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#168: It (1990) · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello. What's your least favorite scary
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  movie? I'm every nightmare you've ever
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  had. I'm your worst dream come true
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  on everything ever were afraid of.
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  Welcome to What's your least favorite scary movie?
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  The podcast where we talk about the good, the bad, the ugly, and
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  the absurd, and all of our favorite.
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  And least favorite scary movies. Because we believe every horror
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  movie rightfully has its fan base, even if we don't always
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  get it. My name is Travis.
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  My name is Jessie. And welcome back, everybody,
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  because today we have a special episode for you all.
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  We are talking about Stephen King's It 1990 version, the TV
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  miniseries, Yes. So 3 hours and 12 minutes of
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  early 90s glory. It's a big old movie, big old TV
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  show, so we got a lot to cover here today, so we're going to
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  speed through the opening stuff here real quick.
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  Announcements, Jesse. No.
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  No announcements. OK.
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  Well, I've got her poll results from last week's episode.
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  We talked about Infinity pool. Yeah, we did.
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  So Jesse came up with this neat little situation here.
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  So. The question is, you're arrested
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  and sentenced to death. Would you rather double yourself
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  to serve your punishment? Or would you rather go into the
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  cube? And the cube we are referencing
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  is the cube from cube, obviously cube, cube squared cube 0.
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  If you're not familiar, just check the series out.
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  They're pretty interesting movies, but do you not find it
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  infuriating that the third cube is not called cube cubed?
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  Cube cubed? Oh, wow.
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  Yeah, you know what? That is a missed opportunity
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  right there. Or that could have been the
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  sequel. Well, the sequel is cube
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  squared, which makes sense because then you just put the
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  two up there as the exponent. I feel like the two should be
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  the cubed though. I know it doesn't make sense
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  numerically, but listen that not important.
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  It also doesn't make sense mathematically.
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  No, it doesn't. None of it makes sense.
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  The movie doesn't make sense. All right, so on Instagram, 85%
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  of the people would rather be doubled and 15 would rather be
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  cubed on Twitter. 75 wants to be doubled, 25 ^3 and we got our
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  blue ski vote. Blue ski?
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  Yeah man, that's a double. Big old double.
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  Most people would rather just let another version of
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  themselves suffer in their place and I respect that.
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  I would go the cube option though, because I don't want to
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  see myself suffer and just give me a fucking puzzle, man.
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  I will. I'm going to die no matter what.
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  So it's it's over with. No matter what, there's going to
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  be a version of me dying. So give me the cube.
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  Let me try. I'll have an opportunity, at
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  least it it feels a bit like we created a trolley problem for
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  ourselves. Almost a little bit.
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  Because I I agree with you. I would go with the Cube, but
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  more from my perspective of the level of involvement I want to
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  have in my own punishment. I want to have choice.
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  I want to go out with some dignity of some sort instead of
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  hiding behind a double. Not that I'm like condemning the
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  people that would want to hide behind a double.
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  I just more of like it's a little bit of an anti
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  authoritarian approach I suppose, because they're both
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  corrupt police systems that we're dealing with here, unfair
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  trials and whatnot, and I think going into the cube at least got
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  a fighting chance. Yeah, you got a chance, yeah.
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  I agree. All right, cool.
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  Well, that's it for our poll. So let's talk about it.
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  Yeah, yeah, Talk about. What it what it does this way
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  for anything that's just. It OK.
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  I didn't know if that was like like, stood for, like,
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  interesting technology. Interestingly, Tim Curry OK, so
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  that joke's away it oh, the bad jokes aside, is that what we're
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  doing? Is that what we're doing?
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  We're throwing them out. No more change of pace for this
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  show. No more bad jokes this episode,
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  All right. We're steering a nice little
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  course here. All right, So this is an
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  interesting one because this is our first TV series that we've
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  ever covered on the show. So the way that this was, it
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  premiered November 18th, 1990. That is episode one.
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  Episode 2 premiered November 20th, 1990 at wide release on
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  ABC because that is the network that it premiered.
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  We watched it on our DVD because that's what we own.
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  That's how we do it. However, if you do want to
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  stream this movie, you can watch it on Tubi.
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  That is the only streaming service that currently has it if
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  you want to stream it through a service, or you can rent it
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  through Amazon or Apple. Written by Warren Steve Cohen,
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  who if that sounds familiar, that's because he wrote another
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  Stephen King movie he did carry, and joining him is Tommy Lee
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  Wallace, who if that sounds familiar, he.
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  Wrote and directed Halloween three.
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  Season of the Witch directed by Tommy Lee Wallace, music by
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  Richard Bellis, and special effects make up Bart Mixon as
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  the Supervisor. And he had a whole team
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  underneath him cast for this. This is the first time that I
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  have ran out of people to list. I had to write it on the back.
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  So OK, so I've got this as adult.
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  And then their kid counterpart. OK, so First off we have Richard
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  Thomas who plays Bill. Don bro, Don bro den bro.
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  I. My E looks like I know Here.
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  Bill Dembrough, welcome to my world.
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  Yeah, so he plays the adult version of Ben or Bill.
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  God to me. Bees.
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  Alright, He plays the adult Bill.
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  And then we have Jonathan Brandis, who plays kid Bill.
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  OK Harry Anderson plays adult Richie.
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  Seth Green plays kid Richie. Yeah, Dennis Christopher plays
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  adult Eddie. Adam Ferrazel plays Kid Eddie.
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  Annette O'Toole is adult Beverly, and Emily Perkins is
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  Kid Beverly. Tim Reed as adult Mike, Marlon
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  Taylor as Kid Mike. John Ritter plays adult Ben.
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  Brandon Crane plays Kid Ben. Richard Mast Masseur plays adult
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  Stanley. Ben Heller plays Kid Stanley.
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  Olivia Hussey plays Ultra and Tim Curry plays Pennywise and
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  there are so many more names that I could have included, but
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  that was enough. I'm on the back of my page.
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  I don't need to keep going. This cast is so stacked, it
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  could be a special at Denny's. Yeah, that is true.
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  There's actually a quote from Tommy Lee Wallace about working
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  with the stacked cast because she says.
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  Let me pull it up here because I think it is interesting.
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  It's on the Wikipedia page here. It's like right away.
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  Also, I need everybody to know that multiple times throughout
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  the weekend we watched maybe starring John Ritter, and every
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  single time I made Travis pour one out for him because I love
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  and miss that man. Rest in peace.
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  OK, here's the quote. I was at first a bit intimidated
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  by all by my All Star cast, but my fears were unfounded.
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  They all turned out to be generous and supportive team
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  players. The child actors were much more
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  of a challenge. I'm especially proud of the
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  adult child pairings as I think we made really astute choices
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  and got really lucky, making it believable that the that that
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  group of seven kids grew up to be that group of seven adults,
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  which is not an easy feat. Okay, Tommy Lee Wallace, 2015.
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  OK, time for us to play our favorite game on this show,
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  Budget or Butt Ted. What do you got, Jesse?
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  What do you think? Well, on the one hand, stacks on
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  stacks on stacks. On the stacks, on the other
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  hand, made for TV. Yes, so I'm going with Bug Ted.
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  Bug Ted Well, Jesse, you'd be surprised.
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  This is bona fide budget. Oh shit.
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  This is a $12 million movie. Wow.
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  And that's 12 million in 1990 money.
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  Yeah, that's a lot. Well, I mean, look at the cast.
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  And that's true. That's true.
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  Stephen King was pretty popular this time of year, this time in
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  his life, and I don't imagine his stuff came cheap.
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  If you wanted to make stuff out of it, that's another discussion
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  for another day. OK, I mean, he's literally got
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  his $1.00 collection. I know that, I guarantee it.
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  It's not on that though. It is going to be high dollar.
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  If you want that you have to pay.
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  So we don't have box office number since it's a TV show, but
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  I do have the amount of viewers that add whenever it released.
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  OK, that's fun. That's a fun new metric we've
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  never had before. Yeah, getting new territory
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  here. We got new things to explore.
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  So this thing. Grossed 30 million viewers.
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  OK, OK. Whenever it's premiered.
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  So that's pretty insane when you think about it.
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  That would have translated to a lot of money.
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  Yeah. I just want to say you can just,
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  you know, use pronouns when referring to the movie.
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  You don't have to constantly refer to the movie by its title.
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  Jesse I thought we said bad jokes are gone, we're not doing
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  them. I didn't agree.
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  OK, that's the reason. IMDb 6.8 out of 10 That seems
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  fair. You know what from?
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  And this is also in a world post the 2020 era remake.
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  So it was like 2018 and 2020? No, it didn't come out COVID
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  year. It's the following year.
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  I think it's 2019, really. It felt like such a long gap,
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  but that's mostly because Finn Wolf hard grew a foot in between
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  filming Part One and Part 2. All of them did, yeah.
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  They fucked themselves so hard with that.
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  OK, so I've got 3 movies here that have a very easy theme for
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  me to pull from because as I said, Stephen King was a very
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  popular boy and he had three movies released that weren't it
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  alongside it in 1990. So the first movie that they
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  have here is Grave or that we have here, excuse me, is
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  Graveyard Shift which that released October 26th, 1990.
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  Budget 10.5 million in a worldwide gross of 11.6.
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  IMDb 4.9. Wow.
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  I'm not even familiar with that. We own it, though.
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  We have it in our like a pack of Stephen King movies in there.
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  Is that the moment David Arquette?
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  I don't know. It's David Arquette, the Stephen
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  King movie, Yeah. I've got it right here.
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  Hold on, let me pull it up. No.
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  But Brad dwarf's in it. No, David Arquette for sure
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  isn't one. Yeah, go ahead, keep reading.
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  I'm gonna find the David Arquette movie.
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  Next up, Misery. Hell yeah.
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  We've recently, or not recently, previously covered this.
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  I'm bad with words. Today it's okay.
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  What a shame for you know a podcast.
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  I. Know it's not ideal, so Misery
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  released. November 30th, 1990, so same
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  month as it and I had a budget of $20 million, worldwide gross
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  of 61.3 million and an IMDb score of 7.8.
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  Big, big score. That's a big movie.
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  People love that movie. Hell yeah, they do.
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  I'm honestly kind of shocked to see IT have a higher score than
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  It, though It is widely considered one of the best
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  Stephen King adaptations of all time.
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  It's a great movie. I love it.
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  But I just people, you hear people talk about it more often,
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  so you would imagine that it would be higher, but I guess
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  not. And the final movie, This one's
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  kind of interesting because it's a TV series adapted to a movie.
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  It's Tales from the Dark Side, the movie that's released May
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  4th, 1990 with a budget of 3.5 million, worldwide gross of 16.3
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  million and an IMDb score of 6.2.
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  Okay. Did you find David Arquette?
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  I'm still looking okay. I'm starting to think maybe I
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  made this up at some point. I'm gonna just pause while you
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  do that update. David Arquette was in Stephen
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  King's writing The Bullet, which we also.
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  So do we. OK, I've never heard of that
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  movie. We own it and I've never heard
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  that's saying something. Well, it's also saying something
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  that there's approximately 300 Saving King properties and about
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  half of them have been adapted for the screen, so.
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  Yeah, and most of them in 1990, apparently.
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  OK, I've got 3 taglines for this and you're gonna hate them.
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  Oh my God, are they all like critic reviews?
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  They're all basically like Stephen King.
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  Gonna make you pee yourself. He's a master of pee pee beds.
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  Master of pee pee beds. That's our tagline.
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  Master of pee pee beds. Master of pee beds.
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  Okay. Well, the actual ones here, So
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  the one that's on the poster is the master of horror.
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  Unleashes everything you were ever afraid of, okay.
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  Which, yeah, not too bad. This one's a better way to say
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  that exact same thing. You're every fear all in one
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  deadly enemy. Yeah, that's explaining the
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  movie without being like, hey, here's a review of the writer,
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  like, which is a whole thing, don't get me wrong.
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  I just like, I want a tagline to be, not a review.
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  I want it to be your elevator pitch, You know what I mean?
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  From the man who took away Michael Myers.
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  Tommy Lee Wallace. I was like, what does Stephen
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  King have against Michael Myers? And then I realized that you
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  were talking about Tommy Lee Wallace.
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  Yeah, cuz it's his movie too. Yeah, that's true.
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  That's true. I got really excited when I saw
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  his name. I saw.
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  I saw your eyes light up. I didn't realize he did this
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  honestly until, like, I started doing research.
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  Like, motherfucker, you did this too.
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  Wow, you redeemed yourself. You went from Halloween 3 and
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  then you went and did it and everybody loved you and I don't
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  know what else you did. I'm so sorry, but you seem like
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  a cool guy and final tagline from the King of Terror.
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  A chilling new dimension in horror.
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  Again, it's just so vague. Yeah, I imagine that this is
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  shit that they were like reading and like their teasers on ABC
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  whenever, like they would show a trailer for it.
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  Yeah, it just feels like they're pulled from, you know, how press
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  and media get early access for reviews?
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  Yeah, Specifically, it feels like lines being pulled from
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  that or from the back of the novel It by Stephen King.
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  You think Stephen King wrote these?
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  No, I'm saying like people that reviewed it.
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  No, I'm asking. They do the same thing on books.
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  Oh, I know, I'm this is me just asking a stupid question, OK?
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  You're the one that said no stupid jokes.
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  I said no stupid jokes, no stupid questions are still on
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  the line. Really.
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  That was a legitimate question and not like a joke question.
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  This is 1/2 and 1/2. OK, I got fun facts.
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  Yeah, give me some fun facts. Let's move on.
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  So there's like, way too much to talk about in a single episode
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  for us on the show. So I tried to pull what I
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  thought was the most interesting bits of information that's
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  relevant. This was an ambitious
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  undertaking. It is, yeah.
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  And let's see how we do. So far, I think we're doing OK.
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  So it began production after the success of Pet Cemetary in 1989.
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  In fact, that's what caused this big boom of Stephen King movies,
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  because it did so well, everybody was out to make one
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  interesting. I'm not a huge fan of pet
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  cemetary. I'm I like the original way more
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  than the remake. I think it's like it's OK.
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  But as an adaptation of the book, I think it's also just
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  like that level of grief is really hard to capture on screen
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  when you're also like, I don't know, it feels like the movie
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  Pet Cemetery was more focused on like, ooh, Zombie Child versus
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  like, you know, not to be pretentious, really good
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  meditation on parenthood and groove.
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  And when it goes and when it goes like the book is an
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  absolute gut punch. So it just it doesn't live up to
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  it for me. I'm not trying to brag as
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  somebody that just doesn't read like you fucking nerds.
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  You guys read books, but with Stephen King stuff, it probably
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  does help to not have read most of his stuff.
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  That way I can just go in and just accept the movie for what
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  it is, 'cause I I thought Pet Cemetery was pretty sweet.
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  It's got that boy from New Nightmare.
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  Yeah, the kid actor. The kid that's like way too old,
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  like because he goes not fair. Is he the kid that gets ran
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  over? Yeah.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  A little wind to go, ABC acquired the rights to the
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  miniseries of it and greenlit it to be an 8 to 10 hour series.
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  It was originally planned to run over four or two hour blocks.
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  Oh my God, Can you imagine? I know it would have talked
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  about ambitious undertaking right there.
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  That would have been crazy. It would have been so amazing.
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  So one of the things, I haven't read the novel in a long time,
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  you know, I would reread it, but what up, Zach.
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  A friend borrowed it and moved out of the state all the way
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  down in Texas. You know, there's that.
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  I'm just kidding. Pay it forward, borrow it to
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  give it away to somebody else. But it like, and this is
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  something that the newer remake did a little bit more of, which
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  is kind of demonstrating how the whole town is a little bit
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  corrupted by the evil. They give a little bit of lip
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  service to it in this in this one, you know where she talks
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  about, yeah, Mr. Ross, and like the whole town is infected in
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  some way. All right, cool.
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  We can check that off the list. I think it's funny that they
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  just say that, but that I guess just like, oh, an old man, like
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  witnessed something horrible and that's fucking every town.
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  That's not gonna be just like dairy.
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  Oh whoa. He just turned a blind eye to
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  like a woman being cornered by men.
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  That happens everywhere. Yeah.
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  So it it really does. The thought of having an 8 to 10
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  hour like, yeah, limited series sounds amazing.
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  It would be really great to explore dairy.
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  Well, that's interesting because George Romero thought the same
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  thing 'cause he was originally going to direct this movie.
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  Yeah, so he he was super excited.
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  He got like deep into the project.
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  He went as far as working with effects guys already.
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  He had already done storyboards, but scheduling conflict came up.
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  He had to work on the Night of the Living Dead remake in 1990,
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  which directed by Tom Savini. So you can thank Tom Savini for
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  him not being part of the IT movie.
