speed
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: they did. During the raid, they separated the children immediately
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: as a rapid precaution, likely preventing that exact protocol from
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: being initiated. Because of that raid, Yisrael's son Nevo was
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: among the children brought out of the compound.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Huge victory.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: And the reunion between Yisrael and his son is incredibly bittersweet.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Yisrael said he broke down and cried when he finally
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: held him. But he noted that little Nevo was remarkably calm.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Yisrael said, I'm sure he felt that I was his father.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: They finally fulfilled their promise. He got his boy back.
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  Speaker 2: It's a beautiful moment. It is.
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  Speaker 1: But real life doesn't operate like a Hollywood movie. There
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: isn't always a clean, perfectly resolved ending where the credits
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: roll and everyone is safe. We have to look at
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: the bitter aftermath of this raid and the sheer maddening
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: complexity of pursuing justice in these situations.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Because the tragedy of this story is far from over.
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  Speaker 2: While Neville was successfully rescued, Yisrael's wife, Malka, the mother
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  Speaker 2: of his child, refused to leave.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: During the raid, she was evacuated by the authorities and
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: taken to a secure government shelter in Mexico, along with
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: about two dozen other members of the group. But she
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: did not stay. Just five days later, Malka and the
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: others coordinated an escape. They literally overpowered the shelter guards,
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  Speaker 2: broke out, and fled back into the jungle to rejoin
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  Speaker 2: the cult.
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  Speaker 1: It is incredibly frustrating to hear that. I mean, my
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: immediate reaction is just, why? We rescued her. She was out.
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  Speaker 1: How does a mother walk away from the people who
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: just rescued her child and willingly run back to the
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: very leaders who literally wrote a manual on how she
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: should poison him? It makes no sense.
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  Speaker 2: It makes no sense to us. Because we view the
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: shelter as freedom and the compound as a prison. But
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: you have to understand Malky's reality. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Frame it for me.
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  Speaker 2: We talked earlier about how terrified Yitzchak was to simply
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: hug his aunt. Escaping physical confinement is only a fraction
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: of the battle. The psychological prison is infinitely more resilient.
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  Speaker 2: To Malky, the Mexican police, the Israeli rescue team, the
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: social workers at the shelter, they were not saviors.
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  Speaker 1: What were they?
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  Speaker 2: Her lifelong conditioning dictated that these people were literal, demonic
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  Speaker 2: agents sent to tear her away from God and damn
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: her soul for eternity.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: So to her, the shelter was... The actual nightmare?
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. The cult is the only reality, the only structure
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: of safety she has ever known. The secular world is
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: a terrifying, chaotic void of sin. When she overpowered those guards,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: she didn't believe she was escaping to captivity. In her mind,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: she believed she was escaping from the devil to return
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to the only righteous path available. Freedom, to a deeply
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: conditioned mind, looks like terror.
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  Speaker 1: It just highlights how deep the roots of that manipulation
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: actually go. You can break down the physical walls, but
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: you can't just snap your fingers and dismantle the walls
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: in their minds. And if that psychological tragedy wasn't enough,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: there is the infuriating legal collapse that followed the raid.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Yes, the legal side.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Because two of the top leaders were arrested during that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: operation on suspicion of human trafficking and serious sexual offenses.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: But they didn't face a trial. They didn't face justice.
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  Speaker 1: A local Mexican judge quietly freed them and completely closed
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: the case.
