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Sharri | 3 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Shari Well.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Sharry Markson, who'll be
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Speaker 3: back behind the desk tomorrow night, so make sure you
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Speaker 3: tune in. Coming up this evening, Interest rates are rising
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Speaker 3: again and Jim Chalmers is somehow blaming the opposition. Will
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Speaker 3: break down what the Reserve Bank's move means for your
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Speaker 3: mortgage and whether this is a one off rise or
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Speaker 3: a sign of things to come. The Coalition is still split,
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Speaker 3: with the Nationals now digging in. There's also a senior
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Speaker 3: MP threatening to walk if the Libs won't agree to
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Speaker 3: repeal the hate speech laws. Is the coalition marriage beyond
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Speaker 3: saving and who benefits from the chaos? Plus Corey Benardi
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Speaker 3: is back on the political field, not with the Liberals
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Speaker 3: but as one nation's big South Australian recruit. What does
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Speaker 3: that mean for the Rising Party? All of that coming
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Speaker 3: up shortly, but first let me catch you up with
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Speaker 3: events in Canberra today.
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Speaker 2: Politicians began the day in.
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Speaker 3: Church, which was appropriate because well, God knows they need
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Speaker 3: help or is it the public that needs divine intervention?
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Speaker 3: I think at this stage we can agree we all
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Speaker 3: need a miracle. The way people approach church is to me,
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Speaker 3: always revealing. Even before the Saint Paul's Anglican Service, Nationals
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Speaker 3: leader David Little Proud Well, he was telling the media
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Speaker 3: that he was sinless.
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Speaker 2: Were you hoping for forgiveness in there today? Nothing to
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Speaker 2: be forgiven for.
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Speaker 3: Nationals MP Matt Canavan said he would be looking for
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Speaker 3: divine intervention, praying.
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Speaker 4: For anything, Yeah, say some prayers.
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Speaker 3: While Liberal MP Tim Wilson was promising to impress upon
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Speaker 3: the Good Lord the urgency of the coalition's dire situation.
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Speaker 2: Deliverance. Now.
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Speaker 3: By contrast, the Prime Minister told journalists he'd be talking
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Speaker 3: to Jesus about other matters entirely praying for a.
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Speaker 2: Rabbit ozst all wait, always praying.
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Speaker 3: I'll talk about labor arrogance in a moment. But what
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Speaker 3: do you make of a PM who twice chooses to
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Speaker 3: reject the Bible when being sworn in as PM, while
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Speaker 3: still expecting Jesus to help out his footy team. We'll
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Speaker 3: see where the Heaven smiles on South Sydney. But I
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Speaker 3: can tell you this much, the Liberal and National parties
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Speaker 3: received no divine intervention whatsoever because the moment Church wrapped up,
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Speaker 3: everything went straight to hell. When Parliament resumed at two pm,
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee and David little Proud still hadn't agreed on
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Speaker 3: how to spitch the coalition back together. This after a
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Speaker 3: long meeting the night before designed to clear the air,
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Speaker 3: which mostly.
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Speaker 2: Seems to have cleared the exits.
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Speaker 3: Remember, Little Proud had previously sworn there would be no
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Speaker 3: reunification while Susan Lee remained Liberal Leader.
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Speaker 5: We cannot be part our party room has made it
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Speaker 5: very clear we cannot be part of a shadow ministry
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Speaker 5: under Susan Lee. No one in our our ministry could
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Speaker 5: work in the Susan Lee ministry and my party in
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Speaker 5: made that clear, and that's why the coalition was made untenable.
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Speaker 3: Well, he since walked that back after it became evident
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Speaker 3: that neither Angus Taylor nor Andrew Hasty were about to
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Speaker 3: oust the woman who defended the Nats by expelling three
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Speaker 3: of them from the front bench for voting against hate
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Speaker 3: speech laws.
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Speaker 5: No I said we could work with Susan unless our
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Speaker 5: three were reinstated. We've been very clear about that. We've
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Speaker 5: been consistent about that. We can work with anybody in
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Speaker 5: the Liberal Party. But we were agrieved with the fact
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Speaker 5: that something as serious as hate speech laws that we
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Speaker 5: weren't afforded the ability to make our own minds up.
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Speaker 3: Okay, then, well, last night Susan Lee offered to reinstate
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Speaker 3: them after they'd served a six month suspension for voting
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Speaker 3: against the coalition.
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Speaker 2: It was the old give a little, take a little tactic.
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee proves herself strong by suspending the Nats who
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Speaker 3: failed to support her shadow cabinet position, and David Little
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Speaker 3: Prowd can have Bridget Mackenzie, Ross Cadell and Susan McDonald
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Speaker 3: back on the shadow bench around July, so everybody loses
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Speaker 3: and everybody wins. Of course, it didn't help that the
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Speaker 3: Liberals offer was leaked to the media before most Nationals
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Speaker 3: had even heard about it, which prompted this rebuke from
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud, who said, and I quote, we won't
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Speaker 3: be providing updates on any negotiations through the media. Well
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Speaker 3: Lenk's aside, David Little Prowd said he would consider the
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Speaker 3: offer kind of like I'm considering holidaying next year in
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Speaker 3: the US or maybe in Europe. Then again, I might
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Speaker 3: just stay home and then out of nowhere. National's MP
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Speaker 3: Lou O'Brien suddenly announced he'd quit the Nationals altogether if
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Speaker 3: they rejoined the coalition without a commitment to repeal the
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Speaker 3: government's hate speech laws laws the Liberals voted for just
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Speaker 3: over a week ago. I can't see Susan Lee agreeing
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Speaker 3: to that, can you, which begs the question where would
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Speaker 3: Lou O'Brien go, which brings us nicely to One Nation.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson was missing from the Federal Parliament today. It's
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Speaker 3: not that she didn't want to be there, it's just
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Speaker 3: that she's currently like three NAT members suspended. She suspended
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Speaker 3: from Parliament for a dress code violation last year. Now,
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Speaker 3: Hanson used her free time today to announce that former
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Speaker 3: Liberal senator Cory Bernardi was the latest high profile name
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Speaker 3: to join One Nation. Benardi's pitch, I think will resonate
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Speaker 3: with a lot of people.
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Speaker 6: Without a viable third force in this country, we will
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Speaker 6: be left to the mercies of the two parties who
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Speaker 6: are undeserving of your confidence and your faith.
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Speaker 3: Meanwhile, back in Canberra, a National MP was anonymously telling
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Speaker 3: The Australian that it was a hard no to Susan
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Speaker 3: Lee's offer, describing it as offensive, so much for David
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Speaker 3: Little Proud's boast that the NATS wouldn't engage in negotiation
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Speaker 3: via the media. So all of this leaves labor free
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Speaker 3: to continue dismantling the country without any meaningful opposition. And
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Speaker 3: the hubris today, well it was something to behold. Interest
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Speaker 3: rates went up this afternoon and Jim Chalmers, with a
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Speaker 3: straight face, blamed the Opposition for wanting a rate rise.
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Speaker 7: They desperately want an interest rate rise today. They desperately
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Speaker 7: want some bad economic news because they want Australians to
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Speaker 7: be under pressure, because they think that helps them politically.
