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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good Eving, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Credline. The fallout continuing from Sydney's anti Israel
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Speaker 2: protest activist digging in attacking the police after two plus
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Speaker 2: years of.
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Speaker 3: Hard left hate and anarchy.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I'm one hundred percent behind the
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Speaker 2: uniforms on this one. The bombshell report that you weren't
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Speaker 2: supposed to ever see. Years of rampant corruption in the
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Speaker 2: construction sector and a massive fifteen billion dollar.
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Speaker 3: Hited a taxpayers.
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Speaker 2: Now, how has this damaging materials come to light? And
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Speaker 2: just what does it say about corruption in Victoria? Coming
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Speaker 2: out yet another stark warning overnight from security experts about
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Speaker 2: the rise of religious extremism.
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Speaker 3: I'll show you that later.
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Speaker 2: Plus Labour's shocking response to a question today about the
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Speaker 2: so called Isis brides in the wake of the Bondaye
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Speaker 2: terror attack. And we've got our eyes on Angus Taylor's
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Speaker 2: office tonight, where he's expected to leave and visit Susan
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Speaker 2: Lee handing in his resignation As a clock ticks down
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Speaker 2: for the Liberal leader.
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Speaker 3: This is it time for Angus Taylor to be leader.
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Speaker 4: Could be an exciting day. Been a tough time for
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Speaker 4: our party who've been in a death spiral.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't matter who sits in the swivel chair. What
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Speaker 5: matters is whether we're doing the hard work to get ahead.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: I have more to say about the looming Liberal leadership
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Speaker 2: spill in a moment, but before I do, something equally important.
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Speaker 2: If the visit of Israel's President Isaac Hertzog was intended
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Speaker 2: to give Jewish Australians and every one of us, the
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Speaker 2: non Jews in this country who were horrified by the
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Speaker 2: terror we saw at Bondai a chance to grieve and
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Speaker 2: stand together, it's probably failed. If it was meant to
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Speaker 2: reassure Jews of their safety in this country, well it's
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Speaker 2: definitely been a failure there as well. The visit has
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Speaker 2: sparked a massive reoccurrence of the pro Hamas protests that
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Speaker 2: are so disfigured our cities for the past two years.
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Speaker 2: If there's one positive that's emerged though, which the new
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Speaker 2: found vigor of the police in New South Wales to
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Speaker 2: take back control of our streets from the assorted Marxist anarchist,
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Speaker 2: socialist Islamists and jew haters taking advantage of beefed up
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Speaker 2: protest laws. In the wake of the Bondeo massacre, New
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Speaker 2: South Wales police ought to have Monday Nights planned march
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Speaker 2: on the state Parliament, shifted to a static protest in
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Speaker 2: Hyde Park and bit off an attempt in the Supreme
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Speaker 2: Court to have the march banned unconstitutional. That didn't stop
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Speaker 2: the protesters, though, some five thousand strong, many of whom
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Speaker 2: were clearly spoiling for a fight. Here's the vision that's
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Speaker 2: gone viral of a police officer punching one of the protesters.
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Speaker 6: Head.
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Speaker 7: We're on.
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Speaker 3: That's all. Now.
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Speaker 2: What that footage doesn't show is what the Daily Telegraph
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Speaker 2: reports today, and that's the protester's attempt to bite officers,
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Speaker 2: one of whom.
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Speaker 3: Already had an injured hand.
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Speaker 2: Now that person, Jace Turner's now been formally charged with
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Speaker 2: assaulting a police officer causing actual bodily harm. Were good
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Speaker 2: about time we threw the book at alleged thugs like this,
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Speaker 2: And this just shows that New South Wales Premier Chris
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Speaker 2: Means was absolutely right to back in the police, as
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Speaker 2: was his commissioner. Standing by his rank and file front line.
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Speaker 6: Police lines were repeatedly breached or attempted to be breached
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Speaker 6: by the protesters as the night wore on, and New
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Speaker 6: South Wales police and I've spoken to the commanders both
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Speaker 6: last night and this morning, gave ample time for people
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Speaker 6: to leave the area.
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Speaker 8: The police did what they needed to do, which was
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Speaker 8: to hold the line and then form and move the
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Speaker 8: protesters back with a view to dispersing them. That was
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Speaker 8: designed to keep the community safe.
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Speaker 2: Even the Prime Minister, while he found the right scenes
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Speaker 2: in his words, devastating, was still clear to back police
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Speaker 2: against the protesters.
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Speaker 9: And the violence that we saw last night was devastating.
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Speaker 9: People sought to break that, to break that separation and
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Speaker 9: therefore to create a circumstance which was not going to
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Speaker 9: be peaceful.
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Speaker 2: Frankly, it's now way past time that we call out
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Speaker 2: these protests for what they actually are. They are not
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Speaker 2: protests against the deaths of innocent people in war. Their
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Speaker 2: extreme left wing protests. They don't just target Israel, but
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Speaker 2: also target Australia, which in the organizer's eyes, is equal
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Speaker 2: illegitimate product of settler colonialism. Listen to former Australian of
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Speaker 2: the Year a Great Tame say it with me.
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Speaker 3: From gadigl to.
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Speaker 10: Gaza, globalize the Intifara won my.
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Speaker 11: Time, From Gadigol to Gaza, globalize the interfia.
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Speaker 2: That angry phrase there, from Gadigol to Gaza, globalized the
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Speaker 2: interfarta to the extent she's actually thought it through, is
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Speaker 2: a call for suicide bombings and shootings and knifings against
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Speaker 2: civilians here in Australia. And she's not a dumb kid anyway,
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Speaker 2: She's a media savvy thirty.
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Speaker 3: One year old woman.
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Speaker 2: Let me show you, though, what a real interfarta looks like.
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Speaker 2: This is what they are asking for on the streets
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Speaker 2: of Australia. In this case, we're talking about the al
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Speaker 2: Uksa into Farda back in the early two thousands. That's
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Speaker 2: what the term interfarta means. And those events back then,
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Speaker 2: a deadly series of attacks between two thousand and two
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Speaker 2: thousand and five, mostly on civilians. Bombings and suicide bomb attacks,
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Speaker 2: killed some eleven hundred people and rained terror across Israel.
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Speaker 3: Day and night. Then there's the hypocrisy of these protesters.
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Speaker 2: Outraged by what's happening in Gaza, even though it's Hummus
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Speaker 2: that's been using civilians as human shields, but entirely indifferent,
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Speaker 2: aren't they to the slaughter in Iran where tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands of people have been mown down by an apocalyptic
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Speaker 2: Islamist regime without a peep from the professional outrage industry.
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Speaker 3: Now, for too long, in the.
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Speaker 2: Face of pro terror protests, there's been kid glove policing.
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Speaker 2: Remember those infamous scenes at the opera House within hours
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Speaker 2: of the October seven atrocity. Police then actually escorted the
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Speaker 2: mob to the steps, and the only person moved on
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Speaker 2: that night was someone holding an Israeli flag. Remember the
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Speaker 2: Islam's fanatics too, rejoicing in the slaughter of Jews and
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Speaker 2: the taking of hostages within hours of October seven.
