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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 6 · Green and Gold Brothers

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SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things Packers related.
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0:19
SPEAKER_02: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
0:22
SPEAKER_02: I'm Zach.
0:22
SPEAKER_02: And I'm Cody.
0:23
SPEAKER_02: Today we're breaking down the Green Bay Packers 33-13 victory against the Denver Broncos.
0:29
SPEAKER_02: And then we will also be breaking down some uh Cardinals preview for the third and final preseason game until uh until we get to the regular season here.
0:38
SPEAKER_02: Let's just hop right in and talk about some injuries.
0:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so there wasn't really anything too significant.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: Um we came out pretty in pretty good shape.
0:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh Bran Assise did get hurt on the special teams rep.
0:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh apparently he was kind of limping off after uh a kick or uh a punt, I mean.
1:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was kick or punt.
1:03
SPEAKER_02: I I didn't see him get hurt.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: I did not either.
1:06
SPEAKER_02: I just happened to be opening up Twitter in between commercials and read something about him limping off the field.
1:12
SPEAKER_02: So sounds like it's nothing serious.
1:15
SPEAKER_02: He kind of in a good good mood after the game.
1:18
SPEAKER_01: Saw him on a bike there for a little bit pedaling and the yeah, I saw the video of that or the post that it didn't look somebody made the comment it didn't look encouraging.
1:26
SPEAKER_01: It looked like just the guy in pads not having the bike settings set right.
1:31
SPEAKER_01: So it didn't look overly concerning to me, but uh he did say that he he wanted to come back in and if it was a regular situation he he would have been fine.
1:39
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, so luckily we'll for sure see.
1:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, LaFleur, nobody really made it sound like it was a major issue, so we kind of dodged a bullet there.
1:50
SPEAKER_01: It's cornerback one, you know.
1:51
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I mean, like you had mentioned at one point too, he was probably only getting one more series, and then he was getting yanked and putting uh putting a few other guys in there to see how they do.
2:02
SPEAKER_02: So it's not like he missed a whole lot.
2:04
SPEAKER_02: Um J.
2:05
SPEAKER_02: Michael Sturdevant as well kind of went down.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: Uh concussion, it looked like got kind of scary.
2:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, he kind of got sandwiched in between two guys and kind of got his neck bent a little funny, but he he walked off under his own power, so nothing like crazy scary.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it just it looked kind of kind of interesting.
2:23
SPEAKER_01: Um we'll see how how quick he can get back.
2:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's a little unfortunate.
2:27
SPEAKER_02: I know a lot of us Packer fans were kind of looking forward to him, you know, since um right after the draft when they signed him, and kind of we were looking forward to what he could bring and kind of had some nice plays here and there, but uh I don't hopefully it's not long term, and hopefully we can uh maybe stash him on the practice squad.
2:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't think he's gonna be making the roster as a final receiver.
2:52
SPEAKER_01: Probably not anymore.
2:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think maybe there was a chance.
2:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh we can we can actually jump right into that.
2:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh we had talked off mic in uh just a little bit about um the receivers.
3:06
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if they're gonna keep seven.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: Um pretty much have six locked in with uh Christian Watson, Jaden Reed, Matthew Golden, uh Savion Williams, and Sky Moore for sure.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: Um six is pretty safe, I think, Bo Melton.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: Um I think the Packers really, really like him.
3:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I I don't think he's he's in any kind of danger.
3:29
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's really uh has a whole lot left to prove um as far as making the the roster as a sixth guy.
3:36
SPEAKER_01: Something crazy could happen, but I I would be pretty shocked if that came to fruition.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: Um so that that really leaves essentially no spots for for any of these young receivers.
3:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, if they're looking to go with six into the regular season, I mean that's your six.
3:52
SPEAKER_02: If they make some moves elsewhere where they, you know, offensive line, if they only go with ten guys or nine guys, I mean it it's hard to say.
4:00
SPEAKER_02: There's multiple positions where you might be able to get by for a little bit, uh smaller numbers, and then therefore you would have a seventh wide receiver spot open.
4:10
SPEAKER_02: They've done it before.
4:11
SPEAKER_01: So it is a possibility.
4:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh that doesn't necessarily mean that it would be all season, and there's so many things that can happen, and injuries and whatnot.
4:20
SPEAKER_01: So that's the the initial roster is it's fun, but that's all it is is the initial roster.
4:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: And in a world where they do keep seven, I'm my eyes are on Will Shepard.
4:30
SPEAKER_01: I think so too.
4:31
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't necessarily solidly on him before uh the Denver game.
4:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, he he's an exciting guy, he's been with us for a couple years now uh on the practice squad and he's shown some flashes.
4:45
SPEAKER_01: I think he would also be my pick uh as that seventh guy.
4:49
SPEAKER_02: Um that touchdown he had was that was nice pretty nice.
4:52
SPEAKER_02: Little toe tap there at the end.
4:54
SPEAKER_02: And I didn't think he got in.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: I watched the replay of back, and I'm like, oh, his toe.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: You could see the dirt.
4:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was about all that was there, but he he got it.
5:01
SPEAKER_02: It was a nice throw and nice catch.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: So he's definitely making a case for being that wide receiver seven and play special teams as well.
5:08
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, he's got some return ability.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: Uh he did that.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh, he got called up at the end of the year last year, and I thought it was gonna be as a return rate.
5:16
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he got any return opportunities, but it was he was there last year.
5:21
SPEAKER_01: He he can return, and I believe he's been working as one of the main gunners too.
5:25
SPEAKER_01: So he definitely has uh a path to the roster.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, it's just like you said before, depending on how the roster shakes out in other spots, if there's gonna be room for seven.
5:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh we'll just hop in right away, talk about some guys that kind of shined in our eyes.
5:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, Chris McClellan, the rookie, I thought he looked really well.
5:44
SPEAKER_02: He had a ton of reps.
5:46
SPEAKER_02: I believe he led the team in tackles.
5:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he got multiple pressures.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he was in the backfield a couple times right away, wrapping up the running back, uh, pressured the quarterback at least once or twice, I believe.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: Yep, I remember him flushing the pocket.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: Looked looked very solid there, so that was something cool to see.
