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Credlin | 18 September · Credlin

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  Speaker 1: Peter Greenblin live on skyingins Australia.
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  Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Extraordinary scenes as one.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred or so low tech pages used by Hesbella militants
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  Speaker 2: blow up. It shows you just how any device can
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  Speaker 2: become part of a counterinsurgency. Will discuss this in all
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  Speaker 2: detail and who might have been behind it with Greg Sheridan.
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  Speaker 2: Yet another day of industrial action as thousands of CFMAU
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  Speaker 2: and fellow unionists lay down their tools for a labor
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  Speaker 2: government that said they're cracking down on union lawlessness. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't appear that anyone's listening.
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  Speaker 3: Plus day three.
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  Speaker 2: Of More Redeeming's defamation action against John Bizuto. The focus
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  Speaker 2: today turning to those who turn up to that women's
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  Speaker 2: rights rally and what responsibility deeming actually bears And after
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  Speaker 2: covering for too long, how business figures have stood bad
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  Speaker 2: cannot taken up the fight to the government. Well, last
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  Speaker 2: night they took on labor with some home truths about
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  Speaker 2: what underpins Australia's prosperity.
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  Speaker 4: Whether you like it or not, the mining and resources
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  Speaker 4: sector has been the bedrock of Australia's economic success for
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  Speaker 4: the past century.
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  Speaker 2: Rather than feeling confident in our growing prosperity, many CEOs
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  Speaker 2: feel as though we are losing our way.
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  Speaker 3: I'll alludi you to that last night in Sydney.
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  Speaker 2: Will come to that though, But first another day in
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  Speaker 2: the Deeming Perzzuto defamation trial that today had implications for
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  Speaker 2: all of us. What played out today in the Federal
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  Speaker 2: court was a debate about who turned up, had to
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  Speaker 2: let women speak rally, and the responsibility Deeming had or didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Have for their presence.
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  Speaker 2: Now, seriously, is this the best the Perzuto camp can
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  Speaker 2: muster that, somehow more redeeming all any of us the
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  Speaker 2: responsible for those who might turn up a rally that
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  Speaker 2: we are at not to support the cause we believe in,
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  Speaker 2: but to protest against it. How on earth is Deeming
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  Speaker 2: or any of us responsible for those who turn up
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  Speaker 2: to protest against what we believe in? Does anyone think
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  Speaker 2: that defense contractors last week's Landforce expo in Melbourne were
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  Speaker 2: responsible for this?
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  Speaker 5: Don't understand against He's a Fountain Victorian, please us.
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  Speaker 2: At that event joining the protesters. We even had a
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  Speaker 2: State Greens MP. But that all seems okay, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 2: A Greens MP can join a violent hard left protest
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  Speaker 2: in Melbourne, but a Liberal MP is pillory because she
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  Speaker 2: turns up a pro women's rally and is then held
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  Speaker 2: responsible for the counter protesters that turn up, even though
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  Speaker 2: she's got absolutely no control over them.
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  Speaker 3: It makes no.
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  Speaker 2: Sense, but it's a shocking double standard that was made
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  Speaker 2: worse by the Liberal leader John Perzuto attacking one of
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  Speaker 2: his own about exactly this. In Brisbane last month, Green's
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  Speaker 2: federal MP Max Chandler Mather. Well, he spoke at a
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  Speaker 2: CFMU rally and displayed in the crowd with these banners,
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  Speaker 2: one calling the Prime Minister a Nazi, another likening.
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  Speaker 3: To Adolf Hitler.
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  Speaker 2: Now where was the expulsion of Chandler Mather by his
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  Speaker 2: leader Adam Bount, Because that's what should have happened under
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  Speaker 2: the Perzuto test, where you're held responsible for every rat
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  Speaker 2: bag that turns up to a protest with your cause
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  Speaker 2: or against it.
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  Speaker 6: On that point, about the side, that sign, the one
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  Speaker 6: that you refer to, is offensive and understand that Max
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  Speaker 6: channel mader Is also put out a statement saying that
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  Speaker 6: that sign is offensive. That's not a sign that we
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  Speaker 6: did or shared or anything like that. It was a
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  Speaker 6: sign that someone had at a rally, but it was offensive.
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  Speaker 7: Then why are you sharing a stage with that organization
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  Speaker 7: that has allowed this behavior to fester?
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  Speaker 3: Well, because those are allegations against individuals.
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  Speaker 6: But I'm sure you wouldn't be standing there suggesting that
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  Speaker 6: the tens of thousands of.
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  Speaker 3: Workers there should have their character to fame.
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  Speaker 2: You can see what's technique, you can't you. It's open
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  Speaker 2: slather for causes on the left, but for issues on
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  Speaker 2: the right. Issues about values, in this case, the rights
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  Speaker 2: of women and girls to single sex spaces of their own,
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  Speaker 2: Holding attendees responsible for every attendee, Well, that's designed to
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  Speaker 2: shut down the right, shut down public displays of issues
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  Speaker 2: that the hard left doesn't agree with. Daniel Andrews kicked
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  Speaker 2: all of this off when he attacked the liberals over
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  Speaker 2: the Nazi types gate crashing the women's rally, and then
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  Speaker 2: weak liberal leadership walked into his trap. Instead of defending
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  Speaker 2: their colleague, Instead of saying that no one's responsible for
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  Speaker 2: gate crashes, John Perzuto and his gang of three threw
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  Speaker 2: Deeming under the bus. Now, think about what's happened since
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  Speaker 2: the October seven atrocities. Think about how many pro Israel
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  Speaker 2: rallies that the Deputy Liberal Leader David Southwick has attended,
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  Speaker 2: that Georgie Crozier and John Persudo have attended to. These
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  Speaker 2: events are designed to be a show of strength against
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  Speaker 2: anti Semitism, but often in the crowd there's pro Palestinian,
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  Speaker 2: anti Zionist, pro Hummus types there as well. And in
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  Speaker 2: these cases, no sane person is dare suggesting that Southwick,
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  Speaker 2: Crozier or Perzuto are pro Hummus types.
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  Speaker 3: To do that would be laughable.
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  Speaker 2: So why then have they expelled Deeming because Offencivedo Nazis
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  Speaker 2: crashed her women's rally See the hypocrisy, see the double standard.
