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1083 - BONUS: The Cult of The Real Housewife (TLC) with Keisha · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to this bonus episode of Pink Shade.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: It is a recap of the culture of the Real Housewife. Now,
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  Speaker 1: this is a show airing on TLC January first, eight pm,
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: and then the next day it'll be on Discovery. If
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: you're hearing this for the first time, we're doing it
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  Speaker 1: on Prime. But then on January eight I'm going to
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: be putting this on the free feed, so you'll have
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: plenty of time to watch it. Ke should and I
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: have watched it, and we are here to discuss.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I did not appreciate that there was other
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  Speaker 2: people who got screeners of this show and they're already
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: talking about it on TikTok.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: Well they're allowed to. So when they send the screeners,
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: Oh would they send the screeners? They'll tell you as
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  Speaker 1: of the twenty ninth, we're recording this. As of the
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: twenty ninth, at like ten pm, you're allowed to talk.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: They sent and you should have gotten it as well.
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  Speaker 1: They sent me like four clips that we would be
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: allowed to post, So I posted one.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you know that. I know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they put an embargo on talking about it up
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  Speaker 1: to some point, but they say, like, you can't say spoilers.
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  Speaker 1: You can only say these certain things, so you can
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  Speaker 1: talk about what you saw, Okay, but it's like you can't.
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  Speaker 1: They send you the four clips you can use, right,
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  Speaker 1: so if you try to record off your TV something juicy,
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  Speaker 1: you know your watermark is all the way across the middle.
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  Speaker 3: Yes it is, yeah, right, right right.
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  Speaker 1: That's just some inside baseball guys. But I do have
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  Speaker 1: twenty three pages of notes, which is a lot.
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  Speaker 3: I know. I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't mean to take that many, but because I
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  Speaker 1: interviewed the director and one.
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  Speaker 4: Of the producers, I just.
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  Speaker 1: Took all these notes and that actually sort of helps
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  Speaker 1: me when I'm watching it, even though even if I
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  Speaker 1: don't even like go back to it, because it helps
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  Speaker 1: me kind of remembers people's names, specifically people's names. So
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: episode one of this is called It's Cult Now. We
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: start off talking about Mary being on Real House of
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and being one of the richest housewives,
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  Speaker 1: which is still unclear.
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  Speaker 2: How we just don't, I mean we after this documentary.
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  Speaker 3: We still one in one is still.
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  Speaker 2: Equaling equaling three. We don't understand where the money is
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  Speaker 2: coming from.
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  Speaker 1: So when I knows, no one knows, and when I
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  Speaker 1: had the producer and the director on and when we
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  Speaker 1: were not recording, I asked them what their thoughts on,
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  Speaker 1: like where is the money? And they said that there
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  Speaker 1: is like an active lawsuit that's going through the system,
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  Speaker 1: but because it wasn't at a point in the system
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  Speaker 1: that they could talk about it. But there are like
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  Speaker 1: members of the church and things that are either soon
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  Speaker 1: the church or suing Mary and Robert, but it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: not a point in the legal system where they can
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  Speaker 1: include it in the documentary because it's like there's no
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  Speaker 1: result to it, so there's no point, but there is
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  Speaker 1: probably you know, people my understanding, it's like the whole
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  Speaker 1: you made me give you the mortgage to my house
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  Speaker 1: or you they put these people in financial ruin allegedly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I get it, but I don't get it
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  Speaker 2: because it's not like they held a gun to the
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  Speaker 2: person's head.
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  Speaker 3: It said sign over all this money to.
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  Speaker 1: Us, right, But when you're in a cult, that's you
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  Speaker 1: don't need a gun hell to your head. You'll just
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  Speaker 1: do what they said, because you know, like they say
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  Speaker 1: a lot on this thing, like any cult. And I
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: loved the cult expert expert. Yeah, like any cult. You'll
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  Speaker 1: do what you need to do for the leader because
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  Speaker 1: you think that's how you're getting into heaven.
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  Speaker 3: It's not.
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  Speaker 1: It is about the leader, but in your mind, the
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  Speaker 1: leader is the way to heaven, like in scientology like
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  Speaker 1: David Muscavage and being at that high level of scientology
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  Speaker 1: is you are going to live a billionaeres and you're
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  Speaker 1: going to save the planet. And you know, listen, at
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  Speaker 1: this point in my life, I don't know how anybody
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  Speaker 1: could get sucked into a cult. There's so much information
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  Speaker 1: out there about I do cult.
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  Speaker 2: I just figure people who become members of a cult
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  Speaker 2: are just lost souls looking for somewhere to look at
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, because there's.
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  Speaker 2: No way I'm signing over any I don't even like
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  Speaker 2: share money with my husband.
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  Speaker 3: You think I'm about to give it to a cult leader?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: But you know it's a lot of you think this
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  Speaker 1: could never happen to you, but it could happen to you.
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  Speaker 1: And a lot of these things are very very slow, right,
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  Speaker 1: And so we get some cuts of up an atom.
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  Speaker 1: So that's Adam featured heavily and Charrelle's World, who you
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  Speaker 1: and I have followed for a long time and a
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  Speaker 1: journalist named Shy round Tree now shy in round Tree
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  Speaker 1: is the woman who originally wrote this article for Daily
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  Speaker 1: Beasts or Vulture or something.
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  Speaker 3: It'll maybe come up later. I think it a Daily Beast.
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  Speaker 1: But she's sort of the one that was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this new Housewives on and she's like a minister, like
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  Speaker 1: what and started really looking into it.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing about when Mary came on the show.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're used to there's kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: formula to all the housewives. They've got a rich husband
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  Speaker 2: or they are a business owner or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: We have never had where.
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  Speaker 2: Someone is a pastor, right, he doesn't go with the
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  Speaker 2: housewives formula at all. It's kind of like, say, what,
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  Speaker 2: now a pastor and she's super rich, which she is
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  Speaker 2: fascinating because it goes to the megachurch situation. Yes, the
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  Speaker 2: pastors who are millionaires. And it's just like, is that
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  Speaker 2: how it's supposed to be?
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's there's that Instagram account called Preachers and Sneakers
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  Speaker 1: and it's all about like the flash she closed and
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  Speaker 1: how much everything costs. You see, it was like megachurch
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  Speaker 1: ministers of like, oh, these are tennisues that cost two
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 4: You know, this is a ten thousand dollars suit.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, wait a minute, you're like, my little
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  Speaker 1: Methodist preachers like look homeless half the time, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And they have real jobs, they have real nine to
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  Speaker 2: five jobs, and along with being a pastor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah sometimes yeah, sometimes a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of the times they do because they're not making
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  Speaker 2: enough money.
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  Speaker 3: From the church, you know, yeah, but not in this case.
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  Speaker 1: We see her preaching, you know, and we see all
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  Speaker 1: these clips of people saying that they just love Mary.
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  Speaker 1: They think she's she's quirky, she's funny. People love her,
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  Speaker 1: and she is quirky.
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  Speaker 3: And she is funny.
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  Speaker 1: And then we come to the question of how can
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  Speaker 1: as a pastor, how does she afford all these luxury items?
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  Speaker 2: So they're not just luxury it was maybe pain No,
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  Speaker 2: it's just rooms and rooms and rooms. Yes, like we
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  Speaker 2: like luxury items, yeah, okay, but we don't have like
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  Speaker 2: bedrooms in our homes dedicated.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the Chanell room.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and there's not every inch of the room it's
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  Speaker 2: packed with's filled with something.
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  Speaker 4: It's a horror situation. But for luxury.
