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Protect The Light In Your Kids with Lindsey Erin Vesnic · The Elsa Kurt Show

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  SPEAKER_04: Today we're joined by Lindsay Aaron Vesnick, author of the Amazon number one best-selling memoir Raising Light.
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  SPEAKER_04: A memoir of faith, family, and the miracles that shape us.
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  SPEAKER_04: Lindsay's story moves through dyslexia, becoming a stepmother, motherhood, homeschooling, and some of those unexpected turns in life that have a way of changing not only where we're going, but how we see everything around us.
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  SPEAKER_04: At the heart of her book is something a lot of parents need to hear.
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  SPEAKER_04: We're not called to raise perfect children.
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  SPEAKER_04: We're called to recognize, nurture, and protect the light God has placed within them.
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  SPEAKER_04: Let's welcome Lindsay to the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Lindsay, welcome to the show.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hi, thank you so much.
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  SPEAKER_03: You are so welcome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm excited to um to share your book and your story.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um what y'all don't know watching is that we were chit-chatting beforehand and uh we have some exciting things to share.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, we, like I had a part in this, like I had any say in this excitement.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, but I'm so I'm so honored that I I get to be part of sharing that with people because it's um it's a beautiful thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um but we're not telling y'all yet.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're not gonna do it.
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  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna we're gonna lead you up to it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um I'm gonna start actually be before the book.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's um share with everybody a little bit about you and your story, if you wouldn't mind.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, uh, and thank you.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so blessed to be on here.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, my story starts with uh, well, when I started writing the book, I didn't know where to begin writing it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that's kind of where I think a lot of the heart of the book begins.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I um was younger, I was diagnosed with dyslexia.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, that really was a very unique educational experience for me.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but then I became later in life, I became a teacher.
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  SPEAKER_02: I became a dog trainer, I own a dog training business.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I also rehabbed wildlife.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was a licensed wildlife rehabber.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I became a real estate agent.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was a realtor.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so all of these different things in life, I remember questioning, like, what is my purpose?
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  SPEAKER_02: What am I doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: And um as it um comes about in the book, it wasn't when I became a mom, I realized how all of these pieces were not just these random things that happened in my life.
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  SPEAKER_02: They all made me the person I am today and the mom I am today.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, by the way, you're who I want to be when I grow up.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like you do the coolest things, the the wildlife rehab right there.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was like, can I be your best friend now?
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  SPEAKER_03: I loved it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It was so fun.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, so cool.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, we do we do share a similarity that we we like to branch off into many things, many interests.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and I I personally love that because I think life is so short, our time here is so short, and you know that you're you're purpose driven and I love that as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and yeah, absolutely be becoming a parent is it's kind of when everything starts to solidify, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Like all of these things that you're wondering, how did I get here, or what what are these, what are the point of these things?
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  SPEAKER_03: And it all kind of starts to clarify, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: When the little ones come in.
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  SPEAKER_02: When I my um you know my work with animals, it taught me such a valuable difference between being aggressive and being assertive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, that you really have you're truly weak if you are aggressive.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, whereas you are very powerful if you are assertive.
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  SPEAKER_02: And there's a difference.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that made me such a better teacher.
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  SPEAKER_02: The way that I could communicate with my kids when they were doing the right thing, um, it was we're good.
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  SPEAKER_02: When they weren't, I I corrected it and I dealt with it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but everything was um was addressed.
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  SPEAKER_02: Either, nope, this is not what I want, yes, this is.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they had constant communication, and it's amazing how that helps.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, in today's world, I think kids are just a little bit too gentle parented.
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  SPEAKER_02: I am not a fan of that at all.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, I love my children.
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  SPEAKER_02: My children know that we have a wonderful relationship, but they also know that if they mess up, it is not gonna be a fun day for them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mom, mom will be assertive.
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  SPEAKER_03: You mean how you're teaching that weird crazy thing called accountability?
