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BTS: Arirang Extravaganza: Comeback Live and BTS The Return Documentary · I Was Thinking…

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Welcome beautiful people around the world it's your house Simone
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and welcome back to I was thinking so as you can tell by
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the title this is this is going to be abts event Y'all should
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know me by now. I am an army.
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This ain't your thing. Just to stop listening right
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now, but I'm calling it the BTS Adirang extravaganza.
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Fancy, right? So because there's just so much
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with this comeback. We've waited so long for BTS to
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come back. I am dividing this up into two
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parts. So this is going to be Part 1
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where we just mainly focus about the comeback live that they did
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and Seoul as well as the documentary that just dropped on
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Netflix on March 27th. But I am not alone and talking
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about this. First I would like to introduce
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Juice. She's basically my Co host now.
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My Co host, my second Co host. Yes, and you've heard her voice
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before. It is the lovely Gina.
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Everyone. And we also have another special
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guest, first time being on here. If you have a TikTok, you may
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have seen her Tik Toks, you know, circling around whether
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she's giving very philosophical, you know, insight to BTS or the
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fandom, as well as her very lovely sexy British accent
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joining us all the way from the UK.
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It is. Shannon, hello.
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And I need to make sure I put on said sexy British accent for
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everybody, obviously. I love your voice.
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OK, I just want to say that thank you and I still don't know
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how to pronounce your username. Is it schnooon?
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Schnooon. Schnooon.
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Schnooon would just make noises at my general direction.
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I'll, I'll, I'll listen. I'll, I'll perk up.
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OK, yeah. So like if you have a TikTok, if
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you've seen the username Schnooon, then that is Shannon.
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Oh, yes, thank you for joining us.
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How are you doing today? I'm good.
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It's a bit later in the day for me, it's my day is just winding
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down so but I'm very good on this, this lovely Sunday.
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Good, good. How about you, Gina?
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How are you doing today? Actually pretty decent.
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I actually slept pretty well. Sometimes on the weekends it's
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hard to get sleep for me, but I actually woke up and I'm like,
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I'm actually awake. I need my coffee still but my
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brain was actually functioning so I actually it's not been too
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bad. Good.
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I'm glad to hear that. I'm still for some reason
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recovering because I guess I'm just getting old.
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Friday night I did actually go see twice in Orlando.
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They came to Florida for the first time, so it was really
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good. It was a lot different too.
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They're my first girl group I ever saw and it was different
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because you know, some of the members are injured, so instead
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of all nine, it was only 7. But I had a fun time.
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They put on a great show and it was also good too because I got
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to experience a 360 stage before BTS.
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I still I've never experienced Yeah.
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It's, it's interesting, obviously the stage setup is
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different than theirs and it's in our arena.
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So I'm curious of what it's going to look like in a stadium.
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But it's, it's a lot. I'm just letting you know right
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now. It's a lot to focus on because
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there's sometimes where the members are like in the middle
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of the stage and then they had two sides of extended stages.
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So sometimes some of them would be in the middle, but like
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others would be on the extended side.
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And then like if they're in the middle, their dancers may come
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out for like 1 of the like more, well, more known numbers.
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And so like, do you folks focus on the dancers?
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Do you focus on them? Do you focus on the screen if
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their backs is towards you? Because they do try their best
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to like make sure they're facing like the whole arena.
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But there is sometimes you know their back is going to be to
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you. So like if you look at the
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screen, that's where the camera is directing like the members
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face. It was a lie.
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Over simulation, very overstimulating I.
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Cannot imagine what it's going to be like for BTS and I'm
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actually going to be seeing them when this episode comes out this
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month. I can't believe that.
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I know. Are we all excited?
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Are we ready? I I'm not ready.
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I feel excited. I think I'm just not ready
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because I don't even know what to expect.
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And luckily we do get the soul live like when they're when they
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do the first part of their tour. But even then, I think it's so
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different when you see it and you're absorbing it and then
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live seeing it and absorbing it. Because we can have quote
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spoilers by just watching it, but until you're in that
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stadium, you don't really know what it's going to feel like.
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Yeah, I feel like I just don't have a conception that it's
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actually like happening and that I'm going to see them and that
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they're coming here because it's just been like, it's my first
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time ever seeing them as a group.
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Like, the only and the only other person I've seen before is
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Gin. And that was last year.
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And even then, like on the day that I was rocking up there,
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like traveling all the way to London Sea, I was just like, and
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then actually like, is this happening?
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And then he thought he was on stage and it was.
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We had a pretty good view. Like I could see that it was
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him. But even then I was like, huh,
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like it was just like, that's a member that's that's in front of
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my front of my face. And and yeah, I don't know what
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it's. I think even when I see it, the
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only thing that really it started to thinking was when
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actually speaking the 360 stages, when I saw some of the
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choreo for some of their performances in this last
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comeback and they were doing a 360 design.
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I was like, oh, that's what it's going to look like.
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But even then, I haven't been able to like put together that
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they're going to do that in front of my eyeballs.
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It's. Just yeah, it's really daunting
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to think about because we have never seen them do a 360 stage.
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They've always just had an end stage and even the members doing
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their solos didn't even do touch a 360.
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They had extended stages that you could see but like all
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around, but like not something with an open back.
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And I think that's going to be definitely more over stimulating
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than we think. So if that was, you know,
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definitely a lot to take in. I can't imagine seven men doing
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high speed dancing and doing choreo and then with all of them
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like just shooting out from the center, just going different
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directions like it's going to be.
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And they don't stand still. None of them stand I'll when
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they perform. Yeah.
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So it's going to be like releasing the zoo animals like
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they're just going to be. Everywhere.
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Yeah, they're going to be pending on all sides by all of
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us. Like there's no like down in
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time, but let me just like, hide at the edge of the stage because
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yeah, they're they've got to be on it.
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But yeah, it's just, yeah, it's gonna be so it's gonna be so
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good. It's gonna be fun.
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Well Speaking of Shannon only seeing Jen and not all 7 before
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until this upcoming tour, how actually did you get into BTS?
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And we know who your biases is, but let the audience know who
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your biases are, because you have more than one.
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I do, I do. I'm I'm greedy.
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I'm very I've I've I have a double, I have a double bias and
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I have double bias records. So I am double.
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I double bias both Nam Jin and Jimin.
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So mini money and I got into BTS.
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So it was like a really, it was kind of a weird route really
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because it wasn't my first understanding of K pop when I'd
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been in school, which was back in 2011, my friend who'd it was
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at the dawn of YouTube and my friend had known about this.
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She she kind of introduced us to this group that go, this is a
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group, they're from Korea, they're called shiny.
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And we just had this kind of strange like fascination with
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seeing like a music video that was just different and a group
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that was different in a different language.
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So we kind of in like the really early days of what we
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understood. We kind of stand shiny, but it
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was a really like in it was just it was a completely different
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relationship because like fandom, it was nowhere near what
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it is now like, and it's nowhere near as kind of known and
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fangirl like K pop standing is just was completely different.
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So we didn't really know there was like a community to connect
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to. We just knew that this YouTube
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channel that was for shiny would occasionally come up with music
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videos and like, oh, another one.
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Let's watch that one. And then Fast forward to when I
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was so then school ended, did uni came out, uni came into the
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the workplace and we were randomly striking up a
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conversation in the office about, I think we were talking
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about like Japanese music. We were talking about Vocaloid,
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We were talking about things. And then from there we were
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like, Oh yeah, what about K pop? I heard K pop is a thing.
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And I was like, Oh yeah, I used to like stand.
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I'm not still didn't know the word stand back then.
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I was like, Oh yeah, I used to watch this group called Shiny.
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And then and then I like later that evening I was like, yeah,
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like K pop. Like what is who are the latest
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in K pop? And it was as simple.
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It was going on YouTube and typing in the the letters BTS on
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on YouTube. And the first thing that came up
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at the top of the search results was blood, sweat and tears.
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And so I watched that and honestly, like people talk about
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the rabbit hole and I know a lot of people like it's, it's sort
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of maybe kind of exaggerated, but it did genuinely abundantly
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feeling of I was like sinking physically into something like I
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was like overcome with this excitement because I was like,
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first of all, this is not what I expected.
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So it was all the feeling of my expectations have been
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completely frown, but also this was exciting.
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This was cinematic, this was artistic, this was literary, was
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based on a novel. It was the lyrics were not
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wonderful, the beat was not what I everything was completely
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different. And it was something that I was
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like, I need to know where this goes.
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I need to know where it came from, I need to know where it's
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going. I need to know as much as
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possible. And it was just, it was a
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straight, it was a straight Cliff dive basically for me.
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And that was in 2018. So at the towards the end, so
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unfortunately, speak yourself. I just wrapped when I missed my
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opportunity. And then obviously we didn't get
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Mod 7. That would have been my first.
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My first tour didn't happen for any of us, but yeah, so it's
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been, it'll be nearly seven years just before before I
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actually get to see them, which that bloody 7 again, just
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follows us everywhere. But it's just, yeah, it's just
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so great. OK.
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You who are your records then if.
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Oh, Oh yeah. So for my records.
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So yeah, Kobe and Yungi. So yeah.
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So I just I have all rap line. Just I mean, read into that what
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you will. People read the psychology of of
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by of biasing or being wrecked by all of rap line.
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But yeah, but I tend to my my biases.
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I always find follow a weird pattern.
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I tend to like the rapper Daddy and then the dance.
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The dance prints across most, most K pop groups.
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They fall into those two categories.
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So you know, I am I am what I am.
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Listen same because we both share one of the biases.
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Namjin, that's my man. That's who got me in.
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Y'all can go back and listen if you're new to the podcast of how
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we got into K pop all the way back in 2021 of the first like 4
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episodes because my friend Macy was showing me because she was
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into them before I was and like idle.
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I'm not going to lie I was just very confused.
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There was just a lot of bright colors.
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I didn't know what to focus on as far as the lyrics or like you
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know them dancing up like a lots going on.
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Then she showed me mic drop. I was like OK mic drop that's
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more my speed. And then all of a sudden you
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just get this blonde dude popping off this ambulance
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talking about baby watch your mouth.
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I'm like, who is this Macy? Who is, who is this one?
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Not to be weird like that, but who is this rapping at me
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aggressively like that? And then you know what?
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The rest is just history. So.
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I know I when I see the two of you I always think nom Jean
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first like I always do. Even though Shannon is dual
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biased, I always think of nom Jean first.
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I agree. I think that you are very both
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nom Jean forward. I mean, I would say, I was going
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to say, I would say that I get like I got I feel like I'm more
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like foam at the mouth Phenom Gin a lot more.
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So it's a lot more in people's faces.
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And then Jim and I'm just like, like I just they both make me
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feel very soft inside. But with Jim and it's very like,
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yeah, it's a lot more like I feel like it's a very strong
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emotional attachment to Jimin. Like Jimin is almost like the
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emotion. And then not to say that and
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either of them miss this, but for me, it's like emotion first
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for Jimin, just like there's like love and affection.
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And then it's just for just Ferrell.
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Ferrell foaming at the mouth. I.
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Think you would? Appreciate.
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You would appreciate that. I feel he doesn't get enough of
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that, so I feel like he would appreciate that.
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Absolutely. Yes.
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Yeah, and also too, because when I first started out, I mean,
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Hobie was my bias wrecker for the same reason.
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Just the dancing, when I first saw him dancing mainly, I think
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it was Boy Meets Evil was what got me to really start paying
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attention to him when I discovered that video.
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And now I just bias, you know, rap line and then like vocal
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line. It's just like all my bias
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records. But like, you know, Nom Junior,
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she's kind of like the leader in the bias line of rap line.
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It's it. Is always funny because in my
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story, Jimin was my gateway bias.
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That's who brought me into ETS. But then I ended up falling in
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love with Hobie and then it's been Hobie forevermore.
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Like I can't. He stalks in my sleep at this
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point like he's my everything. Like that man doesn't even know
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like that. I would literally just like I
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would sit there and do anything he asked at this point.
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Yeah, I mean, Jimmy was my Jimmy was my gateway, and he has
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obviously stayed one of my biases.
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And then Nam Chen came and I'm thinking late ish actually, like
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not like, I want to say like it was further into 2020.
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I think it was around when I was like, really, because I went
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like chronological kind of starting with I kind of went,
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you know, it was like love yourself forward.
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And then I went back and then I kind of listened up to this.
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I went like a weird circular thing.
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And then it and then I started doing the soda project.
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And as soon as I started delving into mono, that was like, oh,
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this man is is this man is for me, this man is perfection.
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And this man is like speaking to my soul.
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I was like, yeah, absolutely damn right.
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So yeah, it's just yeah. And I love the lower dynamic
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together. So actually it just, it felt
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like it fits so nicely. I feel like too, like when I'm
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thinking about when I got into BTS and I think of this
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comeback, I think that this is my actual first official
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comeback. Like because I don't look at
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like the Anthology album as a comeback.
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I for me, for me, it was just like an album they released in
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between. Yes, there were new songs, but
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this for me is my actual official comeback because I came
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in the middle of the pandemic. Like, it's at the end of like
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butter, basically. I was in butter, but like, I had
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found Dynamite and that was the song I had locked into from
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their English stuff, even though Paul had been telling me about
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them. So this comeback is actually my
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first one. That's like all the promo and
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stuff, which is wild to me to think about, Yeah.
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And I guess like, yeah, I guess thinking about it like it kind
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of in a weird way, sort of, I don't know, like, because I we
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did get like I did get like the fullness of the Mod 7 comeback
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in the run up to it. But obviously the unpredictable
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factor was the album comes out, you have the celebration, then
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it's like going to be the extenuation of the comeback and
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then the tour. And then COVID hit.
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Like the week that we went into lockdown in the UK was the week
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I was readying to get my Mod 7 ticket.
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So I was like, it was fully in and then it was just completely
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upended. So even, you know, we got like
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dynamite and butter and like PTD and like you said, proof and
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everything like that. And those were kind of
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comebacks. And obviously all the solo
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projects, like the first Yeah, like the full, I want to say
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like unbridled uninterrupted comeback has been this.
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And I think that's what feels so special to everyone because
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it's, it's them in their most free form where they haven't got
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the worry of pandemic, of things being cancelled, of having to
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rearrange plans, but also the looming military service of
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whatever we start. We're going to have to somehow
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cut, cut off at some point because we have to go to the
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military. Well, they don't have that
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anymore. They are, they can, they can
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look forward to the next few years and lay down plans for the
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long term. And it's just, oh, I'm so
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excited for them and myself as well.
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And all of us, I'm just excited. Yeah.
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So I feel like this is our comeback.
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Yeah, I mean, I know it it is the comeback, but also too let's
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not forget it. I know it's during, you know,
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looming military pandemic, all that.