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  So yeah, forced him to leave and then as he did that ABC shorten
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  the series then to 4 hours. This upset George Romero being
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  let go because it reminded him of him being let go from pet
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  cemetery also. Ohh no.
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  Which, yeah, fucking sucks. And that's zombies.
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  And he's like, that's my territory, I can fucking do
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  that. So yeah, could have had him do a
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  couple of Stephen King things apparently.
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  Ohh OK so after that happened it then got dropped to a three-part
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  series and then after that once Tommy Lee Wallace signed on they
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  then they then dropped it to a two-part series.
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  They're like, my man's out here putting that Halloween three,
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  you're gonna do two. We don't trust giving you like 4
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  hours. What?
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  Are you gonna do with that extra hour, Tommy?
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  What are you gonna do? Take Pennywise away?
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  But you would. So yeah, yeah, he like, read
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  the, like, the first part of Cohen's script and he got into
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  it. So he's like, yeah, sure, I'll
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  direct that okay. And he initially avoided reading
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  the book because he wanted to get an objective view on Cohen's
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  draft. But he started noticing that
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  there were issues in the script. So he offered Cohen to do a
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  rewrite on. It Cohen couldn't do a rewrite
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  because it wouldn't fit in his schedule.
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  So this forced Tom Ilya Wallace to read the book and start using
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  it to like just like as a guide while doing the rewrites.
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  OK, which got a quote from him. As Wallace says, one of the
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  things I believe I contributed in my rewrite was just packing
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  in as much of what was memorable about the book.
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  He added the flashback structuring from the book into
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  the script and made sure the screenplay for the second part
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  maintained some of the rhythm of the 1st.
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  And can we? I would like to personally
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  propose a toast to not adding the train run on Beverly in the
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  sewer. Thank you, Tom and.
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  Tom So I got something about that Annette O'Toole okay.
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  She has a quote about that. Okay.
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  She was actually upset that it wasn't in there.
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  Oh, OK. But Annette O'Toole wouldn't
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  have been the one who would have had to act it first of all.
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  Second, you know what? I've got a quote from her here,
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  OK? OK, let me let me hear her side
• 22:28
  of it before O'Toole has admitted to disliking the
• 22:32
  removal of the losers orgy scene, she says.
• 22:35
  This was their greatest attachment to one another.
• 22:37
  She thought they were all going to die and this was a gift she
• 22:40
  was given to each one of them and I thought it was the most
• 22:43
  beautiful, generous, love filled gift and it tied them all
• 22:46
  together in such an amazing way. No.
• 22:49
  What the fuck? No Okay, listen, that is
• 22:54
  literally Bev's mentality in the book.
• 22:57
  Because she was psychologically, sexually and physically abused
• 23:03
  by her father and then later on her live in boyfriend.
• 23:07
  That's not like it. Thinking that the only thing she
• 23:11
  had to offer was her body. And yeah, granted it was more
• 23:14
  than that because it was meant to like symbolize their like
• 23:17
  spiritual connection to one another and how it runs deeper
• 23:20
  and blah blah blah. But still, like they were
• 23:21
  thirteen years old, they went over one at a time.
• 23:25
  They all lost their virginity to her, and Ben was the only one
• 23:27
  that came. What?
• 23:29
  Yeah, they actually got that detail.
• 23:31
  Yes. Oh my God.
• 23:34
  Look, man. Like there's no way that you can
• 23:36
  defend it. Like the fact that a grown man
• 23:38
  wrote a child orgy seen into a book is really disturbing.
• 23:43
  And just I there's no defending it.
• 23:45
  Just it doesn't need to exist. There are better ways to tell
• 23:48
  that. The problem is that like they
• 23:50
  tried to build it up as it's this way that they built this
• 23:53
  connection and the way and that explains it, you know that it
• 23:56
  was Bev giving a gift of herself which it it's coming from a
• 24:00
  place that's literally not acknowledging the psychology of.
• 24:04
  What sex can mean between people and sex can be as meaningless or
• 24:09
  as meaningful as you want it to be.
• 24:11
  But like, that's such an oversimplification of it, and
• 24:13
  it's really kind of trying to hand wash away the whole thing.
• 24:16
  And once again, I must point out that and that a tool doesn't
• 24:19
  have a stake in it because she wouldn't have been the one
• 24:22
  acting it out. I mean, this is also for TV.
• 24:25
  Like, how the fuck can you do that on ABC?
• 24:28
  Yeah, like, no, that's not gonna fly.
• 24:32
  Oh man, I could. Ohh, I'm fired up about that.
• 24:35
  Yeah, sorry. So let's go into the whole made
• 24:39
  for TV process here. So because that this was a TV
• 24:42
  series had to follow a broadcast standardized practices, which
• 24:46
  this meant they were forced to limit the amount of violence,
• 24:50
  blood and gore displayed in the movie.
• 24:53
  So since blood couldn't come from any orifices, they worked
• 24:57
  around it by having it come out of physical objects.
• 25:01
  So that's why the balloon bursts in the blood, which I don't
• 25:04
  know, that happened in the books are not why on like Georgie's
• 25:09
  book was also leaking blood. Like that was just their way
• 25:12
  around it. You could do blood.
• 25:14
  It just can't come out of people.
• 25:15
  Well, and you know what? I kind of like that too.
• 25:17
  Because in addition to ooh, Spooky Blood, it's also like
• 25:20
  defying physics. Yeah, exactly.
• 25:22
  And it's playing into like a child, like overactive
• 25:24
  imagination on the things they're afraid of.
• 25:26
  And boom, there you go. Exactly.
• 25:27
  It still fits the theme of the story really well, yeah.
• 25:31
  Another thing that they had to overcome was Ben's dad's
• 25:34
  skeleton. So they were very antiskele
• 25:39
  meat. It has Mixon phrased it.
• 25:42
  So instead they went with seaweed, because that's also
• 25:46
  disturbing, Mixon says. They didn't want gore, They just
• 25:50
  were OK with rotten decayness. All right, so real thought.
• 25:54
  That was jerky on the man's Skelly.
• 25:56
  I thought that's what that was. Seaweed.
• 25:58
  I really wish. I really wish that we had a
• 26:02
  credit for Skeleton like we do in the original house on Haunted
• 26:06
  Hill. Yeah, Skeleton deserves more
• 26:09
  credits out there's. Yeah, Skeleton is like the
• 26:11
  biggest. Uncredited actor out there
• 26:13
  doesn't get the respect. Not no respect.
• 26:16
  Good to hear though on this show.
• 26:19
  We love you, Skeleton. OK, that's all that I got.
• 26:22
  I mean, there's so much more out there, but that's really that
• 26:26
  all I could get on the show because we're already almost
• 26:28
  half an hour in and we haven't even started talking about this
• 26:30
  movie. Sorry.
• 26:31
  And one more thought. On the whole Bev thing, it kind
• 26:33
  of pisses me off that like, she's the only girl in the group
• 26:36
  and it has to be her body and her sex with her.
• 26:40
  Only that, like, ties the group together.
• 26:42
  I'm sorry. It's just like, I mean,
• 26:44
  especially because there's the whole, like, Richie, Eddie
• 26:49
  subtext. I didn't get the Richie part in
• 26:53
  this one. I got it more in the sequel or
• 26:55
  not the sequel with that remake. But like, I definitely got Eddie
• 26:58
  in this, for sure. Well, like they do as they say
• 27:04
  it as much as they can. For 1990 ABC Television.
• 27:09
  Where is that in the book, by the way?
• 27:11
  The subtext is there. Yeah, like, actually.
• 27:13
  Like, Richie and Eddie are a thing.
• 27:15
  No, it's never like straight. They were like in love, though.
• 27:18
  They were as far as I remember, I don't think.
• 27:20
  It was ever directly said out loud, but it's there.
• 27:23
  The queer reading is there for it, OK And you know, at the end
• 27:27
  of this one, it says it should surprise nobody that he
• 27:29
  consistently works with somebody who looks and acts a lot like
• 27:32
  Eddie. Like that reading is there a
• 27:35
  little bit. I'm just really glad that the
• 27:36
  remake was able to take subtext and make it text.
• 27:39
  I didn't. I guess they didn't really do
• 27:41
  that part justice here because I the guy he was working with did
• 27:44
  not look like Eddie. No, they didn't.
• 27:46
  He looked like the guy from board.
• 27:47
  Bill says it, Then we'll have to believe it, right?
• 27:52
  OK, so we got all that out of the way, so it's time for us to
• 27:56
  go into the good, bad, ugly and absurd.
• 27:58
  OK, so you kick it off this week.
• 28:00
  Jesse, what do you like about this?
• 28:02
  Well, Tim Curry, First of all, I will never be mad about watching
• 28:07
  anything with Tim Curry in it, and I think he does a really
• 28:09
  good job with this because he can be really creepy and
• 28:12
  intimidating while also doing like the dumb jokes and making
• 28:17
  it like. Like, he's a clown, but also
• 28:21
  he'll eat your soul, you know what I mean?
• 28:23
  Like what he's doing. Do you have Prince Albert in a
• 28:26
  can? Why you gotta let him out?
• 28:28
  And it's got like Richie in a full panic and you can believe
• 28:31
  it and it feels like a clown bit, but it's still a scary
• 28:34
  clown bit for some reason, even though it's like.
• 28:36
  A completely canned bit. The funniest part is when he is
• 28:40
  kissing Ben and he's like kiss me fat boy.
• 28:43
  I guess It's so funny. I actually laugh at that part.
• 28:46
  Yeah, and so he's really great. I do like the way they did the
• 28:50
  the structuring of telling the story because it's fuck like an
• 28:54
  800 page book. I think it's over 1100 pages is
• 28:57
  what I saw on the Wikipedia. I guess it also depends on which
• 29:00
  version you read and whatnot, yeah?
• 29:05
  But yeah, it's a long book and I think to make it fit in the time
• 29:09
  they did, they did a really good job structuring it like how
• 29:11
  we're calling people back into dairy and they're each having
• 29:14
  their moment where they're like remembering it and then it also
• 29:17
  like ties into them not having much of a memory until they get
• 29:20
  to dairy. I think it ties all of those
• 29:22
  pieces in really well for the time constraint they had to work
• 29:27
  with and the fact that they're working with like a made for TV
• 29:30
  productions, they had different standards they had to work for.
• 29:32
  It's not just trying to get an R rating, it's like.
• 29:35
  How are we going to be allowed on prime time?
• 29:37
  You know? Yeah.
• 29:39
  So I think they did a really good job with that.
• 29:41
  And all of the acting is phenomenal.
• 29:43
  It is. It's all superb.
• 29:45
  And like I said, it's a stat cast.
• 29:47
  We've got Tim Curry, we've got Olivia Hussey, we've got Tim
• 29:50
  Reed, we've got Johnny in a minor.
• 29:52
  Role I know, like, that's fucking insane.
• 29:55
  She's she's like, a fucking good catcher.
• 29:58
  Like it is. We got a young Seth Green.
• 30:00
  He doesn't even sound like Seth Green yet.
• 30:02
  He doesn't. That was the thing that drove me
• 30:04
  crazy. Like, you don't sound like that.
• 30:07
  What happened to you? Did puberty?
• 30:08
  Went and reversed with you? It was weird.
• 30:12
  That's the tallest that man ever got.
• 30:14
  Yeah, He shrunk, seriously. And his voice got more higher
• 30:17
  pitched. Like it's weird.
• 30:18
  I don't understand it. Yeah, so it's just it's.
• 30:22
  I had like, and I still remember the first time watching this,
• 30:25
  rented it from Blockbuster. Hey, yeah.
• 30:28
  And I'm watching it downstairs in the dark alone.
• 30:33
  And I get to the end of part one.
• 30:35
  And then, like, we had to go somewhere.
• 30:37
  It's like, all right, time to go.
• 30:38
  And I was like. No, I need I, But it's scary to
• 30:43
  beat the clown. The thing about part one is it.
• 30:47
  And so abruptly that it scares me still to this day, like, oh
• 30:51
  shit, Stan kills himself. Oh my God, now we're getting
• 30:54
  creepy music on the menu. Like, what the fuck?
• 30:57
  Like, I can so remember. And I think that's what's really
• 31:00
  special about a movie like this is everybody can tell you where
• 31:02
  they were the first time they saw it.
• 31:04
  Oh yeah, I remember my first. I'm watching it too.
• 31:06
  Yeah, and I just think they did so.
• 31:09
  Much with it. And I always said that it's a
• 31:13
  movie that I feel like would benefit from the advances in
• 31:17
  technology in terms of effects and CGI and practical effects
• 31:22
  too. Don't get me wrong, you know, I
• 31:23
  love practical effects, but I think there's some stuff that
• 31:27
  technology and CGI can do for them too.
• 31:31
  But if this had been the only version of this we ever got, I
• 31:34
  would be perfectly content too. And I think it's still
• 31:37
  absolutely more than has earned its place in staying power for
• 31:42
  sure. All right.
• 31:45
  Go ahead, Okay. I'm trying not to go on too long
• 31:48
  because we've got a lot together with this movie.
• 31:51
  No, you're good. Yeah.
• 31:53
  So a lot of the things that you said are a lot of the things
• 31:56
  that I had written down here. Another thing.
• 31:59
  So like, OK, I remember at the end of the last episode you had
• 32:02
  mentioned that I said that I didn't like this movie.
• 32:05
  I could swear. So I think I thought about it
• 32:08
  and I think I remembered exactly what it was because we had tried
• 32:11
  watching it one time with our friends like a while back, and
• 32:15
  we were kind of like laughing at it.
• 32:18
  And I think that that really influenced my my perception of
• 32:22
  it at the time, because, like, we were just like drinking and
• 32:24
  having fun, weren't really taking it seriously.
• 32:27
  And I feel like we had recently watched the remake.
• 32:30
  So, like, things were just kind of coming across as data and
• 32:32
  cheesy for me at the time. But sitting down and actually
• 32:37
  watching it this past weekend, it was a different experience.
• 32:44
  I had a lot more respect for it. I appreciated what it was doing
• 32:48
  a lot more. I think it also helped having
• 32:51
  the like the atmosphere in the movie is great and I feel like
• 32:54
  we had like a nice overcast day that day.
• 32:56
  So like, it kind of gave like that good creepy atmosphere in
• 33:00
  our house and with our wamp like it just made everything come
• 33:04
  together nice. So like it had this nice creepy
• 33:08
  feeling to it. There is a thing that I feel
• 33:10
  like this movie does well, and this is somebody that hasn't
• 33:16
  read the book, but I hear a lot of criticisms that people have
• 33:19
  had about the other things before.
• 33:21
  And so one of the things that I liked about this one is I feel
• 33:25
  like this one does a good job with having both the adults and
• 33:30
  the kids. Yeah, I do feel like it works
• 33:33
  better with them intertwined the way that they did in this
• 33:36
  because in the remake they, I'm sorry, it's hard not to compare
• 33:39
  with the remake, but that was like the most recent like watch
• 33:43
  of it that I had. And also the problem with that
• 33:46
  is because it was a movie and not a show, they weren't filmed
• 33:49
  back-to-back the kid like that you can do.
• 33:52
  Stranger Things ran into the same problem.
• 33:55
  Oh, with one of the same actors, as a matter of fact.
• 33:57
  Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, that's the thing
• 33:59
  though. You can do back-to-back films.
• 34:02
  People do that all the time. Stupid game.
• 34:03
  Well, they didn't even have the adults cast when they did
• 34:06
  chapter One, though That's a big mistake on their part.
• 34:09
  They taught themselves hard because having the adults and
• 34:13
  the kids and just like have that throughout the movie instead of
• 34:16
  like having one be the kid movie and one be the adult movie, it
• 34:19
  definitely benefits it. And I felt like I was actually
• 34:26
  able to like understand some of the things better in this one.
• 34:28
  Like, I don't know. Like, I never really realized
• 34:32
  that the whole thing about them, like if you leave dairy, you
• 34:35
  pretty much become successful. Like, yeah, you can have kids.
• 34:39
  What a metaphor for, like, small town.
• 34:42
  Yeah, it was weird. But like, I was like, oh shit,
• 34:45
  you know, like, I never really got that before.
• 34:47
  Not that you can't be successful in a small town, but just that,
• 34:50
  you know, like I think it. Helps to be open to more in the
• 34:53
  world. You said in the beginning of
• 34:55
  this that the remake drove home the way that that town was
• 35:00
  cursed more. But this one, I feel like it did
• 35:02
  it better for me because, like, I mean, they just like outright
• 35:05
  said it, which to me, like, I sometimes am dumb, so you need
• 35:09
  to actually say things for me to get.
• 35:12
  But yeah, if I had watched this and they hadn't outright said
• 35:15
  it, I don't think I would have gotten that.
• 35:17
  But yeah, like, I echo everything else.
• 35:19
  So you say Pennywise, it's fucking great.
• 35:22
  He's iconic. He's creepy.