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Speaker 12: I'm smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 3: I'm it's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how many times do we show the vision
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Speaker 2: of that individual here on Sky News and elsewhere in
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Speaker 2: the media, And to this day, not hear or any
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Speaker 2: other of these islam As Jew haters. Have they been
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Speaker 2: deported or charged. So maybe, just maybe, on Monday we
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Speaker 2: saw robust police action and that'll mark the start of
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Speaker 2: some sort of common sense policing where the forces of
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Speaker 2: law and order in this country.
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Speaker 3: Let the activists know who is.
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Speaker 2: Really in charge, because for the best part of two
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Speaker 2: years now there's been this palple sense that the Australia
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Speaker 2: we knew where Jewish people were respected and we're dis
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Speaker 2: agreement was civil, or that Australia has been disappearing before
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Speaker 2: our very eyes. So that needs to change. That must change,
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Speaker 2: and let's hope. Let's hope this week we saw change
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Speaker 2: for the better. It's a long way to go back
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Speaker 2: to the Australia we once knew. We cannot keep going
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Speaker 2: on like this.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Look to the Liberals as we go to air tonight.
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Speaker 2: There's been no further movement on the federal Liberal leadership,
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Speaker 2: although the case is that Susan Lee's days aren't numbered
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Speaker 2: and Angus Taylor's walk down the corridor is literally minutes away.
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Speaker 2: But let's be clear, it's not misogyny that sealing her fate.
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Speaker 3: It's electoral arithmetic.
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Speaker 2: No bleating by the handbag hit squad can alter the
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Speaker 2: iron law of politics, and that is that the numbers
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Speaker 2: mutust and only count, and presiding over a primary vote
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Speaker 2: collapse from thirty two percent to just eighteen percent this
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Speaker 2: week would be lethal for anyone regardless of their gender.
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Speaker 2: And as for the view that the Liberals should become
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Speaker 2: teal light, the post election move of some twenty percent
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Speaker 2: of the vote to one Nation Now and the corresponding
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Speaker 2: move of fourteen percent away from the coalition confirms that
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Speaker 2: its moderate control that risks, giving the Party of Mensies
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Speaker 2: its last rights to win from opposition. The Liberals must
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Speaker 2: be led by a conservative with a conservative platform. It's
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Speaker 2: not enough that the leader is a conservative. The platform
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Speaker 2: must be conservative too, as we saw in John Howard
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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety six forty seven percent primary, Tony Abbott
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Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen forty six percent primary, Peter Dutton's problem.
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Speaker 2: He was a conservative man, but not a conservative leader.
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Speaker 2: Was there any real attempt back then at a broad
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Speaker 2: policy agenda, let alone a conservative one. Now le's the
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Speaker 2: same nine months in the job, and other than moving
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Speaker 2: against net zero, there is absolutely nothing on the policy table.
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Speaker 2: That's why change is coming, and the sooner the better.
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Speaker 2: As for those Liberals today channeling Malcolm Turnbull demanding that
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Speaker 2: any spill motion must be signed but at least by
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Speaker 2: at least half the party room, you are just prolonging
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Speaker 2: the agony.
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Speaker 13: This is the inevitable consequence for the Liberal Party of
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Speaker 13: imagining that.
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Speaker 11: The goal of politics is to seek the approval of
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Speaker 11: the Sky News audience.
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Speaker 3: Goodness, me and Malcolm.
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Speaker 2: Any liberal taking advice from Turnbull needs their head, Red,
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Speaker 2: I mean, God forbid. The very last thing he would
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Speaker 2: do is give any advice to help the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: After all, surely there's no.
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Speaker 2: One left is there that thinks he is or even
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Speaker 2: was ever a Liberal. All right, let's go live now
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Speaker 2: to Camber. We've got the latest with our man on
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Speaker 2: the spy, political reporter cam Redden.
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Speaker 12: Ok, what can you tell us?
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Speaker 3: You're watching the carpet, you're watching the corridors. What's happening.
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Speaker 11: Out watching the grass at the moment, Peter. And it's
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Speaker 11: a little bit like that, waiting for something to happen.
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Speaker 11: It's been more than three hours now since question time ended.
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Speaker 11: Angus Taylor walked out of the chamber into his office
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Speaker 11: and told us I hope you're patient, And he only
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Speaker 11: emerged briefly for a division, then straight back in. So, Peter,
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Speaker 11: three hours after question time, we're waiting for any movement.
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Speaker 11: You know that walk well, you know that corridor, Well,
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Speaker 11: it's about twenty seconds from Angus Taylor's office to Susan
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Speaker 11: Lee's office, and he has yet to make that walk
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Speaker 11: to resign and call for a challenge. Now it's been
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Speaker 11: put to me that there may be some element of
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Speaker 11: running the clock down here to prevent a party room
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Speaker 11: meeting tonight. It's the Taylor camp's preference for that to
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Speaker 11: happen on Friday. There's also a view that happening tonight,
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Speaker 11: potentially even tomorrow morning, could disenfranchise senators stuck in cented estimates.
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Speaker 11: One I'm told is already home with her duties wrapped up.
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Speaker 11: So that's where we stand at the moment, Peter. There
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Speaker 11: is still an expectation that Angus Taylor will make that
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Speaker 11: walk tonight, but as we stand here at the moment,
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Speaker 11: that work is yet to occur.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: The issue, too, camp is Susan Lee was involved in
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Speaker 2: a lot of ceremonial events in relation to the appearance
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Speaker 2: today in Parliament House and in Canberra by the Israeli President.
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Speaker 2: I think that's hampered some of the timing. But just
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Speaker 2: because he resigns, does it necessarily mean.
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Speaker 3: We will see a spill.
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Speaker 2: Those letters that go into the whip could occur anytime
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Speaker 2: soon and that's if it runs to Angus Taylor's timetable,
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Speaker 2: because there's nothing to stop Susan Lee tonight doing what
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Speaker 2: Brenda Nelson did. And I was there at the time
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Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight calling it on himself, you know,
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Speaker 2: saying to Malcolm turmul back then put up or shut
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Speaker 2: up and he pulled the spill.