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Let's also not forget BI feel like a lot of people still
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forget B. And I'm going to mention that
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when we start talking about the documentary on some things.
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But yeah. No, and I wish I wish I had been
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with B like I came in right after all that like promo was
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done. The only thing that they were
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doing was when I came in was like butter.
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Like all I heard was butter everywhere and I'm like, no,
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you're right. People do forget about BB came
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before butter. Yes, yeah, OK, butter, butter
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was 20/20/20 and then yeah, B was yeah, butter was 2021.
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But yeah, you're right. But to be honest, the reason why
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I even like missed out butter is because to be I'm not even
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butter B too many BS I I like just because pandemic locked
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down, I scrubbed a lot of 2020 from my brain like it's still
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really hard for me to report. And I think that's the case for
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a lot of people. And like it was, but actually, I
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think like when you look at B and the direction they took that
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like the self produced direction and how they sort of did things
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a bit differently. I remember with, with B with the
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comeback, that was the first time that we didn't get a
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comeback map. And that was something that we'd
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been used to. I'd heard of being, you know, we
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got it for MOT 7 and we got it for the, the other rollouts of
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things that happened then. And then all of a sudden it felt
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like we were like naked and afraid because we didn't have
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anything like that. And then look what we've got
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for, for, for Ararang. We we had nothing either.
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So almost like there's certain that I think they were planting
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and experimenting with him, B, that I think we've seen come to
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fruition here, which is just, yes, I don't think you could
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have had one without the other. But I will say too, what was
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different with BI think it's because they couldn't do a lot
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of like promotions and because of lockdown, they kind of like
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with this new one right now with audio wrong.
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They did a lot of like, you know, behind the scene things
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they were going on, like YouTube Live, which was their first.
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Like almost all the time, you know, they were sharing, like
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behind the scene. That's when Hobie accidentally
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spoiled disease. Yeah.
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When he was on YouTube live not realizing we could hear it.
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Yeah, that man, I'm sorry. He just unintentionally
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sometimes just brings out the memes because like I, I could
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clearly remember, I don't even have to watch it, but I can
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remember when like one of the staff like was knocking on his
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door profusely. He had to go to the door.
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He just kept going like we're just going back to the show.
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He's like, oh shit, oh shit. He's like, we're just going to
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pretend nothing happened, guys. Yeah, it's, oh, God bless them.
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Yeah, they did. They tried, they experimented.
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I remember they did that like, yeah, you had a lot of them
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doing like crafts and yeah. And they all tried differently.
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Yeah. We got some very iconic lives
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coming out of like the pandemic, which is lovely.
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So lovely of them. But yeah, it was yeah,
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definitely feel very grateful for like how much they did for
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us. But yeah, that was hilarious.
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Obigious to it had it would be home be wouldn't it?
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It would be him and just. I love that man to bits.
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He's just so great. I know me too.
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But yes, I do understand your point of like people probably
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forget it because we all try to just erase that time.
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Like I I don't know, I just feel like I lost some lives.
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I feel like I never grew up from when we went into the pandemic,
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which I was 23. So I feel like I'm always stuck
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to be like, mentally 23. Yeah.
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Yeah. So enough of that, though, let's
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get back to some exciting things.
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Let's talk about the comeback live that happened on March
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21st. So the day after this was
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actually live in Seoul right after the actual album dropped.
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And I cannot pronounce I have not been studying my career in a
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while. So it was in the Guang Han Moon
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Square, which is actually a very, like, busy area, very
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heavily, like, populated with like, not only tourist sites,
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but just I guess, like, I would think of it like the Times
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Square. I was told of New York.
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That's how that area is like. Yeah, yes.
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So I do know they have ran into like, you know, some issues when
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it came to like, you know, blocking off that whole area for
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this, the amount of people I'm not sure if they were expecting
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to happen and then regular people who don't really care
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about BTS, like, you know, how trying to remove maneuver around
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all that. So I mean, at the end, I think
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it worked out. It seemed pretty civil.
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I heard that they did a pretty good job, like cleaning up right
19:57
afterwards. And thankfully to Army that was
20:00
there didn't trash the place. So it made it easier for them.
20:04
So it all worked out guys. It all worked.
20:06
Out. I know, I know some people are
20:07
probably like you don't understand or whatever.
20:09
It's fine. I wasn't.
20:10
Yeah, but there's there's always, I think that side of
20:13
things where like you have the people that aren't interested
20:14
and they are like prioritizing, I've got to go to work.
20:17
This is causing a massive traffic jam.
20:18
This is really difficult. It's really inconvenient to me.
20:20
But then I also think, I think for the most part and, and
20:23
again, like I think the relationship of South Korea to
20:25
BTS has changed a lot over the years because I think they are
20:28
still very much a point of national pride.
20:30
And so I think for the most part, people didn't mind it.
20:34
And I think is ultimately like, even when they were doing those
20:36
big zoom out to like where even when we wanted to see them maybe
20:40
perform those massive zoom outs to the whole square and just how
20:43
much space they took up and these massive screens.
20:45
I think it was just one of the things it was like saying like a
20:47
lot of things, it's like, yeah, you're inconvenienced for a few
20:49
days, but look at look at the the scale and the scope and the
20:53
the everything with this. So this is not, this is not your
20:56
typical event. This is not just shutting
20:58
something off to be inconvenient for something minor.
21:00
This is like, this is there is a very significant event.
21:03
And you know, I just, yeah, some people obviously might have been
21:06
there being like, I don't care about BTS.
21:07
This is really annoying for me. But I think for those that had
21:09
some inkling of BTS's impact and how much this meant to a lot of
21:13
people, hopefully they were just, I have seen people being
21:15
like, it's fine, I'll get over it for a week.
21:18
But no, it was, it was so, so good, right?
21:21
Also, Shannon had brought up a really good point about, you
21:24
know, showing off the crowd and the buildings because if you
21:27
first watch this, like if you watched it live and I think the
21:30
replay like right afterwards, it's very, very different than
21:35
what's on Netflix now. I've watched this three times
21:38
and all three times I've watched it, it's been edited so much.
21:41
This last time is a lot better when I watched it last night.
21:44
So they do focus on the guys more focus on the dances.
21:48
They've add some like things that weren't there before.
21:51
So yeah, because I know that was like a huge complaint from a lot
21:54
of people, like watching it, especially fans.
21:56
It's like, why are you showing me the crowds reaction and the
21:59
building? What is it?
22:00
It was like some type of hotel. It was like Korean and hotel.
22:04
Yes, now I know where that building is.
22:08
Maybe I'll go visit if I have a chance.
22:10
Yeah, people have watched that as well.
22:12
People have memed it to be like, like wherever you are, I'll be
22:14
there. I'll be there.
22:15
I'll be there. It's just, yeah, It's just, it
22:16
was every time it zoomed out, I was like, there it is again.
22:19
Exactly. Yeah, but to be honest, I I kind
22:22
of didn't expect anything other than that because I know from
22:24
when I've done stuff in my job like it is like it's it's a part
22:29
of like do we have the shots set up in time?
22:31
So and you see it all the time. Like they'd rather film the
22:34
crowd and film like a wide shot. They definitely have something
22:37
to fill the space without just like a cameraman's just running
22:40
around and so it doesn't look a bit sloppy.
22:42
So I think it's like, you know, it's a few seconds and it does
22:44
take away from their performance.
22:45
But also like it was nice that once they knew that they had
22:48
that footage that they put together something much nicer
22:51
for rewatch value. But then I also think like, I've
22:53
got friends that I knew that didn't watch that.
22:56
Like they watched it not live live, but they kind of watched
22:58
that in between stream. And even though, like, for us,
23:01
we wanted to watch them perform and we weren't really bothered
23:03
about the crowd for people outside of the fandom, they were
23:07
like, I've got a few, a few people said to me like, oh, when
23:10
they panned out, it just reminded you this is insane.
23:13
And this is their impact. So actually, even like those
23:15
wide shots, they did serve a purpose in a way, which I
23:18
thought was, you know, Silver Linings and all.
23:20
But yeah, I much prefer, I much prefer the cleaned upstream
23:23
because we get to see them just owning that stage and just being
23:27
fine as hell. Listen, I.
23:30
Think too that like it reminds me a lot of when they shoot
23:35
festival footage performances. They pan out a lot as I know for
23:40
hope We palooza because I've watched that a million times.
23:43
Like the panning out I think is just a way for them to show like
23:47
how big of a deal. Yeah.
23:49
This, this is and the impact. And I think we're never going to
23:53
get away from it. I think it's a good reminder,
23:56
though. Like, I don't like that they
23:58
take a lot. I'm glad they edited it down.
24:00
I haven't watched. I watched it a few times, but I
24:02
haven't watched it, like recently, like the performance.
24:06
And I would be curious to see how they did change it up with
24:09
the performances because I think too, with BTS specifically,
24:13
they're dancers. And so people don't want to miss
24:17
one of the best parts of the show, which is watching the
24:19
seven of them dance. Yeah.
24:22
So I think that's one thing that if they're going to film more
24:26
things like this, that they're going to have to remember that
24:29
most K pop groups, because I've seen this with numerous groups
24:32
too, you gotta remember they dance.
24:34
And so you have to like, film that a lot.
24:38
Yeah, I can remember that was one of the things that people
24:40
were talking about around the same time as like the
24:42
inconvenience of them setting up was the fact that this was going
24:45
to be on Netflix. And you couldn't, you know, for
24:47
people that you were in South Korea or the people even
24:49
internationally, you couldn't tune into live television for
24:52
free, you know, to watch to brought to the broadcast of it,
24:55
which kind of not. I know some people said that
24:57
they didn't want to pay for a Netflix subscription just to
24:59
watch it, that, you know, OK, each to their own.
25:02
But then I also think that there was the argument that could
25:05
Netflix being this big kind of, you know, obviously Netflix has
25:08
got offices all around the world and teams all around the world.
25:10
But this was the first time of them not just doing a live a
25:13
live cable looking like a like a Korean music event, like you
25:16
said, with the dancing and the whole big performance thing.
25:18
But it was their first ever live music event they've ever done
25:20
before, because that's what they're sort of spending a lot
25:23
on these live events trying to get people tuning in.
25:25
So I'm trying to compete with YouTube in that sense has always
25:27
had a lot of the the monopoly on ongoing live and our tick tock
25:31
as well, obviously for like live streaming.
25:33
So it was an experiment for them and I was, I was interested to
25:36
see actually, would they be able to focus in on the most
25:39
important bits where it is so frenetic.
25:41
There is so much going on on a stage at once, like, and now
25:44
those transitions from one member to another and like, and
25:46
I think they actually did a really good job because people
25:48
were saying, Oh, I don't know if I they can do a good job because
25:51
at the very least with the Korean broadcasters, you know,
25:53
they're so used to doing the music shows and filming, you
25:57
know, K pop groups, There was never any doubt that they would
25:59
know how to set up the camera rigs and how to focus on.
26:02
Like I remember when they've had performances in the US and also
26:05
in the UK, like they don't know how to move that camera fast
26:08
enough to keep up with the members.
26:09
And this actually, I think on the whole, I think did a really
26:12
good job at like giving you the full scale of the event while
26:16
also showing just how amazingly choreographed the whole thing
26:21
was. And I think it just, yeah, I've
26:22
just heard from so many people that have never watched anything
26:25
like that before that tuned in just out of pure curiosity.
26:28
They were like, that took a lot of planning.
26:30
And particularly because it was out in the open.
26:32
It's not like they could get up on that stage and and rehearsed
26:35
that would have spoiled everything.
26:37
So that was really that was taking a risk of being able to
26:40
pull it off, having done it, you know, behind closed doors.
26:43
So I thought they just did a phenomenal effort and yeah,
26:45
props Netflix. I think for the most part, I
26:47
think I heard the stream held really strongly and it did.
26:49
It went off about hitch so. Not lit.
26:52
Bros it was crystal clear and I was so shocked.
26:55
I kept expecting it like OK, when's it going to crash?
26:58
I'm also traumatized for when they did the free concert in
27:01
Busan. I got my job and I got run BTS
27:05
and I was spending so much finding links to watch this
27:10
thing. It was.
27:11
A microwave they filmed it on, I swear to God.
27:15
It was like the, it was like we knew there was going to be run
27:17
BTS choreo. We heard those first notes.
27:20
I'm like, Oh my God, I was like, no.
27:23
No, I was so mad. Yeah.
27:25
So we all had that universal experience.
27:27
So, you know, it was a bonding experience for us of just like
27:29
being like, where's the stream? I need it.
27:31
Yeah. And then it was, I think it was
27:33
mostly over by the time. But you know, and then the
27:35
straight after, soon as they put that replay up, that's where we
27:38
went. Exactly, exactly.
27:40
But yes, when you get a chance to rewatch Aegeta, there's a lot
27:43
more things can't wait. A lot less of the crowds and
27:46
buildings, the voice and the music.
27:48
Like it's also a lot clearer. I feel like I can hear BTSA lot
27:52
more clear in this new version that they put out then the past
27:56
two and even like with body to body, I put an example, the
28:00
Korean women that they have like singing the Adi Dong part, like
28:03
I actually hear them a lot more. I feel like yes because I felt
28:06
like I could barely hear them the first time so.
28:09
Yeah, obviously they did this little sound engineering touch
28:12
up as well, which was which was very good of them.
28:14
Yes. So I am glad that they did that.
28:16
But yes, Speaking of that, that is actually the first song that
28:19
they opened with, which was Body's Body, which again, just
28:23
saw all of them. I had put a link, I always put
28:26
like links for references about the costume design.
28:30
I was going to like talk about it, but I didn't have enough
28:32
time and I can't access the link anymore.
28:34
So if you're able to, to read the inspiration about their
28:38
costume, if you can. So I know it's like based off,
28:40
you know, Korean history, because even when I was looking
28:43
at Taya, like his shirt kind of looks like some type of like
28:45
armor. I think that's one of the
28:47
inspirations. So yes, that's there.
28:50
You can find the designer of their costumes.
28:52
I don't know if either of you know a little bit more than I do
28:56
of like the inspiration of them. I know it was based on like
28:59
certain like archetypes. I don't know if it was like
29:02
heroic archetype, definitely like was quite.
29:04
It was it was very much like a commemoration of like something.
29:07
It was very Korean it. So I think like there was I knew
29:10
someone was a philosopher. I think June might have been the
29:13
philosopher and I think that Jimin might have been the poet.
