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Fearless Town Hall Part 1 of 2- Minister Max Lucado · Max Lucado Daily Sermons

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome. I am so glad that you've joined
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Speaker 1: us for the Fearless Town Hall. We're so excited to
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Speaker 1: be here tonight to have a conversation, a conversation about
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Speaker 1: something very important. It's an emotional An emotion that seems
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Speaker 1: to be dominating the emotional psyche of our globe right now.
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Speaker 1: That emotion is fear.
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Speaker 2: And so it's time to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: And not just talk about how it's going to control us,
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Speaker 1: but how we're going to gain control over it. And
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Speaker 1: I can't think of anybody I'd rather have a conversation
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Speaker 1: with than Max Lucado. Max, as you know, is a
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Speaker 1: long-time pastor. He's been at the Oak Hills Church for
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Speaker 1: more than 20 years. In fact, tonight we're coming to
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Speaker 1: you from the Oak Hills Church in the beautiful city
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Speaker 1: of San Antonio in the great state of Texas. You
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Speaker 1: also know Max is a best-selling author. He has over
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Speaker 1: 65 million books in print. He's written books for adults, children,
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Speaker 1: and Bible studies. So he's known for his words of
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Speaker 1: encouragement and his messages of hope. So tonight, will you
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Speaker 1: help me welcome Max Lucado.
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Speaker 2: When I was six years old, my dad let me
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Speaker 2: stay up with my two older sisters and watch the
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Speaker 2: movie Wolfman. Boy, did he live to regret that decision.
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Speaker 2: Because I became convinced that Wolfman lived behind our television.
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Speaker 2: Right there in our living room, I believe that Wolfman
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Speaker 2: made his home. And that fact proved problematic. Because in
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Speaker 2: order for me to go from my bedroom into the kitchen,
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Speaker 2: guess where I had to go? Right past Wolfman! And
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Speaker 2: I would awaken in the middle of the night as
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Speaker 2: I was prone to... My dad had trained me to
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Speaker 2: go get my own glass of water, not to wake
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Speaker 2: him up. I remember one night that I took a
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Speaker 2: step into the living room and I could hear Wolfman growl.
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Speaker 2: And I knew that he was just behind the television
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Speaker 2: set waiting for his midnight snack of six-year-old, freckled-faced, red-headed boy.
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Speaker 2: And I... froze. My little heart was pounding inside my chest.
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Speaker 2: So what could I do? But I went into my
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Speaker 2: dad's bedroom and I woke him up and he opened
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Speaker 2: one eye and said, what's wrong? And I reminded him
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Speaker 2: about Wolfman who lived in our living room. And he
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Speaker 2: let out a sigh. He said, all right. And he
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Speaker 2: climbed up out of bed and he started walking toward
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Speaker 2: the living room. And I grabbed his t-shirt and I
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Speaker 2: followed him right past the lair, the hangout of Wolfman.
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Speaker 2: And you know what? My dad didn't flinch. He didn't
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Speaker 2: step back. He didn't stiffen up. He wasn't even afraid.
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Speaker 2: And I can remember drinking that glass of water, looking
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Speaker 2: up at him thinking, what kind of man is this?
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Speaker 2: The disciples asked a question like that on the Sea
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Speaker 2: of Galilee. That Jesus, having just slept through a storm,
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Speaker 2: they woke him up. He asked them, now why are
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Speaker 2: you afraid? And then he spoke to the storm. And
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Speaker 2: the stormy sea became a glassy lake. And they looked
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Speaker 2: at him and said, what kind of man is this?
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Speaker 2: That even the winds and the seas obey him. I
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Speaker 2: love this discussion about fear because I really believe that
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Speaker 2: Jesus wants us to lead lives in which we fear less.