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  Speaker 2: The other feature of today's court hearing was the attempt
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  Speaker 2: by Perzzuto's barrister to get more redeeming to agree with
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  Speaker 2: everything UK feminist Kelly Jo Keen has ever said or
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  Speaker 2: ever written about women's rights. Now, for hours on end,
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  Speaker 2: mccollins went through a whole lot of statements from Keene
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  Speaker 2: going back years, all designed to tarnish her name and
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  Speaker 2: by implication, Moiradeeming. But let's not forget this is the
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  Speaker 2: same woman, Kelly J. Keen who sued Perzuto too for
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  Speaker 2: defamation and with whom he has settled with a few
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  Speaker 2: months ago. And then the craziest moment for me, kay,
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  Speaker 2: when the Perzuto team started to actually use tweets from
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  Speaker 2: Adam Bandt in their evidence. Yes, you heard that, right,
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  Speaker 2: Liberals using bands tweets as evidence. A tweet where Bant
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  Speaker 2: called the pro women's rally and anti trans rally, which
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  Speaker 2: it was not, and then ours deeming if she thought
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  Speaker 2: it was anti trans. Now, for goodness sake, says well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's a constant war on language from the
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  Speaker 2: left to frame their opponents. It's a constant battle for
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  Speaker 2: all of us to fight against the way the left
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  Speaker 2: turned women into a person with a uterus, or a
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  Speaker 2: person who menstruates breast feeding into chest feeding, and on
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  Speaker 2: and on it goes. We saw it too with the Voice.
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  Speaker 2: Those who oppose the Voice or we were called racists,
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  Speaker 2: except we weren't the ones who wanted to divide the
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  Speaker 2: country by putting race in the constitution?
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  Speaker 3: Were we? They were fighting the left on language is
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  Speaker 3: now a daily battle.
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  Speaker 2: But it's one we've got to keep prosecuting because it's
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  Speaker 2: all well warned to Tellitarian systems control language in order
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  Speaker 2: to diminish free thought.
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  Speaker 3: So let's see this for what it is.
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  Speaker 2: If this argument from Pozuto's barrister gets up, we'll all
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  Speaker 2: be responsible for everything someone who's ever been associated with
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  Speaker 2: us says on any issue, not just where we might
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  Speaker 2: agree with them, but every tweet, every social media post
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  Speaker 2: on all of you is the whole gamut, and we
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  Speaker 2: will all be responsible for everyone who then gate crashes
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  Speaker 2: any protest.
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  Speaker 3: We turn up at.
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  Speaker 2: Only though, this will only happen to you if you're
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  Speaker 2: on the right. If you're on the left, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: carte blanche again. I say, where on earth is the
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  Speaker 2: judgment of the Liberal leader that this whole sorry episode has.
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  Speaker 3: Now ended up in court? Lots of other issues around.
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  Speaker 2: We'll go to Camperdown for the headlines Skyne and its
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  Speaker 2: political reporter Trinny Macintosh.
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  Speaker 7: Thousands of tradees walk off the job today in Sydney
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  Speaker 7: and Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: This is a threat to democracy.
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  Speaker 5: I'm proud unionist for forty years and I'm not letting
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  Speaker 5: the government take the conditions offers.
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  Speaker 7: This is the second major CFMEU rally in less than
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  Speaker 7: a month. Workers still angry the federal government placed the
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  Speaker 7: union into administration amid allegations of corruption and infiltration by bikis.
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  Speaker 4: If they raise bikeis criminals in the industry, why.
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  Speaker 5: Aren't the coppers getting them?
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  Speaker 6: Every official of this union has been denied legal process.
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  Speaker 7: Meanwhile, Instagram's later US move to protect more children has
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  Speaker 7: been met with bipartisan skepticism. The tech giant has promised
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  Speaker 7: new automatic restrictions for under eighteens metaclaims. This is unrelated, though,
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  Speaker 7: to the government's push to introduce minimum age limits. They
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  Speaker 7: have been working on this for some time, they say,
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  Speaker 7: so have we since coming to office.
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  Speaker 3: But we want to see more done. Quite frankly, I
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  Speaker 3: think they're bloody full of it.
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  Speaker 7: Also today the government is considering expanding free childcare for
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  Speaker 7: lower income families. Along awaited Productivity Commission report calls for
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  Speaker 7: free care to be offered to families earning up to
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  Speaker 7: eighty thousand dollars from twenty twenty six. It also recommends
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  Speaker 7: no fees for parents with multiple children under five earning
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  Speaker 7: up to one hundred and forty thousand. But the changes
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  Speaker 7: come with the big price tag, costing the federal budget
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  Speaker 7: an extra five billion dollars a year.
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  Speaker 5: We need to look at all of these recommendations cost
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  Speaker 5: them properly, and then we'll respond in the next few months.
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  Speaker 2: All right for more of those stories today, I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: now Maska new senior reporter Truty Macintosh and camera and
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  Speaker 2: senior reporter Krolyn Marcus in Sydney. Well, welcome to you both. Truty,
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  Speaker 2: I might just start if I can that childcare story.
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  Speaker 3: We just saw.
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  Speaker 2: They're in your package with the free, completely free childcare
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  Speaker 2: for low income families. Is there a working qualification? Do
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  Speaker 2: these pairs have to be in paid work because that's
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  Speaker 2: always been a big argument that we only pay as
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers for childcare because the tax and productivity dividend.
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  Speaker 3: But what's the case? Do you know?
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  Speaker 7: Well, the Productivity Commission report also suggests Peter scrapping the
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  Speaker 7: activity test entirely and is trying to increase the amount
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  Speaker 7: of founilies that would get access to free care. But ultimately,
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  Speaker 7: i'd point out this is just the Productivity Commission report.
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  Speaker 7: The government today wouldn't say at all what they're going
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  Speaker 7: to do on any of this, that they're going to
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  Speaker 7: have an answer for us before the election. But don't
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  Speaker 7: forget Labour's actually looking at moving towards universal childcare entirely.
