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JFK ASSASSINATION - EP. 400 - 40 Arce's And A Mule · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: What what.
• 0:24
  Speaker 2: Four hundred episodes deep, and you still bring the heat.
• 0:29
  Speaker 3: Far spread across the table, old clues on repeat, Big Bat,
• 0:36
  Speaker 3: Bob in the corner, Joby calling up the smoke, every
• 0:41
  Speaker 3: rabbit hole, God bruised up, every fake, Let God broke.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: You chase the bag portrail, You chase the higher lies
• 0:51
  Speaker 2: from the grassy doll to the headlines.
• 0:54
  Speaker 4: You keep those questions alive.
• 0:58
  Speaker 5: Again, let the whole Thanks man for utre forted, log on,
• 1:07
  Speaker 5: Man on the run for hundred for Hunted, still haunted?
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: What was done?
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  Speaker 5: Take that, Bob, tell me Jean.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: Answer yoo for hundred for Hunted the fun for you.
• 1:27
  Speaker 5: By by.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: You don't do the grin and the grin of everybody's
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  Speaker 2: official line never sealed a fold of sweating every.
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  Speaker 3: Story out of time, not for the.
• 1:47
  Speaker 6: Easy answer, not for the lazy shrug.
• 1:52
  Speaker 3: You pick the dust off the cover up and pull
• 1:54
  Speaker 3: the thread from the rug dust.
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: Still talk back, every angle, every name, and you keep
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  Speaker 2: the air buzzing like a mackshum Baba flame and let
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: the record roll.
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  Speaker 5: I take the system side.
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: Four hundred for.
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  Speaker 5: Hunted loved one Man on the run, four hundred for hundred,
• 2:23
  Speaker 5: still Haunting? What was done, make bad, Mom, tell me
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  Speaker 5: jeep back true yeo four hundred hot.
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  Speaker 4: This what are you?
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: Raise a glass, raise a record till the late nights
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  Speaker 2: look being true?
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  Speaker 4: From the files to the falls, you.
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  Speaker 7: Made the strange things true.
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  Speaker 4: One more spin, one more question.
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  Speaker 5: One more crack in the wall.
• 2:54
  Speaker 7: If the jumper roup jeeps.
• 2:56
  Speaker 3: Talking, you'll be there to hear it.
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  Speaker 5: Charles four hundred funt lockdown, man on the run, four
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  Speaker 5: hundred fta.
• 3:09
  Speaker 7: Stay hanted, what what's done?
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  Speaker 1: Dang that bob so big jeep, that.
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  Speaker 5: Yellow four hundred ft that's why fuck four hundred ftat hands.
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  Speaker 2: Up, singing sound four hundred hontact.
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  Speaker 5: Dang that shot ta crop, Dang that bom so big jeep,
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  Speaker 5: that side yellow four hundred for.
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  Speaker 1: That's why fuck.
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  Speaker 5: Yet right.
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  Speaker 1: By with.
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  Speaker 8: Danny Gussia j A C I A C A C
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  Speaker 8: E Address twenty two sixteen North fits Hugh, I thought.
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  Speaker 4: You were playing something there for a second, Joe. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: that's a slight preview of something soon to come. But
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  Speaker 4: before we get there, Happy four hundred sir, Happy four
• 4:37
  Speaker 4: hundredth Joe, I have had to come out with a
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  Speaker 4: special banger of a fucking entrance song for the night
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  Speaker 4: because it's a special occasion.
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  Speaker 7: That was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: I hope you enjoyed. I know I did. Good Lord,
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  Speaker 4: we will get to all of you in just one second.
• 4:59
  Speaker 4: I hear little cash register rings all over the fucking place.
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: You guys freaking rule. Uh yeah, you just say something first,
• 5:09
  Speaker 4: real quick, Joe out of the way, Okay, dude. Four
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  Speaker 4: hundred episodes is a lot that's all been doing this
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  Speaker 4: show for twelve years. That's a long time, and not
• 5:30
  Speaker 4: really at a breakneck pace.
• 5:31
  Speaker 5: You know.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not like Robbie on Out of the Blank, where
• 5:34
  Speaker 4: we're in an episode of two thousand or something. I
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  Speaker 4: think he does the show every day. You couldn't do that.
• 5:39
  Speaker 7: Well, I'm close.
• 5:42
  Speaker 4: More power to him. But four hundred for a show
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  Speaker 4: exclusively about this topic is crazy. And for this show
• 5:53
  Speaker 4: to have evolved into what it was into what it
• 5:55
  Speaker 4: is and who knows what it will become in the future. Sure,
• 6:01
  Speaker 4: it's awesome, and a lot of you folks were here
• 6:04
  Speaker 4: for the three hundredths. We had a little diddy party,
• 6:07
  Speaker 4: you know, for everybody. Tonight, we're going to bring you
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  Speaker 4: some actual research and a banger of a show. It's
• 6:17
  Speaker 4: just not going to be a circle jerk, because you
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: know we did that already. So we wanted to give
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  Speaker 4: you something special, something we've never talked about on the
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  Speaker 4: show before, something we somebody we haven't looked into the show,
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  Speaker 4: haven't looked into on the show before, and bring you
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  Speaker 4: some interesting information. So Joe, before we do, please welcome
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  Speaker 4: in this kaffusery here this evening.
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  Speaker 7: Well, there's a lot, but I just want to say
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  Speaker 7: a couple of quick words. Yes, about the four hundredth
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  Speaker 7: do you know what number episode Trey, don't give it
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  Speaker 7: away that your boy came on the show and we
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  Speaker 7: took this show live on YouTube. You got to take
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  Speaker 7: a guess.
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  Speaker 4: Two forty seven.
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  Speaker 7: I respect the answer to sixty one that it was close.
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  Speaker 7: That actually debuted on November twenty seven, ironically in twenty
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  Speaker 7: twenty three, So I am about one hundred and forty
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  Speaker 7: shows in and I just wanted to personally thank you
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  Speaker 7: because I wouldn't be in the spot without you. Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: you were a major part of why I got into
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  Speaker 7: this case, and of course are presenting at Lancer in
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  Speaker 7: twenty three and all the wisdom you have provided me.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, man, you're you're a machine. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 7: to you. You're just banging out the content in terms
• 8:02
  Speaker 7: of book reviews, rob research ramblings. You know, seventy nine right,
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  Speaker 7: seventy nine episodes of Quickheads now, so technically you're well
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  Speaker 7: over five hundred. But you know you've inspired a lot
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  Speaker 7: of people to get involved in the subject, to kind
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  Speaker 7: of think deeper about it, me being one of them.
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  Speaker 7: I just happen to have a microphone now. But thank
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  Speaker 7: you for that, sir, and looking forward to what's to come.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you the kind words, Joseph, and you know the
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  Speaker 4: show wouldn't wouldn't be what it is today without did
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  Speaker 4: Joe b and IM prodding the fork in my ass
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  Speaker 4: do this thing on YouTube? I mean it didn't take
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  Speaker 4: much priding. It was a novel idea and I was
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  Speaker 4: on board pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, and another little and thank you for those
• 9:02
  Speaker 7: kind of works. There another little thing I had tried
• 9:06
  Speaker 7: to put together yet last it did not come to fruition.
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  Speaker 7: I was in contact with two people from Luna's office
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  Speaker 7: to try to get a little thirty second video thanking
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  Speaker 7: rob Or and us whatever on our four hundredth episode
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  Speaker 7: from the Goddess herself, Luna but alas the director of
• 9:34
  Speaker 7: communications did not get back to me in time.
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  Speaker 4: And apparently Joe forgot today was a holiday, a federal holiday.
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: Oh my god.
• 9:50
  Speaker 7: I did message them earlier in the week, but yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I did not take that into consideration. But maybe it
• 9:57
  Speaker 7: will happen in the future when then they get back
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  Speaker 7: off a hol day. Man who has more holidays than
• 10:02
  Speaker 7: congress teachers? Politicians teachers, that's true. All right, welcome Winterer
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  Speaker 7: winner Roger. What's up buddy getting the gold?
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  Speaker 4: Sorry we forego your your beautiful inter for this evening,
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: but I felt we need a little something to spice
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  Speaker 4: up the party here at four hundred, and we'll be
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: back to the normal rotation next week.
• 10:26
  Speaker 7: But yeah, congrats to mister Norman Cockwell and Joe for
• 10:32
  Speaker 7: the big.
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: Somebody's been listening to the show.
• 10:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, someone's been paying attention. Congratulate d Dubbs. Congratulations on
• 10:43
  Speaker 7: four hundred shows. I've been a listener since the very
• 10:45
  Speaker 7: beginning and I have listened to and or watch every
• 10:49
  Speaker 7: episode multiple times. Keep up the great work, and here's
• 10:52
  Speaker 7: to the next four hundred.
• 10:54
  Speaker 4: Thank you, see Derek, thanks buddy.
• 10:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and he would have gotten the soul and tiny
• 11:01
  Speaker 7: coming in with the gold. Ooh, four hundred bronze, the bronze,
• 11:06
  Speaker 7: what I say, the gold?
• 11:09
  Speaker 9: Oh?
• 11:10
  Speaker 7: Well, I have to take back your goal, Finny Uh
• 11:14
  Speaker 7: get that back?
• 11:15
  Speaker 4: Tiny uh?
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  Speaker 7: Alpha sixty six in the house, Mike, how are you? Congrats?
• 11:24
  Speaker 7: Some four hundred shows. Let's get to one thousand plus shows?
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: Easy?
• 11:29
  Speaker 7: Easy, Yeah, it's a lot.
• 11:32
  Speaker 4: I'll be dead before we hit a thousand. It takes
• 11:35
  Speaker 4: fourteen years to get to four hundred. Fourteen years more years.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be sixty sticks and then I need to go
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: another two hundred. After that I'll be seventy two. I
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: don't know, man, it's a lot. It's a lofty goal,
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: but I'm here to try.
• 11:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and you Dine are ready with their lone stars.
• 12:03
  Speaker 7: Julia Postal being Cuban is a first for me. I
• 12:06
  Speaker 7: think we're gonna talk a little bit about her later
• 12:09
  Speaker 7: towards the eng Dish. I don't know. That's a good question.
• 12:20
  Speaker 4: I never knew, never know.
• 12:23
  Speaker 7: Timothy Rahan, what's up, buddy? Welcome grabs, Robin Joey, here's
• 12:27
  Speaker 7: too many more, Thank you, sir, tubes to the four
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  Speaker 7: faux Fox Faul four hundred incredible guys. As I say,
• 12:36
  Speaker 7: the highest working podcasters out there. We appreciate it.
• 12:40
  Speaker 5: Thank you.
• 12:42
  Speaker 7: Peach's sister, What up Peaches? As I like a call her,
• 12:48
  Speaker 7: Glad to see him in early tonight and hope you're welcome.
• 12:52
  Speaker 7: Welcome and GP ideals showing up, showing love, love to
• 12:57
  Speaker 7: the boys. This community gets here early. Yeah, what's up?