29:16
And I think, yeah, I think Tay with his armor might have been
29:18
the warrior. But they all kind of embodied
29:20
like like certain kind of ideals, which I thought was just
29:23
such a really cool way because like, it was so like, I think it
29:25
was, I think like when you look at like the costuming being so
29:28
well done, I think it was so you can kind of look at the way the
29:31
costuming was done as a real reflection of like the wider
29:33
symbols and the themes of this album, which is rooted in
29:37
Korean. Like there's that Korean root in
29:39
it, but it's also modern, it's new, it's fresh, it's their
29:42
interpretation of it. So just as you've got these like
29:44
ancient, you know, like these old Korean patterns and symbols
29:47
and like ways of cutting fabric, it's also just trendy and new.
29:51
And that just honestly is that's just BTS in a nutshell in my
29:54
eye. Like.
29:55
I loved all their costuming and then the women I know they put
29:59
in the with the red which I thought was stunning.
30:02
I know that was a little controversial too, as far as
30:04
like, you know, how much red there was being spread around
30:07
because like red is part of one of the political parties.
30:09
So like they had to keep clearing up.
30:11
Like this is just the theme of the album.
30:13
We are not promoting any political side or party or
30:16
anything like that, which I. Understand of flowers.
30:19
Honestly, it's like how they were dressed.
30:21
They looked like flowers to me, like something beautiful.
30:24
You know what I'm saying? That brought hope because when
30:27
you were listening to them sing the quarrel, like how it sounded
30:31
like a choir, it was so powerful.
30:33
It wasn't to me. It was just like so beautiful.
30:36
It's like you were standing in a Meadow, almost like listening to
30:40
them sing this song that like means so much like to their
30:44
country. I just, I don't know.
30:47
I oh, I love that. I just love that opening.
30:50
It was such a solid opening song.
30:53
Yeah. And I do wish they showed all
30:54
five of them because there's five women singing.
30:57
But they only zoomed in even in this new edit, like to the
30:59
three. But I feel like if I remember
31:02
correctly from K Pop Demon Hunters, I'm not going to go too
31:05
much into detail, but when I was doing research on that, there's
31:08
a significance of why there's five of them.
31:10
Like in the movie, they kind of switched from like the three to
31:13
five. I just don't remember right now.
31:16
And that's not the main topic. I just wish all the women were
31:19
shown as well as like the people behind them sitting around
31:21
playing like the Korean instruments.
31:23
I thought that was, you know, cool too.
31:25
You kind of have to like actually be paying attention to
31:26
see them as well. But yes.
31:28
So we open with body to body. And then we moved on to
31:32
Hooligan, which as much as I've listened to this album, is
31:35
starting to become like my top three.
31:36
Honestly, it might be #1 at this point.
31:38
The part they did change though, for like, if you watched it like
31:42
live live to this new version, they didn't play like the intro.
31:46
If you've heard the song, they didn't play the intro music when
31:48
Jin was walking by and put on that the fucking mask.
31:53
Remember when we watched it Gina like they had it was silent when
31:56
he first was walking through with the audience cheering.
31:59
Now they actually have the music introing him.
32:01
So that's where they edit it and then put on the mask.
32:04
And then once you hear like the knives, that's when they like I
32:07
think they do a pan from above to Hobie and the dancer.
32:10
So they did change that part. If the actor hits do OK, he was
32:15
acting. I remember the first time
32:17
watching that. I was like, Oh my God, Jen, what
32:19
is he doing? What is he putting on?
32:21
I was like, is that a mask? So cute.
32:25
I will laugh every time I see him in that mask because it's
32:27
just like, oh, you're too innocent for this.
32:29
Like in the eyes. I'm sorry.
32:32
Yeah, I do, I do. I do fear the fitting of that
32:35
was not quite right and just he's got a longer face, the
32:40
costumes got a longer face than that.
32:41
It was just a bless. I mean, it wouldn't.
32:43
It's just iconic. Everything even even if people
32:45
call it a mistake or a bloody, it's just iconic.
32:48
And like he's just there and then like them laughing
32:51
afterwards, like behind the scenes about it and then
32:53
catching the little clips of them.
32:55
Jim just like being like, oh, is he wouldn't like, it's just,
32:58
yeah, like so endearing. But if they continue doing that,
33:01
like throughout the tour, I kind of hope they switch out the
33:03
members. Wouldn't that be funny?
33:05
Like if they do that for the intro, I want each member doing
33:08
something different, you know? I would love that.
33:11
I think they should just now let it be a meme just like they do,
33:15
you know, with Jim and making him a meme meme during a song.
33:19
Like please, I want that to be a thing.
33:22
Also in this performance, the way like Yungi towards the end
33:25
of his verse, like when he does this like face off when he's
33:28
rapping to the dancer, listen, that does something to be OK.
33:31
I had to replay that part too many times.
33:33
I'm like, Sir, yeah. Good.
33:37
I don't know why. That song makes them a little
33:40
feral, I think. Yeah.
33:42
Like when they hear that music and the laughing, I feel like it
33:46
just does something to them. They channel that energy, I
33:49
swear. Yeah, who look and I just felt
33:51
like in terms of like production and then just the things they
33:53
played around with on that, like obviously you had the knives
33:55
then you had to like play it just.
33:58
You did that really well, Shannon, practicing right?
34:03
Yeah, that was just them because I thought that was just them
34:05
goofing. I mean, as we know from the
34:07
Spotify event that was that was Chung Yuk's idea to do that.
34:10
And then the other, I think they were just be like, God damn it
34:14
younger because it's quite a lot to deal with.
34:15
So, but they do it. They do it very well.
34:18
And now it's iconic. It's the most iconic part of
34:20
that song. Like, I wait for the laugh.
34:22
I remember when I first heard that, I was like, oh, maybe I'm
34:24
the one who thought it was like, sexy.
34:26
I'm sorry, listen. No, definitely no.
34:30
Yeah. And who has grown on me?
34:31
Like it was one of, I think a few people said this as well,
34:34
that like at some point, like having headphones and you're
34:36
like, oh, it's a bit, is it a bit gracing with kind of the
34:38
knives? But honestly, like you listen
34:39
enough and it just blends in. Like you just, you don't, you
34:42
just get. So you just adjust to it.
34:44
And I think that, yeah, you just, I look forward to looking
34:46
every single time, which is pretty great because it's just,
34:49
yeah. And some of the things they're
34:50
saying in that track, I mean, yeah, speak, preach, for sure.
34:56
I must listen. I like the knives.
34:58
At the first listen I was just like, yes, slice me open, OK?
35:04
Yeah, I mean, I like I liked it because it was different.
35:07
And I think with a lot of things with this album, even if you're
35:09
like, oh, I'm not like you might have a personal preference, like
35:12
to not enjoy listening it over and over.
35:14
But as with a lot of things, I will always love and respect
35:17
that they're trying new things and that they're not keeping the
35:19
same the same old, same old. Like that was daring.
35:21
It's the second song in like you said, you went you go from you
35:24
go from like this traditional Korean like out of line track
35:26
Chan straight into that. And you're like, right.
35:29
We're in it like we're, you know, we go from having like
35:31
that softness and that kind of legacy to straight into the, you
35:34
know, the heavy Part 1, heavy hip hop Part 1.
35:37
And it's just yeah, it's just those those tracks from Hooligan
35:41
onwards lined up is a right. And I enjoyed every every second
35:46
of it. Exactly.
35:47
Well. Another, I don't know if I
35:50
should say controversial again, when I talk about like the
35:52
actual album and the breakdown, I'm me and Lala and our other
35:55
special guests. We will discuss this, but we
35:58
have 2.0, my favorite like choreography out of this whole
36:03
entire thing. And like for the people who were
36:05
talking about like, oh, this is lazy.
36:07
They've really slacked off. I'm like, do you understand how
36:09
technical this dance is? Like I feel like I'm watching
36:14
like on a ballerina like or a ballet type thing.
36:17
Like, it's technical where you have to make sure like your feet
36:19
either pointed at a certain angle, you have to make sure
36:22
your lines are straight the way they're like hitting every
36:24
single beat in certain parts of the song.
36:27
Like y'all don't understand how like technical this is.
36:30
If you're sloppy in any way and not hitting those sharp mute
36:33
like sharp moves, it looks a mess.
36:36
Yeah. It's like the whole thing from
36:37
like the choreo to the to actually what they what the
36:39
track is saying is them flexing like that.
36:42
I think is that I'm being, I mean, from what I remember from
36:45
right, just searching the lyrics and again, like I just yeah, is
36:49
I mean, offensively, like someone pointed this out to me.
36:51
I think it was when I watched the actual Jimmy Fallon
36:52
performance of 2.0 when they were saying that at the
36:55
beginning, they're like dusting themselves off in the choreo.
36:57
They're like stretching their muscles and getting ready.
37:00
They're doing that like pretend like getting ready and they
37:02
launch into this very tight. Like you're saying, like you're
37:05
saying it's like sharp have to hit every beat kind of choreo.
37:08
And like that is them being like a match with the lyric, them
37:11
being like, I think there's a line where it's like you've
37:13
thought that you could fall over us.
37:14
Like, you know, you've had your fun.
37:16
We're back now. We're here about to take what's
37:18
ours like. It's just it's just that that is
37:21
them 100% flaunting their scales and saying like you had your
37:26
shot trying to trying to usurp us.
37:28
You failed. Now you know ain't got shot.
37:30
You ain't got chance in hell now.
37:32
So yeah, I. Think it's funny for me because
37:35
you know, listening to it is not as ripping to me.
37:41
But when I saw the performance from this live, I really love
37:47
it. I love it perform.
37:49
I love watching the intricacies of their body movements because
37:54
there are points when their legs and arms are moving specifically
37:59
at some point. And it's like, what do you watch
38:02
at that point because there's so much going on.
38:04
But I think it's I think the choreo is some of the best that
38:08
they've done in a while. Like, I think that to watch this
38:13
performance is so good. Like, I look forward to seeing
38:18
it live because they made me more excited for it.
38:22
Yeah. Because they just, they just
38:24
move so easily. It's like water.
38:26
It's just like, how do you get your body to listen to your
38:29
brain like that and sing at the same time?
38:32
I could never. Yeah, I just.
38:34
Barely walk and talk half the time.
38:37
Yeah. And it's like, yeah.
38:39
And I think in that one that the hip hop infants, because we knew
38:41
they were doing having, they were all having like hip hop
38:43
dance lessons before. And like, I think you can see
38:46
that really pay off like is about the tightness.
38:48
They're like, get the power of those movements, like the amount
38:50
of energy that they're spending just like hit making it look it
38:53
look. And I know I remember like right
38:55
when I was getting into like K pop choreo and like learning
38:57
about it, like they were saying that some of the some of the
38:59
hardest choreos to do in terms of like technicality that any
39:03
professional dancer will tell you are the ones that look
39:05
really easy. But they actually the amount of
39:07
control you need in your body to make it look effortless is
39:11
extreme. Like you are like you are like
39:12
pulling muscles trying to make it look like your body is like
39:15
moving like butter. Like it's not really about
39:17
dexterity. It's about power and control of
39:20
your body and being so in touch of your body to be able to even
39:23
like the slightest inch to make sure that you do that move just
39:26
right is just they're just they're just phenomenal.
39:28
And there have been so there have been some stellar gym in
39:32
fat gym in fan cams that have come off of the 2.0 performance.
39:35
Like they've gone mega viral. People going who is this?
39:37
Like it's the gym in effect, but it's also that Corey's effect.
39:40
It's just so good. Exactly, and I am curious I
39:43
forgot to mention this before we started.
39:46
In this whole live thing, Namjoom is not dancing, he
39:49
actually hurt himself. I don't know if it was the day
39:51
before the album release. I know they released the
39:54
announcement like the day the album came out.
39:57
So it was either like the day before or a few days before.
40:00
It was the day before. Because when he was on Weavers,
40:03
he said yesterday I hurt myself. So that was the day before the
40:07
album release. OK, so yes, he's not dancing and
40:11
you'll see him in a boot as well.
40:12
I'm curious of what he will look like with this choreography when
40:16
he's able to dance again. Because like I my favorite part
40:18
is like his like one of the last verses when he does the pop pop
40:22
pop. And then like they kind of do
40:23
like this weird spin thing to his pop.
40:25
It's so satisfying to watch. I'm I'm just curious of like
40:29
where he is in that whole part when he actually is able to
40:33
dance. But that part, I replayed that
40:35
part. I think I almost broke my TV.
40:37
I'm not going to lie. It's so satisfying, I don't know
40:40
what it is about it. Yeah, but yeah, no, he's so
40:43
yeah, bless, bless him in his little moon Boo.
40:45
I think he yeah, just got a little bit too excited I think
40:49
too and just but I think you know already he's done because
40:53
he did with Jimmy Fallon. He did do the he did the swim
40:56
Corey out. So he didn't do two-part out
40:58
because I think that was like I was saying probably a little bit
41:00
too much yeah, exertion on the body.
41:02
But I mean he got those body he nailed those body roles in in
41:06
swim. So he's.
41:08
Yeah, he is. He's getting better.
41:09
And I also didn't realize, as you see it more, I think it's
41:12
because I've also seen fan cams and behind the scenes.
41:14
I didn't realize for him, like he couldn't walk on the catwalk
41:17
to go from the mainstage to the mini stage.
41:19
They had to take him like off the stage, kind of circle him
41:23
around in order to get back and forth, which I felt so bad.
41:26
And his little 22 crutches. Yeah.
41:30
I was like, oh God, it's OK. He seems to be getting better,
41:34
so we'll see in the next two weeks when the actual tours
41:37
start. What he's able to do, Yeah.
41:39
I can just imagine him just like soon as any new performance.
41:42
So he's like hoisting that leg up in bed.
41:44
He's like heal. He's willing it to heal.
41:47
He's like, I want to get back on it.
41:48
I've got stuff to do. Like he's just, like speeding
41:51
along just doing all he needs to do just.
41:54
Yeah, just manifesting A heeled leg so that he's just good.
41:58
And then he's probably going to get so excited and he's going to
42:01
jump back into it and hurt himself again.
42:03
He better. Not.
42:04
Don't do that, Shannon. Don't put that out of the
42:06
universe. I need my man to be OK.
42:08
Listen, we're trying to pray for less injuries during this tour
42:12
as possible. We have dates all the way until
42:14
2027 right now. True, true.
42:17
I mean, he's maybe it'll be like a kind of an equal exchange.
42:20
He might help. His body will stay intact, but
42:22
he will break his phone and I will I think his phone can be
42:25
seen first because that's that's just Namjin for you.
42:27
So we'll see how that that that can be a tally that I think we
42:30
can keep. How many phones will Namjin go
42:32
through this or there's? Some glasses like pair of
42:36
sunglasses will he fling across the stage by accident?