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  Speaker 7: So watch this space ahead of the election if that's
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  Speaker 7: where they go.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say this very carefully to taxpayers at home, watch
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  Speaker 2: childcare because it's supposed to be a care provided by
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  Speaker 2: the state, paid for by you. If the parents are working,
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  Speaker 2: society that your kids get looked after five days a
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  Speaker 2: week and you're not in work in a paid system
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  Speaker 2: and a unionized system.
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  Speaker 3: Well that's very, very expensive. And it's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to the CFMEU protest now. It's walking off
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  Speaker 2: the job across Melbourne City today, including not just the CFMU,
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  Speaker 2: arranged in other unions too. One of the organizers even
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  Speaker 2: declared to the Melbourne crowd that there's never been a
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  Speaker 2: better union boss than John Seka Trudy. This wasn't just
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  Speaker 2: about EBAs, was it. This is a real fight now
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  Speaker 2: between labor and the people that pay labors.
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  Speaker 3: Wait come campaign time.
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  Speaker 7: And it's centers on this issue of placing the union
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  Speaker 7: into administration. We know the government acted on that after
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  Speaker 7: growing pressure with these allegations of biking, infiltration, corruption. You
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  Speaker 7: heard some of the men there in the story of
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  Speaker 7: these tradees. They believe there was no due process, that
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  Speaker 7: charges should have been laid before the union was placed
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  Speaker 7: into administration. I'd point out at the weekend we saw
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  Speaker 7: the administrator come out and say things are worse than
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  Speaker 7: even I had thought before I entered the CFMEU. He
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  Speaker 7: didn't just call out the conduct of corrupt union officials alleged,
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  Speaker 7: but also the police that where have they been in
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  Speaker 7: terms of trying to root out this bad behavior.
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  Speaker 3: In the union movement.
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  Speaker 7: So there's still so much to come on this, and
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  Speaker 7: clearly some of the workers are really frustrated and are
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  Speaker 7: promising to continue these.
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  Speaker 3: Sort of protests.
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  Speaker 2: Well, last night in Sydney Caroline, business really grew a spine.
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  Speaker 2: The Prime Minister said to the crowd that his government
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  Speaker 2: is pro business, they're very much pro worker.
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  Speaker 3: But those of the room disagreed.
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  Speaker 2: And the PM's even got Union Royalty Bill Keilty giving
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  Speaker 2: labor a blast over their economic agender or lack thereof.
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  Speaker 2: They're pretty friendless on every front, poor old labor here.
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  Speaker 8: It was only yesterday that Bill Kelty came out and
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  Speaker 8: said that the Albanese government is mired in mediocrity over
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  Speaker 8: its failures on economic growth. And now the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 8: has copped a real serve at this Business Council dinner
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  Speaker 8: last night, where big businesses confronted him over his government's
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  Speaker 8: industrial relations changes and its failures to really tackle the
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  Speaker 8: economic crisis in this country. Big business accused him of
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  Speaker 8: not being very pro business at all, which of course
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  Speaker 8: was something he said before the election and restated last
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  Speaker 8: night that he's pro business and pro worker. Well, according
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  Speaker 8: to the Business Council of Australia, he is making success
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  Speaker 8: taboo for big business and that's leading more employers, they say,
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  Speaker 8: to be cautious about hiring to look at investing overseas
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  Speaker 8: instead of here in Australia. Now, the Prime Minister was
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  Speaker 8: steadfast in his refusal to address these concerns about the
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  Speaker 8: eye out changes specifically. So, Peter, that's really set, that
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  Speaker 8: tension point between the government and business is really set
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  Speaker 8: to continue until i'd say, the election.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get an update treaty. The problem the Senate, of
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  Speaker 2: course they're sitting this week.
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  Speaker 3: The House is not.
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  Speaker 2: The Senate is the PM's failed to get to one
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  Speaker 2: of his signature legislation aims through the housing bills. The Coalition,
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  Speaker 2: the Greens and almost every center crossbencher have rejected this
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  Speaker 2: help to buy proposal. Now when they're all railing against
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  Speaker 2: it right across the political spectrum. I reckon that says
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  Speaker 2: it's a dud, but there's still talk it could be
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  Speaker 2: a DD trigger.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I think the DD thing yesterday was
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  Speaker 7: a bit of an empty threat. We already could have
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  Speaker 7: an election today if the Prime Minister wanted to call it.
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  Speaker 7: It seems to me like we're at this point in
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  Speaker 7: the cycle where it's in the Greens and the Coalition's
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  Speaker 7: interest to have a fight on housing. They want this
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  Speaker 7: to be one of the central campaign issues.
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  Speaker 3: The Greens believed they'll be able to win votes off.
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  Speaker 7: Labor in crucial inner city seats on this issue.
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  Speaker 3: A bit of news on that front.
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  Speaker 7: The Prime Minister just said on radio that is going
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  Speaker 7: to reintroduce help to buy into the House when Parliament
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  Speaker 7: returns in October. So they want to continue to have
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  Speaker 7: this fight. I can't see we're going to have a
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  Speaker 7: double dissolution. It would make the Senate worse, not better
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  Speaker 7: for the Prime Minister. But he's leaving it open.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't bring it on for debate, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to wait the ninety days. But I can
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  Speaker 2: see what he's trying to do is to kind of
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  Speaker 2: get the threat of a DD over their heads.
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  Speaker 3: A Directive ninety nine.
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  Speaker 2: This is a ministerial direction that was obviously a big issue.
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  Speaker 2: We saw all of that, but there's a new one
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  Speaker 2: that's causing a bit of bother.
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  Speaker 3: This was Direction sixty three.
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  Speaker 2: Brought in in the Morrison era for those on a
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  Speaker 2: bridging visa if they were charged, not necessarily found guilty,
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  Speaker 2: but if they were charged with something, it meant their
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  Speaker 2: bridging visa was usually revoked. This would concern me, Caroline,
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  Speaker 2: because the governments now remove this very quietly removed this,
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  Speaker 2: and the timing is curious. The timing says to me
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  Speaker 2: that it lines up with the arrival of all these
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  Speaker 2: people from Gaza, and we know, of course at about
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  Speaker 2: seventy percent of them, all thirteen hundred here, have applied
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  Speaker 2: to stay in Australia permanently.
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  Speaker 3: They want to be assessed's refugees. Do you think this
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  Speaker 3: is a.
