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EXPLOSIVE EPSTEIN SEX PROBE FILE DROP: EPSTEIN BROTHER & VICTIM SPEAK · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Birds of a feather flock
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Speaker 1: together Epstein and Juliane Maxwell.
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Speaker 2: There were literally hundreds of victims.
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Speaker 3: It makes me sick, gag.
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Speaker 2: Hundreds of young girls who had been traffic by Epstein
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Speaker 2: and Maxwell.
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Speaker 3: Her name is like dirt in my mouth. There is
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Speaker 3: no missed lies. I never heard that lies.
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Speaker 4: I never imagined it lies.
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Speaker 3: There they are on their private plane. You know what
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Speaker 3: bite me?
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Speaker 5: This Epstein story is never going to end.
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Speaker 3: People connected to this case or dropping dead light flies.
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Speaker 6: He was a master manipulator.
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Speaker 1: He's having dinner with Satan tonight.
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Speaker 7: What you're going to see is a lot of flight logs,
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Speaker 7: a lot of names, a lot of information.
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Speaker 3: But it's pretty sick what.
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Speaker 2: That man did.
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Speaker 7: A source had told me where the documents were being kept,
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Speaker 7: Southern District of New York.
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Speaker 3: Shock.
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Speaker 7: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them.
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Speaker 3: Friday at eight am.
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Speaker 7: Thousands of pages of documents. I have the FBI going
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Speaker 7: through them. Director Patel is going to get us a
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Speaker 7: detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of
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Speaker 7: those documents.
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Speaker 3: That is from our friends at Fox News.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now is a very special guest Spencer couven
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Speaker 1: chief legal officer, Gold Law, who has represented nine Epstein victims.
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Speaker 1: Nine nine now prosecuted a lot of cases, and when
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Speaker 1: I would have three or four victims, that would be
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Speaker 1: like an avalanche. You a single lawyer have represented nine,
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Speaker 1: which tells me that there are many many more out there,
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Speaker 1: probably that we don't even know about.
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Speaker 2: I've been representing victims going back to the original prosecution
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Speaker 2: of this case in Palm Beach. I represented victim number one,
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Speaker 2: that was a fourteen year old girl that I helped
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Speaker 2: walk through the criminal justice and then subsequently the civil
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Speaker 2: justice system, which started the landfall of future victims of
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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein. I can tell you that in my contacts
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Speaker 2: with the FBI during those investigations, there were literally hundreds
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Speaker 2: of victims, hundreds of young girls who had been trafficked
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Speaker 2: by Epstein and Maxwell. They were out there, and then
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Speaker 2: there were more than hundreds that actually submitted claims when
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Speaker 2: the funds were seized over in the Virgin Islands after
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Speaker 2: his arrest. So the victims are numerous, the stories are voluminous.
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Speaker 2: They involve high profile individuals in the business community, high
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Speaker 2: profile politician, royalty, you name it. Jeffrey Epstein had the
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Speaker 2: goods on all of them, and there were a lot
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Speaker 2: of people. I have no doubt that we're afraid of
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Speaker 2: what he had to say.
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Speaker 1: Dylan Howard is with US investigative journalists and author of
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Speaker 1: Epstein Dead.
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Speaker 3: Men Tell No Tales.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious as to why the documents are not
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Speaker 1: being disclosed now. Dylan Howard, you suggest a nefarious relationship
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Speaker 1: between Trump and Epstein. Many celebrities take photos that later
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Speaker 1: they wish they hadn't taken. Photos alone do not indicate
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Speaker 1: wrongdoing on behalf of Trump. But I will tell you
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Speaker 1: what is a smoking.
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Speaker 3: Gun to me.
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Speaker 1: We were told the documents would be released. Now we're
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Speaker 1: being told there's nothing to see. If there's nothing to see,
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Speaker 1: why not release them.
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Speaker 8: No, Natal, I'm not suggested see an afarious link between
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Speaker 8: Trump and Epstein. What I'm saying is that there has
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Speaker 8: been a search for an afarious link between Trump and Epstein.
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Speaker 8: But I think that obscures somewhat the real crux of
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Speaker 8: the matter here, and that is that there is significant
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Speaker 8: intelligence in the hands of the Department of Justice and
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Speaker 8: the FBI that has not been released to the American people.
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Speaker 8: And we know that through various motions that have been
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Speaker 8: put forward in various civil cases in which the SDNY
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Speaker 8: the Southern District of New York, has argued that the
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Speaker 8: release of those Epstein files could quote reasonably be expected
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Speaker 8: to interfere with a potential appeal of Epstein's.
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Speaker 1: I know, I've never seen prosecutors so worried about the
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Speaker 1: interests of a convicted felon. I eat Julane Maxwell, and
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Speaker 1: this goes back to before Bondy. The promise that these
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Speaker 1: die huments would be released and that any co conspirator
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Speaker 1: would be prosecutor goes all the way back to Attorney
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Speaker 1: General William Barr.
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Speaker 9: This case will continue on against anyone who was complicit
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Speaker 9: with Epstein. Any co conspirators should not rest easy.
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Speaker 3: That's my friends at CBS.
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Speaker 1: Let's just remind everyone what this case is about. Listen
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Speaker 1: to Virginia Jeffrey, one of the five individuals who allegedly
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Speaker 1: committed suicide connected to the Epstein case.
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Speaker 10: You said, take off your clothes. I had these little
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Speaker 10: girl undies on, like little hearts on them, I remember,
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Speaker 10: and they were laughing at that because they liked that
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Speaker 10: the younger you look, the better it is. It turned
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Speaker 10: into it turns very sexual, and it was abused straight
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Speaker 10: away from both of them. I had been a runaway
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Speaker 10: and I had been abused before.
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Speaker 3: So to have this, you know, ability to.
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Speaker 10: Get educ and do something with my life, I thought
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Speaker 10: I was turning around.
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Speaker 1: That's one my friends at Miami Harold and ITV News
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Speaker 1: and Lifetime, Dylan Howard. That's what this case is all about,
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Speaker 1: the trafficking and exploitation of what we now believe to
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Speaker 1: be thousands of little girls. Now, why on God's green
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Speaker 1: earth would we not want to release files about the
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Speaker 1: desecration and the victimization of little girls.
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Speaker 8: At the very heart of this lies a very deep
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Speaker 8: and disturbing question. If Jeffrey Epstein was operating a child
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Speaker 8: sex ring, was he doing it for his own sexual
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Speaker 8: proclivities or was he doing it for a perhaps far
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Speaker 8: more nefarious cause. And I think the answer lies there.
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Speaker 1: We have proof that Jeffrey Epstein's child sex trafficking ring
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Speaker 1: spans much further.
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Speaker 3: Than just the US.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about proof that girls as young as twelve
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Speaker 1: years old were flown from various countries to Epstein's island,
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Speaker 1: where they were handed over like a pizza delivery to
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein and his wealthy clients joining us tonight is
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Speaker 1: a very special guest, Barry Levine. Barry is the author
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Speaker 1: of an incredible book called Listen to This, The Spider
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Speaker 1: inside the Tangled Web of Jeffrey Epstein and Gilaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: The fact that Epstein wasn't just finding teen girls in
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Speaker 1: Florida that were usually underprivileged, single parent home, no money,
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Speaker 1: no hopes. He wasn't just praying on them. This sex
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Speaker 1: child sex trafficking ring is a lot bigger than a
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Speaker 1: few rolls down upon beach. We are talking about Europe.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about Eastern Europe. We are talking about children,
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Speaker 1: girls as young as twelve years old, being put on
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Speaker 1: planes and flown to the US Virgin Islands, delivered like
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Speaker 1: a pizza to Jeffrey Epstein and then his French counterpart,
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Speaker 1: Jean le Brunelle, is dead behind bars.