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  SPEAKER_03: How odd, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um goodness.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it and and being a realtor taught me, you know, amazing negotiation skills that you need as a parent.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, being a teacher just helped me actually become a homeschool teacher for Lucy and the patients and the organization.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it all fit together beautifully.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like God's plan was there.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't see it in the middle of it, but I'm learning to see it now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: And by the way, um, I I I think I'm making a safe assumption that that is Lucy on the cover with you.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yes, that is my girl.
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  SPEAKER_03: So beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely precious.
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  SPEAKER_03: That smile lights up the whole world.
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  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_03: It truly does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, tell me, I want to go back a little bit to the dyslexia.
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  SPEAKER_03: So as someone who grew up in an era where they didn't diagnose much of anything, um, you know, you were either a problem child or difficult or, you know, even worse, stupid, basically.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's where back I go.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, tell me about what it was like growing, well, growing up with dyslexia.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm assuming I don't know how old you were and they diagnosed you, but until the point where you had a name for it, um, what was that like?
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  SPEAKER_03: And then finding out that there's actually a name for it.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was well, I was in second grade when I was diagnosed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And prior to that, I I have I have a pretty severe level of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even realize there was different levels, but mine when I was younger, I could actually see letters flip.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so I would get so confused, like, okay, what was that?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I would remember things, for example, if we were driving somewhere and let's say there's a car dealership on the right hand side, I would remember on the left.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just things would flip.
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  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't just words, it was even like the memory of something would flip into an opposite location.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I was told as a child that I would not amount to much and that I really should set the bar low and that I couldn't do X, Y, and Z.
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  SPEAKER_02: It literally, for me, dyslexia put me into a box that I thought I wasn't allowed to get out of or that I couldn't get out of.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it made me feel sheepish, it made me feel stupid.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, it made me feel um that I wasn't, I didn't have a lot of value.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it truly wasn't until a professor changed my life, Amy Masko.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I she helped me to see dyslexia as truly a gift and a superpower.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it's amazing because um I I had my um my transcripts here from college, but my whole educational life prior to that moment with Amy Masko was a CD student.
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  SPEAKER_02: When she told me that I, that that was a superpower, that wasn't something that I should, you know, act like that was to hold me back.
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  SPEAKER_02: My my grades went to straight A's and everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: And this is not to pat myself on the back.
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  SPEAKER_02: This is just to show what a difference it can make if you find light in a child and you show it to them versus, you know, again, putting them into this box and making them feel they can't achieve things.
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  SPEAKER_03: So relatable, I think, to so many people listening and watching and reading your book because you talk about this um in your book and you share that experience and that and that um, you know, probably like life lessons from from that as well.
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  SPEAKER_03: Because I I know we know there's so many people that even today, with as much as we know, um, still have that feeling of this makes me, you know, unable to be successful.
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  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, somebody with dyslexia wrote a book here, you know.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So what I mean, what how does that change things for you when you're when you're writing a book?
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's is there a whole different process than the traditional just sit in front of the computer and type it all out?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, for some reason, I have always been so comfortable typing my whole my whole life.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can type and the way that I type is very different than the way that I speak.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's it's always been the case.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's just so easy for words to come to me when I'm typing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so for me, um it's often very therapeutic and very um it's just very beneficial to sit down and just type things out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so what I did when I started writing this, I I did.
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  SPEAKER_02: I sat behind a computer, it was a mess.
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  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know how to organize it.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'd never written a book.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have written stories, but I'd never written a book and I again didn't even know where to start.
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  SPEAKER_02: So it was just kind of putting things down that I truly think God was just, you know, telling me, reminding me of this and this and this, and um, you know, just kind of revealing the plan and the path that he put me on that I didn't even realize in the moment.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell me about the moment that you decided like the this story, my story needs to be shared.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's that's my husband.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, my husband, it's so sweet because we would um so I I decided very early on that I wanted to raise Lucy differently.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, she's a miracle, as it shows chapter four is a big tear jerker.