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  Speaker 2: Concern that Labor has removed this old direction and still
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  Speaker 2: a n answering serious questions about the vetting of these people.
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  Speaker 8: Absolutely, it's a concern. I mean, we know these people
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  Speaker 8: are coming from a terrorist enclay, from a war zone,
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  Speaker 8: without a sufficient checks being done. I mean, how can
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  Speaker 8: there be sufficient checks when most of them are being
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  Speaker 8: vetted within twenty.
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  Speaker 9: Four hours and as little as one hour.
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  Speaker 8: If you can call that proper vetting before they're coming
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  Speaker 8: here on visitor visas. And now having learned that this
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  Speaker 8: direction was quietly revoked back in January, which of course
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  Speaker 8: is not long after the October seven terror attacks and
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  Speaker 8: when Israel began its retaliatory attack against Hamas, would raise
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  Speaker 8: all sorts of security concerns. I mean, what this will
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  Speaker 8: mean is that if someone has charged that bridging visa
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  Speaker 8: won't be revoked, which means they won't go into immigration detention,
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  Speaker 8: which was happening under the previous system, and they will
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  Speaker 8: be allowed to remain in the community until their charges
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  Speaker 8: are heard in court, unless, of course, they are refused
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  Speaker 8: bail and they go within the normal prison system until
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  Speaker 8: their matters are heard. But in many cases they will
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  Speaker 8: be granted bail. They'll be out in the community. And
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  Speaker 8: while people do have, of couse, a right to a
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  Speaker 8: fair trial and the presumption of innocence, it means that
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  Speaker 8: while the wheels of justice turn very slowly, it can
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  Speaker 8: be months or even years. As you know, in serious
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  Speaker 8: criminal cases before they face court. They're out in the
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  Speaker 8: community posing a potential risk to everyday Australians. So if
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  Speaker 8: that's not a concern to the public, then I don't
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  Speaker 8: know what is.
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  Speaker 2: And also, let's not forget the precedent is there if
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  Speaker 2: they have a child in Australia, they will claim, as
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  Speaker 2: they have successfully claimed, that is a reason to stay
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  Speaker 2: in Australia despite.
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  Speaker 3: Any criminal convictions that might arise. Let's go to Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: The State Liberals might be eating themselves alive, truty, but
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  Speaker 2: it appears that Peter Dunn sees Victoria as a pathway to
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  Speaker 2: the lodge. His campaign team, well, they're focused on picking
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  Speaker 2: out four new metropolitan and urban fringe seats.
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  Speaker 3: These are not new seats, but they've been new and.
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  Speaker 2: His column Aston and Chisholm, McEwen and Goldstein. Now the
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: first three are held by Labour. The last across is
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: a Teal seat. They say Victoria is pretty weak for
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the Libs, but I have had a good look at
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: these seats myself and I think they are very prospective.
• 19:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's two big factors that play here, I'm
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: told by a senior Liberals in Victoria Peter. One is
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: the factor of Dan Andrews. The popularity of the state
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: Labor brand is not there as it was in twenty
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: twenty two. And also that Peter Dutton is not as
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: toxic as Scott Morrison was and he was a big
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: drag on the vote in Victoria. Beyond the four seats
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: that you just mentioned there, another one to keep an
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: eye on to me is Dunky Nathan Conroy, the Liberal
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: candidate that by election got a six percent swing. He's
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: quite popular on the ground. I'm told he's likely to
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: get pre selected in that seat again, So watch that
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: space on Dunkley. But mcew and a big one Aston
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: you imagine comes back into the column that was at
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: the high point of Labour's popularity, Alan Tudge causing that
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: by election at that time, probably in hindsight wasn't.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: A great idea.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: But yeah, Victoria, watch keep a very close eye on
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: whether the Libs choose to have their campaign function the
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: big campaign launch in Victoria. It's really turned the tide
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: in that state.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: I'll added one more too, the set of Karranger Mine.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: The woman there, the Labor woman there was backed heavily
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: by the CFMAU. They won't be able to donate in
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: this campaign, she won't have the CFMU volunteer army on
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: the ground and.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: She's up against a Liberal.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: The guys called Darcy Dunstan terrific candidate former Sas Tradey,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: very humble background, terrific on the stump and I always
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: working hard, just quickly, Caroline Victorian. Green's have pre selected
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: a teacher and a unionist. Her aim is Tara Burnett.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: She'll run in the seat of Cooper that's the old
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Batman if elected, and the Greens are very competitive in
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: this seat, it's held now by Labor.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: If she gets up, she.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Will become Australia's first trans MP.
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: Yeah she would, and she's made a point of that
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: and the Greens have as well when announcing that she's
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: going to run for the Seed And look at Major's
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: work for them. I mean this is an inner city
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Melbourne Seed and if identity politics is going to be
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: successful anywhere in the country, it's in a city Melbourne.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Isn't it.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: But look seats currently held by Labour's Jad Karney on
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: a margin of eight percent. The Greens managed to win
• 22:06
  Speaker 8: seats from Labor in Brisbane in the last election on
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: margins that were greater than that. She's also terrible emphasized
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: the fact that she's a renter, and that's going to
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: be a big issue in the electorate as well, especially
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: for the Greens because they're really pushing labor on the
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: rental crisis. So thirty eight percent of accommodation in the
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: seat is rentals, so that is going to be a
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: big issue as well as her gender identity.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: It seems.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the transactivists would be desperate to get someone in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: We'll watch that closely. Thank you both for the updates.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: All right after the break, those extraordinary coordinated attacks on
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Hezbalat militants so terrorists, as hundreds of pages explode simultaneously,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: so as international students making up the majority of university
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: misconduct referrals and one UNI they nearly eighty percent of
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: the cases. Welcome Max Dellhead will Labor hold its nerve
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and crack down on the international student numbers. A senior
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: university figure start to apply some pressure the first in
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: what was quite an extraordinary coordinated attack overnight, hundreds of
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: low tech pages, so the real old fashioned type pages
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: that buzz owned of course by Hesbala terrorists. Well, they're
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: simultaneously exploded. They've got Lithian bactories in the back within seconds.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Thousands were injured, at least nine killed. That's so far
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: at least two reports. At this stage details are pretty sketchy,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: but it's most likely that Mossad intercepted the pages before
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: they reached Hesbla, rigging them to explode. At this stage,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: no one yet has claimed responsibility. Joining me now for
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: his analysis. Foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan, Well,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: hes Blar. I think thought they'd been pretty clever here, Greg,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: by switching away from smartphones to go sort of low tech,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: even dark, by using pages, but not so it would
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: appear what do we know?