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  Speaker 4: Will? Thanks for showing up for a brother. You know
• 13:03
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
• 13:06
  Speaker 7: Let's say, Sally evening, lovelies. Do you want to take
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  Speaker 7: a shot at cracking this emoji message?
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: Lovelies? That's pretty self explanatory. And I see a black flag,
• 13:24
  Speaker 4: which means she might have been listening to some punk earlier.
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: And then we have a lion or is that a bear?
• 13:31
  Speaker 4: That's a lion Lion Rose, Lion Rose, Lion Rose. Soccer
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: Ball Earth or World.
• 13:39
  Speaker 7: Cup is on right now and Scotland is playing Morocco.
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  Speaker 7: I only know this because I have a bet on it.
• 13:45
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to get Sally Mann to say I have.
• 13:47
  Speaker 4: A bet on, but Scotland.
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  Speaker 7: They're big underdogs. USA want today though, So two parts
• 13:58
  Speaker 7: of my parlay are good.
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  Speaker 4: US as I drink my American do Yeah, y'all don't
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  Speaker 4: hate got British, do do?
• 14:07
  Speaker 5: You.
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  Speaker 4: No, you don't Scottish. Do Irish?
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  Speaker 7: Do Zendar?
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  Speaker 9: What up?
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  Speaker 4: Zendar?
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  Speaker 7: Buddy, welcome in scott Edwards. Congrats on four hundred shows.
• 14:24
  Speaker 7: Oh no, where you say? Francois through font made a
• 14:29
  Speaker 7: movie called four hundred blows coincidence, comrade, the Knights of.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: I think I've seen the pointer version of that movie.
• 14:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, isn't never going to come on? Now? Mister Ashley,
• 14:45
  Speaker 7: what's up? Nice and early cold waring down here in Australia.
• 14:48
  Speaker 7: Let's see the auesome representation representation get behind the boys today.
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, thanks ash and m K.
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  Speaker 7: Jeeve the governor, longtime alerk or first time commentator congrants
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  Speaker 7: on four hundred. Well, don't be a lurker. This is
• 15:10
  Speaker 7: a safe space, sir, thank you or ma'am and Owen Smith?
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: What up?
• 15:18
  Speaker 7: All right? Now get the David horn and uh if
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: you're driving, this is your spoiler alert.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: Yes here it comes no pun intended. The double B
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  Speaker 4: Brandon showing up. God bless you and your family. Thank
• 15:40
  Speaker 4: you Brandon, God Lee man you are you always bring
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: the heat. We appreciate the hell out of you. Thank you, sir, wow,
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: thank you for sure.
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: Uh, mister James Smith says some podcasters have greatness thrust
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: upon them before.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure, or into them.
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: You never know.
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: Thank you, James. That happened last time I hung out
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: with Allen Dale and again, oh oh, thank you Brandon
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  Speaker 4: who got him, Joe, do.
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  Speaker 7: Not comply eighty one ever, Dedie, Robert John, bunch of numbers, Steve.
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  Speaker 4: Spar Scotland, Dave, You're welcome.
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  Speaker 7: And a thousand Winston Smith So congrats guys, and you'll
• 16:39
  Speaker 7: have access to a bunch of other shows.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: I think I smoked a thousand Winston's in nineteen eighty nine,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: but that's between me and God.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: Yes, I'll have to answer for it at the gates.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, and tops coming in toopsy. Oh oh oh many,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: thanks you.
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  Speaker 7: Thanks with a fifteen dollars AUSSI super chat.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: That's worth like thirty American dollars.
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you too, Marshley, appreciate it. Mike the
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: library man is in the house.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: What up?
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: What uh?
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: And wow? Get it ready again?
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: All ship.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: James dollars us super Chat.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: I'm feeling love tonight, Joe. I'm feeling in love tonight.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: As well. You should.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: It's been a long, bumpy road to get here. We're here.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: Man, yeah, and.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: Mike all my David Fairry buttons broke. Oh there it
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  Speaker 4: is good lord, Thank you Mike. We are rolling on
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: the floor laughing as well.
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  Speaker 10: Sir.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no we uh uh fiddle folk, congrats on from
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  Speaker 7: on four hundred from thank you. Where is fiddle fuck
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  Speaker 7: on the map?
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: What do you think gotta be Ireland or Georgia one
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: of the two.
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: Robert Fuelliard, mister full yard. Welcome he and let me
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: see if I can get this. You look Luga.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: You totally fucked that up.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: Well I got the first half right that we corrected
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  Speaker 7: the last part.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: You're lucky to Luga.
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: You're lucky to Luga.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir. Yes, so this is like a Jerry
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: Lewis telethon. Yes it is, and you are the benefits, Yammy.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: I know we are not politically correct around here, but
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: I expected if you've been watching this show long enough,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: you know we're not anything if not politically incorrect.
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  Speaker 7: Mm hmmm. And Rob, before we start, we had we
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: had a near Oh man, I know we had a
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: near tragedy yesterday. Oh no, all right, hold on, what
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: is going on? A fancy drink toast to you? From
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: mister Scott Edwards.
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  Speaker 4: You missed one there.
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  Speaker 7: Uh, Derek Schwinderman, Right, I went right to the super shut.
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  Speaker 7: Congrats on the four hundred. Thank you, sir, Thank you, Derek.
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: Uh near tragedy, you might.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Notice, I am Hold the fuck on, okay, hold on,
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: keep missing her. Ah, she needs to get David Farried.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Sally, thank you, Oh my god, I'm sorry, Sally.
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: Those are definitely worth more.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Than yes they are, Thank you, Sally, and thank you toops.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Sorry there's been someone.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: There's been so many.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Is this another one from tubs? I don't know.
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: Now I believe Oh, actually that might be.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think it is. Well, thank you, wow,
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: thank you toobs waiting for your guys documentary The Book
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: of Martin's. We keep adding chapters.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Let me tell you, yeah, we did find another one
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: last week, right we did?
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean for Scott because he did not get
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: David Ferried.
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: There you go, sir, and everyone deserves to get David.
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  Speaker 4: There's enough. There's enough chizz to go around all night long. Baby,
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  Speaker 4: all right, Joe, what's the tragedy? All right? Well, I
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  Speaker 4: see hold on, hang one, hang on, I don't get
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  Speaker 4: to use this one very much. Okay, we almost had
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: to do this tonight. Take two. We almost had to
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: do this tonight in memoriam of Ruby.
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: Yes, but please, I am wearing my free Ruby jersey
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: because she is right next to me tonight because she
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: was attacked yesterday on a walk half a block from
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: our apartment and uh by two unleashed German shepherds. Now,
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: Erica usually does the midday walk, so I was not there.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: I would have gotten nuts on these dogs and started
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  Speaker 7: kicking and punching them. But she apparently escaped her leash.
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  Speaker 7: She got scratched up, punctured, and ran into the street
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  Speaker 7: under a car. No, thank god, the light was red
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  Speaker 7: so the car was not moving. The cop showed up,
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  Speaker 7: witnesses police reports taking her to the vet.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: The two Sherman shepherds were arrested and probably taken to prison.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: No, the cops said they're looking for They.
• 22:37
  Speaker 11: Put out a bolo for two rough look got on
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  Speaker 11: the lookout. Yeah, conet, Oh my god, And just like I.
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  Speaker 7: Get this frantic call because like Eric is all freaked
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  Speaker 7: out too, and I don't know five hundred dollars of
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: VET bills later, Raby shots anti inflammatory medicine later and
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: then they put one of those stupid cones over her face.
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: But I was like, I'm not gonna let her like
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  Speaker 7: sit like that. So she is in the bed next
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  Speaker 7: to me with half her butt shaved to clean out
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  Speaker 7: the punctured wounds. But good thing I was, I mean
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  Speaker 7: good thing for the dogs. The other two. I wasn't
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: there because your.
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  Speaker 4: Boy would have like they would have ripped your nuts off, joe.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: Bro, your boy Joey scars ain't scared of another scar
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  Speaker 7: or too. You know, I would have came and protected.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: From the shark. This is from two German shepherds. Well
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Ruby fun started tifty oh man, eat baby, whoa, Now
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: you can save Ruby's other ass cheek.
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it is thank you Tubes that that's that Tubes.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: That's very nice.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: It mighty mighty sweet.
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: Of you, Double B. I think is uh hitting out
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: temporarily for the night. I'm sure it'll be on the
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: replay crew. Peace be with you two, sir. Thank you
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: for the super shot and the memberships.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Well yeah or whatever they say.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: Code of shame. I can't. I just can't do that thing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: Te Biz in the house, what up?
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: What up?
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: And all right we are caught up.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: I believe we're all caught up.
• 24:39
  Speaker 7: All right, So sorry for that long intro, but let's
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: get to the research, sir.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's learn something, shall we. Yes, I mean that's
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: what we're here for, right, I mean, I love this.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: I love the accolades, but enough is enough. We love
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: you makes me feel weird and awkward, and that's okay
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: because I'm gen X and I can take it. Here
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: we go, all right, let me get off myself box
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: and let's get into it. Little bit of Danny r Say.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Hence the name of the podcast, forty Rsays and a mule.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Hopefully y'all got the uh the title funniness there, you know,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: forty acres and a mule, it being Juneteenth and I
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: never mind, hopefully some of you got it. You should
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: know my humor by now.
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: That's up?
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: True Louisiana, Usa? Is this the real tray hammeter? Better
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: be from Streetport Street Port? All right, I'm gonna let
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: me share me screen here Joe, real quick, okay, And
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: before I do so, a couple of things about Danny
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: RSA because I think we got in, we touched, we
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: touched a little bit on him. Uh and members only,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: members only, show, and I started looking more into him
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: after the show and I was I was like, hmm,
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: this is interesting, this is interesting. This is interesting. Now
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: of course the theory is I mean, to me, it
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: seems a little odd, okay that here at the book Depository, Joe,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: you have one the Latin American male working.
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: Can I start poke you? How about Joe Molina? Not
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: on the floor crew? But were they not? Were some
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: of the powers that be the FBI and not interested
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: in him as well? Compared to RS?
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: Was he was he a Latino?
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: I believe he was. I'm an adult check out as
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: you go.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: I think he was suspected of being a commie, but
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if he was a Latino.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: But we digressed, yes, and you know, we looked at
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: some pictures of some people from Interpan. There was just
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: happened to be a guy named Remi Remigio Cuckoo RS
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: that was part of Inner Penn, part of the Bay
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: of Pigs invasion. And you know, sitting here we're looking
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: at looking at all this stuff and I'm like, man,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: this is wild. So we read a couple of statements
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: from Danny Garcirsa concerning you know where he was standing
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: that day, what he did that day, and all of that.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: We went through his warm commissioned testimony in his first
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: day affidavis. We didn't quite get to this one, though, Joe,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: And this will be his FBI statement of March eighteenth,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty four. Right, so let's take a look at it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Here it says I, Danny garcir say, make the following
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: statement to Thomas Trettele Tretis, who has identified himself as
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: a special agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. All right,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: we know where you live, we know where you work.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: When President Kennedy was shot, I was standing on the
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: grassy area directly in front of the Depository building and
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: approximately thirty feet from the President's car. However, I could
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: not see the in his car when the shots rang out.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: To the best of my knowledge, there were three shots,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: and they came from the direction of the railroad tracks
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: near the parking lot at the west end of the
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Depository building. Now, if you can imagine where the sixth
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: floor window is, mister Arsay would have been standing pretty
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: much directly underneath of the goddamn thing. And he thinks
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: the shots came from the grassy no area down towards
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: the railroad tracks.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Y US S S S S S S S S.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Joe, can you hear me?