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  SPEAKER_02: You need a Kleenex box for that one, but she's a miracle.
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  SPEAKER_02: And and every child is, but we were told we couldn't have children, and God said, not true.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, anyways, when I wanted, I knew I wanted to raise her with none of those boxes.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, so we would get games and toys, and it would say, Oh, for kids five plus, and uh whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what that thing says.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's see what she thinks about it.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I mean, she could identify colors like turquoise before she could even speak.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, she could point to it, and and I don't think there's anything magical about her.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I think kids can do this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I think if you spend intentional time with your child, they can do this.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so what would happen is, and we'd get in the car, there would be no screens, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead and look out the window, enjoy the clouds, something when we'd go to a restaurant, you know, especially she got a little bit older, two and three, we never do screens.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're just not allowed in those places.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and there was people that would notice how come your child is so well behaved, how come, you know, they're not having a fit about this, and they're so polite, they're making eye contact, they're saying, please, ma'am, yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, there was finally a waitress when we were in Chicago and she was young in her 20s and busy, busy place.
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  SPEAKER_02: Lucy was, I think, three and a half, maybe just turned four at the time.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she's busy coloring, you know, on whatever they gave, little crayons, little activity.
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  SPEAKER_02: And the the waitress would come up and she'd say, Well, does she want anything?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I turned to Lucy, I said, Well, Lucy, do you want to order?
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  SPEAKER_02: And Lucy looked up with a big smile on her face.
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  SPEAKER_02: Because I've trained my children, you know, even if you're having a bad day, the waitress, anyone helping you doesn't need to be part of that.
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  SPEAKER_02: You can smile at them.
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  SPEAKER_02: They don't need your weight.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're already, you know, got enough going on.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they know to smile.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so Lucy would look up and smile and say, Oh, yes, ma'am, can I have this, please?
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  SPEAKER_02: And that, and oh, do you have this?
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  SPEAKER_02: And the lady was just amazed.
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  SPEAKER_02: And she kept doing these double takes at us, and she finally came back to the table and she said, I have to ask.
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  SPEAKER_02: She said, I've been doing this for years, and I have never seen a child not have a temper tantrum, not have a screen, be as polite.
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  SPEAKER_02: She says, Please tell me you have a blog or something so that when I have children, I know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_02: And when we left, my husband said, How many people need to say this before you finally, you know, do something?
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that was, I think, the springboard.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love hearing that.
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  SPEAKER_03: So um, one of the things I I want to point out too that you said that I especially love, you talked about uh stepping outside of all these boxes of you know expectations that that we put on our, I mean, on ourselves, of course, but on our children.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it really struck me when you said the you know recommended age for the card game, or I'm sorry, if it I think it was a card game uh or board game.
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  SPEAKER_03: There were many things, but yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you looked at it and you're like, nah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And you know, it's funny, we don't realize how much we we allow ourselves to be put in these boxes like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that is, I think to me, one of those great moments where you're like, no, let's let's give the child an opportunity to to flourish, to grow, to do more than what's expected of them.
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  SPEAKER_03: So I love that you pointed that out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, I and you know, and every child truly does learn differently.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, my um my stepson Anderson, he's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's 15.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, he was born with cerebral palsy.
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  SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't necessarily know it um meeting him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, however, as you get to know him more, you'd realize it he definitely takes a different path to get from point A to point B.
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  SPEAKER_02: So for him, some of those, you know, things, um like when when we were concerned at one point, because Lucy could do things very quickly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um at age two, she could do 200-piece puzzles.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Anderson, that was definitely not in his forte.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like that was a big struggle for him.
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  SPEAKER_02: And they're eight years apart.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so we were a little concerned that, you know, he might start to feel frustrated by her ease of success academically.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but this is where it's so important to find the light that God put in your child.