• 35:25
  I love the design of that clown. I think the music in this is
• 35:28
  really creepy too, especially the menu music, which also
• 35:31
  scared Talia. To death.
• 35:32
  Oh my God. We will talk more about Talia at
• 35:35
  the end, but this scared the shit out of her.
• 35:37
  Yeah, it's just all effective to, like, make it like a nice
• 35:39
  creepy experience. And I think one of the things is
• 35:42
  that they just let him look like a clown.
• 35:45
  You know what I mean? I feel like sometimes clowns are
• 35:47
  like, we're gonna make him look like a creepy clown.
• 35:49
  But so much of it, like, yeah, he looks like a normal clown.
• 35:52
  Sometimes there's a little bit of, like, uncaniness to it.
• 35:55
  They'll do like the little changes like add in the fangs
• 35:57
  and stuff like that, but. A lot of it's just in the
• 36:01
  behavior that and I read something whenever I was like
• 36:05
  looking at this stuff. Before that, Tim Curry was kind
• 36:08
  of hesitant to play the role because he didn't want to go
• 36:10
  through those long makeup processes.
• 36:13
  So they, like, agreed to just give him very minimal, just be a
• 36:17
  normal clown. That's it.
• 36:19
  And then he was on board with. That you were also talking about
• 36:21
  the man who came up with his own makeup for Rocky Horror.
• 36:25
  Yeah, I mean, back then he was game.
• 36:27
  That was the 70s, you know, and. The No, but he specifically did
• 36:30
  something simple for that. Is that why he did that?
• 36:33
  Yeah, he's like, I want something simple, quick, easy to
• 36:36
  recreate. Won't take a ton of time in the
• 36:37
  chair. There we go.
• 36:38
  That's. That man knows what he wants.
• 36:40
  Good for him. And honestly, in both of those
• 36:43
  movies it works out for the best because they're very iconic
• 36:46
  characters. Well, and honestly, Tim Curry
• 36:48
  don't need the makeup. You can.
• 36:50
  He can carry that shit. Yeah, he can be creepy.
• 36:52
  He can Curry that shit. Yeah.
• 36:55
  OK, so let's let's talk about some bad for this movie.
• 37:01
  Honestly, I think just and this is coming as the perspective of
• 37:07
  a book reader, I think this is a fantastic adaptation.
• 37:11
  But like I said, when you're working with a like epic, and I
• 37:18
  mean that in the like sense of like a very long majestic story,
• 37:21
  like it's. A lot going on.
• 37:24
  It's hard to fit that into a three hour narrative.
• 37:28
  And they did the best they could and they chose to focus it on
• 37:32
  the seven, which makes the most sense, especially because you
• 37:36
  know that that was a big part of the book, is that there's seven
• 37:39
  of them. There's a lot of numerology
• 37:41
  involved. There's a whole thing and I some
• 37:45
  of it does get a little bit lost when you narrow that focus.
• 37:48
  Again, I understand why it was necessary.
• 37:51
  It just. Like I said, it would have been
• 37:54
  nice to see some more of that dairy world building.
• 37:58
  I can see that. Speaking of somebody who hasn't
• 38:02
  read the book, I have heard many things of a turtle and you know,
• 38:07
  like I I don't. I'm I'm sure it plays a very
• 38:12
  important role in the book, however.
• 38:14
  Sure. I wanted that part of it.
• 38:16
  I thought I wanted more of dairy.
• 38:18
  I'm speaking just as my own thing here.
• 38:20
  No, I I I agree. Like world building like dairy
• 38:23
  would have been cool. I I do feel like the second
• 38:26
  movie does a good job of that or not.
• 38:27
  The second the remake does a great job of that.
• 38:30
  But yeah, I think that some of that stuff is OK being left out.
• 38:35
  I think what we got is a very cohesive story.
• 38:37
  I think it ties them together well, I don't think.
• 38:40
  I think that they they must have done a good job cutting that
• 38:43
  stuff out because I didn't feel lost.
• 38:45
  Yeah. And I think it probably helps a
• 38:47
  little bit that Tommy Lee Wallace started it from a place
• 38:50
  of I'm going to read the script and then he kind of filled in
• 38:52
  the gaps by reading the book rather than the other way Rams,
• 38:55
  which normally people would be so pissed if you didn't read the
• 38:58
  source material. But it kind of worked out I.
• 39:00
  Think a lot of people that have read the source material are
• 39:04
  like, no, you left the right parts out OK?
• 39:09
  Like in the It's so convoluted. How they defeat it in the book?
• 39:14
  Which it's one of those things, sure.
• 39:16
  It's fun to read about because it's a whole like fantasy land
• 39:20
  in a way really, really hard to capture on film.
• 39:23
  As I think we saw attempting to do the Ritual of CHUD, or
• 39:26
  whatever the fuck it's called in the remake, I think you're
• 39:32
  talking about CHUD. No, it's pronounced a certain
• 39:35
  way. I don't.
• 39:36
  I don't. It's a whole fucking thing.
• 39:39
  I like that it's simplified. But yeah, I do think we missed
• 39:43
  out on some of the larger world building though, OK?
• 39:47
  Is that all for your bad? Yeah.
• 39:48
  All right, so I got a couple things here.
• 39:50
  OK, so First off, I always find it super distracting that
• 39:56
  Stephen King inserts himself in every fucking thing that he
• 40:00
  does. Bill is so obviously Stephen
• 40:03
  King, a fucking horror movie writer or a horror book writer
• 40:07
  or whatever that is working on a movie.
• 40:10
  It's not even that. It's the way adult Bill is
• 40:12
  styled, too. And it's like it's so.
• 40:16
  Obvious. It's almost like he's like in I
• 40:18
  have a super hot wife, Olivia Hussey, and I write horror
• 40:21
  movies and I'm super successful. Like it's just like, it's so
• 40:25
  distracting. It kind of takes me out of it
• 40:26
  every single time. Like that's that's Stephen King
• 40:29
  right there. He's definitely writing himself
• 40:30
  right here. It just always takes me out of
• 40:32
  it especially. I feel like this is the worst
• 40:35
  offender of them all, though I'm not mad about it.
• 40:38
  That's fine, but that's a negative for me.
• 40:41
  That's it's just one of my things.
• 40:43
  I think it helps him to be a better writer if he can insert
• 40:46
  himself in the story that way. Bill is not the most interesting
• 40:49
  character in this movie. Oh, I agree.
• 40:52
  I'm just saying I think it helps him put himself in the story a
• 40:55
  little bit better. If he's got a character, he can
• 40:58
  OK relate. To all right my second thing.
• 41:01
  Henry Bowers is kind of a non factor in the second part of
• 41:03
  this movie. I completely, I had him blown up
• 41:07
  so much in my mind and then we get to his part in Part 2 and I
• 41:11
  was like, ohh that was over real fast.
• 41:14
  They like they basically just swat him away and like ah and
• 41:16
  he's like alright, so Henry's dead I guess he got hair white
• 41:22
  and he got saved by opinionwise dog so I don't fucking know.
• 41:28
  And then the other thing, why don't they simply attack it when
• 41:33
  he's not in the sewer? Why do they never just pounce on
• 41:37
  him whenever he is? You know, they're out in the
• 41:40
  open or like antagonizing them when they're all together.
• 41:44
  I think it's that fear of not because they've all seen what it
• 41:48
  can turn into. So I think there's that fear of
• 41:51
  it. And it's also just a little bit,
• 41:53
  you know, the whole thing about a childhood fear, childhood
• 41:56
  nightmare. Like it is really hard to jump
• 42:02
  head first into something that is a great unknown.
• 42:06
  And this is not even just the metaphorical, like, you know,
• 42:10
  jumping head first into the unknown.
• 42:12
  They're small children. They literally don't know what
• 42:14
  his full capabilities are. I'm.
• 42:16
  Speaking of them as an adult also, because it happens many
• 42:20
  times whenever they're at the motel, they like penny wise.
• 42:24
  It's just like fucking with all of them.
• 42:26
  They could have just easily just fucking ganged up on him like,
• 42:29
  hey, he's here and then they just start beating the shit out
• 42:31
  of him. To be fair, that is what they
• 42:32
  end up doing. In the sewer, not in the actual
• 42:36
  motel. Like they're all like ah,
• 42:37
  because Pennywise isn't like it's true form, It's just the
• 42:42
  form it uses most easily to move around dairy.
• 42:45
  But he could like it's still him.
• 42:46
  He's not like portraying. He's not, like, doing like, an
• 42:50
  image of himself from within the sewer.
• 42:54
  Like he's still, like he can still feel obviously.
• 42:58
  Like he's still, like, physical, Yeah.
• 43:01
  It's just, you know, that wouldn't have killed him all the
• 43:03
  way. Well, it would have helped
• 43:06
  instead of, you know, that's just a thing.
• 43:08
  I'm offering an explanation. I know.
• 43:10
  I'm just offering a bet. There's got to be something bad
• 43:13
  about this thing. All right?
• 43:15
  Absurd. Ugly.
• 43:17
  No, no. Ugly.
• 43:17
  I'm sorry. Ugly.
• 43:18
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 43:18
  You know, like how racism and homophobia are and fat phobia
• 43:29
  and slut shaming and, you know, ableism, all all of the things
• 43:37
  that the losers represent. And even having to say, like,
• 43:39
  that the losers are representing them feels a little bit ugly.
• 43:43
  Yeah, yeah, there there's. And I think that's an important
• 43:45
  piece that we've got these quote UN quote outcasts and they're
• 43:49
  all coming together and they've all faced like widely normalized
• 43:57
  social like outcasting. I'm reusing that word.
• 44:02
  But you know and the fact that they're all stronger together
• 44:06
  for it, but it also it just it's like literal othering.
• 44:10
  So it's I, I mean, it's just it's just an ugly fact of our
• 44:15
  society. Yeah.
• 44:18
  I agree with all that. And I also think like in
• 44:21
  particular like other than like the racism is racism is one of
• 44:24
  the worst things. Yeah, Mike's characters.
• 44:26
  How do we get, how are we not allowed to have blood coming out
• 44:29
  of orifices? But we're allowed to have a hard
• 44:32
  R What the fuck, ABC? America, this is just America.
• 44:38
  Jesus can't say gay. But go ahead and say one of
• 44:42
  like, yeah, I'm not gonna say it.
• 44:46
  Yeah. No, no, but.
• 44:48
  Hate speech. Yeah, you're right.
• 44:49
  It's really jarring to just hear it out right there.
• 44:53
  I don't know. That's kind of not cool that
• 44:55
  they allow that to be on TV, but whatever.
• 44:59
  I think also Eddie's mom. Is really, really fucking shitty
• 45:04
  in this. Like the fact that she lied
• 45:06
  about him having. I mean, that's a full of
• 45:08
  Munchausens by proxy, right? Like.
• 45:10
  Yeah, it's it's just so fucked up.
• 45:12
  Like you make him think that you're like he's got something
• 45:15
  wrong with his lungs, but it's just like an inhaler full of
• 45:18
  water. Like it's just it's so fucked
• 45:21
  up. That's like, yeah, so that those
• 45:25
  are the uglies of this movie, I guess, Yeah.
• 45:27
  Well, especially because like I use an inhaler, like, and it's,
• 45:31
  well, I use multiple inhalers because I have actual like
• 45:34
  asthma that's been tested multiple times, gets tested
• 45:37
  regularly to see how my medication levels are doing all
• 45:40
  of that. And there's certain things that
• 45:44
  you can breathe through and there's certain things that you
• 45:46
  need actual medication to get your lungs to stop being stupid.
• 45:50
  And it's clear with Eddie that like the medication helps them,
• 45:56
  but in part because it's forcing him to take deep breaths.
• 46:00
  So maybe if his mother actually like helped nurture, you know,
• 46:06
  the self reliant parts of himself, he could be a more well
• 46:12
  adjusted adult. But she's just super selfish
• 46:15
  instead and just has to have Eddie for her entire life.
• 46:18
  He won't. He's not allowed to be an adult.
• 46:21
  It's so fucking crazy, but she's clearly got some of her own
• 46:24
  stuff going on. Oh yeah, it doesn't excuse her
• 46:28
  ruin in his life. No, not at all.
• 46:30
  That's fucked up, man. Eddie.
• 46:31
  And then he dies. Like, Eddie just gets the worst
• 46:33
  of it in this movie and he gets called Spaghetti Man.
• 46:36
  Yeah, Spaghetti Eddie. OK, absurd.
• 46:45
  I mean so much of it. Because like, it's literally
• 46:50
  like things like voices in the sewer and drain pipes being
• 46:57
  pushed wide open and yeah, like it.
• 47:01
  And it's absurd in a great way. Like and it it's played so
• 47:06
  perfectly straight, like as straight as you can play a clown
• 47:12
  by Tim Curry. Like he does such a good job
• 47:15
  with it and it's just it's all absurd nightmare slash clown
• 47:22
  stuff, but it's just fantastic. Yeah, I've wrote down a few
• 47:31
  things, OK. So I think it's so fucking
• 47:36
  absurd that everybody in this friend group became super
• 47:40
  successful. That's not realistic.
• 47:44
  That's so weird. Like, I get it.
• 47:46
  I guess. Like.
• 47:48
  Oh, you leave dairy. You're not cursed anymore.
• 47:49
  You're going to be success. But it's just so fucking
• 47:53
  ridiculous that everybody became this huge, like famous people.
• 47:59
  Big horror author, big comedian, big architect, big cab driver,
• 48:05
  service guy. Well, some of that's just like
• 48:09
  businessmen, you know? But it's absurdly successful.
• 48:13
  Like when if you take this. Sample of kids and find out how
• 48:19
  these people actually turn out as adults.
• 48:22
  It's not going to be that stacked in their favor.
• 48:25
  There's might be one person that is super successful while the
• 48:29
  rest of them are not. Part of that is the suspension
• 48:31
  of display. If you have to have one reading
• 48:33
  a book because your main characters need to be
• 48:36
  interesting, something has to hinge upon their abilities.
• 48:39
  I think it's interesting that they have a shit life and
• 48:41
  they're like, oh fuck no, I got to go deal with this shit.
• 48:44
  That sounds way better to me. Like, ah, so I'm over here doing
• 48:47
  my next movie. Oh, what?
• 48:49
  It's back off. Fuck.
• 48:50
  All right, I'm going back to dairy.
• 48:51
  I kind of like not being stressed for them, not being
• 48:55
  able to pay their bills. Cuz normally when something like
• 48:57
  that happens in a movie and it's somebody that's like struggling,
• 49:01
  working a shitty job and it's like, oh cool, now I have to
• 49:04
  take unpaid time, buy a plane ticket.
• 49:07
  I can't afford a hotel stay. I can.
• 49:10
  I'm stressed for those people. It's nice not to be stressed for
• 49:13
  them. I I disagree.
• 49:14
  The worst that's going to happen is they might die.
• 49:16
  I think it's better to have people that you relate to.
• 49:20
  I don't relate to these people. I relate in the wrong ways when
• 49:24
  that happens though. Well, I mean, I just find it way
• 49:27
  more believable. And these, they're just like,
• 49:29
  oh, whatever, OK, you're a fucking rich architect.
• 49:32
  Whatever, man. Go fight a clown.
• 49:33
  I guess I don't give a shit. I think that it's also
• 49:40
  ridiculous that a group of kids making a promise and then as
• 49:44
  adults they all stick true to their promise that they made as
• 49:48
  children. That's not going to happen.
• 49:51
  Stan doesn't. Richie almost doesn't.
• 49:55
  Stan doesn't, but like, he has. Like his whole other reason.
• 49:59
  He could have just said Nah and just like stayed alive.
• 50:02
  But he didn't. And then the final battle, the
• 50:08
  whole just beat up a spider. Yeah, and the spider, like, they
• 50:13
  run up to the spider and like, cow tip it and they just start
• 50:16
  punching its tummy and the spider doesn't, you know?
• 50:20
  Doesn't even do like the cat like kicking you with.
• 50:22
  It's like, you know, chest like that right there.
• 50:25
  Like it just like, ah, well, Bev had already hit it with the
• 50:28
  silver, so it was injured, boy it was.
• 50:32
  And I was getting close to the end of its hunting season.
• 50:34
  For for a giant spider, it's just very underwhelming.
• 50:39
  Honestly, and I'm terrified of spiders.
• 50:41
  But that spider? Not so much.
• 50:45
  OK, that's it for all of that. So let's give it our ratings.
• 50:49
  So what do you want to rate this thing?
• 50:53
  8 out of 10. 8 out of 10, OK, I think, honestly, I'm right there
• 51:02
  with you. I think that this is like a
• 51:03
  solid 8, All right? It's pretty fucking good.
• 51:06
  So we're starting off with an average of eight. 8 Alright,
• 51:09
  right. Are we ready to go through it?