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Speaker 3: So the rate rise was the coalition's fault. They willed
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Speaker 3: interest rates up for their own brazen political purposes. The
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Speaker 3: kind of monetary telekinesis. But I guess when the PM
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Speaker 3: is doing married at first sight gags. Well, everyone on
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Speaker 3: the labor side fancies themselves as Seinfeld. Check out the
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Speaker 3: PM's performance in Parliament today. Now time had been called
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Speaker 3: on Susan Lee after she spoke at length about how
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Speaker 3: the rate rise would add one hundred dollars a month
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Speaker 3: to the average home loan, and this was the PM's response.
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Speaker 2: I do encourage my people, do not yell out time.
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Speaker 2: There's enough behind her doing that at the moment. Well,
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Speaker 2: that got her good, didn't it?
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Speaker 3: Hang on a second, wasn't it just the other day
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Speaker 3: that Anthony Alberinezi was accusing Angus Taylor and Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 3: of misogyny for picking on Susan Lee, a woman. The
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Speaker 3: problem with hubris is that it's highly contagious. Have listened
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Speaker 3: to Federal Labor Senator Nita Green today calling the coalition
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Speaker 3: a bunch of cookers.
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Speaker 8: No matter what happens today, the Nats are full of
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Speaker 8: cookers and the Libs are cooked.
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Speaker 2: Nice line. Just one problem.
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Speaker 3: When people hear this about the politicians they voted for,
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Speaker 3: they tend to hear it directed at themselves. Nita Green's
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Speaker 3: comment had more of a whiff of Hillary Clinton about it.
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Speaker 9: You could put half of Trump's supporters into what I
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Speaker 9: call the basket of deplorables.
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Speaker 3: Right, and we all remember how that ended. I'm old
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Speaker 3: enough to remember when Anthony Albinezi promised us his government
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Speaker 3: was going to be characterized by respect and civility, and
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Speaker 3: judging by the latest polls that have the government's primary
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Speaker 3: vote hovering around thirty percent, I'd be careful dancing on
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Speaker 3: the coalition's grave just in case they slip.
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Speaker 2: By the way, how does.
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Speaker 3: Calling country people cookers help with Labour's social cohesion project.
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Speaker 2: They're supposed to govern.
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Speaker 3: For everyone, yet throw around derogatory terms for opponents and
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Speaker 3: their supporters, all the while rolling out hate speech laws
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Speaker 3: because language matters. When the interest rate rise came through,
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Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers had this to say in Parliament.
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Speaker 7: Each side of the House is focused on the cost
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Speaker 7: of living challenge. That side of the House is focused
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Speaker 7: on who sits where from one week to the next.
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Speaker 7: We won't be distracted by opposition parties which are divided,
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Speaker 7: divisive and in disarray.
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Speaker 3: I love how he claims to be folks used on
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Speaker 3: helping Australians.
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Speaker 2: We won't be distracted by opposition parties.
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Speaker 3: And then to prove that he's not distracted by opposition parties,
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Speaker 3: he rolls out adjectives to describe opposition parties divided, divisive
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Speaker 3: and in disarray. Which makes you wonder if someone spent
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Speaker 3: more time working on their alliteration than on their economic policy.
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Speaker 2: I think we all know the answer to that.
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Speaker 3: To give him his due as a comedian, not as
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Speaker 3: a treasurer, This one was actually pretty good.
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Speaker 7: I thank the Shadow Treasurer, mister Speaker, who is also
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Speaker 7: now I'm told the shadow Assistant Treasurer they found the
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Speaker 7: only bike over there who could work within, mister Speaker,
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Speaker 7: and they're still not convinced there won't be leaking of
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Speaker 7: private conversations.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad Labor and Liberal MPs find the current state
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Speaker 3: of political representation in this country funny, as that great
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Speaker 3: political commentator William Shakespeare once said, a po's on both
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Speaker 3: their houses. Well, as I said, Corey Bernardi is One
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Speaker 3: Nation's latest recruit, you set to lead their legislative Council
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Speaker 3: ticket at the next South Australian election, and he's already
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Speaker 3: geeing up supporters telling them One Nation, rather than the Liberals,
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Speaker 3: will be the real opposition.
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Speaker 6: I can assure you of this, whether we have one seat,
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Speaker 6: we have five seats, or twenty two seats, we will
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Speaker 6: be the strongest voice of opposition that this government has
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Speaker 6: ever faced.
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Speaker 1: I can assure you of that.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and
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Speaker 3: GXO Strategies director Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both. Great
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Speaker 3: to have you on the program. Holly, what do you
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Speaker 3: take from Corey Bernardi being one nation's big surprise.
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Speaker 9: What don't offer it is that much of a big surprise.
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Speaker 9: I started to hear whispers of that last week. I
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Speaker 9: think it's been circulating for a while. We keep hearing
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Speaker 9: that there's lots of announcements coming from one nation. What
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Speaker 9: I do think it is indicative, though, is that the
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Speaker 9: Coalition are just in such total disart and it is
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Speaker 9: doing such a disservice to all Australians.
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Speaker 10: We've had another interest rate rise today.
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Speaker 9: This government is absolutely destroying our country economically. They are
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Speaker 9: constantly overspending and injecting way too much money into the economy,
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Speaker 9: which is leading to these inflation issues. And yet the
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Speaker 9: Coalition has nothing to say about it except talk about themselves.
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Speaker 9: And you know, this ridiculous performance we're seeing from David
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Speaker 9: Little Proud and the Nats and the NAT saying, oh,
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Speaker 9: we're going to resign if we don't roll back speech.
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Speaker 9: You know, I hate speech that some of them had
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Speaker 9: voted for the week before, others just abstained. Then we
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Speaker 9: had the performative art of the senators crossing the floor
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Speaker 9: with David Little Proud sitting in the center. I mean,
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Speaker 9: it's just pathetic. It's doing Australians a disservice. I really
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Speaker 9: don't even want to talk about the Liberals and the
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Speaker 9: big swinging fallacies and they're inappropriate meeting before a funeral
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Speaker 9: and all the shenanigans they're carrying on with yet without
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Speaker 9: the gumption to stump up.
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Speaker 10: I'm not surprised Win Corey will be there.
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Speaker 9: And you know, at some stage someone's got to present
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Speaker 9: an opposition and God, God knows who it's going to be.
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Speaker 10: At this stage of the.
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Speaker 3: Game, we're staying on Corey Bernardi Cameron. South Australia, of
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Speaker 3: course has a labor government. The announcement of Corey Bernardi's
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Speaker 3: entrance into the competition, who does it hurt more, Labor
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Speaker 3: or the Liberals?
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Speaker 11: I think the liberals. I think one nation is still
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Speaker 11: taking from the coalition and Peter Malanowskas is a phenomenally
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Speaker 11: popular premier in South Australia. So because say, I mean,
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Speaker 11: you know, one nation's got to do better than using
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Speaker 11: has been some blowhards from the past James, I mean
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Speaker 11: Corey Bernardi, I mean, goodness me, I mean, what a
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Speaker 11: great thing to do for one nation. One nation's got
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Speaker 11: to do better if they've got the polls the way
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Speaker 11: they are, they can't turn the people. Are Corey for
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Speaker 11: the answer.
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Speaker 3: Has been in a blowhard You're not mincing your words
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Speaker 3: at all tonight, Cameron.
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Speaker 2: It's a bit tough, that's right.
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Speaker 10: Jay's well, I mean, Pory's successful.