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: Well, Peter, great to be with you. This is a
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: fascinating business and full of implications, both immediate and long term.
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: I think we can safely assume this was moss Ad.
• 24:29
  Speaker 10: It came almost straight after Israel war cabinet saying that
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: one of its new war objectives was to be able
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: to take back the to resettle of sixty thousand to
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: eighty thousand people it's had to evacuate from its northern
• 24:44
  Speaker 10: towns near the Lebanese border. But this is an extraordinary
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: attack not only for its high tech quality, we expect
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: that from Israel, but it also indicates to me that
• 24:54
  Speaker 10: Israel has excellent human intelligence in Hesbala. Now, Israel recently
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: demonstrate that it has excellent human intelligence penetration of Iran,
• 25:03
  Speaker 10: knowing exactly where the Hamas leader Ismael Hanea was staying
• 25:08
  Speaker 10: and when and so forth, and where the safe house
• 25:11
  Speaker 10: was and all that, And now Israel is demonstrating it
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: has the same human intelligence penetration of Hezbollah. It knew
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: exactly when to strike, and it knew which pages Hezbollah
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: was getting and from where, and was able to organize
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: a time and a place where it could apparently interfere
• 25:32
  Speaker 10: with them and insert an explosive device into each of
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: six thousand pages and then set them off simultaneously. It
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: seems to have killed eight to ten people, but it's
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: put a few thousand in hospital, and these people won't
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: be available to carry out Hesbela terrorism anytime soon, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: Hesbala will have to go to a new communications system.
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: And then the other big question is why did Israel
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: do this?
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Right now?
• 25:59
  Speaker 10: Is prellid to more or is it just rebuilding to
• 26:03
  Speaker 10: Terrance or is it assigned to Hesbala that unless you
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: cut it out on the northern border, big, big consequences
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: are coming. Is it just Israel rebuilding its terrant capacity.
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: There as many questions out of this, as there are answers.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was straight out of a Gabrielle all on
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: spin of which I read quite a lot. But just
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: quickly before we go into other things, Greg some of
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the media reports made this sound that they were poor
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: old civilians who were targeted in this with these devices.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: But these were hes Bala militants, So terror combatants, weren't they.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: So Hesbla, under Australian law and under the law of
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: many nations, in all of its forms, its so called
• 26:49
  Speaker 10: civil form and its military form, is a designated terrorist organization. Tragically,
• 26:56
  Speaker 10: it seems that some civilians were killed, some innocent civilians,
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: But all the people who had these pages were hes
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: Bola operatives, and Hesbala was going to some trouble to
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: give them secure means of communication. Hes Bolla is a
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: murderous death cult terrorist organization under the direction of Iran,
• 27:20
  Speaker 10: dedicated to anti Semitic hatred of Israel and a broader
• 27:25
  Speaker 10: hatred of the West, absolutely despised by the bulk of
• 27:28
  Speaker 10: Lebanese people who just regarded as a terrible curse on
• 27:32
  Speaker 10: their nation and lawless, are under themselves, answerable only under
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: themselves and dominating and terrorizing southern Lebanon. So HESBELLA could
• 27:46
  Speaker 10: yep and fine and final thought, HESBLA could avoid all
• 27:48
  Speaker 10: this if it simply stopped firing rockets at Israel, pretty simple.
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: Then you don't get the Israel won't retaliate.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to underscore the point because if you
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: look at some of the left media today, there was
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: handwringing about this action, and I want to make the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: point that these were terror militants. Talk to me about
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: the UNFO. The General Assembly is going to meet on Friday.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: This is about a resolution demanding Israel withdrawal from Gaza
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: in the West Bank. The draft has been put forward
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: by the Palestinian authority. You know, I'm very very dodgy
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: where Penny Wong will be on this. What Australia's position
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: might be. What can you tell us?
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: Well, I think the government will attempt, as the reports indicate,
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: to water down the resolution so that it will still
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: be an obnoxious anti Israel resolution, but something that Labor
• 28:36
  Speaker 10: will be able to either support or abstain from. The
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: Albanezi government is gripped in a crisis of mediocrity and cowardice.
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: It won't be fish nor foul. It won't be one
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: thing nor the other. The government knows that its pathetic
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: posturing on the Middle East has no effect on the
• 28:55
  Speaker 10: real world at all. It also knows that it is
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: compromise with terrorists every time it gives a gesture which
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: helps humm us and it doesn't want to do this.
• 29:08
  Speaker 10: But it's terrified of its own left. It's terrified of
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: the Greens. It's terrified of Muslim activists in certain electorates
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: in Southwest Sydney and parts of Melbourne. Therefore, it's always
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: looking for a fudge, a way out where it can
• 29:23
  Speaker 10: be all things to all people or not take a stand.
• 29:27
  Speaker 10: It will never have the guts to simply stand up
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: to its own left as Bob Hawk.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Did you know?
• 29:32
  Speaker 10: Hawk took on the left wing of his party all
• 29:34
  Speaker 10: the time over foreign policy and the result was Australians
• 29:37
  Speaker 10: loved him.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: In overwhelming numbers.
• 29:40
  Speaker 10: The Albanezi government hasn't got the courage of a damp
• 29:43
  Speaker 10: squib in dark blue ink.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I want to get your take if I can. Greg
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the a b C.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It admits it aired adopted audio and this related obviously
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: to an Australian war crimes investigation. It named an Australian soldier.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: We then find out that there is a second slab
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: of audio. This is a Sky exclusive from yesterday that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: may also have been tampered with. Today, a former US
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Drug Enforcement Admin official he's demanded a story be taken
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: down that used his quotes. He says they're all taken
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: out of context. This is Bret Hamilton. He said he
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: only agreed to do the story after assurances from the
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: ABC journo that it was a positive story. It was
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: anything but the ABC surely, I mean, this is so serious,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: airing doctored footage, involving our diggers, involving war crime allegations.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: What should be the consequences.