• 51:10
  Let's do it. And we might go through a little
• 51:13
  bit quicker pace than normal just because there's a lot of
• 51:15
  ground to cover. So that's, yeah, we're not
• 51:18
  trying to rush through, just don't want to take up three
• 51:20
  hours if you're all stay. Yeah, OK, All right.
• 51:23
  So we start off seeing a little girl being called in by her
• 51:29
  mother and as she starts to come in she sees Pennywise in the
• 51:34
  clothesline and then when the mom comes out to check on her,
• 51:39
  we just see the tricycle tipped over and the mom started
• 51:42
  screaming. This scared the shit out of me
• 51:45
  as a kid. Whenever I watched it, it's such
• 51:47
  a good cold open. It is.
• 51:49
  And the little laugh that he gives there is like go, but it
• 51:56
  scares you And it's so weird and I don't know, it's it's weird.
• 52:00
  It does a good job of like putting you in that space
• 52:03
  though. And then Mike comes up to ask
• 52:05
  one of the detectives about some of the details, cuz he's
• 52:08
  concerned because there's been like what, 6 missing kids, some
• 52:14
  are dead, some are confirmed dead and the chief is like you
• 52:17
  need to get out of here. And he's like, no, I'm just
• 52:19
  concerned and he's like there's nothing to be concerned about
• 52:20
  this. It's probably just a runaway and
• 52:22
  he goes, she's 4, Did she run away to Tahiti?
• 52:27
  Yeah, there's been like a lot. And he keeps going to all the
• 52:29
  crime scenes, so they're getting kind of annoyed at Mike for
• 52:32
  being around there all the time. It's also some of the dairy,
• 52:36
  then, like not wanting to dig deeper.
• 52:38
  And Oh yeah, they want to. They don't want to look into.
• 52:41
  They want to turn a blind eye to it.
• 52:43
  I get it. But what makes this one
• 52:45
  different, as this time Mike sees a picture of Georgie?
• 52:49
  Oh, Georgie, which prompts are for I'm gonna just divide part
• 52:53
  one into this, into the different kids.
• 52:55
  OK, so we've got Bill and what he's doing is he's working on
• 53:00
  writing. He is adapting one of his books
• 53:02
  for a movie that his wife is starring in because she's an
• 53:06
  actress and it seems like the perfect setup.
• 53:09
  And he even jokes that if one of his books is going to be
• 53:11
  mangled, at least he can be the one to mangle it.
• 53:14
  Definitely not any Stephen King self insertion at all
• 53:17
  whatsoever. You think he's talking about the
• 53:20
  what? The The fucking movie with the
• 53:23
  cars coming to life? Maximum OverDrive.
• 53:26
  Yeah, okay, yeah, maximum OverDrive.
• 53:28
  Cuz he is like, yeah, I'm directing it.
• 53:30
  I'm making this thing a shitty thing.
• 53:31
  If it's gonna be shitty. I think he's talking about The
• 53:34
  Shining, which that wasn't mangled, but it didn't receive
• 53:38
  nearly the same level of critical raves.
• 53:44
  He hated it. So, yeah, well, he hated Stanley
• 53:47
  Kubrick's. Yeah, that's.
• 53:48
  What I'm saying yeah. So anyway, when he gets his call
• 53:51
  from Mike, he remembers Georgie. He remembers the last time he
• 53:57
  saw him because he was sick in bed and Georgie wanted him to
• 54:00
  play. And yeah, they have the typical
• 54:02
  like brother banter and he's like, uh, get away from me.
• 54:05
  He's like, OK, but I. Love you.
• 54:06
  Yeah. He's like, Bill, what's going?
• 54:08
  What's not? What's wrong, Bill?
• 54:10
  Why are you sick? I've come down with the case of
• 54:12
  the cooties. So he had made this little
• 54:16
  sailboat for Georgie and they got to seal it with paraffin
• 54:19
  wax. And Even so, little Georgie's
• 54:21
  afraid of the basement when he goes down and grab the paraffin.
• 54:24
  Yeah, and he's so excited to go play it and.
• 54:28
  I felt so sad for Georgie watching it this time around.
• 54:31
  I don't know what it is like as I get older.
• 54:33
  I just seeing these kids like this, I think it's definitely,
• 54:37
  it's being older and having like years of experience now, but
• 54:41
  also like having kids in our lives that.
• 54:44
  That's part of it, 'cause I whenever I watched this, I was
• 54:47
  singing of our nephews and nieces, yeah.
• 54:49
  Yeah, it's just, uh, yeah, it's heartbreaking.
• 54:53
  And he's just chasing his little sailboat now, playing a stupid
• 54:56
  kid game. Like, what is fun about chasing
• 54:58
  about in a puddle? I don't know, but it's.
• 55:01
  Fun as a kid, Yeah. He's 5, so it's a good time.
• 55:05
  It's great. And then he's so heartbroken
• 55:07
  because it goes down the drain and it's not like in his mind,
• 55:13
  it's not so simple for Bill to just make another one out of
• 55:17
  another newspaper. No, this is something his
• 55:20
  brother made for him. It was a very important, special
• 55:23
  gift and he wants to get it back and so when a clown pops up in
• 55:29
  the great for whatever reason. He has great instincts is what
• 55:33
  he has. He's like, oh, I can't talk to
• 55:34
  you. You're a stranger.
• 55:36
  Yeah. However, Pennywise knows the way
• 55:38
  to get around that with children.
• 55:40
  Oh well, my name is Pennywise. So now we're not strangers
• 55:44
  anymore. And he's like, yeah, that makes
• 55:45
  sense. So that tracks, that tracks,
• 55:47
  That is exactly what my parents told me about stranger danger.
• 55:50
  That is the full extent of it. Would you like to eat my arm?
• 55:53
  Yeah, this is you'll float too. Is there any like importance to
• 56:00
  that? Well cuz the deadlights make
• 56:03
  them. Float.
• 56:04
  That's what that meant. Yeah, okay, I got it.
• 56:06
  Yeah, you'll float too. Well, his it's kind of like a
• 56:10
  rapturing, but worse. I see that, yeah.
• 56:13
  His delivery of like. Whenever Georgie asked if the
• 56:17
  balloons flow is like, yes, Georgie, they float.
• 56:21
  It's like it's almost euphoric for him.
• 56:24
  Yeah, it is. And it's always like, ever since
• 56:27
  watching as a kid registered weird to me.
• 56:29
  Yeah, but. And it's supposed to.
• 56:31
  Like. Yeah, it does a good job.
• 56:34
  So Georgie, you know, reaches for his boat and then Penny Wise
• 56:37
  takes the opportunity and grabs his arm and we just get the old
• 56:41
  teeth. Yeah.
• 56:42
  Can't show the eating the arm, but you have to imply it because
• 56:44
  yeah, well and like in the book it details like a neighbor
• 56:49
  coming out and seeing like just a bright splash of yellow and
• 56:53
  red. Didn't that happen in the remake
• 56:55
  too? I think it maybe it didn't.
• 56:59
  I don't know. I think they.
• 57:00
  I think they so. That more dairy being shitty.
• 57:02
  They saw the events, yeah, but they don't give a shit.
• 57:04
  OK? Kid got eaten in the sewer,
• 57:06
  whatever. And then they cut to the funeral
• 57:09
  and bills back at home looking through photo album and one of
• 57:15
  the pictures of Georgie moves and winks at him.
• 57:18
  So he freaks out, drops the album, and the album starts
• 57:21
  flipping pages on its own. And then it's hers, bleeding,
• 57:23
  and he calls her his parents. And his parents are like, what
• 57:26
  the fuck? Yeah.
• 57:27
  Why are you even in Georgie's room right now?
• 57:29
  Like that's he misses your fucking kid.
• 57:32
  That is some slow ass motherfucking Jeff bullshit,
• 57:35
  boy. Oh yeah, You're not.
• 57:37
  You're not. My son's dead.
• 57:39
  I don't give a shit that your brother's dead.
• 57:41
  My son's dead. Fuck you.
• 57:43
  My son died. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of shitty.
• 57:47
  And the mom goes over there to pick up the book and Bill is
• 57:51
  freaking out because she is not seeing the blood but blood
• 57:55
  smearing all over the place. Just that's a bloody book, and
• 57:58
  nobody seems to notice except for Bill.
• 58:01
  Bill can't believe that he forgot all about that.
• 58:03
  And he tells Audra he's got to leave because he made a promise
• 58:08
  of so many years ago, 30 years ago.
• 58:11
  I like that he's actually up front about this shit.
• 58:13
  Everybody else is like, nobody called.
• 58:16
  He's like, I'm Stephen King. Horrible shit called New York
• 58:22
  City. Ben RIP John Ritter.
• 58:26
  Big old successful architect man stumbles out of his limousine
• 58:30
  drunk as fuck, and he's got a hot date.
• 58:34
  They go upstairs and they're about to get a little funky.
• 58:37
  But Mike, the Ultimate Cock Black.
• 58:40
  Yeah, dude, yeah, Mike knows the right time to call all of these
• 58:45
  people. He calls and Ben gets a little
• 58:49
  bit upset. Yeah.
• 58:50
  How come? Yeah.
• 58:51
  And he tells his girlfriend. Sorry, you're not.
• 58:54
  You know you're not getting these blueprints.
• 58:56
  He does it in a way that is very rude, like she goes over to
• 59:00
  embrace he. Puts the hand in her face and
• 59:04
  then he walks over to get another drink.
• 59:07
  But I just like seeing that. I would never do that.
• 59:10
  But he does not care about her. Obviously.
• 59:12
  He's gotta go drink on the rooftop and remember the time
• 59:16
  that a teacher made things a lot worse for him because he's new
• 59:20
  to class, He's introduced himself and the bullies are
• 59:24
  making fun of them. And the teachers, like Henry
• 59:25
  Bowers, I'll see you in detention.
• 59:27
  And Henry Bowers, like, I'll kill you.
• 59:29
  And then the teachers, like, do you want extra detention?
• 59:31
  And then, like, Oh dear God, please, he will actually
• 59:34
  literally kill me. Not the teacher's fault.
• 59:35
  And it's just Henry Bowers being a stupid little asshole.
• 59:38
  Yeah, but it's also one of those things that like sometimes
• 59:40
  teachers are like, all right, we're gonna punish the bully and
• 59:43
  like, not doing anything to protect the child that is going
• 59:46
  to be. You gotta of it I.
• 59:49
  You gotta make, you gotta give them consequences.
• 59:51
  Like, you know, like they do have to have consequences, but
• 59:54
  when the child is like literally sitting there saying I'm going
• 59:56
  to kill you because of this, you need to also react to that.
• 59:59
  Report them to the cops for sure.
• 1:00:01
  Teachers are mandatory reporters, so.
• 1:00:04
  Yeah, true. But they didn't do that, And he
• 1:00:07
  said sticks to Beverly and he is immediately infatuated.
• 1:00:11
  Yeah. And then, yeah, they talk a
• 1:00:13
  little bit after school. Some Mean Girls are like, oh,
• 1:00:17
  some girls, some janitors. We're fathers, like, whatever.
• 1:00:20
  At least he's paying the fucking bills.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. So as Ben's trying to walk home
• 1:00:26
  thinking about Beverly Mars, Jennifer did, Yeah, he of course
• 1:00:34
  gets accosted by the bullies, and they do actually cut him in
• 1:00:40
  the book. Obviously they can't show this
• 1:00:42
  on TV. But yeah, like, part of what
• 1:00:44
  happens when his memory comes back is the scar comes back.
• 1:00:47
  Really. Scar had disappeared.
• 1:00:48
  Yeah. I'm just trying to imagine like
• 1:00:50
  Tommy Lee Wallace negotiating that with a BC Like how much kid
• 1:00:53
  cutting can I get away with in this?
• 1:00:55
  No kid cutting, Tommy. No, it's like, ah, goddamn.
• 1:01:00
  That's why I did this whole thing.
• 1:01:02
  So yeah, Ben puts up a fight and kicks off of Henry and he goes
• 1:01:07
  tumbling down the side of the road and they go chasing.
• 1:01:11
  And then Ben finds a nice little sewer pipe to go hide in.
• 1:01:14
  Yeah. And Henry.
• 1:01:15
  And that's how you preserve your dignity, kids.
• 1:01:20
  Eddie and Bill are down there and they're like, I didn't see
• 1:01:23
  anybody. And so Henry's like, yeah, well,
• 1:01:25
  fuck you and steals Eddie's inhaler.
• 1:01:27
  Yeah, all poor Eddie. When they're gone, Ben comes out
• 1:01:32
  and he stays with Eddie so Bill can go get his inhaler refill.
• 1:01:39
  So Eddie and Ben like they talk about life and dead fathers as
• 1:01:44
  you do. Yeah.
• 1:01:45
  Oh, shit. Yours is dead too.
• 1:01:46
  Yeah. OK, OK, gotcha.
• 1:01:50
  Yeah. Eddie's dad died of cancer and
• 1:01:53
  his mom latched onto him as an emotional lap dog.
• 1:01:58
  Poor Eddie. And then Ben's dad died in the
• 1:02:01
  war, so they had to move in with his shitty aunt and shitty or
• 1:02:04
  cousin. Yeah, it's kind of like a Harry
• 1:02:06
  Potter type of it really, is it? Kind of felt like, except she's
• 1:02:10
  got a parent. By the way, and when Bill comes
• 1:02:13
  back, I have written down here certified Bubby moment because
• 1:02:16
  that's when you mentioned they're puppies.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah, you just like looked at me building a damn together and
• 1:02:20
  there's like, whistling in there, let me tell you about.
• 1:02:23
  Yeah, it was just funny because you just, like, looked at me.
• 1:02:26
  I went the puppies like that certified bubby moment right
• 1:02:30
  there. That needs to be a thing.
• 1:02:32
  As Ben is in his room writing a postcard poem to Bev, his cousin
• 1:02:39
  comes in and is a real jerk, and his aunt comes in as an even
• 1:02:42
  bigger jerk. His mom's like, listen, I know
• 1:02:44
  they're jerks, but you need to apologize for being a jerk.
• 1:02:47
  And Ben's like, I wasn't a jerk. He goes, yeah, but you know, my
• 1:02:50
  aunt's kind of or your aunt's kind of a jerk, so you need to
• 1:02:53
  apologize to her anyway. And Ben's like, fuck this, I'm
• 1:02:55
  out of here and. Talk to this.
• 1:02:56
  You're being a jerk. He runs away, and then he sees a
• 1:02:59
  ghost dad in the marsh, which then turns into Pennywise.
• 1:03:03
  That that's a creepy transformation.
• 1:03:05
  Like every time it cuts back to him, there's like one part.
• 1:03:07
  Yeah, like the the buttons turning into the pom Poms is the
• 1:03:10
  one that gets me. That's the creepiest one.
• 1:03:12
  And then it cuts back to him and he's just got the clown pants
• 1:03:14
  on. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Oh my God, he's holding the balloon.
• 1:03:17
  It's very creepy, but let's not worry about that.
• 1:03:19
  Let's cut to Shikak. Shikak.
• 1:03:24
  So Beverly, with Beverly by hand, gets a call, but Tom says
• 1:03:29
  she can't take a call right now. OK, Pamela, we got business to
• 1:03:34
  do and Bev's like, but I would really like to take no calls and
• 1:03:39
  don't you ever under my knee again.
• 1:03:42
  They got like this big deal going on with some Japanese
• 1:03:45
  clients and they go over there to introduce them.
• 1:03:48
  And does she enter? Does she do something to
• 1:03:51
  embarrass him or something? I don't understand what happens
• 1:03:53
  here. I think it's just a moment where
• 1:03:55
  like she's supposed to be the person in charge and there's
• 1:03:59
  like a moment of like is she going to be allowed to do do it
• 1:04:03
  when it's her business? Cuz the way he's so controlling.
• 1:04:06
  That's how I always interpret. It and the people that are there
• 1:04:10
  meeting them are just, they look super uncomfortable and they're
• 1:04:14
  like, do I bow now? I guess I bow.
• 1:04:16
  I don't know what's happening. There's bad vibes with Bev and
• 1:04:20
  Tom. Yeah, but they reluctantly bow
• 1:04:23
  and everybody bounce back and well, the meeting must go well
• 1:04:27
  because they're having champagne and sex later.
• 1:04:30
  Yeah, I don't think they quite make it to sex.
• 1:04:32
  Yeah, they're having champagne in bed and he's got his shirt
• 1:04:35
  off that much, it's true. But they run out of champagne.
• 1:04:39
  He takes the last drink, of course, because fucker you like
• 1:04:41
  halfway up is it to her and he's.
• 1:04:44
  Like, I just kidding, Yeah. Gonna go get another.
• 1:04:47
  And then as she is alone, yeah, he she gets a call and he she's
• 1:04:52
  packing when he comes back and she's like, I gotta go, it's
• 1:04:56
  this whole big thing. And he slaps her and brings out
• 1:04:59
  the belt and then you know what Ben does?