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Speaker 3: Wow, what a coincidink. You have uncovered evidence that this
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Speaker 3: is a world wide operation.
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Speaker 11: Explain that's absolutely correct, Nancy, And I'm hoping that if
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Speaker 11: we ever get into these Epstein files, three hundred gigabytes
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Speaker 11: of material, that hundreds of thousands of pages, that we
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Speaker 11: will help uncover the enable who assisted Jeffrey Epstein. Now, Nansen,
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Speaker 11: you have to remember that after Jeffrey Epstein received that
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Speaker 11: slap on the risk conviction down in Florida in two
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Speaker 11: thousand and eight, it's part of that non prosecution agreement
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Speaker 11: in which he only had a plead guilty to state
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Speaker 11: charges for solicitation of a miner and was given a
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Speaker 11: sweetheart deal of fourteen months behind bars, of which most
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Speaker 11: of the time he was nine.
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Speaker 1: I just want to tell you something. You're actually making
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Speaker 1: my stomach hurt. It's actually hurting right now. If I'd
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Speaker 1: have gotten a hold of this guy, he would have
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Speaker 1: been under the jail, under the jail, and he actually
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Speaker 1: had his limo pick him up, his limo at the
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Speaker 1: Palmies jail and drive him wherever he wanted to go.
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Speaker 1: That's not punishment, absolutely right, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: It was sickening in terms of of that slap on
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Speaker 11: the wrist in Florida. At the time, the FBI wanted
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Speaker 11: to put him away for seventy five years, and then
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Speaker 11: he got that sweetheart deal. And when he was out
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Speaker 11: on work release, he had a ankle bracelet and he
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Speaker 11: was having sex. As I reported in my book with
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Speaker 11: Victims while he had the ankle monitor on his leg.
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Speaker 1: Little girls, and I believe you can prove this. Little
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Speaker 1: girls as young as twelve being flown from Russia, Turkey
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Speaker 1: and beyond two the Virgin Islands, delivered directly to Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: There are witnesses that see the little girls getting off
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Speaker 1: the plane and going to his mansion, not just one,
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Speaker 1: not just to a steady string. There are thousands of victims,
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Speaker 1: which leads me to who and the hell are the
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Speaker 1: other men that can are wealthy enough to pay to
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Speaker 1: fly to us Virgin Islands and have with a twelve
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Speaker 1: year old girl. By god, I am not letting this go, Levain,
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Speaker 1: and you shouldn't.
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Speaker 11: And the American public and the victims, over a thousand
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Speaker 11: victims want answers. And that's why we need to open
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Speaker 11: up these FBI files. And we know that it was horrific.
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Speaker 11: He made the girls call him the godfather. He had
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Speaker 11: a gun strap to one of his bedposts. One victim
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Speaker 11: was so terrified that she actually attempted to swim off
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Speaker 11: the island, only to turn back when she realized the
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Speaker 11: water currents and so forth. This was a island of
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Speaker 11: hearts that Jeffrey Epstein brought these girls to and only
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Speaker 11: now are we beginning to learn some of the circumstances.
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Speaker 1: In the last hour to start reversal from the White House,
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Speaker 1: Trump now claiming he wants the Epstein files release after
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Speaker 1: much furor over the past months. Joining us tonight is
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Speaker 1: a very special guest who has once again landed at
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Speaker 1: the forefront of the national news because of Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 3: May Epstein rot in Hell.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to start, of course, the news of the
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Speaker 1: night is President Trump's stark reversal on releasing the Epstein files,
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Speaker 1: and they are volume us. The twenty thousand documents we've
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Speaker 1: gotten so far as only a very small.
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Speaker 3: Percentage of what there is.
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Speaker 1: Just imagine it goes bay years and years and years
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Speaker 1: and Allen, I'm very curious as to why this has
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Speaker 1: been such an obstacle in DC, why these files have
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Speaker 1: been like hide the ball.
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Speaker 3: From the very beginning.
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Speaker 1: We've gotten conflicting statements. We've been told by BONDI they're
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Speaker 1: sitting right here on my desk, I've got the client list.
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Speaker 3: But then climbing, Oh, there is no such thing. Do
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Speaker 3: they think we're idiots?
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Speaker 12: Alan, Well, there is a list, a list of FBI
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Speaker 12: names that the FBI got in interviewing the victims.
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Speaker 13: And there is such a list.
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Speaker 14: I've seen it, and the names have been redacted, some
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Speaker 14: of them has been made public. Being on the list
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Speaker 14: doesn't necessarily mean you're guilty. It means somebody has accused you.
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Speaker 14: But there is such a list. There's no Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 14: client list.
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Speaker 13: He didn't have a.
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Speaker 12: Little book in which he said, this woman is going
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Speaker 12: to go to this guy, this woman is going to
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Speaker 12: go here or there. There's no such list like that.
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Speaker 12: But the FBI does have names that they're suppressing. And
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Speaker 12: the judges, judges, this is the important point. Judges have
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Speaker 12: been suppressing information. They have sealed depositions.
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Speaker 13: And I think that your program, other programs have the
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Speaker 13: right to go to court and say, look, please, the
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Speaker 13: public has the right to see that, let's unseal these depositions.
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Speaker 13: But right now, nobody benefits from suppression. And that's why
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Speaker 13: I'm so upset at courts, courts, federal judges keeping names out.
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Speaker 13: They shouldn't be doing that.
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Speaker 1: What do you think is going to happen allan, Now,
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Speaker 1: will we ever get the truth?
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Speaker 15: I think so.
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Speaker 4: I think we're going to get the truth.
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Speaker 13: I think there's so much public pressure and there's so
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Speaker 13: much pressure from Congress. I think in the end everything
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Speaker 13: will come out.
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Speaker 12: It will exculpate innocent people like me, It will incumbate
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Speaker 12: guilty people, and I don't know who they are, but
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Speaker 12: whoever they are should be found guilty.
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Speaker 13: And I think in the end the truth will prevail.
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Speaker 16: The light has been.
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Speaker 13: Treated unfairly for over five years now.
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Speaker 2: If you looked up the scapegoat in the dictionary, her
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Speaker 2: face would be next to the definition, next to the
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Speaker 2: dictionary definition of it.
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Speaker 11: She's telling the truth.
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Speaker 8: She's got no reason to lie at that point, and
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Speaker 8: she's going to.
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Speaker 17: Keep telling the truth.
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Speaker 1: Thank you probably have today.
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Speaker 3: What is he saying? That's for our friends at the
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Speaker 3: Telehassee Democrat.
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Speaker 1: Of course, that's Klaine Maxwell's defense lawyer saying, if you
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Speaker 1: look up scapegoat in the dictionary, her face would be
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Speaker 1: next to it. Okay, she may be a scapegoat because
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Speaker 1: everyone was angry Epstein didn't go to trial.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't mean she's innocent. Jelainne Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: Maybe the key to the client list, as we call
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Speaker 1: it euphemistically, young girls that were lured by Julaine Maxwell
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Speaker 1: say she is sinister, that she's worse than Epstein himself.