42:39
Yeah. I would rather him break or RIP
42:42
a costume than keep hindering his body.
42:45
Oh, I mean, he could RIP a costume all day.
42:47
OK, I'm fine with that. Yeah, strategically do it on
42:51
purpose, not just. Oh God, I guess don't go back
42:55
too much into the roots. OK, Anyway, so we're going to
42:59
move on. So after two point on 2 point on
43:03
2 point O, they, you know, stopped doing a little
43:07
introduction, basically mentioning that they're back
43:09
after four years. I thought it was really sweet.
43:12
Jen talked about, you know, last time they performed was in Busan
43:15
and like he vividly remembers telling everyone to wait for
43:17
them and that he was thankful, you know, that you guys waited.
43:21
They also talked about how it was an honor to perform in the
43:23
square, especially during our due to its historical, you know,
43:28
significance as well as the historical significance with the
43:31
album. And yeah, they're just very
43:33
grateful and thankful for ARMY to be there and watching them
43:36
because, you know, they still have a fear that they've been
43:39
gone so long that no one was going to show up for them.
43:42
And then I guess to celebrate moving on to the next song, they
43:45
gave us Butter, which I'm sorry, Jimin, why did you lie to us
43:48
saying that this was one of Army's favorites?
43:51
Who? Who are you talking to?
43:52
Where are the armies? I mean, I know they're out
43:54
there. I'm not judging you if butter is
43:56
your favorite. But let's slow down now.
44:00
I mean, I I do love, I do really like butter.
44:02
It's my favorite of the English trio, like by by quite a
44:05
stretch. But it is we have we've seen
44:08
that a lot and they performed a lot.
44:11
So I think, you know, in the same, in the same way, you know,
44:14
when they crop up, a lot of people join the fandom, they're
44:17
gonna they're gonna do them some of the most their most popular
44:19
tracks. Yeah, I mean, but I mean the
44:21
core, the core is good. The core is smooth out, you
44:23
know, smooth out butter on purpose.
44:26
So I. Yeah, me and Gina's favorite is
44:29
dynamite, and I personally, I it's been long enough.
44:32
I don't care. I pretend permission to dance
44:33
doesn't exist. That is one song I will out loud
44:36
so I do not like. I'm sorry, like I think it's, I
44:40
think as time's gone on, we've all, we've all felt in a safe
44:44
enough environment to say as has, as have BTS.
44:48
Listen. That track just was.
44:51
It was. It wasn't quite there, the file.
44:54
Was lost. I wouldn't be sad if the file
44:58
got lost and it fell off of all streaming.
45:01
I wouldn't be sad. Be like permission to dance?
45:05
What's that? Maybe it was just a nice, you
45:07
know, name they made their tour. It's like our paradise.
45:11
OK JK forgets paradise exists which is wild.
45:14
No, don't do that to Queen Paradise.
45:16
Hold on now. Actually, no, I will not accept
45:19
that. Listen.
45:20
Comparing it to Paradise. Listen.
45:23
I'm about to send you to a corner, Gina.
45:25
You forgot it existed. I want to forget OK.
45:28
But that's just because they don't remember things.
45:30
They have minds of like goldfish.
45:33
They have two songs. That's a good song to forget.
45:35
Permission to dance is not a good song to forget.
45:37
Yeah. Yeah, I think, I think
45:40
permission to dance to me is an expression of just how polite
45:44
and professional BTSR because Ed Sheeran came to them and said,
45:48
hey, guys, I wrote you a song and they went, thanks, let's
45:52
perform it. And that's and they they
45:55
couldn't say no, just gentlemen for and for.
45:57
However, yes, let let her, let her.
46:01
But I could. Say if they want to bring butter
46:03
with Megan the stallion out more, I'll take that.
46:07
I would be OK with that. They could play and bring her
46:11
out every so often, like to certain stops.
46:14
If they want to put butter in, please bring bring her.
46:17
Although I'm just going to put it out there, if Megan appears
46:20
on any stage in any, any point in this, I, I, there's one,
46:25
there's a track that I need them to perform.
46:27
I know and. It's not butter.
46:29
It is never play. I know you're going to say that
46:32
I need it. I need it.
46:34
Listen. Could.
46:35
I be in Texas. Yeah, I would.
46:38
Let me in. Texas.
46:39
Damn it, I should have went to Texas.
46:41
I think if she's going to show up anywhere, it's Texas.
46:44
It would be. Texas.
46:46
Because I think, didn't she show up at Cardi's in Texas?
46:49
Yeah, he did, I think. Damn it, I should have went to
46:51
Texas because I I cried when I wasn't there the weekend she
46:55
appeared when they did butter together.
46:57
I know I got Coldplay. I'm not listen, I'm not a big
47:00
Coldplay fan. No, no hate to Chris Martin.
47:02
I I literally was like I was so distraught that I missed her by
47:07
a weekend. My friend Anne, who I'm going to
47:11
see, we go to MetLife with, she saw Megan, she was there the
47:16
night Meg was there and she said it was one of the most wild
47:18
experiences. She said the crowd was insane.
47:22
So I do feel like if they're going to perform with her or you
47:26
know, Nam June is going to bring Sweet Lady up to do the song
47:30
they never got to do, I think it will be Texas.
47:33
Please, I will fight JK. And Namju to get to Megan.
47:35
Don't play with me, I will fight both of them to get to Megan.
47:38
The way he pushed JK out the way to get.
47:40
To Megan, that is going to be me with.
47:42
Namju, I will body slam. But I but no, that's the only
47:47
version of butter I will probably accept more.
47:50
Now is the one with Megan. Yeah, yeah.
47:52
So yes, they did butter. And then they also moved on to
47:55
mic drop, which, you know, was very satisfying.
47:57
The fan chants are also louder in this new edit.
47:59
You can hear them more. We also got the infamous Miane
48:03
Oma that I feel like really started again when Hobie was
48:06
doing his solo promotion. So that was great to see them
48:09
bring back mic, drop another mini break to chill, relax.
48:14
Well, not really relax, but like to calm down, get a drink, ask
48:18
how the audience is doing, thank them again, ask them if they're
48:20
a cold, all that. Then we move on to aliens, which
48:24
is also another one of my favorite songs.
48:27
A very powerful song and it's meaning.
48:29
Love the dance for that. As far as like the background
48:31
dancers and what they're doing. I love the background dancers
48:34
and that one. I'm probably going to embarrass
48:36
you and your daughter Gina when we go see them in Baltimore, the
48:39
way I'm going to be screaming the end of like, yeah, we land
48:43
on it and stand on it make. Sure.
48:46
Paul records you at that time because he's my cameraman and
48:50
he's going to be there. So I'll just tell him to film
48:52
that for us, please. Focus on the guys doing that,
48:54
but thanks for the offer. I don't need to be that
48:58
embarrassed, but yes, and then after alien, we go to fire,
49:02
which I know all of us were yelling at Nam tune to sit down
49:05
jumping. Oh my God, Foot, it's like Sir,
49:08
sit. Still, I was screaming at the
49:11
TVI. Was like.
49:13
Fires fire. It hypes you up like I.
49:15
Love that song. That's my favorite favorite from
49:18
the first half of the album. That song is on read all the
49:21
time. Yeah, yeah.
49:22
I don't, I don't, I don't say, well, I would say, well, I don't
49:25
say a blame Nam Jin. I will hold him accountable for
49:28
jumping about, but I don't blame him because as I said, like that
49:31
track, I don't think that. I mean it's put this way.
49:33
I ain't putting that track on in the library because because I'm
49:36
going to be good. It's not going to work.
49:39
I'm putting that on in the gym. I'm putting that on when I, I
49:42
don't go to the club anymore. I'm old.
49:44
But if I was to simulate, if I was to put my little disco ball
49:47
on in my in my living room, pretend that was fun, fire would
49:50
be on the playlist. So.
49:51
That was very, very club and like rave type song.
49:55
So it makes a lot of sense. Yes.
49:57
Another mini break. Then we go into the title track
50:00
Swim, where we also got, you know, the dance for Swim for the
50:04
first time. You know, it's just kind of like
50:05
the song. It's very calm and relaxing.
50:07
I also saw online apparently I don't know, like the part where
50:11
like V&T, like when they're like, I just want to dive in
50:13
part of the chorus. Apparently the movement they do
50:15
is also sign language. I didn't know that.
50:17
They've also been incorporating a lot of sign languages in their
50:19
dances, I'm noticing. That's cool.
50:21
Maybe that is the one good thing that PTD gave us.
50:24
The one. Yes, I will say that it's a sign
50:28
language of the dance. But they put it in here too.
50:31
Yeah. They like all got together for
50:32
like a wash up after PTD. I was like, can we learn from
50:35
this experience? Like, well, they loved when we
50:37
did sign language. Let's do that again.
50:39
And that's a lovely, wholesome thing to take from PTD and let
50:42
her rest. Yeah, I saw that from a Korean
50:44
creator. A deaf Korean creator.
50:47
That's actually beautiful. Yeah, and the swim choreo was
50:51
exactly how I think I envisioned.
50:53
I remember I said, I said there's not going to be, it's
50:55
not going to be energetic the way that 2.0 and a Culligan is.
50:59
It's going to be body rolls for days.
51:01
It's going to be smooth. It's going to be moving in and
51:04
out of sequence like waves. And it was just, it was, it was
51:06
beautiful. It was just very, very hypnotic.
51:09
I kind of went a little bit back to Black Swan with that kind of
51:11
choreo. When I watched it, I was like,
51:12
this is this is kind of the traditional ballet dance.
51:15
Just just the. Yeah, just very, very, very
51:18
pretty. Yes, exactly.
51:20
Super technical. Again, control, body control is
51:24
huge with those kinds of movements.
51:26
And I know we're going to talk about this later, but I do feel
51:30
like even if it is a slower track for a title track, I think
51:34
the dancing makes it more technical and makes it more
51:38
satisfying to watch. And not everybody can pull off
51:42
the control that that dance is so.
51:46
They make it look easy, like many, many things they do.
51:49
So then after swim, you know, we get our little chill moments
51:52
where we go into like animals. Very beautifully done.
51:56
Is the way they sing that as well.
51:58
And then Normal, which I know is 1 of Gino's favorite songs.
52:01
I don't know if you want to talk about that a little bit or not.
52:04
It is. My favorite song, but I I like
52:06
the way that they perform this because I wasn't sure, because
52:10
you always like we heard from like Nam Jean in the live and
52:14
stuff like how Hobie was helping them pick songs that they could
52:18
perform and like move to. And I was like, and they he said
52:22
that how, you know, Hobie broke it down.
52:24
Like he said, we can't move to this song or this.
52:27
So I didn't know how they were going to go about normal because
52:30
normal is one of those songs too that like it has slow parts, but
52:34
also fast. But I'm glad that I didn't like
52:37
perform it with a dance. I actually like that they kind
52:41
of like took a moment to breathe and like just perform the song
52:45
because I think hearing like the vocal line do their like siren
52:50
calls, almost like especially Gin and normal.
52:52
He has this point where it gets so vocal, but I think it would
52:57
have been drowned out by dance. So I think this is going to be
53:00
one of those songs that I'm going to love to hear live
53:03
because, and I'm glad that they put Like Animals in Normal like
53:06
they did in the album back-to-back in the performance.
53:09
Because I think those songs really shot lyrically, but also
53:14
just vocally because there isn't really heavy rapping either.
53:18
It's more song rap in some parts.
53:20
And I think it's just, I think it's beautiful, but I think they
53:24
want to people hear the lyrics of those songs clearly.
53:28
And movement would not have let people hear the words.
53:32
And I think it was perfect. I think it was the perfect way
53:35
to perform them. Yeah, it also means like it
53:37
just, it gives it, I think it shines a light on like how
53:40
they're going to perform, have the endurance of like all of
53:43
these tracks 1 by 1. Like you can't have every single
53:46
track be for this big like movement.
53:48
They're going to exhaust themselves.
53:50
So actually like being able to slow the pace down and like,
53:52
like, like you say, like really focused in on them, how the
53:56
heart they put into singing it, that the lyrics, that's the
53:58
point of normal because because yeah, normal, normal gets deep.
54:01
Normal normal gets quite heavy. There's there's heavy track as
54:04
much as there's like fire frenetic, Yeah, like, you know,
54:06
really like showing people who's boss.
54:08
There's also shedding some light on stuff.
54:10
And yeah, you don't want the distraction of them jumping
54:13
around on stage. Right.
54:14
Exactly. Yes, and then after normal is
54:17
when we go into our final, you know, talk, basically saying the
54:20
goodbyes. They mentioned their favorite
54:21
songs at the time. I'm sure that's changed since
54:25
the album's been out. Like us.
54:27
They also, you know, got on Tay for sitting on the stool that
54:30
was meant for Nam June. That was pretty funny.
54:32
They also cut out the part where so they didn't cut out the part
54:35
where Yungi was doing his final because I didn't realize until
54:39
watching behind the scenes of like fan cans and stuff.
54:42
I guess he was going to give his final speech in English, but
54:45
then something happened with the prompts so it cut off.
54:48
So then he started talking in Korean.
54:50
But then you also see like especially Jen, he was dying
54:53
laughter. I mean like JK and Hobie and
54:56
even Tay like just laughing, but they don't show them laughing
54:59
anymore. And I was sad, so I know.
55:02
But you do see, we're like, now that I know what I could tell
55:05
Ryungi was like, thank you for coming, that he switches to
55:07
Korea. And I'm like, I don't think he
55:08
was supposed to be doing that. No, I mean, he, yeah, he he
55:12
just, he jumps. I mean, he's a consummate
55:14
professional. But yeah, that was funny.
55:16
But we have the we know, we know what we're done.
55:19
You know, it was just, yeah, that was yeah.
55:21
When you see when you see the back of it, when you see like
55:23
the the screen just go blank. All of a sudden him just go ah,
55:27
and then just the others be like, I think it's like the kind
55:30
of relief that I have. Better you than me, better you
55:32
than me. Even though we all know he
55:34
secretly fluid like to stop playing seriously, it's.
55:37
Fine, he was caught off guard. It's called guard.
55:39
Fluent in any other in any other way?
55:41
Particularly when Namjin is making the comment that they
55:43
can't speak English and he's like, I'll show you.
55:46
Listen, he tried in the Spotify event, especially when Namjin
55:50
was teasing him about the swim. That part always, I replay that
55:54
a lot. He stood out like he was going
55:56
to beat exactly. He's like, you're not about to
55:59
get me cancelled on the Internet.
56:01
No, I don't hate swim. I hate swimming.
56:05
I don't like water. Yeah, so if we weren't on stage
56:08
and on camera, you know what would be up?