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  SPEAKER_02: It is not the same light, you know, in every in every child.
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  SPEAKER_02: Where it might be easy for Lucy to do something, she struggles greatly at a challenge.
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  SPEAKER_02: She's not used to being challenged.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so when there is a challenge, we have to learn how to deal with that gracefully.
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  SPEAKER_02: Anderson has done nothing but have challenges academically in his life.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he knows already how to have grit and persevere, and because he's expecting the challenge.
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  SPEAKER_02: But Anderson's um amazing light is that he has never once let Lucy's um abilities outshine him.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's always praised her, he has always told her that she's amazing for what she can do.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I've pointed out this is so important as a parent.
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  SPEAKER_02: When you notice those things, point that out.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I told Anderson, I'm like, Anderson, that is your light, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: There are so many adults who cannot do what you're doing.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, they feel like if they're not the best, then they have to diminish the person who is the best to feel better about themselves.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you don't do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And that is a gift, you know, that is going to take you far.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, I again, he maybe isn't academically, you know, there, but he's gifted in so many other things.
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  SPEAKER_02: And sure, so many people put so much weight on the academic gifts that they forget there's so many other things.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you think that um as a society we put too much weight also on sameness, like e you know, equality of outcome?
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, everybody should um be at the same level.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like they work so I feel like we work so hard to, especially in like multi-children families, uh households, you know, that everybody is the same, same, same, same, same, gets the same, treated the same.
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  SPEAKER_03: And it's like a badge of, you know, pride, like, oh, we treat them all the same.
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  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, to to what you're saying, like they're they're very different.
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  SPEAKER_03: What motivates them is different, the way that they learn is different.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, do you think we put too much emphasis on the sameness?
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  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think also too much weight on on success and not enough weight on who God is wanting them to be.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I hope that when someone, if if anything, when someone, if someone reads my book when they close it, that they that they are able to see their life a little bit differently and maybe that they might see some some things that they are weaknesses in themselves, or maybe in their child that they see that way, that they can maybe see it as a strength.
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  SPEAKER_02: But also, you know, instead of asking how can I make my kids successful, maybe ask the question instead, who who is God wanting my child to be?
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  SPEAKER_02: And how can I help them be more of that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Because really, that I mean, that's all that matters.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's all that matters is what does God want us to be and be more of that?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, shine that light that He put in us somehow.
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  SPEAKER_03: And and hence raising light, right?
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, yes, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's so not about raising perfect children, but um, I have um the and as far as equality, my children, it's very funny.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have um I've told you I share with my children when we go to a restaurant, I want you to light up like a light bulb.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if it's fake, I don't care what kind of a bad day you're having.
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  SPEAKER_02: I want you to always be kind to people that are serving us and helping us.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so my my son has a bit of a time, we call it his robot voice, where he just gets a straight face, flat face, and he just kind of talks with no um, no tone inflection.
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  SPEAKER_02: We were at a restaurant and the he's doing this, you know, he just straight face orders his food, and I was like, oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, how many times do we need to go over this?
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  SPEAKER_02: And then they get to Lucy, and Lucy lights up like a Christmas tree and oh, almost too animated, you know.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, I have this and she said this one particular occasion, do you have those rolls?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: I really love these rolls that you have.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so she the waitress brought a couple out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, at the end of the meal, she brought out an entire giant to go basket full of these fresh-made rolls just for Lucy.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Anderson said, Well, that's not fair.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, It's actually extremely fair.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: What's not fair is that you didn't do what I asked you to begin with.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm telling you, buddy, you do that, look what you can get a basket of rolls.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, right, exactly.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, it's and it's such a valuable lesson.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and you know, I found another way to teach that with my children is this.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_02: I I there was an occasion Anderson was working out downstairs, and I had told Lucy that she'd be able to do something with him.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what it was when he was done working out.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he was less than thrilled with whatever it was.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: And so Lucy was kind of bummed and she came upstairs and she was kind of grumpy, and then she's brushing her teeth, kind of grumpy, and now I've got to help and deal with it.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, hang on a second.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_02: I went downstairs and I said, Okay, what happened?