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: I can?
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Are you live?
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that says broadcast counting.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: Are you on the screen?
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: No?
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Are you? Have you been doing anything?
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: I refreshed myself. I thought it was me, but it
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: might not have been. A fuck, Let me exit and
• 36:48
  Speaker 7: come back.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: H m hmm, all right, you can hear us.
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: We can't see the screen at all, do you guys?
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Can you guys see us or just hear us?
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: Okay, you guys are seeing what we're seeing.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know what the fuck is going on. Hang on,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: let me try to refresh my ship here, Joe, okay,
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: hmm the same. What the hell this is? No bueno?
• 38:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: It's kind of ironic in a sense though, right because
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: you started at a audio only podcast. Four hundred shows
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: were back to one Jesus no I said in the chats.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: It's kind of like a matrix attack the Wi Fi recently,
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: you know, with quick hits, and it's been acting up
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: in the past few weeks. I don't know if it's
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: our platform or it's Wi Fi or both.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: Or look, I restarted my router at six thirty, just
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: so it wouldn't be any problems. And then I looked
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: down when everything froze up and I got booted, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't have any Wi Fi. But I looked at
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: my phone. I got six magnificent bars on my phone.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, how don't do I have it on my
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: phone and not my computer?
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: That might be the reason, Scott, ever since we could
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: at least show comments, ever since Joe's archive jive. They
• 39:20
  Speaker 7: got me pegged.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: I restarted my computer, I had Wi Fi again. Then
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: we got on got on f MUCKs and no freaking nothing. Hey,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: let me try something real quick. What the ship man?
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I was jamming out of them? Oh there we go?
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: Whoa hey now shit, Oh my god?
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: And yeah, guys, I mean when you when you do
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: live potted, you can't plan for these things. You got
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: a troubleshoot in real time. So we apologize. But that's
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: why we are really the only live JFK podcasts out there,
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: because we uh, we frequently fail, yeah, but we frequently succeed.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: But it's worth it's worth to fail. We've tried to
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: make it worth to fail.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: It's kind of offsets to fail all the great knowledge
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: and logic and you know observations that you receive here
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: on a weekend the basis. All right, let's try this
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: one more time, Joe.
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: Okay, well, m.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, here we go. When last we left you, Danny
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Rsa was assisting an elderly man to the pisuab. I think,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: did we get that far?
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 41:28
  Speaker 7: No, you were just starting to read the FBI document
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: when you go. And by the way, Joe, our Rodriquez
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: Melina was Mexican American.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Uh huh, but we didn't look it. No, he looked white, right, yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I believe so. Yeah, all right, let's try this again. Okay.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: So on the morning of eleven, twenty two sixty three,
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: about forty five, five minutes before the arrival of the
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: President's motorcade, I met an elderly white man at the
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: entrance of the building who asked me to direct him
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: to a restroom. Please here, Sonny, you know, please, an
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: old man could piss around here. My kidneys ain't what
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: they used to be. So I helped this man up
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: the steps of the Depository building and showed him a
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: public restroom. The man was very old and very feeble
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: and could hardly make it up the steps. About five
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: minutes later, I saw this man leave the building and
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: enter an old Buick automobile with three elderly white women. Dude,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: the player, he's got three chicks. Then drove north on
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: the Service Street in front of the school Book Depository,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: made a right turn on Elm Street, and drove west
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: through the underpass. I would describe this man as a
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: white man, approximately eighty years old, white hair, wearing a
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: brown suit, light colored western style hat. He had a
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: thin build and was about five to nine in height.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: I never seen this man before eleven twenty two, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: I've never seen him since.
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: Full us himself.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: After the President was shot, he says, I entered the
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: school Book Depository building and were questioned by some police
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: officers at about one o'clock in the afternoon. I was
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: told to go to the Dallas Police station for an
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: interview by the police. I left the building at that
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: time and did not return until the following day. I
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: have read the above statement, consisting of three pages, and
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: it is true and correct as to the best of
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: my knowledge. Now, for those of you not familiar with
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: mister Danny Rsay, this be him, right, Young Latino looking male.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: I believe, yes, allegedly, allegedly.
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: You never know.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Look at those evil.
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: Eyes, Joe, they do look kind of evil.
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: There's something evil about those.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: Eyes, Joe.
• 44:22
  Speaker 7: He's serious. I'll say that it is the look of
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: a murderer. Joe.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: I'm kidding, folks. H Yeah, that's Danny. R Say. Now,
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: I have this picture here, and I've lifted some of
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: these images from prayerman dot com and uh Tango down
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: sixty three dot com, and we're gonna be looking at here. Okay, Now, again,
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: this looks like from this angle, this is part of
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the Altar and six, but it's cropped. And what it
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: looks like is that Danny Garcia is way the hell
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: over in front of the in front of the uh
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: now text building, right, But he's actually not. He's actually
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: on the corner of Elm and Houston, right on the
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: corner of the service road. I mean, like right across
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: the street from the service road. He's not like on
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: the sidewalk in front of the depository, because remember right
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: in front of the depository there is a service road
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: that you must cross, and then there's another sidewalk and
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: then Elm Street, and he is right at the corner
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: of Elm Street, right. He is not across the street
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: of Houston in front of the dal Text, which I
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: always thought that he was, but he was not. So again,
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: this kind of looks like him. He's got the black coat,
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: the hair, the beady eyes, the evil eyes, right, the
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: mean bug you know. Okay, I mean you can see
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: a lot of scaffoos going on. You see them three
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: Latino ladies hanging out the window.
• 46:06
  Speaker 12: Up there right well, which is the dal Tex building, right, Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: that's across the street, right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like there's a scaffoz that sitting up
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: here on the h the fire escape. Yeah, it looks
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: like to be a hand hanging down here, maybe wearing
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: a dark suit.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Well, this is an interesting photo. And it looks like
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: and this is the car, the white car right here
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: is actually the car that Lbj's in. And it looks
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: like to me that the rear door is open, doesn't
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: it It does? Yeah, And it looks like somebody's like
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: holding a gas mask or a head or pig's head
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: or something out the window. I mean, what the hell
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: is get this that it looks.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: Like unless it's a like photo illusion it does look
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: like that, especially when you look at the door on
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: the super right side. You would think if that was
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: fully closed, what you would like.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: That the bottom, that bottom what do they call it,
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: the chrome strip along the bottom of the door, would
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: be all one connecting line.
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: That's a good observation too. It is not connected.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: It is like it is open and you can see
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: like the frame of the window, which you would not
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: see if the door was closed. Yeah, you see what
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: I'm saying. Yeah, but what is that?
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, the arrow says that this was Ocus Campbell O. V. Campbell,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: who was the superintendent of the school book Depository. Yeah,
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know how. I mean, maybe maybe he's just waving.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: Somebody's waving out the window or the door, and this
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: is just part of his face back here. I don't know.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: It's very odd to me. Maybe this is an illusion. Okay,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: I see an arm coming up here, and I see fingers.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: See that, Yeah, see the arm going up and now
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: it looks like somebody has their arm in like a
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: puppet head. But no, you can actually see the fingers
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: and then a face behind it. So it is kind
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: of like an illusion. But I swear that damn door
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: looks like it's open to me. It does to me too,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: And that frame of that door, you wouldn't be able
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: to see that unless it was open. So that's weird.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: But maybe not. I mean, they weren't going that fast,
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: you know, but still a little strange.
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: Maybe LBJ had to open the door to puke or something.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Maybe got a good with a lady bird the car
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: all right. This is also allegedly from a different angle,
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: and you can supposedly see R say where the red
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: err is pointing. There's been some cutt and pasting going
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: on here. I don't know what the hell is going
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: on here, but allegedly, uh, that is Danny Garcia RS
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: behind the what I like to call the the uh,
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: the Mexican cowboy right here, you know, with the with
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: the hat and the matching suit and all that shit.
• 49:32
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: Allegedly that's him, allegedly, and from the Altins view, of course,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: alterns is way back over this way, looking back right.
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: But I don't know that's this might be a suss
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: identification of Danny Garcia.
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah's extremely hard to tell.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very hard to tell. That's a little sus to me.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Part Okay, now here is a little aftermath of the
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: assassination photo and allegedly this guy with the bald spot
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: here is the uh love lady. And right at the
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: bottom though we got we got the Danny rsa pompadoor. Okay,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So it's not like he is uninterested in what is
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: happening here, Joe, you know what I mean.
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he seems to be moving from one corner of
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: Elmly Houston back towards uh, you know, a little bit
• 50:35
  Speaker 7: towards the knoll. If that past picture you showed is accurate,
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: And now he's taking an interest of what's going on. Yeah,
• 50:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, which isn't on its feet suspicious.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: But that's just it's odd. I mean, that's got that's
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: is definitely his head. And here mm hmm. Now this
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: figure right here to the left that's always intrigued me.
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: What is that?
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: I don't know what. It's definitely got an Oswald hairline
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: in the back, you know what I mean? Yeah, it
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: just seems odd to me. You know that nobody ever
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: captured Oswald on film leaving or leaving the depository that day,
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: correct or doing anything, you know, like, I don't know,
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: could that be him? With his ugly ass shirt on.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It couldn't be out here.
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: What's this black blob in between that kind of looks
• 51:34
  Speaker 7: like a ghost? Is that also an optical illusion in
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: between Oswalt and the realm way thing?
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Black blob?
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: What you have your hand?
• 51:48
  Speaker 7: What you just had it on? To the right of Oswald,
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: to the right of Oswald here?
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think that's a there's I think it's
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: a cop. They got the real dark black uniforms on
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: or whatever. You can see. This is the arm coming
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: over in a hand holding something looks like a frazzle
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: drip mask or something. I don't know what that is.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: The possible possible Oswalk figure could in theory be Buele
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: as well. It kind of looks like tall, lanky Bule
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe I don't know, I'm just speculating.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh, that's Jack Ruby right there. He's on he's
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: on the steps in the depository. No he's not, but
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I'm sure somebody's thinking that.
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: I'm sure someone is.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: All Right, here's a little bit of a clearer picture
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: of the of mister g Arse in the Alten's crop. Now, Joe,
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: does it look like to me like he might have
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: a communications device up to his lips.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean unless he has like the longest, skinniest
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: finger I've ever seen a portion someone.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, they bet they finger you with.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: I mean yeah, but you can see the square under it,
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: right under that.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not the antenna from the car, because you
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: can see the car antenna right to the left of it.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: Are say, going straight up in the air, right yeah,
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: this big white stick right now, that's the antenna. And
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: as far as I know, nothing comes off the side
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: of a car door that looks like this, you know,
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: not a mirror, you know, the mirror much lower?