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Speaker 3: So anything could happen.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, And the lady that goes tonight, Peter, that goes
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Speaker 11: on Susan Lee's side, tell me that that means it's
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Speaker 11: less likely that's going to happen tonight because they're only
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Speaker 11: going to wait around so long. You know, they're not
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Speaker 11: going to be here at midnight, So at some point
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Speaker 11: between now and Dan, Angus Taylor would have to walk
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Speaker 11: in there. You mentioned that show of support that was
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Speaker 11: around Susan Lee too, as she walked quite deliberately from
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Speaker 11: where her office is to the Prime Minister's quarters for
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Speaker 11: that meeting with President Hertzog. She was flanked by supporters
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Speaker 11: including Andrew Bragg, Tim Wilson, Andrew Wallace. There were the
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Speaker 11: likes of Macaviia Cash, Julian Lisa and Jonathan Dunniam there
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Speaker 11: as well. A deliberate show of strength, and she's back
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Speaker 11: in her office at the moment, I'm told by her team,
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Speaker 11: just carrying on business as usual, doing her work. So
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Speaker 11: really the view of the Susan Lee camp, Peter, is
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Speaker 11: that it is on Angus Taylor to walk in and
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Speaker 11: to bring this on. She's not going to resign. We
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Speaker 11: know that. And unless Angus Taylor makes that move, as
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Speaker 11: is expected in the next couple of hours, then Susan
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Speaker 11: Lee has no who is my understanding, no intention of
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Speaker 11: trying to bring this to ahead herself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I would say for senators donning him in cash, they
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Speaker 2: were there, probably in their portfolio or shadow portfolio capacity
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Speaker 2: in foreign and home affairs, and they would have been
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Speaker 2: there is a factional show of strength given their conservatives.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there. You'll keep us posted. I'll come
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Speaker 2: back to you tonight if we hear or see anything more.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Cam.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's stick with canber though and bring in
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Speaker 2: my guests, Senior political reporter Caroline Marcus, a national affairs
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Speaker 2: editor at the Data Telegraph, one of our hosts here
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Speaker 2: at Sky two James Morrow. We'll stay as I said,
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Speaker 2: with this issue, Susan Lee. The numbers obviously are moving
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Speaker 2: against her. I think the numbers have actually shifted. I
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Speaker 2: think it's all over by the shouting the issue though.
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Speaker 2: That really got my attention this morning, Caroline, was this
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Speaker 2: attempt by some moderates to brief into the papers that
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Speaker 2: this is all an active misogyny. How dare they remove
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Speaker 2: the first female leader now a male female or Cali?
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Speaker 2: If you take the primary voter the party from an
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Speaker 2: already historically low thirty two percent last May, and you're
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Speaker 2: down at fifteen percent for the LIBSA plus three for
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Speaker 2: that eighteen percent as of Monday, it doesn't matter who
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Speaker 2: you are for the high jumper.
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Speaker 14: It is so infuriating, isn't it, Peter, when everything has
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Speaker 14: to be seen through this lens of gender or even race.
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Speaker 14: But that is the danger you get into when you
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Speaker 14: put someone in that position. And I would arguably say
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Speaker 14: that Susan Lee was initially put in that position because
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Speaker 14: she was a woman, and they wanted to quell these
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Speaker 14: criticisms that the Liberal Party was anti women and was
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Speaker 14: not attracting enough women to its voter base. So I
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Speaker 14: think and losing women voter So I think, once you
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Speaker 14: make a decision to put someone in to try a
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Speaker 14: hold back that criticism. Well, when that person invariably fails,
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Speaker 14: if they're not really up to the job, then you're
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Speaker 14: going to have even more criticism because it will look
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Speaker 14: like you are just getting rid of someone for being
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Speaker 14: a woman, because you played that game in the first place.
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Speaker 14: But of course we know that's not the case. The
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Speaker 14: polling is against them, that one nation is surgeing. They
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Speaker 14: really need to do something now because we need a
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Speaker 14: viable opposition more than ever in this country.
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Speaker 2: And let's make the point to Kosamaris made this out
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Speaker 2: of his poll. We discussed this in some death depth
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Speaker 2: the other day, James.
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Speaker 3: But it's gen x.
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Speaker 2: For all the talk that put Susan in, put a
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Speaker 2: woman in, she'll bring back the female vote to the
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Speaker 2: Liberal party. In fact, she has jettisoned what was left
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Speaker 2: to the female vote. Couse was saying that, you know
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Speaker 2: it's the gen.
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Speaker 3: X liberal women. So women of my vintage.
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Speaker 2: Leaving the Libs, deserting Susan Lee and moving across to
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Speaker 2: one nation. Now a woman leaving another woman. That cannot
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Speaker 2: be misogyny in anyone's book. And I my dad, Paulin
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Speaker 2: Hansen's a woman leading. They're leaving a woman to go
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Speaker 2: to a woman and it's all women. It's about policy.
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Speaker 2: And I've always argued women care about policy as much
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Speaker 2: as men do.
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Speaker 15: Of course they do. And you know, and I'll just
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Speaker 15: say gen x I'm a fellow gen Xer, and you
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Speaker 15: know gen Xers are probably the most sensible generation out
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Speaker 15: there because you see it in the poll numbers. And
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Speaker 15: it's really not just about policies, but it's about a
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Speaker 15: lack of policies. You know, what we're seeing in Australia
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Speaker 15: is something that has played out around the world, this
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Speaker 15: whole question about issues around economics, immigration and climate and
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Speaker 15: the Liberal Party doesn't have a policy on any of
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Speaker 15: these things. Paul scar the Immigration shadow, was just on
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Speaker 15: Kenny before and he said, oh, well we'll release it soon.
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Speaker 15: We've got something we're going to release soon. But you know,
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Speaker 15: no wonder people are taking their votes to say, well, no,
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Speaker 15: we know where Pauline enhancement stands. And there is a
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Speaker 15: clear deforate differentiation between one nation and labor versus where
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Speaker 15: we are with the Liberals and certainly where we were
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Speaker 15: the Liberals the last election. So no wonder people are
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Speaker 15: saying all of this stuff around women and leadership and
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Speaker 15: all that that's a confected media thing. Mostly it doesn't
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Speaker 15: affect people in their daily lives.
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Speaker 2: I suspect most people saw Paul scar and his title
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Speaker 2: underneath it said Immigration Shadow Minister, and that was the
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Speaker 2: first time the name and the face had any connection,
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Speaker 2: because he certainly has not been out there on all
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Speaker 2: the issues that the bleed away has been a range
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Speaker 2: of issues, but heavy in the primary push has been
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Speaker 2: on issues of immigration. The Sky polls pol I wouldn't
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Speaker 2: pick up something there that's interesting too, James. If I
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Speaker 2: can just quickly the new poll out today, overall one
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Speaker 2: Nation is just two points now behind Labor, but amongst
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Speaker 2: working class voters they now have a seven point lead.
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Speaker 3: Now that's telling, It's very telling.
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Speaker 15: And what it tells you is that they not only
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Speaker 15: look at the Liberals, but Labor as this sort of
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Speaker 15: uniparty right now, you know that looks after the big
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Speaker 15: end of town, that looks after the interurban, wealthy sea,
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Speaker 15: because of course that's where all the pollsters, you know, say, oh,
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Speaker 15: you got to focus all of your policies on that,
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Speaker 15: you know, and those people they want the green energy policies,
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Speaker 15: they want the big migration policies for a variety of
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Speaker 15: different reasons. It's working class people who get screwed by
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Speaker 15: all of these things. Part of my French but that's
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Speaker 15: what it is. And you know, so no wonder again
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Speaker 15: they're taking their vote to somebody who not only represents
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Speaker 15: them but also represents a clear difference in policy because
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Speaker 15: they see where the country is going and they say
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Speaker 15: this isn't working for us. We need to change. And
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Speaker 15: once upon a time one of the other two major
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Speaker 15: parties would have said, yes, we are with you on this.