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  Speaker 3: Items, luxury items, what it is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So then she's introduced to the Salt Lake City audience
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  Speaker 1: as the pastor, and we get the story her grandmother
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  Speaker 1: gave her the church and all the businesses associated with
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  Speaker 1: the church when she died, and the grandmother, Mama, also
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  Speaker 1: wanted Mary to marry her second husband, Robert, who was
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  Speaker 1: in fact her step grandfather.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so that's.
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  Speaker 3: We were all shook from when we heard that.
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  Speaker 1: It's all getting explained. We're seeing clips and st all
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  Speaker 1: getting explained. She married Robert Singer when she was twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: forty two, Mama was sixty two. Okay, yes, so we
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  Speaker 1: get a lot of clips of the I only got
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  Speaker 1: fourteen birthday cards.
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  Speaker 4: You old, stingy people. You're poor.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want poor people around me. You poor people,
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  Speaker 1: And I mean just not great. Now we've all seen
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  Speaker 1: it and it's not good. You can't you can't decide
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  Speaker 1: that that is bad.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I And you know I love Mary m Cosby,
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  Speaker 2: I love her down.
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  Speaker 3: However, that was horrible.
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  Speaker 2: But I will say this, there has been a dramatic
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  Speaker 2: shift from season one Mary Cosby, Right, what are we
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  Speaker 2: in season five? There's a total like I believe that
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  Speaker 2: the old Mary most definitely would say something like that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that Mary two point zero would say.
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  Speaker 3: That to her congregation, because I think she would. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think she would.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know why. And I discussed this with
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  Speaker 1: the with the people I interviewed. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: she would bring the church back up, like, because it's
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: been down for renovations, of which they've done not one thing.
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  Speaker 1: It looks exactly the same, but it was down for
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  Speaker 1: renovations air quotes. I think it's because they're being sued.
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  Speaker 1: There's no reason to bring it back up. She's got
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  Speaker 1: this other career, They've got obviously plenty of money at
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  Speaker 1: this point. Robert Senior's got to be in his seventies.
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  Speaker 1: They don't They live completely separate lives.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so, which is the reason why I think
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  Speaker 2: there's been a shift in Mary. It's because she's away
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  Speaker 2: from him. She's so much more likable without.
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  Speaker 3: Him being around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Yes, I agree, because and you do
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  Speaker 1: remember and I discussed this with them too on the
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  Speaker 1: show and then also on that reunion when we saw
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  Speaker 1: when he's around it does seem like father daughter. Yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: strong when he's around.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 4: Now we meet her sister.
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  Speaker 1: So her sister is Denise, and she says Mary's a
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  Speaker 1: big old hypocrite and has always been a f My
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  Speaker 1: earliest memories of Mary, She's needy and Mary even being
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  Speaker 1: able to marry Gramps was not normal. You got to
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  Speaker 1: step out of yourself to be able to marry Ramps
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  Speaker 1: and have an end goal. And I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: really good point. You have to be able to step
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  Speaker 1: out of yourself. And my end goal is this, So
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to marry this guy that, according to Denise,
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  Speaker 1: their whole lives they knew was their grandfather.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this wasn't like, Hey, I'm sixteen and my grandmother
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  Speaker 2: married this guy.
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  Speaker 3: That is like the grandfather that they knew.
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  Speaker 4: Right, they don't know your grandfather.
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  Speaker 3: I mean Mary was three when they got married.
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  Speaker 2: That is the only grandfather she has ever known in
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  Speaker 2: her entire life.
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  Speaker 1: It's gross, So it is quite disgusting. Yanne Rowntree tells
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  Speaker 1: us about her investigation. She talked to many former members
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  Speaker 1: and what was overwhelming to her was the financial abuse. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: now we're getting these three siblings. This is rosalind Ernest
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  Speaker 1: and Michael Enoch. Yes, I think I'm saying, Enoch, correctly
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  Speaker 1: you are so. Ernest is watching a video some kids
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  Speaker 1: singing from the old church when mama was there, and
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: he sees his dad was the choir leader. Ernest himself
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  Speaker 1: is the organ player. And at the first reunion, Andy
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  Speaker 1: asked her about is it a cult? And she says, well,
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: people think it's a cult. And Mary says in the
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: audio that we're seeing, she says it was because they
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: they heard me calling the people in the congregation stingy,
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  Speaker 1: but it was taken out of context. I'm a god
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  Speaker 1: fearing woman. My church is small. My church is small,
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  Speaker 1: could never provide that life for me. So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why people think I'm stealing their money. Ernest goes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something. I was there when that
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  Speaker 1: stingy fourteen birthday cards conversation happened.
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  Speaker 3: I was one of the.
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  Speaker 4: People that gave her a birthday card. I had.
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  Speaker 3: I put one thousand dollars in that birthday card.
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  Speaker 2: That is crazy to me that you would give someone
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  Speaker 2: because they.
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  Speaker 3: Were childhood friends.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and now this is your pastor and you gifted
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  Speaker 2: them a thousand, one thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Dollars because Michael, the brother that we talked to later
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  Speaker 1: dated Mary when they were in high school.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so that is just crazy to.
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  Speaker 1: Me and Rosalind and the sister says, oh, we'd have
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  Speaker 1: emergency meetings where they would ask for money, like the
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  Speaker 1: doors were locked and you were in those and this
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  Speaker 1: is I mean.
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  Speaker 4: All of this is very cult cult cult. Check the boxes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Robert would instruct the ushers to stand at the
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  Speaker 1: door so they couldn't leave. They'll take credit cards, they'll
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  Speaker 1: take debit cards, they'll take checks. People were cashing out
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  Speaker 1: there for one case. People are losing their homes. It
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: was a lot of pressure. But where's the money going, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean going to church?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, I mean it's like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it looks exactly.
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  Speaker 3: It was crazy to see pictures and video when Mama was,
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: you know, over the church.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, those are the same goddamn chairs unless
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  Speaker 2: they just have been renovating it to look exactly the same.
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  Speaker 2: I mean there's been no changes at all. No, I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's still the same red chairs and everything like that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what, it just doesn't add up to me.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't add up. I agree.
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  Speaker 1: No, So we meet doctor Stephen Hassan he's the cult expert,
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  Speaker 1: and he says, cults control you with financial exploitation. Most
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  Speaker 1: people in the cult don't know what's going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes with the money.
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  Speaker 3: And now we get season two of Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: We get clips of people talking, Hey, Ben, Ben Mendelkers
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  Speaker 1: on there. Later on we see my friend Gibson, John's
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  Speaker 1: I sent them while I was watching the screeners last week.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I sent them clips of themselves. Both Ben and Gibson
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: were like, wait a minute, I'm in the documentary.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, yes, you didn't even know, because you
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  Speaker 3: can take whatever you want from social media. You know.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: They're saying Mary makes TV, and she does.
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: Little Girl so we see Bobblehead.
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  Speaker 1: We see the clip of her telling Whitney and her
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  Speaker 1: daughter about one of the church members die.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Keisha, I know.
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  Speaker 1: The scene when she walks into their house because they're
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: gonna make Christmas cookies or something, and she goes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so my church they died.
• 14:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy thing.
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  Speaker 1: You flew right out of the center, flaid it in
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  Speaker 1: a ditch. And the little girl's like, is she okay?
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  Speaker 3: No, she did.
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  Speaker 1: We'll where seat belt, let's cook, And you're like, oh wow, wow.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking wow.
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  Speaker 2: But at the same time, you're thinking, maybe this is
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: not true.
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  Speaker 3: She's just because sometimes they say.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: Things for a storyline on these shows and it's just
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: not true. I mean, I felt like it might have
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: been true but exaggerated, or.
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  Speaker 1: For her to go, I'm not gonna be able to stay,
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  Speaker 1: like I just wanted to let y'all know this terrible thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be.