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: Is that?
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: Is that a cop car?
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: No, it was the white car we were just looking at.
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, then unless they're like holding something out of it.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It just looked to me like
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: you could be talking into like a little uh you know.
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: Or something, you know, I I radium, Yeah, yeah, which
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: would be interesting if he's possibly talking to dark complexed
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: man AKAA down Santiago with his own walkie talkie. And
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: you think about the other RSA cuckoo being an inner pen.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: Not the craziest theory I ever heard you.
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: Not the craziest, Oh, shit. Okay. Now, this next one
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: doesn't really have anything to do with Danny Arsay, except
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: the cover page said that it did. But it was
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: a It was a very long list of suspects for
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: the HSCA, for Patrick Carpentier. And I don't know what
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: all this means, right, but these are like people that
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: they wanted to talk to, people they wanted to contact
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: and for the HSCA. Now what jumped out of me,
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: Joe is William Shelley. It's at the top here, and
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: he is the only person on this list that has
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: an FBI number beside his name. Do you see what
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about?
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: Let me just analyze them for a second. Yeah, the
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: three oh two number correct, which is the FBI.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: It's not a number versus eight five two, three five
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: four six.
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: But how about before that three oh two?
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: Where do you see three or two oh.
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: Social Security number? I'm sorry, yeah, okay, okay.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right. Sims DPD he didn't have one. Elsie Smith's
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: sheriff Stove Walls DPD, he didn't have one. Studebaker DPD.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Roy Truley doesn't have one. Right. Another DPD guy, Buddy Walters.
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: This guy's vice president of client sporting goods. He don't
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: have one. I mean, bi' shell is the only one
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: with a freaking FBI number. And there was multiple sheets
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: of this that I'm not showing, but you know we're
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: on This is number forty nine and I have you know,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: it's like one hundred person lists and nobody else had
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: an FBI number besides their name.
• 56:20
  Speaker 7: Weird. Yeah, And just because I got confused, the three
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: or two is kind of like a two of one
• 56:26
  Speaker 7: file for the CIA, but with the FBI.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he just just so happens that his Social Security
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: number three or two. Yes, Oh, look a squirrel, all right.
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: I came across this document here, Joe from December thirtieth,
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: nineteen sixty three. And this is a CIA document, right,
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: and it's subjectives Recruitment of former members of the Rebel
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: Army by Jurrey Okay, United States, Miami, a member of
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: a group of Cuban emmigrays trained in the techniques of
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: information collection. The group has provided useful reports for over
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: two years. This info was obtained from Aton Constanzo, Palau
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: vau Chibas Srivas and Lucas Moran Arse found another rsay
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Joe Wow members of the Jurre aka Cuban Revolutionary Junta, okay,
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: have been in Miami. So we had an RSAY part
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: of Jurre in Miami trying to recruit former members of
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: the rebel army for their cause. The men have been
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: offered a training base in Puerto Rico if they joined Jurrey.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Among those visited were Aton Constanzo Pilao, the Snitch, Eugenio Martinez,
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Perez Carmenatti and Jesus home Is Calzadilla and one Jose
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: Masseo Tomayo. Interesting, do you.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: Think it's your Genio Martinez.
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: Of I don't know. I don't know as many many
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: other names, right, but.
• 58:18
  Speaker 7: This is really interesting because as we were talking about
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: the inner Pen guy named rs and Danny Arsey, we
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: were speculating on this is not a common name, but
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: may very well be a coincidence.
• 58:32
  Speaker 4: Right, We don't know, you know, And that's what we're
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: trying to suss out here. And we're gonna, we're gonna
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: get there. We're now closer.
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: But now you add a third Rsay to the mix,
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: my susmeter moves a little towards the positive, the affirmative.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: When you start finding more than one. Rsay, that's a
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: problem name to show forty and.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: And I came across this document which I thought was
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: interesting and it really doesn't have a goddamn thing to
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: do with Danny RSA. But check this out, Joe, let
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: me put it back up here. So this is an
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: FBI document and from January ninth, sixty four, and it's
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: regarding a telephone call from James Melly of the Bureau
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: to Special as in Charge Shankling at Dallas. And this
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: is a memo an Airtel to Hoova Jahova, Director of
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: the FBI, Assistant Chief of Police Charles Bachelor, who would
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: later go on to be the Chief of Police in Dallas.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: This date advised Vincent Draine, Special Agent Dream that Inspector
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: Sawyer of the Dallas PD was one of the first
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: FIR officers to arrive at the scene of the school
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: Book Depository building at four eleven Elm Street. An unidentified
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: individual told Inspector Sawyer that he had seen an individual
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: run from the school Book Depository building shortly after the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: shooting of President Kennedy, and that this individual was an
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: unknown white male approximately thirty Slender Build five ten one
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: sixty five We've all heard that description before, right Joe.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: But the second part we haven't heard carrying what looked
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: to be a thirty thirty or some type of Winchester rifle. Okay,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: so we got the generic description that they put out
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: right allegedly from Brennan. But Sawyer is saying that, no,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: somebody saw somebody leaving the building with a rifle and
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: this is what they look like, which is something totally
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: different than what we've all been told before. Right. Inspector
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Sawyer then contacted Sergeant Hensley, a dispatcher, and this description
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: was broadcast to all Dallas squad cars. So they're telling
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: you right there that the description they attributed to Brennan
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: is not the one that they used to send out.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: It came from this.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: Which is interesting because you would think, you know, Sawyer
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 7: and inspector member of the DPD, would be a much
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 7: better witness than some random dude sitting on the street.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Sawyer did not get the individual's name, shocker who
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: furnished his information, and from affidavits taken subsequently of individuals
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: who were near the scene at the time of the shooting,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: no id has been made of the source of this information.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: So again, you gotta you know now, granted it's a
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: game of telephone. Here we got Charles Bachelor telling Draine
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: that Sawyer right, I had seen it in somebody told
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: Sawyer this, so you know it's it's he's he told
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: they told that, you know whatever. But I just thought
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: that was interesting. Never heard that before.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm just uh, I just quickly searched Sawyer and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 7: the DPD touches to portal history. He apparently was in
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 7: the also in the basement. Let me just make sure
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 7: before I say this. Yep, he was also in the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 7: basement on November twenty fourth, sixty three, standing on the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: flat part of the ramp and you're the right front
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 7: fender of the car driven by Detective Doherty. I did
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 7: not know Jack Ruby. I did not see him in
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 7: the basement. Blah blah blah. I did not see the shooting,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 7: although I did hear the shot Inspector Sawyer. So again,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 7: people that are kind of in the right places at
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 7: the right times type of thing. I don't see the
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 7: same day Affidavid for him yet, but very interesting, thank you, sir,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 7: ceasing you season.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: All right, let's go back now. The reason I'm showing everybody.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: This This is a still from the Hughes film that
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: appeared in Life magazine in nineteen sixty seven. And if
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: we zoomy, zoom zoom and a zoom zoom, you can
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: see vaguely here Jackie's pink jacket and a pink cat.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: So this is this is the President's limousine turning the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: corner onto Elm. Okay, you got the follow up car
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: right behind him to Queen Mary. So Danny Arsay would
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: have probably been standing somewhere in front of the depository.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: Here the statements he said he was west across the street, right,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 4: so he's actually facing the depository.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, that that that makes sense because you're looking
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 7: down Houston as they make the left onto Elm.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so we're just looking at this from a different an.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: We can't pick arse out of this blurry ass crowd,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: that's for sure, but you can kind of see the doorway.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: You can see Billy Lovelay's red plaid shirt, right, yeah,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: you can see Fraser's big stupid ass in the middle.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: And uh.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: And look at that fucking car, Joe. The door is open.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: Look over here.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think someone said that the door was open
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: on Houston. Someone in the comments said that, so why
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: it would be? I have no idea, but who knows.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, weird, weird. All right, let's check out another crop
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: of this. Now. The reason I'm showing everybody this because
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: it does show, you know, right before the shots. I mean,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: this is the school book's pository and this is about
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: the clearest image you're gonna get of it that hasn't
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: been doctored in some kind of way other than these
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: circles and arrows and writing. But you get the point.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: So you have the three windows, right, Ellislie. Harold Norman
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: is right under the Oswald window right, and then Bonnie
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: Ray Williams is in the window next to him, and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: then Junior Jarman is over here on the second in
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: the second set of windows where the one is open,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: and then allegedly Oswald is right above him shooting right.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: This comes from Greg Wagner and Tango Down nineteen sixty three.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: And there's a reason the statements by Brennan, Jarman, Norman,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: Williams and Doherty are an absolute mess. I would agree
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: one of those guys has Kennedy standing up in the
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: limo as it passes the TSBD one have Danny Arsay
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 4: coming up to the fifth floor with him to watch
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: the motorcade. Wow, what.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 4: Brennan was not where he said he was and could
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 4: not have seen what he said he saw. Doherty did
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: not see Jarmin, Norman or Williams on the fifth floor
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: and they did not see him. Their description of the
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: shots being fired from the floor above does not ring
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: true to me. Rifle shots a few feet above their
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 4: heads would have been loud as shit. And I've said
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: the car Kano is a very loud weapon when it
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: is fired, you would know. Mm hmm. Okay, trust me.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: None of this makes any sense unless there's something about
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: the fifth floor that they're all dancing around Joe, which
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: kind of makes sense.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah. No, Clode artist Campbell was not in the motorcade.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: He was just right behind the car that we talked
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 7: about about the open door one.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Of those Yeah, he was standing across the way with
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: Roy Truley. Apparently Danny ars.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: Yes and Uncle Dave noticed the open window on the
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: sixth floor on the west side of the building. I
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: did notice that, sir.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: There are witnesses who said they saw a person up
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: there and on that side of the building correct, about
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: ten minutes before the.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 7: Assassination, did rather say Dan rather say Kennedy stood up?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: No, he said that he fell forward at the time
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: of the shots and not back. Yeah, that's what he said.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: All right, all right, here we have a gift, uh
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: and this is from taking from the sixth Floor Museum
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: best known copy of the NBC Darnell film or the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: wig Win. I think it's the Darnell though, mm hmmm,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 4: so far this is the best copy that we have.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: And if we really zoom and zoom zoom in here
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: of mister Praer man Missus Praier, a woman, prayer woman.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think some comments or I
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: saw this posted, we're commenting about the low neckline of
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: what appears to be addressed m h and the you know,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: her bare arms here and it almost looks like she's
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: either holding a camera or like a cup of tea
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: or coffee or something.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: Something that's reflecting in some way. Yeah, I will say
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: it does look a little thick to be Oswalt, but
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 7: again that's that's not a great.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: Now you see Fraser's big dumb ass standing up here
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: right in the middle, right, you can't miss it. All right.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: Now there's somebody behind him kind of appears to be
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: a white dude with his arms behind his back and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: his chest out watching right. But look behind him, there's
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: somebody going into the glass in through the glass doors,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: through the vestibule. Yeah.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, look at that the turn whatever you.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: Call it, the turning, Well it's called a door.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh okay, I thought it was like one of
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 7: those turned things.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 4: Now it ain't a fucking bank Okay, it's a normal door.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 7: Okay, So that would be meaning it's closing. It looks
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 7: like it.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: Looks like somebody's walking into the building, right and the
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: door head doors closing, either opening or closing, we really
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: can't tell. But you definitely see the door moving. You
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: definitely see what appears to be the back of someone's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: head going into the building. If they were coming out,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: we would see like a face, but it's uh, very
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: shadowy back there. Yes, I thought that was interesting. So
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: it's share. Uh was there a reason that I included
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: this picture? Maybe not? Maybe so, maybe not, maybe so,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: maybe not. I don't think so, I don't know. All right,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: we'll skip that one. All right, Here is yeah the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: Darnell film. All right, so this is the six or
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: four museum copy downloaded directly from their site, all right,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: and that's what the gift was taken from that you
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: saw right before me, right right. So yeah, here's the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: Mexican cowboy and his little hat, right and it's a little.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: H who does seem to be looking up right? Yeah?