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Speaker 2: There is a place for appropriate fear to alarm us
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Speaker 2: to impending danger. But it's the maltreatment of fear, the
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Speaker 2: inappropriate treatment of fear that does damage to us. And
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Speaker 2: could it be that the Same outlook that my father
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Speaker 2: had toward that wolf man is the outlook that your
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Speaker 2: heavenly father has toward fears that right now are keeping
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Speaker 2: you awake. And could it be that in this conversation
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Speaker 2: about fear that you'll find some courage? That's our prayer.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Max. Tonight, we're going to have live questions from
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Speaker 1: the audience. We're going to have Twitter questions, email questions,
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Speaker 1: Facebook questions. It's going to be a wonderful evening. In fact,
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Speaker 1: we've had several hundred questions submitted from around the world
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Speaker 1: for tonight's town hall, so we're excited about it. To
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Speaker 1: start us off, sir, tell us your name and where
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Speaker 1: you're from.
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Speaker 3: My name is Ernest, and I'm from Los Angeles, California.
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Speaker 3: My question is, on a daily basis, we're bombarded by
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Speaker 3: the media, the headlines, with the worst-case scenarios, such as illness, war, terrorism,
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Speaker 3: and financial collapse. And these are very real concerns. What
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Speaker 3: type of advice would you give to us?
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Speaker 2: These are very real concerns. These questions of worst case scenarios.
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Speaker 2: And they're everywhere, aren't they? I think the advice here
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Speaker 2: is that Jesus told us this would happen. On the
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Speaker 2: week before his crucifixion, he had an honest heart-to-heart talk
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Speaker 2: with his disciples. And he said, in the days, years,
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Speaker 2: centuries ahead, you will hear of wars and rumors of wars.
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Speaker 2: There will be earthquakes. There will be apostasy. There will
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Speaker 2: be a massive turning around. He said, the love of
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Speaker 2: many will turn cold. But then he said, see to
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Speaker 2: it that you are not alarmed. It's one of his
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Speaker 2: do not be afraid statements. See to it that you
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Speaker 2: are not alarmed or not overcome by fear. And the
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Speaker 2: word here is a unique word. Jesus only uses it
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Speaker 2: one time when he talks about fear. And he does
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Speaker 2: in the case of these calamities, in the case of
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Speaker 2: these natural disasters. He says, see to it that you
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Speaker 2: are not alarmed. In the best translation, I think, would
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Speaker 2: read something like this. See to it that you don't
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Speaker 2: freak out. Don't freak out. It's going to happen. But
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Speaker 2: these things must happen, he says. And then the end
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Speaker 2: will come. So, we don't go to either extreme. One
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Speaker 2: extreme is the chicken little who runs around saying... The
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Speaker 2: sky is falling. The sky is falling. The sky is falling.
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Speaker 2: The sky is falling. We don't freak out. But nor
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Speaker 2: do we take the approach of Pollyanna. Pollyanna is the
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Speaker 2: person who says, oh, nothing bad is happening. Nothing bad
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Speaker 2: is happening. Nothing bad is happening. Nothing bad is happening.
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Speaker 2: It's all blue. It's all good. It's not blue. It's
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Speaker 2: not good. This world stinks sometimes. There's cancer in this world.
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Speaker 2: There's death in this world. There's There's sadness in this world.
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Speaker 2: There are orphans in this world. There's hunger in this world.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes you're going to pray for things and the
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Speaker 2: prayer's not going to be answered in the way you
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Speaker 2: want it. And it's hard to be a Pollyanna when
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Speaker 2: there's thunderstorms. But somewhere in between Chicken Little and Pollyanna
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Speaker 2: is the sobered, honest disciple of Christ who doesn't freak
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Speaker 2: out at the presence of problems. And doesn't lose faith
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Speaker 2: when problems come. They know that all of these problems
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Speaker 2: are a natural unfolding of events. Somewhat like birth pains,
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Speaker 2: Jesus said, in that same teaching. He said, these are
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Speaker 2: birth pains. Now, I'm not going to begin to suggest
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Speaker 2: I know what birth pains are like. But I do
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Speaker 2: know that birth pains signal the onset of the final push. Right? Right? Mothers,
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Speaker 2: you don't go through nine months of birth pains, right?
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Speaker 2: And so even though they're painful, aren't they a good signal?
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Speaker 2: Some crowning is about to happen. And that's what this
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Speaker 2: push that we're in right now in history is suggesting.
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Speaker 2: We're almost there, he says, and then the end will come.