• 1:05:01
  She starts throwing shit at him and she's like, don't you ever
• 1:05:03
  touch a lay a hand on me again or I will fucking kill you.
• 1:05:06
  Yeah, back to the ugly. This is another thing here.
• 1:05:08
  Like the fact that he brings out the bell and he's like, it's
• 1:05:10
  been a while since we've had to do this.
• 1:05:13
  Like, Jesus, this has been like, he just like, fucking punishes
• 1:05:16
  her. It's just so.
• 1:05:18
  It's disturbing, all upsetting. And I love this moment of her
• 1:05:21
  just being like, no, fuck you, I will kill you if you do this
• 1:05:24
  again. Yeah, and she gets her flashback
• 1:05:27
  moment all the way to O'Hare. And her flashback is making dad
• 1:05:32
  breakfast and getting a little Ding Dong on the doorbell.
• 1:05:34
  And it's a postcard. It's a cute little postcard.
• 1:05:37
  Your hair is January. Your hair is.
• 1:05:40
  Ember fires. Winter fire.
• 1:05:42
  January embers. My heart burns there too.
• 1:05:46
  Yeah. Good job, Ben.
• 1:05:47
  And he's over there watching from the bushes, and she takes
• 1:05:51
  it inside and her dad sees it and reads it and gets really
• 1:05:56
  upset that she's messing around with them boys.
• 1:05:59
  Like, it's the it's not even like, damn baby booty.
• 1:06:03
  So juicy. Like it's literally you're
• 1:06:06
  really pretty. Your hair is nice.
• 1:06:08
  And I honestly, if they started using like Coolingo like that,
• 1:06:12
  he might not understand like damn girl ass fat thick yo.
• 1:06:15
  And it's like. Damn okay.
• 1:06:18
  I don't know what that means. Well, they spelled foul with a
• 1:06:20
  pH, so I don't know. This is clearly, this is
• 1:06:22
  chemistry. Yeah, okay.
• 1:06:23
  Yeah. So is this your chemistry
• 1:06:25
  homework? Wow, they must have found new
• 1:06:26
  elements. Okay.
• 1:06:28
  Yeah. So basically he calls her a slut
• 1:06:33
  and hits her. I wonder if she develops her
• 1:06:36
  taste in men so she runs off and while she's running, Ben comes
• 1:06:43
  and running too and he's like, hey, how are you?
• 1:06:45
  And it almost feels in a way, like he set this up like.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah, right. Which clearly he didn't, you
• 1:06:50
  know, assume that her father's abusive.
• 1:06:53
  But you know, he's like, I can use this moment to like dads,
• 1:06:58
  you know, like, mine's dead, but yours is a jerk.
• 1:07:01
  They're the worst. My dad was just a clown.
• 1:07:04
  What the laugh on yours? She's like, not really happy
• 1:07:09
  that he's there, but he's like, you know what?
• 1:07:10
  Just come with me and we're going down to the Barons and
• 1:07:12
  we're gonna go build a dam, Yeah.
• 1:07:14
  And while they're down there, they meet Richie and Stan and
• 1:07:16
  they all build a dam together. But Beverly is into Bill.
• 1:07:22
  Yeah, she assumes Bill is the one that wrote it, cuz he's the
• 1:07:24
  writer after all. Poor Ben.
• 1:07:26
  Heartbreaking. Yeah.
• 1:07:27
  Feel bad for the dude? Yeah, on the way home, she was
• 1:07:30
  like very distracted watching after him.
• 1:07:33
  And Ben's like, OK, I get it. And Bill does like the nerdiest
• 1:07:36
  thing is like I hold silver. He does it every fucking time he
• 1:07:40
  gets on that bike. It's second hand embarrassment.
• 1:07:43
  Every single time. But then she sees that she's
• 1:07:44
  like ohh Bill and. Ben's like, alright, I'm going.
• 1:07:48
  He's like, who are you? Fine.
• 1:07:52
  What? Jerry Bill.
• 1:08:03
  So when she goes back into her apartment that night, she's
• 1:08:07
  brushing her teeth and she hears little voices in the drain.
• 1:08:09
  That's creepy, Yeah. And then as she's leaning
• 1:08:12
  closer, oh you know, just one of those casual drain blood bubbles
• 1:08:16
  burst right in her face. Yeah, and she asked who it is.
• 1:08:19
  And like Vicki, there was a bunch of.
• 1:08:22
  Names Vicki Burrows and Matthew O'Connor.
• 1:08:24
  We're the dead kids. What?
• 1:08:26
  They say. Hey, we're the dead kids.
• 1:08:28
  And she goes, and she's like daddy, Daddy.
• 1:08:30
  And he like, he comes and he's like, what is it?
• 1:08:31
  What is it? And he's like hands all in the
• 1:08:33
  blood and touching her face with the.
• 1:08:35
  Blood. That's the thing.
• 1:08:36
  Like, anytime they touch blood, they have to make it as
• 1:08:38
  upsetting as possible. Yeah, Tommy's like, OK, so no
• 1:08:42
  blood from orifices and no kid cutting.
• 1:08:45
  Didn't say you couldn't put blood in orifices, so she covers
• 1:08:51
  says. It was a big spider.
• 1:08:53
  Which I would still be freaking out about that.
• 1:08:55
  Like I would think that the spider is moved on from the
• 1:08:58
  sink, not gone back down the drain, but you know, whatever.
• 1:09:01
  Good cover. Yeah.
• 1:09:03
  So now we gotta go to Great Night New York, where Eddie's
• 1:09:08
  mom's like Eddie. Eddie, don't leave the house.
• 1:09:12
  Eddie, where are you going? Can you imagine if she also
• 1:09:15
  caught him? Eddie's spaghetti like Eddie
• 1:09:17
  spaghetti? Get back here.
• 1:09:18
  I'm surprised she calls him Eddie and not like Edward.
• 1:09:21
  Edward. Yeah, like he's she's it's still
• 1:09:25
  a kid. Yeah, I guess there is that.
• 1:09:28
  It's just, uh, it's such a such a icky dynamic.
• 1:09:32
  Yeah, she really used him as like a surrogate husband.
• 1:09:36
  And it's so icky. It's so.
• 1:09:37
  Fucked up, man. There's a lot of layers there
• 1:09:39
  that I don't really want to. I don't want to unpack.
• 1:09:41
  I don't have the emotional energy to unpack all of the
• 1:09:45
  trauma these children went through.
• 1:09:46
  Yeah, but he got his call and he's getting ready to go, so
• 1:09:50
  he's assertive with his mother for once in his life.
• 1:09:53
  Good. For him, six up for himself and
• 1:09:55
  like on the way. He's like talking to his
• 1:09:57
  business partner, like trying to make sure he's like, I want you
• 1:10:00
  to handle the Pacino job. I don't trust anybody else,
• 1:10:02
  which I would feel honored if I was trusted with the Pacino job.
• 1:10:05
  I got very big vibes that this is Eddie's lover.
• 1:10:09
  Well, no, he said. He's never been with anybody.
• 1:10:11
  I know that. But the way that this guy is
• 1:10:14
  like, I'm not concerned about that.
• 1:10:15
  I'm concerned about you, Eddie. Like it just seemed very like
• 1:10:18
  they had a very intimate relationship.
• 1:10:19
  And then whenever they like, he's like waving partners.
• 1:10:22
  Yeah, whenever he's waving on the train, partners like he's
• 1:10:26
  tearing up, looking at him. Partners.
• 1:10:30
  I know, but I'm just trying to say like, yeah.
• 1:10:32
  It seemed like I got that he was in a relationship with him.
• 1:10:35
  I didn't necessarily get the whole thing with him and Richie.
• 1:10:38
  But like, yeah, there seems to be something there.
• 1:10:41
  You may not have had sex, but it doesn't mean he's not had a
• 1:10:43
  lover. You know what I mean?
• 1:10:47
  Lovers don't have to be sexual okay.
• 1:10:50
  I just always connotate lover with the okay.
• 1:10:54
  I wanna Make Love right na na, na.
• 1:10:56
  He may not have ever had sex, but that doesn't mean that he
• 1:10:59
  hasn't met his soul mate and has made an intimate connection.
• 1:11:03
  Okay Okay. Is that better?
• 1:11:04
  Yes. Less fucking involved there.
• 1:11:06
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:11:07
  Great, great. And let's move on.
• 1:11:09
  Yeah, let's go back to watching Wolfman and the Paramount and
• 1:11:13
  Eddie kicking some popcorn on Henry Bowers and his friends.
• 1:11:16
  And you know what Richie does. Richie goes and makes things
• 1:11:20
  worse by dropping his trick on him intentionally.
• 1:11:23
  Richie's Richie's got a lot of, what a balls to him right there
• 1:11:28
  to do that. This this guy is like willingly.
• 1:11:29
  Just like opening up his knife and threatening to cut people
• 1:11:32
  all the time so they have to go running off.
• 1:11:35
  Eddie's mom is incredibly overprotective.
• 1:11:38
  Hates all of his friends. Says that he's not allowed to
• 1:11:41
  shower with the other boys after class.
• 1:11:45
  This isn't a normal thing, like I never had to shower in my
• 1:11:48
  school. It was always optional for us.
• 1:11:50
  We didn't. I guess we didn't have operating
• 1:11:52
  showers from like it was. It was optional for us, and I
• 1:11:56
  made a point of never getting sweaty enough in gym class to
• 1:11:58
  need a shower. Yeah, I mean, I would never do
• 1:12:01
  it. Like most of the time after gym
• 1:12:02
  class, like I would have practice after school.
• 1:12:05
  Anyway. It's like how many fucking
• 1:12:06
  showers am I going to take in a day?
• 1:12:07
  I you know how I feel about showers.
• 1:12:09
  There is undue necessary in life.
• 1:12:12
  I will take a shower because I have to, because we live in a
• 1:12:16
  society. But if I had the option to never
• 1:12:19
  shower, I would probably do that.
• 1:12:20
  I just hate it. It's it takes up too much of my
• 1:12:23
  day. Okay anyway.
• 1:12:25
  Stinky. I wish I didn't stink so I
• 1:12:27
  didn't have to shower. So yeah, his coach or his PT or
• 1:12:33
  P. P/E P/E teacher forces him to
• 1:12:37
  stay behind cuz he didn't shower so he has to go in there and
• 1:12:40
  take a shower. Now you take Phys Ed, you sweat.
• 1:12:43
  Do we really think Eddie sweat during Phys Ed?
• 1:12:45
  Do we think Eddie got that active?
• 1:12:46
  Do we think Eddie was last picked and probably got
• 1:12:50
  immediately kicked out and? Dodgeball.
• 1:12:53
  Eddie's not fit. He's gonna get sweaty no matter
• 1:12:56
  what, so anyway, he has to go take what's probably a more
• 1:13:00
  terrifying shower than a shower with all the other boys, which
• 1:13:02
  is a shower alone where all of the noodles come to life.
• 1:13:06
  Attack him with hot water and then a drain opens and stop
• 1:13:09
  motion animation. Which is great.
• 1:13:12
  Oh my God, it's. Yeah, it's so intense.
• 1:13:14
  Like it adds something to it. I like it.
• 1:13:17
  What? And Pennywise pops up and good.
• 1:13:20
  He just creeps out Eddie and take it easy.
• 1:13:24
  All he's doing is just building up the fear and all these
• 1:13:27
  people. Well cuz the kids taste better
• 1:13:29
  when they're afraid. Yeah, OK, so now we're backstage
• 1:13:34
  and Richie's finishing up a show and everybody's so excited about
• 1:13:38
  Richie. Fuck yeah Richie, no beep beeps
• 1:13:40
  for you. We want you to keep going and
• 1:13:42
  he's excited and he's celebrating and he gets a show
• 1:13:44
  backstage and it just ends all of the fun for him.
• 1:13:48
  So he tells his manager that he needs to be gone for a few days
• 1:13:51
  and the manager is like, what about your hosting gig and
• 1:13:53
  you're supposed to sub in for Leno?
• 1:13:55
  Holy shit. Yeah, Who's doing?
• 1:13:56
  Who's gonna do Carson? Yeah, like, holy shit.
• 1:13:59
  Yeah, good for you. Man.
• 1:14:01
  And we get a late reveal of where he is.
• 1:14:02
  It's like, by the way, Beverly Hills, like, whoo, That was like
• 1:14:05
  a big drop right there. Whoo, He's made a big It was so
• 1:14:09
  like a hit or miss if we got a card for their locations.
• 1:14:13
  So well, we got all of them up front except for his and this is
• 1:14:16
  like reveal it in the middle like.
• 1:14:18
  By the way, he's in Beverly Hills like it's like a big drop.
• 1:14:22
  But yeah, the manager's like, I think that's his manager, that
• 1:14:25
  he's like super pissed at him because he is just like
• 1:14:27
  abandoning boy. He's the manager money too.
• 1:14:30
  So I get him. But Richie made a promise when
• 1:14:32
  he was 12, so he's got to stick to it, even though he's so
• 1:14:36
  scared thinking about the Wolfman that he throws up.
• 1:14:38
  Yeah, he's he's the most affected by it.
• 1:14:42
  I feel like. Well, Nah.
• 1:14:43
  Ben almost jumped off the building.
• 1:14:46
  Never mind, he didn't just throw up.
• 1:14:47
  There's a lot going on there. So we in the flashback, Bill is
• 1:14:52
  telling a campfire story, and they all talk about what they
• 1:14:55
  want to be when they grow up. Eddie wants to be a train
• 1:14:58
  conductor. Richie wants to be a rock'n'roll
• 1:15:01
  singer. Ben wants to be an Air Force
• 1:15:03
  pilot. Stan wants to be an
• 1:15:05
  oronthologist. Bev wants to be a painter.
• 1:15:09
  Police officer sees them and yells at them.
• 1:15:11
  But then, like, it feels very much like a panicked parent,
• 1:15:16
  like screaming, like get out of there.
• 1:15:17
  And then he's like, OK, but listen, there was like a body
• 1:15:19
  found. So yeah, you guys need to stick
• 1:15:22
  together no matter what. Yeah, make a promise.
• 1:15:24
  And he, like, he gets in on the promises.
• 1:15:25
  Like, put your hands on mine. Let's all promise together that
• 1:15:27
  you guys are gonna do this. We see Richie and Henry fight in
• 1:15:31
  the cafeteria and Richie's made to go get a mop.
• 1:15:35
  But when he can't get into Mr. Marsha's closet, he goes down to
• 1:15:39
  the basement. And when he's down there he sees
• 1:15:41
  the Wolf Man. Yeah, which is also penny wise.
• 1:15:44
  Yeah, the Wolf Man. Not scary, but when he turns
• 1:15:47
  into a clown, that's scary. Beep, beep, Richie.
• 1:15:51
  Yeah, When he runs back up there and he's like telling everybody
• 1:15:54
  in the cafeteria what he saw. Everybody was laughing except
• 1:15:57
  for his group of friends. Yeah, well cuz they get.
• 1:16:00
  And with Richie, I don't think that there were so much laughing
• 1:16:03
  at him. They're like laughing with him.
• 1:16:05
  They think because he's a funny guy, that's a total Richie move
• 1:16:08
  to come in and say, hey, there's a werewolf in the basement, now
• 1:16:11
  it's Mike's turn. Mike can't call himself someone
• 1:16:14
  said. He's journaling about the Lucky
• 1:16:16
  7, and this is how he came to join their group.
• 1:16:19
  So in class he's sharing a photo album about dairy and the
• 1:16:22
  history of their tragedies every 30 years.
• 1:16:25
  HM Weird that the teacher doesn't really want to know,
• 1:16:27
  Marsh. Like, this is morbid.
• 1:16:28
  Let's just be done. Yeah, Henry and Co racially
• 1:16:35
  target Mike after school. They threatened him with a
• 1:16:38
  firework. I don't understand, they said.
• 1:16:42
  Your dad has caused my dad a lot of trouble.
• 1:16:44
  Like, is there more export with that?
• 1:16:46
  And like another thing, I don't remember the full context of it,
• 1:16:50
  but at the root of it, it's just racism.
• 1:16:53
  OK, I figured as much. But I didn't know if there was
• 1:16:54
  like other things going on between their parents.
• 1:16:58
  So the rest of the group is down at the barons and they're
• 1:17:02
  telling their stories about everything they've been
• 1:17:05
  experiencing, all of the weird stuff, all of the scary stuff.
• 1:17:08
  Mike is running and he climbs the fence into the quarry or the
• 1:17:13
  barons or whatever, and Henry and his group follow him.
• 1:17:20
  And the other six are just like, you know what?
• 1:17:22
  We've had enough and we're going to protect this kid and we're
• 1:17:25
  going to throw rocks at Henry Bowers and all it takes is 1
• 1:17:28
  rock and a couple kicks to the butt for Henry Bowers to be
• 1:17:31
  like. Whoa, fucking rock, Sir.
