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The Black Heart - Newfoundland's Forbidden Books · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_01]: For generations, stories circulated throughout Newfoundland and a particular kind of book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A book that very few people claimed to have seen, and even fewer were willing to discuss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to folklore, these books contain knowledge that ordinary people were never meant to possess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Knowledge that could grant someone extra ordinary abilities, but there was something strange about the people rumored to own them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some were feared, others were ordinary members of their communities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People you might pass on the street, work alongside, or sit across from at a car table.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, behind closed doors, they were believed to possess something that could change the course of a person's life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There were warnings about opening these books.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Warnings about what might happen if the wrong person read from their pages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and story suggesting that once someone acquired one, getting rid of it might be impossible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But perhaps the most disturbing question wasn't what these books could supposedly do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was what someone might have to give up to possess one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Across Newfoundland, these mysterious objects became known by several names.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But one name in particular, as survived in the folklore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Black Heart Book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And tonight, we're going to explore the accounts of those who were said to possess them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the strange things that people claimed happened when their pages were opened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's gonna tell us about these magical black books I am you got going on I am I took some advice from a night shift reviewer and decide to look for some stories to the north or Canadian see we listen you talk we listen and I found this interesting story in a subject that we don't cover enough
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of about witchcraft and spellcasting and all that cool stuff, which is always super interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But throughout Newfoundland's history, stories of witchcraft, curses, supernatural encounters, and dealings with the devil have circulated through its communities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these accounts involve individuals who are believed to possess supernatural abilities naturally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Others describe people who supposedly acquired these abilities through rituals, bargains or forbidden knowledge, depending on the knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, but we're here for here for all the forbidden stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I need all the forbidden knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So depending on the community and the person's on the story, you might hear about a book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the name seems to vary a bit from person to person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It could be called to the black art book, the black book, or the black heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For this episode, we are going to refer to it as the black heart book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the coolest name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the coolest name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some even consider all these books to be a different book as well, but the idea is the same behind each and every one of them, possessing one of these books can give you extra ordinary abilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These stories describe people performing impossible feats, things like pondering supernatural beings, influencing the weather, acquiring money, casting spells, and even causing illnesses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Folklore's Barbara Ready began to look into these claims, attempting to find out of these claims were real and if they were more than one book that could contain magic, or was it that ordinary books of magic and conjuring acquired a more sinister reputation throughout Newfoundland?
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the black heart in Newfoundland, the magic of the book, Barbara looked at 20 accounts preserved in memorial university folklore and language archive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She also conducted field research in Newfoundland witchcraft during August 1990.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something she found that was interesting was that when she would question people about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whenever she would bring up the black heart, people shut down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were extremely reluctant to speak on the subject.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people have heard about the book or books, however, very few claimed to have actually seen one, but in some accounts even looking inside the black heart to be very dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a lot of people's eyes, the book wasn't just a book of spells and instructions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was thought it could change a person who possessed it or even someone who's simply encountered it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something interesting in the research was that many of the suspected witches in these villages were, in fact, women.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think overall, when you think about a witch, you automatically think woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, in a lot of these accounts with the black heart,
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[SPEAKER_01]: most people who had used a book or men.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even more so, it was often believed that a village which had supernatural abilities and these abilities were a natural thing for the witches.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Her powers were considered part of who she actually was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, when it came to the black heart, it was considered the person in question had only acquired powers from the book itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So as one would imagine, it was widely thought that when you gained powers from this book, you were in fact making a deal with the devil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that could just be speculation and fear from the town's book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because in some of these cases, the people that were in possession of this book weren't malicious at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would actually use the book to perform tricks or simply improve their own circumstances of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In her research, she found one story of a male using the book to harm others with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it did seem, sorry, she found a story about a female that used the book to harm others.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it did seem that the female, which is that possessed, said books, or no, I messed that up again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a male who used it to harm people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: found that the women who possessed the book were far more likely to use it to harm other individuals than the men would.