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Speaker 9: We put the but he could put the Liberals into
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Speaker 9: losing majority a major party status. I mean, that's the
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Speaker 9: reality if one nation does well.
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Speaker 10: Corey is a known brand.
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Speaker 9: I'm not disagreeing with you with your Cameron, but I
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Speaker 9: mean he left the Senate before I got there.
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Speaker 2: But here's the point, Holly and Cameron.
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Speaker 3: If a has been blow hard, can upstage the Liberals?
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Speaker 2: What adjectives are going to use for the Liberals? Cameron, Oh,
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Speaker 2: totally hopeless.
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Speaker 11: But I mean, but, I mean, Jae's the issue here
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Speaker 11: is this is a former Federal senator Federal Center running
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Speaker 11: for the Upper House in South Australia in the State Parliament.
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Speaker 11: I mean, like he's there to be playing the same
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Speaker 11: league and the only reason why he's there is that
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Speaker 11: Pauline Hanson's there and Barnaby Joyce are there. I mean,
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Speaker 11: let not you know, let's not mince words. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 11: and Barnaby Joyce are have put rocket fuel under one
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Speaker 11: nation's vote. They're the ones that are the lightning rods
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Speaker 11: for discontent in Australia. Certainly not Corey Bernardi.
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Speaker 3: Well, what Corey Bernardi will do, I think is provide
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Speaker 3: a good test because the next major election will be
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Speaker 3: the South Australian one at least for one nation and
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Speaker 3: will find out is this just a protest vote as
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Speaker 3: many on the Coalition have been accusing it of being,
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Speaker 3: or does it translate into seats? So it'll be interesting
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Speaker 3: to watch. Let's talk about the coalition. Susan Lee and
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud have not been able to reconcile their differences,
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Speaker 3: this with a rate high announced today. Jim Chalmers should
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Speaker 3: have been hiding his face during question time. No, No,
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Speaker 3: he was up and about taking free kicks at David
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Speaker 3: Little Proud.
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Speaker 5: Treasurer when we apologize to all mortgage holders in Australia.
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Speaker 7: Well, mister speaker, I think the leader of one of
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Speaker 7: the three far right parties in this country for his question.
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Speaker 3: It's sad to see on a day when many Australians
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Speaker 3: are hurting, the Treasurer is just getting away with murder.
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Speaker 2: Cameron.
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Speaker 3: Last night, Kevin Hogan from the National said a lot
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Speaker 3: of progress was made towards reforming there's zero evidence of
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Speaker 3: that today.
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Speaker 11: Look, I mean, I don't know who they're using. If
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Speaker 11: it's relationships Australia that should ask for a repart I mean,
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Speaker 11: this is not marriag Counts think it's terrible. It's terrible
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Speaker 11: and they put conditions on the top of it. It's yeah,
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Speaker 11: it's point. It doesn't do Australia and democracy any service
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Speaker 11: to do what the coal should doing to themselves right now.
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Speaker 11: I mean Labour should actually be under genuine pressure inflations
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Speaker 11: back out of control, interest rates to going up. This
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Speaker 11: should actually be where the government's brought to account. But
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Speaker 11: no for as you said, free kicks for Jim Chalmers Holly.
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Speaker 3: The Nationals want those rogue senators back on the shadow
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Speaker 3: front bench and the ability to cross the floor in
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Speaker 3: the future as preconditions for rejoining the coalition. Is that
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Speaker 3: a price too high for Susan Lee to ever pay?
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Speaker 9: Well, I mean what I find hilarious in a way
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Speaker 9: that they frame this is that they don't want the Liberal.
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Speaker 10: Party to.
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Speaker 9: Do anything about the sovereignty of the National Party Room.
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Speaker 9: Yet just a few days ago David Little Proud was
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Speaker 9: saying that the Nationals would never rejoin Boss Susan Lee
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Speaker 9: was leader of the party. The hypocrisy is writ large
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Speaker 9: Kevin Hogan, Great Nat, Matt Canavan, great Nat.
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Speaker 10: There's some really good Nats there.
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Speaker 9: David Little Proud ate one of them, Michael McCormick. It's
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Speaker 9: hity no when nominated him to come back as leader.
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Speaker 9: At least we would have had some sensible voices coming
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Speaker 9: out of the Nats rather than a failed leader who
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Speaker 9: has seen more people leave under his leadership the party,
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Speaker 9: whether they've lost their seats or defected.
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Speaker 10: I mean, enough's enough. This guy's got to go.
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Speaker 3: Well, speaking of the Nationals and someone who might go,
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Speaker 3: Lou O'Brien is threatening to quit the Nationals and refuse
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Speaker 3: to be part of a reformed coalition unless there's a
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Speaker 3: clear plan to repeal Labour's hate speech laws, which the
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Speaker 3: Liberals supported. Lou O'Brien said, quote, we've reached a point
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Speaker 3: where the gap between left and right, or moderate and
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Speaker 3: conservative within the coalition is so great I don't know
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Speaker 3: whether it can be bridged anymore. Cameron, let me go
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Speaker 3: to you on this one. His threat to leave completely.
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Speaker 3: This just muddies the waters even more when they're trying
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Speaker 3: to reconcile, doesn't it.
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Speaker 11: It does, And this is like Lou who, I mean,
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Speaker 11: this is a guy for the fact thatship.
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Speaker 10: Oh my god, you're reading my mind, Cameron.
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Speaker 11: I was going to say, I think you and I,
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Speaker 11: Holly seen these guys around. I mean, like, you know,
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Speaker 11: like this one still can't remember that?
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Speaker 10: Now, this is no one exactly right one nd percent.
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Speaker 11: As I say, Lou who you know? So look no,
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Speaker 11: I mean, look, he'll get a small headline for defecting
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Speaker 11: like this, but he hasn't even tell you up to
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Speaker 11: the National Partner Party room, as I understand. So so
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Speaker 11: he's on his way out obviously, Holly.
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Speaker 3: Could the Liberals commit to repealing the hate speech laws
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Speaker 3: after voting for them?
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Speaker 10: Oh, look, I don't think so. They voted for them
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Speaker 10: a week ago.
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Speaker 9: They would that went through a shadow cabinet. The shadow
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Speaker 9: cabinet agreed with it. That is the whole point of
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Speaker 9: what happened. Are the hate speech laws ridiculous? They were
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Speaker 9: ridiculous a year ago, they're ridiculous now they're still They've
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Speaker 9: never been prosecuted.
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Speaker 10: I imagine they never will be. It's just stupid and
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Speaker 10: they're petty.
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Speaker 9: Well Australians. Every day Australians are struggling to pay their bills.
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Speaker 3: One thing Lou who as they're unkindly fooled in Cameron Jo,
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Speaker 3: I'd hate to be on your bad side. But one
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Speaker 3: of the things Lou said was that the gap now
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Speaker 3: between the Conservatives and the Moderates within the coalition it's
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Speaker 3: just too great to bridge. I think a lot of
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Speaker 3: people would probably say they think that.
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Speaker 2: Is the case.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think this is the dilemma for the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 11: But I mean John Howard had a broad Church and
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Speaker 11: John Howard was a prime minister, you know, four elections
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Speaker 11: eleven years. I mean, so he could successfully do it
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Speaker 11: as well. I think it takes leadership from the top.