56:11
So exactly which? Never never beating the cat
56:14
allegations as well. Yeah, him and Tong probably
56:18
don't like taking baths. So it's fine.
56:20
It's fine. And then also we end out with
56:24
performance for Dynamite, which is another one of the very, you
56:27
know, hit songs of the English trio and wrap it all together
56:30
with Microcosmos, which I remember because like me and
56:34
Gina and some others in the Discourse server, like we were
56:36
in the voice channel, but all watching it separately live.
56:39
And like, we all kind of thought they were going to perform into
56:42
the sun. But then we started hearing
56:43
Micro Curbos. We were like, you know, that one
56:45
beam of that one blonde girl was like, oh, that's what we all
56:48
kind of do. Like Michael Craswells.
56:50
Okay. But she was expected because
56:53
they've been using that song for promotion for this whole thing.
56:56
So I'm like, I'm not surprised, but.
56:59
Into the Sun would have been such a better way to end.
57:02
Like I feel like it was just I know why they're probably saving
57:06
it for the tour and I have a feeling that that's going to be
57:09
one of their ending songs. But like I think on I like you
57:13
said, it was used as promo microcosmos, but I think Into
57:17
the Sun would have been the better choice creatively.
57:21
I think it would have been the better choice, but you know, I.
57:25
Wasn't No, I, I, I love, I love Michael Crosman.
57:28
I don't I don't get tired of it. I don't have to hear it because
57:30
it's just a very it's just a very sentimental track.
57:32
Like I, I like if they, if that's what they use in the
57:36
concert, I will be, yeah. I'm going to.
57:38
Cry because it'd be the first time I would ever have heard it
57:41
like live and it's just yeah. And, and also the chance when
57:45
they they actually had everyone get their phones out and do
57:48
things, you know, that probably like, you know, talking about
57:50
the lights and everyone being together.
57:52
It's just, I don't know, it just makes you feel a bit warm and
57:54
fuzzy inside. So I, I was, but I am going to
57:57
be curious what like I think into the sun and also the tracks
58:00
that we haven't seen live. So I think like, please, one
58:02
more night. I have, yeah.
58:04
I. Have them written down so the
58:05
songs they didn't perform was Merry Go Round, They Don't Know
58:07
About Us, One More Night Please and Into the Sun.
58:10
So it was actually five. I thought it was only four
58:11
songs. You missed one.
58:13
How what are they going to do with #29 how are they going to
58:15
perform that? That's.
58:17
OK. The people want to know what are
58:19
they going to do for that? It's.
58:20
Going to be a midway point. It's going to be.
58:23
I think it's going to be used in like like a midway point to
58:26
separate the types of songs they're going to do during the
58:30
tour. Like I think that it's going to
58:32
be used similarly to what they did switching the club play
58:37
songs to the more introspective songs.
58:40
I think they might integrate like the first half be like
58:45
newer or something and then go back in time and then tie it in
58:49
with something from the current album.
58:51
So like I see it as they do some of the newer tracks, song goes
58:55
off, then we do kind of the introspective stuff that like
58:59
Animals and Normal, but then start doing some of the older
59:03
stuff and then tie back in with like Into the Sun or something
59:07
at the end. Yeah, yeah, I think you're
59:09
right. There's yeah #29 is just even in
59:11
the album that was generally it's just such a tonal shift.
59:14
It's just a complete pause of just like everything goes
59:17
silent. Yeah, it'd be really interesting
59:18
how they incorporate that, right.
59:20
But then I also, you know, maybe it'll just be like a random the
59:23
gong will just sound and whatever they're doing, they
59:25
just have to freeze and it's just one, one minute, 32nd of
59:28
just hold. So like is.
59:30
This our new you know how like in Beyoncé's tour she has like
59:34
in Renaissance everybody, you know go mute of the gong.
59:37
Is that what you're saying shitty Maybe maybe I love that
59:42
right. I'll calm down.
59:43
It's. Time to meditate, yeah?
59:45
Water. Breathe.
59:47
Yeah, Honestly, I love that idea.
59:50
I'm gonna. Need it.
59:51
I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm.
59:52
Gonna sleep for two days after this concert.
59:54
I'll call the energy expended. I could do it a minute for
59:57
yourself. And just just to just to
59:59
decrease stimulation. Thank you very much, Bong Todd.
1:00:01
Much appreciated. Exactly.
1:00:03
I am very curious. So like, are they gonna perform?
1:00:06
All the songs on this new album, or if there's going to be like
1:00:08
one or two, they may omit. I'm not not going to lie, I
1:00:12
would rather than play all the songs on the new album and just
1:00:15
admit one of the old ones. It's fine.
1:00:17
Like you guys keep saying, we're in a new era.
1:00:19
Like I would take, I actually would take all fourteen of
1:00:22
these, replace it with something old.
1:00:24
I I need I need. One more night.
1:00:28
I need it now. I think it was perfect as well.
1:00:30
Yeah, so great. And I think.
1:00:32
And even if even if it's. More of a you know, we've had
1:00:34
we've had tracks for that before that are very like, yeah, very
1:00:37
like very because like One More Night.
1:00:39
And just for people's reference, One More Night has been adopted
1:00:42
by Brits because it is the most stereotypical like Brit, like
1:00:47
popular British, kind of like a lot of a lot of tracks like BTS
1:00:50
put out are like, oh, this is for the Brits, this is for us.
1:00:52
Like this is this is the music you have in the background of
1:00:54
Love Island. Like this is, this is for us
1:00:56
and, and one more night has kind of taken like it's so we're just
1:00:59
like we've just adopted one more night.
1:01:01
And so I'm just saying when they, if they need to perform
1:01:04
that and when they come to London and that for those two
1:01:06
days and I am in one of those nights, we're going to go crazy.
1:01:09
We're going to be just, we just that that's that's our job.
1:01:12
So yeah, yeah, everyone's afraid that police is going to get the
1:01:14
paradise. Treatment and be forgotten.
1:01:17
Listen, we will see you in two weeks.
1:01:19
But yes, that's pretty much our breakdown of the live guys.
1:01:23
If you haven't seen it, highly highly recommend it.
1:01:26
Like honestly, go watch it first before you hear us talk about
1:01:29
the documentary. I'm just saying.
1:01:31
But yes, we are going to move on to another drop on Netflix.
1:01:35
Only BTS The Return, the documentary that is the full
1:01:39
name directed by Bao Nguyen. He also did a very interesting
1:01:45
Teen Vogue article as well, kind of like talking about what his
1:01:49
thought process was. I didn't know he approached the
1:01:52
company back in 2021 to try to do something with BTS.
1:01:56
But of course like military and everything, they couldn't and
1:01:59
then they reapproached them once they discharge.
1:02:02
So it's a very interesting read. I do have the article listed in
1:02:06
the description note and he also talked about too in that the way
1:02:10
it's set up and wanting to wait for Jin to join them.
1:02:14
I don't remember how long they were in LA before Jin joined
1:02:18
them. I think it was like, I think it
1:02:19
was a week and 1/2 or so it was. Only a week and 1/2.
1:02:22
It was a week and a half to two weeks.
1:02:24
I think that he was with them. It seemed like they were there
1:02:28
for a month and he only had a month.
1:02:30
I didn't think it was that long. Listen, time is soon at this.
1:02:33
Point. I don't know, like I know they
1:02:36
went before him and I'll talk about that too when we start
1:02:38
actually talking about that, but I was like, I didn't think the
1:02:40
time was. I mean, they did a lot
1:02:42
apparently if it was only a week and 1/2 or two weeks because
1:02:46
they told him. Let me save that for when I get
1:02:49
into this. But yes, we're going to start
1:02:51
talking about the documentary. Warning spoilers.
1:02:54
If you haven't watched this yet, we're going to be talking about
1:02:56
pretty much everything, discussing some very important
1:02:58
things in this documentary. So if you don't care about
1:03:01
spoilers, you can keep listening.
1:03:03
If you do, go watch it and then listen to our thoughts.
1:03:06
There's been a lot of discourse online, not only with this but
1:03:09
with the album itself that we will get into.
1:03:12
But honestly, when you watch this documentary, it just feels
1:03:16
like BTS pretty be much like predicted in a weird way with
1:03:20
the discourse on mine was going to be very strange how they did
1:03:24
that. And then we'll talk about a
1:03:25
little bit more when I do Part 2 and talk about the actual like
1:03:28
album itself and like the discourse about the songs.
1:03:30
But right now we're just talking about the documentary.
1:03:33
So once we you know, you play it opens up.
1:03:37
We start with the infamous beach live that the guys did when they
1:03:40
were all in LA recording the album and preparing for their
1:03:43
long-awaited 4 year comeback as Group of Seven.
1:03:47
And then I also remember when that live did happen, many
1:03:51
people also noticed like the camera crew that was following
1:03:53
them in the background. So we were all like, oh, are we
1:03:55
getting like behind the scene content?
1:03:57
And it turned out to be Netflix the whole time, especially when
1:04:00
it was announced that they're doing the documentary and you
1:04:02
know, armies being some armies. And like there's a whole
1:04:05
category we have for some of them of like the theory armies
1:04:08
were like the camera crew was probably Netflix.
1:04:10
And know what guys, you were right.
1:04:13
It was indeed Netflix. I also love to at the beginning
1:04:17
of that, they kept the whole like that part that went viral
1:04:19
online when they read the comment like miss you my husband
1:04:23
and Namjoos, like miss you my wife.
1:04:25
Oh my God. Yeah, we went.
1:04:28
A bit crazy. I mean, it was, it was, it was
1:04:31
the, it was all the emotions that was then back together.
1:04:34
It was the sunset, it was the beach, it was Namjin, and then
1:04:38
it was calling us our wives. It just and they just they they
1:04:40
feed the Delisle. I mean, I know like we can, we
1:04:43
can get we, we people cross boundaries into Delisle and of
1:04:46
course we don't, we don't condone those actions.
1:04:48
However, Namjin specifically, he has his moments where I'm like,
1:04:51
come on, you just what you know, you should know what you're
1:04:54
unleashing at this point. Yes, so exactly.
1:04:57
And also for people who may have not watched.
1:04:59
That live because it goes back and forth to like, you know,
1:05:02
black screen of like introduction of like of blobble
1:05:05
or about when film Netflix and like hi, you know, like there's
1:05:09
parts where you just like hear Jin screaming.
1:05:12
I hope people know like he's not screaming of terror.
1:05:15
Well, I mean kind of it's when like take kept hugging him.
1:05:18
It wouldn't stop hugging him, especially after he I'm pretty
1:05:21
sure he also went into the water with Jimin, right.
1:05:23
They were both wet, soaking wet. Yeah yes, so he's screaming from
1:05:29
that. He's fine guys.
1:05:30
He wasn't being tortured or anything.
1:05:33
So after that, you know, we get like a little montage of BTS
1:05:35
performing throughout the years from like Love Yourself era,
1:05:38
Permission to Dance and their last concert in Busan.
1:05:41
And then we have Stephen Colbert, which I'm assuming this
1:05:44
was around the time they were last on his show, which I'm
1:05:47
assuming was around 2021, I think.
1:05:51
I think that was the last time they were on that show.
1:05:53
But anyway, we get a voice over of him when he's doing like the
1:05:56
introduction of the band. I have a direct quote where it
1:05:59
says international music phenomenon, one of the biggest
1:06:02
groups on the planet. They had made Times magazine's
1:06:05
most influentialist and they became the first group since The
1:06:09
Beatles to have three albums go number one in less than a year.
1:06:13
So then after that and then like, because there was also a
1:06:16
part where like Trevor Noah, I think when they went to the
1:06:18
Grammys was talking about them and talk about like they're the
1:06:21
biggest boy band. Cut to a black screen and a
1:06:24
notice saying starting in 2022, BTS, the world's biggest musical
1:06:29
group, paused everything at their peak and begin mandatory
1:06:32
military service. And then we also get a bunch of
1:06:35
like voice overs of people talking about like their
1:06:37
feelings during the enlistment, why they have to go.
1:06:39
We also get some clips of Jen getting his hair shaved once
1:06:42
again and then like the members sending him off and to the gate.
1:06:46
It's over, Gina, it's fine, they're back.
1:06:48
I cried so hard. I was watching that with.
1:06:51
Tears in my eye. I'm like, yeah, more flashbacks.
1:06:56
Literally, Scott. Paul looked over and I was just
1:06:59
like. Tear like crying.
1:07:02
He's like, it's not here anymore.
1:07:04
I like her. I know Jen was the worst for me,
1:07:07
I thought. Hobie was going to be the worst
1:07:08
to. Go in the No it was Jen.
1:07:10
I was mess because he was the 1st and he went.
1:07:15
It was more flashback. Stupid director.
1:07:18
Anyway, you have to get the sense of.
1:07:20
Emotion of what this means for. Their return, yeah.
1:07:23
You have to remember, Gina, like this is Netflix.
1:07:25
This is for people. That have not seen this stuff
1:07:28
exactly as part of like a self torture self torture device,
1:07:33
which is what we had watching stuff over like pain but not
1:07:36
like that. I mean this is.
1:07:39
Gina, This is why. We may have to turn it into a
1:07:42
joke of like the anchor carton of adding more to the egg Carson
1:07:46
because like, what else could we do?
1:07:48
Like if you don't laugh, you cry and we never see BTC stuff.
1:07:52
People, this is freaking. Heart shattering stuff.
1:07:55
Okay, yes, because we have to also remember this is not only.
1:07:59
For the fans. But this is also a way to
1:08:02
showcase BTC to the general public, which again throughout
1:08:05
this documentary that I will mention, I feel like a lot of
1:08:08
fans forget that, but we will get into that because there's a
1:08:11
lot of arguments on who was BTS trying to anyway, we're going to
1:08:15
continue before I start getting into it.
1:08:18
So yes. But after that it gets happy
1:08:21
Gina. OK, cuz we start getting clips
1:08:23
of them being discharged. Remember the flowers, the
1:08:25
happiness, them saluting being finally done.
1:08:28
We got Namdia with the saxophone.
1:08:30
Yes, happy times. The only one we didn't get
1:08:33
though is Yungi, because of course his service was
1:08:35
different. So for those who don't know how
1:08:37
the military, I have to also talk of like people who don't
1:08:40
know BTS that well or maybe chiming in for the first time.
1:08:43
They have separate military services, active duty and kind
1:08:47
of like a civil in a way. That one's more for like men who
1:08:50
aren't like physically qualified to do the active duty.
1:08:53
So because Yungi, you know, had his shoulder injury way back
1:08:56
when, even though he had surgery for it, I guess they deemed like
1:08:59
he wasn't really fit to do like the active service like the
1:09:02
other guys did. So his was also a little bit
1:09:04
longer. He came out a couple months
1:09:06
after all the other members were finally discharged.