• 30:45
  Speaker 10: Well, Peter, you know it is very serious. But I
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: disentangle it a bit. I don't put much store in
• 30:53
  Speaker 10: someone saying they're assured it would be a positive story.
• 30:55
  Speaker 10: I don't give me a break. If you've ever dealt
• 30:57
  Speaker 10: with the media in the history of your life, you
• 30:59
  Speaker 10: know that you're you're responsible for what you say and
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: your quotes are your quotes. I think airing doctor footage, though,
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: is an extraordinarily serious matter, and the ABC has acknowledged
• 31:11
  Speaker 10: this and taken the footage down. I would still say,
• 31:15
  Speaker 10: and I'm not scared of I'm not shy of criticizing
• 31:17
  Speaker 10: the ABC. I believe this must have been a mistake,
• 31:21
  Speaker 10: not something that was done intentionally. But the ABC owes
• 31:25
  Speaker 10: us all a complete and full explanation. If any other
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: powerful the ABC is an immensely powerful institution, and if
• 31:33
  Speaker 10: any other institution as powerful as this made this kind
• 31:37
  Speaker 10: of mistake with this kind of consequences, the ABC would
• 31:40
  Speaker 10: be number one in demanding accountability, transparency, full explanation. Now
• 31:47
  Speaker 10: we deserve all of us, and not least every Australian
• 31:50
  Speaker 10: who has ever worn a uniform, deserve a full and
• 31:54
  Speaker 10: absolutely transparent account of what happened and who was at fault,
• 31:58
  Speaker 10: who is to blame, and who is going to take responsibility.
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: This is a very grievous matter. You know, if our
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: newspaper did this or your program did this, there would
• 32:09
  Speaker 10: be very dire consequences. And you know, the ABC has
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: to show us all that it is acting with goodwill
• 32:16
  Speaker 10: and proper professional standards in this matter.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Greg Sheridan.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Camber now joining me Shadow
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Education Minister Sarah Henderson. We'll get to your portfolio in
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: a moment, Sarah. But you've worked at the ABC. How
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: concerned are you by these allegations? Because I have to
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: say I listened to Michelle Roland, the Minister for Communications today,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: she said she.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Would seek a briefing.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Now I was gobsmacked when our Wednesdays she hasn't already
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: had her briefing. Well, we haven't heard from the ABC chairman.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: We've had a pretty weak response where he dodged the
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: issue from the new CEO or the acting CEO of
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: the ABC. There should be an independent inquiry, surely, Peter
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: good Evening, there certainly must be a full investigation into
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: what has happened, because not only does it compromise the
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: trust that Australians must have in the ABC.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Let's not forget that Australians spend more than one billion
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: dollars on the ABC. It should be a news provider
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: of absolute repute. And what's happened in doctoring audio which
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: has reflected on Australian soldiers and in running the shocking
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: campaign against Heston Russell, falsely accusing him of being a
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: war criminal. I mean heads have got a role and
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I worked at the ABC, Peter as you know, for
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: nine years and.
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: Back then, which is more than twenty years ago.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: If you made mistakes like this, there would be a
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: very very urgent investigation and correction. But so far we've
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: heard from the head of Using Current Affairs, Justin Stevens,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: that has exonerated his reporter and team when we don't
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: even know the facts. Frankly, it's just completely unacceptable and
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Australians deserve much better, not wrong.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I tell you what I worked for, Ridget Austen Bridget
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Alston would have already had a chairman in on something
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: like this. Let's go to your pol Welliam International just
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: on Sarah.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: Sorry, is just going to say in question time today
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: I called on the government to condemn the ABC for
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: what it has done and it refused to do so.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: So seeking your briefing is absolutely pathetic and you're right,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: on our watch this would not happen. We would demand
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: the highest standards of journalism. We would demand that the
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: ABC be condemned for what it has done and correct
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: the record and own up to these shocking mistakes. So
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: the government's response from the minister is absolutely woeful.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Let's go to your portfolio.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: That information out there now that says a majority this
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: is in relation to international students, that a majority of
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: UNI diversity misconduct referrals come from international students in the
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: case of Sydney University and makes up nearly eighty percent
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: of their cases. Now, many of these cases are connected
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to cheating, a growing number of linked to the use
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: of artificial intelligence. There's fears the government's international student cap
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: will only make the problem worse as high quality students
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: will look to study overseas. Now we'll leave that second
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: point for the moment. We'll get to that because that's
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the whole debate about population. But with a real problem here.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: If because of the dollars involved in this cohort international students,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: are we just turning a blind eye to this misconduct.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Well, this is very concerning and at the group of
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: eight universities, so universities like Sydney and Melbourne where the
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: number of foreign students is very high, I do believe
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: that educational outcomes are being severely compromised when Australian students
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: are being asked to work with many students in a
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: class from or a tutorial setting where foreign students can
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: barely speak English. That's not good for anyone, and particularly
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: for Australian students. So I have called on the government
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: to get back to basics, to start to focus on
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: educational outcomes at universities, and this data is just for
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the evidence of that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: We need to ensure that we have.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: The highest standards in our universities and unfortunately are Peter.
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: The rivers of gold that are derived from foreign students.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: One point five billion dollars was earned by the University
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: of Sydney last year. That is compromising educational excellence at
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: our universities and that is not good enough.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Sarah, you'd be aware the stories as I am, that
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: foreign students never get failed anymore, that the cost they pay,
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: basically the guarantees them at to be a minimum of
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: past degree.
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: Look, I'm hearing some really concerning stories about this.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Peter.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Academics put under pressure to pass students, and I've heard
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: one terrible story where an academic went to fail a
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: number of students because they simply couldn't even write properly,
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: let alone past the subject, and that particular academic was
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: threatened with a racism investigation. Basically his whole livelihood was
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: under threat. And I'm hearing these stories and frankly, the
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: dollars are getting in the way of the appropriate educational
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: outcomes and that is really really concerning. So this is
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: simply not good enough. So apart from, of course, the
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: fact that this government has allowed foreign students to run
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: out of control in this country, we are also seeing
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: our educational outcomes. The so called best universities are really
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: compromise in the sort of education they are delivering.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just about out of time, but I know you've
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: got an update from Jillian Siegel, who is the Special
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: Envoy in relation to country anti Semitism. She reckons that
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the universes are in absolute denial.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, she gave very important evidence into our Senate inquiry
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: into the bill which is all about establishing a judicial
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: inquiry into anti Semitism at Australian universities.