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Speaker 11: And I think Holly, I probably disagree about Susan's capability
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Speaker 11: to perhaps rebind now, but I think you're right. I
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Speaker 11: mean the blokes have been disgustingly unfair to her, including
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Speaker 11: David Little Proud, who, as you say, should go. I
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Speaker 11: mean he should just fall his sword and go. But no,
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Speaker 11: I think the situation is that is the Liberal Party ultimately,
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Speaker 11: you know, the olymp in Queens Lander and government. You know,
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Speaker 11: they're obviously in power and Tasmania have got to find
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Speaker 11: out where their center is again. They've actually got to
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Speaker 11: find the real ballast and that's a challenge for political
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Speaker 11: party and opposition. Labor had to do it, and Labor
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Speaker 11: got there, but in the ends, the Liberals have got
18:54
Speaker 11: to find their new center.
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Speaker 2: All right.
18:55
Speaker 3: The Victorian election campaign is kicking off and the Liberals
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Speaker 3: new leaders is already out on Instagram trying to set
19:03
Speaker 3: the tone. She's looking like a down to earth Ossie
19:06
Speaker 3: here and mowing the lawn in high vision safety goggles.
19:10
Speaker 3: She's also posted her visit to Midsummer Pride March that's
19:13
Speaker 3: the gay parade with Liberal colleagues. I read the comments
19:17
Speaker 3: on her Instagram posts and I got to tell you
19:19
Speaker 3: they are brutal. She's had numerous comments people saying that's it.
19:24
Speaker 3: We're voting for one nation. And it's not that they
19:26
Speaker 3: don't like gay people. They're just sick of identity politics
19:30
Speaker 3: and they expect better from the state's conservative leader.
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Speaker 2: Holly.
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Speaker 3: Is this really the way to win over conservative voters
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Speaker 3: in Victoria?
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Speaker 9: You know, I resign from the Liberal Party in November
19:39
Speaker 9: and I'm yet to find a day that I regret
19:42
Speaker 9: that decision. And just looking at that social media post,
19:45
Speaker 9: it just shows the ineptitude of the Victorian Liberals and
19:48
Speaker 9: the danger of the Victorian's face. I've just sent to
19:51
Speaker 9: Alan Baying returned.
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Speaker 2: Which social media post were you?
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Speaker 10: Oh?
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Speaker 9: I think both of them were pretty bad. But I
19:56
Speaker 9: was more offended by the mowing of the lawn in
19:59
Speaker 9: high is in Goggles, because she's clearly never mowed lawn before.
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Speaker 3: The other thing, of course, is when you're going to
20:06
Speaker 3: need to cut spending, you probably don't want to do
20:08
Speaker 3: an image of yourself cutting because it's a free kick
20:12
Speaker 3: for just into Allen and of course Cameron. I think
20:14
Speaker 3: people in Victoria are very used to a labor government
20:19
Speaker 3: that is all all about imagery and signaling, and so
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Speaker 3: to see, can I call it a cheap stunt from
20:27
Speaker 3: the Liberal leader. They want someone who's serious, not mowing
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Speaker 3: the lawn. As Holly said in High Vision.
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Speaker 2: Goggles, Well that's right.
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Speaker 11: And Labour's secret weapon in Victoria is the Victoria Liberal Party.
20:38
Speaker 11: I mean that's the problem. I mean, they're the best
20:40
Speaker 11: chances being re elected is the Victorian Liberal Party and
20:44
Speaker 11: is unfortunately showing exactly how weak they really are.
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Speaker 2: Do you give them any chance in Victoria at all?
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Speaker 3: Holly, I noticed the other thing that Justinto Allen's doing
20:54
Speaker 3: is she's demonizing a one nation and accusing Jess Wilson
20:58
Speaker 3: of coosing up to one Nation because she happened to
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Speaker 3: be scheduled to speak in an event that Barnaby Joyce.
21:03
Speaker 2: Was also speaking at.
21:04
Speaker 3: In response, Jess Wilson has now said, oh I can't
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Speaker 3: speak at that event.
21:07
Speaker 2: It was a skilled with it.
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Speaker 9: It was a diary mix up. It was a diary
21:10
Speaker 9: mix up, of course. It was they are running scared.
21:13
Speaker 9: They don't know which way to go. They don't know
21:15
Speaker 9: because they're not convicted. They've got parties that are filled
21:18
Speaker 9: with people now who are more about ambition than conviction.
21:21
Speaker 9: And until they know, until they have people in there
21:24
Speaker 9: that actually believe something and have something they're fighting for.
21:27
Speaker 9: I mean not that just Cinra Allen has any shining
21:30
Speaker 9: beacon of conviction, but they have the benefit of being
21:34
Speaker 9: entrenched in Victoria, and I just can't see them cutting through,
21:39
Speaker 9: certainly not with what Jess Jess is doing.
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Speaker 3: Hollin Kemeron, I've got to say that was a lot
21:44
Speaker 3: of fun with both of you, and I suppose if
21:45
Speaker 3: you don't laugh your cry.
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Speaker 10: Right now, right pretty much, how it is.
21:49
Speaker 3: I appreciate both of you, thanks so much. Well, I've
21:52
Speaker 3: already shown you numerous examples of government hubris in Parliament today,
21:55
Speaker 3: but there's more. His Health Minister Mark Butley, well, I
21:59
Speaker 3: never thought of was particularly funny, but he's having a
22:02
Speaker 3: go at it, taking a chip shot at Angus Taylor.
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Speaker 4: Of course, the leader of the opposition's got a pretty
22:08
Speaker 4: infamous record on medicare from her time as Health minister.
22:11
Speaker 4: The Member for Canning, I'm not sure has ever mentioned
22:14
Speaker 4: the word medicare in this place. And as for the
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Speaker 4: great pretender to the throne, the Member for Hume who inexplicably.
22:21
Speaker 2: Remains on the front bench as a speaker, a.
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Speaker 4: Man with no apparent honor at all, plodding against his
22:26
Speaker 4: leader from the front bench.
22:29
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Liberal Senator Leah blythe Leah welcome
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Speaker 3: to the program. You're in parliament today? Did voters see
22:36
Speaker 3: an opposition taking the fight up to labor or did
22:40
Speaker 3: they just see a circus today?
22:45
Speaker 12: And I was quite busy in the Senate, so that
22:47
Speaker 12: was interesting watching Mark Butler's clip there an attempt at
22:51
Speaker 12: being funny. I think certainly we're focused on taking the
22:56
Speaker 12: fight to labor every day. Obviously there is a disorganization
23:02
Speaker 12: on the opposition benches at the moment, which is an ideal,
23:05
Speaker 12: and I think Australians need us to be doing better.
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Speaker 3: Susan Lee has put a new compromise offer to the Nationals,
23:13
Speaker 3: trying to stitch the coalition back together after the split.
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Speaker 3: The proposal reportedly included benching three National senators from front
23:21
Speaker 3: bench rolls for six months after they broke ranks on
23:23
Speaker 3: the Hate Crimes Bill. But Nationals members are said to
23:26
Speaker 3: be unimpressed, even offended, and angry, especially that the details
23:30
Speaker 3: of the offer leaked before they could meet today to
23:34
Speaker 3: discuss it. Was it unhelpful that someone on your side
23:40
Speaker 3: leaked the terms of the offer to the media. It's
23:42
Speaker 3: probably not the way to do negotiations, right.
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Speaker 12: It's certainly not the way to do negotiations. And you know,
23:50
Speaker 12: it's not like the Liberal Party to leak, is it.