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's of course based on the information she collected and I'm willing to bet she was unable to get every single story and every single encounter surrounding the black heart book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in Newfoundland for generations, logging was a very important occupation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: been often spent extended periods of time working together and isolated camps far from home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those camps often develop their own traditions of storytelling and entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Things like card games, jokes, performances, even demonstrations of supposed supernatural abilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Barbara does point out how in these camps men would begin to understand and learn how to do things like card tricks, slide of hand, even a little bit of ventriloquism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to some of these abilities, some people, it just completely kind of blew their minds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they would almost automatically consider them supernatural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: which may be a potential cause of some of the lore around the black heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People putting titles to a say card trick, but they just don't fully understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it could account for the more male book owners, because obviously in these logging camps, it was basically all men.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So therefore, they were the ones telling and logging in the stories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when it comes to these magical books, these types of books have been around for centuries, not all of them were collections of supernatural rituals, some taught readers how to perform illusions, manipulate objects, entertain audiences, or even create effects that appeared impossible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One important example is
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[SPEAKER_01]: Regillan Scots, the discovery of witchcraft that was published in 1584, he describes methods behind various magical tricks as part of his effort to challenge beliefs about witchcraft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Over centuries, you have all different types of books that give instructions for
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[SPEAKER_01]: which is mind blowing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy, isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you have to consider it's like the 1500s, but still, like, slide of hand, you're a witch, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But as I run, I run it somewhere in here, but even to this day, there are certain people that you can talk to that would swear up and down,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Angel sold his sold of the devil.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because he's the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's doing black magic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As the mind freak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how cool, circle is swirving away from prison over a minute.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How cool would it be to get your hands on a first edition copy of one of these books?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be epic, although the supposed
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[SPEAKER_02]: probably worth it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it depends on how you look at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these stories I have for you guys are pretty fucking interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one in theicular that is my favorite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do is the lore behind it that these books corrupt the users?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because a lot of it they were talking about how like it's kind of I got people use it for negative negativity and stuff But the other one's like, yeah, you can use it to gain wealth or you can use it to do tricks bro There were there were accounts that I didn't put in here because I was already at like 4,000 words and they were short so like I believe it or not There were some people that supposedly acquired this book
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[SPEAKER_01]: and basically used it to get bare money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You mad, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is, that is such a human response.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just something supernatural.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You have this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: infinite power like like having the infinity gauntlet and you use it to buy beer open up beer bottle you know yep and that's a great description to and we'll kind of get into that a little later because there are some nuances to it that I really wanted to discuss and it's because it is it is extremely interesting to me but it does make sense when you when you view it through the lens that I put on later on I think a lot of people would
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when it comes to these books of entertainment and books of supernatural knowledge, back then the lines were obviously extremely blurred.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in Barbara's findings, these types completely, are these different types of books actually became intertwined.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost muddying the water when it comes to supernatural magic because you have people that would believe,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Juggling is black magic from this black magic book that actually can conjure, you know, demons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would lump them into the same category, which would essentially muddy the water for actual supernatural magic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are kind of different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are kind of different things slightly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't juggle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it was it took me a minute to learn.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No demons help me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do appreciate her looking to these different angles when it comes to these types of books because I do feel like That is it is almost always overlooked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I know I got this is where I put it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people in current times still consider show magic real magic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, it gives people like us different ways of thinking about the paranormal and its information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do feel like it's highly important to step back and look at things when you have sound in mind because it's completely understandable to get carried away inside these fantastic moments.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with all that in mind, let's see what these black heart books or book add and store
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[SPEAKER_01]: On one account from Barbara was an account of an older man they dubbed old Kelly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kelly possessed a black book that he ordinarily kept hidden away inside a chest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every time he left the house, he would make sure that the chest was locked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kelly did not want anyone else having the book, but like a normal person, complacency gets the best of all of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: a young woman who worked for him knew that he had the bad a black book and he always kept it very secretive so naturally it makes her curious as to what's inside the black book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she essentially she probably checked the the chest almost daily when he wasn't around to see if it was unlocked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sure enough one day the chest is unlocked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So with Kelly gone, she opens the chest, removes the book, and begins reading.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And according to the story, the consequences were fucking immediate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rookie mistake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Rookie mistake.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the house began to fill with little black imps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So goes, it goes from zero to 10 immediately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so whatever page she decided to open and read from just started summoning amps that was not the route I thought I was going to go and this isn't the only story that I have for you involving black amps being summoned from the book just to go to yeah just to go to the other one though is
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[SPEAKER_01]: fucking mint.