1:09:11
But yes. And then we also have like a
1:09:12
voice over of one guy stating like the Princess of Popper back
1:09:16
and that BTS are back. I'm heading to the US to record
1:09:19
for an album that is slated for spring 2026 release.
1:09:23
So that we kind of spring forward time a little bit, which
1:09:26
over to the house that I'm assuming BTS was staying in when
1:09:29
they were in LA for the two months that they were recording.
1:09:33
Adi Dong. You know, you kind of just see
1:09:34
the members lounging around and it gives like a little
1:09:36
introduction of them. You had sugar on his phone on
1:09:39
the porch. You had Tay outside on the
1:09:42
balcony, Nam Jin watching TV, JK on his phone, Jim eating and
1:09:46
then hope you look like he was about to go work out in betweens
1:09:49
as well. You kind of see like a POV of
1:09:51
someone in a car on the highway of LA, which we later see is Jin
1:09:55
and that means he's on his way to enjoyed the members.
1:09:58
Finally after being done with the solo tour, run Soap Gin.
1:10:02
And if you want to hear about the tour, me and Gina did an
1:10:05
episode on that talking about seeing Gin and Tampa FL
1:10:09
Shameless plug. So go listen to that episode
1:10:11
guys. Also, I must not have been
1:10:14
paying attention. I I messaged Gina too when I was
1:10:17
rewatching this. There's a lot of things
1:10:18
apparently I had missed and I wasn't paying attention.
1:10:20
I must have been on my phone because when Tay was on the
1:10:22
balcony, why was he showing us all that for free?
1:10:24
Why'd we get the chest and the ABS for free?
1:10:26
I was like, Sir, chapter 2 is not about taking our shirts off.
1:10:31
Liar. What men do is lie.
1:10:34
I. So then when we get to the
1:10:36
house. When Jin finally.
1:10:38
Arrives, you know, he's greeted by Jimin and Hobie and Nam Jin
1:10:42
actually gives him a bouquet of flowers, which I thought was
1:10:45
very sweet. That touched Gina's heart as
1:10:47
well. And you can also tell that he
1:10:50
came back from his own tour because I didn't realize this,
1:10:53
but my second watcher off the whole documentary.
1:10:55
He's mainly wearing his tour merch for clothes.
1:10:59
It's good stuff. I mean, he had.
1:11:01
Really great merch. OK, I will say out of all.
1:11:04
The merch for like solo gin was my favorite.
1:11:07
It has so good. Yes, great quality.
1:11:10
Just like, really cute. Intricate designs.
1:11:13
I really loved his merch and lots of sizes.
1:11:16
Yes, very size. Inclusive.
1:11:18
Especially, you know. For our bigger girlies and we
1:11:20
loved that. So he also talks about how.
1:11:24
Exhausted he was. And how he just finished his
1:11:26
last show in Amsterdam and immediately got on a flight to
1:11:29
LA. Also, people need to remember
1:11:31
for like the timelines. So this was in August of 2025.
1:11:35
And this was before Jin decided to do an encore like finale
1:11:39
concert in Seoul. So that was way before that.
1:11:42
Because we also, I don't know if we talked about it in the
1:11:44
recording. The finale was very last minute.
1:11:46
It was last minute. It was.
1:11:48
I don't even think he was planning on.
1:11:49
Doing 1 he wasn't because during the tour he said he wasn't going
1:11:53
to. Do what he was.
1:11:54
All of a sudden we get a notice run soaked JIT Finale.
1:11:57
We're like, what? He said that too.
1:12:00
Finale was right before the guys.
1:12:03
Left for LA, didn't they? Because it wasn't too long after
1:12:06
the finale. No, it was after they were
1:12:08
already back in Korea. Bianca was Halloween with an AI.
1:12:12
Was going to say it was. Around like October, yeah, yeah.
1:12:15
Why is time really? Like not function time's an
1:12:19
illusion when you're winning, my catch phrase.
1:12:22
But yeah, and and the amount of content.
1:12:23
That we had the amount of things happening.
1:12:25
Once they were back was just like bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
1:12:27
So we get events and stuff and you don't break us at all.
1:12:30
Because imagine being BTS and actually living that life.
1:12:32
It's just back and forth and back and forth.
1:12:34
But yeah, I do remember that the encore was around Halloween
1:12:38
because I think I made a joke with my friends where he was
1:12:40
like, hey guys, are we doing anything with Halloween?
1:12:42
And they're like, Oh no, I'm like, I'm tired.
1:12:44
And he was like, oh, we cannot do something with Halloween.
1:12:47
So he was just like, I know what we can do.
1:12:50
And so he just went back on his word and just, yeah, just
1:12:54
continued July. Yeah, yes.
1:12:57
I also wanted to point out. I thought it was very funny
1:13:00
where like Jin was pointing out how like big and buff everyone
1:13:03
had gotten and he's like flex his arm.
1:13:05
He's like look, I was working out too.
1:13:07
And then Jim and go and squeeze his bicep.
1:13:08
He's like, wow, there's nothing there.
1:13:11
Oh my God, Jin's arm was huge to.
1:13:14
Me, I thought they were huge, but also the other guys were.
1:13:18
Pretty big because we have to remember Jin was like out for at
1:13:21
least a year before the others so we had time to like slim down
1:13:25
but yeah no I mean like compared at the time to like Tay and John
1:13:29
cook like they were huge okay must they were still they were
1:13:33
still beefcakes yeah and we. We appreciate them.
1:13:37
Yeah, yeah. So yes, we also.
1:13:40
Move on with the scene to the members sitting out bag it
1:13:43
consists of Nam, Jin, Jin, Hobie and Tay and Jen is kind of like
1:13:47
asking them how the progress is going.
1:13:49
Nam tune and Yugi are explaining how like they have a basic
1:13:52
structure for the album but like nothing is finalized.
1:13:55
They haven't even picked the lead single.
1:13:57
They don't know a concept no like dances and they've been
1:14:00
stuck in a rut for about a week. So then after letting him know,
1:14:04
and I also like how Tay was trying to lighten up the mood,
1:14:06
like after them being stuck in a in a run, he's like, well, at
1:14:09
least the view was nice. Look at the city of LA and the
1:14:12
sunset. Yeah, let's put this in
1:14:14
perspective, shall we guys? Like we're.
1:14:16
We're in a mansion, we're in LA. Our military service is done.
1:14:20
And look at that view. And, you know, I agree with, you
1:14:22
know, always, always look on the bright side.
1:14:25
Exactly. I do appreciate him saying that
1:14:27
because he's like, well, listen. Route I was going to say they
1:14:31
could have been stuck in the military still.
1:14:32
They could have been stuck in office building in Korea.
1:14:35
Like, at least they were out in the sunshine with the beach and
1:14:38
the warm weather. Yeah.
1:14:39
So, I mean, he wasn't wrong. Yeah, they get they get to lock
1:14:42
them up in those hype recording studios.
1:14:44
And looked on the outside. I was like, don't come out until
1:14:47
you have an album. So I said they were like, no,
1:14:49
we'll get you a mansion and we'll just, we'll chill.
1:14:50
I was like, yeah, quite right, quite right.
1:14:53
Exactly So after. That we also jumped to a seat
1:14:57
where Namji's in the car. I'm assuming they're heading to
1:14:59
the studio starts talking. I was actually surprised I'm
1:15:01
doing was talking a lot of English and this as well, like
1:15:05
expressing his feelings and everything in English.
1:15:07
But he starts talking about how BTS are blessed to still be
1:15:09
around for as long as they have 12 years and you know, just
1:15:13
gives like a brief K pop artists, you know, their
1:15:15
lifespan as like, you know, being a group is very short
1:15:19
lived. Not even just a group like you
1:15:21
know there are some like K pop idols who go off to do their own
1:15:24
thing but sometimes even that like it's still short lived like
1:15:28
he was saying. Now I don't know and this has to
1:15:31
be a question for someone who has been in K pop longer and you
1:15:34
don't have a weird hatred towards BTS.
1:15:37
Because when I say this is going to wrong people the wrong way.
1:15:39
I don't know if BTS is truly is the longest K pop group that's
1:15:43
still active meaning no members have left.
1:15:46
They didn't do any type of member switches throughout their
1:15:49
career at all. So they have the original lineup
1:15:51
since the beginning. I know in their generation 2013
1:15:54
of idols that debut, they are the only one standing, but I
1:15:58
also mean like no member changes, no members leaving.
1:16:01
They haven't gone on like a really long like three to five
1:16:04
year hiatus of like not putting any group music out or like
1:16:08
reforming the group later for like any type of reunion
1:16:11
specials. So I don't know any other group
1:16:15
like that. I mean, I don't have, I don't
1:16:17
have a full sense of like which ones there might.
1:16:19
Be the one that does come to mind kind of circling back to
1:16:22
when I talked about my origins with getting into into BTS is
1:16:26
shiny. So that but obviously the
1:16:27
conditions of that is it's not like a member left it's
1:16:30
unfortunately pass away. So I suppose when you do on that
1:16:34
basis, I suppose like Big Bang, but then Big Bang did take that
1:16:37
long break. So yeah, in terms of having the
1:16:40
continual, I'm a mini breakdown like like BTS having done a
1:16:43
hiatus, like I think you exempt military service, which is
1:16:46
obviously a lot need to take that pause because it is
1:16:48
mandatory. Umm, outside of that BTS is like
1:16:51
hiatus or like breaks have been like only only a couple months,
1:16:55
you know, long. So, yeah, they have they've been
1:16:57
going like I think that that I think it is probably accurate
1:17:00
that in terms of from start to finish like and just continual
1:17:03
flow including military. They I think I think he would be
1:17:07
right on that because all the other like second Gen. groups
1:17:10
that I know of that might predict them, they have been
1:17:13
disbanded and created other spin off groups or they have had
1:17:16
members leave and members join. Yeah.
1:17:19
So I'm just going to think that sounds.
1:17:21
Pretty accurate, whether people want to accept that or not.
1:17:24
Like it's true. And then he also talks about how
1:17:27
he was. Talking with.
1:17:29
Their chairman, Bong PD, you know, they don't really have,
1:17:32
like, a framework or reference for them to really go off based
1:17:35
off their careers because of that situation.
1:17:37
There's a lot of, like, experimenting going on and,
1:17:39
like, trying to find out what really makes them special and,
1:17:42
like, what makes them work as a group.
1:17:44
And I know at first when I was watching this, I kind of thought
1:17:47
Namtu was talking about when he had said, like, what makes them
1:17:50
special, what makes them work. Thought he was talking about,
1:17:52
like, the process of, like, an album and like, how they work
1:17:54
together as a group for the album.
1:17:56
But then I kind of realized second watch, he meant like BTS
1:18:00
as a whole. Yeah, so then we get into like a
1:18:04
kind of small montage of BTS in the studio, either working on
1:18:08
the music or I put goofing around.
1:18:11
But like, it was probably just like being distracted because I
1:18:14
didn't know what to really do. I also love if people, you know,
1:18:19
don't know this. The music they were playing
1:18:21
during that montage was from their first Japanese album
1:18:25
called Wake Up, and it's the intro called Wake Up.
1:18:27
I actually use that as my alarm clock when I first got into BTS.
1:18:30
It's a great way to wake up guys because they're screaming at you
1:18:32
to wake up, so it's perfect. But during this also, Nom Dream
1:18:37
talks about how once they're done with LA, they're going to
1:18:39
go back to Korea. And when they do, that's when
1:18:42
they're going to do like all the final mixing for the songs they
1:18:44
choose as well as, you know, like everything else that comes
1:18:46
with the album, like the photos to go along with the theming and
1:18:50
all that for the long waited comeback and how they promised,
1:18:53
you know, the fans that they would come back, which is what
1:18:56
they're doing. They also discussed how time
1:18:58
feels like it's running out because they only had two weeks
1:19:01
left in LA at that time and it felt like they weren't going
1:19:04
anywhere with the progress. And we see that during the
1:19:07
recording session. Shout out my man P dog.
1:19:10
I really enjoyed, you know, that scene that we got with him
1:19:13
working with Jim and I love P dog.
1:19:15
Okay, I know nothing about this man.
1:19:17
I don't need to know anything. But like all of my a lot of my
1:19:20
favorite songs, he's always in the credits.
1:19:22
So if I see him in the credits, I know it's going to be a
1:19:25
beggar. He's been with them literally
1:19:26
since the beginning. So obviously they trust his
1:19:29
creative direction that they, you know, he leads them to and
1:19:33
all that. Yeah.
1:19:34
So yeah, I saw someone say on Twitter they were like, you
1:19:36
know, there's a there's a lot of very.
1:19:37
Big name producers in here, but like let's not forget LLP dogs.
1:19:40
He's the OG. He is like and he he's still
1:19:43
just like so many years on. He's just so you just their
1:19:46
relationship, you could tell is just so strong.
1:19:47
Like he is able to just really get to, he gives direction for
1:19:51
what he needs to do and they get it so well like that just yeah.
1:19:54
Dream team. I love seeing Pee Dog every
1:19:56
time. I love seeing any of the OG big
1:19:59
hit team that I've been with them from the beginning.
1:20:00
You just felt like there's so much more comfortable and
1:20:03
there's so much more. There's yeah, just so much more
1:20:05
copacetic with that team. But yeah, shout to Pee Dog.
1:20:08
He's fabulous. Not out the pee dog.
1:20:11
And we also. Do like get a chance to like see
1:20:14
them working on songs that like didn't make the album as well?
1:20:17
Like there's a point where I think Tay's in the recording
1:20:19
booth. Like you obviously can hear the
1:20:21
song and we don't know what song it is because it didn't make it
1:20:24
the album. But I thought that was
1:20:25
interesting and nice to that we got to also be introduced at
1:20:28
songs and then make the cut. You also have to wonder, like,
1:20:32
you know, what those songs would have sound like if they chosen
1:20:34
them and like made the final cut and all that.
1:20:36
So very interesting. Or like maybe why they didn't
1:20:40
choose them as well. I also do want to mention
1:20:43
something briefly because I do remember I think Shannon had
1:20:45
read this too. There was a Vulture article that
1:20:47
had came out of like someone who had watched the documentary
1:20:51
beforehand and was like kind of giving a sneak peek of what to
1:20:54
expect. And that article.
1:20:56
Now, watching the documentary was very misleading because
1:20:58
there was a point when people kind of took something and spin
1:21:01
it where at the beginning when they're in the studio, Jin
1:21:04
talked about like how exhausted he was and like was questioning
1:21:06
why he was there. And like, Tay was agreeing with
1:21:09
him. And now that I've seen the
1:21:10
scene, it obviously meant he was exhausted because they were
1:21:14
sitting there listening to music all day and Tay was obviously
1:21:17
trying to cheer him up. Like, I don't know, obviously
1:21:20
because there's been edits, Like, I don't know if like Jen
1:21:22
had time to record that day or because they're all there.