23:54
Speaker 12: So you know, I think for us, if you don't laugh,
23:58
Speaker 12: you're going to cry.
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Speaker 2: Ones are comedian tonight.
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Speaker 8: It's not helpful.
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Speaker 12: And I think those negotiations and I can't speak for
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Speaker 12: either the leader of the Liberal Party or the leader
24:11
Speaker 12: of the Nationals Party, but you know, certainly those negotiations
24:15
Speaker 12: were entered into in good faith by both parties. So
24:19
Speaker 12: I think as a coalitionist, I really want to see
24:23
Speaker 12: the coalition get back together because I'm actually sick of
24:26
Speaker 12: us talking about ourselves incessantly. I want to see us
24:30
Speaker 12: getting back to holding this terrible labor government to account.
24:34
Speaker 12: We've seen interest rates go up today. You know, We've
24:37
Speaker 12: got some of the highest interest rates in the developed world,
24:41
Speaker 12: and every day Australian families are now going to have
24:43
Speaker 12: to find another one hundred dollars a month to pay
24:46
Speaker 12: their average mortgage and that's going to be tough for
24:48
Speaker 12: a lot of families out there.
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Speaker 3: Are you surprised that David Little Proud rejected Susan Lee's offer.
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Speaker 12: I am, and I'm guessing that that's coming through the media.
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Speaker 12: That's certainly not something that I've received through sort of channels,
25:05
Speaker 12: official channels of the Liberal Party. I'm hoping that negotiations
25:10
Speaker 12: can still be made. I think it's unhelpful for me
25:13
Speaker 12: to make comments, but I think his position is difficult
25:18
Speaker 12: given comments that he has made quite publicly about his
25:22
Speaker 12: views on the coalition and what he wants to see
25:26
Speaker 12: that come back together.
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Speaker 3: David Little Proud said he since walked it back, but
25:31
Speaker 3: he said he doesn't believe there could be a coalition
25:34
Speaker 3: while Susan Lee is still the leader. You're a Liberal,
25:38
Speaker 3: do you think there can be a coalition while David
25:40
Speaker 3: little Proud is still the leader?
25:42
Speaker 2: Given many of the things that he has said.
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Speaker 12: I was pretty disappointed by some of the comments that
25:50
Speaker 12: he made. I'm certainly not going to make comments as
25:54
Speaker 12: a former coalition partner and liberal. It's not for any
25:59
Speaker 12: Liberal to dictate the leader of the National Party, just
26:03
Speaker 12: as it's not for any National to dictate who the
26:06
Speaker 12: leader of the Liberal Party is. So I think that's
26:08
Speaker 12: a matter for the Nationals to work out amongst themselves.
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Speaker 3: Just before I let you go, it's been reported that
26:14
Speaker 3: Longman MP Terry Young was very well received when he
26:18
Speaker 3: told the Liberal Party room this morning that a longer
26:21
Speaker 3: break from the coalition would be a good thing.
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Speaker 12: There are certainly differing views from members of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 12: I am a coalitionist. I think we are strongest together
26:35
Speaker 12: and I think the more the longer that this goes
26:38
Speaker 12: on and the longer that we are talking about ourselves,
26:41
Speaker 12: the less impressed that Australians are with us. We need
26:44
Speaker 12: to get our act together, we need to do better,
26:46
Speaker 12: and we need to get back to the job that
26:49
Speaker 12: Australians have elected us for, and that's holding this government
26:51
Speaker 12: to account.
26:53
Speaker 3: Let me ask you just one more question. Do you
26:56
Speaker 3: think that the Liberals would be better served just forget
26:59
Speaker 3: try to reconcile with the Nationals? Clearly they're not interested
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Speaker 3: right now, get on with holding the government to account,
27:06
Speaker 3: get on with life without them, and if we reconcile
27:09
Speaker 3: later on down the road, so be it. Otherwise, let's
27:12
Speaker 3: just get on with the job and stop playing this game.
27:15
Speaker 3: Do you think that would be a better course of
27:17
Speaker 3: action from this point now?
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Speaker 12: I absolutely do. Our focus has to be on holding
27:24
Speaker 12: the government to account, and the longer that we have distractions,
27:28
Speaker 12: we're not doing that job. So for me, it is
27:31
Speaker 12: we've got a job to do here. That's what I'm
27:33
Speaker 12: focused on, and it's certainly a far more pragmatic approach
27:36
Speaker 12: for us to be taking.
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Speaker 2: I think lea blithe delight.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on the program after a very interesting day,
27:42
Speaker 3: it must be said. I appreciate your time. All right, Well,
27:46
Speaker 3: we're going to go to a break when we come back.
27:48
Speaker 3: Under the Albanezy government, interest rates have risen a dozen
27:52
Speaker 3: times and another one today. Is government spending part of
27:56
Speaker 3: the problem? Treasurer Jim Chalmers says that criticism is Kel
28:00
Speaker 3: will investigate that claim after this. The Reserve Bank of
28:07
Speaker 3: Australia has just reversed course, lifting rates by twenty five
28:11
Speaker 3: basis points to take the cash rate to three point
28:14
Speaker 3: eighty five percent, the first hike rate since twenty twenty
28:17
Speaker 3: three and the thirteenth since Anthony Albanezi came to power.
28:22
Speaker 3: The rate rise comes after inflation surprised on the upside,
28:26
Speaker 3: with the RBA now warning it's likely to stay above
28:29
Speaker 3: targets for some time.
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Speaker 13: Our forecasts do see inflation above the target for the
28:36
Speaker 13: next year, basically coming back in early next year into
28:41
Speaker 13: the band. I'm not making any predictions for what it
28:45
Speaker 13: might involve going forward, but for the moment, we are
28:48
Speaker 13: concerned that we don't want this higher level of inflation.
28:52
Speaker 3: Entrenched markets are already pricing in the chance of more hikes,
28:57
Speaker 3: and householders well, they're bracing for higher repayments. Joining me
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Speaker 3: now is Eminence Advisory is Dmitri Berstein Dmitri, what do
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Speaker 3: we read into the RBA reversing course like this and
29:08
Speaker 3: now lifting rates.
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Speaker 14: It's an admission of an error in August last year
29:12
Speaker 14: when they probably shouldn't have cut rates, the inflation rate
29:16
Speaker 14: hadn't stabilized within the band, and it was probably a mistake,
29:21
Speaker 14: and it gave license to the Commonwealth and state governments
29:25
Speaker 14: to keep their foot on the spending pedal.
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Speaker 3: Do you believe this is the start of a new
29:30
Speaker 3: cycle of rate hikes? Should mortgage holders brace for further increases?
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Speaker 1: Sadly?
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Speaker 14: And for sure if you look at the RBA statement,
29:39
Speaker 14: their forecast is predicting. You know, their forecasts say interest
29:44
Speaker 14: rates will be four point three percent next year. You know,
29:47
Speaker 14: take that for what you will. But inflation is expected
29:50
Speaker 14: to be above band for quite a while. And if
29:53
Speaker 14: the governments of the Comwealth government and the state and
29:56
Speaker 14: territory governments keep spending, it's only going to keep getting worse.
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Speaker 3: Well, the RBA said inflation would be above target or
30:03
Speaker 3: as you said, above band for some time. That's a
30:06
Speaker 3: direct quote from them. So really they are hinting to
30:10
Speaker 3: the public brace for more pain, aren't they.