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  Speaker 1: Able to stay. Wear your seatbelt. I gotta go, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But she stayed, so that was
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: the case at all. So Rosalind of the enox Enox says,
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  Speaker 1: I watched the clip of Mary mocking the loss of
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: a life of my loved one, my niece who I
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: helped to raise, like it was a joke and makel
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: was the niece daughter of Michael who we've been seeing
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. They used to day to her in
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: high school and everything. So we get information about the
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: girl that died Michael. She was a mother of two,
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: she was working to pull her life together. Yeah, And
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: they asked Michael Enoch, do you want to see the
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: clip again? He goes, no, I don't want to see
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: that clip again. If I'm talking about my daughter's death,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: He says, I felt angry. I felt if it was
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: a personal attack on me, a personal attack on my daughter.
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  Speaker 4: That's my pastor.
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  Speaker 1: Mary never called anybody in the family about Mikel Dian. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the granddad was organists with Mama. Yep Ernest the brother,
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  Speaker 1: the uncle of this child was her current organist. Michael
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: was her high school boyfriend. And so she knows all
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: these people.
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  Speaker 4: She never even calls then.
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  Speaker 2: And the girl was a member of the church because
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: they said how much she loved Mary.
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  Speaker 4: She loved Mary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Then there was somebody put on Facebook like a GoFundMe
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to set up for the girl's children. Mary told the
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: congregation not to donate to the GoFundMe because it would
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: be less money for her in the church.
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  Speaker 2: This was bad, Like I can't even you know, I'm
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: going to defend her as much as I can.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: I know, but you can't defend this.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: I cannot defend this because honestly, I remember that scene,
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: but when she tells it, you kind of do giggle
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: because you don't realize that, like this is really really
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: happening to someone. So when they said that this was.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: My niece, this was my daughter, we'd already gotten to
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: know them.
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  Speaker 1: In the documentary the siblings, we'd already gotten to know them,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: so what like a brand new person coming on the screen.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: We'd already got to know them.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: When they said her name was make Hal and we
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: knew his name was Michael, I.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: Was like, oh Lord, please don't let that be his child.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: But it was. It was. I was like, oh Mary, Mary, Mary, this.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Is and she can't deny it because it's filmed, and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that's why she said it. That is that was her
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: reaction to that situation. But for her as a pastor
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to not even call, your pastor's supposed to not just call, they're.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Supposed to be at your house, be at your house. Yeah,
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: what can we do? Like they should be the one
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: starting to go fund me account and the set up
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a food train and all that stuff. Yes, all these things.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Oh Mary, So Michael says she has to live with
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: what she did. Her day is coming because you reap
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: what you saw. Then they see the church treating Mary
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: like God. We see the clip of the man on
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: his knees praising her, and that woman standing in the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: audio you are my best friend, and Mary's just nod
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: mat her.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: She would never have dinner with that woman. No, that woman,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: You're not cute enough for her. No, and she most
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I think she'd have dinner with the one of us
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: before she would have dinner with that lady.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree, your hands down. So the cult expert
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: tells us, you know, worshiping the leaders. You know, we
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: have this awe. We forget that people are human, especially
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: when the leader tells you that God is speaking to them. Okay,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: now we see all about Cameron. So Cameron was that
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: former church member of Mary's that was introduced on the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: show at the fresh Wolf party. Oh, I was like, lol, Freshwolf.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: He is telling Meredith, you need to be very careful
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: about Mary. He won't say why. Right now, you think
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: about think about Cameron, and think about Meredith and Lisa
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: and Whitney and all of them sitting down to talk
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: to him and bringing him on. And it is a
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: wonder that she still speaks to any of them. But
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: she was all for one season and then came back
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: after this.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that's true. And I also found it
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: so interesting.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: That he started revealing Okay, I feel a certain way
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: about both parts. I get him telling the other members
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of the congregation about what's going on? But I still
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: feel like he did not have to reach out.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: To the show.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Well, Lisa was friends with him from something else, so
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: she probably was like, I know somebody who goes to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that church and to like get that guy on here.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: I also felt like, why didn't he tell all of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: it knowing that he was dying.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like, hey, what can happen to me now
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: I'm already dying. Let me just spill it all.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a rumor and some people say that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: she had an affair with Cameron. He died during a
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: surgery for a brain tumor. Everybody's saying Cameron, he was
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: a great guy. You know, he came to the church
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: he gave. When he came, he was looking for a church.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: When he found the church, he had been saving for
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: three years to tithe, so he tied three years worth
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: the savings immediately into the church. So of course she
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: was like chu ching. And he was very involved in
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the church. He's very confident in the church. And you know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Michael says, and I've wondered about him with Mary because
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: he seemed real sure of himself when he was with her,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: but then he stopped coming and went and tell me why.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, but can you blame Mary? I mean, you're
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: fucking your seventy seventy year old grandfather. And then a
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: nice piece of ass comes.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: A wrong, gives you attention, gives you money.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I think they probably banked a couple of times. I agree,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and then that's it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so here comes this nice looking guy. He's big,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: he's got money. A yeah, she hopped right on it.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: I mean there's cob whips down there. I mean serious,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure what she opened our legs and with it
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: had been opened in social Yeah.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I don't falter for the affair with Cameron. I don't.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: So we meet Dan Cosby.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Dan is Mary's first cousin, and he says Cameron called
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: me and said he had things to tell me, but
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: he was feared for his life, but if anything happened
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: to him, he wanted.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: A story to be out.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: We hear recording Cameron saying, I don't want to go
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: down on Mary's ship. I don't want to associate with
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: her anymore. I had to go to therapy to get
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: over it. The affair and Dana is wanted to tell Cameron, like,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you're a victim because she's the leader of our church.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: And according to what Cameron told Dan, mm hmm, Mary
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and Cameron, yes we're having sex. And yes, Ernest knew
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: about this. We see tons of photos of Mary and
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Cameron together. They're at a basketball game, they're at a
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: dinner there, they seemed like a couple.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I think that Robert Senor might have been okay with that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's out and about. He's in Vegas, he's
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: in wherever. They've got five homes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, Okay, do whatever you want to do,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: because I mean, that's more viagar for me to bang
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: other woman.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Do what I want. Yeah, yeah, Michael tells us. Michael
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Enoch tells us that Cameron was contacted by production and
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: he was friends with Lisa Barlow and that he Cameron
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: was the one who would recommended Mary for the show
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: in the first place.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Lisa called him and said, you know anybody now that was.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Shocking, Well, it was shocking the fact that he and
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Lisa were friends, like how did they meet? And knowing
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: that he was the one who got married on the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: show because that was his woman.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: But I wonder what his job was right that he
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: met Lisa Barlow. Barlow is on like the circuit of
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: the film festival Sun Dancers. Yes, so he must have
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: had a job, probably in hospitality, so he knew Lisa Barbow.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: He called him up and said, we're trying to make
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the cast not be completely white. Yeah, do you know
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: somebody that lives like this luxury like style of color
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: that you could recommend? He was like, well, my boothing
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and also my pastor. Uh so he says, he said her.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Michael says, I think Cameron set her up on that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: show so people can see for themselves who she really is.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: To expose her.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And we see clips of Cameron tell Lisa about mortgaging
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: his home to the church three hundred thousand, and he
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: had nobody else in town when he moved there. He
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: was vulnerable. She love bombed him, and of course he'd
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: given all us three years of tithing. And Cameron thought
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: everything he was doing for Mary was for God. Oh, okay,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: he does work for Goldman Sacks, So he was intelligent
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and worked for Goldmant s Acts.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: How could he be such a fool.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So he was in some sort of finance, so she
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: could have met him through that, like he worked in
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: the firm that does her finances or whatever one of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: her five locks.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, we know all about Lisa's finances,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: so she needs all the help.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: She can get.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she might be next clan clink, okay, allegedly, all right,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: all right? Episode two is that's when the trouble started.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: And Denise, her sister, says.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Look, Mary pay this woman.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Although yes, her sister, I believe everything that she said,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: but she still gave off hater vibes.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, and I cannot take.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Care seriously because every episode her wig part was on
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: a different side.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Of her head.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I was gonna ask you what you thought about her wig.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, one episode the part was on the left,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: another episode the part was on the right. Once that happens,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I can't even hear what you're saying, right, that's all
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: on focus.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: And then that little.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Pisa hair that just kept sticking up in the front,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, production, can sole please like flat eye this
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: shit down, like, come on, please?