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[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the woman is suddenly surrounded by these little creatures and she quickly realizes, oh shit, I have no way of controlling these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now apparently,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Old man Kelly was actually able to sense that something was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he hurries up and gets back home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the time he finally got there, it was reported that the imps were very close to killing the woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it doesn't elaborate on what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just says that they were very close to killing her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When I, for some reason, when I get a mental picture of amps in my head, I just feel like they're mischievous and ran bunchus.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't really put it together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They were bloodthirsty murders.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, if you got like 60 of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I see a link on the bottom off?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can see how good I can hand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I picture him as like little devils run around probably sharp teeth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I guess I just picture him run around like doing mischievous things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like as opposed to just like trying to kill her.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were trying to take her out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a rude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is rude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is rude, but old man Kelly saves the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he comes home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes the book from her starts reading from it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this this causes the amps to disappear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: easy peasy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Kelly, it wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't no thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He just made him go poof.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see you like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what you get for being curious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Almost murdered.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I've to come in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clean up your mess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Clean up your mess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the first story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was there was another account that is it is similar to this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is just a short, short one,
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was logged and like I said, very similar, a woman takes a book from a man and begins reading it as she reads it, little black creatures start appearing, however in this case, they are
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it just says pubs so unless there's another interpretation for pubs I'm picturing like little black dogs and they start appearing
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which it which is commonality in paranormal for folklore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get a lot of black dogs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I see how it overlaps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The man takes the book back and once again the owner of the book is able to remove the creatures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is my favorite story of the night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you have an interesting account about a fisherman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's in who's in desperate need right the fishermen was having a difficult time finding enough men to work for him because the time You know fish and was tough work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't just about catching the fish Once you got back to land you you had to deal with cleaning them preparing them and preserving them well one point
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[SPEAKER_01]: The man makes a declaration.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, next year, I'll have enough workers, even if they come from the devil himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure everyone collectively decided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Old Dan here is just pissed off and he just blonded smoking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: According to the story, it actually came through.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, he was able to summon a group of supernatural beings described as the Devil's Imps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, the fishermen put those little shits to work.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was part of the deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of the deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Imps weren't simply standing around or carrying out some vague task.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One would literally cut the fish open and work around the head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The other would remove the head and entrails.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another would draw water and wash the fish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Another would carry the faired fish into the fishing stage and place them in a pin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the other would salt the fish for preservation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, dude, literally had full crew of devalemps helping him fish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was Satan's supervisor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To do anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: To catch his PB.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The steady summons say it's army to make some fish jerky.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Each of these little amps had their own specific task.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just picture them just.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Work and go into town and get them said done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he just got a whole little fish and crew.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they had like little rubber waiters on and the straps and then like the little fish and stocking cap and they just out there working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Singing some sea shanty is there and what's crazy is that dude must have had a very specific deal because I'm assuming
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[SPEAKER_01]: that in the fall time was the end of their fishing season, because when fall arrived, it was reported that the emps simply disappeared vanishing into a verbal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So our work here is done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're done, but we put a solid year in for you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're out of five thousand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At first, I was going to judge his choices.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you have you have the black heart and you can do whatever you want get whatever you want and i'm like this is just doing it to make his job easier but then in my brain i thought if i can open a portal a portal to hell at my workplace i'm doing it no question that it's a fair assessment
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care if the amps come out and do my job or not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just doing it to see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just letting her rip.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't blame you there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Worst case scenario, I ain't gotta go to work, ma'am.
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[SPEAKER_01]: True story.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that her, ma'am?
26:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably like it there where you work.
26:46
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, each oven's kind of like a portal to hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They probably get confused.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Still odd, lad, rip it, let's see what happens.
26:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't blame you.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So the next story comes directly from one of the lumber camps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently a man there had a black book that granted him some interesting abilities.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The man in question was actually feared at home in his own community.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This man was suspected of causing the illness and deaths of another man's child or children after their father apparently offended him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That section of the story was actually submitted by one of his family members.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, the informants' father had also worked next to the man inside one of these lumber camps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He said that the man demonstrated some bizarre abilities in front of workers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So on one night, the men were sitting around playing cards, and during the game, the man in question with the black book was dealt the queen of hearts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When all of a sudden the man decided, he was going to transform the card into a real woman, which he did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She appears wearing clothing resembling the figure on the card, dressed in red and wearing high heels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She literally walks in front of the men, and one of the men that was watching was a 22-year-old, and he just straight up fainted.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I don't really blame him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is wild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because a woman just came out of a card.
28:37
[SPEAKER_02]: And the dudes all, the dude doing the Maddox already a dick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a side of this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How much escalation do you have to go from, hey, this man offended me to I'm going to murder his children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little, that's a little, well, much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the next escalation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have made the guy stop his toe like every day for the rest of his life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know what, I've been thinking about these, these hellish imps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine being confined to the eternal hellscape?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And finally, someone finds the black heart, opens it up.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Summoned you and your four bodies to earth to all of earthly pleasures and you got a clean fish for a year Over let's a hole in meeting on deadliest catch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't even go fishing you just have to Clean fish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's probably better than being in hell though, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it depends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you're a hell imp, you probably got it all right down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a fair assessment.
30:04
[SPEAKER_02]: You get summoned to clean fish.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that might be a shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, man, they did it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They think they're playing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, they sang songs in my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were fishermen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see expect them to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, clean fish.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did you imagine there's like, to Chattern back and forth in the language that you have no idea they're saying?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, language is just unknown to human ears.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just talking shit on old boy for like you couldn't even let us.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You couldn't even let us cast a line.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, here making you, hey, dollars hand over fist, bud.
30:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't even get that beta hook.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, out of here.
30:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's terrible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We've lost more fish than you'll ever catch.