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if he's head tilted back kind of. And if
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: we hang on, let me let me bring this back
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: a little bit beginning and control it a little better.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: So we're turning. The newspeople are turning the corner here
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: on the elm right, and you can see look right
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: here right under this area of pointing Upstegn and you're
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: gonna see the top of a motorcycle helmet and the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: Dallas police officer is gonna be heading to the right
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 4: towards the building. Watch this seam, Yeah, running across the
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: street towards the door. Now he's here.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: Is that Marion Baker?
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, allegedly that's Marion Baker. Now we're gonna, I'm gonna,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna show you guys entire movie, all right, because
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: there's other parts of this that I hadn't really paid
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: much attention to. But it's interesting as we go on
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: down the street. So again this is like the best
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: kind of the best version we're probably ever gonna get there.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: We go, all right, so they come back. See they're
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: looking back. This is like across the street, you know,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: all these keen of towner was standing in. Allegedly Howard
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: Brennan was sitting on one of these pedestals. All right,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: let's keep it going. It's a little shaky, but it
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: straightened out here. Hellok, oh shit, old all right, So
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: that's Officer Joe Smith that was on the left side there,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: the left side of Elm Street. Mm hmmm aka Barney Fife.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: All right, here we go. I think something was going
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 4: on over there. Let me go check it out, all right. Now,
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: watch Bill Newman. So by this time, the Newman's are up.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: They're not laying on the ground anymore. They're getting up.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: Watch what Bill Newman does. Watch him close.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 7: Did you see that he's hitting the ground.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's pounding his fist into the ground.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because he had he saw what happened, right Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 4: Now here we have all this confused that were heading
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: up to the the overpass.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you have the railroad workers not moving moving an
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: inch yet.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: There's the grassy old fence. Now let me back this
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: up and show you something that we all missed.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, do we miss the artist name?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: No, I want you to be on the lookout for
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: dark complexed man and umbrella man. Okay, okay, let me
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: pause it. There they're already sitting together on the curb.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 7: Oh. Yes, that would be behind the front back right
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 7: car that you see in the picture, right above the
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: back right bumper.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, aka where my arrow is aka are
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: I thought that was interesting for the audio only crowd. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: there's a little bit of a pause of him.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah right there, no urgency whatsoever.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: No, well, let's just let's just sit here. Let's just
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: take a take a seat. Oh I think that showed
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: him for like for a split second. Man, that's too quick.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: I can't catch it. Yeah, I'll continue.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: And they are gone by this point. Who well, dark
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: complected man and umbrella man. We're sitting at the right
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 7: of that telephone pole, as Doug and I nicely sat
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 7: in that exact area and posed.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: Allegedly.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 7: Allegedly we do have receipts for that. But yeah, interesting stuff.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: There, man, I'm not done yet. There's more. But wait,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: I didn't think you were so oh. During the Garrison investigation,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: they sent an investigator. I think it might have been.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 7: I think it was Alcock.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: They sent him to Dallas and he tracked down Danny rs.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: So let's hear what he has to say about Danny R. S. Ready,
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: I'm ready, Oh, mamma.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 8: Interview with.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: I don't know a bitch that was playing at the
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: beginning of the show Joe.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 7: He served from the beginning. Here we go, mamma.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: Interview with.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 8: Danny Garcia G A I C I A I C
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 8: A I C E Address twenty two sixteen North Fitzhugh
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: f itz h u g h Telephone number eight two
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: four O one seventy nine. Danny Arsey was in FBI
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 8: jargon telephonically contacted on the evening of August eighth and
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: informed that members of the DA's office were interested in
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 8: preparing trial and play. Shaw Arsie stated that he was
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 8: prepared and quite willing to testify in such a trial,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 8: and asked at the outset if we had contacted any
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 8: other members of the Texas school Book Depository. He had
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: worked at the school Book Depository, but now no longer
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 8: works there. I asked him if he had anybody in mind,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: and he suggested Bonnie Ray Williams, m who observed the
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 8: motorcade from the fifth floor. Arsie stated, as he had
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: already told the Warrant Commission that he had three shots,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 8: that they all signed the same, and that they sounded
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 8: as though though they had come from the railroad tracks
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: to the west of the book depository. At the time,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 8: he was standing in front of the book depository on
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 8: the grassy strip in between Elm Street and the service
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 8: road in front of the book depository. Mister Arcie stated
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 8: that his only reservation about but the trial was that
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: he would he was now married, and that he would
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 8: have to see his wife, and that he couldn't afford
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: to come to New Orleans. But we reassured him that
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 8: he wouldn't be involved in any expense, and after that
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 8: he seemed to be quite willing and perhaps even enthusiastic
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 8: about testifying.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 7: And although.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: What he has to say is not particularly sensational, and
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: several other witnesses have said exactly the same thing, namely
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: Shelley loved lady truly, and several others who were standing
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 8: in exactly the same position as him. Nevertheless, he seems
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 8: as though he would be a worthwhile witness. Mister ARSI
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 8: ran in the direction of the railroad tr railroad tracks
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: after the shooting, and of memo.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: End the memo, Joe, Now, it would have been much
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: better if he had actually recorded the actual interview with
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: Danny RSA instead of just relaying his conversation with Danny RSA. Right, well,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: what I found interesting about this, Joe, if you indulge
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: me for one second, here, when they read his address, Okay,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: when that guy just read his address or set his address, Yeah,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: it sparked a a aha moment. Right, Oh, really it did,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: because our buddy Jack here sent us this snippet from
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: a nineteen sixty nine Dallas phone book, and right here,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: right here, you have Daniel G and Sylvia A. And
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: lists his job title as inspector at Dallas Air Motive
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 4: and his address is H two two one six North
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: Fifth Avenue. Mm hmmm, so this is definitely the same
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: Danny RSA.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 7: Okay, I would have to agree.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: I wonder if he married Sylvia Odio.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: What was Sylvia's middle initial? Hey, really, I don't know.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: I'm guessing it'd be a much better story if it was.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 13: It would be lackhooler if you did right Datus and
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 13: confused reference there. That didn't go over my head.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 7: But that is interesting. I would definitely.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: But now check this out, Joe. You're gonna love this.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 7: Okay, I'm already loving it.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: When Big Bad Bob goes deep, he goes deep, if
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, what is Dallas
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: Air Motive? You might be asking yourself, Well.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 7: I did actually ask myself in my head.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: What the hell?
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you. It's a company that is still in
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: business to this day. They have since changed their name
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: to Standard Arrow. Okay they are They deal with airplane parts, Okay, engines, airframes, avionics.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: Let's click on the about US tab and uh see
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: what it says.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 7: Government contracts maybe.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Been around since nineteen eleven, just eight years after the
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: Right Brothers Historic flight at Kitty Hawk founded by Charles
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: Pearce and Bickel and Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. The company known
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 4: as Standard Machine Works blah blah blah blah blah. Mid twenties.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 4: All right, let's get up to the sixties here. By
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 4: nineteen forty nine, the company incorporated its Standard Arrow and
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: expanded its facilities and capabilities, sharping its expertise in civilian
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: and military aircraft engines. By nineteen sixty SAE began overhauling
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: turbine engines, investing heavily in tooling and training. They also
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: partnered with trans Canada Airlines to use one of the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: airline's engine test cells. Over the next six decades, the
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: company grew steadily through strategic acquisitions such as Dallas Air Motive,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: new program wins, and expanded services. Standard Aero earned recognition
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: as one of the aerospace entergy's leading independent maintenance, repair
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: and overhaul provider. And then it goes into what they
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: do today, their vision blah blah blah blah blah. I mean,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 4: this is a like a swinging dick company. Now right now,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: what is a little interesting, if you will. Danny Arce,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think had any school after seventh grade. I
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: believe there in one of the interviews, I think it
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: was with one commissioned testimony, he said he had. I
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: think he said he had only completed up to like
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: seventh grade. You know, he's working a shit job at
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: the school boy Depository. Now, what I showed you was
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: from the nineteen sixty nine phone book. But the alcop
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: interview or whatever it was, it's from nineteen sixty seven.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 7: That's why I was gonna ask, because he didn't say
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 7: the year, but my guess was sixty something.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So how does Danny R. Say go from happening
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: a seventh grade education, working a shit dead end job
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: at the book depository to suddenly being an inspector an
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: inspector at Dallas Air Motive, one of the probably the
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: area's biggest overhauler of turbine aircraft engines. What the fuck
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: does he know about turbine engines?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: Right right? I mean, yeah, you go from what like
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 7: an order filler or working in a warehouse to that.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: That's a big step.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: I mean this is not entry level shit. This is
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: a step above an aircraft engine mechanic. This is the
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: guy who comes back when the mechanic is done Joe
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: to inspect his work, to make sure all the teaser
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: crossed and all the eyes are dotted, and everything is
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: done correctly. Because these are flying aircraft, Okay, they have
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: to Everything has to be done right and perfectly. There
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: is no maybe, there's no second chances. So they have
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: people that come by and inspect the mechanics work.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, Rob, He quit school, according to his
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 7: warrant Commission testimony, found a job and worked as a cook,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 7: short order cook, and busboy and just odd jobs at
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: ironically Rubinstein Place, Rubinstein and Sons right, an Oyster place.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 7: So quite the career trajectory there.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: So how do you go from skafuza to aircraft engine
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 4: inspector in four years? I don't know.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 7: Either you had a connected uncle or something, or you
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: got really lucky, or you maybe did some favors to
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: warrant that type of reward.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: Quite possible. All Right, you ready for this one? I
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: got two more revelations real quick. All right, all right,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: hold on to your seats, folks.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 7: Hold on to your books.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: That is address a park reference, all right, Joe, here
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: we have an obituary. Now this is from Rose, l Illinois,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: a funeral home. Okay. From what year is this? I
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 4: don't know, but I think it's twenty twenty oh, no,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: two thousand and five. Okay, So Daniel Gilberto Roci arse.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 4: Now this is not Daniel Garcia rse's obituary, Okay, but
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 4: it is Daniel Gilberto pile Carpo Lopez Roci dr E
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: surname Yeah, passes away in two thousand and five in
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: Mexico of cancer, a former resident of Wheeling, Illinois. Beloved
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: husband of Emilia Nay Garcia. That means born Garcia, devoted
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: father of Sylvia Perez. That it happens to be his
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: wife's name, Sylvia. Okay, we keep on going down to
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: the deals and Martin Rocai Okay, grandfather, look, grandfather of
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: hate shit, grandfather of Kalid theory. Why is this jumping around?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 7: All right?