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: All right, sisters, Denise, she says, She says, I can't
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: believe Mary was sleeping with a congregation member. If my
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: grandmother was there, none of this would have happened. Denise says,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: growing up with my grandmother as the pastor, it was strict,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and Robert Sr. Was gramps to us. He's our grandfather.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: He was our father figure because we didn't have a
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: father figure. Yeah, Robert and Mama got married. He was
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: twenty years younger than her. They never had kids. Mary's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: mom is Rosalind. We see a clip of Mary saying
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: she just knows Mama would be so proud of her.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: So I think maybe I.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Think Mama did fear I mean, not fear favor, fear Mary.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I really do. But I tell you what, when they
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: first showed Robert Cosby h I was like, damn kind
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: of good.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: There's no way he's not using this sixty six year
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: old rather large and very.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: Plain looking woman. Yeah, he had an end game as well.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, so sometimes you know, grifter find grifter, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: mm hmmm. So to talk about how the church was
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: so close, it was very when Mama was their very
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: family oriented. We meet Dan's wife, Kim, So Kim says.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Who had on a bad wig as well.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I think that's just her hair, no, ma'am okay, I
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: have no.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I mean that was just her hair, ma'am. Where is Lindsay?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Where is hairstylis lindsay? No, we need her on the case.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: This was a not a good wig.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, hair monkey, Lindsay when you watch this, So it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Dan's wife. Kim has not a bad wig. So Kim goes, yeah,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent, it's the call. Yeah, yeah, you know
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Mary that there. Yes, she's one hundred percent responsible for ruining.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: The church what we had. So we get the history
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: of the church.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: We meet Dorothy, who was Mama's best friend and she
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: was a member of the church. We find out Mama
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: came from Detroit and walked on foot walking it hitchhiked
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever with her four kids to Salt Lake City.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: She felt called, just like Joseph Smith before who started
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: the Border Church, felt called to Salt Lake City and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: started this Pentecostal church.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: We see her white people in salt so that sounds great.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: So we see her first house.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: It was called the Saint's House and that's how she
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: grew the church out of this home. They built the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: first church in nineteen sixty eight. Hey, this year I
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: was born. And we find out about in Pentecostal churches.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: They received the Holy ghost and they speak in tongues.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: We see clips of the sermons and the you know,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: knocking people down on the moon and all this stuff. Okay,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: hooping in the hollering. Now we meet a guy named
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Sam Kelly. He was mama's adopted son. Yes, okay, so
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Denise says, Mama, this is the mama was her grandmother.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: But because the mom wasn't around most Yeah, no, no, no, no.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: You said, I got the names mixed up. Now I
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: got the names mixed up.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, Sam is the adopted son, Denise says, And I'm
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: saying Denise is actually the granddaughter, Denise says. Mama started
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: opening small businesses geared towards black residents, which was an
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: underserved community in Salt Lake City, but she remained connected
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to Indianapolis. She would go back for revivals there and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: then come back. Okay, when I said Detroit, I'm in Indianapolis.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: So Midwest. So we see lots of people now, lots
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of clips of talking about Robert Cosby, Robert Senior, being
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: a monster. But he was there to harry on the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: ministry whenever Mama would pass, and he was made the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: bishop and Dorothy the best friend says it does appear
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that he really loved Mama, and Sam the adopted Son's like,
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he says, he has a
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: lot of different size to him.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So I think he just saw some woman who was lonely.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Mama wasn't dating, yes, and saw the potential,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: and he thought that he could run game on her.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: There's just no way this tall, high, yellow, good haired
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: man looked at her.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It saw sexiness. Wow, he should have looked at her
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: like a grandmother.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a mother at least twenty years older.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: So then we see this clip of Mary and Roberts,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: which was one in the first season of Salt Lake City,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: saying it was sort of their marriage was sort of
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: like an arranged marriage, because he said, Mama said, if
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: anything ever happens to me, I want you to marry
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: one of my girls. And Sam goes, you could tell
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: in some of these clips that he's angry. He's angry
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: that production asked that question. He's angry how he's being portrayed.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: So Sam explains that he and his brother Demetrius were
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: adopted by Mama and Robert when he was only.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Three weeks old. He always saw Robert was his father, but.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: He hated him. He hated him.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Robert and some of the other elders would call meetings
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: called the Brotherhood with some of the young guys, make
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: them do push ups, make them run around the church like.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Abusive, and they, you know, tell things.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Holding your arms out for X amount of time, and.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: The elders, you know, kick a kid if they couldn't
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: do a push.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: Up, and that's so godly, it's this.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Is exactly what it says in the Bible. You should
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: have abused the children of your church.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: If used the children, yes.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: And Mama didn't know anything about it, and they didn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: tell Mama because they didn't want.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: To hurt her.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: But one day Dimitrius told Mama everything.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: So she asked Robert.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: He said, oh, they're exaggerating, they're exaggerating, and she said,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: that's done. The beings are done. But even though Mama
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: knew Robert was a bad guy, she stayed with him
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: because the church doesn't like divorce and that would.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Have been so scoop and she could see where things
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: ended as she would have went ahead and just forced them,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: because that would be such less of a scandal than
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: her granddaughter marrying your husband. And from the looks of it,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Mama seemed to be a really, really genuine person that
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: loved her congregation, loved everybody, wanted to help everybody.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: She wanted to build a community of pure a family.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody has anything bad to say, and not
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a word financial. You know, there's lots of video of
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Mama and none of it saying your poor people.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: No, n G no, not no, not at all. And
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: it's just like you don't meet genuine people that often.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: But she just really, really really was.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: She made you is one of them. You hope your
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: pastor is a genuine person.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she seemed to have been a hard working
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: as well, because she was opening up all these businesses
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: and not asking for all this money from her congregation.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Right, she trying to make her own I know.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Denise says, yeah, Mary does a lot of
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: things contradictory with how we grew up.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: We were on welfare.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And then they show a clip of the show with
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Ron Wenn saying something about or maybe it was Brittany
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: soon Brittany I said, I grew up poor, and I
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: don't worry Mary, I grew up poor and she was like,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't grow up poor.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: What are you? And she said, here's my question before
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you go on, I have a question about that. I
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: was confused because the sister says they grew up poor,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: they grew up on welfare. But at the same time
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: she said that mama had to step in to help
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: raise them. Yeah, and apparently mama had, through all her businesses,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: was quite wealthy.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: But I don't think wealthy. I just think okay, doing okay.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: And then her daughter wasn't doing okay, And they don't.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: They just say that mom had a difficult time, so
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Mama came in and helped raise them. But we don't
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: know exactly what. And you know, we see the interview
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: later with the mom and she ain't right.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Oh god, no, I've seen the interview before. It's like,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: something's wrong. There's something wrong with all of them. Between Mary,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the sister, and the mom. Something's not It has to
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: be something genetic. But that leads to the question of
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: here we go again, where.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: Does all the money come from?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Because we were led to believe that Mama was wealthy,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: therefore she left everything to marry and that's.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: How they're rich.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: But I think Robert took over all these businesses when