30:48
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Lumbercat man, between the, you know, that fact and the fact he would know everyone's cards as they were playing, the men under no circumstances wanted to play cards with this dude anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, they were also afraid to tell him that do the fact he summoned a woman from a deck of cards and murdered someone's children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And possibly murdered someone's children.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see.
31:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I can see where they're at their at a empath.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I would just stop playing cards.
31:34
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I got a new job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably a better, better judgment call.
31:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We got the murder magician here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:44
[SPEAKER_02]: That's trying to, the murder magician card shark.
31:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Trying to hustle us.
31:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not only fuck with this guy.
31:51
[SPEAKER_02]: No, he's kind of a dick.
31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On another occasion, the man offered a wager of $1,000.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Challenging any of the men to meet him
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[SPEAKER_01]: everyone basically said, fuck that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not even going to consider it.
32:14
[SPEAKER_01]: None of them thought it would be a good idea to meet this guy alone after dark.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them for whatever reason, just assumed that he would turn into a giant snake.
32:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where that comes from, but that was their assumptions.
32:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like there's more that I feel like there's a story
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's something, there's something to that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That we're not privy to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because to further that point, at the same time, all of the men in the camp were 100% convinced that the book could not be destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all said that even if it were to be thrown into a fire, it couldn't be destroyed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not only that, it would return to the owner's pocket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would assume that at some point, the dude through his book into the fire and then it just was like, oh, look at this, see, try here now, is it much better?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right back to the murder magician.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then everybody's like shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They also said, they also said that the dude, the murder magician, they don't even really know how this,
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: the description is rather humorous.
33:39
[SPEAKER_02]: It's magic call.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
33:41
[SPEAKER_01]: They said this is how it was put, which is just crazy to me.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They said the dude had a long hair and a beard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was that was how they described him.
33:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They just said he had a long hair and a beard.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: But they said he was never affected by the cold ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The men would be out there trying to cut trees down just a shiver in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this dude would be out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Without his mittens on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So head banging on the button shirt, just dropping wood.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Circle head banging, doing card tricks, pulling women out of thin air, killing kids, doing whatever he wants, turning into giant snakes.
34:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I still feel like if you had a book that powerful, you're still grossly underusing it.
34:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're just using it to pick on your coworkers.
34:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do that without magic book.
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you could literally, if you could summon a woman from a deck of cards, you could probably summon a lot of money and just not ever work in.
34:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, just not top trees down.
34:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, he's like, fight me at the camp at 11 o'clock.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to play cards and I'm going to win every time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I've got this book of unmeasurable magic and I'm going to use it to be a dick.
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
35:09
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean for some people, that's probably appropriate.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like there's some people out there that would gladly do that.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're on about that.
35:21
[SPEAKER_01]: In the next story,
35:23
[SPEAKER_01]: We get into an actual description of what one of these books looked like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Disapparently was recorded in 1990, claiming the account took place in the 1920s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In this particular story, the book was referred to as the book of Black Hearts.
35:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, every single page of this book contains a single black heart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Inside of each heart were tiny shapes of animals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was also writing of some kind,
35:52
[SPEAKER_01]: although it wasn't ordinary text.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At the bottom of each page was scratches or markings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So in this story a group of seal hunters were having a hard time finding seals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they decided to approach a woman who possessed the book of black hearts and asked her for help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She opens the book and began telling the story about seals, but then a few minutes the men began hearing sounds of seals bang.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what's bizarre is the fact that the men were inside the woman's house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, where near the fucking ocean,
36:33
[SPEAKER_01]: water began to splash up through the floor boards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But just like that, the hunters look had changed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now they were just stock full of finding seals.
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So they did, they did a saw of the lady did a solid.
36:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she says, I got you just get out of my house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just get out of here or I'll drown you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be creepy.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be terrifying.
37:06
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the the seals bang would be like, okay, this is kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, no, maybe there's some seals around.
37:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're already your seal hunter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're gonna be around seals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But when the ocean started coming up through the floor, we got a problem.
37:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I would probably move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.
37:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.
37:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have a story involving a man, our man named Quentin.
37:39
[SPEAKER_01]: By all accounts, this dude was super, super nice.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: What a guy.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was 60 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he just offered operated a snack bar, man.
37:54
[SPEAKER_01]: He just out there trying to make it, right?
37:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Living the life, swimming glisys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Passing out some popcorn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the type of shit he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, my probably probably snow cones here and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure this, this, this, this business was a place where people actually enjoyed gathering and watching Clinton perform unusual tricks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The person who submitted the story about the old man said that Quentin was one of the
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[SPEAKER_02]: Quentin, the glissie gobler.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, it's strange because I'm reading about this and, and like I just said, people viewed this establishment as like a place of enjoyment, however, apparently Quentin had stoves that could dance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: objects that seem to just transform and clothing that could somehow be removed through magical means, even money that could be transferred from one place to another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, on the other hand, would probably halfway be freaking out if I saw a full-sized stove dancing around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially if there was a 60 year old man magically taking his clothes off next to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a lot of a strange description there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, was he, yeah, that could get this could get Suss.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was he using it to take his own clothes off?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was he using it to take another people's clothes off?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it matter?