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Speaker 14: Yes, they are sadly, sadly, so it's all you know,
30:17
Speaker 14: if the if the Treasurer is would pay attention. It's
30:20
Speaker 14: also a hint to them to not just address their spending,
30:23
Speaker 14: but to reform the economies. You know, cut your spending,
30:28
Speaker 14: cut your regulation, you know, get get out of the
30:31
Speaker 14: way of.
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Speaker 2: The private sector.
30:32
Speaker 14: I mean, when the Treasurer says, you know, inflation's driven
30:35
Speaker 14: by the you know, you know, a boost in the
30:37
Speaker 14: private private demand, he's basically saying that the private sector
30:42
Speaker 14: is not getting out of the way of the government
30:43
Speaker 14: fast enough.
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Speaker 3: Well, of course, the other thing that Jim Chalmers has
30:46
Speaker 3: been saying is that pushback on his policies is it's
30:51
Speaker 3: all political.
30:52
Speaker 2: It's motivated by politics, not facts.
30:54
Speaker 3: That's despite the fact spending is sitting at around twenty
30:57
Speaker 3: eight percent of GDP, levels we've not since seen since
31:02
Speaker 3: World War Two. Is Charmer's right, the criticism of him
31:06
Speaker 3: is all political.
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Speaker 14: Well, I'm just waiting for the treasure to say that
31:09
Speaker 14: inflation is a social construct. You know, when they entered,
31:14
Speaker 14: you know, when the Albanese government was elected, government spent
31:17
Speaker 14: the Commwauth government spending was twenty four percent of GDP.
31:19
Speaker 14: It's now twenty seven percent GDP. That's an extra one
31:22
Speaker 14: hundred billion dollars a year in real dollars of spending.
31:25
Speaker 14: You know, he keeps saying that, you know, they're banking
31:29
Speaker 14: savings and they've paid down debt, yet debt sets at
31:33
Speaker 14: just an inch under a trillion dollars. You know, I
31:36
Speaker 14: don't understand how he can square that circle.
31:38
Speaker 3: Just staying on a government spending at twenty eight percent
31:41
Speaker 3: of GDP, What do you make of that?
31:44
Speaker 2: Historic levels of spending?
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Speaker 14: Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, you're talking about a different
31:49
Speaker 14: form and shape of government. We're talking about when there
31:53
Speaker 14: was a lot of government services that were considered you know,
31:56
Speaker 14: that have since been privatized or commercialized that used to
31:59
Speaker 14: be counted in in government spending. So it's amazing the
32:03
Speaker 14: transformation of the Australian go komwof budget into one big,
32:09
Speaker 14: giant redistribution machine.
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Speaker 3: And yet the Treasurer today was blaming private spending for
32:15
Speaker 3: causing inflation to rise and get out of control.
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Speaker 14: Absolutely, and he's just basically saying the private sector is
32:21
Speaker 14: not getting out of the way of government fast enough.
32:23
Speaker 14: You know, they're demanding you know, they want the labor
32:26
Speaker 14: that the government is taking from them, Dimitri.
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Speaker 3: Always good to talk with you, Thanks for giving us
32:32
Speaker 3: your insights.
32:33
Speaker 2: This evening still to come.
32:35
Speaker 3: Labour's ten billion dollar housing funders under fresh scrutiny tonight,
32:39
Speaker 3: accusations of secrecy, redacted reports, and the question hanging awkwardly
32:44
Speaker 3: in the air, ten billion dollars where are the homes?
32:47
Speaker 3: Nick Cater and Freer Leitch joined me after this welcome
32:55
Speaker 3: back to the program. Will Labour's being accused of running
32:57
Speaker 3: its flagship ten billion dollar Houses Australia Future Fund behind
33:02
Speaker 3: a wall of secrecy? A Senate committee demanded a report
33:06
Speaker 3: into governance issues, specifically to find out why so few
33:10
Speaker 3: homes had actually reached the potential of receiving public funding,
33:14
Speaker 3: nearly two years after the government announced the fund. Well
33:18
Speaker 3: the report was produced, but it was hardly helpful. Dozens
33:21
Speaker 3: of pages were entirely redacted, along with footnotes and even
33:25
Speaker 3: chapter headings. Joining now is Mensi's Research Center senior fellow
33:29
Speaker 3: Nick Cata and Sky News host freyer Leitch. Welcome to
33:33
Speaker 3: you both, Nick, What do we read into Labour refusing
33:37
Speaker 3: to release the unredacted report.
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Speaker 1: They're trying to spare some of these blushes, aren't they?
33:42
Speaker 1: This theme has been so disastrous, so much money assigned
33:46
Speaker 1: and so few houses built. And this is this government
33:50
Speaker 1: all over. Of course, it is not an open government.
33:53
Speaker 1: It will not talk openly about even the things that
33:58
Speaker 1: apparently going well. Think this is a real problem for
34:02
Speaker 1: this government. It makes announcements it's going to do this,
34:05
Speaker 1: it never follows through with thorough policy research work. That's
34:10
Speaker 1: fallen right out of fashion. So you have these bad schemes.
34:13
Speaker 1: But the best thing is, of course, get everything on
34:15
Speaker 1: the table, and then we can learn from it surely
34:17
Speaker 1: and not do it next time, although I fear this
34:20
Speaker 1: government will continue doing these things over and over again.
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Speaker 3: Well, the Senate wanted everything on the table, and they
34:26
Speaker 3: got scraps. Freyer a ten billion dollar fund that's resulted
34:29
Speaker 3: in less than three and a half thousand homes. Even
34:33
Speaker 3: qualifying for funding after two years makes you wonder if
34:37
Speaker 3: the government's committed to.
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Speaker 2: Building houses or just building a bureaucracy.
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Speaker 8: You've got to ask what on earth is going on
34:44
Speaker 8: this fund. We're supposed to produce forty thousand houses, and
34:48
Speaker 8: as you said, only three thousand, three hundred are even
34:51
Speaker 8: at the stage where they might get government funding. That
34:54
Speaker 8: is an abysmal failure. At this rate, it's going to
34:57
Speaker 8: take them decades to get to that forty thousand home target.
35:02
Speaker 8: But this is frankly just an example of government doing
35:05
Speaker 8: something that it shouldn't. It shouldn't be spending ten billion
35:10
Speaker 8: dollars handing money to developers to build houses that they
35:13
Speaker 8: were probably going to build anyway. If the economy wasn't
35:17
Speaker 8: so sluggish, if inflation wasn't so high, they would be
35:21
Speaker 8: building these houses without being subsidized by the taxpayer. You
35:25
Speaker 8: could save a lot of money on a massive bureaucracy.
35:28
Speaker 8: It's just an example of government getting involved where it shouldn't.
35:32
Speaker 3: Really really good point, all right, let's go to a
35:35
Speaker 3: news story that broke late this afternoon. A twenty three
35:38
Speaker 3: year old man has been charged after allegedly giving a
35:42
Speaker 3: Nazi salute at Melbourne Airport, allegedly directing it at a.
35:46
Speaker 2: Group of Jewish school children in the terminal.
35:49
Speaker 3: Now, Federal police say he was an airport employee and
35:52
Speaker 3: allegedly fled before officers later tracked him down using CCTV
35:58
Speaker 3: and witness statements.