6:03
SPEAKER_02: And uh Jonathan Ford as well, uh, another defensive tackle.
6:07
SPEAKER_01: He played longer than I expected.
6:09
SPEAKER_01: I I think we talked about it on our last episode that he he looked really good and potentially uh as a roster spot almost locked up.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: He's probably the starting defensive tackle.
6:20
SPEAKER_01: It it very well could be that way.
6:22
SPEAKER_01: And your your base defense and and rundowns uh as a nose guy, he's not gonna give you much pass rush juice, but he's a guy that, you know, if he can take up some blocks and and help with the run game, that's definitely uh an important aspect to a 3-4 defense.
6:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's touch on this quick here because I know in previous episodes we kind of talked about the D-line depth and how there's a lot of uncertainty there.
6:46
SPEAKER_02: But as training camp and preseason's kind of progressing here, it's starting to look like we have a lot of guys on the defensive line.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: That's one of the position groups that I, yeah, have sort of maybe flipped on, but uh after that game, uh the Denver game, like you said, I'm probably more comfortable with that than a lot of other positions right now.
7:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a handful of guys, not no name.
7:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh I guess I'll say they were no names to me.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: I just didn't really think they had a shot, but they're they're putting some good stuff on tape, and um Anthony Campbell's another guy.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he he could be a sneaky keep.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know if there's gonna be room.
7:25
SPEAKER_01: I was trying to figure out how many defensive linemen we were gonna keep, but we'll see, I guess.
7:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, especially with Hargrave and Wyatt in the mix as well.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're gonna have six, seven guys that you can rotate in at any certain point.
7:41
SPEAKER_02: I mean, at this point, obviously there's gonna be cut downs and that room's gonna be a little smaller come September, but it's gonna be interesting to kind of just look and see what the final uh roster ends up being.
7:55
SPEAKER_02: So I was surprised Brinson didn't play.
7:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that was kind of odd to me too.
7:59
SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
8:00
SPEAKER_02: I think he was was he suited up or did he I don't remember.
8:04
SPEAKER_02: I can't remember if I saw him on the sideline a couple times sitting with uh the other defensive lineman, but yeah, I was kind of shocked.
8:10
SPEAKER_02: I'm assuming he probably has a spot locked up, but I would think so.
8:14
SPEAKER_01: He's he looked really good against Pittsburgh.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
8:16
SPEAKER_01: Uh and I guess he's been practicing pretty well from what I've read too.
8:20
SPEAKER_01: So that's I think that's kind of why I was surprised.
8:22
SPEAKER_01: Um he's obviously not necessarily going to be a starter, yeah, but maybe maybe he's a guy that they want to kind of keep bubble wrapped a little bit.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
8:32
SPEAKER_02: So we'll switch over to the other side of the ball.
8:34
SPEAKER_02: We'll talk about the O-line a little bit.
8:36
SPEAKER_02: Jagger, Burton, and uh Jacob Monk both played significant amount of snaps.
8:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, I thought they looked good.
8:43
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Jagger had a few moments where you know you could tell he was rookie moments for moments, but he had one play specifically.
8:51
SPEAKER_02: He I think it was on Zach Allen.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: It was, yeah.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: Former all-pro defensive tackle for the Denver Broncos.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: He manhandled them.
8:57
SPEAKER_02: He had them, took him right down to the ground and pretty much flopped right on top of them.
9:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a pancake block for sure.
9:04
SPEAKER_02: Pretty pretty uh cool to see that.
9:06
SPEAKER_02: So and Jacob Monk, too.
9:08
SPEAKER_02: He's he's been trending up pretty much the start from from the start of training camp.
9:12
SPEAKER_01: He I don't think he's done anything to lose his spot, in my opinion.
9:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
9:16
SPEAKER_01: I think he's looked very solid.
9:18
SPEAKER_01: I like I like that they're sort of I mean that he drafted they drafted him as a center, and he when they they make their changes on the line, he's been the backup center.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: I I like that.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: Um I think he's he's pretty solid there.
9:34
SPEAKER_01: He was a guy, I know I said this at the beginning of uh the the new season, or maybe even before, but uh right around training camp that I thought he was a guy that was a roster bubble.
9:45
SPEAKER_01: And I think you and I both kind of thought he didn't he didn't look that good last year in Minnesota in that last game.
9:52
SPEAKER_01: At least I didn't think.
9:53
SPEAKER_01: No, I I I'll agree with that 100%.
9:55
SPEAKER_01: And he has really put in the work and I mean I think he's I think he is gonna be the starting right guard.
10:03
SPEAKER_01: And then if he gives you center versatility as well, then it allows you if somebody goes down, you can shift him, and then you're feeling fairly comfortable at the guard position as well.
10:15
SPEAKER_01: With I mean, I guess I I don't know how comfortable you can say with Aaron Banks, but if he's healthy, you paid him and he's he's fine.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: He's gonna play if he's healthy.
10:26
SPEAKER_01: And and then Burton, I think, is uh a nice fallback option as well.
10:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you had mentioned that this next week of training camp joint practice.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: I saw Steno say that they are going to work on training him, not training him, but having him rep at center.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: I like that.
10:42
SPEAKER_01: Um and it's I know some people get frustrated with the cross-training offensive line and think that the Packers have mishandled a lot of guys by doing that.
10:51
SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's not really cross-training, he was a center in college.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: So it's more so just repping him there, uh, not seeing if he can do it.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: He can do it.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: It's just that's they're gonna put him there to see how the rest of the line fits with it.
11:04
SPEAKER_02: Well, it would help out too.
11:05
SPEAKER_02: I mean, say in a scenario, um Sean Ryan, our starting center now, gets hurt.
11:10
SPEAKER_02: Do you want to pull Monk from that right guard spot and put him at center?
11:13
SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, or you can put Jagger in there and keep Monk at right guard where he's been doing well and just kind of give him that comfortable uh feeling of just knowing he's got a spot and he can absolutely.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure in a scenario like that, the score, the opponent, the place, like there's a lot of factors that are gonna go into who who you would slide and or who you would bring in.
11:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, let's uh let's talk about some defensive backs here.