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Speaker 2: So don't freak out.
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Speaker 4: Susan?
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Speaker 1: This comes to us from Anna in London, England. And
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Speaker 1: this is representative of many questions, Max. This one came
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Speaker 1: in several times. How can I get free of the
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Speaker 1: fear that God might not love me? I'm always afraid
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Speaker 1: that I'm not perfect enough or I don't do enough
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Speaker 1: or pray enough or care enough.
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Speaker 2: I really believe that the Amazon River out of which
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Speaker 2: all other fears flow is this one. And that is
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Speaker 2: the fear that I don't matter to God. And because
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Speaker 2: I don't matter to God I don't matter to anyone else.
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Speaker 2: That my life has no purpose. That I'm nothing more
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Speaker 2: than a dash between two dates on a cemetery tombstone.
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Speaker 2: That's it. We fear nothingness. We fear evaporation. We fear
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Speaker 2: coming and going and no one knowing. It's this fear
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Speaker 2: that we have that we don't matter much. And this
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Speaker 2: fear that we don't matter, this fear of insignificance, causes
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Speaker 2: us to do some crazy things. Causes us to spend
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Speaker 2: half a month's salary on a pair of designer jeans.
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Speaker 2: Just so that we'll have some Italian name on our
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Speaker 2: rear end. And we'll feel really special for a while.
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Speaker 2: And then those Italian jeans will go from tight to
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Speaker 2: baggy or from low cut to high rise. And there
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Speaker 2: we're stuck with fancy pair of jeans and not much money.
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Speaker 2: And we're trying to keep up. What things have you
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Speaker 2: and I done in our lives that trying to state
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Speaker 2: to everybody that we see, hey, I matter. I matter.
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Speaker 2: I'm worth something. But the big message of Jesus in
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Speaker 2: one of his do not fear statements is, don't be afraid.
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Speaker 2: You are worth more than all the sparrows. The very
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Speaker 2: hairs of your head are numbered. Raise your hand if
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Speaker 2: you know how many hairs you have. God's hand in
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Speaker 2: heaven just went up. That's how much you matter to him.
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Speaker 2: He keeps a running tally on the number of hairs
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Speaker 2: you have. And some of us, that tally is changing
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Speaker 2: from day to day. He knows more about you than
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Speaker 2: you know about you. You're worth more than a sparrow.
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Speaker 2: And he says that in the context of not a
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Speaker 2: sparrow falls to the ground and your father doesn't know it.
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Speaker 2: And you're worth more than a sparrow, he says. So
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Speaker 2: how can you know that you matter? I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: how you can know that you matter. You look at
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Speaker 2: the story of God who became a human being and
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Speaker 2: walked on the earth. He became one of us because
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Speaker 2: he loves us. And this perfect love that he knew
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Speaker 2: came not just to save us from our sins and
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Speaker 2: defeat our death, but to deliver us from this sense of,
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Speaker 2: I don't have any purpose. I don't have any meaning.
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Speaker 2: I don't have any value. Because when he died on
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Speaker 2: the cross, he announced your value. That you're worth the
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Speaker 2: very precious blood of Christ. I think that's something that's
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Speaker 2: worth looking in the mirror and saying, you know, I
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Speaker 2: guess I do matter something. Because I matter to God.
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Speaker 4: Susan?
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Speaker 1: This comes from Dan in Ontario, Canada. And Dan says,
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Speaker 1: he works in manufacturing, a sector that has suffered in
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Speaker 1: our economic downturn. And I fear losing my job every day.
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Speaker 1: How can I fear less in this situation?
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Speaker 2: How do we have courage in a changing economy? How
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Speaker 2: do we have courage when they're laying people off at work?
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Speaker 2: How do we have courage when pink slips are falling
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Speaker 2: out of the sky and the news reports are about
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Speaker 2: a plunging economy? Well, Scripture is pretty clear on this
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Speaker 2: one too. This time it's the Apostle Paul who said,
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Speaker 2: to all of us, do not put your hope in riches,
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Speaker 2: which are so uncertain. Now, some of you just tuned
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Speaker 2: out and you said, okay, that's not me because I
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Speaker 2: don't have any riches. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you do.