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: And Anderson, you shared what happened.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: I said, Anderson, let me explain how in how unbelievably powerful you are.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, and Lucy, this is ghost for you too.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_02: I said, let's just play this out now.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: You had this moment where you shared kind of a negative energy with Lucy about something.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: She was really excited, and you just kind of burst her bubble.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: So now she came upstairs and she's brushing her teeth terribly.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Now I have to step in and she doesn't like that when I have to do that.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_02: So now she's grumpy about this.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Now we're gonna go homeschool, both of us not in the best of moods.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_02: She's probably gonna lose privileges from having a bad attitude during homeschooling.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then you're gonna come up, and I'm probably not gonna be short with you because I'm annoyed with this whole situation.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: Dad's gonna come home to a home full of grumpy people.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: And do you see how everything snowballed?
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, now let's just play that whole thing back out.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: But you shared in the joy with your sister.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Your sister comes down, she's so excited, and now you respond with joy.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: And she comes up, brushes her teeth like a superstar because she's so excited.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_02: She's gonna now homeschool like a superstar because she knows after the end she's gonna do something so fun with you.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: Everything goes great.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: You come up.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna give you guys probably extra rewards because it's like the most amazing day ever.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_02: Dad's gonna come home to a home full of happiness and loving family.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: I said, and that's all on you.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: Like you literally made that ripple effect, one way or another.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, You guys, you might see someone walking down the street, just smile and say, you know, good afternoon.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: You might totally change their day because you notice them.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so we're trying to impress that upon them, you know, right now and ourselves as well.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's funny, I was gonna say, you know, if you're really fortunate, you understand that as an adult, that that's that's the way things work.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, and if you do understand that, you may as an adult take that understanding for granted, but kids don't automatically know that.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: So to give that in such a clear uh explanation, a clear visual picture of the the two paths uh a situation can go in.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because that's one of the things we we hope to teach our kids all the time, that their actions have consequences.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: And and, you know, a lot of times, listen, parents are exhausted, they're overworked, they're stressed, all of the things, all of the factors.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: And you're doing this day in and day out, you know, parenting, working, it's just, you know, rinse, repeat.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and we forget that it's it is more than just saying your actions are gonna have consequences and then go make dinner, you know, or whatever it is.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, to give such clear examples of how that works, I think is so, so valuable and it's such a great reminder.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_03: So I love that you're you do that with your book.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, that you you take people through, and correct me if I'm wrong anyway, here.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: So you you take you take everyone through navigating life, these experiences, these challenges yourself, but you're also offering these tools and these options to make it better, right?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_02: For lack of better words.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: They're just simple, and you know, I think we put too much pressure on that it might be too hard, but there's also a a little bit too where I think that people, and I I mean no offense, but I think a lot of parents think they're not supposed to um they they think it it shouldn't be hard.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: And it is hard to be a parent.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: There is a lot of work involved.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but a lot of you know, especially with this, oh my gosh, the stuff with um the Lindsay Clancy thing going on right now.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you can handle being a mom.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you can do it.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: And um, it is not too difficult.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you are stronger than you realize, and your life isn't meant to just go to the salon and get your nails done and just be, you know, prim and uh pampered all the time.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: You are meant to do the hard things with your children.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I think too many parents just feel like they're, I don't know, the society, what it is that has made us feel like we're not supposed to um put in an effort.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: You do have to put in an effort, but oh my goodness, it pays off.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: I can get in the car and my children don't watch anything unless we're doing a big hike across the state to see, you know, family or something.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: I'll let them watch a movie then.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I, you know, we every errand, every anything, there are no screens.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_02: And to be able to have my car full of children who are at peace and can be peaceful with boredom, can be peaceful at just looking out the window, that is such a gift.