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Speaker 1: The federal government also calls her quote crafty listen.
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Speaker 18: Federal prosecutors wrote in Galaine Maxwell's sentencing memorandum that the
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Speaker 18: socialite displayed a significant pattern of this on his conduct.
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Speaker 18: They noted several instances of Maxwell lying under oath. In
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Speaker 18: twenty two twenty one, Maxwell told the court, I have
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Speaker 18: committed no crime, which was demonstrably false. In a twenty
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Speaker 18: sixteen deposition, Maxwell Clayton she never gave victim Annie Farmer
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Speaker 18: a massage, but Farmer's testimony at trial established that as
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Speaker 18: a lie. Maxwell also lied about her assets while applying
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Speaker 18: for bail. Prosecutors wrote, in short, the defendant decides when
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Speaker 18: she wishes to disclose facts to the court, and those
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Speaker 18: facts shift when it serves the defendant's interests.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is, who do you think Epsen's
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Speaker 1: hanging around with nuns and priests and Vergence.
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Speaker 3: No, he's with Jelaine.
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Speaker 1: Maxwell, Julaine Maxwell, his hinch person, his bills, Abob has
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Speaker 1: been transferred to a cushy, dormitory style jail, and she
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Speaker 1: gives hours and hours of statements, all of them a
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Speaker 1: pack of lies. Is she trying to curry favor to
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Speaker 1: pave the way to a pardon? Well, speaking of her lies,
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear one right off the top.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 19: So, there's been a lot of conversations about whether mister
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Speaker 19: Epstein maintained like a list of people, like a book of.
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Speaker 20: Famous people that he knew.
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Speaker 19: Like a it's called a black book, or a.
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Speaker 8: Client list or a list.
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Speaker 4: Did you know of the existence of any such list.
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Speaker 4: There is no list. We'll start with that.
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Speaker 21: The genesis of that story I can actually trace for
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Speaker 21: you from its absolute inception. If that is what you're
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Speaker 21: interested in.
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Speaker 4: First, you know to be sure there is no list.
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Speaker 4: There's no client list, nothing like that. No, there's nothing.
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Speaker 4: You know that. I'm obviously.
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Speaker 2: During the time that you were with.
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Speaker 20: Mister Epstein, and even in the two thousands when you
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Speaker 20: were around less frequently, you never observed or univer saw
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Speaker 20: any sort of list or black book or a list
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Speaker 20: of individuals who linked to certain messuses or anything like that.
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Speaker 21: Absolutely no, there is no list. There is no I'm
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Speaker 21: not aware of any blackmail. I never heard, I never
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Speaker 21: heard that, I never saw it, and I never I
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Speaker 21: never imagined it. So The original statement that Brad Edwards
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Speaker 21: makes that's in the documents temporaneously is that it's pieces
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Speaker 21: of paper.
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Speaker 4: That Alfredo has.
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Speaker 21: It then morphs into something that Alfredo took, a book
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Speaker 21: that Alfredo took from Epstein's computer. But there's no computer
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Speaker 21: I know, certainly not in two thousand and five when
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Speaker 21: this was allegedly taken. That came out as a book,
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Speaker 21: and then it morphed into at the Civil Times, my
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Speaker 21: civil cases, into a book that was taken from my computer,
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Speaker 21: and then it moved into the Southern District of New
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Speaker 21: York as a combination list of Mina and Epstein's.
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Speaker 4: That is.
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Speaker 21: A metamorphosis through documents that you can trace.
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Speaker 1: What in the world is she trying to say, joining
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Speaker 1: me Crime Stories investigative reporter Sidney Sumner, She's talking about
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Speaker 1: someone named Alfredo Rodriguez. And isn't that Epstein's butler. Yes,
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Speaker 1: of course he had a butler. Explain what she's saying,
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Speaker 1: Sidney Sumner.
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Speaker 16: Here she's saying that the purported client list that everyone
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Speaker 16: is freaking out about wants to see doesn't really exist.
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Speaker 16: But to get Blanche up to speed on where exactly
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Speaker 16: this rumor came from, she it goes all the way
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Speaker 16: back to two thousand and nine, when Epstein has just
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Speaker 16: been criminally investigated the first time and civil suits are
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Speaker 16: now coming out against him. So Maxwell claims that this
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Speaker 16: law firm that was a little bit shady took on
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Speaker 16: a lot of these Epstein victim civil suit pieces, and
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Speaker 16: one of those attorneys was working with Epstein's butler to
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Speaker 16: get evidence against him. So that's where Alfredo Rodriguez comes in.
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Speaker 16: And so what they claimed, what this lawyer claimed to
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Speaker 16: be a client list was really just in address book
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Speaker 16: that the butler went through and apparently circled or marked
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Speaker 16: people who were involved in this trafficking ring.
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Speaker 1: Okay, sounds like evidence to me. Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: So first of all, Gallain Maxwell, in her effort to
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Speaker 1: get a pardon, says there is no client list.
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Speaker 3: Let's hear what else she has to say.
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Speaker 22: Maxwell denies every aspect of Virginia Geffray's victimization, says she
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Speaker 22: never recruited messuses. Maxwell insists Jeffrey is lying about this
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Speaker 22: with Prince Andrew. Maxwell says Jeffrey used evidence from flight
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Speaker 22: logs to fabricate the story, saying she was busy with
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Speaker 22: her mom's eightieth birthday, her home in London was not
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Speaker 22: a suitable venue for royalty. In Jeffrey's description of her bathroom,
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Speaker 22: where Prince Andrew allegedly was missing unforgettable details.
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Speaker 20: When you were just asked about the photo, you said
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Speaker 20: you actually thought the photo was fake. Do you think
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Speaker 20: it was just misstated or do you think it's literally
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Speaker 20: a fake photo.
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Speaker 4: I believe it's literally a fake Good Why do you
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Speaker 4: think that? Well, first of all, I don't remember it.
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Speaker 21: Well, okay, but the outfit I'm wearing is the outfit
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Speaker 21: from my mom's birthday body.
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Speaker 20: So but you don't have any Do you dispute that
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Speaker 20: they've met each other?
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Speaker 4: Do you know whether they've met each other? I do
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Speaker 4: not know that they meant okay.
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Speaker 20: So you not only so you think the photographs fake,
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Speaker 20: but you also are not even positive they actually ever
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Speaker 20: met each other. So you don't have a specific recollection
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Speaker 20: of kind of being at an event or a party
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Speaker 20: or your apartment. You're flat London with Prince Andrew and.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely let's listen to Prince Andrew speaking to the BBC.
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Speaker 23: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London
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Speaker 23: because when I go out to When I go out
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Speaker 23: in London, I wear a suit and a tie.
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Speaker 4: That's what I.
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Speaker 23: Would describe is those are my traveling clothes.
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Speaker 3: That's me.
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Speaker 23: But whether that's my hand or whether that's the position,
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Speaker 23: but I don't know. I have simply no recollection of
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Speaker 23: a photograph ever being taken. The photograph is taken upstairs,
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Speaker 23: and I don't think I have a went upstairs.
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Speaker 4: In Galln's height.