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Speaker 2: If you make more than a dollar a day, you
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Speaker 2: make more than about 50% of the people in the world.
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Speaker 2: So you're already in the top half. So, yeah, you do.
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Speaker 2: So the instruction then to all of us is don't
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Speaker 2: put your hope in riches. Because if you put your
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Speaker 2: hope in riches, you'll end up living in fear. Why?
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Speaker 2: Because riches are so uncertain. In the last 50 years,
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Speaker 2: there have been 10 recessions in the worldwide economy. Losing
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Speaker 2: and plunging the economy into a point where billions of
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Speaker 2: dollars was lost, but then eventually regained, but then lost.
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Speaker 2: And the promise of Scripture is the same, or the
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Speaker 2: teaching of Scripture is the same. When it comes to money,
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Speaker 2: let's don't trust it. So what do we do? Well,
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Speaker 2: we trust in our Heavenly Father. We obey what Scripture
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Speaker 2: says about money. We're thrifty. We tithe, we give 10%
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Speaker 2: of what we earn. We stay out of debt like
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Speaker 2: the plague. We avoided every chance that we get. We
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Speaker 2: don't spend money that we have not yet earned. We
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Speaker 2: just put on common sense principles. And then we pray.
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Speaker 2: And then we pray. And in tough times, we say, Lord,
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Speaker 2: guide me through this. Boy, you've been faithful all my life.
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Speaker 2: I know you'll be faithful this time. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: it's easy. I'm really not. And I know probably some
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Speaker 2: people are hearing this and saying, boy, I wish it
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Speaker 2: were that easy. But listen, financial tough times are just
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Speaker 2: like physical tough times. They can be used by God
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Speaker 2: to deepen our faith. So don't bail out on God
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Speaker 2: right now. Don't bail out on him. Keep praying. Keep trusting.
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Speaker 2: Seek financial counsel. Get your financial house in order as
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Speaker 2: much as you can. And it's going to turn out
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Speaker 2: all right.
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Speaker 1: Tell us your name and where you're from.
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Speaker 2: My name's Gail.
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Speaker 1: I'm from San Antonio. Pastor Max, can fear ever be
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Speaker 1: a good thing?
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Speaker 2: The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
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Speaker 2: So fear is a good thing when it's a fear
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Speaker 2: of God. Now, in Scripture, fear of God really means
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Speaker 2: a reverence of God. Not the kind of fear where
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Speaker 2: we're running and hiding from God, but a fear of
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Speaker 2: respect and of awe. And we learn this because of
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Speaker 2: the time that Jesus took Peter, James, and John up
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Speaker 2: on the Mount of Transfiguration. It's a great story. And
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Speaker 2: Jesus is transfigured before them. In other words, light comes.
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Speaker 2: He becomes kind of like a spiritual bonfire. He illuminates
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Speaker 2: in front of them. And Moses and Elijah come, and
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Speaker 2: they have a conversation with him. And Peter is so
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Speaker 2: overwhelmed by what he sees, he says, well, we need
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Speaker 2: to build some kind of tabernacle and honor this moment
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Speaker 2: one for you one for you and one for you
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Speaker 2: Jesus and God speaks out of the heavens and says
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Speaker 2: oh no no no this is my beloved son in
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Speaker 2: whom I am well pleased hear ye him because you
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Speaker 2: see the mistake that Peter was making is that he
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Speaker 2: was lumping Jesus in with Peter and Elijah he was
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Speaker 2: saying that Jesus is just a he's a great person
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Speaker 2: worthy of a tabernacle his own but he's one of
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Speaker 2: three And God is saying, oh no, Jesus shares the
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Speaker 2: stage with no one. No one. He's either everything or nothing.
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Speaker 2: And so that's when Peter fell on his face and
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Speaker 2: he was greatly afraid. And so did James and so
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Speaker 2: did John. And that kind of fear is good. They
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Speaker 2: needed to know that Jesus was a great big God.