1:21:26
Like he's just listening to like the producers and like Yungi and
1:21:28
all them just trying to mix and match music to the point where
1:21:31
like they're kind of going insane from hearing the same
1:21:33
notes over and over and over. Like there's just so many
1:21:36
possibilities. We don't know what happened that
1:21:38
day, but like to make it seem like, you know, he was tired of
1:21:42
like questioning why he was there as far as like, what's his
1:21:44
part as a member? Like, OK, that's not what
1:21:48
happened. It's very telling, isn't it,
1:21:50
when you? Decontextualize something and
1:21:52
you like break it down into like what?
1:21:53
This is what happened to this is what people said.
1:21:55
Like it's actually when you put it in, as soon as you put it
1:21:58
into contact of that scene, I was immediately reminded of what
1:22:01
it's like when you're on a film set, when you're on, when you're
1:22:04
on anything that needs that may or may not need your
1:22:07
participation. It is like hurry up and wait.
1:22:09
You can be stuck around for hours and hours in case you're
1:22:12
needed. And I think like, at the stage
1:22:14
that they were out with the album, they'd already laid down
1:22:16
a few things. And like we said, Jin came later
1:22:18
because of the tour. So it may have been we might
1:22:20
need you here to lay down some vocals, but we might also not
1:22:23
need you. And so, yeah, you are sat around
1:22:25
for a long time just in case you're needed.
1:22:27
And it's a very normal thing. And you're just like, I'm a bit
1:22:31
bored. I'm a bit tired.
1:22:32
I'd rather be asleep right now. But I get it.
1:22:34
It's part of the process. But yeah, I agree that Vulture
1:22:36
article, which I'm sure will come on to of a couple of the
1:22:38
other things the Vulture article did that I think was a little
1:22:40
bit disingenuous of them. It was definitely, it definitely
1:22:45
set up a bit more concerned than I think was necessary as we get
1:22:49
into the documentary. Yeah.
1:22:51
So yes, after that we switch. Over to a scene where they're
1:22:55
eating dinner. I'm assuming Yugi already went
1:22:57
to bed because he left. So he either went out to do
1:22:59
something or he went to bed. I'm pretty sure he went to bed
1:23:01
and Namjoo came down later, which I think was later revealed
1:23:05
he was coming down to eat dinner later because he was so, you
1:23:09
know, stuck it either in his room or somewhere trying to
1:23:12
write these lyrics. We know how he gets.
1:23:13
If you've ever watched any other content of them, a great example
1:23:17
of that is like Bon Voyage season 4, when he was, you know,
1:23:21
in the trailer trying to write the lyrics and they had to drag
1:23:25
him out and give him a tiny potato to peel, to calm his, to,
1:23:29
like, make his mind stop racing. So that's just a great example
1:23:33
of how he gets so, like, focused on something but also drives his
1:23:37
brain crazy. Yeah.
1:23:39
Tiny potato. June, we love you.
1:23:41
We. Do we love you so much?
1:23:43
Tae Young mentions. That they're really trying to
1:23:45
like challenge themselves with this album with being like
1:23:48
experimental, trying something new and trying to evolve as
1:23:52
well. But then, you know, he also does
1:23:53
question if they've changed musically.
1:23:56
You have Nam tune and Jungkook like reassure him.
1:23:59
They both kind of state like, you know, this album already
1:24:02
sounds like very different than anything they put out in their
1:24:04
past music. J Hope also states that he
1:24:07
doesn't feel under pressure or stress, but what he is stressed
1:24:10
about is like wanting to make music freely, but at the same
1:24:13
time feeling like all this systematic and like working in a
1:24:16
factory. I will come back to that.
1:24:19
This is what I was talking about a little bit earlier, something
1:24:21
that Hobie had mentioned because this goes into one of the
1:24:25
discussions we will have later when they're talking to one of
1:24:27
the executives that we all know by name, or at least the fans
1:24:31
do. Jimin states that it's because
1:24:33
they've been out of the game for so long through the military.
1:24:36
Also due to the military, like you know, again, a lot of things
1:24:40
happen oddly in like the two. I mean, I want to say 2 years
1:24:44
when they are officially enlisted.
1:24:46
But if you think about it, it didn't really put out any new
1:24:49
music since 2022 aside from Take Two, but that was recorded like
1:24:55
a lot earlier when it was released.
1:24:57
So way before they left. Nam Jun talks about how he feels
1:25:01
pressured and then like Jim and quotes of things they've
1:25:04
probably seen online or heard people saying like BTS is not as
1:25:08
good as expected. They're over, I guess.
1:25:10
And he wants to hear like, no, I don't know if this is due to
1:25:13
translation because like when I hear this phrase like is built
1:25:16
different, that means something differently in context.
1:25:18
But he said he wants to hear people say BTS is built
1:25:21
different. So I'm assuming and Korean that
1:25:23
means it's a good thing. But then Jen kind of like ends
1:25:26
that conversation stating like, as long as like they're happy
1:25:29
and the fans are happy with the final results, that's kind of
1:25:31
all he cares about. I think we're so used to them
1:25:35
just being. Happily in the studio and this
1:25:38
is like one of the first times to we're really seeing like them
1:25:42
talk about the pressures that they're feeling, especially
1:25:46
coming out of the military. Like we have all our
1:25:50
expectations as army. We're excited.
1:25:53
We have thoughts and feelings that we were putting out into
1:25:55
the universe and we're well aware that they know what we're
1:25:59
feeling because some of them are chronically online and they were
1:26:04
probably aware too. So that was probably feeding a
1:26:06
lot into their own anxieties. But I think too Jin's comment
1:26:12
of, you know, as long as the fans are happy and we're happy,
1:26:15
that's all that matters. I think that's the main thing
1:26:18
that we as Army also want. We want them happy, but we want
1:26:23
to be happy too. And I think that's the one thing
1:26:25
that they have to keep remembering throughout, like
1:26:28
even the tour and stuff. As long as they're feeling happy
1:26:32
and healthy and Army is too, I think that's what's going to
1:26:36
matter the most because at the end of the day, like there is
1:26:39
always going to critics and things like that that want to
1:26:43
make their comments known, but it is about just their happiness
1:26:47
at this point. You know, like to like they are
1:26:50
the most, they're the ones performing.
1:26:53
And I do. I love Jin's philosophy though,
1:26:55
like his philosophy has always been one.
1:26:58
And he does bring the group some positivity in his own way
1:27:02
because there are a lot of members like as we just reading
1:27:05
these quotes that are very real in their thoughts and some more
1:27:10
negative than others. And I guess in my mind, I always
1:27:14
knew that was a reality that some of them were more jaded in
1:27:19
some ways than others, especially those that are the
1:27:22
more producer oriented like rap line.
1:27:26
But they're saying to me is not shocking, but vocal line.
1:27:30
To have some of those doubts is kind of surprising in a way
1:27:34
because they seem to be the members that, like, are shiny,
1:27:38
you know, like, they're like, they're shiny.
1:27:40
And having Tay, you know, even say, like he has these doubts.
1:27:43
It's like kind of like made me sad because I'm like, wow.
1:27:46
Like the system really is doing its thing.
1:27:50
And sometimes I can see why groups don't want to continue,
1:27:54
like they're battling things of a reality of artists that have
1:27:59
been there for longer. So I think it was just like an
1:28:03
important thing to show, at least for my eyes anyways.
1:28:09
So then we're going to move on. We get another, you know, drunk
1:28:12
up to a scene. They're in a theatre room and it
1:28:15
seems like they're going over like old clips of them, like
1:28:17
performing dance practices behind the scenes footage.
1:28:20
And it literally goes like all the way down the debut.
1:28:23
And I wonder what that's like for them.
1:28:24
Like, you know, I bet it's such an odd feeling to, like,
1:28:27
literally have all this footage of, like, watching you grow up
1:28:31
because, you know, like, some people, you keep that privately,
1:28:33
but like, you had millions of people watching you literally
1:28:36
grow up. So I also just wonder, like,
1:28:39
what comes to their mind when they're watching that footage
1:28:41
of, like, maybe certain memories that they have that like, we
1:28:44
will never know about. So that was just what I was
1:28:46
thinking about when I watched that.
1:28:47
It was also funny because now I'm going to start playing that
1:28:49
saxophone. And I guess he started playing
1:28:51
one of the military songs. They all started groaning and
1:28:53
drunk screaming. I'm triggered.
1:28:57
So if you think you're a trigger cheetah, imagine for them.
1:29:00
Yeah, and it was so funny. I'm like, oh, we do that to
1:29:04
them. Which to say Nam June, you said
1:29:08
you were in a. Play as music on the saxophone.
1:29:10
Where is that? He said I'll play for you guys
1:29:13
and he never did so I think that songs Nam June.
1:29:16
I mean, we might get a little song songwriting, little the
1:29:20
song breakdown and still do that live because that and if there's
1:29:24
a little sex in the corner, then we know we've got to do in the
1:29:27
comments just. Crank it out and give us
1:29:29
careless, whisper Namjin. That's right, exactly.
1:29:32
But don't hold on to that wish too long.
1:29:33
Because, you know, he just be. Saying things sometimes and then
1:29:36
also during the montage of like them watching the last concert,
1:29:40
we also get like a voice over of like the Festa dinner, which
1:29:43
many people see in many different ways.
1:29:46
Also have an episode of that back in 2022 I did with Macy.
1:29:50
We talked about proof of the Festa dinner.
1:29:52
Go listen to that guys. But he was basically talking
1:29:55
about when he first started to make music, he wanted to say
1:29:58
something to the world. But the K pop system with this
1:30:01
constant output of content, he started losing sense of who they
1:30:04
are as a team and how, you know, he felt guilty even admitting
1:30:08
that out loud. So I do remember that
1:30:10
distinctly. You know, they also saw the part
1:30:12
where like, he was crying, which we rarely, rarely see that man
1:30:16
cry. So if he was crying, you know,
1:30:18
it was serious. I'm Yungi crying because he was
1:30:21
crying. Like that was why.
1:30:22
The that was why the Fester didn't know that whole want to
1:30:25
watch trauma. I know you didn't get in his
1:30:27
head shaved, but that that was I have not watched that probably
1:30:30
since 2022 and it was yeah, in the words of JK, I'm triggered
1:30:35
again. That was.
1:30:35
Another point where I was like bawling my eyes out.
1:30:39
I'm like, no, yeah, let me just go on my phone and.
1:30:43
Mute it and just just let it. Just look at him crying like if
1:30:47
I see that man that his scrunched.
1:30:49
Up little face. I just will lose my shit.
1:30:53
Yeah, yeah. And also he's so guilty, as he
1:30:55
was saying. It that he's like, I'm so sorry,
1:30:57
but I just don't have like my well is dry and I'm just and
1:31:02
then Hobie was drunk, crying. Listen it.
1:31:05
Was a whole mess that dinner. Yeah, it was.
1:31:09
And again like. I told you at the beginning,
1:31:11
we're past that. Now it's a brand new day.
1:31:14
OK, this time is finally bright. It's true.
1:31:18
And. So we.
1:31:18
See the hill heading. To the studio.
1:31:21
Another car they there's a lot of car shots.
1:31:24
I realized in this. So he talks about how Jimin had
1:31:28
made a comment that night about why do they feel like an and I
1:31:32
can't talk. I can't say this word.
1:31:34
Inexplicable, yes. Paying in their heart every time
1:31:37
they talk about BTS. Hobey stated that the
1:31:40
tenderness, like deep longing and like the moments that move
1:31:43
their heart because they all share that together is probably
1:31:46
honestly why the reason they're still a team.
1:31:49
And then we cut to Yungi passing by a theater where they held
1:31:52
their first concert in LA during the filming of American House of
1:31:55
Life about 11 years ago. And then he also talked about
1:31:58
how music is a way to document who he is in that phase of his
1:32:02
life. He also talked about how we wish
1:32:04
they had a clear theme for this album.
1:32:07
Now, before I go on, Shannon, have you ever watched American
1:32:11
House of Life, like from beginning to end and not not
1:32:14
want to watch it because of the, you know, beginning scenes of
1:32:17
like the kidnapping, which I know people have problems with
1:32:21
or just like it is crazy. Like, come on, let's be honest,
1:32:24
it is. But have you watched it?
1:32:26
I've seen I've seen various clips put together, but I
1:32:29
definitely. Haven't watched like every
1:32:30
episode from start to finish. And yeah, I don't really, I know
1:32:34
how impactful it was for their journey.
1:32:36
So I have seen like those kind of necessary clips.
1:32:38
But yeah, I mean, I've seen, I've seen, I've seen bits and
1:32:41
pieces. But.
1:32:42
But yeah, it was it was definitely interesting watching
1:32:44
them go back and, yeah, be in front of the the theater.
1:32:48
The one clip I have seen over and over was the ones of them
1:32:51
handing Flyers out to their performance to their very first
1:32:54
concert. So yeah, yeah.
1:32:57
So this is really, yeah, a lot of nostalgia in there, but yeah,
1:33:00
OK. I was just wondering because I
1:33:02
actually showed the whole thing to Gina.
1:33:04
And I know I've changed her perspective on that.
1:33:07
What I did and actually watching the whole thing, I think again
1:33:11
it. Was a context thing.
1:33:12
You see the clips that you see and it makes it paints it in one
1:33:17
way. But when you actually watch the
1:33:19
whole thing, it really does put into perspective like their
1:33:24
roots, like where they learned to appreciate the things that
1:33:28
they appreciate. And yes, there are cringe
1:33:30
things. But I do think that like when it
1:33:33
comes down to their work ethic and their understanding, I do
1:33:36
think it plays a really big part and of their journey and it
1:33:42
being in America again, it was a learning experience for them.
1:33:46
They had to feel some discomfort and and adapt.
1:33:51
And I think I think it was a worthwhile watch, but it is a
1:33:56
show of its time. Like things have obviously
1:33:59
changed now and things like that.
1:34:01
But I think to who they met from like the hip hop roots to was
1:34:06
important. Like there were actually some
1:34:08
Nuggets of wisdom that artists gave to them that I think stuck
1:34:12
with them. And I and I'd love that.
1:34:15
I do. I did love that, yeah.
1:34:18
It was worth it for me. Yeah, I think, I think I will
1:34:21
watch it. Like it's not like I have been a
1:34:22
version. To watch it because I think it's
1:34:24
cringe like you said, I've heard it spoke about many times.