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: he got with Mama, and I think a lot he
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: built a lot of them up. I mean I think
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: that there are from my understanding from other things I've seen,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and this is all alleged because I don't actually know
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: from what I've seen, that there are throughout the church.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: There's like a mortgage company within the church, so you
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: can get your mortgage to the church. So who's going
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to benefit from that the church. There are a lot
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: of services you can get, like if you're doing anything
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: on your house, you needed to use somebody with the church,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: like anything that's going to funnel money back to the church.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: So Mary says, you know, Mama helped. Denise says, mama
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: helped raise them. And Mary and our mom had a
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: falling out when my mom was like nineteen. So Rosalind
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: not the mom roly Rosalind Enoch of the three siblings, says,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Mary was annoying, she was a troublemaker, She needed a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: lot of attention.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: She would run away a lot.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Michael surprised about that part, the running away.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not Michael, so she said, I believe, but that
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: was like, really.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Michael says, she she liked dudes with the reputation and money.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: She was always materialistic, and she was always making other
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: girls mad at her.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Oh well, okay, okay.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: She said, he said.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: With her, it was always like drama, manipulation, scandal. It
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: was everything was about herself and who what men could
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: do something for her.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I mean we've seen some of that play out.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: On the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Yeah, she
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: always had an issue with the girls. She always would
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: just for no reason, get mad at someone to kind
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: of pick at them, you know what I mean.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: She called Heather fat, called Heather inbread.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then will never not be funny to me.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: So when they were adults, Mary came to live with Denise,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and one time she took her car and left for
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: two weeks. Took her car and left for two weeks.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: That's that's that. You stole the car.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: You stole the car.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Car. Yeah, you stole your sister's car.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: And she said she just got away with everything. She
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: was doing things to bring reproach onto the church, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: that's why she got this fellowshipped she got, which means
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you can come to church, but you're not allowed to participate.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: So I was like, does that mean, like if the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: tongues come to you, you're not allowed to fall on
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the floor and tay the tongues, Like, no.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: You're not.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Now you have to just send there like nothing is happening.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: That was my first time hearing that. Yeah, past past,
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: it's like you're passing along the little collection. It's the
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: next person. Now you catch the tones and all that
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: So during this time, Mama unexpectedly dies at sixty five
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: years old. So she's sixty five, Robert is forty five,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Mary is twenty five.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, they yeah, they don't mind.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Well what is it called? It seems very like predator, Like, yes,
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: it does. The relationship, it.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: Does seem That's what I said.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: You know a lot of people are going to come
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: away with this seeing her as a victim. You do
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: have all the people talking about her being kind of
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: a bad person before she married Robert. But Sam, the
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: adopted son, says when Mama died, the blanket got lifted
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and all the ugliness came out. Robert was her husband,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Mama's husband, so he was to take over the church,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: and we hear clips him yelling, you know, if you
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: trust in God, then you trust me. So he's Sam says,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: if she had been this fellowship from the church that
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Mama ran, why would Mama then want her to be
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: in charge of the church.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Here we go again, it's I see, I don't think.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Any of that happened.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think any of that happened where Mama said,
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: because not one person backs it up other than Robert
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: and Mary and Mary.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I've been dis fellowshiped.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I feel as though I'm gonna go back. I feel
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: as though Mary was probably her favorite. I think she
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: may have had a conversation with Mary at some point saying,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: if you get right, I would like for you.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: To leave this or.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Take over this business or take over that business, but
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: not the church.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: But after probably not the church.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: But after seeing this, we know that all this this
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: bullshit about my grandmother wanted me to Mary. There's no
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: we all thought originally when she said that, legitimately there
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: was a will.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: That says please do this, please do that. But as
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: the seasons went on.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: The cracks started coming out and are like, there was
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: no will that this woman said any Maybe she said
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: it to him.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. I doubt it, though, But like
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Denise is like, why not mean. I mean, all right,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: you want the favorite grandchild. Yeah, So.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: Kim, Dan's wife tells us that Mary kind of moved
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in to console gramps, and Denise said Graham's bought Mary
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: a BNW. She was consoling him and showing him a
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: new way of Christianity, which involved materialistic.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Things and drinking.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Dan and Denise both say they know they didn't have
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: no idea any of this stuff happened. And the stuff
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: that you said on the show about Mama wanting her
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to have it and all that right, including her husband,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: is all a lie. And Graham started calling the congregation
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: members and saying to Denise, to Dan, to everybody, is
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: God telling you I should marry Mary? Because God's telling
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: me that. Do you hear would you?
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: No, God is not telling us that you should marry Mary.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: He was just hoping line person said it so he
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: could bring them up to the pullpit to say even
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: this person saw it.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: They heard it from God. Yes, yes, yes. It didn't work.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: So Kim says, and let's not forget Mary was married
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: to another man at the time, and remembering the church,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you're not to divorce. So we see at the reunion
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to Andy ask her, and she says, I got divorced
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: because of an irreconcilable differences. Yep, had nothing to do
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: with Robert Sr. And then Kim goes, yeah, she got
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: married to Robert Senior nineteen days after her divorce.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Girl Mary like.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Why would you lie about something that all someone has
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: to do is Google.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Search and there's the evidence.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Because she thinks everybody in that church is going to
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: keep their mouth closed because they think she's God.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Well, that didn't happen.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: So we hear about our first marriage to a guy
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: named Dana. Dana didn't have a lot of money, so
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: her motive to remarry to Mary Gramps was lifestyle related.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: So they called Mary's husband in front of the congregation
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and ridiculed him and said he was the whole reason
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: that she was just followshiped, and they kicked him out
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: of the church and they and then the cult guy goes,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: this is cult, like, behave your fear of God. If
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: you don't agree with us, God will get you.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: So that here's another person who had been a member
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of the church since he was a child.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so that yeah her husband. So Rosalind Mary's
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: mom is against the marriage. She comes she comes to head,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: She comes to a it all comes.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: To a head.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Sorry at the walkout service. That's what they call it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: The walkout service. Now, this is what we just heard
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: about this season where she gets her cousin to sit
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: down and have a very staged, stupid conversation where he's going, yes,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it was crazy when your mother came into the church
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and she says, yes it was and we had to
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: ask her to leave.
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: Wow, how devastating it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It was awful, you guys. If you saw it on
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: the show, it was so fake. It was so fake
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it was. It was so rosalind. The mom gets up
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: on the pulpit and is saying, this is not God.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: What's happening here?