39:38
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and there's stoves dancing around, and uh-huh.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, yeah.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very strange.
39:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I love it because it's like, what was that Disney movie, the Sword and the Stone, where they had Merlin and they do the big wizard battle and like, as he's packing his bags, he's singing a little song and everything in his house is dancing around and moving and screaming.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Immediately what did me, well, what did maybe think of minus the guy getting naked?
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[SPEAKER_02]: This funny that the magical lore kind of carries over, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
40:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's super weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I realized that with a lot of what just got described, they could somehow, some way, just be tricks.
40:37
[SPEAKER_01]: However, a lot of people that knew the dude said that he literally gained his abilities through some kind of book.
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[SPEAKER_02]: right and in a black book I just picture a picture quint in there could just pass out the glissies everybody is just max everyone is like now on to my next trick and he walks into a closet fully cloth and then he walks out of the closet completely naked that's what happened I guess you're mind blown now yeah
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the real mind for each, and this is on the freak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, enjoy your glissies.
41:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So where was that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: People were saying that he would read pages out of this book and gain some kind of magical power, and I guess people would ask him about the book too, and he would just kind of
41:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like on the other, just glance it off, he would never allow anyone to see the book and Quinn kept it hidden inside his home somewhere.
41:47
[SPEAKER_01]: The man wouldn't even allow his wife to look at the book, which to me would suggest that he didn't want anyone to view the book for one or two reasons, maybe even both.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: One being that it would be possible for other people to outshine him, the other would
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe even dangerous for, you know, said individuals to youth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would even wage it that the danger was high because at one point he actually tried to burn the book.
42:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Thinking it was, they're thinking it over, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Erno, after he had burned the book, he's like, all right, it's gone, it's done, fuck this thing.
42:30
[SPEAKER_01]: However, the next morning, his wife was making the bed and found the book, tucked underneath the pillow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Quentin said, all right, watch this.
42:41
[SPEAKER_01]: He decides to burn the book again and again, trying to get rid of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Each and every time he would burn this book,
42:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So no matter what he tried, he could not get rid of this book.
42:59
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
42:59
[SPEAKER_02]: That's creepy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he also knew that the last two significant others that snooped in the book ended up with their houses full of imps.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, no, nobody touches this.
43:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
43:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do want to point out something interesting.
43:20
[SPEAKER_01]: it's interesting how in almost every single one of these accounts except for maybe the lumber magician.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of the owners keep the book hidden to a degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost interesting to me that the nature of the person with the book kind of changes.
43:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, like they're like it's just part of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to keep this hidden.
43:48
[SPEAKER_01]: What's his fucking face with the damn ring, you know, from more of the rings.
43:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, whatever the fuck his name is.
43:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you would assume you'd also assume that if the book was purely evil, it would entice people to use it for evil acts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And oddly enough, it seems like the powers of the book could be used to
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[SPEAKER_01]: project the person wielding it almost to a degree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't change the fact that there may still be a heavy burden in using the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, because of the book was created by evil and it costs, you know, say your soul, I don't think the devil really gives you shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you do with said book because the the debt is paid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what I mean.
44:41
[SPEAKER_02]: It almost feels very intention based.
44:46
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because murder magician just didn't give a shit about it.
44:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You tell him he was an asshole.
44:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he was probably flaunting that.
44:54
[SPEAKER_02]: He used it as a is a fear tactic.
44:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, especially he probably showed them because he probably hadn't them all under under some sort of big, you know, terror regime that he was running at the lumber camp.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He probably took that book through it into the fire and then said, look at this if you're thinking about getting rid of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: look, you can't hear it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now fight me as a giant snake.
45:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm doing it.
45:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Which always trying to nobody's trying to read, redo and agonda.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, especially now with the murder magician.
45:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, because if you do get it, if you do get a leg up and you beat his ass, he's just going to kill your fam.
45:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he can't win.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
45:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
45:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, destroying powerful books goes way back, it even reaches over to European Grimors.
45:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You have the Grand Albert book where people describe burning it, throwing it into the sea, tearing it apart, always to have the book return.
46:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it just doesn't work that way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I almost... Part of me almost feels like it's even creepier throwing it into the ocean.
46:27
[SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, back in your house.
46:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
46:33
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate that.
46:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Me too.
46:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It's disgusting.
46:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
46:41
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.
46:43
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes I always wonder because I go to a lot of use bookstores and I go to a lot of antique shops and I Oh, like here to about this makes me wonder how many powerful books We just walk by and never ever know.
47:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'm sure they're out there.
47:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, it'd be so cool to just give my hands on one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would
47:10
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't even not even use it for its power just to have in the ocean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no doubt.
47:17
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be so cool.
47:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
47:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd take one.
47:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there was another theory from these books, and it's that it could be passed down through families, which might make some sense.
47:35
[SPEAKER_01]: It being tied to a lineage, because we have two sides of a story from 1983 and 1987.
47:43
[SPEAKER_01]: According to the accounts of a woman named Marion, she possessed a black heart book.
47:54
[SPEAKER_01]: She passed the book down to her daughter, Sarah.
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: By 1983, Sarah was an elderly woman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, these women weren't much to use in the book to do bizarre magic tricks and entertaining people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These women described her were described as using the book to cast spells on other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the people who submitted the story is named as Joan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She said in the summer of 1983, she was asked to do some painting for Sarah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joan actually declined the offer saying she really didn't have a time to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joan's aunt was like, uh, you might want to re- you do realize that's crazy Sarah, right?
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the black book and shit.
48:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You should probably, you know, there might be some consequences of this.
48:45
[SPEAKER_01]: So afterwards, Joan almost instantly starts experiencing horrible luck.
48:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Her luck just goes down a fucking
48:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Admittedly, though, Joan knew of Sarah's reputation and kind of just put the pieces together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She never got like actual confirmation that Sarah did this to her.
49:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have another person who submitted a story about Sarah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were named as John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John's family lived next door to Sarah.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And Sarah and John's family were in a bit of a land boundary dispute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, two of John's brothers were outside painting the house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them were standing on scaffolding, when all of a sudden the scaffolding suddenly collapses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: John's family believed that Sarah used the book to cast a spell, causing the scaffolding to crash.
49:46
[SPEAKER_01]: The brothers said that the scaffolding was super solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They went out there, you know, they were climbing on all day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was super solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were, they were just dumbfounded by how it actually collapsed.
49:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, doesn't sound insanely strange, even though it kind of does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the oddity to the story is that the woman from the first account, Joan, actually witnessed the scaffolding collapsing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: but the details were different when she told the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joan remembered three brothers on the scaffolding, instead of two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She also said, one of the brothers made a remark after the scaffolding fell about the witch's heart burning that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I find that very fucking strange,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that the first submission from John about it is brothers involved in an incident and they said it was only two of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jonah's saying she saw three people on the scaffolding that day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it collapsed, they make some offhand mention of the witch's heart burning
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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't sound sussie at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I almost feel like Joan might have witnessed the magic of this spell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like almost like that third person was like a home in type and you know being.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after it happens it was almost like the.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they were like ha ha, which is part burned hard to day boys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
51:54
[SPEAKER_02]: That's, that's for the hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is fucking weird.
51:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Because how would, how would John fuck that story up about his brothers?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like they're, it's almost like they're witness to separate, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this why wouldn't why wouldn't all three of his brothers be like no no How's it there too, bud?
52:21
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's only two of us up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what I mean like It doesn't make sense to me
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[SPEAKER_02]: I doubt it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's almost like the the book manipulated reality, which it I mean obviously it does because I'll do this pulling women from the cards and stuff exactly like manipulating multiple realities and the different realities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fucking weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And almost like parents.
52:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You almost guessed that judging by, I feel like Sarah's background was that she was with you to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if I feel like everybody that knows shit about like wichy magic, they're the ones that are like psychopaths about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like think about it, the murder magician, he was just an idiot and he's like, walks with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can read all your cards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the fisherman, the fisherman's like, I need some dudes to help me.
53:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, let me summon these imps from hell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like they don't even, it's almost like it doesn't even process in their brain.
53:28
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, I could take, I could take Joe out right now.
53:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I could just send this fucking crazy devil in up over there to bite his leg off or trip him, tie his shoes together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Did the other brother also note that the two on the scaffolding we talked about the witch's heart burning?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was just a mission.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That just came from old girl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What?
53:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what maybe we feel like it was kind of a witchy story.
54:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It is weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Weird.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Definitely.
54:16
[SPEAKER_01]: There was another story found by Marie Hennic, who studied folklore in Newfoundland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She found a story about a Frenchman who possessed the mysterious black book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People who spoke about him said it was a black book or a witches book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Regardless this book allowed him to produce extraordinary visions simply by reading the book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The odd thing about this though is that the man would actually read the book backwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, people that would pass by this man's house would often seem see things that just shouldn't be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One example that was given was that a person walking by his house witness horses outside.
54:58
[SPEAKER_01]: The fucked up thing about these horses and that they were breathing fire from their nostrils.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would stand out.
55:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little different, right?
55:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that would stand out to me.
55:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
55:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Southern that happened in New Falun was that people would actually recite the Lord's prayer, backwards to bring forth an old hag onto someone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, noting that reading things backwards is something that is known in witchcraft charms and dealing with the devil.
55:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there was lower in New Falun that people would actually recite the Lord's prayer, backwards to bring forth old hag onto people.
55:36
[SPEAKER_02]: That's room definitely.
55:39
[SPEAKER_01]: In this example of the Frenchman, the man's powers were supposedly inherited by his daughter.
55:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Now something I'm sure we were all considering at this point is how does one go about getting their hands on a black hard book?
55:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Which Steve is kind of
55:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I have considered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, according to lore, it's not very easy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some accounts you would have to involve yourself with supernatural rituals, or making a bargain with a devil himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One ritual actual describes having to do it for 12 consecutive nights, having to go to the exact same location each night, always a midnight, to perform whatever ritual is required,
56:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, another thing that was considered bizarre was the connection to the tradition of the 12 days of Christmas, suggesting a perverse and ritual of something sacred, almost like doing it backwards, like the man reading it backwards.
56:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, in another account, the black book was considered the devil's Bible, according to tradition, the devil had disciples who traveled among ordinary people.
56:56
[SPEAKER_01]: These disciples were individuals who had sold their souls.
56:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Their purpose was to recruit others into the devil's service, looking for people with difficult circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: someone who desperately wanted something and willing to make a bargain from there the disciples would offer that person a black heart book as part of the exchange and by accepting the book you surrendered your soul to the devil even if they refused the book the first time because some people apparently did
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even if they turn it down a thousand times, the one time that you agreed to keep it, game over, the deal is done.
57:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, I'm gonna throw this out there, which, if this story holds any merit at all, could explain why there are multiple black book, black heart books in the newfoundland area, because you have disciples,
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[SPEAKER_01]: wandering around, making deals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, in one account, the cost for the book was rather strange, and this is kind of where I'm going to come to an end on the black art books, but I do find this one very, very interesting.
58:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Filmen Wade was this dude's name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was 40 years old and had developed a pretty shit reputation in the community during his travels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He acquired a black heart book which allowed him to break apparently some which put a spell on him and he was actually able to use the black heart book to break the spell that was placed on him.
58:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Another account of Wade's revenge
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[SPEAKER_01]: was that he wanted to ride on a boat you wanted to take a boat somewhere and the captain was like, fuck you you're not coming on my boat no so a way to use the book to make it just we heard that we discussed it earlier
59:06
[SPEAKER_01]: The, he uses the book to make the captain's clothes fall off while in front of the entire boat.
59:12
[SPEAKER_02]: What is with these guys?
59:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the odd things about Wade though was that he rarely went to work, but always had money.
59:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was also known for spending lots of time with married women.
59:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Wade has extra curriculars.
59:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I don't want to assume that he's using the black book as an unlimited money glitch and to bang and married women.
59:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he has actually his regular activities, which is a pretty good reason to have a shitty reputation in town.
59:54
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I would use the unlimited money glitch.
59:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you don't need to, yeah, you do all the other stuff.
1:00:05
[SPEAKER_02]: Betten with taking women.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, man, that's just shitty.
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:00:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's what I thought was weird.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_01]: The deal was apparently made with, I'm gonna assume a disciple, maybe it was a devil himself, but said payment for black heart book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: was his soul and a penny.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: His soul went up in me, which is curious.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Very curious.
1:00:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard anything like that before.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I started looking around.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I found a few interesting bits of information.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So, something I found was that it's possible the penny was a binding payment.
1:00:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So, in British folk tradition, there was something known as God's penny, which was a small payment used to confirm a bargain.
1:01:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So, the amount that was involved in this bargain was kind of, it didn't matter.
1:01:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Which almost kind of reminds me of a handshake?
1:01:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Costs seal the deal.
1:01:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of what I feel like.
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a handshake.
1:01:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Um.
1:01:30
[SPEAKER_01]: a possibility some may have thought was and it's kind of where my brain initially went to was the payment of passage into the supernatural world, you know, Greek mythology of the dead where they're associated with a very mid-name, Quran, or Karen, who transported souls across the water separating the living world from the underworld, a coin or oval, or payment of said journey,
1:01:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Another one that was weird that doesn't really combine with it, but it's rather interesting.
1:02:05
[SPEAKER_01]: You have the Devil's Coin and Supernatural Wealth.
1:02:10
[SPEAKER_01]: German folklore includes a magical coin known as the HECFINNING or HECTOLAR.
1:02:17
[SPEAKER_01]: This coin would return to its owner after being spent, which doesn't, like I said, doesn't exactly fit the way the situation, but it does slightly lean into the idea that people would use the black heart to acquire money.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Another suggestion is a story where a man named Jack encounters the devil and persuades him to turn himself into a coin and pay for a drink.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Jack traps the devil by placing the coin and beside it and silver cross and kind of black mellows him into getting more of what he wanted.