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Speaker 2: He'll face court in March. FREI let me come back
36:02
Speaker 2: to you.
36:02
Speaker 3: Just leaving the allegations to one side because obviously now
36:05
Speaker 3: it's going to.
36:06
Speaker 2: Be before the courts.
36:08
Speaker 3: Our Jewish community are going through a tough time.
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Speaker 2: It just is unrelenting, isn't it.
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Speaker 8: It's just shocking to think that after BONDI where barely
36:17
Speaker 8: a month on and you've got someone who thinks it's
36:19
Speaker 8: an appropriate thing to a children, school children allegedly Allegedly
36:25
Speaker 8: these are not you know, Israeli politicians or school children
36:29
Speaker 8: allegedly doing a Nazi salute to them. I mean, that
36:32
Speaker 8: is just so tragic. But unfortunately, this is the kind
36:36
Speaker 8: of thing the Jewish community has come to expect, and
36:39
Speaker 8: this is what they've become accustomed to because of the
36:44
Speaker 8: levels of hatred we've seen.
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Speaker 3: As I said, these are allegations, they'll be tested in
36:49
Speaker 3: a court of law and that will happen in March. Meanwhile,
36:53
Speaker 3: New South Wales school principles are now facing immediate dismissal
36:57
Speaker 3: for hate speech and the new Men's govern rules with
37:00
Speaker 3: anti Semitic comments explicitly banned across public and private schools.
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Speaker 3: Now this is going to make it easier to sack
37:08
Speaker 3: staff for hate speech, with the National Education Stands Authority
37:12
Speaker 3: able to sack teachers for hate speech without having to
37:16
Speaker 3: wait for police or a court. Nick, do you like
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Speaker 3: this move or do you think it lacks process?
37:24
Speaker 1: It definitely lacks process. I'm nervous about anything that bypasses
37:30
Speaker 1: the court system because it just then becomes summary justice. Yeah.
37:35
Speaker 1: I mean, I agree that we don't want children. We
37:37
Speaker 1: don't want children subjective to that kind of behavior from
37:40
Speaker 1: their teachers. And it's importing to think any teacher might do.
37:44
Speaker 1: But I think we've got to look very carefully at
37:46
Speaker 1: the remedies and how they'll be put into place, and
37:50
Speaker 1: whether this might be used against other people and other things.
37:54
Speaker 1: I'm just nervous about these kind of laws full stop.
37:58
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about that frame, because that's
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Speaker 3: always one of the concerns once you start introducing these
38:04
Speaker 3: well intentioned rules that then, as Nick said, do they
38:09
Speaker 3: later on get weaponized and used for purposes that no
38:13
Speaker 3: one ever foresaw.
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Speaker 8: And I mean even at a federal level. With the
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Speaker 8: hate speech laws, for example, there were groups that wanted
38:19
Speaker 8: to expand hate speech out from just looking at the
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Speaker 8: Jewish community to include things like sexuality and gender identity.
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Speaker 8: This is my concern. Once you start saying you can
38:30
Speaker 8: sack people because what they say in the class it
38:32
Speaker 8: starts off rightly. So sacked teachers if they are being
38:36
Speaker 8: anti Semitic and spreading that ideology, for sure, But that's
38:39
Speaker 8: got to be where it stays. You can't have this
38:43
Speaker 8: creeping censorship like we see in the UK, where teachers
38:46
Speaker 8: can get sacked for simply standing up for national pride
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Speaker 8: and patriotism. That's the risk here. But in principle one
38:54
Speaker 8: hundred percent, this is a good move, and of course
38:57
Speaker 8: I'm sure there'll be an appeals process, so you feel
39:00
Speaker 8: like you've been treated unfairly, you can appeal it. But
39:03
Speaker 8: we should not have rabbit antisemites in the school system
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Speaker 8: with free reign to indoctrinate children.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in the system already to punish this
39:15
Speaker 1: kind of behavior. I mean, I would have thought so
39:17
Speaker 1: there should have to be, wouldn't they.
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Speaker 3: Well, clearly the Men's government believe more needs to be done,
39:21
Speaker 3: but not everyone is happy about it. Teachers linked to
39:24
Speaker 3: a pro Palestine activist group are now vowing to keep
39:27
Speaker 3: using the slogan globalize into Fada. I'm not sure why
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Speaker 3: you need to use that slogan in school, but anyway,
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Speaker 3: they're going to keep using it, even as a parliamentary
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Speaker 3: committee recommends it be outlawed as hate speech. Frey, How
39:40
Speaker 3: do we get to a point where activist teachers are
39:44
Speaker 3: openly saying, we will defy the premiere and we will
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Speaker 3: do as we please.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think this has been their goal the whole time. Right,
39:52
Speaker 8: If you want to indoctrinate the next generation, if you
39:55
Speaker 8: want to change a society, get to their children, get
39:59
Speaker 8: to the young people. And that's exactly what they've done.
40:02
Speaker 8: But if I were a parent sending my child to school,
40:05
Speaker 8: I would be deeply concerned because one of the problems
40:08
Speaker 8: is as a parent, you don't know if your child
40:12
Speaker 8: is being taught by one of these activist teachers. So
40:15
Speaker 8: I think another thing the government should be looking at
40:18
Speaker 8: is giving parents a right to know, a right to
40:21
Speaker 8: know if their child's teacher is part of a political
40:25
Speaker 8: activist group that is seeking to influence the school system,
40:30
Speaker 8: like teachers for Palestine.
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Speaker 3: You make a great point, freyer, should teachers be activists
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Speaker 3: at all? Nick, I mean activism and teaching young children.
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Speaker 3: They seem incompatible to me.
40:42
Speaker 1: They can be activists in their spare time. I've no
40:44
Speaker 1: problem with that, you know, I mean, they might go
40:46
Speaker 1: home and be activists, but they should keep it very
40:49
Speaker 1: separate from their political sorry, their professional duty, which is
40:53
Speaker 1: the education of children. And let's not forget the fact
40:58
Speaker 1: that our school standards, our standards of English, maths, basic
41:02
Speaker 1: things have gone backwards. Well, if the teachers are spending
41:06
Speaker 1: all the day trying to politicize the kids about the Davada,
41:10
Speaker 1: maybe they should be actually going back and looking at
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Speaker 1: maths and arithmetical think yeah, yeah, I do, I do.
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Speaker 2: All right, teachers.
41:18
Speaker 3: While we're talking about schools are on a lighter note,
41:22
Speaker 3: Teachers are saying they're seeing more and more creative names
41:26
Speaker 3: turn up on school roles.
41:28
Speaker 2: There was a survey of students in rolled across New
41:30
Speaker 2: South Wales.
41:30
Speaker 3: At the beginning of this school term and it reveals
41:33
Speaker 3: one boy called Seamen, a child called Rage, and another
41:38
Speaker 3: kid called Wombat. Psychologists are warning that names like that
41:44
Speaker 3: and names that are hard to spell or pronounce or explain,
41:47
Speaker 3: can haunt kids for life. And while states can reject
41:51
Speaker 3: them scene or official titles, plenty of odd names such
41:55
Speaker 3: as the ones I've just mentioned.
41:56
Speaker 2: Still make it through.
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Speaker 3: Nick, what do you read into parents pushing these sorts
42:01
Speaker 3: of names is that ego or is it fashion?
42:05
Speaker 2: Or is this just what do you make?