11:41
SPEAKER_02: Kamal had and he he put on a show, I thought he he played very well.
11:45
SPEAKER_02: He primarily played the slot corner position.
11:49
SPEAKER_02: Uh he was a guy coming into training camp who was not out there due to some pretty gruesome to a pretty gruesome coming back from that bad injury last year.
11:57
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
11:58
SPEAKER_02: But he's had some moments here where he's really wowed.
12:02
SPEAKER_02: And I thought the same thing watching him against Denver, he he looked well.
12:07
SPEAKER_02: He had a pass breakup, I believe.
12:09
SPEAKER_02: He had a couple nice tackles.
12:11
SPEAKER_01: He had a tackle for loss that I texted you as soon as it happened.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:14
SPEAKER_01: The way that he kind of shot through the gap and got in the backfield and made the tackle, just the way maybe it was his uniform, maybe it was I don't know exactly what it was, but oh my gosh, did he remind me of Charles Woodson?
12:26
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying that's who he's gonna be, but just that play in particular, he reminded me of defensive player of the year season Charles Woodson, and it was it was really cool.
12:38
SPEAKER_01: Um he's a guy that I think was sort of maybe on the bubble.
12:41
SPEAKER_01: I think he was for me.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Initially, I think after this game, I think he's on the team.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: Oh I think he is solid.
12:47
SPEAKER_02: 100%.
12:48
SPEAKER_02: He'd be a good backup for you know, if Javon Buller goes down, you can put him in the slot there.
12:53
SPEAKER_01: He's big too, so he and he has that outside experience, so he he definitely could see some time there as well.
13:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
13:00
SPEAKER_02: Uh another guy here, we'll talk about quick Mark Perry.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: I think he played probably he he probably played his way into a roster spot as pretty close.
13:09
SPEAKER_02: As a backup safety for sure.
13:11
SPEAKER_01: That's a spot where the numbers are gonna be interesting, how many they keep.
13:16
SPEAKER_01: Obviously you're you're rolling with three starters with uh bull being your your nickel.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's I think pretty pretty established at this point.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: So so that means that kind of gives you an extra spot that's required.
13:31
SPEAKER_01: Um you know, you can slide him over there, but if one of them goes down, you don't really want to pull him off of that spot to make him play safety.
13:38
SPEAKER_01: So I think there's it it's likely there's gonna be five on the roster.
13:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think your top three are obviously pretty solid.
13:48
SPEAKER_01: Um Oladopo has been your you're probably your fourth.
13:52
SPEAKER_02: And they've been trying him out in that slot corner position as well.
13:56
SPEAKER_02: And in my opinion, I brought it up on last week's episode.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: I just he seemed uncomfortable out there, and then pretty much just gave me the same feeling this week against Denver.
14:06
SPEAKER_02: I think he's got the wrong body type.
14:08
SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's cool.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: I I like that they're trying different things.
14:12
SPEAKER_02: I mean, they must like the player a lot because uh they they want to put him in different spots to succeed, they want to find a reason to keep him on the roster.
14:18
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying he's a cut candidate.
14:20
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
14:21
SPEAKER_02: But you just mentioned the numbers, and it's gonna be interesting to see how that comes down at the end, and he might not make it.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: It's hard to say, but either way, I think that still leaves at least one spot for grabs, and it's kind of a competition between Perry and Kenyon, and uh even I know they were repping Haddon there a little bit too, because again, I think they really really like him.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: Uh so Mark Perry, I think, sort of leapfrogged Kenyon.
14:49
SPEAKER_01: Kenyon had a really good first game.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: Perry looked decent against Pittsburgh, and then I think it was opposite this week.
14:56
SPEAKER_01: So I think both are gonna have a very interesting and important third game.
15:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, for sure.
15:01
SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be interesting for sure.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: Um Marshawn Lloyd will talk about here.
15:06
SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm so excited.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: I couldn't be happier.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: He looked great.
15:10
SPEAKER_02: Um, that that choice route he ran.
15:12
SPEAKER_02: They had a linebacker on him, I believe, and he made the guy look silly.
15:15
SPEAKER_02: It was just easy touchdown.
15:16
SPEAKER_02: Oh, easy easy money.
15:17
SPEAKER_02: I mean, Jordan loved easy pass.
15:20
SPEAKER_02: He knew exactly what was gonna happen.
15:21
SPEAKER_01: I believe they checked that play too.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: I saw um Brian Baldinger broke that down.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: I didn't get a chance to fully listen to it, but I'm pretty sure because Lloyd went out in motion and then he came back, and I'm pretty sure Jordan changed the play and got him into that look, and yeah, it was a walk-in touchdown.
15:38
SPEAKER_01: So feel awesome for Marshawn Lloyd.
15:41
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he scored yet uh in his career, even preseason, because I think he's been hurt then too.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it sounds about right.
15:48
SPEAKER_02: So felt really good for the kid.
15:50
SPEAKER_02: You could tell too when he scored that touchdown.
15:52
SPEAKER_02: It was just like a giant weight lifted off of him.
15:54
SPEAKER_02: So that was exciting.
15:55
SPEAKER_02: I was thinking maybe he was gonna break out the backflip, but that's uh kind of been I think Matt told him uh don't do that again.
16:02
SPEAKER_02: No more backflips.
16:04
SPEAKER_02: And then the last guy we'll talk about here, uh the man of the hour, Trey Smack.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: Is he good?
16:12
SPEAKER_02: He's great so far.
16:13
SPEAKER_02: Hall of Famer man so far.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: Just kidding.
16:15
SPEAKER_02: He's done everything right, and his kicks, they're perfect.
16:20
SPEAKER_01: I I love how yeah, he it's it's splitting the uprights directly down the middle.
16:26
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then honestly, the thing that has been impressive to me as well, the kicks are great.
16:31
SPEAKER_01: Obviously, the kicks are very important, and we've been so heartbroken from kickers.
16:37
SPEAKER_01: The thing that is just as important in my opinion are his kickoffs.
16:40
SPEAKER_02: Did you hear that comment he made about how he kind of beat himself up?
16:43
SPEAKER_01: No.