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna move my lane, okay, the grandfather of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: HLID theory. Valerie Danny renee Daniel and Maria Jose Rocca.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: So is this Daniel Garcia's Arse's grandfather? Maybe? But if
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: it is, he's got some Rocca in him. WHI should
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: be a problem, which would be a problem. Okay? So
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: I found that which is interesting as hell, right, and
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 4: ties to Chicago. Okay, how lie Jack Rubin and he
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: worked at Rubinstein. I mean, come on, people follow me here,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: all right? I got one more? Who knows mass? All right?
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: Oh shit, I guess I gotta that first. Now, I
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: did find something very interesting, and this is legit. The
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: other one is a fantasy. Allegedly, but it could be
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: could be his grandfather. We don't know. But this one
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 4: is much closer, much much closer. So let's zero in
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: here we do it finally finds something about the fate
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: of Daniel Garcia Rse. Okay, Joe, are you ready.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 7: Give it to me?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 4: All right? Benjamin rs Junior? Look at this motherfucker's picture.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: He's a pimp, right, want.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 7: Man larn my screen here?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 7: He looks like an og.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: He is an original gangster with the gold chain. He's
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: got that poncho mustache going on. Right. Well, say hello
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: everybody to Danny Arsay's brother, Benjamin. He passed away from
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: this life on September fifteenth, twenty fifteen, at the age
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: of seventy three. He was born in August twenty nine,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: forty two, in Dallas, Texas, to Benjamin RSA Senior and
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: Anita Doug GARCRSA Cocker. He worked at Landscape Systems of
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: Texas for twenty eight years, and he loved being outdoors,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: having backyard barbecue, spending time with family and friends, and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: he loved coming to Oklahoma to look for Bigfoot Joe.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: He never saw him, but knows that he heard him. Once.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: This motherfucker is a bigfoot hunter, all right. He was
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: also a diehard Dallas Cowboys fan. Ben is preceded in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: death by his parents, his brother Daniel, and two sisters
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: named Rosemary and Linda. So by twenty fifteen, our Danny
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: Arsey Goo Book Depository rsay is dead. He died before
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: Benjamin Arsey Junior. Okay, so least we know that Daniel
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: rs passed before twenty fifteen. Now I looked high low
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: in the bushes, behind doors, in the cracks for any
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 4: obituary of Daniel Garcia Arsey, and there is not one
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: out there. There's no fine the grave, there's no obituary,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: there's no nothing. So you see here. Now he leaves
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: behind a loving family. I mean, and this guy was
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 4: a prolific feedshooter. Okay. He leaves behind his wife, Shirley
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: Anne Sons. All right, get your fingers out, Joe and
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 4: start counting. Okay, Ones, Silas, Leon of the Home, Benjamin
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: the Third, Okay, Arthur, Steve, Raymond, and Eddie Raquel? How many?
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 7: How many is that I lost?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 8: Count?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: Okay? That was all of his kids. He also had
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: nineteen grandchildren and eleven great grandchildren as well as his
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: brothers and sisters Joe, Diane, Elizabeth, Sylvia, and Anita Garcia,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: all of Dallas, and their families. So the rsays were prolific.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: We're we're were prolific for generators of the human race,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: giant families, giant families. Yeah, and he wanted to be
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: buried in Antler's, Oklahoma, near where he heard Bigfoot, at
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 4: the Burkhart Funeral Service home. God bless his soul. So
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: what do you think, Joe about that?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 7: You know, as you were kind of reading that, I
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: was on chat GPT and asked, I'm sure you probably
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 7: went through these schoops already asked when did Danny Garcia
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 7: RSA die? And there is no any reliable published source
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: that documents this day of death.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 4: There's not There is literally nothing out there.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 7: I mean, I could search on an ancestry. I think
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: I'm gonna do that. I know things, I'll spit it out.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 7: I think I'm gonna do it. You're gonna have to
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 7: go through a lot of these family lines that we
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: just talked about and some of the rsays that you
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 7: brought up. And his brother, I believe it was his
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 7: younger brother. I find him to be more and more
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: sus as we continue to talk about him and someone
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 7: I've never really considered sus right, someone I like maybe
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 7: passed through my Spidey senses a little bit, and I
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 7: think there might be more to the story. I don't
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 7: know if this name was an alias or not. Remember
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 7: when we were looking at his history, remembers only he
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 7: only started working in the beginning of September at the TSPD. Yes,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 7: whereas someone like Joe Molina, who was also Hispanic, had
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 7: worked there since nineteen forty seven, but.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: He worked for a publishing company. He didn't actually work
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 4: for the school Book Depository, did he.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 7: I'm not one hundred for some sure, but it was
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 7: in the building for a long time.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: He wasn't new new Well, everybody was new to the building,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: that building, right.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 7: And we know RSA worked at initially the other building
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: right where Buell parked.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, many people did, because the Elma Street school Book
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: Depository as we know and love it today, was actually
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: not purchased and used until the summer of nineteen sixty three.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: Right before that, they were were in the Dow Text
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 4: Building and the other what they called the State Warehouse.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 4: The other building where Beil Fraser.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 7: Parked, which is kind of like across the street is from.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: There, it's behind it, behind it, behind it, further away
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: from the further away from the the sixth you know
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: where the sixth floor museum is. But that building on
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: Elm Street had just that's why they were replacing the floors,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 4: because the floors were still fucked up.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 7: Mm hm.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: They had spent the spring and summer refit redoing a
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: cup like the second and the fourth floor. I think
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: where the where the main offices were going to be
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: for the publishing companies and the parts that we're gonna
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: going to remain warehouse parts. I guess they were trying
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: to streamline their operations a little bit, you know. They
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: they were piecemealing it. And in an interview with I
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: think it was Bonnie Ray Williams, he said, Uh, basically,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: they were trying to keep the guys busy because they
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: didn't have anything to do, which makes no sense. Why
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: you're gonna hire all these bodies in September in October.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: You're gonna lay people off in August, but you're gonna
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: have a bunch of people in September and October, including Fraser,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: including Bonnie Ray, including Oswald, including Arse and god knows
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: who else. Right, and you're not busy? Yeah, remember school
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 4: normally starts after Labor Day, right, all the kids need
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: to have their textbooks by then. Okay, so what the
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: fuck are you doing in September and October? The school
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: year just started, the kids got their books. What are
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: you doing?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean to play Devil's advocate. You could either
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: be you know, improving the you know, the floors and
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 7: the different places where you store books. But it is
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 7: odd that they hired so many people in September and
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 7: October yet laid off a few in August. It's and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 7: you also can't disregard the fact that it just wasn't
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: a smooth running operation, business operation, right like you think
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 7: of like the Office, like the TV show, Like it
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: just could have just been a mess. But it is
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: a little weird, Yeah it is.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 4: It's a whole lot of weird, a whole a lot
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: of freaking weird.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: Check this out. So this is from Bonnie Ray. Williams.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 7: I don't know that that Dave. I don't believe so, No,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: he was not.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: This is from Bonnie Ray, May twenty sixth, sixty four
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 4: at FBI interview. Okay, Bonnie Ray Williams a warehouseman at
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: the school Book Depository and now resigns at whatever whatever.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: Williams advised it. On November twenty second, he left home
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: as usual seven twenty seven thirty. He arrived at the
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 4: school Book Depository around seven fifty, began work at eight,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: and on that date he was assigned to help put
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 4: down five eighth of an inch plywood over the existing
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: floor on the sixth floor of the school Book Depository building.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: He stated that in putting down the plywood, it was
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: necessary to move stock as the work progressed. Williams advised
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: that means they had to put boxes against the walls
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: and in front of the windows so they could get
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 4: to the floor. Correct. It wasn't a sniper's nest that
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: Oswald constructed, It was already there, Okay. Williams advised. They
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: stopped working on the sixth floor between eleven thirty and
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: twelve for lunch. He said it was at this time
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: that he went down to the first floor Joe to
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 4: wash his hands before eating his lunch. He said he
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: picked up his lunch, which was in the Domino room
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: break groom on the first.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 7: Floor and the Negroes eight, if you will.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: And returned with his lunch to the sixth floor, where
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: he intended to watch the motorcade from. Williams advised that,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: according to his recollection, he took up a position at
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: the third window over from the southeast corner of the
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: School of Depository building. He said his lunch consisted of
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: several pieces of fried chicken, some bread, and a package
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 4: of free does. He also said he drank a bottle
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: of dr Pepper while he ate his lunch. Williams advised,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: to the best of his recollection, that he completed his
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: lunch between twelve and twelve fifteen. He left them bones,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: some wax paper, and a brown bag on the floor
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: by the window where he consumed his lunch. Yeah also
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: said he left his doctor Pepper bottle sitting on a
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: box in the same location. Okay, now, from where he
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: was sitting on the sixth floor, he heard voices coming
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: from the floor below him, and since there apparently was
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: no one else on the sixth floor, he decided to
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: go down to the fifth floor to view the parade
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 4: with his other employees. Williams advised that he did not
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: see or hear Lee Harvey Oswell on the sixth floor
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: of the school Book Depository building at this time, but
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: added that because of the position of the boxes, he
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: would not have been able to see him from his location.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 12: Sure, yeah, that was added by what was the hypeman. Yeah,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 12: just put a little more reasonable doubt in there.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know about that, but I mean,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: think about it for a second, all right. So they
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: knock off for lunch at about eleven fifty Yet he
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: goes downstairs, he gets his lunch out of the Domino room,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: and he goes back up to the sixth floor. So
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: you figure he's getting back up to the sixth floor
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: about I'll be nice, say eleven fifty five, twelve ish,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: write ten five, ten minutes right to go down, get
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 4: his lunch and.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 10: Then go back.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Mortar Kat is also running a few.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: Minutes late, right, So he's eating what he called a
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: chicken sandwich on the bone. Okay, I don't know how
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: you can eat a sandwich that has a bone in it.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: You know, you want a boneless, like breastfully you know
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: what I mean, chicken sandwich. Yeah, but whatever, I'm not judging.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of fried chicken too, Bonnie. You know,
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: I just wouldn't eat a regular chicken breast on bread
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: like you're gonna bite into bones and shit. You know,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know about that.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: Did they have boneless swings back then? Oh no, that's a.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: New So he's gonna he's gonna eat a sandwich like that, okay,
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 4: which is gonna take a little time to get all
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: the meat away from the bone, you know, at least
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: five minutes. Right then he also has what else did
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: he have? He had some free dos right, you had
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: a bag of free doze, and he drinking doctor Pepper.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: So now it's gonna take five or ten minutes to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: eat a bag of Frito's and drinking entire Doctor Pepper.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: Right now, we're up to twelve ten, twelve fifteen. Now, Joe,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: after you eat all that, what do you need.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 7: A smoke or you need a new port?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: Yes? And he so you know you aged the lunch
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: chilling and they're smoking your new port, Your newdy looking
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: down on the wondering when the President's coming. But I'm
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 4: not looking over this way, right, I see I was
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: walk crouching in the corner over there with a rifle,
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 4: moving boxes. Yeah, breathing and shit, not breathing, not making this,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: not making a peep for fifteen or twenty minutes, getting.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 7: His gun from wherever if he, you know, had a
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: gun there, from wherever it was stored, which might have
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 7: been at the other diagonal part near the stairwall, if
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 7: it was like where it was found.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 4: For example, old ten, twelve fifteen, you're smoking sig, you know,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: chilling another five ten minutes smoking a cigarette. Now we're
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: getting closed.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 7: Let's say five, let's say five.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: All right, okay, now we're up to twelve twenty roughly ish. Yeah.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: Then maybe you hear the dudes down and say, hey,
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: who down there, Hey, Hank, what's up?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Man?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: Come join us.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna come down. I'm gonna come down there. I'm
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: gonna come down. Hold on, I ain't throwing my shit
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: away either. I'm just gonna leave it here.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 7: Fuck it, I'm gonna be right back.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe he was done eating, he was done smoking, he's
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: done drinking. He's just gonna leave his trash now. I
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: throw the shit in the trash can, which is a
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 4: Scuffusa maneuver. But that's okay. So he's up on the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: sixth floor, allegedly until almost twelve twenty twelve, twenty five,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 4: and doesn't see her, hear Oswald at all, doesn't see her,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 4: hear anybody at all. Right, Then he goes down to
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 4: the fifth floor. Supposedly Charles Doherty's on the fifth floor.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: They don't see him, He don't see them. What's going
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: on here? I don't know.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 7: It's a mess.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: It's a mess, total mess.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 5: What.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: Let's get into a little bit about Yulia Postal.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 7: Okay, Sally says, just sent you an email. I've got
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 7: him alive and irving at the age of eighty. Let's
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 7: do the quick math here, we're sixty three years out.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 7: He would have had to have been seventeen. He wasn't
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 7: that young, unless you just mean eighties, right. I think
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 7: it was like twenty two or twenty four or something
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: like that.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Arse, I don't know, all right, got to get me,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 4: Oh no, they have to get me. Joe, you hear me? Joe?