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: She says the work.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Of the Vice Chancellor's is not good enough and she's
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: also condemned the government for its decision to commission the
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Australian Human Rights Commission to conduct a racism study. She
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: says Jewish Australians do not have faith in the Human
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Rights Commission and it's all the more reason to have
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: a proper judicial inquiry. So very important evidence from Jillian
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Siegel and we'll have a full hearing in Canberra on Friday.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Terrific. Thank you, Sarah.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: All right, after break, more red tape in construction, this
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: time over concerns regarding Aboriginal heritage building requirements. Wait till
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I tell you how much it costs to get people
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: into look at your foundations. Class were already one of
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: the lawfair capitals of the world. Laybor set to introduce
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: new laws to expand law fare.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: We'll get to that in a moment.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Col Richards, as always coming out at first my panel
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: shadow Environment Minister Senator Jonathan Dunniam and senior fellow at
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the Menzies Research Center Nick Cata, will start with his
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal heritage building requirements and this is causing major delays
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: in big projects.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: Price hikes. Two over cultural.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Heritage management plans. Now one developer has likened the registered
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Aboriginal parties that oversee all these heritage rules to the CFBU.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: In the way that they are wielding power, and I
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: quote like an unregulated monopoly.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Nick.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: I'm aware of cases where in this article they talk
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: about fifteen hundred dollars of day paid to these so
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: called archaeologists. Some of them are not trained archaeologists to
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: get into the foundations of the building site. If a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: piece of pot or anything is found, the site gets
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: shut down. It all has to be assessed as to
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: whether it's got aboriginal value. But I know of a
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: site in the city of Melbourne that was shut down
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: for three months. Why this went on and costs the
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: developer something like thirty to forty thousand dollars.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Well, it's worse than that here in Sydney. I spoke
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: to a developer here who spoke about twenty four and
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: thirty six months delays that they bank on around one
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: hundred thousand for this indigenous compliance on a forty acre
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: on a forty block subdivision. So that adds about three
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: or four percent to the cost of the house. It's
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: a serious business. There's no oversight of this. Basically, as
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: you say, many of these are just not trained archaeologists.
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: There's no way the developer can challenge them if they
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: pick up a bit of rock and say this is
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: from our ancestors.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's what it is.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: So it has got to be dealt with. It's got
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: to be dealt with. It's just another part of the
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: black tape, which we've now got on top of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: green tape and the red tape. But you know, in
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: this case, it's adding to the cost of housing. And
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: the developer I said I spoke to he said he
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: didn't dare think what the bill for say Western X
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: was that big tunnel that goes through Sydney, now that
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: the state government would have paid. So we're talking about millions,
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: tens of millions on the top of those projects, if
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: not more. So it's out of control. Something has to
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: be done to pull this back into control.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I recommend his research and I should look into the
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: background of some of these organizations because I think this
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: is a money go around. I think it's a way
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: to backdoor some of them. Some might be legitimate, but
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: some to me have the sense that it's just basically
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: an indigenous tax, the building tax paid for by taxpayers
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: and big developers. Help me understand, if you can, John O,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: because it is complex. I try to get to cross
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: it the other night here on the program, this battle
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: between environmentalists and the cattle industry about deforestation definitions and
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: how Australian farmers could get caught up in this craziness
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: at the European Union.
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: It is a serious battle, Peter, because frankly, what the
• 42:12
  Speaker 11: European Union doing is running this incredible green agenda and
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: it advantages their own farmers. Obviously they want to do
• 42:21
  Speaker 11: the best they can for their crowd, and I don't
• 42:23
  Speaker 11: blame them for that, but imposing these ridiculous rules on
• 42:26
  Speaker 11: countries like Australia is unfair in our government needs to
• 42:29
  Speaker 11: stand up to it. I mean, I've got here a
• 42:31
  Speaker 11: map of Tasmania. This map and your viewers will be
• 42:34
  Speaker 11: able to see the green on the map. Anything that
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: comes from inside that part of my state, which is
• 42:40
  Speaker 11: most of it, it would not be permitted to be
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: exported to the European Union. No beef, no timber. I
• 42:46
  Speaker 11: don't know many places in Tasmania that aren't forests where
• 42:49
  Speaker 11: trees come from. I mean, it's just madness and the
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: fact that we're allowing this to happen and the government
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: haven't actually taken a tough stand on it yet is ridiculous.
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: Deforestation is where you clear the trees and you don't
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: replant them. That does not happen in Australia, and we
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: need to stand up for the science and for the
• 43:05
  Speaker 11: farmers who actually abide by the science in our country.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It's any wonders Nick Nick that of our horticultural sector,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: this is the fruit and veggie growers reported by their
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: Peak Industry Group OZVEG thirty percent of saying this is
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a third we're going to leave the sector within a year,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: where about half of us worse off financially this year
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: than we were last year. And of course you know
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: we want to eat Australian produce. I don't want my produce,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: my apples to come from China. Part of this is
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the changes to backpacker requirements that they used to have
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: to do some regional work. But also it's all the
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: hits constantly from crazy climate policies, that's.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: Right, the margins. Of course, the very slim I was
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: up with a tomato grower near Bowing in Queensland last year,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: running a terrific operation but getting staff the cost of
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: running his electricity. He has to chill the call rooms
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: to keep the tomatoes and then trucking the things to
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Brisbane with the hold ups on the Bruce Highway. So
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: it's a two day journey when it should really be
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: done in just over a day. And all this to get,
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: you know, is what do we pay for tomatoes? Six
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: dollars a kilo. I'm not surprised these people are struggling
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: big time, all the costs labeled upon the many of
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: which stem from the decisions of this government of it electucity,
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: diesel wages, you know, and they're doing a way of
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: backpackers and you know, getting rid of casual work. So
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: it's not surprising that they're struggling. And because it's quite serious, Peter.