16:44
SPEAKER_02: So the uh I think it was his first or second kickoff.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: There was a touchback on it.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: Yes, I remember that.
16:49
SPEAKER_02: And he was kind of beating himself up about it because it's Denver high altitude.
16:53
SPEAKER_02: Like he said, I thought I had it in pregames, and I just put a little too much on it, and you could just tell he uh he was kind of down on himself a little bit because he you don't want a touchback nowadays, you want the uh returner to take it out.
17:06
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, you could tell that he's that's awesome.
17:08
SPEAKER_02: He's competitive and he wants to do the right things, and yeah.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: Sweet.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, the from then on out, they were inside the five and directional, and and the coverage look pretty good.
17:19
SPEAKER_01: I thought so too.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: I've been I've been thrilled with special teams so far.
17:23
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Camacord, the new special teams coordinator, is I don't know what he's doing, what he's putting in his coffee.
17:29
SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's going on, but uh he's impressed me a ton.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: He's out there on the field.
17:34
SPEAKER_02: He's they had a mic'ed up um clip of him.
17:37
SPEAKER_02: I did see that.
17:38
SPEAKER_02: Cracked me up a little bit because you can just tell he's full of energy and he's doing all the right things.
17:43
SPEAKER_02: He's out there, he's talking to his players, you know, he's out on the field.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: The guy wears cleats to practice.
17:47
SPEAKER_02: You see, he had a rep uh this week in practice that he ran with the gunner on a punt.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: I think he took uh took down a tackling dummy too at one point.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: So that's awesome.
17:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh we'll touch on special teams here quick too, because it's kind of uh a bigger thing, I think.
18:02
SPEAKER_02: So Matt Orzik, um, he's been hurt, he's our long snapper for the last three, four years, I believe.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: So um, he's been dealing with some injuries, hasn't played a single rep in training.
18:13
SPEAKER_02: He's still on pups.
18:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he's still on the PUP.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: So they went and they picked up uh Cal L what's the last thank you.
18:22
SPEAKER_02: And in my opinion, this is working right now.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: He's done nothing wrong, and when you have a rookie kicker, even any kind of question mark at kicker, the long snapper is just as important.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Him and the holder, it it's an entire operation.
18:37
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: It it's so much more than just a kicker.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the fact that they are working together and the kicks are, like we said, perfect so far.
18:48
SPEAKER_01: There's no reason to change anything.
18:49
SPEAKER_02: I don't think so either.
18:50
SPEAKER_02: I like Matt Orzek.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: I don't want him to get cut, but you don't need two long snappers, you never will have two long snappers.
18:57
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: So I think I mentioned that to you after uh after the Pittsburgh game, that I wouldn't be surprised if if this is the operation they go with.
19:07
SPEAKER_01: Um he's got a little bit of a cap hit, especially for a long snapper.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: Um I think I saw the difference between cutting him or Adamitis would be Adamitis would be no cap hit at all because it's just a minimum contract, and uh Orzik would be I think like one point something.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: True.
19:23
SPEAKER_01: Which big picture isn't a lot, but you kind of earmark certain positions for an amount, and that's one that you really don't want to have uh a dead cap hit.
19:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:36
SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
19:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, this is working.
19:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean, we've talked about it on here many times.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: Special teams have just been a thorn in our side, and I don't want to risk changing anything that's working right now.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: So I think that that's probably a big part of it too.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: For pretty much most of our lives, special teams has really kind of sucked.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: And right now, because it is working, it's really hard to want to make a change.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: You know, there's there's teams that their special teams is always good, no matter who's out there.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: So, oh yeah, just make the change, it's no big deal.
20:11
SPEAKER_01: And here we're like, uh no, we're not changing anything.
20:14
SPEAKER_02: Right?
20:15
SPEAKER_02: We've mentioned it to each other multiple times.
20:16
SPEAKER_02: If we could just be middle of the pack at the end of the year in special teams, we'd probably win a Super Bowl, maybe.
20:23
SPEAKER_02: There's med there's been many examples over the past ten years where just botched special teams, blocked punts, blocked kicks.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: Even last year.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: Returns.
20:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:31
SPEAKER_02: Last year.
20:31
SPEAKER_01: That's some of the game they've tied with Dallas.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: If we make an extra point, or don't get an extra point blocked, we win that game.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: And then you're talking another win and a division and not wild card.
20:42
SPEAKER_01: So it's yeah, it it is a not fun subject to talk about.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, just before we finish on that too, Trace Mac is going to miss.
20:52
SPEAKER_01: Please don't get freaked out and worry about oh no, now he's broken.
20:56
SPEAKER_01: He's gonna miss.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be okay.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: But right now I think he's got a good makeup, he's he's got a good process, a good setup, he's he's doing fine.
21:06
SPEAKER_01: And obviously the kicks are going in, and that's awesome.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: But when he misses, don't act like all of a sudden he forgot how to kick.
21:14
SPEAKER_01: You know, I know I know we've been hurt by that before, but it's gonna be alright.
21:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, so what else do we want to touch on here?
21:23
SPEAKER_01: Uh more about being alright.
21:25
SPEAKER_01: I think Tyrod Taylor.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh there's been some stuff out there that I've seen, I know you've seen it too.
21:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh where I almost texted you, and I decided not to, because that's what we got this podcast here for now to hop on and to vent or to share some frustrations about this dumb comment I read on Twitter.
21:44
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Tyrod Taylor, he's our number two quarterback.
21:47
SPEAKER_02: That's why they signed him.
21:48
SPEAKER_02: That's why he came here.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: I know Kyle McCord is playing well, and that's that's an alright thing, too.
21:52
SPEAKER_02: Good problem to have.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: It's a great problem to have.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: He's gonna be a practice squad guy, and next year he might be the number two quarterback.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Quarterback behind Jordan Love.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: We'll see what happens.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: But Tyrod Taylor was brought here specifically as an insurance policy.
22:06
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
22:07
SPEAKER_02: Jordan Love's missed a few games over the last couple seasons.
22:11
SPEAKER_02: I'm hoping we don't have to see Tyrod Taylor in, except for maybe garbage time when we're up.
22:16
SPEAKER_02: But the guy's a 16-year pro.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:19
SPEAKER_02: He's been in dozens of offenses.