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Speaker 15: It used to be Labor and then it became the
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Speaker 15: Liberals under John Howard, and now it's nobody except for
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Speaker 15: one nation.
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Speaker 2: Kara, You've got an exclusive for us here about a
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Speaker 2: teacher from a Western Sydney's Lamming school who's been arrested
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Speaker 2: for assault over that protest in Bondai Beach last September.
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Speaker 3: This is a teacher, but what can you tell us?
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Speaker 14: He's a teacher and he's a year advisor to at
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Speaker 14: Malik Fad Islamic School. It's one of Usustralia's well, it
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Speaker 14: is Australia's oldest school, is also one of its biggest
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Speaker 14: Islamic schools, and most of its funding comes from the
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Speaker 14: federal government. It's also a registered charity. Now this bloke,
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Speaker 14: you say, Muhammad Rafiq, he was captured on footage that
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Speaker 14: I've obtained exclusively showing him punching repeatedly a counter protester.
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Speaker 14: It's just about to start here at this demonstration was
20:24
Speaker 14: a pro Palestinian protest in Bonnai Beach in September last year,
20:29
Speaker 14: and he punches him in the head at least twice
20:32
Speaker 14: before people interviewing the police Russian and pull him off.
20:37
Speaker 14: He was later arrested. He's pleaded guilty now to this
20:40
Speaker 14: assault and as a result of his guilty plea, the
20:43
Speaker 14: New South Wales Education Standards Authority has suspended his accreditation,
20:48
Speaker 14: so he can't work at any schools or childcare in
20:52
Speaker 14: New South Wales. He's lost his job at this school
20:55
Speaker 14: and I think, Peter, that shows there are consequences and
20:59
Speaker 14: lessons that even teachers need to learn. But it's a
21:02
Speaker 14: concern that someone like this was even in a position
21:05
Speaker 14: to teach young people and to advise them.
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Speaker 2: I share that concern absolutely. The police have made my
21:13
Speaker 2: point very clear before James. I'm with the uniforms on this.
21:17
Speaker 2: I back in everything they've done over the past twenty
21:20
Speaker 2: four hours. I don't suspect they will be, but I'd
21:23
Speaker 2: love to see them just as tough in Victoria given
21:26
Speaker 2: what we expect in terms of protests down here. But
21:29
Speaker 2: you and I both know that there are international training
21:33
Speaker 2: hubs as online forums. There's a lot of effort with
21:37
Speaker 2: these international activist organizations now to basically stage a lot
21:42
Speaker 2: of these protests, to capture their own imagery, to punch
21:47
Speaker 2: it out on their social media they want a response
21:51
Speaker 2: from police.
21:52
Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: Look, and you know this is you could call it
21:54
Speaker 15: the Americanization of Australian protest movements here, because this is
21:57
Speaker 15: something we see all the time in the US. This
22:00
Speaker 15: during the Black Lives Matter protests we saw, we see
22:03
Speaker 15: it ongoing with the anti ice protests in the United States.
22:06
Speaker 15: It's this idea where you know, you try and mixed
22:09
Speaker 15: up with the cops, you try and get them to
22:11
Speaker 15: provoke them into some sort of physical, violent action to
22:16
Speaker 15: take somebody down, and then everybody's they're capturing it on
22:19
Speaker 15: their phones and then once they've done that, they don't
22:22
Speaker 15: show any of the provocation. They know, any of the
22:24
Speaker 15: stuff where they were rushing the lines or disobeying orders
22:28
Speaker 15: or instructions and they just show, oh, here, look, this
22:30
Speaker 15: is this bit here where the police are being terrible
22:32
Speaker 15: and horrible to us. I mean, I think most Australians
22:35
Speaker 15: see through this for what it is. Most of the
22:38
Speaker 15: comments I've seen around this issue have shown that Australians,
22:41
Speaker 15: I think of the main back of the police and back.
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Speaker 4: Them in Sydney.
22:44
Speaker 15: It's a shame they weren't as tough back during the
22:47
Speaker 15: October ninth protests at the Opera House, but that's in
22:50
Speaker 15: the past. It's just very good to see the New
22:52
Speaker 15: South Wales government, of the New South Wales Police being
22:55
Speaker 15: allowed to handle these demonstrators as they deserve.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big fan of the new Police commissioner,
23:02
Speaker 2: even at this early stage. Let's hope it continues. Thank
23:04
Speaker 2: you to you both, Caroline and James. Look, I want
23:06
Speaker 2: to play your comment from the Victorian Premier too pushed
23:10
Speaker 2: for detail over this secret payout to a prisoner a
23:15
Speaker 2: biological mail, a trans prisoner who sexually assaulted another inmate.
23:19
Speaker 3: But this is what you had to say.
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Speaker 10: Your government has made a payout to a female sexually
23:26
Speaker 10: assaulted by a transgender prisoner mentioned rental.
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Speaker 16: How much of the government paid into.
23:32
Speaker 10: The victim as part of this se I'm not in
23:35
Speaker 10: a position to comment on those private matters.
23:37
Speaker 2: Given as tax payers they deserve to know whether their
23:41
Speaker 2: tax pay money.
23:42
Speaker 4: Is going towards that.
23:43
Speaker 10: I'm not in a position, consistent with practice for any
23:45
Speaker 10: of these matters to comment on those details.
23:49
Speaker 3: Well, it's not a private matter.
23:50
Speaker 2: Taxpayers are pay We've got every right to know how
23:53
Speaker 2: much we have paid.
23:55
Speaker 3: And I also want to know how.
23:56
Speaker 2: A convicted murderer is reportedly now out on parole. Right,
24:03
Speaker 2: let's go back to some liberal issues and a bit
24:05
Speaker 2: more with former Prime Minister Tony Abbott, who joins me. Now, Tony,
24:09
Speaker 2: thank you for your time. You love having a whack where.
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Speaker 3: You think the police needs support.
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Speaker 2: You certainly did the other day coming out in support
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Speaker 2: of the New South Wales Police Force and the Commissioner
24:21
Speaker 2: after those protests turn violent on Monday.
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Speaker 3: What motivated you to speak so forcefully as you.
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Speaker 16: Did, Well, Peter, for the best part of two years,
24:35
Speaker 16: anarchist Islamist protesters have been in charge of our streets.
24:39
Speaker 16: It's about time the elected and accountable government regained control.
24:44
Speaker 16: So I say good on New South Wales Police, good
24:48
Speaker 16: on the Commissioner good On the Premier good On the
24:50
Speaker 16: Opposition leader for standing united in support of our police
24:55
Speaker 16: and against the violence of these protesters who are no
25:00
Speaker 16: longer exercising a right to free speech, but which are
25:03
Speaker 16: basically try to intimidate the Australian community.
25:08
Speaker 17: And I thought it was very.
25:09
Speaker 16: Telling Peter that the phrase that was echoing around town
25:13
Speaker 16: Hall Square on Monday night was this from gaddigal to
25:19
Speaker 16: Gaza globalize the Interofata. Basically, what's being called for by
25:25
Speaker 16: these people is not some kind of resistance to Israel.