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Speaker 2: You know why? Because they were about to face some
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Speaker 2: great big challenges. They were about to be persecuted for
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Speaker 2: their faith. They were about to be threatened by the
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Speaker 2: Roman government. They were about to travel around the world
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Speaker 2: on behalf of Christ. They needed to know how big
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Speaker 2: Jesus was, that he is over and higher than anyone else.
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Speaker 2: And so God allowed that fear to take root in
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Speaker 2: their heart. And I guess a good question for you
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Speaker 2: and me would be, do we fear Jesus? Or do
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Speaker 2: we just think, well, he is, he's a good man. Boy,
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Speaker 2: he had some good things to say. Hey, that won't
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Speaker 2: cut it. Because if your fear of Jesus is not great,
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Speaker 2: your fears in life will be. But if your fear
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Speaker 2: of Jesus is great, in other words, your respect of
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Speaker 2: Jesus is great, then your fears will diminish. But listen,
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Speaker 2: you've got cancer cells. You've got economy issues. You've got
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Speaker 2: marital challenges. You've got big problems. So you need a
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Speaker 2: big God. So the bigger your understanding of God is,
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Speaker 2: and it can never be too big, then the greater
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Speaker 2: your courage will be. And that's the kind of reverence
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Speaker 2: that is the beginning of all wisdom.
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Speaker 1: Okay? Wow, incredible questions tonight. And I would love to
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Speaker 1: just stay for a lot longer and hear more wonderful questions.
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Speaker 1: But as our final question, I want to be sure
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Speaker 1: to get this one in because, honestly, this is representative
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Speaker 1: of hundreds of questions. So many people ask some form
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Speaker 1: of this. And this comes through Facebook from Betty in Australia.
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Speaker 1: I'm so afraid of thinking all this time I was
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Speaker 1: going to heaven. And then ending up somewhere else. How
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Speaker 1: can I be sure that my kids and I will
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Speaker 1: get to heaven?
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Speaker 2: No more important question than that, is there? And God
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Speaker 2: loves you too much to leave you living in the
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Speaker 2: shadow of a doubt. It is possible for you to
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Speaker 2: pillow your head tonight with absolute certainty that if you
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Speaker 2: do not wake up on this earth, you will awaken
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Speaker 2: in heaven. And here's how you can know. Because you
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Speaker 2: deposit your life in the hands of Jesus Christ. As
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Speaker 2: your Savior. Not just as a moral teacher. Not just
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Speaker 2: as a great leader. Not just as a revolutionary. But
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Speaker 2: that you deposit your soul. In the hands of Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 2: As your Savior. What does that mean? That means that
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Speaker 2: when Jesus died on the cross. He became your Savior.
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Speaker 2: he saved you from your sins he saved you from
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Speaker 2: your spirit of rebellion from your anger from your contrariness
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Speaker 2: all those times whether by word or deed you've told
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Speaker 2: god i know more than you do and you've done
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Speaker 2: what you knew you shouldn't have done that's called sin
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Speaker 2: on the cross jesus paid the price he became our
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Speaker 2: substitute He paid the price, an adequate and sufficient price,
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Speaker 2: for every sin that's ever been committed by any person
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Speaker 2: since the beginning of time. Because He Himself never sinned.
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Speaker 2: And so in the great economy and kindness of God,
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Speaker 2: God took all of our sins and placed them on
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Speaker 2: Christ and punished our sins there. So our sins were
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Speaker 2: punished on Jesus Christ. And He died the death that
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Speaker 2: we deserve to die. He took our place. He took
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Speaker 2: your place. But you know, just because he offers you
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Speaker 2: a gift doesn't mean you've accepted it, does it? He
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Speaker 2: offers you this gift of salvation. You accept it. And
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Speaker 2: once you accept it by faith, then you can be
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Speaker 2: certain of this. You may not know what changes are coming.
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Speaker 2: And you may not know what the future holds on
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Speaker 2: this earth. But you can know this, that in heaven,
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Speaker 2: God writes your name in a book. He calls it
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Speaker 2: the book of life, not the book of death. Because
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Speaker 2: you have been transferred from death into life, from darkness
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Speaker 2: into light. So of all the fears that you live with,
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Speaker 2: there's one that you don't have to live with. And
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Speaker 2: that is the fear of eternity. Because God loves you
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Speaker 2: too much to leave you living in the shadow of doubt.