22:22
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
22:23
SPEAKER_02: Dozens of coordinators.
22:24
SPEAKER_02: He's got so much experience.
22:25
SPEAKER_02: That's what he was brought here to do.
22:27
SPEAKER_02: So chill with the cut Tyrod Taylor talk.
22:30
SPEAKER_02: It's not going to happen.
22:31
SPEAKER_01: No, no way.
22:33
SPEAKER_01: Also, I think John Kuhn made the comment on the broadcast I caught that basically he's like, Tyrod Taylor's not he's not playing for his roster spot right now.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's exactly what he said, but basically, the guys he's playing with are backups.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: He's taking what the defense is giving him, he's not trying to do anything flashy to stand out in the coaches' minds so that you know he gets that extra step on a roster.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: He's there.
22:57
SPEAKER_01: He he basically said that what we just said.
23:01
SPEAKER_01: Tyrod Taylor is on the team as a backup quarterback.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: And he right now he's playing with the twos.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: If there was a situation, this is me now, if there was a situation where he did have to come in, he's coming in with the starters.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: And it's going to look a whole lot different than what it probably would in a situation like that where you're playing with the backup offensive line, backup receivers, backup tight end.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: Everybody is kind of just your number two, your backups.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: So he yeah, he he's gonna be the backup quarterback.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: Uh let's talk about that tight end three position.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: Number number three tight end.
23:34
SPEAKER_02: We've been talking about that here the last couple episodes.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: I still think it's wide open.
23:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, you made a really good point before we hopped on uh here, if you want to talk about that.
23:45
SPEAKER_01: I will.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh I do not think um our number three tight end is on the roster right now.
23:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh I guess unless it's uh Luke Musgrave, I suppose that is an option.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh, but that doesn't seem like it's coming anytime soon, especially not in time for opening week.
23:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:59
SPEAKER_01: Uh so I think it is gonna be Tuckercraft and then Josh Wiley, and then we are going to pick up somebody that gets cut or probably not make a trade again because I think they are okay with Musgrave.
24:14
SPEAKER_01: I think um I think they would have probably designated him and cut him already if it was a career-threatening one, uh, especially the Packers.
24:24
SPEAKER_01: They really are extra cautious.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: Um Headneck and Heart, I think it was a Goodye that said that.
24:30
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
24:31
SPEAKER_01: Um anything that's headneck and heart, they're extra extra cautious.
24:35
SPEAKER_01: So the fact that they're you know still hanging on to him, I think they're they're okay with how that process is going.
24:40
SPEAKER_01: It's just it might take a little bit yet.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: So um I doubt maybe not doubt, but uh a trade would probably surprise me there.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be a guy that ends up getting cut.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Uh probably um a guy that has been there before.
24:55
SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if uh Zaguara might be a free agent right now, so probably not him, but maybe there's there's a guy that's out there that Ben Sims?
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, somebody like that that falls through a roster that they can pick up and just plug and play kind of deal.
25:10
SPEAKER_02: That being said, though, with uh next and last preseason game coming here, I mean you're gonna see a lot of reps from guys like Messiah Swinson, Drake Dabney, uh McAllen Castles.
25:23
SPEAKER_02: The opportunity is there for them still.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: I think that would be a great uh not problem, but a great situation if one of those guys can can grab it.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
25:33
SPEAKER_02: So we'll see for sure what happens there.
25:35
SPEAKER_02: I'm kind of leaning more towards what you're saying.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna go scoop a guy up after cut down time.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: They do have um, I forget his name.
25:43
SPEAKER_02: The international pathway guy, yeah.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: Who is basically a lock to be on your practice squad because that's what he's designated as.
25:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh, so they will have a tight end on the practice squad.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: So in a situation like that, there there is a possibility they could go with seven wide receivers for however long maybe it's because you get two call-ups.
26:03
SPEAKER_01: So if Musgrave is out for just two weeks, they could go with seven and then call up their practice squad tight end for those first two games.
26:11
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh this is totally just spitballing, and I literally just thought of it now.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: But that's something that they could could look to do too.
26:20
SPEAKER_02: That's a solid point.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess let's touch on a few guys who, in our eyes, in our minds, just some negatives.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:29
SPEAKER_02: Um, we're both, and I think a lot of pack a nation, as I saw a lot of stuff on social media.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: Anthony Belton, big struggle.
26:38
SPEAKER_02: The guy, he's had the opportunities.
26:40
SPEAKER_02: He played almost the whole game, you said.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: I I saw him in the fourth quarter.
26:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: I think.
26:46
SPEAKER_02: Pretty sure.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Either way, into the third for sure.
26:49
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he's he's a guy that they want to get the reps.
26:53
SPEAKER_02: They want to what was he, uh third round pick last season?
26:55
SPEAKER_02: Second.
26:56
SPEAKER_02: Second round pick.
26:57
SPEAKER_02: And he just he has some plays where it looks pretty good, but then his bad plays completely make you forget about like blow up the play.
27:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's it's egregious, it's not not good.
27:09
SPEAKER_02: He's gonna get somebody hurt.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: I mean, so kind of reminds me of uh Rashid Walker down the stretch last year where you know that everything was working, and then all of a sudden Rashid gets beat before Jordan can turn around and now the play is over and now we're punting.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Gives me uh Jason Spriggs flashbacks, yeah.
27:27
SPEAKER_01: It it sucks because he I thought last year he looked fine.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Like he wasn't necessarily an all-world guy, but he he didn't have too many plays where he was the problem, let's say.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: So the fact that he is really almost dropped off a cliff here has been a little concerning.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm not sure if there's something going on or what what's going on there, but he'll be on the roster for sure.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: He's a second round pick from last year.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: You're gonna keep him most likely through that contract.
27:57
SPEAKER_02: He started a handful of games last year.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: I mean, even going into this season, I think we maybe it was just me.
28:03
SPEAKER_02: I can't remember for sure, but in my mind, I thought he was gonna have a spot like maybe in the starting lineup.
28:09
SPEAKER_01: Um I think early on that was kind of the consensus that all right, here's your starting offensive line.