25:31
Speaker 16: It's actually resistance to Australia. They want a campaign of
25:36
Speaker 16: suicide bombings and shootings and knifings and car rammings into
25:43
Speaker 16: crowds because that's what the Indo FATA was. They want
25:47
Speaker 16: to bring that to Australia. So this is not just
25:51
Speaker 16: anti Australian behavior by these people. Its militant hostility and
25:57
Speaker 16: aggression towards our country. It's got to stop and let's
26:02
Speaker 16: hope what happened on Monday night from New South Wales
26:06
Speaker 16: police was the beginning of the fight back by decent Australians.
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Speaker 2: Look, I don't know that you can even take an
26:14
Speaker 2: Australian of the Year award off someone.
26:17
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure there is the mechanism.
26:19
Speaker 2: There certainly is with all the other honors that we
26:22
Speaker 2: have in this country. But surely this something has to
26:25
Speaker 2: be done. In relation to the involvement of Grace Tame,
26:29
Speaker 2: I don't want to play the vision anymore. And it
26:31
Speaker 2: was angry and it was terror related. That is absolutely
26:35
Speaker 2: what an interofata is. But all re Australians are right
26:38
Speaker 2: to look at her and say, you've been given one
26:41
Speaker 2: of the highest honors in our country. How dare you
26:44
Speaker 2: do that using that platform.
26:48
Speaker 16: Look, I always thought she was a pretty unworthy recipient, frankly,
26:54
Speaker 16: and everything that she's done since then has tended to
26:58
Speaker 16: confirm it. So look, I'm not much into undoing what's
27:03
Speaker 16: been done, but I certainly think that frankly, she should
27:09
Speaker 16: be embarrassed and ashamed.
27:13
Speaker 3: What about those comments last night?
27:15
Speaker 2: In Senate Estimates we have the AFP Commissioner Chrissy Barrett
27:19
Speaker 2: warning that religious extremism remains the biggest challenge, especially when
27:23
Speaker 2: hate preachers, she says, are finding ways to circumvent the law.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
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Speaker 7: No, some are getting legal advice to push their hate
27:31
Speaker 7: and their radical recruitment drives to the edge of what
27:33
Speaker 7: is lawful. It means in some cases, particularly with hate preachers,
27:38
Speaker 7: we've not been able to reach the threshold of charging.
27:41
Speaker 7: If you are one of these groups or individuals, your
27:43
Speaker 7: life will become very uncomfortable.
27:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, sort of highly behind legal process there
27:50
Speaker 2: a bit, but it's as much a lack of police
27:54
Speaker 2: will and political will as anything other than deficient laws.
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Speaker 16: That's right, Peter. Look, they still have enormous difficulty mentioning
28:05
Speaker 16: Islamist extremism. Yeah, they're happy to throw the book at
28:10
Speaker 16: neo Nazi Ati Semites, but so far not one Islamist
28:16
Speaker 16: Addie Semite has been deported, had a visa denied, or
28:22
Speaker 16: subject to prosecution. So I do think that there's still
28:28
Speaker 16: a real danger of two tier policing. There's still a
28:33
Speaker 16: real danger of double standards here. We've just got to
28:38
Speaker 16: realize where the real danger is coming from, and it's
28:42
Speaker 16: coming from people who don't share our values. It's coming
28:47
Speaker 16: from people who believe in caliphates, who believe in Sharia law.
28:52
Speaker 16: And frankly, if that's your view, you could not have
28:58
Speaker 16: sincerely sworn out this iship oath and really this is
29:02
Speaker 16: not the country for you.
29:05
Speaker 3: Two quick ones before we go.
29:06
Speaker 2: I know you're not going to want to weigh into
29:09
Speaker 2: the individual issues in relation to the people right now
29:13
Speaker 2: in Canberra tonight involved in what's likely to be a
29:17
Speaker 2: move on the leadership Angus Taylor, Susan Lee. But it's
29:22
Speaker 2: not so much who leads the party, it's what they
29:24
Speaker 2: do with the leadership. What would your advice be to
29:28
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party given they are now in absolute and
29:32
Speaker 2: I don't make this up a fight for their lives
29:35
Speaker 2: to even exist.
29:39
Speaker 16: Well, a couple of things, Peter. The first is that
29:41
Speaker 16: the leadership issue has to be resolved one way or
29:44
Speaker 16: another soon, and I would say by the end of
29:48
Speaker 16: this week. Second, I agree with you that the important
29:52
Speaker 16: thing is to have good, strong policies on energy, on immigration,
30:00
Speaker 16: on the role of government, on national pride and respect
30:03
Speaker 16: for national symbols. That's what's really important, being a clear
30:08
Speaker 16: alternative to a deeply underwhelming government. And the other point
30:13
Speaker 16: I'd make, Peter is that the rise of the one
30:16
Speaker 16: Nation vote, that's not a sign that the Liberal Party
30:21
Speaker 16: should become teel light. That's a sign that the Liberal
30:26
Speaker 16: Party has got to go back to being the party
30:29
Speaker 16: it was when the one nation vote was negligible, namely
30:34
Speaker 16: the Howard Liberal Party, or dare I say it the
30:37
Speaker 16: Abbott Liberal Party, because back in twenty thirteen we got
30:41
Speaker 16: forty six percent of the primary vote and the one
30:45
Speaker 16: nation vote hardly existed.
30:49
Speaker 3: All right, I'll let you go.
30:50
Speaker 2: I do want to mention, though, in your company, that
30:53
Speaker 2: your book is a best seller.
30:54
Speaker 3: It's been doing very very well.
30:56
Speaker 2: I know people ask me when they see me in
30:57
Speaker 2: the street, but close to seventy and copies. Who knew
31:02
Speaker 2: a book about pride in our country to teach Australians
31:06
Speaker 2: who don't know enough about their history but want to
31:08
Speaker 2: know more would be a runaway bestseller world Antoni Abbott,
31:13
Speaker 2: that's great to news to have.
31:16
Speaker 16: Thank you.
31:17
Speaker 3: I'll leave it there. I'll leave it there. He's going
31:19
Speaker 3: to be embarrassed, Disney.
31:20
Speaker 2: All right, that controversial chapter that when missing from a
31:24
Speaker 2: document about union corruption and links to the Labor Party,
31:29
Speaker 2: links to the Labor government, and billions and billions of
31:32
Speaker 2: dollars of your money. Up next, welcome back, Still to come,
31:39
Speaker 2: Labour staggering a response to a question about so called
31:42
Speaker 2: isis brides. But now to the concerning new details emerging
31:46
Speaker 2: about a landmark corruption inquiry into the CFMAU, with claims
31:51
Speaker 2: politically damaging findings were stripped from a final report before
31:55
Speaker 2: it was publicly released. The removed material allegedly warned the
32:00
Speaker 2: governments ignored organized crime and union corruption on major taxpayer
32:04
Speaker 2: funded infrastructure projects worth billions and billions of dollars.
32:09
Speaker 3: He to discuss this and more.
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Speaker 2: Shadow Minister for Industrial Relations and Small Business, Liberal MP
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Speaker 2: for Goldstein in Melbourne, Tim Wilson, Tim, thank you explain
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Speaker 2: what's happened in the timeline here on this report.