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 5: No? Go?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 7: Can you guys hear me? Still?
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: Can you hear me? Crazy?
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 7: Yes? I am I am here?
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 7: Yes? I kind of That is a hell of a lunch,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 7: especially if you're spitting out chicken bones from your sandwich,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 7: although I don't really trust.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: His angers all greasy and shit, yeah.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 7: His use of the word sandwiches and like between bread,
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 7: but who knows. I'm just going to read a couple
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 7: of comments before we move on really quickly. Was on
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 7: a couple of months behind.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: That is an interesting fine Sally may maybe it's maybe,
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: but there's a lot of freaking rss mm, a lot of.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 7: All right, all right, so yes, let's move on to
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: missus Postal.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so let me show everybody with the genesis of
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 4: why we're looking into Julia Postal, you know, the alleged
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 4: white girl in the ticket booth at the Texas Theater.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: It is because in this book, the Cuba Files. As
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: I showed everyone in the book review, Fabian Escalante very
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: high up in the Cuban G two intelligence apparatus. Right,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: he is a Fidel, dedicated Fidel supporter and still lives
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: in Havana to this day. But in the back of his.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 7: Book, Jantet is still living in Havana today.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, wow. He lists one hundred and sixty eight
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: names of Cuban exiles. Okay, in the appendix, I'll show
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: you Cuban exiles investigated in relation to President Kennedy's assassination.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: And they're in alphabetical order here. Okay, as you can see,
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: they are all Latino names. Okay except for one. So
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: let me turn the page and show you the P section.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: Where are we at here?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: Right there at the top, second from the top. Julia Postal?
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: All right, how in the hell she classified as a
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: Cuban exile that was investigated by Fabian Escalante in.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: The G two.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 7: That's very interesting, Yeah.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 4: Pretty interesting considering where she works, considering where Oswald was caught.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, So do we have an undercovered Cuban exile
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 4: at the Texas Theater or was this Oswald's contact? He
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: was supposed to be at the theater and he thought
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: it might have been a patron, but it was actually
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: the chick taking the tickets, and he didn't go to her.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: He's snuck in the fucking building and missed his contact
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 4: with his Cuban exile contact.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 4: Remember there's reports of him getting up and moving around
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: in the theater, sitting next to a woman, a pregnant woman,
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 4: and he thought that might be her, but wasn't supposed
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 4: to be Julia Postal posted up out front.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 7: Postal posted.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: Now, Joe, do you have a picture of Julia Postal?
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm bringing up right now. Just give me a second.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: We're getting a little laggy here, as I always do
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: when I download power points from one laptop to another.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 7: But it's coming. Just give me a second. And it
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: is her in the ticket booth and Rob, do you
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: think she could have been considered a baddie?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: Well, if you ever get a fucking picture up here,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: I will sometimes night.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 7: It's coming now.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 4: Hold where's the fucking Jeopardy theme? And the SpongeBob meme
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: two years later, by the way.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 7: Is a great meme. All right, I'm getting up here.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 7: That's what she said, that's what that's what he said.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: And he's frozen. H What the hell?
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: Uh?
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: All that build up for nothing? God damn? All right,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 4: let me pull up a picture of Julia Postal.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 7: I got it. Hold on, all right, I'm not frozen anymore.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: Just give me a second.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 4: But mm hmmmmm. Shot, it's a race. The race is on,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: As George Jones would say, right about now, who will
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 4: get Julia Postle up first? Robert, Joe, lay your bets now, folks. Oh,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: if you bet to Rob, you won. There she is
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 4: in all black and white glory. Now does she look Cuban?
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: You know, if Julia Postal was a supple, fair skinned
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: blonde chick, maybe not. But there's nothing about her that
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 4: screams I am not Cuban, just saying yeah, oh no.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: And there are younger pictures of it too, from her
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: school days and she looks like an even younger Latina girl.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 7: Yes, that is from her obituary, which is where I
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 7: got this color picture from. And bro, I'm sorry when
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 7: I fucking transfer these power points, they just like this
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 7: computer just lags.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Up on me.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: Excuses there, put this up. But yeah, yeah, that is her.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: Now, not a very not a very Cuban name, okay,
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 4: Julia Elizabeth Julie Nelson Postal. Mm hmm, all right, that's
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: not a very Cuban name.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 7: But she looks cuban ish, dark hair, I think, dark eyes.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 4: You can call me Yuli, Yulia.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 7: Would you say beattie or not beattie?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it depends on uh. Alright. She was
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: born in twenty four, so in sixty three she would
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: have been thirty nine. Yeah, so a bit of an
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: older unit at that time. Not a bad milk Imperial Maybe.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'd say so.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: Well, Milfi little Molfi not bad.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're going to have to do ancestry deep dives
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 7: more than we've done this episode on Postal and Arsa.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: Actually we're not.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 7: Oh why not?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 4: Because I found some shit on Julia Postal. Oh okay,
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 4: are you ready for this? I am? All right? Hang on,
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 4: It's about to get real fucking interesting, folks, So hold
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: on to your hats.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 7: Let's think slow uploads for three on the drip.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Alex h All right, here we go.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 4: Check this out. All right now, let me blow this
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 4: up here so we can all read it. Single grave
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: for victims mister and Missus J. Nelson funeral is set
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 4: for Saturday. This is kind of weird. One large grave
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 4: in Lisbon Cemetery will receive the caskets of Missus Pearl
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: Nelson and Merley Jay Nelson, victims of a double shooting
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 4: Thursday afternoon at the Nelson home on Ingle Street, South
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 4: Cliff Heights. Double funeral services will be held at the
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 4: Lamar and Smith Undertaking Company and will be attended by
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: the five orphaned girls of the divorced parents. Okay, the
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: Reverend L. L. Choppapaul, pastor of the Trinity Heights Baptist Church,
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: will officiate the funeral. Cordage will then move to Lisbon
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 4: Cemetery for burial. The five girls left orphans by the
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: tragedy have been taken into the home of mister and
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: missus Charles Nelson Riley. No, I'm choking, Joe, you have
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 4: no idea who Charles Nelson Riley is. I'm not even
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 4: gonna ask. Okay, their uncle and aunt quote. I'm going
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: to keeping at least for the present, maybe not the future,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: but for right now. I watch them, them five orphaned girls.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: I don't want them set raided, said Missus Nelson, who
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: is mothering the girls along with her four children, for
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 4: a grand total of nine fucking kids, which is to
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 4: me is total hell. Okay. The five children are Pearl Francis,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 4: Little Jimmy, Lee, Marrill, Nona, Julia Elizabeth aged four, and
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 4: Margaret aged two. So Joe Julia at the tender age
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: of four years old. Her parents are killed at the
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 4: same time and are buried in one single grave. The
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 4: shooting took place in the rear room of the Nelson home.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 4: Missus Nelson died almost immediately and Nelson mister Nelson an
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 4: hour later in Methodist Hospital. Paul bears will be whoever
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 4: the hell all these people are. This was in the
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 4: Dallas Morning News Saturday, February fourth, nineteen twenty eight. Okay,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 4: so Julia Postal never knew her real parents, right, was
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 4: at least raised for a little while by her aunt Lunk,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: which is okay. Beyond that, I don't know if they
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 4: were ever put into like foster care or whatever. I
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, now, there's a lot to keep up,
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 4: especially five girls kill me now, yeah, okay.
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 7: I mean, and of course very unfortunate. But when you
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 7: talk about someone, you can manipulate if that's the word,
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 7: or go astray and get involved in something.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: Especially if she's orphaned.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 7: Right, that's that's ding ding ding.
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 4: That is ding ding ding. What wait, Joe, there's more.
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 7: Okay, And Timmy Gardner's in the house. What's up, buddy, keep.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 4: Your ears on. Hope you learned something, Timmy? Here we go,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 4: all right, I got a death certificate here, Joe of
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: Merley Nelson. This would be her father. This is Julia
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: Postle's father. Okay, Merle Merley, Okay, m y R. L
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: I e oh Nelson and why Okay. Yeah, he's a male,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 4: he's white, he's divorced, right, okay. Date of death is
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 4: February second, nineteen twenty eight.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 7: Right, she was born in twenty four That makes sense.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 4: Yep, he was born in eighteen ninety seven. He was
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 4: thirty years old, nine months and four days at the
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 4: time of his death, and he was a mechanic by trade.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: Down here occupation. Now, let me point you over here
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 4: in the direction of the other side of this under
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 4: medical particulars. Okay. Held an inquest on February third at
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 4: eight am. Cause of death was as follows, gunshot, wound,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 4: self inflicted, contributory suicidal. Okay, so what happened here? They
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 4: were divorced.