• 1:17:34
  But I like how his friends just like back away from him as soon
• 1:17:38
  as he goes home, like they don't even really try.
• 1:17:41
  And Henry is like, really? He's a real tough guy, cuz like
• 1:17:44
  he's been. Like knocked out by these guys
• 1:17:47
  here. He's like, I'm gonna kill you.
• 1:17:48
  And I like Richie's like get some new material.
• 1:17:51
  Like, yeah, cuz he says it every single time.
• 1:17:54
  Yeah. So then they all are like, all
• 1:17:56
  right, this is Henry called them the loser's club.
• 1:17:58
  So they're like, OK, I guess we're the loser's club and then
• 1:18:01
  Mike takes a picture. Yeah.
• 1:18:02
  He's like, all right, I got a camera.
• 1:18:03
  Let's, you know, let's do this. Let's make it official.
• 1:18:06
  And he shows them his album, and there's photos of Pennywise in
• 1:18:10
  there. And then, of course, the photos
• 1:18:12
  start moving. Because this is it.
• 1:18:15
  Um, yeah. Pictures from over 200 years
• 1:18:17
  ago, by the way. It's like illustrations of them.
• 1:18:19
  Yeah. And uh, yeah, they found like
• 1:18:21
  this one picture of like a town. Like I guess like the very first
• 1:18:24
  like iteration of the town town fair or something is.
• 1:18:27
  Going on Tiny wise comes down the street.
• 1:18:30
  That always. Oh my God.
• 1:18:32
  It creeped me out so much as a kid.
• 1:18:34
  Like, he comes back flipping all the way down there, and then he
• 1:18:37
  gets up on the lamppost and points at them and growls at
• 1:18:39
  them and then gets it right up in the picture and he's like,
• 1:18:41
  oh, I'm gonna get you guys and, you know, just laughing at him
• 1:18:45
  and just being very creepy. And yeah, Bill is like the thing
• 1:18:50
  killed my brother, and I want you guys to help me kill it,
• 1:18:54
  like. OK, that's why I'm getting kind
• 1:18:57
  of deep here. And Mike wakes up and he hears
• 1:19:01
  footsteps in the library. Doesn't see anything besides a
• 1:19:03
  balloon next. To him, that's creepy.
• 1:19:06
  In Atlanta, Stan is reading the paper while his wife is sewing
• 1:19:10
  some pants. They talk about having kids.
• 1:19:14
  Mike calls, and Stan is a little panicky on the phone.
• 1:19:18
  He's very noncommittal about showing up to dairy and after he
• 1:19:22
  hangs up, he tells wife he's going to go take a bath.
• 1:19:25
  Yep. So in his flashback, he is with
• 1:19:31
  the group the Losers Club. They're practicing with a
• 1:19:33
  slingshot and Bev is the best. And the plan is that they're
• 1:19:37
  going to shoot Pennywise with silver.
• 1:19:39
  Richie stole his mom's earrings. Good for her, honestly, because
• 1:19:42
  those fuckers are ugly. Those are some ugly earrings.
• 1:19:45
  I didn't even know those were earrings.
• 1:19:47
  I was just like, yeah, I got some like, silver blobs here.
• 1:19:50
  Those are like the ugly mom earrings that like way down the
• 1:19:53
  ear lobes. You know how old ladies have to
• 1:19:55
  stretch out your lip? That's those are the earrings
• 1:19:57
  that did that. Good job, Richie.
• 1:20:02
  They all take a puff of Eddie's inhaler, and then they start
• 1:20:07
  climbing down the sewer together.
• 1:20:10
  And Henry and his goons follow, because of course they do.
• 1:20:13
  And he's like, all right, we're gonna split up.
• 1:20:16
  I didn't catch the one guy's name.
• 1:20:18
  Henry and Belch, we're gonna go one way, and the other one was
• 1:20:20
  gonna go the other way. Except he doesn't last very
• 1:20:23
  long. No.
• 1:20:25
  He, like, goes down there and is immediately just eaten by this
• 1:20:28
  giant thing. Yep.
• 1:20:29
  And then Henry and Belch get Stan from the back of the group
• 1:20:36
  and. Drag him away and then they hold
• 1:20:38
  him up to a knife and then all of a sudden the light comes out.
• 1:20:41
  Yeah, light bursts the pipe and it kills belch like sucks him
• 1:20:45
  into the pipe. The way that they did that, it
• 1:20:47
  looked great. It's so creepy.
• 1:20:50
  Yeah, it is like they did a great job doing that and then
• 1:20:53
  that wasn't enough to, like terrify Henry.
• 1:20:56
  He's like, OK, whatever, stop joking around, Belch.
• 1:20:58
  Like, alright, cool. You did your flying trick once
• 1:21:01
  before, but like, it comes back out.
• 1:21:05
  And then the lights show, and it shows it to Henry, and he turns
• 1:21:10
  instantly white, like his hair goes white from fear.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah, the light is Stan runs back to the Losers Club and
• 1:21:17
  light passes over all of them and they hold hands.
• 1:21:19
  How did it not get them? Because they were all holding
• 1:21:22
  hands. It's it's a whole thing about
• 1:21:23
  their group having like a power together.
• 1:21:26
  That's why it's so important that they all stick together,
• 1:21:28
  and that's why it was so important that they all return
• 1:21:29
  to dairy. OK, well that much did not get
• 1:21:32
  communicated as well in the movie.
• 1:21:34
  Yeah, so they're all holding cans and they all have to try
• 1:21:38
  and resist the things that scare him.
• 1:21:39
  But somehow Pennywise still manages to break into the
• 1:21:42
  circle, and he gets Stan, and Eddie comes over and he says,
• 1:21:47
  hey, this is battery acid and sprays Pennywise in the face
• 1:21:51
  with his inhaler. And then Bev hits him in the
• 1:21:53
  head with the earring and he jumps down a drain and they're
• 1:21:57
  like, he's hurt. He's probably dead.
• 1:22:00
  Which is the same line of thinking that Bev's dad had
• 1:22:02
  about the spider that you disagreed with.
• 1:22:04
  Yeah, you can even hear Pennywise.
• 1:22:06
  Then they're going like he's hurt, he's not dead.
• 1:22:12
  Then they all crawl out and they're like, OK.
• 1:22:14
  If this thing ever comes back, we promise we're going to come
• 1:22:16
  back and finish the job. And then they all make a
• 1:22:19
  promise, and Stan is the very last one to promise it, like,
• 1:22:23
  passes over him. And then he's like, fine.
• 1:22:25
  Yeah. Stan's wife goes upstairs to
• 1:22:28
  check on him. Has a beer for him.
• 1:22:30
  Has a beer for him. It's beer.
• 1:22:32
  It's the name of the beer is beer.
• 1:22:34
  It's a good beer. It's clearly a Miller Light, but
• 1:22:36
  it just says beer. And he has cut his wrist and
• 1:22:43
  written it on the wall. And part one just ends and it
• 1:22:47
  just ends. Just like that, yeah.
• 1:22:49
  You don't get anything. So Part 2 starts with Bill
• 1:22:53
  visiting Georgie's grave, and while he's there, he sees
• 1:22:55
  Pennywise, who says that he's got 7 graves.
• 1:22:58
  One of them's already filled up, so we don't know who that is.
• 1:23:02
  Well, we know who it is, still doesn't know who it is.
• 1:23:06
  And then we get a close up on Bill's face and a beadlet of
• 1:23:11
  sweat with a bunch of foundation mixed in.
• 1:23:14
  And it's so distracting. Like, could somebody not have
• 1:23:16
  just gone over and dabbed his face real?
• 1:23:19
  No. So distracting.
• 1:23:21
  So he goes to the library and talks to Mike.
• 1:23:26
  More memories are coming at him and.
• 1:23:30
  OK, this is like one of the shittiest things here.
• 1:23:32
  So they're there and like, ah, yeah, this is like the poor part
• 1:23:34
  of sound. Yeah, Bev used to live over
• 1:23:36
  here. Wow.
• 1:23:36
  It's so it's poor and shitty looking.
• 1:23:38
  And they're like, OK, let's go to your house, Mike.
• 1:23:40
  And Mike's, like, right here. Fuck you.
• 1:23:44
  Right. Like, Oh yeah, we're all super
• 1:23:46
  successful. You are too.
• 1:23:47
  Right, Mike? Yeah.
• 1:23:48
  Oh, OK, Yeah. And he's like, oh, also, I still
• 1:23:52
  have all of the traumatic memories because I stayed in
• 1:23:54
  Derry to, you know, keep an eye on things.
• 1:23:56
  It's cool. It's fine.
• 1:23:57
  It's cool. It's cool.
• 1:23:59
  Also, you're gonna take my role and give it to Ben in the
• 1:24:01
  remake. That's fine too.
• 1:24:03
  Also. So he's like, I did buy this
• 1:24:09
  tube repair kit several months ago, don't know why.
• 1:24:11
  And then, not too long ago, I found this bike in the pawn
• 1:24:14
  shop. And guess what?
• 1:24:16
  It's silver. Yeah, and he's like starting the
• 1:24:19
  talk. He's like, yeah, well I got this
• 1:24:20
  urge to buy this like kit to fix up the bike and then like 3
• 1:24:24
  months like, waiter, I found your bike.
• 1:24:26
  So I don't know. I feel like something's all kind
• 1:24:27
  of, like happening as a purpose. So Richie's driving in and he
• 1:24:32
  sees his own epitheph on the Paramount's marquee, and then he
• 1:24:36
  goes to the library to find Mike.
• 1:24:38
  And while he's waiting there, Penny Wise is dropping blood
• 1:24:41
  filled balloon bombs on him and he starts freaking out.
• 1:24:45
  And he's trying to tell one of the other librarians to let Mike
• 1:24:49
  know that he's going to be at the hotel.
• 1:24:51
  But because Pennywise is like making dumb jokes, which I feel
• 1:24:54
  like is really the right taunting tactic with Richie,
• 1:24:57
  instead of just insulting Richie like he does his own bit at him.
• 1:25:00
  Yeah, and Richie's like shouting.
• 1:25:04
  It's like when people have headphones in and they're like
• 1:25:06
  shouting at you even though you can't hear what they're hearing.
• 1:25:09
  That's what he's. Doing right in her face.
• 1:25:13
  It's just great. In this whole scene I thought it
• 1:25:15
  was funny watching the blood balloons like pop in people's
• 1:25:18
  faces cuz the actors have to pretend like they're not like
• 1:25:20
  that's happening but every single one of them do like a
• 1:25:22
  minor flinch like fucking blood just shooting all over your face
• 1:25:27
  suddenly. Yeah, it's great.
• 1:25:30
  We have a nice little montage of Mike and Bill writing silver.
• 1:25:34
  I like that. That was fun, and it ends
• 1:25:37
  abruptly when they go to add cards to the spokes and
• 1:25:41
  Pennywise is all the fact of the cards.
• 1:25:44
  Ben is in a cab and he asked the cab driver to pull over at the
• 1:25:47
  bridge, and he walks down there and he remembers the bullies for
• 1:25:50
  a minute. And then he realizes he's
• 1:25:52
  watching actual bullies chase a little chubby kid.
• 1:25:55
  And as the kid falls like Ben goes over and shoes him away,
• 1:25:59
  and then he gives this kid tetanus.
• 1:26:01
  No, no, no, Bill. As soon as you're been, as soon
• 1:26:04
  as he gets back into town, he is affected by the Shitty dairy
• 1:26:08
  part because he watches them chase the kid and then insult
• 1:26:11
  them and like fuck with them and then they leave on their own and
• 1:26:14
  then he runs over to check on them.
• 1:26:16
  He doesn't help at all. He's like, yeah, that shit
• 1:26:18
  happened to me too. I'm gonna let that happen to
• 1:26:20
  him. He might become a successful
• 1:26:21
  architect one day. I need to point out that he
• 1:26:24
  takes his dirty hanky out of his pocket and dips it in this
• 1:26:28
  infested water dabs, this kids knee and it's like you totally
• 1:26:33
  won't get an infection. Alright, go at it, kid.
• 1:26:37
  Don't worry, you're gonna grow up to be John Ritter.
• 1:26:39
  One day you'll be on Three's Company.
• 1:26:42
  It would be great coming knock on auto.
• 1:26:45
  He starts singing this up coming, Knock on auto, yeah, So
• 1:26:51
  he he gets back into the cab and drives off and on the side of
• 1:26:55
  the road, Pennywise is here. And he gets a balloon in his car
• 1:26:59
  and it says, turn back now or something like that.
• 1:27:03
  Yeah. So Eddie is at the drugstore
• 1:27:09
  refilling his bullshit inhaler prescription.
• 1:27:14
  For a minute I was like, how is he filling this prescription?
• 1:27:16
  I was like, it's because it's a placebo.
• 1:27:18
  Yeah. And he's still going along with
• 1:27:21
  it even though he knows. And he flashes back to the
• 1:27:23
  pharmacist telling him that his mom is, you know, abusive.
• 1:27:27
  And as a 12 year old, he was like, I don't understand any of
• 1:27:30
  this. This is beyond my grasp to
• 1:27:32
  really articulate on a subconscious level.
• 1:27:34
  I know exactly what you're talking about, but I haven't had
• 1:27:36
  the proper channels to process this.
• 1:27:40
  But today I'm gonna go talk to this old man.
• 1:27:43
  All I can remember is from the remake when he's like.
• 1:27:47
  I talked to the pharmacist. He told me you're giving me
• 1:27:49
  gazebos. This is really funny.
• 1:27:54
  And then like, the pharmacist is there on the side and he's he's
• 1:27:58
  got issues, he's having memory problems.
• 1:28:00
  But he seems to remember the whole placebo thing until Eddie
• 1:28:07
  realizes that it's actually it. And he gets and he's like, all
• 1:28:11
  right, don't go fucking around here.
• 1:28:12
  And then it turns back onto the old man.
• 1:28:15
  Yeah. Beth is at her old apartment and
• 1:28:19
  learns her father died five years ago.
• 1:28:21
  And I fully believe that she would have been out of context
• 1:28:24
  long enough to not even know that her father died.
• 1:28:26
  So. Yep, totally believe it.
• 1:28:28
  Mrs. Kirsch is living in there, invites him in for some, invites
• 1:28:34
  her in for some tea, and uh, it's getting a little a little
• 1:28:38
  creepy pretty quickly. You know the way she slurps down
• 1:28:42
  her teeth. And yeah Oh my God all black
• 1:28:45
  and. I can look past the slurp of the
• 1:28:47
  teeth. Some people are just weird.
• 1:28:48
  She's old. She probably don't give a fuck
• 1:28:50
  anymore. She's like, alright, I don't
• 1:28:51
  just give me that bullet, but uh, yeah.
• 1:28:54
  Then she turns into an old woman.
• 1:28:56
  Like more of an old woman. Like a deceased old woman?
• 1:29:00
  Yeah, yeah, like a corpse. Yeah, yeah, and chases.
• 1:29:03
  I thought that this was creepier than.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah, yeah, cuz like, the makeup looks really good.
• 1:29:09
  Yeah, it's almost like you don't have to be afraid of an older
• 1:29:13
  woman's body for her to be creepy.
• 1:29:15
  It can just be the acting. Yeah, the acting and just like
• 1:29:17
  the decay and look on her and it's just it's upsetting
• 1:29:21
  honestly. Seeing her chase Bev.
• 1:29:23
  But Bev makes it out and then Pennywise is there and you know,
• 1:29:27
  hooking it up like he always is. And then Bev realizes, oh shit,
• 1:29:31
  the. Board like it's been boarded up.
• 1:29:33
  Yeah, it's abandoned. How the fuck is she getting in
• 1:29:35
  there? Nightmare Magic.
• 1:29:38
  Nightmare magic. I guess so.
• 1:29:40
  Meanwhile, Andrea is talking to the director, Greco, who is
• 1:29:44
  threatening her career if she leaves.
• 1:29:46
  She's like, I can replace your husband.
• 1:29:47
  I don't give a shit about him. I can't replace you.
• 1:29:50
  If you leave this, I will make sure you don't work in this town
• 1:29:52
  again and she's like, OK, I understand.
• 1:29:54
  And then as soon as he's gone, she's calling for a ticket.
• 1:29:57
  Nope. So there's a group dinner at the
• 1:29:59
  Chinese restaurant. Richie has to collect himself
• 1:30:02
  for a minute before he can approach his friends.
• 1:30:03
  And I do like seeing the sight of him, because I think if we
• 1:30:06
  just saw him joking around it would be hard to take him
• 1:30:08
  seriously. But seeing the way he, like,
• 1:30:11
  panics for a minute in the bathroom, you know that it
• 1:30:13
  really, like the joking really is a mask he uses to kind of
• 1:30:17
  deal with life. He's more of a mess as an adult.