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Speaker 3: Initially they were redacted. Now we understand exactly what was removed.
32:29
Speaker 2: How do we get this information now in the public domain, So.
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Speaker 12: It's quite simple.
32:36
Speaker 5: Peter the CFMU administrator who was appointed after it was
32:40
Speaker 5: exposed the CFMEU was infiltrated by organized crime and biky gangs.
32:47
Speaker 5: The administrator was handpicked by Anthony Albanesi, the Prime Minister.
32:52
Speaker 5: He then commissioned a report into c FMU corruption in Queensland.
32:56
Speaker 5: The report came back and said that there was vile
32:58
Speaker 5: There was standover tactics, intimidation of public servants by CFMEU officials.
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Speaker 12: Once Labor was elected to government.
33:06
Speaker 5: They then commissioned a second report into violence and corruption
33:10
Speaker 5: in the CFMU in Victoria. The administrator received the report
33:14
Speaker 5: from corruption watchdog Jeffrey wattson Next Sea, and rather than
33:19
Speaker 5: published the whole report, he redacted two chapters. The chapters
33:23
Speaker 5: deal with the corruption between labor and the CFMU and
33:27
Speaker 5: particularly the big build in Victoria which has led to
33:30
Speaker 5: fifteen billion dollars of money public money basically being washed
33:35
Speaker 5: into corrupt funds. And Watson pushed back and said, no,
33:40
Speaker 5: that's my conclusion and that's what you wanted in the report.
33:43
Speaker 5: Through the Wood Inquiry in Queensland looking into CFMU corruption,
33:48
Speaker 5: the report was tabled and it was outlined through Nick
33:51
Speaker 5: Mackenzie in the Nine Press today.
33:54
Speaker 12: The scale of it, we wrote.
33:55
Speaker 5: I wrote to the Minister, the Administrator and Fair Work
33:59
Speaker 5: into December and said where is this report? We demand
34:02
Speaker 5: copies of it because it talks about corruption in Victoria
34:06
Speaker 5: and that seems to be what has led the administrator
34:10
Speaker 5: to delete this couple of chapters because it's an inconvenient
34:14
Speaker 5: truth behind CFMUU corruption.
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Speaker 3: And we get to know about now.
34:20
Speaker 2: I understand because the Wood Royal Commission was going to
34:23
Speaker 2: use it's a Royal Commission powers to make available this
34:27
Speaker 2: material and that's forced the hand. So take us through
34:31
Speaker 2: some of the detailing there, because we are talking about
34:33
Speaker 2: some fifteen billion dollars for a state life Victoria that
34:38
Speaker 2: is already drowning in debt, and so many of these
34:41
Speaker 2: major projects, you know, they ran during COVID when private
34:45
Speaker 2: sector businesses were shut down. We've all heard the stories
34:48
Speaker 2: of the lollipop girl directing traffic on one hundred and
34:52
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars a year, but now the stories are
34:55
Speaker 2: that people were paid for work they never turned up.
34:57
Speaker 2: There were biking games involved. Give us a sense of
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Speaker 2: the scale here, Tim.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's industrial scale corruption, Peter, And you're right, the
35:07
Speaker 5: report wouldn't have naturally been released.
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Speaker 12: We wrote and demanded a copy of it, you're correct.
35:13
Speaker 12: At the Wood.
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Speaker 5: Inquiry then turned around and said, well, we're basically going
35:16
Speaker 5: to compel it to be released, which is where.
35:19
Speaker 12: Things have ended up.
35:20
Speaker 5: And the industrial scale of the corruption is that basically,
35:25
Speaker 5: on big bill projects, organized crime and biking gang sold
35:29
Speaker 5: off the rights for workers to operate on certain sites.
35:33
Speaker 5: So they would look at a particular location, they would
35:36
Speaker 5: then turn around to an organized gang sell off the rights,
35:40
Speaker 5: so workers could come in and they would have to
35:41
Speaker 5: pay cartel kickbacks into the CFU if they want, and
35:45
Speaker 5: the organized crime gangs if they wanted the rights to work.
35:47
Speaker 5: So this is explosive, extraordinary, and it raises really serious
35:52
Speaker 5: questions when we know the most hiding in plain sight
35:58
Speaker 5: corruption scandal in this country is between labor and the CFM.
36:02
Speaker 5: You particularly state labor in Victoria, that the National Anti
36:06
Speaker 5: Corruption Commission doesn't seem interested, the State Age Corruption Commission
36:10
Speaker 5: doesn't seem interested. It's taken a Queensland inquiry and Federal Parliament,
36:15
Speaker 5: including myself, to compel this evidence to the public domain.
36:21
Speaker 3: Just on the Liberal Party.
36:22
Speaker 2: You know, I've written about this and I deal it
36:25
Speaker 2: with a heavy heart, but I think the Liberal Party
36:27
Speaker 2: genuinely is in an existential crisis.
36:30
Speaker 3: At the moment. How true do you think that is?
36:35
Speaker 5: Well, I think what we need is a way forward.
36:37
Speaker 5: I've said today on another program on this network that
36:41
Speaker 5: it doesn't much matter who sits in the swivel chair.
36:44
Speaker 5: What matters is what they do with that and whether
36:47
Speaker 5: they lead in positions of leadership. And I've heard you
36:52
Speaker 5: say similar things.
36:53
Speaker 12: On the weekend.
36:54
Speaker 5: I gave a speech which very clear outline what I
36:56
Speaker 5: believe is the way forward for us as a party.
36:58
Speaker 5: It needs to be anchored in what we believe in,
37:00
Speaker 5: but more importantly, who we believe in, what we're prepared
37:03
Speaker 5: to fight for, and who we're prepared to fight for.
37:05
Speaker 12: Built on the idea that we should have the love.
37:07
Speaker 5: Of country, a respect of respectful society, a country where
37:12
Speaker 5: hard work pays off, and one where people feel like
37:15
Speaker 5: they're in control.
37:16
Speaker 12: Of their own lives.
37:18
Speaker 5: And I think one of the most important ways we
37:20
Speaker 5: can do that is to have a very aggressive agenda
37:23
Speaker 5: on small business. And I've flagged publicly that we have
37:26
Speaker 5: some things very much in the works, because I think
37:29
Speaker 5: when people see us fighting.
37:31
Speaker 2: In the work, you know nine months, nine months. I
37:35
Speaker 2: keep making the point Abbott went from winning the leadership
37:38
Speaker 2: by one vote and in an election in eight months
37:40
Speaker 2: and wading you want it right, but for one seat
37:43
Speaker 2: in twenty ten. You guys have had nine months and
37:46
Speaker 2: all you've done is say we can't support that zero anymore,
37:49
Speaker 2: with no alternatives, but no other policy.
37:52
Speaker 3: What's everybody been doing? Well?
37:56
Speaker 5: Well, that's of course question. For as I can tell you,
37:58
Speaker 5: we have something in my portfolio.
38:00
Speaker 3: Shadow Minister about to Yeah, but everyone everyone who's.