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 7: Did you shoot her and then shoot himself?
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, he shot her, killed her and then shot himself. Yes,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 4: murder suicide, yes, yes, very interesting.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: M hm.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay, there's more. Here's their one grave. Right, You're
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 4: gonna torture this poor woman not only in life but
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 4: in death by planting her in the ground with the
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: person that killed her in one grave. And I wouldn't
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: even label this motherfucker's grave with father. You know, if
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 4: you're one of their kids. Whoever paid for this headstone?
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: Why would you? Well, it's not the act of a father.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 7: We have to think the uncle or someone obviously Julia
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 7: or siblings didn't.
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: Pay for it. Right, No, not that age. But you
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 4: know who in the right mind had to be an adult?
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 4: But who would put father above the Merley's name for
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 4: what he did?
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 10: Man?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 7: And this is nineteen twenty eight, pro who knows?
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 7: But still and it looks like there's a bunch of
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 7: blood on the costs too.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 4: That's what we call moth bro I know this is ironic.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 4: They're lost to sight, to memory, dear asleep in Jesus,
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: asleep in Jesus. Okay, now let's talk about Pearl Nelson,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: Julia Postle's mother. Okay, all right. This is from a census.
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 7: Because her her father they described as white. Correct.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll get there.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 7: Okay, I'm just bringing bringing everyone back up to speed here.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: All right, So we got Pearl Nelson. This is her mother,
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 4: age twenty three. This is from a census taken in
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 4: nineteen twenty She's whitey female, wifey right, married at the
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 4: time to Merley Nelson. Her father's birthplace is Switzerland and
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 4: her mother's birthplace is Switzerland?
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  Speaker 7: Interesting to English? Yes?
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: Able to read, yes, able to write yes? Okay. At
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: the time, the other people in the house were Merley,
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 4: her husband, Pearl, her mother, I mean her Murley, her father, Pearl,
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  Speaker 4: her mother. I guess Pearl Junior is three years old.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know who the hell James Nelson is.
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  Speaker 7: And of course this is sorry, the nineteen twenty census.
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  Speaker 7: So Julia would have not been born yet, correct, okay?
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  Speaker 7: And evil or say.
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  Speaker 4: So that is that?
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 13: Now?
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: Is Julia postal Cuban exile. It doesn't seem like it
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 4: on the surface. But she don't look wait to me,
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: oh she.
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  Speaker 7: Would have had you would think blondish.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 4: Hair, right, And I don't know about look. I should
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 4: have fucking clipped it and I didn't. But there was
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: an interview and it might have been in his Warm
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 4: Commission testimony with Danny Garcia where he claimed that he
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 4: was a white male. Now you look at that motherfucker.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 4: You ain't white brom Okay. So, but they were classified that,
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 4: they classified them different, like if you if you weren't
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 4: black back, then you're white, Okay.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 7: The hispanic I don't think so, like option. And and
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 7: you have to remember someone like all these Hispanics really
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 7: tried to assimilate and become white. And you talk about
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 7: people like Sergio Arcotia getting adopting the name Smith. Right,
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 7: this is what they kind of we're going for wrong.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 4: Well, you're right, and look, you're in Texas, you're in
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 4: these border border states. And you know, again he called
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 4: himself white, Danny Rsa did. Now could they be applying
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: the same kind of logic to Juliet Postal's father. I mean,
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: how many white dudes you know named Merley? Right? Merley?
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know very many. But and
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 4: that's not saying that that's an Hispanic name, but you
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 4: never know, right, So if she was Cuban, it was
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: likely on her father's side and not her mother's given
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 4: her from Switzerland, right, But she again is not fair
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 4: skin nor blonde, nor blue eyed, right, which you would imagine.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 4: I know, I'm casting a wide net here on people
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 4: from Switzerland, but you know, normally when you think of
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 4: Swedish women, you think, you know, I don't know, sparotypically whatever.
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 4: And she does appear to look a little Latina to me,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 4: but and I look dude, all through this book, there's
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 4: not anything else, And I saw somebody asking there's there's
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 4: not that I've found, And I have not read this
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 4: book cover to cover, but I have gone in depth
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 4: on a couple of the relevant chapters in this book
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 4: that are interesting me right now. And I have not
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: seen him address Julia postal per Se in the book,
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: but she is on the list of Cuban exiles that
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 4: he investigated, right.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 7: So let's go back to Fabian Escalante for a second.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 7: Either A, it's a complete mistake that this random woman
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 7: from the Texas theater is put on this list of
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 7: Cubans that Key's investigating, or B he might know something
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 7: we don't.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 4: How dare you sally interrupt this show with facts only
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: happening yet.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 7: Same different, same difference.
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 4: We're all white, blind hot chicks. Whatever.
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 7: And it was interesting that someone said earlier Escalante is
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 7: still alive, you know, not that I think we'll get
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 7: the chance to ask him, But why do you have
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 7: her on this list? Because it's very random white people
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 7: names on his list, folks, Unless it's a complete typo mistake,
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 7: I'm just saying that's of a coincidence, dude, I'm saying
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 7: I think he might have known something we didn't, and
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 7: it doesn't mean that. I guess it could mean that
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 7: maybe she had some Cuban exile boyfriend's connections whatever, and
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 7: she was kind of inserted onto this list.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 4: I guess that's a possibility, but in part Cuban on
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 4: her father's side, we just don't know his genealogy correct.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 7: But those are the only three options. I see it
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 7: complete mistake, which I don't put high on the list.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 7: She was on the list for a reason, or she
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 7: had some type of connections with Cuban exiles. Those are
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 7: the only three.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 4: And the fact that she's on the list in Dallas
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 4: at the Texas Theater where O's what happens to be
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: arrested at when he's where he's looking for a contact
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 4: apparently at Hell, is sus.
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, especially if he thought he was getting out of
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 7: Cuba that day.
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 4: Maybe we don't we don't know.
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 7: We don't know, of course, but if you thought that,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 7: she could have been.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: At least to figure out what to do next type
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: of thing, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: know either, so for sure.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I think there's a I think we're really
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 7: onto something with URSA. I think there's more to be
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 7: done on that account. I don't know exactly where. It
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 7: will be a different research project in the future to
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 7: kind of dig even deeper than the triple B digs.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 7: I'm saying we both did deeper. But people you don't
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 7: think as being exactly like your top suspects could might
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 7: have had played some role. What role was that? We
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 7: don't know.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just spitballing here. You know, if you want
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: to implicate the anti castro of Cubans in the plot
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: to a take Kennedy out and be set up Oswald
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: for the hit, okay, you gotta be ready, willing and
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 4: able to try to figure out the rest of the
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: story here. That's all we're trying to do. We're not
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 4: saying any of it. This is definite written in stone.
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 9: You know.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: We're just spitballing just to see where we're at here,
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 4: see what we got. You know, this is thinking out
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: loud if you will. But you know, you take all
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 4: these little things into consideration, and it's like, I'm gonna
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: smell right here. You know when you think about that,
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 4: the actual the Cuban exile population in Dallas was much
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 4: larger than anybody thought, right, that we learned from father
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 4: McCann and that whole deal with Sylvia Odio. And then
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 4: apparently Odio told somebody that the people that came with
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: Oswald were dre and she refused to ever identify who
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 4: came to her door. She told mccainn. Even even if
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: I knew who they were, I never would tell.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 7: Right, that's the betrayal, right, and crazy that you found
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 7: this other Rsay in Miami that has ties to Dury.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 7: Problem.
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's lots of Rsays out there, a lot
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: of Oursays.
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 7: But maybe they'll be her nice Martins series.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 4: They're not all related, you know, or maybe they are
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 4: are all the Barelli's related somewhere down the line. Probably
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 4: weird name, well, I mean, it's not like Smith or
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 4: something where all the Smiths are related to each other.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 4: Maybe not, but it's not the most common name, right,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 4: and Rsea is not that common of a name allegedly.
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know when when you're looking at all
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: of these uh names, you know, these Cuban exile names,
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 4: and you're looking at Bay of Pigs inventory. Members of
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 4: Brigade twenty five or six people are involved in the
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 4: Bay of Pigs in these in these student groups, you
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 4: don't see RSA very often. You know, there's a lot
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 4: of Hernandez Rodriguez Martinez, a lot of them, a lot
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 4: of them. You know, a lot of Jorges Jose's, uh,
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: you know, things like that. I don't know. It's an
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 4: interesting it's interesting to think about, for sure.
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 7: As GPI Davil said, if Escalante investigated the names in
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 7: this list, I think that's what Rob said, then there's
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 7: a file somewhere. Yeah, I mean, if he's still alive,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 7: it would be interesting to ask him. I don't know
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 7: if he has a fucking email address or anything, but
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 7: it would be interesting to ask him. How does Juliet
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 7: Postal fit on this list?
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 9: Bro?
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 7: Maybe we could ask through connections and through the BSD
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 7: community for an email address. How cool would it have
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 7: been to have been at that conference, not only location wise,
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 7: in the behind.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: I am on the website right now and I am
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 4: looking to see if there's anything about Postal on here,
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 4: because uh, it's interesting.
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 7: Mister Lin back in the house. The uh, hey, Joel,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 7: the Mirald gets the worm good stuff?
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 7: The first name of the Nelson guy?
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 9: All right?
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: Index to site documents, Oh, person's personalities.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 9: M m mmm, I'm not seeing everyway. Who's that hot chick?
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 9: That's not her?
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: Search this site internal server area. You gotta be kidding me.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 4: All right, I can't search the cup an exile site,
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 4: but uh maybe part two. There's a lot of documents
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 4: on there to go through, like one by one, but
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 4: I'll task Joe with that for part two.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 7: Thanks bro, Hey, it took.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 4: It easy on you tonight.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 7: You did you go? Just show up? I was like, okay,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 7: you see enough.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 4: We'll be saying yeah, old you had a lot of
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 4: shit on Danny R say yeah, and Postal. I was
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 4: just like, you know what, just just show up.
• 2:18:22
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• 2:18:27
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• 2:18:33
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• 2:18:48
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• 2:18:50
  Speaker 4: And uh muchos gracias is Danny Arse would say maybe
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 4: and maybe Postal, Yeah, maybe postal?
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 7: All right, let me see. Well, the good news is
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 7: the damned dog is right here.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 4: Be careful don't hurt her anymore than she's already hurting Joe.
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 7: You know, look look at this.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 9: Hold on.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's missing. Oh my god, look at that ass.
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah it's shaved.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 4: Is that a puncture wound?
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 2:19:31
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• 2:19:36
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• 2:19:39
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• 2:20:12
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• 2:20:16
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• 2:20:25
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• 2:20:49
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• 2:21:06
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