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Speaker 1: That's through our friends that maybe saying that is exactly
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Speaker 1: why defendants are told keep your yap shut, exercise your
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Speaker 1: right to the Fifth Amendment. Because Andrew just it got
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Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: proof that that.
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Speaker 24: Photo was real. Despite Gallaine Maxwell's insistence the photo of her,
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Speaker 24: Virginia Goofray and Prince Andrew is a flat out fake,
23:47
Speaker 24: the Mail on Sunday says they saw the proof it
23:50
Speaker 24: is real. Mail on Sunday photographer Michael Thomas took the
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Speaker 24: pictures that first ran in twenty eleven of the original
23:56
Speaker 24: printed photo. Thomas saw a Walgreens received for the Prince.
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Speaker 24: I'm a location just a few miles from Gufray's West
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Speaker 24: Palm Beach home and now Nearly fifteen years later, Thomas
24:05
Speaker 24: realized he also photographed the back of the print. The
24:09
Speaker 24: back of the photo is stamped with the print date
24:11
Speaker 24: March thirteen, two thousand and one, just three days after
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Speaker 24: Gufrey was trafficked to the prints in London.
24:22
Speaker 1: It's not just about a client list, a little black book,
24:25
Speaker 1: or videos. It's about a potential murder. Yes of Epstein.
24:32
Speaker 1: You may not care about his life, but don't you
24:36
Speaker 1: care about the truth. Don't you want to know what
24:40
Speaker 1: really happened and what happened to the other four people
24:43
Speaker 1: connected to this case who all committed suicide? Joining me
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic Jacksonville State University, author of
24:52
Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet, and he's the star of a
24:54
Speaker 1: hit podcast, Body Bags, with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe Scott,
24:59
Speaker 1: you and I both say that you know, if I
25:02
Speaker 1: were a better I take vegas odds Epstein was murdered.
25:07
Speaker 1: Now I'm throwing out vegas odds, but you have reasons
25:11
Speaker 1: to think he's.
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Speaker 3: He was murdered. What is he number four or five.
25:15
Speaker 1: Connected to this case that has committed or had an
25:19
Speaker 1: OD And you know if there are thousands and thousands
25:22
Speaker 1: of victims Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 3: As the files indicate that there are.
25:27
Speaker 1: I mean, this goes back for decades, and you get
25:30
Speaker 1: a new little girl every week. It adds up, right,
25:34
Speaker 1: who else may have committed or died that could have testified? Yes,
25:39
Speaker 1: she wants out, I guess. So why do you think
25:41
Speaker 1: Epstein was murdered?
25:43
Speaker 4: Well?
25:43
Speaker 17: Because, well, first off, the Emmy in New York made
25:47
Speaker 17: a critical error of using the term soft, which means
25:50
Speaker 17: that you kind of slide into a noose where you're supported.
25:55
Speaker 17: It doesn't have to be a total suspension hanging.
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Speaker 1: When you say a soft hanging, are you talking about
25:59
Speaker 1: like Robin Williams, where you attach something to the back
26:03
Speaker 1: of your bed or your doorknob and you lean forward
26:05
Speaker 1: to it as opposed to a violent droped down from
26:09
Speaker 1: a raft or don't break your neck in the hanging.
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Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about?
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 17: Most people associate say it man with old judicial hangings
26:19
Speaker 17: where there's a lot of violence. That's not what they're saying. However,
26:23
Speaker 17: the evidence bears that there was something else going on.
26:26
Speaker 17: He's got two and I say, two thyroid fractures, and
26:30
Speaker 17: this is a cartilaginous body. It is cartilage like in
26:33
Speaker 17: your nose right here, So he's got two cartilage fractures
26:37
Speaker 17: right here. And then if you go up on the
26:40
Speaker 17: left side, the hyoid is very high in the neck.
26:43
Speaker 17: That's why it generally is not fractured in a hanging.
26:46
Speaker 17: And the left greater horn it's kind of bird shape
26:50
Speaker 17: the great the left greater horn is snapped off a tip.
26:53
Speaker 17: He's also got some other curious insults to his body,
26:57
Speaker 17: his deltoid or right here where the neck kind of
27:01
Speaker 17: dumps into the shoulder. He's got a deep tissue bruise
27:04
Speaker 17: right here, which is not going to be associated with
27:06
Speaker 17: the hanging Nancy. He's also got these kind of faint
27:10
Speaker 17: bruises that they documented on both the wrist and the ankles.
27:14
Speaker 17: There's a lot of violence that has been associated with
27:17
Speaker 17: his death, or evidence of it, at least some kind
27:19
Speaker 17: of trauma.
27:21
Speaker 1: Joining us tonight is a very special guest, Mark Epstein.
27:26
Speaker 1: This is the biological brother of Jeffrey Epstein, now dead.
27:34
Speaker 1: Mister Epstein, thank you for.
27:35
Speaker 3: Being with us.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome, Mark, if I may call you that. Sure,
27:41
Speaker 1: you have been disturbed from day one about the claim
27:46
Speaker 1: your brother, Jeffrey Epstein committed to you say that did
27:54
Speaker 1: not happen.
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Speaker 15: Why when I first heard that Jeffrey was found dead
27:58
Speaker 15: from the parent suicide, I heard it on CNN. The
28:03
Speaker 15: government didn't notify me as they claimed. I heard it
28:05
Speaker 15: on CNN. And at first I had no reason to
28:08
Speaker 15: doubt that, because, you know, I knew he was in jail,
28:10
Speaker 15: he was potentially facing a very long term. I knew
28:13
Speaker 15: he wouldn't want to live like that. He didn't have
28:15
Speaker 15: any children to worry about. Our parents are gone, and
28:18
Speaker 15: he wouldn't have to worry about me. So there was
28:21
Speaker 15: no reason to doubt that. But then the next day,
28:24
Speaker 15: the next morning, I had to I had to identify
28:28
Speaker 15: his body because I'm the next of kin, and they
28:30
Speaker 15: did the autopsy, and so far, you know the same thing.
28:34
Speaker 15: I just assumed it was a suicide. But then the
28:37
Speaker 15: city pathologist who did of the autopsy, with Michael Bottom,
28:42
Speaker 15: there's forensic pathologists on my behalf of witnessing this. They
28:46
Speaker 15: both came out of the autopsy room and they said
28:48
Speaker 15: they couldn't call it a suicide because it looked too
28:51
Speaker 15: much like a homicide. And then a few days later,
28:55
Speaker 15: Barbara Sampson, who was the chief medical examiner. She declares
28:59
Speaker 15: it was a suicide. And let's be clear, Barbara Sampson
29:03
Speaker 15: never saw the body. She wasn't at the autopsy, and
29:07
Speaker 15: after the autopsy was over that day, we blamed the body,
29:12
Speaker 15: so she never saw it. Also a few days after
29:14
Speaker 15: the death, Bill Barr, an Attorney General, came out publicly
29:19
Speaker 15: and stated that he saw the video and he saw
29:22
Speaker 15: that nobody went in or out of the tier, and
29:24
Speaker 15: that convinced him it was a suicide. And when I
29:27
Speaker 15: heard that, I thought, this is ridiculous to assume that
29:30
Speaker 15: it was a suicide because nobody went in or out
29:33
Speaker 15: when there were twelve other prisoners on that tier. I
29:36
Speaker 15: would not have to go in or out of that
29:37
Speaker 15: door if they were going to kill somebody on the tier.