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: M hm?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: United, we stay in, Divided, we fall. The devil is
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: trying to break up the church. All the people are fighting,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: and the police came.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Girl, this will make me attend church every single Sunday.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: That would bring me to the House of the Lord
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: to see some shit like that happen. Do you know
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I would have been there. I would have been the
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: last personally church that you've been like, what's gonna have
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: an next? Oh, who's gonna get arrested? Next? Up on
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: the pulpit.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna speak in tongues and get arrested. This is
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: the church for men.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: They considered. There's people pushing one another.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yes, people are getting hit with umbrellas.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: I loved it.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So Denise, her Mary's sister says, it is like incest
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: because he is the only grandfather we ever knew.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, So here's something I'm gonna tell you that it's
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. So my mom's stepfather was the only
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: grandfather that I knew. Okay, Now, when I was born,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: he was already married to my grandmother.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: That was Paul. Paul only grandfather I knew. Last week
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: asked you to marry him.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: So when my grandmother died, okay, a week and a
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: half later, he asked my aunt to marry him.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: He tried to buy her Mercedes. So aunt, so as
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: in my mom's sister.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: So his wife child, his stepchild, okay, okay, his wife's daughter, yes,
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: his wife's daughter o.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, so exactly kind of like this situation right here.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: He waited two weeks after she wee can.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Have exactly liked this situation.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Yes, and we quit all the grandkids. This is the
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: only grandfather that we know on this side. He's the
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: only grandfather I have.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Period. Yeah, none of us ever spoke to him again.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: It was like that because there was always something odd
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: about him, but we can never put our finger on it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: But just like that, none of us ever fucked with
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: him again ever. Ever.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: If he tried to buy her Mercedes, I'll buy you
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: a new house. I've always been in love with you.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: His wife's daughter, who she was a child. Yeah they
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: got married, right, yeah, uh huh yep, wow, uh.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, on that note, we'll go into episode three. Yeah, okay.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Episode three is called a message of fear and control.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So the church splits. Okay, this is half want to
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: go with Mary's mom then believe that this is not
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: what mama wanted, and the other half go with Mary
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: and Robert. Rosalind tries to start a new church. I
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: don't think it's very I don't think it goes very.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Well because okay, two of her daughters don't even speak
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: to her because Denise doesn't have a relationship with her either.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just so some of this is off about
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: this bitch. We just never figure out.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: We should never.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: Really know what it is now.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: So Mary says, my mother was jealous that she wasn't
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: chosen to marry Robert and take over the church. Okay,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: now we see up in Adam interviewing Mary's mom and
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Rozzie is what they call her, Rozzie and Mark, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: guess there's her husband, feel that Robert had an influence
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: over Mary and that Mary was a victim.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Now I agree, I agree, but I did.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I just agree, just a little bit, because I do
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: think whatever it was.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: She saw that she saw.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I can run this church and have all these businesses
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: and have a houseful of luxury goods and have one
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: to seven cousins working for me at all times.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for free, for free.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So Mary steps in is the pastor, and then Robert
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and Mary start using their leadership to chastisse people from
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the pulpit, and they're isolating them. You're not allowed to
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: talk to anybody who left with Rosslyn. And then that's
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: when it.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: Starts to look like a cult.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: It's like in scientology, right, when somebody leaves, they're a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: suppressive person. You're not allowed to speak to them anymore,
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: even if it's your mother, your brother, your child, whatever.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, let me say this one thing. Will you
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: do hear Mary preaching?
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: She sounds so much like Mama.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she sounds just like it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Just she looks like her. She sounds like her.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: But she did say in different words, you know what
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, you ugly poor people?
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: How come you're so stingy? Okay, so ugly? That's not
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: a good nix.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: So Michael, you know, the one of the three siblings, says,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: it's starting to feel strange.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: There's cameras in the church.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: She's starting to watch people in the service, like if
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: she's in another home and someone else is preaching, She's
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: watching people in the service, and they would get calls saying,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I see you, stop thinking you're cute because you're not cute.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that does sound like something Mary would say. It
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: does like I saw you. That's how you in church
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: thinking you're cute. You're not cute.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, you know, Mama did it in the past.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Would watch if somebody when somebody else was preaching, to
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: get encouragement from another pastor's words, not to keep an
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: eye on the people in the congregation.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Mary and Robert also changed the way confessions were handled.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Instead of people coming to their pastor in private to
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: say I have a problem, I did something bad. I
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: need to work it out. They had to be public
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: in their confessions to the other congregants. Kim says, here's
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: how it would go. You would write a letter of confession,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: and another fore member named Susie, who were going to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: see more of in a minute, says, with Mama, she
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: may address it with you directly, or she may not.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: But you would write it. But Robert and Mary would
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: deal with it as public humiliation.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: They would brace you, They would read it out loud
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and then berate you and denise her. Sister goes, oh, yeah,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Mary would tell me confessions that people had told her
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: in private.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: So I mean that's a sister sister talk.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: But you know, Susie says, Now nobody would socialize because
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: nobody trusted anybody.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: And then the cult, uh, the cult.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Experts says, this is this is a message of fear
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and control to other members. Stay in line, because if
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: you don't stay in line, then I'm gonna that's gonna
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: happen to you.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Now, let me ask you, do you think that this
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: was more Robert, this is how.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: He wanted to run things. Yeah, and then he told
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: because a.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Small part of me does believe that she is a
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: little bit of a victim.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: I agree, I really do.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: And then he, you know, told her this is how
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: we're going to do it, this is how it's going
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: to be, and she just fell on line as well.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: But I think he used her being attractive and being
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: a dynamic leader and people seeing her as the dress
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: offspring of Mama, not the direct the second direct officering
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: of Mama that people would respect her more as a leader.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Than him, so he could just be the man behind
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: the coating the whole thing.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's selling her the puppeteer basically. But he's
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: selling her this is how we're going to do it.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: This is what you need to tell him, This is
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: how you keep them in line, and things like that.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, And I think she went along with it because
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: she's like, because I do enjoy a handbag and some
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: five homes and also I like for you to stay
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: in Vegas and for me to stay in Salt Lake
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: City and don't touch me. And yeah, I think it
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: was a they worked out a deal.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: So then we see clips for the show with Jinshaw
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: lol telling Lisa, you know, Mary is a cult leader,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: people in her church have lost everything and had to
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: go on food stamps just to go to the church.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Now, girl, well.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Listen, Jinshaw. It didn't age well, So Noah didn't. Cheyenne,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the journalist says, I looked into the financial abuse, and
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: there were people working there in Mary and Roberts home
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: for free, expected to donate their time and their lives
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: to the church. So they're working for free. And so
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Rosalind Enoch of the three siblings, says, I worked for
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Robert and Mary. I started to accept Mary's position as
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Robert's wife and as the first lady of the church.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: So I worked as her personal assistant. And no I
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: never got paid and I had to collect unemployment because
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't pay me.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: So here's my thing.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Like, yes, as a member of a church, you do
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: volunteer to do things. Sometimes will volunteer to clean the church.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Someone will volunteer secretary and distances, but not go.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: To their home and clean their house, run errands, go
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: pick up the dry clean and take the dog to
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the vet. You know, no, no, no, If you want that,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that person becomes an.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: Employee and you pay right.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: So Susie said, they did very little for themselves. That's true,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: but it's different from what it appears on the show.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: My sister Pat worked there for many years Rosalind. Rosalind
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: says Robert and Mary talked horribly to Pat, told her
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: she was a slave and would work there until she died,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: and that she's going to hell. Pat would just take
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: the insults and was called a liar, She was called
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a thief. She was almost eighty and she believed in them.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: And one time Pat told Rosalind, today is that no?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: I think she Maybe?
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: She told her sister.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Susie, today's the day I wish I could go to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: sleep and not wake up.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: And then she did and she died. She was eighty one.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: How do you have an eighty year a woman cleaning
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: your house? I don't know.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Susie says.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: Their brother Don gave heavily to the church and the
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: push for money never stopped. The sister was working there
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: for free. The brother was given heavily to the church,
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: and Susie says, I tried to help Don get out
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: of this cycle of financial abuse, and when I tried
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: to help him, I was punished for it. She was
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: kicked out of the church, and Susie said, you know,
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: I really had no idea of Robert and Mary's wealth
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: until I saw real house has a salt city and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: I told my brother, don stop giving them so much money.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: You're literally a bus driver. Quit saying all their money,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: all your money.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: So what Cameron set out to do he did because
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: these people had no idea of the lavish lifestyle that
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: they look.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: This is not just like we're doing well. This is
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: rich rich five homes with five homes.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Homes yeah, yeah, yeah, an apartment in New York City,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: says it all. And you know she is probably in
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: damn Manhattan.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: But you've seen and you've seen like the picture of
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: their house in Vegas, and you've seen their assaultic city house.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: These are not small, rinkating homes.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: So Mary kicks Susie out of the church for telling
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: her brother to stop giving, and she says, you know,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: when that happened, I felt like God had rejected me.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: And then my sister, Pat worked for them, died and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I was told I was not allowed to come to
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: the funeral because I was kicked out of the church.