38:04
Speaker 2: Scrambling this week, Tim you and Paul's Scar and everyone.
38:08
Speaker 2: All the talking heads on the TV this week are
38:10
Speaker 2: being saying, it's just about to come, it's about to
38:13
Speaker 2: be launched. We've got policy on the way. You're nine
38:15
Speaker 2: months in in a three year term, mate.
38:19
Speaker 5: I accept that completely, and I don't disagree that there's
38:23
Speaker 5: a serious and urgent need to get this stuff out
38:26
Speaker 5: there and fight for it. The truth is, in the
38:28
Speaker 5: context of immigration, it's quite clear that things were about
38:31
Speaker 5: to be released, but because of the Bondi massacre, things
38:34
Speaker 5: change and timelines changed.
38:35
Speaker 12: Now she was going to read.
38:38
Speaker 2: It was just principles. It was just principles. You've worked
38:41
Speaker 2: in a think tank, you've worked on policy.
38:43
Speaker 3: You're a smart guy.
38:45
Speaker 2: You can't just live on principles. You have to have
38:48
Speaker 2: real fan inco and policy. It's got to be costed
38:51
Speaker 2: and it's got to mean something to the punter.
38:55
Speaker 5: I agree, and it's got to be something that people
38:57
Speaker 5: are sufficiently stirred and spirited that they want to go
38:59
Speaker 5: and fight for because on that basis, it means that
39:02
Speaker 5: they see what we're offering is enough value to them
39:05
Speaker 5: that they want to go out and fight for themselves
39:08
Speaker 5: and in the process to get a liberal government elected.
39:10
Speaker 12: I couldn't agree with you more, Peter.
39:12
Speaker 2: Okay, she disappears as Susan Lee's role. Will you serve
39:16
Speaker 2: on Angus Taylor's front bench?
39:19
Speaker 5: I said consistently, I will absolutely serve however the party
39:22
Speaker 5: wants me to serve, and I haven't in that in
39:26
Speaker 5: one way, shape or form. Because I want to see
39:27
Speaker 5: liberal governments elected. I want us to be driving a
39:30
Speaker 5: really hard agenda on small business, sole traders', family businesses
39:34
Speaker 5: and the self employed. And I want to make sure
39:37
Speaker 5: that when people look at us, because I think this
39:39
Speaker 5: is a central part of addressing the political challenge we
39:42
Speaker 5: have right now is we are a party of commerce
39:44
Speaker 5: and being pro commerce, they need to see in our policy,
39:47
Speaker 5: they need to see it's aggressive and it's not going
39:50
Speaker 5: to just fiddle at the margins.
39:51
Speaker 12: I have a little tax credit over here.
39:53
Speaker 5: It needs to be substantial and meaningful enough that they
39:55
Speaker 5: want to see a change of government.
39:58
Speaker 2: All right, thanks Tim, It's not easy fronting up on
40:02
Speaker 2: days like this. Thank you for your time. All right,
40:04
Speaker 2: quick break. After the break, we'll get into some issues
40:06
Speaker 2: coming out of the AFP and National security and those
40:10
Speaker 2: Islamic state brides. Welcome back, Johnny me now former Federal
40:19
Speaker 2: Australian Police Detective Superintendent David Craig.
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Speaker 3: We want to talk.
40:22
Speaker 2: About some study revelations out of Senate estimates last night
40:26
Speaker 2: in relation to comments made by Murray White representing other
40:31
Speaker 2: ministers in relation to Islamic state brides. Let's have a
40:36
Speaker 2: listen to what the member the Senator had to say.
40:41
Speaker 18: Has there been any change in position around the government's
40:47
Speaker 18: view on repatriation of this cohort of people post the
40:51
Speaker 18: events of Bondai.
40:52
Speaker 13: No, just to reinforce so the government's position is that
40:58
Speaker 13: we are not providing assistance and not repatriating individuals in
41:02
Speaker 13: the Syrian IDB camps. So and just confirming that position
41:06
Speaker 13: has not changed.
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Speaker 3: David, welcome to the program.
41:10
Speaker 2: There's two points I want to pick up there with
41:12
Speaker 2: the representative minister Murray Whattt. Yes he's the Environment minister,
41:15
Speaker 2: but he's they're repping other portfolios. The two things I
41:19
Speaker 2: want to pick up. One he says they don't have
41:23
Speaker 2: a policy to repatriate Islamic state brides, where we know
41:26
Speaker 2: that's not the case, and they're doing it with backdoor
41:30
Speaker 2: means they may not exactly be picking them up in
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Speaker 2: an aircraft of their own, but they're facilitating passports.
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Speaker 3: And re entry into Australia. That's the first point.
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Speaker 2: But surely he should have said they're post Bondi, that
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Speaker 2: we are putting a halt to any consideration of support.
41:48
Speaker 2: We are not doing anything that could make I guess
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Speaker 2: the febrile environment in Australia any worse.
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Speaker 3: What do you think?
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Speaker 17: I absolutely are Peter and this network took the lead
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Speaker 17: on suggesting, you know, the potential threats that these people
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Speaker 17: who have been through a war zone or rejected Australia
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Speaker 17: then gone to be in a war zone hoping to
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Speaker 17: form Islamic Caliphate and then come back to Australia.
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Speaker 3: So it's nothing.
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Speaker 17: New, but the government should be looking at what the
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Speaker 17: you know, what happened with Bondi and the amount of
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Speaker 17: knowledge that they have, because it won't come up in
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Speaker 17: this Royal Commission, but it will come up in the
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Speaker 17: next Royal Commission, what their hands were and how close
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Speaker 17: they were to bringing these people back. If the brides
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Speaker 17: themselves aren't a art a threat, and they may not be,
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Speaker 17: but there are female suicide bombers, There are female terrorists.
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Speaker 17: My biggest concern, Peter, is the youth. We've had over
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Speaker 17: two sorry, over twenty children have been brought back since
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Speaker 17: the Aubaneasy government came in from isis Brides. Now, if
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Speaker 17: someone had killed my father and I will raised in
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Speaker 17: a family that hated the people that killed them, and
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Speaker 17: then I was raised in that country the West I'm
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Speaker 17: talking about, it's very hard to expect, even for a
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Speaker 17: reasonable child not to be sent off the rails.
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Speaker 3: Just quickly.
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Speaker 2: Cousin Hahmad arrested in Iraq. What can you tell us
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Speaker 2: there and the connection to Australia.
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Speaker 17: Well, just to some quick background, he was deported in
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Speaker 17: two thousand and twenty three after being sending eight years
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Speaker 17: in jail for drug trafficking. Now he's been arrested by
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Speaker 17: the AFP. The AFP have come out and made a
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Speaker 17: statement and shown his photo, which is unprecedented, and they've
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Speaker 17: revealed that he is in a secure location of an
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Speaker 17: undisclosed location in Iraq, and the AFP have been there
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Speaker 17: twice now since his arrest. Now they'll be going there
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Speaker 17: for one reason only, and that'll be to give information
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Speaker 17: to the Iraqis. But also to get information, and I
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Speaker 17: highly suspect that Hahmad has rolled over and is now
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Speaker 17: selling out his entire network in Australia. If I was
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Speaker 17: in this network in any way, shape or form, I
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Speaker 17: would be very nervous and perhaps approaching the AFP before
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Speaker 17: I get approached by them. I think that Hamad is
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Speaker 17: probably singing to try and save his life from literally
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Speaker 17: from a death sentence in Iraq.