29:40
Speaker 15: And I was told that should doors were left unlocked
29:44
Speaker 15: that night, And I was also told by somebody who
29:48
Speaker 15: was familiar with the prison that they weren't surprised to
29:50
Speaker 15: hear that. And also to think that somebody could get
29:53
Speaker 15: to Jeffrey's tier, go inside, you kill somebody, and then
29:57
Speaker 15: leave completely undetected. It's just like a stupid statement that
30:01
Speaker 15: you know, that's not what you're based on. We can't
30:04
Speaker 15: find out who the other prisoners on that tier were,
30:08
Speaker 15: when did they get there, and where are they now.
30:11
Speaker 15: There's been no interviews of all the prisoners on the tier,
30:14
Speaker 15: which would normally be done in a situation like that.
30:17
Speaker 15: There's no record of that. And then also the night
30:20
Speaker 15: when they locked up, but we have there as a
30:23
Speaker 15: record of you know, we know about the two gods
30:26
Speaker 15: that got in trouble, you know, because they weren't doing
30:28
Speaker 15: the rounds, you know, Toby Noel and Michael Thomas. No
30:30
Speaker 15: Michael Thomas came on shift in the middle of the night,
30:34
Speaker 15: so he wasn't there when they locked up the tier.
30:37
Speaker 15: And there's never any there's never ever just one guard there.
30:40
Speaker 15: On the reports, there's mentioned of an unnamed guard number
30:43
Speaker 15: one and an unnamed guard number two. There are questions
30:47
Speaker 15: who are they and why are they unnamed? Are they
30:49
Speaker 15: actual prison guards? Could they have been put there to,
30:53
Speaker 15: you know, to kill somebody and then they disappeared into
30:56
Speaker 15: ether without any record of who they are. It's all
30:59
Speaker 15: these unanswered questions that in a normal wear on his face,
31:04
Speaker 15: even if it was a suicide, these questions would not
31:06
Speaker 15: be kept secrets.
31:07
Speaker 1: Mister Cooben joining US Chief Legal Officer gold to Law,
31:11
Speaker 1: who has represented nine and counting Epstein victims. Are any
31:16
Speaker 1: of your clients worried about how people connected to this
31:19
Speaker 1: case or dropping dead light flies?
31:21
Speaker 2: First of all, the moment he was re arrested in
31:24
Speaker 2: New York when his plane landed, or New Jersey at
31:27
Speaker 2: that moment, I did an interview shortly thereafter, advising the
31:31
Speaker 2: general public he was never making it out alive, and
31:36
Speaker 2: you know, prophetically he didn't. I was one of the
31:38
Speaker 2: first ones that said he wouldn't make it out alive,
31:40
Speaker 2: and frankly, I continue to be a disbeliever in the
31:44
Speaker 2: story that's been populated by the FEDS and the Department
31:47
Speaker 2: of Justice. There are just way too many connections here.
31:50
Speaker 2: I can also tell you exclusively because I don't know
31:53
Speaker 2: that I've ever talked about this before, but shortly after
31:57
Speaker 2: he passed in jail, I received a call from one
32:00
Speaker 2: of the guards at the facility who had retired. This
32:03
Speaker 2: is somebody that wasn't working there at the time, but
32:06
Speaker 2: was able to speak with me on authority because he
32:10
Speaker 2: had worked there and said, there is no way that
32:13
Speaker 2: someone within that type of a facility could have the
32:16
Speaker 2: opportunity to commit suicide. This is the most secure, one
32:20
Speaker 2: of the most secure prisons we have in the United States.
32:22
Speaker 2: It is a prison within a prison within a prison.
32:26
Speaker 2: It is three levels of high security, constantly monitored. And
32:30
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable to him that somebody in there would
32:34
Speaker 2: potentially be able to commit suicide. And then look at
32:37
Speaker 2: the photographs. This is a gentleman that was on suicide
32:39
Speaker 2: Watch just a few weeks prior, and yet they give
32:42
Speaker 2: him sheets, and they give him pill bottles, and they
32:45
Speaker 2: give him wires. In the photographs, you can see all
32:49
Speaker 2: of the things that they gave him that potentially they
32:53
Speaker 2: could then use later to say, oh, well, look at
32:55
Speaker 2: all this stuff he used to commit suicide.
33:01
Speaker 1: Rearing its ugly head is the accusation that the jail
33:08
Speaker 1: video has been edited from the night of Epstein's death.
33:15
Speaker 1: His own brother refuses to call it a suicide.
33:20
Speaker 24: Listen to this challenging ag Bondi's claim of one minute
33:24
Speaker 24: of epstein prison video is missing due to a daily reset.
33:27
Speaker 24: Wired reports the video was cut together in Adobe Premiere
33:31
Speaker 24: Pro from two video files. If true, this contradicts the
33:35
Speaker 24: Justice Department claimed that footage was raw metadata from the
33:39
Speaker 24: raw Epstein prison video shows approximately two minutes and fifty
33:42
Speaker 24: three seconds were removed from one of two stitched together clips,
33:47
Speaker 24: and the cut starts right at the missing minute.
33:50
Speaker 1: Now keep in mind there are five suicides connected to
33:56
Speaker 1: the Epstein investigation.
33:59
Speaker 3: Who are they?
34:00
Speaker 1: Number one obviously Epstein, Number two, his French counterpart, the
34:06
Speaker 1: French Epstein who was accused and behind bars on supplying
34:12
Speaker 1: under age girls.
34:13
Speaker 3: Who else?
34:14
Speaker 1: Virginia Jeffrey and two other Epstein victims, all who could.
34:21
Speaker 24: Have testified In a deep dive into the metadata embedded
34:25
Speaker 24: in the video presented to the American people as quote.
34:28
Speaker 24: Raw Wired published analysis indicating the file was assembled from
34:32
Speaker 24: at least two different source clips saved multiple times over
34:36
Speaker 24: a period of more than three hours on May twenty third,
34:39
Speaker 24: twenty twenty five. The file was then created at four
34:42
Speaker 24: forty eight pm and last modified at eight sixteen pm
34:45
Speaker 24: the same day, and uploaded to the Justice Department's website,
34:49
Speaker 24: where the edited clip is presented as raw footage.
34:53
Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Story's investigative reporter who has poured through
34:57
Speaker 1: countless documents and interviews. Dave mac we first heard that
35:02
Speaker 1: there was a glitch in the video recording system where
35:06
Speaker 1: Epstein was housed behind bars. There were a lot of
35:12
Speaker 1: glitches that night, weren't there, Dave mac two guards on
35:17
Speaker 1: duty in view of Epstein. He could see them, and
35:21
Speaker 1: they could see him. They didn't have to watch the
35:25
Speaker 1: surveillance video. Both of them either fell asleep or went
35:29
Speaker 1: online shopping at the time, he committed. But it's not
35:34
Speaker 1: just one minute. There's not just one minute missing from
35:40
Speaker 1: the jail house video, is there?