28:14
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be Morgan Banks, Ryan Belton, and Zach, formerly Tom.
28:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, formerly Tom.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: Bakabawele, I believe it is.
28:22
SPEAKER_02: That sounds right.
28:23
SPEAKER_02: Z Bach.
28:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh Isaiah Nayer, another guy.
28:27
SPEAKER_01: I think fumbled a little bit of opportunity in that game.
28:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh he he still looks good.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: He had I think he had one nice catch, but he had a pretty uh pretty bad drop.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, which when the margins are so thin for that last spot, that's that that doesn't help your cause.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, likely will be a practice squad guy.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I agree 100% with you.
28:47
SPEAKER_02: I I'm kind of rooting for Will Shepherd now.
28:50
SPEAKER_02: And make us right.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: Well, just he's been a guy that's been around for a little bit, and I think he's proven he's got some ability, I think, for sure.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: It just yeah, that's kind of where it's trending.
29:00
SPEAKER_02: And we mentioned him earlier too, Katano Ladapo.
29:03
SPEAKER_02: I still think he's gonna have a spot.
29:05
SPEAKER_02: It once again it all depends on how the numbers mesh.
29:08
SPEAKER_01: He's a big special teams guy.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: I like him on special teams, so I think I think he's a safety though.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: I I agree.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: I think I'm done with uh the nickel corner experience.
29:18
SPEAKER_01: It may be, I mean, this is a thing that happens every year on every team, too.
29:23
SPEAKER_01: Like sometimes they'll throw guys in positions they're not comfortable or have never played before, to see if they can do it because it's a long season, guys get hurt, and you might be in a situation where okay, maybe Bullard goes down and then and then maybe Haddon goes down.
29:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so now what do you do?
29:41
SPEAKER_02: You took the words right out of my mouth.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: That's what I was about to say.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: Is it's better to know what a guy can do, you know, down the road rather than just thrust him into that role and say, All right, here we go.
29:52
SPEAKER_02: We need you to right feel these shoes now.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: I mean, you know what he's done there, you know he's capable of it, he knows the call, he knows the alignment, like he knows what to do.
30:00
SPEAKER_02: Correct.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: So, and that's you know, that that's a situation in a game that that's two guys getting hurt.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: Where now all of a sudden you're out of depth.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: So you need a guy that has at least practiced it.
30:13
SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's not great, but he can do it.
30:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:16
SPEAKER_02: So anything else you want to touch on Denver before we uh move on to Arizona?
30:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't remember.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: I think we're pretty much set there.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: I guess I'll bring up one thing here.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: Um I wrote some notes down during the game, and I just noticed like the defensive pursuit, like going east to west.
30:36
SPEAKER_02: I felt like there was a lot of bodies flying to the ball.
30:39
SPEAKER_02: There was a lot of gang tackling, there was just guys in the right place.
30:42
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there were a couple plays there where uh Denver checked it down, you know, for like a screen or like a little running back bubble route, and there was a corner or a safety or a linebacker, Isaiah McDuffie, I believe, made a really nice play.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
30:56
SPEAKER_02: Kamal Haddon made a really nice play.
30:58
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm drawing blanks on the other guys, but it just in my mind, I like to see that out of my defense.
31:04
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: Guys flying to the ball.
31:06
SPEAKER_01: That's what they did year one under Halfly 2.
31:09
SPEAKER_01: They were like it was noticeable on the screen, their ability to gang tackle, and then even to start the year last year, it looked pretty good.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: And then when they fell off, that was something that was reported.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:21
SPEAKER_01: That all of a sudden, like there were one, maybe two guys at the ball when the play was done, and it just for whatever reason they forgot or just quit doing it.
31:32
SPEAKER_01: So to to see that again is is good because that's kind of a a mantra of every defense, every good defense at least, is everybody flying to the ball.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, that's super important.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: So I agree that that looked very good.
31:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh, we kind of touched on it too, uh, just special teams in general so far has looked much improved.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that nice return by Pierre Strong.
31:54
SPEAKER_02: That was something we haven't seen in a long time.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: 60, 60 something yards, I believe.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: 68, I believe.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, that's just overall the the kick coverage, the punt coverage, the punt return, the kick return.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: It just seems like everything's going right right now, and I'm gonna give the credit to Cam accord.
32:12
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the only thing that's really changed as far as coordinator, and you can tell I brought it up earlier.
32:18
SPEAKER_02: He just got that mentality, like he knows he wants to win.
32:23
SPEAKER_02: He's aggressive, he likes to have fun with the job, and I think that's something Rich Basaccia was lacking.
32:29
SPEAKER_02: He was kind of more of a nose to the grindstone, like I'm this grumpy old man, like my players know what I expect, so they're gonna do it.
32:38
SPEAKER_02: Where Cam, he's gonna go out and he's gonna teach you, he's gonna show you, he's gonna have fun doing it.
32:42
SPEAKER_02: Yes, he's gonna make learning fun again.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: I know it sounds kind of elementary, but that's what a lot of these guys need, I think.
32:48
SPEAKER_01: It I love his background too.
32:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he if you don't know, he coached uh New England special teams under Bill Belichick, who that's where Bill came from.
32:58
SPEAKER_01: He was originally a special teams coordinator, so that was kind of his baby, and it I don't know that you can say that it shows, but you know he's got some influence there, so yeah.
33:09
SPEAKER_02: So we'll hop into Cardinals here real quick.
33:11
SPEAKER_02: Joint practice this week as well.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm excited to see some stuff.
33:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, my girlfriend's going to joint practice.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's a work function, and I'm not happy with it.
33:24
SPEAKER_01: No, uh it's it's a super cool opportunity.
33:27
SPEAKER_01: She's gonna have a lot of fun, but yeah, I'm I can't uh can't say that I'm not jealous as well.
33:31
SPEAKER_02: I told her to take pictures and videos and take some notes for us to write down.
33:35
SPEAKER_01: There you go.
33:36
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, joint practice this week.
33:37
SPEAKER_02: So I'm assuming um starters are probably not gonna play in the game itself.
33:42
SPEAKER_01: I'd be pretty surprised, at least the main ones.
33:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:45
SPEAKER_01: I I doubt Jordan Love's gonna play.