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: But it takes time to get there, but you just need to be intentional.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's I think the trap that a lot of a lot of parents get stuck in is they think they're supposed to be perfect, um, or or they fail.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: And um and on the flip side, they also think they need to give their kids Disney World or fail.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, my kids just need me, they need me present, they need me to be able to answer questions and to Just be there and sit with them and do life with them.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, and my kids do not need Disney.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: They need to learn, you know, because truly what I think a lot of parents unfortunately do is they they try to make their kids happy, but happiness is a circumstance.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_02: It is not a choice.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_02: That is something that literally just happens to you.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that that's where the word happiness comes from is happens.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: I could be just pulling this out of who knows where, but um I like it though.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: But it makes sense.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: But it truly is just something that happens to you.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, if you have to provide all of these occurrences that create happiness in your child, first of all, that's overwhelming for you.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Second of all, what a horrible setup for life.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: That is not how life is.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_02: What your children need to do is find joy.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: They need to find joy.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_02: Joy is a choice.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, when we're sitting down at dinner and my kids don't want to eat what's on their on their plate, I am not going to offer them anything else.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: Your choices are you may eat this, it's nourishing, it's good, it's healthy, it's not crazy spicy.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: I know you can digest it, you know, it's not gross.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you can be grateful for it, or you can be hungry.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: That those are your choices.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, so I'm not going to create the Disney effect where, okay, do you want this?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want this?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want this?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna eat what we're gonna eat.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, and also how about you tell me what you are grateful for?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe you're not happy with this particular, but let's let's back up and find find, you know, get back in the right mindset of being grateful.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: And anytime my kids or myself or any of us get stuck in this, you know, complaining about something trap, we've really been intentionally trying to stop.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: And okay, let's name three things we're grateful for.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_02: That in the circumstance, we this is good.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: And you can always find something, and it totally changes your mindset, it changes um your view on what's going on.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and that's been a a big gift for kids.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I think just parents need to do so much more of that, you know.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_02: Don't just find joy.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Find joy.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I agree completely.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely do.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, talk to me a little bit.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: I I know that your story is your faith is woven throughout your story and your life.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um, talk to me to us uh about the impact your faith has had in facing the challenges that you've faced with your own struggles with dyslexia, um, and with your children's struggles with their healthcare needs.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that is a that is a great um question because what I have finally learned over the last couple of years, my my husband and I started three years ago reading the Bible through the whole year.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um, it's amazing because every year something new is revealed, um, different parts.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's like God's like, you're ready for this now.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Here's another piece, and um that you know that you can comprehend.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_02: But I um I have really learned to realize that anything negative in life, it's it's truly from the devil.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's truly Satan's work.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas a lot before I used to get caught up in why would God allow this.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I have really learned to go away from that.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's not about why God allows it.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's it's the devil.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: We're not in heaven right now.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this world is ruled by Satan to an extent.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: God has the final say, but what's amazing is that God always seems to take these weaknesses in ourselves and these scary, traumatic moments, and he redeems them.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like his way of, you know, showing that he still is in control, he still is in power, and he still got you.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, after writing this book, I we went through miscarriages, we went through all kinds of devastating things that in the moment you feel so hollow and so so lost.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I I hope that I can help women going through that, that God has got you.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: He has got a plan.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: That was the devil, that was Satan, but God will redeem it.