35:42
Speaker 24: Dave Mac correct Nancy that one minute that Attorney General
35:48
Speaker 24: Bondi has been popping about the reset of the video
35:52
Speaker 24: at eleven fifty eight fifty eight, saying that was because
35:56
Speaker 24: it was a nineteen ninety nine system. Well, it might
36:00
Speaker 24: be explainable if that was the only problem here. But
36:04
Speaker 24: in total, two minutes and fifty three seconds of video
36:08
Speaker 24: appears to have been manipulated and is missing. They're able
36:13
Speaker 24: to go in and look at these computer programs and
36:15
Speaker 24: how they're used. They can tell when you make a
36:17
Speaker 24: cut in the video, and when you join two separate
36:20
Speaker 24: pieces together. They can look and see from your keyboard
36:24
Speaker 24: strokes everything that's been done, to the point where they're
36:27
Speaker 24: able to see how.
36:28
Speaker 16: This piece of video is cut, how it was.
36:30
Speaker 24: Been saved, another piece is cut and saved, and then
36:35
Speaker 24: the two pieces are brought together. The problem is when
36:38
Speaker 24: you do all that and then present it as supposed
36:41
Speaker 24: raw footage.
36:43
Speaker 1: And it was absolutely titled raw footage, raw footage, which
36:48
Speaker 1: means unedited. But you could see the jumps as we
36:51
Speaker 1: call them in this business. The jumps video is splices
36:55
Speaker 1: together listen.
36:57
Speaker 24: Information has not been released about the inmates and sells
37:00
Speaker 24: adjacent to Epstein. In the days leading up to his death.
37:02
Speaker 24: There were twelve to fourteen inmates near Epstein, but no
37:05
Speaker 24: information about who the inmates were, when the inmates were
37:08
Speaker 24: placed in the cells near Epstein, how long the individuals
37:11
Speaker 24: had been in jail, when where they moved, and where
37:14
Speaker 24: did they go. Mark Epstein says one of the inmates
37:17
Speaker 24: had been in the cellar area for a time prior
37:19
Speaker 24: to Epstein's arrest and subsequent attainment, and another died after
37:23
Speaker 24: Epstein's death. No information is available about the other ten
37:26
Speaker 24: to twelve inmates in the area when Epstein died.
37:30
Speaker 1: An Epstein bombshell, a shadowy figure dressed as an inmate
37:37
Speaker 1: is spotted climbing the.
37:39
Speaker 3: Stairs to Epstein's cell.
37:42
Speaker 1: What and we're just getting eleven new hours of video.
37:47
Speaker 3: Where's that video been all this time?
37:49
Speaker 1: It's been described as a mystery orange blob that is
37:53
Speaker 1: not entirely true.
37:54
Speaker 3: Let's take a look at a clip we got from
37:57
Speaker 3: the video that has just been released.
38:00
Speaker 1: You have to look in the original copy. It's a
38:04
Speaker 1: lot easier to see, but it is an elongated orange figure.
38:11
Speaker 1: It's not as they're trying to tell us somebody carrying
38:15
Speaker 1: laundry that had.
38:16
Speaker 3: That's much better. That's much better.
38:20
Speaker 1: These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay, we've
38:28
Speaker 1: been told the guards were asleep and one was shopping
38:30
Speaker 1: online when he was killed.
38:32
Speaker 3: We've been told the two.
38:34
Speaker 1: Doors we've seen over and over and over the only
38:36
Speaker 1: way to get onto his cell tear That is a lie.
38:41
Speaker 3: See those two doors, total bs.
38:44
Speaker 1: Those are not the only two ways to get in
38:46
Speaker 1: and out of that tier. Now, we also were told
38:51
Speaker 1: that there's a problem with the CCTV that you can't
38:54
Speaker 1: see Epstein sell. Well, okay, everything we're being fed is poison.
39:01
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
39:03
Speaker 24: The public was already skeptical of the DOJ's claims. The
39:06
Speaker 24: footage from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly
39:09
Speaker 24: shows Epstein is the only person who entered his cell
39:12
Speaker 24: block the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob
39:15
Speaker 24: climbing the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust.
39:19
Speaker 24: In their review, the Inspector General says the movement on
39:23
Speaker 24: the staircase around ten forty pm is Cojovian Noel carrying
39:27
Speaker 24: inmate Lennon's up to the L block, but video analysis
39:30
Speaker 24: experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange,
39:35
Speaker 24: not carrying orange material.
39:37
Speaker 1: Straight out to TISA. Tail's joining US investigative reporter. She's
39:40
Speaker 1: at TISA, tilS on YouTube.
39:42
Speaker 3: TISA hit me the fact.
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Speaker 25: That we are looking on a highly edited tape they
39:48
Speaker 25: released eleven hours.
39:50
Speaker 3: They said there was a minute that skip.
39:51
Speaker 25: We now know that there's about eight minutes missing from
39:55
Speaker 25: that tape. There's not even the full it's ten hours,
39:58
Speaker 25: fifty two minutes. See a shadowy orange figure and they
40:03
Speaker 25: want us, in a in a post ditty trial world,
40:06
Speaker 25: to believe that it's some Tom and Jerry stack of
40:11
Speaker 25: orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying through
40:15
Speaker 25: the through the correctional facility. And they want us to
40:18
Speaker 25: believe that that's not a human the fact that the
40:20
Speaker 25: administration listen, who knows why they are telling us not
40:25
Speaker 25: to believe are lying eyes, But we see it for
40:29
Speaker 25: what it is. That is a human being walking in
40:32
Speaker 25: to a cell.
40:34
Speaker 3: Let's see it again.
40:35
Speaker 1: She's right, TA said my words exactly should I believe
40:39
Speaker 1: you are my lion eyes? I see what I see
40:43
Speaker 1: joining us right now is a very special guest. It
40:46
Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. You know, Mark, I
40:51
Speaker 1: know that people are using you like a crystal ball
40:54
Speaker 1: to try to see into the mind of your brother
40:56
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein.
40:58
Speaker 3: What I want to talk to you about.
41:01
Speaker 1: Is that orange clad figure that is now appearing on
41:06
Speaker 1: video and people are seeing it for the first time,
41:09
Speaker 1: which is concerning and not in a good way. That
41:14
Speaker 1: we're just now seeing video which looks like someone walking
41:20
Speaker 1: up and down a stairwell, coming out of a stairwell
41:24
Speaker 1: and walking around on your brother's floor.
41:27
Speaker 15: Well, there's a lot of things on that video that
41:30
Speaker 15: don't make sense. In the early part of the video,
41:32
Speaker 15: they said that they saw Jeffrey being walked into his cell.
41:36
Speaker 15: First of all, you can't tell if that's Jeffrey or not.
41:38
Speaker 15: You can't tell who it is, And you don't just
41:41
Speaker 15: walk into Jeffrey's shell off of that common area. You
41:44
Speaker 15: have to go up that staircase through a barred, locked
41:47
Speaker 15: door and then into the cell. He was the first
41:49
Speaker 15: sell on the right hand side of the tier, so
41:52
Speaker 15: you don't just casually walk into his cell. And you know,
41:56
Speaker 15: I've said before, every time the government tries to squash
41:59
Speaker 15: this thing, they just it deeper into a hole with misinformation.
42:03
Speaker 15: People have viewed the videotape and they've seen it's been edited,
42:06
Speaker 15: and it's been dopted, and it's split from a couple
42:08
Speaker 15: of different feeds. So you know, how do you trust this?
42:14
Speaker 15: You can?