33:47
SPEAKER_01: Uh could see Jordan Morgan sitting.
33:49
SPEAKER_02: Um we don't have to get into all of them, but yeah, pretty much your very, very important players are are not gonna play.
33:57
SPEAKER_02: They're gonna do the scrimmages and all the stuff and joint practice.
34:00
SPEAKER_01: I think that's why the coaches appreciate them and have been scheduling just about everybody has one now, uh, where they they get together with the team they're playing, and then that week of practice or even day or two is where the main kind of tape and intensity comes from, those practices, and then during the game you don't have to run your starters out because they get those sort of game reps during the week of practice.
34:26
SPEAKER_01: In a much more controlled scenario, uh, you know, the quarterback can see some live defense and still isn't gonna get touched.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:33
SPEAKER_01: Um, I think that's definitely a little a lot safer.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: You think there's gonna be a fight?
34:39
SPEAKER_01: I hope not.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: I'm getting kind of old.
34:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know what you mean.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: There's usually at least one skirmish.
34:44
SPEAKER_01: There might be a scuffle where a little pushing and shoving, but no fights, no fights.
34:48
SPEAKER_02: Also, um, something I wanted to mention.
34:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm all for joint practice.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: I think it's a great opportunity.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: But this last week, I think there were a couple bigger players throughout the league that uh went down during joint practice.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that?
35:01
SPEAKER_01: Because I think you texted me and said, Can we just cancel it?
35:03
SPEAKER_01: Because some guys have gotten hurt and and big hurt.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: I think former uh Wisconsin Badgers offense lineman, Tyler Biatish.
35:10
SPEAKER_02: Yep, he's out for season now.
35:11
SPEAKER_02: Somebody, one of the uh 49ers players, I believe, came down on his leg, twisted his leg up.
35:17
SPEAKER_01: That was kind of yeah, that was I think that was a bad play by the guard playing next to him, but still, it was a scenario that didn't need to happen.
35:25
SPEAKER_02: And then uh I can't remember who the other player was.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: Jaden Higgins, I believe, the wide receiver for uh Houston.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: Houston.
35:30
SPEAKER_02: And I I don't know what happened on that play specifically, but it sounds like Torres.
35:35
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I don't know if it was a contact, non-contact, but either way, I'm I'm all for joint practice.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: I'm just we've made it this far with no injuries significantly.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Anyway.
35:46
SPEAKER_02: Let's hopefully we keep it that way.
35:49
SPEAKER_01: I would agree with that.
35:50
SPEAKER_01: So let's yeah, let's be smart and have some good intensity and and get some reps on tape, but make sure everybody comes away walking.
35:57
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
35:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh players to continue watching, we'll talk about just some of the guys we had talked about that played very well against Denver.
36:05
SPEAKER_02: Kamal Haddon for sure.
36:06
SPEAKER_02: Want to see want to see one last uh good push from him.
36:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: Just I mean, he's on the team, but I was just gonna say, I think he's gone from uh sort of roster bubble to now depth chart climbing a little bit.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: Especially in that cornerback room.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: You know, we're kind of we've talked about it a couple times already, I think.
36:26
SPEAKER_01: It's basically Cisei, and then you got a fairly large group of guys for who you can pick from.
36:32
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:33
SPEAKER_01: There's really not a whole lot of separation there.
36:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh Trace Mac, obviously.
36:38
SPEAKER_01: I'm done watching Trace Mac.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: Yep, we're done.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: He's good.
36:41
SPEAKER_01: He's solid.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Marshawn Lloyd.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Pretty solid on him, too.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: What'd you say?
36:46
SPEAKER_01: What's your prediction for him?
36:47
SPEAKER_01: You wanna wanna throw that out there or you want to keep it to yourself?
36:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, shoot.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: Let me think here.
36:52
SPEAKER_02: Not to put you on the spot.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: Oh, the number might have changed already since last time I texted you.
36:56
SPEAKER_02: So originally, I'm not gonna give my original prediction.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: This was probably two, three weeks ago, but the one that I had uh tweaked a little bit here, based on um so Emmanuel Wilson, a running back that we had last season, and I believe the season before, he had somewhere around like 600 rushing yards.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: I believe so, yeah.
37:14
SPEAKER_02: And he's getting the reps, and he's obviously a different uh build, different body type, different runner than Marshawn Lloyd is.
37:21
SPEAKER_02: But um, I'm thinking that Marshawn Lloyd, he's gonna be pushing right around 700, 800 all-purpose yards, rushing and receiving.
37:30
SPEAKER_02: Obviously, health is important.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
37:32
SPEAKER_02: I mean So to kind of give you an out there, but I appreciate that.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: But as long as he's healthy, uh, yeah, I I would not be surprised by that at all.
37:40
SPEAKER_02: And that would be huge.
37:41
SPEAKER_01: He's got uh a lot of ability in the passing game, too.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: So you definitely could see him in some of those more passing situations.
37:50
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:51
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, book that if you're if you're a bet maker, if you like making bets, and uh you you trust me.
37:58
SPEAKER_02: I'm just kidding.
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh Will Shepard, we talked about him, just looking forward to him one last time, one last push, maybe getting that last wide receiver spot, depending on what they do.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: I think he would need a big game, but I don't think it's out of the question.
38:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:11
SPEAKER_02: And then uh Pierre Strong.
38:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think it's a long shot for him to make this roster as uh as a starting running back.
38:17
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, starting running back.
38:18
SPEAKER_02: We're going with three, most likely.
38:20
SPEAKER_02: Josh Jacobs, Marshawn Lloyd, Chris Brooks.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: There might be room for a fourth.
38:25
SPEAKER_01: Um I wonder if they would toy around with the idea of Chris Brooks sort of being a lead blocker.
38:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: You know, you can you can still roster him and have him be a awesome third down pass blocking running back.
38:39
SPEAKER_02: I'm a Chris Brooks believer.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: I mean just want to throw that out there.
38:42
SPEAKER_02: But he wasn't so against Denver, his um rushing opportunities, they weren't the best.
38:49
SPEAKER_02: The the O-line kind of left him out to dry and kind of screwed him over a little bit.