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Speaker 2: Goodness, may I think we're going to watch this space
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Speaker 2: very carefully. Thank you very much, David. Apologies are out
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Speaker 2: of time because things are happening in Canberra.
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Speaker 3: All right, quick break.
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Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to get into a whole
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Speaker 2: issue with the body that's supposed to be protecting the
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Speaker 2: budget numbers in absolute chaos.
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Speaker 3: Coming up.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in the panel our Mensi's Research Center,
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Speaker 2: Nick Cat and the Page Research Center's chief executive Jared
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Speaker 2: holland Jens. Let's start with the AOFM, the Australian Office
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Speaker 2: of Financial Management. It's supposed to be the body that's
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Speaker 2: managing our one trillion dollar debt, played with mass staff exodus,
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Speaker 2: poor internal survey results and leadership complaints. Nick, you couldn't
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Speaker 2: get a more critical financial institution in Australia at the moment.
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Speaker 1: What there is going on, Well, if you're going to
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Speaker 1: give them a bit of Louway Peter, I think you'd
45:15
Speaker 1: say that it would be one of the most stressful
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Speaker 1: departments in the government, managing nine hundred and ninety three
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Speaker 1: billion dollars of debt and rising because there's tremendous risk
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Speaker 1: attached to that, and the way they manage it can
45:28
Speaker 1: make a material distance to the government bottom line and
45:32
Speaker 1: ultimately you and I as taxpayers bear the liability for that.
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Speaker 1: But it seems to go beyond just pure workplace stress.
45:39
Speaker 1: There are serious allegations of poor management practices, excessive overseas travel.
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Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why you would have to travel
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Speaker 1: overseas in a job like that, but there you go,
45:49
Speaker 1: and you know large amounts of money being spent on redundancies,
45:54
Speaker 1: and as usual with the Albansy government, of course, we
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Speaker 1: get no transparency into this, very little insight into what's
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Speaker 1: going on in the agencies that we pay for.
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Speaker 2: Deren in Victoria, the state coming down here is trying
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Speaker 2: to put twenty story high towers all the way through
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Speaker 2: of affluent suburbs and middle class suburbs out in Melbourne's
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Speaker 2: East and they're doing it.
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Speaker 3: Along a train line. They say it's about more housing.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Labour's very canny here.
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Speaker 2: To me, this is about trying to change the demographic
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Speaker 2: of these liberal seats as much as anything else. And
46:28
Speaker 2: of course, when you look at the tax revenue based
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Speaker 2: in Victoria and it's bleeding people on property taxes in
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Speaker 2: Victoria unlike anywhere else in the country, this is also
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Speaker 2: part of their game, you know, Peter, I.
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Speaker 19: Had the same conclusion when I saw this story, that
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Speaker 19: you are fundamentally changing the demographics of electorates that traditionally
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Speaker 19: lean right and conservative. Now Labor have had an absolute
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Speaker 19: monopoly in the state for far too long now, and
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Speaker 19: it looks to me like they are entrenching their power
46:57
Speaker 19: to make sure that no matter how bad things get,
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Speaker 19: they will continue to hold the reins.
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Speaker 4: You mentioned property taxes.
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Speaker 19: Up to near fifty percent of Victoria's tax revenue now
47:07
Speaker 19: comes from those taxes. And as they keep spending, as
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Speaker 19: budgets keep blowing out, they're going to need to keep
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Speaker 19: taxing Victorians and chasing businesses and other people away out
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Speaker 19: of the state.
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Speaker 4: It's a kind of death spar at the moment.
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Speaker 19: But the problem with these twenty story shoe boxes is
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Speaker 19: this is not how Australians are meant to live.
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Speaker 4: This is not the Australian dream.
47:25
Speaker 19: This is not what we were founded on of giving
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Speaker 19: the settlers a couple of bacres to have a go
47:30
Speaker 19: on it on the largest island on the planet. This
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Speaker 19: is East Asian dense housing, which is a direct result
47:37
Speaker 19: of our terrible management of our migration flows. And I'm
47:40
Speaker 19: just thinking the poor young families now who in order
47:42
Speaker 19: to get ahead in life now have to have a
47:44
Speaker 19: serious smack in living standards because houses they want to
47:48
Speaker 19: live and aren't getting built, and houses that exist they're
47:51
Speaker 19: competing with the people who just got off a boat.
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Speaker 2: And they're put in a two bench of flat on
47:57
Speaker 2: top of a train line. I mean, that's about the
47:58
Speaker 2: only alternity the government's got. Because Nick, the reports are
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Speaker 2: again today, despite the promises of one point two million
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Speaker 2: new homes, that's the big thumping chest announcement from Albourne. Easy,
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Speaker 2: they are way way way behind.
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Speaker 1: Are you surprised, Peter, Because I'm not that the government
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Speaker 1: is not good at building homes, they are not good
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Speaker 1: at filling the home market. The way to do this
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Speaker 1: is to is to free up the market, to get
48:23
Speaker 1: rid of the taxes, charges, red tape, so that private
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Speaker 1: developers can get on and build these houses. I know
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Speaker 1: developers out in far Western Sydney. They've got the subdivisions,
48:33
Speaker 1: they've got the plans, everything's ready to go, but they're
48:37
Speaker 1: stuck with government red tape and excessive costs. The best
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Speaker 1: thing government can do with housing is get out of
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Speaker 1: the way and let private sector do it. This is
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Speaker 1: what we discovered in the nineteen seventies. Incidentally, when Gough
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Speaker 1: Whitland had marvelous plans to build huge housing estates in
48:52
Speaker 1: Western Sydney, they were a disaster. The homes that have
48:55
Speaker 1: been built, that have survived and people treasure are the
48:58
Speaker 1: ones that people build for themselves.
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Speaker 2: Just about out of time, mate, Jered Grace Tame, what
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Speaker 2: did you make of yesterday?
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Speaker 4: A very disappointing. I think ignore.
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Speaker 19: We can't make a martyr out of us for in
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Speaker 19: Australia the year disgraceful.
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Speaker 4: But this is I'd be weary of making him out
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Speaker 4: out of a malehilp.
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Speaker 3: Not that it's a mild hilp, nick crator, just a
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Speaker 3: quick one from.
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Speaker 1: You, disgraceful. These people know nothing about history. They know
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Speaker 1: a lot about promoting themselves, and that's what this exercise
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Speaker 1: is all about.
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Speaker 3: You are not wrong, gentlemen, Thank you very much. No
49:35
Speaker 3: kel tonight.
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Speaker 2: He's had a family bereavement, but he's in good shape
49:39
Speaker 2: and we send him our love and support. You'll see
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Speaker 2: me though, tomorrow night at six.
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Speaker 3: He is Andrew