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: And in fact, right now, as we shared before this, um excited for you to share this.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_02: We are we are literally going through um another thing that has truly just tested our faith.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we found out about two months ago that um after the routine visit at the doctor with my um daughter, we found out that my daughter has scoliosis.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_02: And can I share that image of what we saw?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um this is what the image that we got.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: And you can imagine as a parent um seeing your daughter's back bent and contorted in that way.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: It was absolutely devastating.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that first 24 hours, um, my husband and I, we were wrecked.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we were scared.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: I immediately went into strong mode.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, I can't cry, I can't anything, I need to be strong.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even want to tell Lucy about it yet.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: I knew I needed to be strong to tell her about it.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: My husband was, you know, questioning God, you know, questioning this, and it was it was very hard.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_02: We couldn't even be there for each other because we were both on such thin ice with it.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but God, this is where when you really start intentionally looking for miracles, it's amazing.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_02: So before we found out about her scoliosis, two weeks prior, God had already had us set up meetings with special people that would help us.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_02: And they were set up for the next day that we found out.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: So two weeks prior, my husband had an appointment set up for the day after we found out, and I did as well with Lucy's godmother.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_02: And what was so beautiful is both of those people were God-fearing people.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: The person my husband met with helped him realize this is not God's doing.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you can do this.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: This is, you know, and gave my husband strength and um really helped him take that anger away that he had.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: And for me, I was able to just break down, you know, and finally cry with someone about it.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was scared to do that with my husband because I didn't want to crumble him even further.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so every we we ended up having to get Lucy a brace that she has to wear every night.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: And oh, those first nights putting that on, it was absolutely heartbreaking.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because it hurt, it was uncomfortable, and um, to have to just force this thing on and just hold her through the night.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's all we did for the first couple of nights.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: But every night, um, I'm I'm not one to memorize Bible verses very well.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: My daughter will tell you, I can remember the verse, I just can't remember where it came from.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I can relate.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I've got seared into my mind now.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's Isaiah 45, verse 2, and we've been praying it every night, a version of it.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: And it says, And I will go before you and make your crooked path straight.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_02: So we've been praying this every night that he'll straighten out my girl's back.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: And and also we've prayed that if you don't, that you help us understand why, and that we will also be obedient to that too.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the brace, the intention of the brace is um to prevent her from going to more than 40 degrees.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, because that's when surgery and things have to, you know, be the only solution.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then the hope is that it keeps her at it was at a 26 degree curve, that upper one was.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: It is not to improve it.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: There is no cure for this.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so the doctor was very clear with us this isn't going to fix the um the bend, it's just going to uh hopefully keep it from getting worse.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_02: And um, so one uh one week ago we went in for her uh one-month checkup.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Look at her.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: My goodness, look at that.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: That that is a dramatic difference.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a dramatic difference that was not supposed to happen, guys.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: That was not supposed to happen.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: And the medical community community, they won't say it's a miracle.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: They just say, you know, all kids are different and you know, this, that, and the other thing.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, but it's a miracle.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I I I don't even think I told my daughter is so funny.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: So after seeing this and we shared this with her, she said, So does this mean I don't have to wear that that silly uh back brace anymore?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, no, honey, we're we're gonna still work with the medical community and God, yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna still wear it, you know.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_02: She said, Well, how much longer?
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_02: And we said, Well, they said, you know, throughout your growth, your biggest growing until you're 12.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_02: So five to seven years.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_02: She said, You mean I have to wear this thing for the rest of my single-digit life?