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: Girl, how did she says? They?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: She says, they purposely drive a wedge between families, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't get to properly say goodbye to my sister.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: And then they showed the pictures from their childhood. That
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: that was sad, that was fucked up.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: She's in the church. You destroy your family to put
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Robert and Mary first. And Kim says, Kim, this is
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: married to Don. The cousin says, I was very close
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to them for ten years. I went to California with
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: them on a trip and then one night Mary went
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: to bed and Robert and I sat on the balcony.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: We were literally just talking about, look at this beautiful ocean,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: look what God has created. And then the next day
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: or when the trip was over, Robert and Mary called
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: me together and said that she needed to apologize because
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: obviously she wanted Robert.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: And then I was in law Robert and I was
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: in love.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: With him, and she goes, he's my husband's grandpa. Yeah,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and yes, I love him as my bishop. And he
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: had to explain to Kim, sometimes people get their love confused,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: and you're gonna need to work on it because obviously
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: you're in love with me. So Kim says, you know,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I grew up Mormon, and she goes.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: You know, in the.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: LDS church, if you have an issue, you meet with
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: your bishop. So they would call me and tell me
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: to come to the house, and they would counsel me
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: about how I was in love with Robert, and Robert
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: kept telling me I was confused about my love for him.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: And so the cult expert says, cults use mind control
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: and gaslighting to disorient the members, and they don't have
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: so they don't have confidence in their own beliefs. So
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: you can kind of see how this goes. So, yes,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: Kim says, things with Robert got more frequent and intense,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: just non stop wanting me to come to the house.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: They NonStop texted and called me, and I had fear
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: because you have to answer right away. And Mary text
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: would just berate me and tell me how how awful
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I was. Now we see a clip of Whitney reading
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Mary's abusive text to her and saying, I don't have
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to do all this stuff to my face.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: You're so ugly. You're an ugly person. Da da da dah.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: And Kim goes, that was nothing, nothing, that was nothing.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: She goes. When I saw it on.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: TV, I thought, oh, well, she goes, that's just the
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: tip of what she's capable of doing.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: And then the phone calls and the text messages would
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: be like in the middle of the night, like yeah, one,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning, just call.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: Her just to cuss her out, like why.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Are y'all are old? Why are y'all even up? Yeah,
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: three o'clock in the morning, what are you doing?
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: So, Dan Kim's wife says, Kim would be at.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: The house seven days a week, and I started to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: feel like they were trying to pull her away from me,
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: And Kim says, they told me God wanted me at
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the house, and going home meant I was putting Dan
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: ahead of God. And Dan goes and now my daughters
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: are always up there with her, And if I said
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: anything about it, then I was with the devil. And
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: my daughter started to not know me very well, and
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I lost track of my marriage. It became a living hell.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: It was all about division, all about keeping us apart.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Okayward rip it apart. Families, uh huh.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Not just families, their family like these people may family.
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Dan says, one Sunday, I went to church
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: and at the end I went up for a prayer
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: with Robert and as I approached, he pushed me down
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: onto the ground and Mary sent him a text and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: said the whole church witnessed God, leaving.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: You ye insane.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And he says, I never went back to church. And
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: right after that the Housewives came out and her tagline
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: was if you come after me, I'll send.
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: Jesus for you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what she was doing. And he goes,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: and that sounds funny, but that's what she was doing.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: That's what she was doing.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So Cheyenne, the author says, Robert and Mary us
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: heaven in hell as a weapon scare people. And it
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was drilled in you that you had to accept the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: teaching because of Mary to get to heaven. And you know,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: and you see lots of clips of hers a if
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: you believe in me, then you believe in God.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: So Denise says, once she got on the Housewives, they
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: knew some people in the church are going to be
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: on board with this in summer or not. And I
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: was one of the ones that was not. And she says,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: I've had bad knees. I had a childhood something where
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I had maybe had bad knees, and my gramps, her
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: brother in law. My gramps was teaching Bible. Bible blast
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: is what I wrote, but surely that's not it. Bible class.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: My gramps was teaching Bible class, and the power of
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: God hit me. And next thing I knew, I was
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: in the aisle and my legs wouldn't work, and I
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: was falling and I looked up.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: So I guess like the power of God hit her.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: She felt like she needed to stand up to speak
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: in tongues or remote and because she has those problem,
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: she fell. And when she fell, she looked up and
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: Robert and Mary were laughing at her.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: Now, siblings do laugh at siblings when they fall, but
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: not like this. She's got back. She's got a childhood
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: issue that makes her niece not work. Geisha, I know,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: I know, And she.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Says, I was shocked at the level of manipulation going on.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Your things were getting worse. And you know, Mary is
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: my pastor and my sister.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: She's my sister. She should be her sister first.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: And she says, but she's telling me this is what
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: it'll take to get to heaven. And eventually I had
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: a mental breakdown. The devil told the devil told me
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: to unlive myself and then I heard the Lord speak
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: to me as clear as anything. It said, it's a cult.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: It's a cult, and now I believe that, and she
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: said and I snapped out of it and I left
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the church and it's been amazing for me.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: And I don't know either. People don't get out, Okay.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: So Charrelle Charrelle's World said, you know, pe loved Mary
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: and thought she was quirky, and so Robert Sr. Came
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: on the scene and then it clicked with the audience
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: because he's an angry man.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think she fears him a little bit.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But I've seen them on screen.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: It's like she's looking at She's not that fun, quirky
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: mean Mary that.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: We no no no no no, no, no no.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: And I think part of the reason could be that
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: everything is in his name.