42:08
Speaker 1: I think that Johnny Cash song a boy named Sue.
42:10
Speaker 1: You know where you get the kids, the kid gets
42:13
Speaker 1: called Sue and it toughens him up in the classroom.
42:15
Speaker 1: That's his father's ideas, and maybe that's what.
42:17
Speaker 2: They're Johnny Cash was ahead of his time, Yeah.
42:19
Speaker 1: Indeed, But I was always maybe I'm a bit boring,
42:23
Speaker 1: but I always felt my kids should have the kind
42:25
Speaker 1: of name that wasn't going to make them stand out
42:27
Speaker 1: in any way, and people could spell. I mean when
42:31
Speaker 1: people go in and call their kids, say Susan with
42:33
Speaker 1: two s's, can you think of any of those? Well,
42:36
Speaker 1: you know it's a bit more, isn't it. You're destined
42:39
Speaker 1: to have your name misspelled the whole of your life.
42:41
Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about spelling, Freyer. There's there's one child
42:44
Speaker 3: enrolled in his South Wales right now whose name is Daniel,
42:48
Speaker 3: but it's spelt Denial.
42:51
Speaker 2: And it's another kid.
42:52
Speaker 3: I hope we can put the spelling up on the
42:53
Speaker 3: screen so yours can see. His name is Maximilian. But
42:58
Speaker 3: look how mum and dad have spelled. How much your
43:01
Speaker 3: headache would that be? Not just for teachers, but for
43:04
Speaker 3: this kid for the rest of his life.
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Speaker 8: Well, imagine just the poor kid in kindergarten. Basically, your
43:10
Speaker 8: one outcome that you have to achieve at the end
43:12
Speaker 8: of KINDI is being able to spell.
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Speaker 2: Your own name.
43:14
Speaker 8: And if your Maximilian spelled like that, you're going to
43:18
Speaker 8: be repeating kindergarten for the rest of your life. I
43:21
Speaker 8: feel terrible for these children. I think parents, if you're
43:24
Speaker 8: naming your kids any of these, you're signing your child
43:27
Speaker 8: up to be bullieding, to have social issues. I just
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Speaker 8: don't understand why you would do it.
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Speaker 2: James Freyer and Nick sensible names that you can't go
43:38
Speaker 2: wrong with. All right, we're going to go to a
43:39
Speaker 2: break still to come.
43:41
Speaker 3: The latest Epstein filed up throws the Royals back into
43:44
Speaker 3: the spotlight, including an email link to Sarah Ferguson and
43:48
Speaker 3: explosive claims about a baby taken at birth.
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Speaker 2: Royal edithar Russell Myers joins me after this.
43:58
Speaker 3: The latest batch of Epstein files apart more pressure on
44:01
Speaker 3: former Royal Sarah Ferguson and her closeness to the convicted
44:04
Speaker 3: sex offender, they've also seen the former British ambassador to Washington.
44:08
Speaker 3: Lord Mandelson, now facing a possible police inquiry over his
44:12
Speaker 3: links to Epstein during his time as a government minister.
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Speaker 3: Joining us to unpack this unholy mess is Daily Mirror
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Speaker 3: Royal editor Russell Myers. Russell, let's start with Sarah Ferguson
44:23
Speaker 3: and some astonishing claims over comments it suggested she made
44:27
Speaker 3: to Epstein about her own daughter using very crude language.
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Speaker 15: What's that all about, Well, in d James, I mean,
44:36
Speaker 15: over the last few days we've been going through this
44:39
Speaker 15: chance of emails and documents, over three million of them
44:42
Speaker 15: released by the US Department of Justice.
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Speaker 16: Then goes from bad to worse for Sarah Ferguson, because
44:47
Speaker 16: I didn't think until now we really understood the sort
44:50
Speaker 16: of depth of her relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, but of
44:54
Speaker 16: course that she did have a relationship with something that
44:57
Speaker 16: she had admitted in the past. But these emai between
45:01
Speaker 16: Sarah Ferguson and Epstein tell you a lot about how
45:04
Speaker 16: much contact there actually was. She was referring to her
45:07
Speaker 16: daughter's sex life in one email to Epstein. She also
45:11
Speaker 16: mentions several business propositions. She also talks about her love
45:16
Speaker 16: for him, saying I'm at your service, please marry me.
45:20
Speaker 16: But it gets even stranger where she refers to Epstein
45:24
Speaker 16: having a baby boy, congratulating him, and this is a
45:27
Speaker 16: couple of years after he had been convicted of soliciting
45:31
Speaker 16: prostitution from a minor in twenty eleven, she had sent
45:34
Speaker 16: him emails congratulating him on the birth of a baby boy,
45:37
Speaker 16: which is incredible really because there's no such proof that
45:41
Speaker 16: Epstein had ever fathered a child, although there are new
45:43
Speaker 16: allegations from another victim this week that she had a
45:47
Speaker 16: baby taken off of her just ten hours after the birth.
45:51
Speaker 16: So I think there's an awful lot to unpick in
45:52
Speaker 16: this latest rafter emails.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's an understatement for sure. Sarah Ferguson has previously
45:58
Speaker 3: said her relationshipips with Epstein was and I'm quoting a
46:01
Speaker 3: gigantic eraror of judgment to another understatement. Can she ever
46:06
Speaker 3: recover from this?
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Speaker 16: Well, she may have said that at the time, but
46:10
Speaker 16: she obviously went back on her word, and I think
46:13
Speaker 16: it's been proved in abundance now how Sarah Ferguson and
46:16
Speaker 16: Andrew mount Batton Windsor have lied at every juncture because
46:19
Speaker 16: she was certainly in contact with him afterwards, team, we
46:22
Speaker 16: understand was furious about that statement that she'd given. He'd
46:26
Speaker 16: appealed to her and her team to retract the statement
46:30
Speaker 16: that she made, and she was still emailing him, sort
46:33
Speaker 16: of sending begging letters about business ventures and what have you.
46:36
Speaker 16: But if Sarah Ferguson has always been a great survivor,
46:39
Speaker 16: she's been in trouble before, she's been nearly bankrupt, she's
46:44
Speaker 16: had huge money worries, and certainly the.
46:47
Speaker 2: Public have always taken to her.
46:48
Speaker 16: But I think that this is far too a step fast,
46:52
Speaker 16: too far, because she will not recover from this. I
46:54
Speaker 16: think the level of revulsion over her relationship with Jeoffrey
46:58
Speaker 16: Epstein is only coming to the four now. And certainly
47:01
Speaker 16: we'd thought that it was just Andrew Mauntbatten Windsor who
47:04
Speaker 16: had these tentacles into the murky depths of Epstein world,
47:08
Speaker 16: But certainly Sarah was just as bad in that sense.
47:12
Speaker 3: Just very quickly, the claims that Epstein fathered a child
47:15
Speaker 3: to a teenager and then had the child taken away
47:17
Speaker 3: at birth, is there any way that can be verified?
47:20
Speaker 3: It's a shocking claim, But how seriously should we take it?
47:24
Speaker 4: Well?
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Speaker 16: I think we've got to take you on face value
47:26
Speaker 16: at the moment, because there is lawyers representing the woman,
47:29
Speaker 16: and there's certainly the FBI.
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Speaker 2: For tomorrow night, Sherry Marxon will be back behind the desk.
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Speaker 3: Make sure you tune in's Paul Murray