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: We all need our vegues, don't we. We're going to
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: be stuck without them.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think if that bloke I interviewed on
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: the program, he grows melons in Northern Northern Territory area,
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: somewhere just outside of dal and I suspect towards Karanaraway.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: He came all the way down to camera John at
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: your recent rally about farmers and renewable energy and all
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the other stuff that's hitting them, and the Prime Minister
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even meet with him. No one from labor would
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: meet with him right across the country to tell the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Parliament how tough it was. And you can see these stats,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and no one gave him the time of day other
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: than your side of politics. Hey, just quickly talk to
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: me about these respect at work laws. This is what
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Labour's bringing in the word on the street is it
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: will create an explosion in class actions. And anyone who
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: brings forward a class action that's say a worker does
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: and it's vexatious, so it's got no merit. The poor
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: old employer has to contest it in the court. But
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: even if they were to win, they don't get their
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: cost covered. So this will just be more sort of
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: sit down, money go away, money paid, won't it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: Absolutely, there's that component of it, the fact that we're
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: now setting up a business model for the bottom feeders
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: in the legal sector who want to go out and
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: look for these people who want to sign up for
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: class acts with little to no prospect of success and
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: penalize all.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Labor loving firms who don't. Forget tell my people at home,
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: all labor loving dans, many of them that donate back
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: to the Labor Party.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: They go one way.
• 46:14
  Speaker 11: And the worst part of this is, as other commentators
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: have pointed out, this clogs up the legal system. You've
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: got women fleeing domestic violence who want justice, people who've
• 46:22
  Speaker 11: been subject to heinous crimes, but instead, because of Labour's
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: law respect at work, we're going to see the courts
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: clogged up more than they already are, denying people who
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: deserve justice from getting.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: It just quickly.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: Glasgow, they're going to do the common games, Nick, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: poor of Victorian taxpayers and baying for it.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I think they'll do it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Room now it's all going, Yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: The Glasgow do it worked very well. That's the good news.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: But I mean, what a terrible, terrible decision by the
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: Andrews government. I mean, we've just seen the resounding revival
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: of interest in Australian athletics at the Olympics. What a
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: big event it would have been if the Dan Andrews
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: government had have pulled it off. But there's not much
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: they're able to pull off at all. So it's a
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: oroughway for the money.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: Jence, Thank you see you next week. White I can
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: break kel Richards.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Welcome back.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Well, Happy Wednesday to you, mister Richards. Let's bring you
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: straight in because you've got a good list tonight. Susan
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: wants to know the origins of mind your p's and q's.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: What are the peas down for all the q's, Danny.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: A lot of people would like to know that.
• 47:35
  Speaker 12: If you asked an academic, they would say, in their
• 47:37
  Speaker 12: cautious academic way, well, we really don't know about four
• 47:41
  Speaker 12: or five stories. I mean, was it keeping track of
• 47:43
  Speaker 12: pintes and quartz in your bar bill?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 47:46
  Speaker 12: I think the one that persuades me it is accurate
• 47:49
  Speaker 12: is it comes from the printing trade, from the days
• 47:51
  Speaker 12: of printing with typesetting with metal type, and of course
• 47:55
  Speaker 12: the metal type was reversed so it would turn out
• 47:57
  Speaker 12: the right wayment it was inked and put on the paper.
• 48:00
  Speaker 12: Lowercase P looked like a lowercase Q, and vice versa.
• 48:04
  Speaker 12: Ah and a prenduce had to be told mind your
• 48:07
  Speaker 12: p's and ques. Now, they could easily have been told,
• 48:09
  Speaker 12: mind you bees and d's, because with lower coast bees
• 48:12
  Speaker 12: and d's the same thing happens.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: But they settled on the p's and q's.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: I think that could be it, because you wouldn't have
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: used the p's and q's as often as you use
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: the b's and the d's let me know which way
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: they went, But the p's and q's might throw you. Hey,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: cannib worms and Pandora's Box, opening a can of worms,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: opening Pandora's Box.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: That they mean the same thing, don't.
• 48:34
  Speaker 12: They They mean related things. Opening a can of worms
• 48:39
  Speaker 12: means opening something you're unlikely to be able to control.
• 48:41
  Speaker 12: Opening Pandora's Box means you're opening something in your don't
• 48:45
  Speaker 12: know what's going to come out. Can of worms is
• 48:47
  Speaker 12: fairly recent, from nineteen sixty two, so it's the idea
• 48:50
  Speaker 12: of if you open up a can, it's just a
• 48:52
  Speaker 12: figurative image and there are these ryle writhing mess and
• 48:56
  Speaker 12: massive worms, and you don't know what. You've got no control.
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: Pandora's goes back to Greek mythology. The box contained all
• 49:03
  Speaker 12: of the ills in the world, and Pandora, through insatiable curiosity,
• 49:07
  Speaker 12: having been warned, whatever you do, Pandora, don't open the box.
• 49:10
  Speaker 12: Open the box, and all the ills in the world
• 49:14
  Speaker 12: suddenly escaped and spread around the globe. So if you
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: open Pandora's box, you'll let out something. You don't know
• 49:20
  Speaker 12: what it's going to be, but it won't be good.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: We've all been Pandora and we've been told not to
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: do something.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: We can't help myself.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Hey, I say this one of when someone says will
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: you come here or there, I'll say I'll be there
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: with bells on. Carol wants to know where's that expression
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: come from?
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: Late eighten hundreds, before automobiles. You're invited to a special event,
• 49:40
  Speaker 12: so you went in your best carriage, and you had
• 49:42
  Speaker 12: your best horse pull the carriage with a special harness
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: on it, and of course that harness had bells on.
• 49:49
  Speaker 12: So if you're accepting the invitation, I'm going there in
• 49:52
  Speaker 12: the special carriage.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I'll come with bells on. Aha.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: And that's why sometimes at the end they'd say carriages
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: coming at eleven o'clock.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I'll go twelve o'clock. Yes, that you.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I'm back to head out the front door. Cal Thanks
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: to you next week.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: They're terrific. Send us your words to another good less
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: for you next week. That's it for me. Andrew's up next.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: See you tomorrow night.