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, she's so funny.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, you know, even that alone, I mean, the resiliency of a child is just incredible to me that they can take something.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_03: Let's face it, if that was us in our adulthood and that's what we were faced with, there's so many adults that would not handle that in the way that she's handling it, which of course is not to say that she doesn't have moments.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, she's a human, she's a human.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, of course she's gonna have strong feelings about it, and rightly so.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, just to your absolutely correct point, um, miracles happen, man.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: And and you just keep praying.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: And and by the way, I I love the way that you pray.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, so many people get a little lost in prayer, almost uh, you know, treating it like they're making wishes on a genie lamp, right?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I I love that you said, you know, basically, you know, your will, whatever your will is, we're gonna accept it and we're gonna work with it and we're gonna go forward with it.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: And and I I think that's such a beautiful part to remember about when you pray.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, pray for the strength to to deal with the no, you know, if it's gonna be no, if the answer is no, if the the prayer doesn't, you know, get answered in the way that you think it will, um, he's he is working all things for the good of those who love him.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: And uh I I just think uh uh your story is just so amazing, it's empowering, it's so uplifting, and it's relatable.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: And I think those are the elements that we just need.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uh we need them all the time, but especially right now with such an incredibly chaotic world.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: This this sounds to me almost like uh an oasis, like in the in the storm of all of the worldly opinions and and perspectives and ideas uh that that just bombard um young families and growing families.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and so I I love that you were called really to to write this book and share your story.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: So I thank you on behalf of everyone that's gonna read it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you so much.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and what you said too about prayers, so many people, you're so right, they think that an answered prayer is a yes.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: And an answered prayer is not always a yes, it could be a no.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and this is what I I hope the the journey with um my book, that it helps people realize that sometimes that no is the best answer you could have gotten.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and God knows the so if you just sit back and trust, and that's why even in these prayers with my children, I I you know said, and if you choose not to, that's okay too.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: Just help us to understand what we need to do to honor that then and to um, you know, shine your light, you know, with this.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: So um, yeah.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I actually I have a another project that I have coming up.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm um I'm writing a devotional book that is is gonna be, I think I'm going to um say raising light together.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_02: So whereas my memoir, it was kind of me discovering how to find these miracles, um, you know, in life and how I kind of was able to look back and see, I mean, so clear as day, how God has worked so beautifully in in shaping my life and other people's too.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: There is nothing, I am not more special.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a child of God, just like everyone else is.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: When you start looking in your life, it's amazing how He is so involved.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but the devotional, I want it to be more about the day-to-day, like really searching for it, not waiting for years to reflect it back.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: But, you know, and that's helped me in this moment, you know, even with seeing like Lucy's scoliosis, yeah, uh, to not crumble, to not fall.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we did, I get we did that first day.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: We're like human, you know, it it that's the reality of things.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_02: But to have our our faith and to remember Jesus and what he did for us and that he's always here to have that strength to, okay, how do we do this and serve God?
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's all that matters.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so it's it's been cool.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_02: So the devotional, I'm hoping I'm finding ways to connect stories, to see these miracles that I'm I'm hoping help moms and parents see just the simplest thing, how miraculous it can be.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's so wonderful.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so excited for that to come out.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: That's going to be just such a beautiful addition to what you're building here.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I love it.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: If you could leave parents with one thing you've learned about trusting God with our children, what would it be?
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, God already put a light in your children.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it is not our job to manufacture something there.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: It is just our job to notice it and nurture it and protect it.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the world will want to take that away.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so you need to be fierce and protect it.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you need to also point it out to your children and um teach them to shine that light and teach them to be bold with it.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think that's what I would love for people to get out of this book, just to raise your child to shine the light God put in in them.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_03: Beautiful.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're gonna get that out of this book and so, so much more.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Lindsay, I thank you so much for coming on and sharing your story, sharing your book, sharing your children with us and and their stories.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: Um, just absolutely phenomenal.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: Could you just uh one last thing, tell everyone where they can find your book and uh um website also?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, website also.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, uh raisinglightmama.com.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd love for you to check that out.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: I have blogs on there, personal stories, some funny, some different.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_02: I have um I'm on Facebook as well, Raising Light Mama and Instagram, um, getting on TikTok and um also on Amazon.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's raising light.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: You can you can find it at the book on Amazon um in most bookstores.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's Barnes and Noble, wherever you can find it online um here too.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: So awesome.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: And of course, guys, as always, I will put those links in the show notes so you'll be able to click right on them and go right to it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I hope that you will.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think there's so much to be gained from this and and enjoyed from it and uh just spiritually enriched from it as well.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: So, Lindsay, I thank you again for coming on the show today.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_03: Such a blessing.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate it so much.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_03: Anytime, anytime.
• 35:51
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• 35:54
  SPEAKER_03: Take care.
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