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it is.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: Yes, And if she's smart, if she's smart, she's pulling
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a bron one and using this as a lily bad
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: to do something else. But I don't be like du
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: eat and don't know what your finances are.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: She may not know what her finances really are.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: So Danny Kim talked about it one day how Robert
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: called and it was weird because he is Dan's pastor
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: but also his granddad. And he called Kim and said,
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: if I fly you to if I want to fly
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you to Vegas, would you come? And she says what
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: he says, you could tell me you love me, tell
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: me you love me. And Kim said to Dan, I
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: think something's wrong with him, like this is a big
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: this is a.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Game to him.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: She later finds out Kim funds out that she's not
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: the only one. He's doing this too, She says, and
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: that made me feel free. I knew I was being abused.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I left the church completely.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: He's an abuser, he is. I think he abused Mama
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: as well. Yes, yes, yeah so.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Cherelle says, some of the ex members, you know, when
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: it first came out on house. So I've started contacting
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: her as a as a blogger and that saying that
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: Robert was coming on to them, to these church members.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: And Charelle says, if you're vulnerable and go to your
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: church leader and then you get hit on, yes, well
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: then you're you're fucked for the rest of your life.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: You're damaged.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So cult.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: Leaders want power, money, and sex. Those are the three
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: things they want. Power money, in sec You can look
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: at any cult, you can look next to him, you
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: can look at the same you can get the ra
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you can look at anything. It's power, money, in sex.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: They won't complete control. They have no accountability of wrongdoing,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: and in this case, Mary has no accountability of wrongdoing.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: She'll never admit she's done anything wrong because she thinks
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: she's above the law. So it was The Daily Beast.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Chyenne published her piece about the cult for The Daily
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Beast in twenty twenty one. Mary skipped the season two reunion,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: so she was on season one, she was on season two,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: and she skipped the season two reunion, and the cast
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: member say at the reunion, yes, we believe it's the cult.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: We've all spoken to former members of the cult.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Yet she still goes back on the show season four.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Well, so we all assumed because she skipped the reunion
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: that she had gotten fired because she wasn't on the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: next season, right, she wasn't. And then she comes back,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: but when she comes back, she's totally different.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Well in season five, last season, not the current season,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: so so so sorry, so season four, she comes back
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: in a limited role. That's when she went to the
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: hotel and like they're like, you want to come sit by?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: She's like no, and wouldn't get anything. She would participate.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: She sat in the van at the fish filet.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Which I would have done, done a dang I'll do
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: that too, Yes, but she still was different. It was
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: she was coming into the Mary that we know now.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: But now we're in season five and she's fun. She's like,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: she's easy, breezy, she's hilarious. Everybody loves her.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: Everybody's forgotten She's I don't think anyone has forgotten.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: I can't. I'd forgotten. I'd forgotten a lot of this Keisha.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: I hadn't forgotten about it. I was just like, she
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: is really changed. And I the fact that she was
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: so willing to share the story about Robert Jr. And
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: her just letting she totally took off her mask. The
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: fact that she actually developed a friendship, a genuine friendship
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: with Angie so much, so much to the point, I
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: don't know if you watched wife Swap when Angie's episode,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: while Angie was gone, she went to Angie's house, you
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, And she made this funny comment
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: when she saw how the other lady they were like
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: cleaning the fish.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: She's like, Alex's coming with me. I'm taking her with me.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: She's so different, and I think some of it has
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to do with she's making her own money now from
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: the show. I think Robert Sr. No longer lives there, right,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: I just don't think he does. I don't know that
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want to be on camera. I don't think
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: he lives there at all. And I think she's happier. Yeah,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: he's just happier, you know. I think she's been chained
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: for so long.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: But again, you can't forget.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: There are still all these victims, so Adam says Evan
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Adam says, now season five, she's refused to talk about
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: her husband and the church. She just has to engage
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: on the show. And now everybody loves her and everybody
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: has forgotten because she never mentions Robert SR. And never
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: mentions the church. So now that is gone, and Adam says,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: she gets a huge pass and she didn't get any
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: repercussions for this stuff that, you know, because she went
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: away for a season. So then we see an interview
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: we're asking her if your chur church is a cult,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: and she's that's ridiculous. Why would I come on TV
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: if I was running a cult? Well, why would you
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: come on TV if you were running Ponzi schemes? And
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: they do it all the time, and then steal money
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: from old people and.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: They do it all the time.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: Let's list out the people that have been arrested. So
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: you Chyenne goes for her to say, why would I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: come on TV if I was running a cult?
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: That's a deflection because for the.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Congregation members there are a lot of unresolved issues and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of these people want apologies from her. Now
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: we meet Bishop Galvin. Bishop Galvin is of the Sole
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Restoration Ministries.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: Move of God.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: That is just too much to say.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: The Sole Restoration Ministries Move of God Pentecostal Church. The
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: church is made up of ex members of Faith Simple,
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: the ones who were kicked out. And Bishop Galvin says,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the Lord has spoken to me and told me I
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: have to forgive what happened at the Faith Simple Pentecostal Church.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Denise and Susie. So Denise, the sister Susie, the other
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: the pat works for them. So as you say, the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: Sole Restoration ministries. Move of God Pentecostal Church is like
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: Mama's love has come back. It is like the church
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: that we have for in earnest Enox says, I had
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: to protect my peace. I had to leave because he
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: was the organist and his dad was the organist. So
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: I've gone to the other church and it's like now
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I've got joy in my life. The church is currently
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: looking for a permanent home and where Faith Simple is today,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: the church has been renovated and they see him. They're
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: asking Kim about the renovation. She goes, then, done any renovation?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: I mean he doesn't really look like you know.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: We see Rosalind watching I want to make sure we
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: you know I'm I'm not talking about Mary's mother.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: She's passed.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: We see Roslind watching a clip of when Whitney and
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: her dad and everybody came to the church and they're
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: all like cheering in the front row and everybody's clapping,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: and Roslind goes, no, this was all fake, which we
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: knew that we knew that it was fake. She said,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: this was all fake. Word got out there. We're going
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: to record Real Housewives there and I said I'm not
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: going tonight and I'm not going ever again, and I've
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: never gone to another service.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: She says, you know that was that was a fake service.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: And she says individuals still caught in those walls are
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: not seeing the true signs. When things seem off, You
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: need to take a step back and look. You don't
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: have to live under spiritual abuse. You don't have to
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: live under religious abuse. God is love and if you
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: don't feel love and freedom, then you should find something else.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: Michael Michael Enox says people in that church are delusional.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: God don't wear Louis Vauton and the devil don't wear Prada,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: but baby he wears Chanel. That was the perfect way
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: to end it. That was the ending, black screen of
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: death tells us. At the end, Robert Cosby Senior no
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: longer appeal appears on the Real House Office of Salt
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Lake City.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: Due to issues with production.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Mary Cosby's mother, Rosalind, died during the making of this documentary.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Produce Re treashed out to Mary and Robert Cosby. They
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: declined to be interviewed or to comment on any of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: the allegations made in this program.
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  Speaker 4: I will tell you.
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  Speaker 1: That when Mary before season five started and Mary wasn't
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: watch What Happens Live Andy. Andy asked her, now, why
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  Speaker 1: did you decide to come back. She goes, y'all needed me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know they did. She goes, I'm here. I'm
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  Speaker 1: here to help you.
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  Speaker 4: And he just laughed.
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  Speaker 3: She was right because I mean, and I have to
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  Speaker 3: agree with her because they had a couple of seasons.
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  Speaker 2: They was like, uh, Mary came back and now we're
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: all fucking loving Salt City again.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: And he said, so we're gonna see Robert Senior on
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the show. She goes, no, and he said why not,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: and she goes, he don't like you.
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  Speaker 3: He don't like you.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: And Andy goes, he didn't like me, and she goes.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: She goes, no, he didn't like you. He didn't like production.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: So no, he won't be on the show. So he
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: wants to again.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody needs that old grandpa farting around. He was grumpy.
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  Speaker 2: He brought nothing to the so you know, Jersey husbands
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: bring a little bit something to the ship rather absolutely
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: nothing to the ship.
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  Speaker 3: I agree, I crak. That's it.
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  Speaker 4: We did it.
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  Speaker 1: It was twenty three pages of notes and boom, we
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: did it in less than an hour and a half.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so proud we did. I'm so proud. I thought
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: it was a very good documentary. Everybody I would recommend it.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I thought it was well done. I think that some
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: people I talked to that had also seen it didn't
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  Speaker 1: like all of the clips of the social media and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: the and the air quote bloggers and all that.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't like all that. But I disagree.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: I think that it's needed in a documentary like this
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: because so much of the story is driven by an
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: article and then that gets tractional social media and then
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: the TikToker start looking into it, and so yeah, because
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the story like this is so driven by social media,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think you needed it.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: I think you think that, Yeah, you do, you do,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: because so much information we get straight from social media.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: And how much chatter was about it.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: So if somebody goes into Lost just like sort of
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: knowing what the housewives are, but they don't really know,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: they're just going to watch this documentary, it sort of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: helps to see how many people are talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I thought I thought it was I thought
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  Speaker 4: it was a good.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Element, but some other people didn't like it. It would
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: have been only it had only been two episodes. If
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't have had all that, it would have been less.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: That is true. That is true, but I feel like
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: it was still needed. I was.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: I agreed, watch everybody.
• 1:09:56
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  Speaker 3: Bye bye,