42:15
Speaker 22: The House Oversight Committee has released over thirty three thousand
42:18
Speaker 22: pages of Epstein related records and dozens of video and
42:22
Speaker 22: audio recordings associated with the investigation, though committee members have
42:26
Speaker 22: warned that in addition to heavy redaction, over ninety seven
42:30
Speaker 22: percent of the releases already public. Those diving into the
42:33
Speaker 22: files have discovered interesting bits in the three percent that
42:37
Speaker 22: is new. Most interesting, the missing minute of the MCC
42:42
Speaker 22: surveillance footage has been.
42:43
Speaker 3: Found Sidney Sumner. What does the video depict?
42:49
Speaker 16: According to the government, the video depicts the material handler.
42:54
Speaker 16: This unnamed employee who was also on shift at the
42:58
Speaker 16: time of Tovia Noel leaving to go home. So they
43:02
Speaker 16: are claiming that this is an employee who just finished
43:06
Speaker 16: his shift and is heading home for the night, and
43:09
Speaker 16: he walks off screen toward the main entesce of the
43:13
Speaker 16: shoe and does not approach Epstein's cell That's what they
43:17
Speaker 16: tell us is happening. But of course the angle of
43:20
Speaker 16: this video is just absolutely horrible. It really doesn't show
43:24
Speaker 16: us much of anything, so it's really unclear if he
43:28
Speaker 16: did head out the main entrance of the shoe or
43:31
Speaker 16: could that person have gone up to where Epstein was
43:34
Speaker 16: being housed.
43:35
Speaker 1: We don't know, well, Sadie Sumner, Obviously there is more
43:39
Speaker 1: than one person in that area around Epstein's cell.
43:43
Speaker 3: It's not just one person leaving for the night.
43:46
Speaker 1: There are more people there, and what we are being
43:50
Speaker 1: told is there is a cluster of movement outside Epstein's cell.
43:54
Speaker 16: Well, so what we can see in the video these
43:57
Speaker 16: are the bottom of the stairs up to Epstein's cell block,
44:02
Speaker 16: so we can just barely see a sliver of that staircase.
44:07
Speaker 16: And earlier in the previous release of this surveillance video,
44:11
Speaker 16: we all saw that orange blob, and again they told
44:15
Speaker 16: us that that person was actually heading up towards that
44:18
Speaker 16: cell block carrying it was an employee apparently carrying inmate
44:24
Speaker 16: linens or an inmate uniform. And of course we're all
44:27
Speaker 16: screaming bs. That's somebody in an inmate uniform walking up
44:32
Speaker 16: that staircase. So it's a very unclear angle, but you're right,
44:36
Speaker 16: it doesn't look like just one person.
44:39
Speaker 3: All along, we have had nothing but lies. Lies.
44:50
Speaker 22: I was fourteen years old, I was sixteen years old,
44:53
Speaker 22: was sixteen.
44:53
Speaker 3: Seventeen, fourteen years old.
44:56
Speaker 6: This is me, this was me, This is me, and
44:58
Speaker 6: when I met Jeffrey Epstein me.
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Speaker 4: When I met Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 26: It's time to bring the secrets out of the shadows.
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Speaker 26: It's time to shine a light into the darkness.
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Speaker 5: These are women who have come forward, and it's a
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Speaker 5: whole slew of women kicking the can down the road.
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Speaker 3: We are not having it. We're going to keep the
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Speaker 3: pressure up.
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Speaker 1: Epstein victims storm DC, demanding justice.
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Speaker 5: I was only fourteen years old when I met Jeffrey.
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Speaker 5: It was the summer of high school. I was working
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Speaker 5: three jobs to try to support my mom and my sister.
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Speaker 5: When a friend of mine in the neighborhood told me
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Speaker 5: that I could make three hundred dollars to give an
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Speaker 5: old guy a massage. It went from a dream job
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Speaker 5: to the worst nightmare. Jeffrey assistant Leslie Groff would call
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Speaker 5: me and tell me that I needed to be at
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Speaker 5: the house so often that I ended up dropping out
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Speaker 5: of high school before ninth grade, and I never went back.
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Speaker 5: From fourteen to seventeen years old, I went and worked
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Speaker 5: for Jeffrey instead of receiving an education. Every day I
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Speaker 5: hope that he would offer me a real job as
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Speaker 5: one of his assistant or something something important. I would
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Speaker 5: finally have made it big as like we say, the
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Speaker 5: American dream, that they never came. I had no way,
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Speaker 5: I had no way out. I was until he finally
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Speaker 5: told me that I was too old. There are many
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Speaker 5: pieces of my story that I can't remember no matter
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Speaker 5: how hard I try. The constant state of wonder causes
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Speaker 5: me so much fear and so much confusion. My therapist
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Speaker 5: is that my brain is just trying to protect this self,
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Speaker 5: But it's so hard to begin to heal knowing that
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Speaker 5: there are people out there who know more about my
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Speaker 5: abuse than I do. The worst part is that the
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Speaker 5: government is still in possession right now of the documents
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Speaker 5: and information about that could help me remember and get
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Speaker 5: over all of this, maybe and help me heal. They
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Speaker 5: have documents with my name on them that were confiscated
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Speaker 5: from Jeffrey Epstein's house and could help me put the
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Speaker 5: pieces of my own life back together. But I don't
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Speaker 5: have any of it, and I know the same is
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Speaker 5: true for many of these women.
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Speaker 27: My name is Annie Farmer, and I was sixteen years
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Speaker 27: old when I was blown to New Mexico to spend
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Speaker 27: a weekend with Epstein and Maxwell. That same year, nineteen
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Speaker 27: ninety six, my sister Maria Farmer reported what happened to
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Speaker 27: me there, along with reporting her own assaults at their
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Speaker 27: hands and their theft of sensitive photos of herself, of
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Speaker 27: me and our younger sister that she had taken for
47:56
Speaker 27: her work as a figuritive painter. I am now forty
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Speaker 27: six years old. Thirty years later, we still do not
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Speaker 27: know why that report wasn't properly investigated, or why Epstein
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Speaker 27: and his associates were allowed to harm hundreds, if not thousands,
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Speaker 27: of other girls and young women. We have never been
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Speaker 27: told whether those images were found when they discovered a
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Speaker 27: large amount of child sexual abuse material on his property.
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Speaker 28: And when I got into the massage room, Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 28: undressed and asked me to do things to him. My
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Speaker 28: eyes welled up with tears, and I have never been
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Speaker 28: more scared in my life. When it was over, he
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Speaker 28: paid me two hundred dollars and requested in exchange that
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Speaker 28: I bring a girl each time to make another two
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Speaker 28: hundred dollars. I told him I did not want to
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Speaker 28: do that, and then he gave me an ultimatum. I
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Speaker 28: felt in hope to never hear from him again, but
48:52
Speaker 28: he called me every day. He was so wealthy and powerful,
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Speaker 28: and he would not let me go. I felt I
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Speaker 28: had no choice If I disobeyed him, I knew so
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Speaker 28: thing God would happen.
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Speaker 26: I would like to announce here today, us Epstein survivors
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Speaker 26: have been discussing creating our own list.
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Speaker 3: We know the names many of us were.
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Speaker 6: Abused by them.
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Speaker 26: Now, together as survivors, we will confidentially compile the names
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Speaker 26: we all know who regularly and who are regularly in
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Speaker 26: the Epstein world. And it will be done by survivors
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Speaker 26: and for survivors. No one else is involved that.
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Speaker 3: I'm at Rep. Thomas Massey on X.