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  Speaker 2: And here again, for the sake of strict impartiality, we
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: must include the response from the group itself. The left
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: to horse spokesman, Uriel Goldman, has completely denied all the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: accusations of abuse.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Right. Their official stance.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: He told the BBC that the group is entirely innocent
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: and is simply the victim of relentless religious persecutions. And
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: he pointed directly to that local judge's decision to drop
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the charges and close the case as the greatest evidence
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: of their innocence.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But there's a catch there.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. However, it has been widely reported by sources close
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: to the international investigation that the local judge who freed
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: those leaders was never actually presented with the bulk of
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the federal evidence that had been painstakingly gathered by the
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: special prosecutor for organized crime.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It is maddening. You hear this story, you read the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: translation of the mass suicide document, you hear the sworn
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: testimonies of the survivors, you see the geopolitical effort it
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: took to raid the compound, and then the local legal
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: system just shrugs and lets the leaders walk away?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: It's a massive failure.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: How does a group with that much obvious smoke surrounding
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: them just evade justice so entirely?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: It perfectly highlights the extreme vulnerabilities of local legal systems
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: when they're forced to deal with sophisticated transnational groups. You
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: have massive issues of jurisdiction. You have the potential for
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: local corruption. And you have severe breakdowns in communication between
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: federal intelligence and local magistrates.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Just logistical nightmares.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: But beyond the logistical failures, cults are often incredibly adept
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: at using the language of human rights against the very
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: societies trying to investigate them.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Wait, they use the law as a shield?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They use claims of religious persecution as an incredibly
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: effective defense mechanism. When authorities try to investigate allegations of abuse,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the group immediately claims their religious freedom is under attack.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I see.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: In democratic countries that highly value religious liberty, that claim
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: makes legal systems incredibly hesitant to proceed aggressively for fear
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of appearing discriminatory. The cult weaponizes the tolerance of the
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: outside world to protect their own intolerance.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: So the system fails, the leaders walk free, and the group,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: including Malka and the others who fled the shelter, have
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: reportedly since returned to Guatemala. The cycle of isolation continues.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Sadly, yes.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: But amidst that ongoing, unresolved tragedy, there is a profound,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: undeniable victory for one individual. We have to bring this
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: story back to Yisrael today, because his trajectory is just incredible.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He is living near Tel Aviv now. He's raising his
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: son Nevo in freedom.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: A completely different life.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: And there is this beautiful, almost poetic irony to what
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: he has chosen to do with his life. Remember, this
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: is a young man who was strictly forbidden from touching
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: modern technology, who didn't even have the vocabulary to know
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: what a computer was until he stumbled into that internet cafe. Right. Today,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Yisrael is studying computer science at Bar-Ilan University. He is
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: training to become a software engineer. His quote at the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: end of the article is just perfect. He says, after that,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: the sky's the limit.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It is a truly remarkable testament to the resilience of
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: the human mind. And leadership of Lev Tahor tried to
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: keep him in the absolute dark. And now he is
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: literally learning the underlying code that builds the digital world. Exactly.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: If we distill the major takeaways from everything we have
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: unpacked today, we are looking at a stark, powerful duality.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: On one hand, we see the terrifying fragility of human autonomy.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: We see exactly how easily a human mind can be
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: broken down, rewritten, and controlled through a combination of physical exhaustion,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: forced cognitive dissonance, and isolated information flows.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: It's fragile.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, we witness the unstoppable, overriding
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: force of parental love and the deep, inherent human desire
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: for objective truth.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: It is incredible to think about. Yisrael's entire life and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: his son's life were saved because of a single, fleeting
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: interaction with a piece of technology, a computer, and a
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Google search that he didn't even know how to use.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: That one moment.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: And that leaves me with a philosophical thought that I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: really want you, the listener, to mull over as we
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: end this deep dive. We live in a completely hyper-connected
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: modern world. We are constantly complaining about our screen time,
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: about algorithm fatigue, about the exhaustion of information overload.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: We complain about it all the time.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: We view the internet as a burden half the time.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: But Are we taking for granted that our unfettered access
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: to a massive diversity of information is actually the strongest,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: most vital shield we have against tyranny?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Think back to the image we started with. A 16-year-old boy,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: trapped under the wedding canopy, terrified, with a completely fabricated
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: reality forced upon his mind. The only thing that broke
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that reality, the only thing that shattered the walls of
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: his prison, was unrestricted access to outside knowledge.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: The open text.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Next time you pull out your phone to do a
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: mundane internet search, ask yourself, what would your reality actually
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: look like if someone else controlled the results? Thank you
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: so much for joining us on this deep dive into
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Yisrael's story, the mechanics of coercive control, and the incredible
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: fight for autonomy. We appreciate you being here.