1:02:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, not exactly tying into the story, but essentially what if Wade's soul was placed inside the coin?
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... and then in some traditions you have a devil packed that
1:03:08
[SPEAKER_01]: basically treated the surrender of the soul as a formal agreement, in some version of the legend, that agreement is written and signed in blood, other recorded traditions describe contracts involving promises of wealth and exchange for body and soul.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe this was a different or earlier version of blood of traditions, essentially.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have a physical
1:03:36
[SPEAKER_01]: physical manifestation of the deal and then you also have the spiritual manifestation of the deal.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and pennies are raw throughout folklore anyway, which is interesting.
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, penny for good luck and penny for prosperity and
1:04:00
[SPEAKER_02]: What is like, if someone gives you a knife, you're supposed to give them a penny, so the sharp object doesn't sever the relationship or the friendship, and that's where I didn't know that.
1:04:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, pennies are all throughout lore.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I would have found more of that.
1:04:23
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting.
1:04:30
[SPEAKER_02]: And that, I kind of thought that too, like, just adding the penny in my brain is trying to make a connection how adding the penny weighs, like, weighs more than the soul, than the soul by itself, like something, something weird in there is like trying to connect my brain.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I thought when I heard it.
1:04:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, this is...
1:04:54
[SPEAKER_01]: for some reason it makes sense, but it, I don't know.
1:04:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it almost like, it's almost, it is almost like, like it's poking fun at it, like your soul's only worth a penny or some shit.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_02]: It's weird.
1:05:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_02]: The lore, the lore behind it all is very interesting.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I would like to know the, um,
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the word I'm looking for?
1:05:27
[SPEAKER_02]: The like, where these books originated from?
1:05:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I mean, like, where they started.
1:05:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Because you know there's got to be some crazy lore out there that some, some witch way back when put together, like, especially the one with the black hearts and the animals in the weird writing.
1:05:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:05:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Do this, it's, it's so red.
1:05:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It is red, and it's a topic that I often forget about that I would, I'm genuinely curious about which craft and these old grand wars and the lore around them and the mystery around them.
1:06:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's super interesting.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
1:06:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if any of our witchy friends out there know why the penny was made in addition
1:06:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, throw us some throw us some info in the comments because Or if you know how we can get a hold of a black heart book that doesn't require us to sell our soul.
1:06:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you know.
1:06:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_01]: We got pennies.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Lots of them.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we just don't.
1:06:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I really try to sell my soul.
1:06:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I can give you a quarter.
1:06:46
[SPEAKER_01]: One extra quarter, and not a quarter of my soul.
1:06:50
[SPEAKER_02]: Kyle's making, cause accidentally making deals out of here.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_02]: You're looking for my own.
1:06:54
[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be a damn book on your front porch.
1:06:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I would fucking freak me out.
1:06:59
[SPEAKER_02]: They'd be like, you rang.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_02]: We heard you want to make a deal, Kyle.
1:07:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then I just denied.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, no.
1:07:06
[SPEAKER_01]: No, see you later.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And your house just full of imps.
1:07:10
[SPEAKER_02]: No deal.
1:07:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Cleaning every fish you catch.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f***in' f
1:07:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, because we were talking off air about, you know, the quality of stories and stuff.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, terrestrial stories are kind of way the fuck up there.
1:07:56
[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like the witchy stories get up there too.
1:08:01
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of weird shit around like witchy stories.
1:08:07
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it is, it is a nice change of pace.
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_02]: constant UFO stuff.
1:08:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we we probably have more UFO content than anything else.
1:08:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the easiest to find stuff on.
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:08:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:08:26
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would like to know significantly more about which stuff and like some of the origins how it would come to be that type of shit.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And the little, like I said, the little nuggets of like more connected to it, like the penny and stuff like that is so, it's so interesting because you know, you know it has to have some specific meaning, you know, because why else would it?
1:09:17
[SPEAKER_02]: They'll put it in the comments and it'll be, and I'll just say, I'm not reading, I'm not reading that essay, bro.
1:09:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hollow cult, that's it.
1:09:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for hanging out.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_02]: That's this wonderful Monday.
1:09:33
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope everybody has a good week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Make the best of it.
1:09:39
[SPEAKER_02]: We know you're working at sucks.
1:09:41
[SPEAKER_02]: This was it.
1:09:42
[SPEAKER_02]: What it is, I make the best of it.
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Take your black heart book and use it to make the best of your week.
1:09:52
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for kicking it with us.
1:09:53
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1:09:59
[SPEAKER_02]: And until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird.
1:10:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you happen to find a book, that you're reading from and all of a sudden, your house is filled with devil imps, I don't send the book to us.
1:10:16
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what we can do with it.