38:54
SPEAKER_02: He didn't have the the best film, I would say.
38:58
SPEAKER_02: Probably not against Denver.
39:00
SPEAKER_02: But that doesn't mean he's not on the team and Pierre Strong.
39:03
SPEAKER_02: I mean, he just took advantage of the opportunities and the offensive line happened to block a little better for him.
39:07
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not sitting here saying Chris Brooks is getting cut and Pierre Strong's making the team, but I think that there is a world where I kind of like what you had mentioned, finding a way to utilize Chris Brooks more as like a fullback fullback position.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: Especially if they kind of go with what I, you know, pulled off the top of my head with the tight end situation where you only keep two.
39:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: They could, if they keep two, instead of seven receivers, they could keep four backs.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: True.
39:32
SPEAKER_01: So it's there's definitely some roster juggling, but it it is an option.
39:37
SPEAKER_02: And if Strong does make the roster, don't expect him to see him out there on Sundays in the backfield.
39:43
SPEAKER_02: Returner, maybe, after that really nice return he had, and he's got some special teams experience from what it seems like.
39:49
SPEAKER_01: I mean There's also a guy who could make the team and then be consistently a healthy scratch.
39:55
SPEAKER_01: You can only keep you can only roster, or not roster, but have 46 guys active.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: So and it's a 53-man roster.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: So some guys have to not play when they're healthy, which it's just the name of the game.
40:07
SPEAKER_01: So that is an option, but to have that guy be available in case Jacobs or Lloyd or even Brooks gets banged up in practice, or you know, oh, he twisted his ankle in a game, finished the game, but now next week it's swelled up and he can't play.
40:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
40:22
SPEAKER_01: So that that is something to to keep an eye on.
40:26
SPEAKER_01: I I like that a lot.
40:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think he definitely showed some flashes.
40:31
SPEAKER_01: Uh, I was sort of a a Jaden Nixon fan.
40:33
SPEAKER_01: Um he's he's looked fine, but but I think yeah, Pierre Strong has definitely jumped him.
40:39
SPEAKER_02: I think Nixon had a touchdown, rushing touchdown.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: He did.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: Yes, he did.
40:42
SPEAKER_02: He had a nice inside run, it was.
40:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and he got up to the He broke like a 16 yarder just before that, too.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think he got him within the five or six yard line there, and then they ended up finishing it off with him at the goal line.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like changed my no.
40:56
SPEAKER_01: I still like still like Pierre Strong over Jaden Nixon, but I do like what Nixon has shown.
41:00
SPEAKER_01: Practice squad guy for sure.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: I think so.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: I think that's pretty pretty easy bet, unless somebody would roster him somewhere else.
41:06
SPEAKER_01: True.
41:07
SPEAKER_02: All right, you want to do player stock?
41:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we've kind of been talking about guys who are up and down in our eyes, but um uh basically just the guys who are down, I think, because we kind of we touched on the the ups for the most part um pretty extensively.
41:20
SPEAKER_01: I think player stock that's down is um as a nayer.
41:25
SPEAKER_01: I think he pretty much is gonna be practice squad only at this point.
41:29
SPEAKER_01: Um Anthony Belton has really struggled.
41:32
SPEAKER_01: Again, like you said, he's not getting cut, but he's maybe not gonna be the first choice as your backup.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh I think John Williams is a guy that we did not mention um as far as being a stock up guy.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: But he's looked good.
41:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:47
SPEAKER_01: He's he's kind of maybe taken over that swing tackle with the injury to Kennard and the lack of production from Anthony Belton.
41:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh John Williams has a real opportunity.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: I think he is solidly on the team.
41:59
SPEAKER_01: Um he was a draft pick last year, sixth or seventh round.
42:02
SPEAKER_01: He was pretty late.
42:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, but he I think he spent most of the year either on the injured list or he was just he was out.
42:08
SPEAKER_01: He I think he had some off the field stuff maybe and and a back.
42:11
SPEAKER_01: Uh and when I say off the field, not problems, just some like some uh personal stuff going on.
42:17
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, he he's been a guy that has really kind of impressed me.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: He's he hasn't really uh had his name called, which as an offensive lineman, that's good.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm pretty sure we mentioned that before.
42:30
SPEAKER_01: Where if you don't hear their name, that that's good.
42:32
SPEAKER_01: Uh he's yeah, he he's pretty much been invisible in in a good way uh on the offensive line.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: So he's he's a guy that I think his stock is is really up.
42:42
SPEAKER_01: Uh it'll be interesting to see how many linemen they keep.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: Um that's why they cross-train these guys, just so everybody's aware.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: The more you can do, the less people they have to keep.
42:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: So if if you can play just tackle and just guard, well, now all of a sudden you gotta keep a backup at all those positions, and then you lose the ability to roster somebody else that maybe you want, like a Will Shepherd or a Pierre Strong or Mark Perry, some of these guys that we've mentioned.
43:07
SPEAKER_01: Uh, if you have to keep an offensive lineman that can only play center and only play right guard and only play right tackle, well, now you're losing your versatility elsewhere.
43:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:17
SPEAKER_02: Um, I guess, yeah, I mentioned it earlier too, Katano Adapo.
43:22
SPEAKER_02: Um, not really much more to say on him.
43:25
SPEAKER_02: We'll see if he gets more safety reps or if he's back in that slot um corner spot.
43:32
SPEAKER_02: It'll just be very interesting to see.
43:34
SPEAKER_02: But if he could he could put a few pieces together here and make a good showing against Arizona, I think he's got a roster spot locked up for him.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I I think we mentioned it before.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't think he's getting cut.
43:45
SPEAKER_01: Uh I guess it wouldn't entirely surprise me, but it kinda would.
43:51
SPEAKER_01: Um he's he's an important special teams guy at the very least, so and having the ability to at least play in the the slot is is big.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: So it's just he hasn't looked great doing it.
44:04
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, his stock is maybe maybe even.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:07
SPEAKER_01: Maybe not down, but it it hasn't gone up.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: So he's a guy to keep an eye on for n this following week.
44:14
SPEAKER_02: Well, I think that kind of wraps it up here.
44:16
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44:19
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44:20
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