• 1:30:19
  Thing is, as a kid because you got more of his sense of humor,
• 1:30:22
  like quite hard in this as in his kid scenes.
• 1:30:24
  But here you see him like constantly have to like, step
• 1:30:27
  aside and collect. Himself.
• 1:30:30
  So Bev is the last one to arrive, and as soon as she gets
• 1:30:34
  there she faints. When she wakes up, she kisses
• 1:30:37
  Bill and nobody acknowledges it. She kisses Eddie too, right?
• 1:30:41
  She's just on the cheek, but she like plants one on Bill.
• 1:30:44
  Yeah, it's so fucked up. And Bill's like, I'm fucking
• 1:30:46
  married, but he doesn't say that.
• 1:30:48
  He's like, yeah, this is cool. I'm Stephen King.
• 1:30:50
  I get 2 bitches, so they're all like working to remember things.
• 1:30:57
  Eddie is like, I remember nothing and then somebody says
• 1:31:00
  the word sewer and it's like he was a sleeper agent that was
• 1:31:02
  activated. Wow.
• 1:31:04
  It's all coming together. They all start feeling a little
• 1:31:08
  bit better. Being together is what they say
• 1:31:10
  and they have dinner. We learned that Henry confessed
• 1:31:13
  to all the child murders, and that's the only part that they
• 1:31:17
  believed of his confession. When he talks about the clown
• 1:31:21
  and the sewer and all of that, they're like, yeah, that doesn't
• 1:31:22
  sound fake, but you definitely, probably, maybe killed those
• 1:31:26
  kids. So we're just gonna put you in
• 1:31:29
  psychiatric Correctional Facility?
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, for the rest of your life. Yeah.
• 1:31:35
  So we do cut to Juniper Hill briefly and see Pennywise in the
• 1:31:40
  moon talking to Henry and telling telling him that he has
• 1:31:43
  to call them all. Why does he have to use Henry?
• 1:31:47
  Because he said that sometimes like, it's the whole like
• 1:31:53
  metaphysical versus physical things.
• 1:31:55
  I mean, he was Henry's like flesh and blood.
• 1:31:57
  It's easier for him to do it, he.
• 1:31:59
  Does not right say that year, but like why?
• 1:32:01
  Like does he just? I guess he just wants him dead
• 1:32:03
  so that he's not. They're not threatening his
• 1:32:05
  existence, I guess. Well, and it's also like the way
• 1:32:07
  he has to kill that it's harder for him to kill adults.
• 1:32:10
  Really. Yeah.
• 1:32:12
  Oh, OK. I guess he has to kind of go
• 1:32:14
  through a whole corruption process.
• 1:32:15
  It's a whole thing. Complicated, OK.
• 1:32:19
  So yeah, Belch Belch's zombie comes from up underneath Henry's
• 1:32:25
  bed and gives him a switchblade or like a knife.
• 1:32:28
  And he's like, don't worry about.
• 1:32:31
  What was the guy's name? I didn't write it down.
• 1:32:34
  It's the author that you were. Oh, Koontz.
• 1:32:37
  Koontz. Yeah, he's like, yeah, Koontz is
• 1:32:39
  the fucking worst. He's the guy that's working in
• 1:32:41
  the door. Don't worry about Koontz.
• 1:32:42
  I'll take care of Koontz and then Velch turns into a
• 1:32:44
  Rottweiler in a clams. It's so weird.
• 1:32:47
  I was like, what the fuck? So, like, OK, can I ask this?
• 1:32:50
  How the fuck can Koontz see it even though he did not have that
• 1:32:55
  experience as a child? Dude, I.
• 1:33:00
  I don't know. Legitimate questions, right?
• 1:33:02
  Like the whole point of them being able to see it as adults
• 1:33:06
  is because they had that experience as children.
• 1:33:08
  Nobody else can see it. I think a part of it is also
• 1:33:11
  still some of that lingering fear and like the being willing
• 1:33:16
  to question it, which adults don't always have.
• 1:33:22
  Like, it's really easy for adults to rationalize things
• 1:33:24
  away like, oh, it's, you know, they're runaways or oh, this kid
• 1:33:28
  murdered the other kids. Yeah, but this guy didn't
• 1:33:31
  experience any of that. He's just like a fucking guy
• 1:33:33
  that is working at this facility and then now there's a dog clown
• 1:33:37
  attacking him. It just doesn't make any sense.
• 1:33:39
  We don't have to explain any of his back story.
• 1:33:42
  OK, well, we got a back story of another person coming up soon,
• 1:33:46
  so we'll bring that question up again here in a minute.
• 1:33:50
  Rich, he says that he's going to be leaving at 6:00 AM and
• 1:33:53
  they're like, you can't, we have to carry this out.
• 1:33:55
  He goes, no, I came here and catch up with you or I'll learn
• 1:33:57
  what's going on. There's nothing we can do.
• 1:33:59
  And then they all open their fortune cookies and they get
• 1:34:01
  things such as blood or bugs or eyeballs or flies or bird
• 1:34:08
  fetuses or the spider, as you said.
• 1:34:12
  So they go to the library and they're continuing some of the
• 1:34:15
  fun, and they are. And Mike is trying to get a hold
• 1:34:18
  of Stan again, and he eventually gets a hold of his wife and
• 1:34:22
  learns that he is dead. And then they remember what
• 1:34:27
  finally got Stan to believe, because the whole time he kept
• 1:34:30
  saying like this is all empirically impossible.
• 1:34:33
  And then one day he got drawn into the house by the park where
• 1:34:36
  he's bird watching and he sees what in the movie is made to
• 1:34:40
  look like a mummy, kind of. And he uses his bird book to get
• 1:34:46
  out just but like, basically distracting him from what was
• 1:34:49
  terrifying. Yeah, just like reciting the
• 1:34:50
  birds that he knows. Yeah.
• 1:34:53
  And he told one of was it Eddie or Richie?
• 1:34:57
  He told one of them, maybe Ben after school that one day that
• 1:35:02
  what he saw was what was behind the clown.
• 1:35:04
  It was the dead lights. Yeah, That's it.
• 1:35:07
  Yeah, and they all need a refill when they open the fridge,
• 1:35:11
  stands head is in there and starts taunting them and
• 1:35:14
  basically bringing out all of their worst fears about their
• 1:35:16
  adulthood. Which I think is kind of a nice
• 1:35:18
  twist too, because in childhood you're afraid of things like the
• 1:35:22
  wolfman or mummies, but in adulthood you're afraid of
• 1:35:25
  things like marrying your father or never being.
• 1:35:30
  Honestly. Like headless roasting.
• 1:35:32
  Stanley is fucking brutal, yeah. Deep cuts, yeah, the world's
• 1:35:39
  harshest insult comic. So Mike reveals that things have
• 1:35:47
  been happening in dairy and 30 year increments, all kinds of
• 1:35:50
  major tragedies. The adults don't seem to want to
• 1:35:53
  stop it. They don't care about
• 1:35:56
  understanding their fear. Meanwhile, Audra is driving to
• 1:36:00
  dairy. She's almost there, and she
• 1:36:01
  stops at a gas station to get directions and the gas station
• 1:36:05
  attendant. Again, it's it's Pennywise and
• 1:36:10
  she sees it. Don't know him.
• 1:36:12
  Don't understand why, Don't understand how it is able.
• 1:36:15
  Why? Why is he staying in dairy all
• 1:36:18
  the time? Like he clearly has reach?
• 1:36:21
  It's again, it's something about dairy.
• 1:36:24
  Like we didn't get the full explanation of it.
• 1:36:26
  Okay, I'm still calling bullshit on him being able to get her cuz
• 1:36:30
  she doesn't know anything about him.
• 1:36:34
  So Ben is telling the story. They're back at the hotel now
• 1:36:37
  and Ben is telling how he lost weight out of spite basically to
• 1:36:41
  and got a teacher. This feels very like, yeah, that
• 1:36:44
  happened. Yeah, he's like, yeah.
• 1:36:47
  So I became the fastest kid in town and the teacher punched me
• 1:36:51
  and I noticed here that John Ritter almost dropped an F bomb
• 1:36:55
  and I flipping, I guess it's great, I guess.
• 1:36:59
  So I'm almost to do it, though Richie still wants to leave.
• 1:37:05
  Bev talks about when she was cleaning up the blood in her
• 1:37:08
  bathroom, and then as soon as she was dead, she goes to leave
• 1:37:11
  and it all reappeared. So she had her friends come,
• 1:37:14
  look, and when they saw it, she felt so relieved that she wasn't
• 1:37:17
  alone and that they all stayed and they helped clean.
• 1:37:22
  They split up to go to their rooms briefly brush teeth, grab
• 1:37:25
  shawl, you know whatnot. And while they're in their
• 1:37:28
  rooms, Henry stabs Mike. Meanwhile, Bev comes in and
• 1:37:33
  tells Ben that she knows he wrote the poem and they kissed
• 1:37:36
  but surprised. He's got like makeup smear on
• 1:37:39
  his face and he looks and I was like oh shit, those aren't the
• 1:37:41
  pants you were wearing before. It's clown pants and then looks
• 1:37:45
  over. It's penny wise.
• 1:37:46
  He's like kiss me fat boy, I love it.
• 1:37:49
  So great. Eddie and Ben go in, Mike
• 1:37:53
  struggling. Yeah, so they break in and help.
• 1:37:57
  Mike has been stabbed. Henry has been stabbed worse.
• 1:38:02
  Yeah, So they all rushed Mike to the ER.
• 1:38:05
  Bev is crying and scared outside.
• 1:38:07
  And she's talking about how she can't believe she wound up with
• 1:38:10
  somebody exactly like her father.
• 1:38:12
  And then she quotes the poem and asked Ben if he was the one that
• 1:38:17
  wrote it and he was like, are you you or are you the clown?
• 1:38:19
  And she said fuck is. This another one of your poems.
• 1:38:22
  I don't get this one. They learned Mike will be OK,
• 1:38:27
  but only one can really go in to talk to him.
• 1:38:29
  So Bill goes in there. Mike still has the silver
• 1:38:33
  earrings. He got them from the sewer 10
• 1:38:35
  years ago when he wasn't in such a good spot in his life and he
• 1:38:37
  didn't really care if he ran into Penny wise, which is just
• 1:38:40
  sad. That is sad and that's kind of
• 1:38:42
  crazy that he managed to go down there and find those after all
• 1:38:46
  that time, so they decide that they're going to leave Henry's
• 1:38:52
  body in the hotel. What the fuck do we do with it?
• 1:38:56
  Nobody knows. Nobody knows how to dispose of a
• 1:38:59
  body. It's fucking dairy.
• 1:39:00
  Nobody gives a shit. Yeah.
• 1:39:01
  And they're like, if we tell the cops, the cops will probably
• 1:39:03
  just like have some penny wise manipulation and keep us held up
• 1:39:08
  so we can't go defeat them once and for all.
• 1:39:10
  Yeah, Richie is still, like, adamant that he's not going to
• 1:39:14
  help out. But then he sees this new story
• 1:39:16
  of a little girl being murdered and he was like, you can see him
• 1:39:20
  kind of like feeling some guilt. And then Bill sees a woman and
• 1:39:24
  child playing piano and he comes out.
• 1:39:26
  So he's like, I don't know if what I saw was real or not.
• 1:39:28
  You know, I'm going to spend the rest of my life questioning it.
• 1:39:30
  And I don't want to keep questioning things.
• 1:39:31
  I want to finish this once and for all.
• 1:39:34
  So they all drive to the Barons and they name like the bullets,
• 1:39:42
  the Silver Earring Bullets after Mike and Stan.
• 1:39:45
  So it's like they're all together.
• 1:39:47
  I agree with Richie here. He's like, we should have
• 1:39:48
  brought a machine gun. Yeah, dude, like, there's a lot
• 1:39:51
  of, like, silver and bullets. Silver.
• 1:39:54
  No, they're not silver. Where are they?
• 1:39:57
  I don't fucking know. Whatever.
• 1:39:58
  They'll hurt them. Sure.
• 1:40:01
  Yeah, they'll hurt them better than a swing shot.
• 1:40:05
  Come. On so they all entered the
• 1:40:07
  sewer. Yeah, Bill notices his wife's
• 1:40:09
  purse down there. Yeah, so he freaks out and goes
• 1:40:12
  rushing in and the rest catch up because he tripped and he's
• 1:40:18
  crying and Bep snaps him out of it.
• 1:40:21
  So then a sailboat travels because Pennywise is just
• 1:40:24
  enjoying fucking with Bill at this point.
• 1:40:26
  And then they see A1 armed Georgie who looks a lot like
• 1:40:29
  Crispin Glover and Hot Tub Time Machine.
• 1:40:31
  And that you can tell his arm is just tucked into his jacket.
• 1:40:34
  Your photo. Your photo?
• 1:40:36
  Yeah. Pennywise is talking to them and
• 1:40:38
  taunting them. Bill figures they can still kill
• 1:40:42
  it in its physical form, so they follow the boat to its layer,
• 1:40:46
  and Eddie confesses he's a virgin and it's.
• 1:40:49
  So weird. It's like, by the way, guys, I
• 1:40:51
  gotta admit, I never had sex like Eddie.
• 1:40:54
  Why the fuck are you bringing this up now?
• 1:40:56
  Like, I could only have sex with somebody that I truly love.
• 1:40:58
  And I only truly love you guys. Bev, take off your pants.
• 1:41:01
  It's like, yeah, Are you asking to fuck us right now, Eddie?
• 1:41:05
  Like, is this what you're trying to do?
• 1:41:07
  When they get into the layer, they see all these bodies caught
• 1:41:10
  up in the web, like a spider's web.
• 1:41:12
  And Speaking of spiders, we get Gilligan's Island Black Morning
• 1:41:16
  spider. Yeah, big old spider just comes
• 1:41:19
  crawling out. Biller, Richie, and Ben get
• 1:41:22
  caught up by the dead lights. Bev misses one of her shots, so
• 1:41:26
  she has to run and grab the earring and Eddie's like left
• 1:41:30
  there and he's like, I don't know what to do.
• 1:41:31
  So you know what he does? He defaults to his inhaler and
• 1:41:34
  sprays the spider. Has no effect.
• 1:41:36
  Has no effect, but it gives Bev enough time to get her shot in
• 1:41:40
  and she hits it and Eddie gets dropped by the spider and he
• 1:41:47
  dies and they all kick the spider out of rage.
• 1:41:51
  Yeah, yeah. I don't understand how this
• 1:41:53
  goes, Eddie. And they pull out its heart.
• 1:41:55
  Well, because he'd like, picked it up and squeezed him a lot,
• 1:41:57
  yeah. OK, well the I guess he couldn't
• 1:42:00
  really show that super well in here.
• 1:42:02
  Yeah, so they just, yeah, they tip over the spider and just
• 1:42:04
  punch his tummy into where they get his heart and squish it, and
• 1:42:07
  then it dies. And bodies are being lowered
• 1:42:10
  down from the web. Some of them are dead, but Audra
• 1:42:13
  is catatonic. Mike is journaling.
• 1:42:17
  Sometime later. He can't remember anything
• 1:42:19
  anymore. He says it's like a veil
• 1:42:21
  dropped. I only remember what I've read
• 1:42:24
  in my journal, but now it feels like things are over, so I might
• 1:42:27
  be able to move and move on. Richie's in Movies Now, and he
• 1:42:32
  frequently works with somebody who looks and acts a lot like
• 1:42:35
  Eddie. Ben and Bev are married and
• 1:42:38
  expecting children, and Bill and Audra are leaving today.
• 1:42:41
  But Audra still hasn't improved. She's still catatonic as he's
• 1:42:45
  climbing into the cab. The cab drivers in this town
• 1:42:48
  have to deal with a lot of shit of people being like, wait here
• 1:42:51
  just a minute. Yeah, and she's part of the job
• 1:42:53
  in the theaters running. Oh yeah, for sure.
• 1:42:55
  Me too, cuz he sees Silver and he's like, I'm gonna second hand
• 1:43:01
  embarrass you out of this coma. What the fuck is his line of
• 1:43:05
  thinking here? It's like Silver got me through
• 1:43:07
  a lot of tough times. It's definitely gonna help you
• 1:43:09
  from being catatonic. And so, like, he votes her up on
• 1:43:13
  Silver and they go riding down the middle of the street,
• 1:43:15
  causing all kinds of wrecks. You know what it reminds me of?
• 1:43:19
  What the scene in Princess Diaries or her car gets stuck in
• 1:43:24
  San 'cause you know, San Francisco streets.
• 1:43:26
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Julie Andrews can't even has
• 1:43:29
  to charm her way out of the ticket.
• 1:43:31
  And like she it works. She snaps out of it.