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Speaker 2: Put your trust in Him. Just trust Him as your Savior.
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Speaker 2: And what He did on that wonderful Easter weekend, He
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Speaker 2: will do for you. He will call you out of
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Speaker 2: the grave. And you will enjoy an eternity that has
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Speaker 2: no fear. That's a pretty good promise, isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Max, thank you. As we close tonight, do you have
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Speaker 1: just a word of advice or some action steps that
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Speaker 1: you would want us to take as we try to
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Speaker 1: battle fear?
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Speaker 2: I'm wanting to recruit an army of courage. And I'm
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Speaker 2: wanting to find some people who are willing to say,
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Speaker 2: you know, enough of this fear. Enough of this fear.
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Speaker 2: I just realized that fear is an option. all right,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to start bidding farewell to fear. It's taken
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Speaker 2: enough joy, taken enough sleep, taken enough peace, taken enough happiness,
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Speaker 2: no more. And I'm going to put a stake in
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Speaker 2: the ground. So here's what I want you to do.
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Speaker 2: I want you to go to maxlocato.com and I want
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Speaker 2: you to put a stake in the ground. What does
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Speaker 2: that mean? That means you're going to sign up to
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Speaker 2: be a part of the army of courage. Just put
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Speaker 2: your name there. Just so we'll all know we're in
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Speaker 2: this thing together. Nobody's going to send you anything or
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Speaker 2: sell you anything. We're just going to get all our
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Speaker 2: names on there, and then we'll all read those names,
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Speaker 2: and we'll say, you look at all these people all
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Speaker 2: over the world, from Australia to London to Switzerland to
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Speaker 2: San Antonio, who are declaring war on fear. I'm a
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Speaker 2: part of that army of courage. And we'll pray for
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Speaker 2: each other. We may not know each other's stories, but
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Speaker 2: we'll see the names, and we'll just read over those
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Speaker 2: thousands of names and say, Lord, wherever that person is today,
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Speaker 2: Give them some courage and grant me some courage too.
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Speaker 2: You want to enlist? I hope you will. Let's see
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Speaker 2: if we can declare war on fear. Let's see if
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Speaker 2: we can trust more in fearless.
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Speaker 1: Amen.
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Speaker 2: You don't have.
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Speaker 4: To be near me.
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Speaker 5: You don't have to stay close. As long as you're
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Speaker 5: somewhere out there, that's enough for me.
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Speaker 4: I don't need to hold you near me.
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Speaker 5: Don't need promises to keep. Just the thought that you
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Speaker 5: are breathing Somewhere in this world I see Even if
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Speaker 5: I'm not beside you Even if you never know There's
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Speaker 5: a quiet kind of comfort Just in knowing you still
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Speaker 5: glow I don't need forever I just need you to exist.
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Speaker 4: You don't have to stay with me.
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Speaker 5: You don't have to feel the same.
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Speaker 6: Just as long as you're still out there.
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Speaker 5: Calling softly through my days.
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Speaker 1: You don't have.
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Speaker 2: To look my way.
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Speaker 5: You don't have to be my home. It's enough to
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Speaker 5: know you're living in a world I'm not alone. I
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Speaker 5: won't chase you through the distance. Won't disturb your chosen life.
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Speaker 5: I'll just keep you in my silence like a star
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Speaker 5: that shines at night. Through the dark and through the blue.
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Speaker 6: I still think of you. You don't have to be
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Speaker 6: my home.
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Speaker 4: It's enough to know you're living in a world.
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Speaker 5: I'm not alone. I don't need to be your light
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Speaker 5: I don't need to cross your mind All I need
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Speaker 5: is just the truth That you're somewhere Still alive Still alive.
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Speaker 4: You don't have to stay with me You don't have
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Speaker 4: to feel the same Just as long as you're still
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Speaker 4: out there Calling softly through my days You don't have
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Speaker 4: to look my way.
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Speaker 5: You don't have to be my home It's enough to
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Speaker 5: know you're living In a world I'm not alone