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Speaker 1: You are seeing the Survivors in DC in the last
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Speaker 1: Days demanding justice Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I want
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Speaker 1: to introduce you a very special guest, a Jeffrey Epstein survivor.
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Speaker 1: I hate to always say victim because Lisa Phillips has
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Speaker 1: gone on to become a warrior. Yes she's a mother
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Speaker 1: of three. Yes, she's a gorgeous former Ford Agency model. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she's been in a major motion picture, among many things.
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Speaker 3: Any given Sunday, a lot of people have seen that
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Speaker 3: she's in it. She's beautiful, she's accomplished, she's articulate. She's
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Speaker 3: also a.
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein victim now survivor slash warrior.
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Speaker 3: Lisa, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 6: Well, I just want to say thank you for that intro.
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Speaker 6: The survivors are here because we are fed up and
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Speaker 6: we are not victims. We do not like to be
50:49
Speaker 6: called victims. We are survivors. We're taking our power back
50:53
Speaker 6: because what happened to me on that island back in
50:56
Speaker 6: two thousand should have never happened. I was brought by
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Speaker 6: another young girl, and that was the genius of Jeffrey
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Speaker 6: Epstein's sex trafficking ring as he got other girls and
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Speaker 6: young women to bring more.
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Speaker 1: So when you flew, when you were flown to the island,
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Speaker 1: what did you think was going to happen?
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Speaker 6: Lisa, Nancy. I took a boat to the island. I
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Speaker 6: was at Tortola, the island next door. What kind of
51:23
Speaker 6: boat like a ferry boat.
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Speaker 1: So somebody picked you up at a dock, you got on,
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Speaker 1: they took you over, and they dropped you off at
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Speaker 1: an appointed spot.
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Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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Speaker 6: That's correct?
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Speaker 1: That is exactly what the other victims say. Victims you
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Speaker 1: haven't even spoken to or or you don't know their names.
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Speaker 1: So amazing how your stories already are like a fingerprint story.
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Speaker 3: They fit exactly.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you get to Epstein's island and what happens.
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Speaker 6: We actually had a really good time on the island
51:52
Speaker 6: for the first several hours, hanging out in the pool,
51:56
Speaker 6: and you know, we had a wonderful dinner where I
51:58
Speaker 6: met Jeffrey Epstein. And Jeffrey is charming and he's very intelligent,
52:05
Speaker 6: and he's locked in on you.
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Speaker 1: You stated that you were told, hey, it's just a massage,
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Speaker 1: you have to do it.
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Speaker 6: Who told you that the girl who brought me there.
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Speaker 1: How in the hay did it get to You've got
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Speaker 1: to give him a massage?
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Speaker 4: Just like that.
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Speaker 6: It was so quick. It was a wonderful day, just
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Speaker 6: a normal day. And then right when it was time,
52:28
Speaker 6: everything changed. Everything went dark. The whole island looked different.
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Speaker 6: The walk to his bedroom, the anticipation and the anxiousness
52:36
Speaker 6: of like, what the frick is going on here? And
52:39
Speaker 6: I'm looking at her and I could see she has
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Speaker 6: a little fear in her eyes. You know, something was
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Speaker 6: wrong with her because she didn't want to do it,
52:46
Speaker 6: you know, but it's just something. She took a deep
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Speaker 6: breath and she's like, we have to do it, And
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Speaker 6: so I just went with her because I didn't feel
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Speaker 6: like I had a choice. I was literally trapped on
52:55
Speaker 6: an island at that point. There was nowhere to run,
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Speaker 6: and I was scared to death of saying no, I'm
52:59
Speaker 6: not going to do it. I didn't have it in me,
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Speaker 6: and be like no way, you know, I just couldn't
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Speaker 6: do it. I just froze and just went with her.
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Speaker 6: And then what happened, Like the genius of Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 6: it was a real massage, It really was. It was playful,
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Speaker 6: and he was funny, and he was now asking personal,
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Speaker 6: flirty questions, and you know, he tries to make it
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Speaker 6: seem like it's no big deal. You know, that's how
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Speaker 6: he is until then he turns. There's a little darkness.
53:32
Speaker 6: There's a little there's a lot of darkness in Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 6: So he has this mask if I'm your mentor, I'm
53:37
Speaker 6: going to help you out, I'm this great, caring, wonderful person.
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Speaker 6: Look at all my rich, powerful friends. Like he has
53:43
Speaker 6: a six steer that pulls, you know, young women in
53:46
Speaker 6: because he makes them feel really safe, and he makes
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Speaker 6: you feel seen and heard, that's for sure. But then
53:52
Speaker 6: there's a darkness that which is when he just wants
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Speaker 6: to get what he wants, and so he loves massages.
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Speaker 6: He does that is his baseline is massage. But then
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Speaker 6: it always switches into some type of a little bit
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Speaker 6: of torture, you know, if he wants to hurt you
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Speaker 6: a little bit with his with his hands and with objects,
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Speaker 6: and with the fact that he can control the two
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Speaker 6: young women in the room. So it was it was scary.
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Speaker 4: It was just.
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Speaker 6: I just I'm traumatized every time I think about it,
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Speaker 6: and I know you have to ask these questions, but
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Speaker 6: it was just the worst night of my life.
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Speaker 3: Lisa. Did he to you?
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Speaker 6: Yes?
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Speaker 1: And then you said the secretary would then call you
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Speaker 1: non stop to get you to bring other girls women
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Speaker 1: to the island.
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Speaker 3: I'm getting ahead of myself after he.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. You know I'm asking you this, Lisa, because
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Speaker 1: people don't think it happened, because no one is doing anything.
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Speaker 1: Because Glaine Maxwell is on the verge of walking free.
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Speaker 1: I'm not letting it go because there are other clients
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Speaker 1: that statutory girls and that forced young women into unwanted sex.
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Speaker 1: That's and nothing is being done.
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Speaker 3: And I don't get it. I don't get why we're
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Speaker 3: being lied to.
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Speaker 1: And I see you sitting there crying, and it's like
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Speaker 1: pouring gas on a fire to me to think nothing
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Speaker 1: has been done.
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Speaker 3: Nothing. I also don't believe it can suicide. This totallys Yes,
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Speaker 3: what is your message tonight, Lisa.
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Speaker 6: It is not your fault. It took me a long
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Speaker 6: time to get there. And sometimes it's just seeing other survivors.
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Speaker 6: Sometimes you just need to connect with other survivors, whether
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Speaker 6: it's Epstein or any other serial predator, or anyone who
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Speaker 6: can listen to you. You need support and you need
56:28
Speaker 6: to find the community, and you're not alone. You are
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Speaker 6: not alone to all.
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Speaker 1: The survivors out there. Right now we are speaking with
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Speaker 1: Lisa Phillips who survived Epstein. Please stay strong and keep
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Speaker 1: the faith. Lisa, thank you for being with us, and
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Speaker 1: thank you for being brave for other crime victims to
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Speaker 1: see you and hear you and understand what you've been through,
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Speaker 1: what you will always be going through because of Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein and Gallaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 3: But yet you are still fighting the fight.
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Speaker 1: And now we remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Jacob
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Speaker 1: Picket Boone County Sheriffs, Indiana, thirty four, shot and killed
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Speaker 1: in the line of duty, survived by wife turned widow,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Sons Lincoln and Wade. American hero Deputy Sheriff Jacob Pickett.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, good night friend,