• 1:43:35
  But I don't think it was silver that did it.
• 1:43:37
  I think it's the fear of getting hit by multiple cars that like
• 1:43:39
  snapped her of it. He wakes up in the middle of the
• 1:43:42
  street gridlock that she caused. Yeah, there's like a bunch of
• 1:43:46
  drivers threatening her and she's like.
• 1:43:49
  Still, like, what the fuck happened?
• 1:43:50
  I was at a gas station and now I'm like, what the fuck?
• 1:43:53
  I'm on a bike and it's like, yeah, Silver, hi ho Silver.
• 1:43:59
  And that's the end of the movie, folks.
• 1:44:02
  Wow. We actually managed to get
• 1:44:03
  through that pretty quickly. We did.
• 1:44:04
  We did. We stayed on topic.
• 1:44:06
  I'm pretty proud of us. Yeah, me too.
• 1:44:08
  So what do you rate it now that we talked about?
• 1:44:11
  I'm keeping it an 8, man. It's real solid.
• 1:44:14
  It's a real good time. I love it.
• 1:44:17
  It's it's held up remarkably well.
• 1:44:20
  Yeah, it really has. It's it's it's a really good
• 1:44:24
  adaptation. I mean, I can't really speak for
• 1:44:27
  the book, but like, I enjoy watching it as a movie.
• 1:44:30
  I do have questions though. I think it like doesn't follow
• 1:44:33
  its own rules that it sets that I realize, you know, as we talk
• 1:44:37
  about it. I think that's more the hazard
• 1:44:40
  of trying to adapt such a convoluted.
• 1:44:45
  Book. Well, I'm reviewing it as the
• 1:44:47
  movie itself, so offering an explanation for why.
• 1:44:51
  Oh, I understand that. But it doesn't help me, the
• 1:44:53
  person that hasn't watched or read the book, you know, you
• 1:44:55
  have to like. You have to cater to that
• 1:44:58
  audience as well. So when you, like, have a scene
• 1:45:01
  where like, why are we the only ones that could see it?
• 1:45:03
  And then in the very next shot, it's like, by the way, I'm gonna
• 1:45:05
  abduct your wife, who definitely hasn't never seen it.
• 1:45:09
  Also, we're gonna get the security guard too, because we
• 1:45:12
  got to get in reality or somehow, like, it just doesn't
• 1:45:15
  make sense. So I'm gonna knock it for that.
• 1:45:18
  At least I'll give it A775 Rude. Don't.
• 1:45:21
  Give me that wook. I saw that wook you gave me.
• 1:45:23
  I think it's it's a worthwhile criticism, honestly.
• 1:45:27
  Set these rules you gonna fucking play by if you need to
• 1:45:29
  adapt it. If you need to make that change
• 1:45:31
  in the book, Nightmare in the movie.
• 1:45:33
  Don't have rules, Travis. This isn't a nightmare.
• 1:45:35
  This is reality. It literally is a nightmare.
• 1:45:38
  But it's really, it's playing out in reality Incarnate.
• 1:45:41
  Yeah, but that's the whole thing.
• 1:45:42
  It's like he doesn't have to play by reality rules.
• 1:45:44
  He plays by nightmare rules, which is no rules.
• 1:45:46
  It's fucking Freddy Krueger, man.
• 1:45:48
  So he can show himself to anybody if he wants to, yeah.
• 1:45:54
  Whatever. It's not very our average went
• 1:45:56
  down, so congratulations. Well, I mean, I think it's a
• 1:45:59
  worthwhile criticism. Talia gives us a 10.
• 1:46:03
  Yeah, she was fucking terrified of this movie.
• 1:46:07
  She was like watching it ears back anytime.
• 1:46:10
  It cut to the menu screen, which was a lot because this is a
• 1:46:13
  multi part movie. The music scared the shit out of
• 1:46:16
  her. Oh God, yeah.
• 1:46:17
  And then also because we were expecting our nephews to come
• 1:46:20
  in, we thought they would really enjoy the clown on our front
• 1:46:22
  porch. So we made sure we turned that
• 1:46:24
  on for them and it kept getting triggered by the squirrels in
• 1:46:28
  the yard and that Oh my God, that got her started.
• 1:46:32
  So she was barking so much, yeah, it scared the shit out of
• 1:46:35
  her. She was really spooked from this
• 1:46:37
  movie. This is a 10 out of 10 for.
• 1:46:38
  Her plus Penny W turns into a dog.
• 1:46:40
  Yeah, which is also really scary.
• 1:46:41
  Yeah, a dog doesn't die. A dog does the killing.
• 1:46:43
  Yeah, exactly. Zoe didn't watch this Are.
• 1:46:48
  You sure? I thought she was.
• 1:46:49
  No, she was in the kitchen. Oh, wow.
• 1:46:51
  OK, yeah, she was in the kitchen pretty much the whole time.
• 1:46:53
  Well, she knows that she doesn't fuck with clowns, OK?
• 1:47:00
  So who did you relate to? I probably probably relate to
• 1:47:15
  Eddie because I tend to use humor as like a defense
• 1:47:19
  mechanism or not. Eddie Richie OK Yeah.
• 1:47:23
  It relates to Richie because they I.
• 1:47:24
  Thought you're gonna relate to Eddie because of the inhaler.
• 1:47:28
  Mine's real. Yeah, mine's how beautiful.
• 1:47:32
  It makes me shaky when I use it. So you think no, it legitimately
• 1:47:36
  makes you shaky? Living nightmare.
• 1:47:38
  Jesse doesn't have to play it by the rules, OK?
• 1:47:43
  Who'd you relate to? There's a couple people.
• 1:47:45
  There are ways that I relate to Richie because I.
• 1:47:49
  I relate to, like him coming to his hometown and being
• 1:47:52
  disappointed with the changes, like, ah shit, you fucking close
• 1:47:56
  down the Paramount, you know, like that.
• 1:47:57
  I feel that a lot my relates have been with like being a
• 1:48:01
  really fat child and, you know, eventually losing the weight.
• 1:48:07
  I didn't get punched by my coach though.
• 1:48:10
  But yeah, I don't know, like I'm somewhere in between those two
• 1:48:14
  right there. I relate to both of those a lot,
• 1:48:16
  OK. OK, dream sequel.
• 1:48:25
  Would you think that he would ever do a sequel to it?
• 1:48:29
  Because he's done sequels to like you know The Shining and
• 1:48:32
  stuff like that. Like aren't all of his movies
• 1:48:34
  are kind of connected in the same universe, right, Dairy,
• 1:48:37
  I've, I've read that Dairy is mentioned in other books.
• 1:48:40
  Yeah, like his I would say, because there's kind of an
• 1:48:43
  allusion to other creatures like that existing.
• 1:48:46
  So maybe another one finds another weak spot somewhere and
• 1:48:49
  say like the losers club is called back to her.
• 1:48:52
  Like, you know, Bev and Ben's child is impacted by it somehow,
• 1:48:57
  someway. I don't want their child to die
• 1:48:59
  because that's just like, but maybe the child likes sees stuff
• 1:49:03
  the way they did when they were. Kids I I think it would be cool
• 1:49:06
  because like they are. Successful, but I went through
• 1:49:10
  success to be corrupted. Like, they have that for a
• 1:49:13
  minute, but because they're products of dairy, that they all
• 1:49:17
  kind of just like caves in on itself eventually.
• 1:49:20
  And then, like, because of that, they realize that there's
• 1:49:24
  something that they have to confront to, you know, get it
• 1:49:28
  back. OK.
• 1:49:29
  And maybe that's what makes them start believing their child.
• 1:49:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I was going to say there
• 1:49:34
  needs to be something that like because at first they wouldn't
• 1:49:36
  believe it because they don't remember any of it.
• 1:49:39
  But now you're not successful and we're like, well, shit.
• 1:49:43
  It's way easier to believe that it's a mystical force rather
• 1:49:47
  than we're just not as talented as we think we are.
• 1:49:51
  Exactly. Yeah.
• 1:49:52
  Okay. Cool.
• 1:49:54
  Well, we have our tagline Master of pee pee bed or something.
• 1:49:59
  Like that? Yeah.
• 1:50:00
  Master of pee pee beds. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:50:03
  Go back to the beginning of that.
• 1:50:04
  Yeah, we said it then yeah, it'll be on the cover art too.
• 1:50:09
  Okay. So time for Internet reviews.
• 1:50:14
  So that's you. I pulled a like a critic review
• 1:50:19
  from entertainment. This was reviewed.
• 1:50:23
  This was reviewed like after the new one came out.
• 1:50:26
  I think it was 2022 or whenever I saw this.
• 1:50:31
  So this person says the chief problem faced by director Tommy
• 1:50:36
  Lee Wallace is that King's book takes too long getting the
• 1:50:39
  grown-ups back together. We have to see what every
• 1:50:42
  character is doing for a living and what his or her it inspired
• 1:50:46
  neuroses are. This is tedious in both the
• 1:50:49
  novel and the miniseries. Once the adults are assembled,
• 1:50:52
  though, it features a high level of ensemble acting, rare for any
• 1:50:56
  horror film. Will you be scared?
• 1:50:58
  Maybe. And I certainly wouldn't let my
• 1:51:00
  young children behold such sights as the severed talking
• 1:51:04
  head in a refrigerator or the gooey eyeballs falling out of
• 1:51:07
  fortune cookies. I have enough trouble getting my
• 1:51:09
  kids to eat Chinese food. Of course, eyeballs and fortune
• 1:51:12
  cookies are also very funny. The saving grace for Stephen
• 1:51:16
  King's or for Stephen King is that he's not a solemn HP12
• 1:51:19
  crafty kind of horror rider. He has a sense of humor in
• 1:51:22
  addition to its low pace. I found that ending a big let
• 1:51:26
  down. Unimaginative special effects
• 1:51:28
  animate the monster and its final incarnation, but the cast
• 1:51:32
  is terrific, Curious Cackle is chilling, and King's usual
• 1:51:35
  buried theme about the pain adults inflict on children
• 1:51:38
  without even realizing it. It's always worth pondering.
• 1:51:45
  Look, I get it. This is a long movie.
• 1:51:47
  It's a slow burn. It's a long book.
• 1:51:49
  It's also a slow burn. A huge piece of it is how
• 1:51:55
  important those core seven are. They are the story.
• 1:52:00
  You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:52:02
  And like, yeah, there's a lot to explore with how creepy
• 1:52:05
  Pennywise is. And if that's the type of movie
• 1:52:08
  you want, that's not the type of movie you're gonna get with
• 1:52:10
  this, because that's ultimately not the story that's being told.
• 1:52:13
  Yeah, there's a lot there with it.
• 1:52:15
  And you do need to build a lot of those characters up for it to
• 1:52:19
  have any impact because they hinges entirely on them.
• 1:52:23
  And it does honestly, like it's a mini.
• 1:52:25
  So it does feel kind of like the way you would feel watching a TV
• 1:52:29
  show. Like, I'm intrigued.
• 1:52:30
  Like it's I I can tell that they're pacing it more with the
• 1:52:34
  thought of this being a two episode arc.
• 1:52:36
  Yeah, definitely. You feel that pacing.
• 1:52:38
  It's different than it is with a movie, and I think that's
• 1:52:40
  evident when you see the remake. It's just, you know, I I like
• 1:52:46
  it. I can get how some people would
• 1:52:48
  want it to be a little bit more fastpaced, but I'm also a
• 1:52:54
  person. I like the very character driven
• 1:52:56
  movies. Yeah, I do too.
• 1:52:59
  I don't necessarily have a problem with the pacing in this.
• 1:53:01
  I think that it does a good job with it.
• 1:53:03
  All the things considered, I think it would be interesting to
• 1:53:07
  see this thing play out in like an 8 part series like they
• 1:53:09
  originally pointed. God, I would love that.
• 1:53:11
  Yeah, because I think that would definitely help a lot of people
• 1:53:14
  with the pacing issues. Like you could have whole
• 1:53:17
  episodes dedicated to encounters with the you don't have to like
• 1:53:21
  rush certain aspects or like linger on other ones longer
• 1:53:24
  because you felt like. One thing needed more time than
• 1:53:27
  like another thing. Because, you know, there are
• 1:53:29
  things that are like really fleshed out in this movie.
• 1:53:31
  And then there are things that are kind of like rushed.
• 1:53:33
  And once studios want to pay writers and actors what they're
• 1:53:36
  worth, maybe someday we can get that.
• 1:53:38
  Maybe. Maybe.
• 1:53:40
  Okay. Let's go over to some listener
• 1:53:43
  reviews. Okay.
• 1:53:44
  So we got two. Okay.
• 1:53:47
  They're both from Twitter. First one is from Aquili Boobs.
• 1:53:50
  Who says how it managed to terrify so many of us with so
• 1:53:54
  little gore is quite the achievement.
• 1:53:56
  Tim Curry's portrayal of Pennywise was 1/1 for the ages,
• 1:53:59
  timeless. And that it's still creepy as
• 1:54:01
  fuck after all these years. I absolutely agree.
• 1:54:04
  And I think it's one of those things that sometimes, and no
• 1:54:07
  offense to the people you know, like the critic review that you
• 1:54:11
  read that want more of that gore because it is.
• 1:54:15
  I mean, you know, I love effects and stuff, but that's not what
• 1:54:19
  makes something scary. Yeah, it it's not.
• 1:54:22
  And if that's what you feel like you need, I mean, that's fine.
• 1:54:25
  But you know, you can't say that's the only way something
• 1:54:27
  can be scary. Yeah, I think it can.
• 1:54:29
  Like it can be a tool to like help.
• 1:54:32
  But with this right here, I think that they had to get
• 1:54:35
  creative and make things creepy rather than rely on that stuff
• 1:54:40
  exactly. Which really I think benefits it
• 1:54:42
  in the long run. If you want the gory stuff, you
• 1:54:45
  can get that in the remake for sure.
• 1:54:47
  But yeah, this one definitely lingers.
• 1:54:49
  Like it builds on the fear, like the dread, which I really
• 1:54:53
  appreciate that I don't have to have things be super gory.
• 1:54:56
  I appreciate that. But I appreciate, like, actually
• 1:54:59
  building fear better. OK, and the final review, Tyler,
• 1:55:05
  Tim Curry is terrifying here. It's an excellent performance
• 1:55:08
  that is horror history for sure. This is the true start of my
• 1:55:12
  swipe. Fear of violence for me also
• 1:55:14
  love that the girl. That gets snatched in the sheets
• 1:55:17
  is blonde tanning bed girl from Final destination.
• 1:55:21
  What that is not that is not. No, dude, you're dropping some
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  info here. More fun facts?
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  Hold on, let's find out. Is that Ashley or Ashlyn?
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  I don't know, but I think it's funny also that it's like
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  parallel with the other girl that Tyler is a big fan of.
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  From Yeah, Wrong Turn and Black Christmas.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's her name, then?
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  Hold on, let me pulling it up. OK, so she's Chaylin Simmons.
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  Is that her? The actor's name?
• 1:55:57
  Yeah. OK, I found her here.
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  OK, she's also in Tucker and Dell.
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  Yeah, I remember that we never scrolled back to 1990 on her
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  filmography. No, we did not.
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  So I've got. Oh, she is.
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  It's her. Orianne Winter.
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  Barger Barger. Wow.
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  Thank you for that information. Yeah, that's cool.
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  Wow. Damn.
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  We just watched that the other day too.
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  Yeah, we did. Yeah, Awesome.
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  Cool. Yeah.
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  I mean, I agree. I mean Pennywise, it's a great
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  performance. I think that this was also one
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  of the movies that really got me interested in clowns as a kid,
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  because I watched this at such a young age that.
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  Kind of influenced my interest in that stuff.
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  I am now obsessed with clowns as horror movie villains, and Tim
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  Curry is hard to beat. Art the Clown, though, doing a
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  good job. Okay.
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  Yeah, Okay. That's it.
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  All right. That's all of our reviews and
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  that's it for this week's episode.
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  Everybody. Thank you guys for being here
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  for this one. Next week we have saw two.
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  Saw two and we should be having our guests.
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  Our friend Steve with The Decision Reel coming on to join
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  us with that one. You can watch this a lot of
• 1:57:13
  places. Right now it's on Peacock Stars,
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  Amazon Prime, YouTube Prime Time, Hulu Premium, Sling TV
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  Premium, YouTube TV Premium, Phylo Premium.
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  Or you can rent it from Google Play Red Box or Voodoo.
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  I feel like it's gotta be on Pluto because we watched it on
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  Pluto recently also. Like they have all of them on
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  there usually. Yeah, watch it.
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  That's a good Saw movie. I'm excited to get back into the
• 1:57:37
  saws. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. All right.
• 1:57:40
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  OK. Sorry, I had to burp too.
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  Oh, thank you. You.
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  Can edit that out? No, but that's going in the
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  outtake. But.