1:34:26
I think the one, the one take away that I know from it is the
1:34:28
fact that they, and again, I said like the the whole show
1:34:32
was, I mean, it's pretty experimental because one, they
1:34:36
this, this is a time when Big Hit was not hype.
1:34:38
Big Hit did not have the funding.
1:34:40
They you could. It's reflected in the way that
1:34:42
it's filmed and the whole operation behind it.
1:34:44
It is handheld cameras and a small team like getting together
1:34:47
for it. And I think like it's, it's like
1:34:50
representative. I think of it's almost like
1:34:52
managing like we're in the back on it is like, I think you
1:34:56
really managed like that already.
1:34:57
BT s s expectations. Because when you think about
1:35:00
what the landscape was like back then when Big Hit was in
1:35:03
comparison to the original Big Three labels, there were groups
1:35:06
that were debuting under those Big three labels that had a lot
1:35:09
more freedom and a lot more ways to get themselves elevated to
1:35:12
the top and a lot more opportunities.
1:35:14
Whereas I think really what they tried to work on with BTS in
1:35:17
those early days, I was humbling them and letting them know that
1:35:20
this is going to be really hard graft.
1:35:22
This is not going to be, you know, you you're not with a
1:35:24
label that can get you in that, you know, your debut on the TV
1:35:28
show. We can't get that for you.
1:35:29
But we can do is we can drop you in, in a circumstance we can get
1:35:32
people to give you, you know, some advice and give you their
1:35:34
time and just let you decide how much energy and and effort you
1:35:39
put into this. And I think yeah, like early,
1:35:41
early BTS, they were, they were very hungry, but I think they
1:35:45
also had their there was there was some like, you know, hard
1:35:48
hitting realities there. I think, you know, but I think
1:35:50
going into that they knew. But it definitely, I think there
1:35:53
was no escaping like they were in for a very hard road.
1:35:55
And I think that those foundations and have been set up
1:35:58
for that is what gave them the endurance to overcome so many
1:36:00
barriers that got them to where they are now.
1:36:02
I think if they didn't have that at the beginning to get them to
1:36:05
get that fire lit in them. I don't know if like the many
1:36:09
challenges they faced in the in the years that followed, if they
1:36:12
would have been so determined and so unified as a group to go
1:36:16
just one, just another one just to just to knock down in front
1:36:19
of us. And they were young.
1:36:21
They were young and it showed. And it, I thought it was good
1:36:25
for them though, because some of the artists really did lay into
1:36:28
them and say, no, you that's not going to work like that's if you
1:36:33
want to extend your life in this music business, you really have
1:36:38
to lay eyes up in some ways. And I like that because it is
1:36:42
it, it is a tough business. Music and entertainment is hard.
1:36:46
And I, I don't know, I think I think you should give it a
1:36:49
watch. I would love to hear your
1:36:51
perspective. And I'm going to say something
1:36:52
too, not to make both feel uncomfortable, but I.
1:36:54
Have to say it because it actually goes into the next
1:36:57
little segment. It's just all so funny and I
1:37:00
just don't know if it's because of the way time has progressed.
1:37:03
American House of Life for me, especially as a black person, it
1:37:08
really showed like if they were like, OK, if you're going to do
1:37:11
this hip hop thing, actually learn it from the people hip hop
1:37:15
came from. Learn it from the black people
1:37:18
that created it. You actually, they actually do
1:37:20
like a small like history, like a game history of like certain
1:37:24
events that happen in hip hop that teaches them not just like,
1:37:28
oh, this is hip hop and this is hip hop dance.
1:37:30
Like no, actually explaining to them the history, the people
1:37:35
behind it, giving them all that context.
1:37:38
You know, back when Big kid wasn't afraid to show that BTS
1:37:41
and black people have a connection.
1:37:43
Because this goes into the very controversial Audie dog
1:37:48
animation that had Cape out because we get a seed.
1:37:52
Where because they didn't have a theme, they were just completely
1:37:56
stuck of like what they wanted to present, especially for the
1:37:58
comeback. That woman that works there, I
1:38:00
forgot. I think they show her title and
1:38:03
her name is You think it's Beong Lee how you pronounce it?
1:38:06
I'm not really sure, but they get them to the studio in LA and
1:38:10
she introduces them the story of Adi Dong talking about how a
1:38:14
group of Korean. Now, I don't know if they were
1:38:16
all men because if you look at the picture and I haven't deep
1:38:20
dive into the articles that I have for when we talk about the
1:38:23
album because I'm going to bring this up again when I actually
1:38:25
talk about the album with Lala and our other guests as well.
1:38:28
Just for us being, you know, black and people of color.
1:38:31
But she I don't think they were all men because it looks like in
1:38:35
the picture there was a woman behind them.
1:38:37
They say men, but I don't know if they were all men, but
1:38:40
they're just Korean people that, you know, from the Jones dynasty
1:38:44
back in 1896, came to America, received an education.
1:38:47
It's kind of all she really talks about.
1:38:50
Obviously talks about like the history of like Adi Dong for
1:38:52
what it does for Korean people, what it means to them and that
1:38:56
they recorded it in, you know, America as well as like the
1:38:59
woman who helped them record it. But it's also like, I guess as
1:39:05
an American, sometimes I think it's just our country where
1:39:09
like, we don't get like the full story of like a lot of things on
1:39:12
our history. And that's just because, you
1:39:14
know, no one wants to, like, go on to death of like how terrible
1:39:16
slavery was. I don't know at this point if it
1:39:19
would change anything or not. But they try to hide A lot from
1:39:21
us for that specific reason to not make changes.
1:39:24
But I guess watching them, I also didn't realize, like with
1:39:27
audio Dong, like they didn't know that they were generally
1:39:29
surprised because when she was talking about the story, like
1:39:32
Nam Tuna asked the question when she's like, you know, what song
1:39:34
this is? And he's like, what song is it?
1:39:36
And then Jimin brought up Audio Dong.
1:39:38
Like, they didn't know that history behind, you know, the
1:39:42
story and the creation of it being recorded for the first
1:39:45
time. So I just thought that was very
1:39:47
interesting. And now it kind of shows into
1:39:49
that animation. But at the same time, it's kind
1:39:52
of like, I get this album is about them, but it's also one of
1:39:57
those things where it's like, you still could have at least
1:40:00
told them the history because there's a significance of why
1:40:05
those Korean men were able to get to America.
1:40:08
Like they would not have been accepted anywhere else if it was
1:40:11
not for Howard, especially being a university.
1:40:15
That accepted not only freed slaves and black people but
1:40:17
opened their doors to other races, especially down that
1:40:22
time. That was like what I think
1:40:24
someone said seven years after slavery officially got abolished
1:40:28
heading into Jim Crow era where like those Korean men would have
1:40:31
been looked at as you know, colored, call them colored back
1:40:34
then. So it's black people, other
1:40:36
derogatory names for us and colored way before civil rights
1:40:40
movement that then happened till 1964.
1:40:43
So and, and I think that's telling too, that.
1:40:47
Even their country is not educating people.
1:40:51
You know what I'm saying? Like in in if they didn't even
1:40:54
know the history of Ariang, then I don't know.
1:40:59
It's just other countries also have education gaps, apparently.
1:41:04
Yeah. I mean, I can speak from the
1:41:06
context of someone. Who is he?
1:41:07
Isn't in the USII know about the history of Howard because I've
1:41:13
watched over the years, like various documentaries that have
1:41:16
like mentioned Howard, But I think it is one of those things
1:41:19
that like it's absolutely a part of the original, like our round
1:41:23
seven story, but it's it's one of those details that I think
1:41:27
definitely has a lot of impact within an American context.
1:41:31
And so I can kind of see how it's wasn't like a point of
1:41:35
like, Oh, and to top it off, like it was at Howard University
1:41:39
where like, you know, it was, you know, the only, it was one
1:41:42
of the only that's the accepted people that were, you know, not
1:41:45
white. And I think that, yeah, I mean,
1:41:47
I know that the, you know, the, the conversation is still
1:41:49
ongoing about the, the animation.
1:41:51
And I know a lot of people, particularly, you know, like,
1:41:52
like black armies are still feeling like the hurt from
1:41:55
feeling that exclusion. I think like the way that I sort
1:41:58
of reflects on it and, you know, the weight of my opinion is
1:42:01
obviously different as a as a white woman without not
1:42:03
personally affected by that. But you know, BTS are not the
1:42:06
team that created that animation.
1:42:08
They aren't the ones who were responsible for putting it out.
1:42:10
And so their lack of education on that specific personal thing,
1:42:14
like ultimately, I I put the I put, I put the accountability at
1:42:17
the door of the team that put that together is just being able
1:42:20
to do just a little bit of research and just a small touch
1:42:23
up to to that would have made everyone happy.
1:42:25
And it is just a yeah, just a crying showing that that that
1:42:28
didn't happen in that sense. But I think also like a lot of
1:42:31
people, I think can make the assumption that like, I think it
1:42:34
was what was interesting is, is the fact that watching that the
1:42:37
Adeline like concepts didn't come from BTS.
1:42:40
It was pitched to them by the creative team.
1:42:44
And I think that's something that people can can sometimes
1:42:46
assume with BTS is because they're so hands on with their
1:42:50
work that every kind of idea is comes from them.
1:42:53
But actually like, no, like they were, they were struggling.
1:42:56
They didn't really know like what to match it.
1:42:58
And the idea of, you know, joining up this idea of, you
1:43:02
know, Korean legacy and, you know, a song that represents
1:43:06
like longing. And then it has this like real,
1:43:08
like deep untranslatable Korean element to it.
1:43:13
It it didn't actually come from them.
1:43:14
You could tell. I think they were really like
1:43:16
into it and really enthusiastic. And that was what helped things
1:43:19
come together. But yeah, the original idea, it
1:43:21
was a it was a corporate business pitch from a creative
1:43:23
team of hype. And I think that that is the
1:43:25
reality of how a lot of this stuff gets made.
1:43:27
So as of a lot of things, this documentary, I think it was a
1:43:29
really good insight for both armies and completely new fans
1:43:33
to to understand how this album came to be.
1:43:35
Yeah, I mean, I had other issues with that animation too.
1:43:39
Because not only just like the historical part of it with like
1:43:41
when it comes to America and black people, and of course
1:43:44
there's going to be people telling me like your, your
1:43:47
history is not the only history. I know that.
1:43:49
But I also feel like it discredits BT s s legacy that
1:43:52
they were trying to portray or try to highlight so much with
1:43:56
this theme. Because even in the animation,
1:43:58
not only the inaccuracy of like Howard and like the students
1:44:00
that actually went there in the representation of them, it
1:44:03
discredits his BTS to me. It discredits their hard work
1:44:06
because they weren't super popular.
1:44:09
Like right out. The gate because it shows them
1:44:11
on the stage like performing wings in 2013.
1:44:14
I'm like, no, like Shannon had just mentioned when we were
1:44:17
talking about American House of life, like the company was not
1:44:20
in good standing. Like and if you also watch their
1:44:22
documentary on Disney plus, they talked about after because you
1:44:26
know when they were doing American House of life, that's
1:44:28
when they were recording dark and wild and how they had to
1:44:31
make a pivot because the album sales were so bad.
1:44:35
And this was way before like they did a bigger push outside
1:44:38
of a Korea and into the West. Obviously, I'm sure there's some
1:44:42
people like foreigners who are into K pop listening to them,
1:44:45
but like it's not the way that it is now.
1:44:48
And it just doesn't show that connection of like the
1:44:50
collaboration that we see heavily in this album with like
1:44:54
outside producers and everything and the people that help them,
1:44:57
like with American Hustle life, get them to where they are now.
1:45:01
That's just one thing I, you know, I wish I would have seen
1:45:04
that more because I did have like an expectation differently
1:45:07
of this documentary as a whole. Like I was expecting to see more
1:45:10
of a breakdown of like how they picked each song or like the
1:45:14
recording of each song. I would have loved to seem like
1:45:16
again, working with Black people, our guests will tell us
1:45:20
more of like the actual black people credited on this album,
1:45:23
but it's like you had one of the most respected hip hop producers
1:45:27
on there Mike Will made. I would have loved to have seen,
1:45:30
I know it's probably like a company thing, they reached out
1:45:32
to him, but I would have loved to see like the re interactions
1:45:35
if he was there recording with you guys, like how that came to
1:45:38
be, how that collaboration came to be.
1:45:40
I did see there was 1 scene where I guess there was you
1:45:43
know, 1 black guy in the studio helping them guy, but I just
1:45:45
would have liked to see that a little bit more.
1:45:47
Kind of like the scene that we saw with P Dog and Jimin, if
1:45:51
that makes sense. No, I agree with that.
1:45:53
I also and we'll talk a. Little bit, even seeing Nam Jun
1:45:57
with the lyricist that he was working with, I loved that.
1:46:01
I loved their conversation. And I was like, I really wish
1:46:05
that there would have been more sessions like that where it
1:46:08
showed them working with these people and trying to form some
1:46:13
kind of like, you know, correlations with their own
1:46:16
lives because obviously he was struggling with that and she was
1:46:19
helping. I was like, I want more of that
1:46:21
because I think those collaborative sessions are what
1:46:25
make BTS who they are because it, like you said, it started
1:46:29
with American Hustle life and it has just gone on gone like
1:46:32
continued. And I think showing that would
1:46:35
have been so much better. But you know, I mean, that's the
1:46:39
only thing. But we can.
1:46:41
Go ahead and move on. Like I said, I'll talk more
1:46:43
about the animation again when we talk about the album.
1:46:46
So, you know, we're back into the studio after they all
1:46:48
decided to go along with the theme for Adirong.
1:46:51
They're in like another session basically.
1:46:54
I don't know if this is the same woman who pitched it to them.
1:46:56
I hear her voice but I don't like see her face.
1:46:59
So they didn't show her name again.
1:47:01
So I'm assuming it's her asking them like how the progress is
1:47:03
going, how they did choose 14 songs and that at the time Body
1:47:08
to body is confirmed to actually be on the album.
1:47:11
And the company wants Adirong like the actual one of the
1:47:15
recordings. It's not like the original
1:47:17
recording. It's like one of the renditions
1:47:19
of it where there's women singing, but they want a sample
1:47:23
of that song into, you know, one of the songs and they chose body
1:47:27
to body to do it. Normal has also been confirmed
1:47:30
and they can start writing lyrics on that, which Gina
1:47:33
mentioned a little bit, but we'll get into later and then
1:47:37
more discourse. So kind of like what Shannon was
1:47:40
talking about with the companies, this is when Yungi
1:47:42
had actually brought up how they want to add more Korean lyrics
1:47:45
into the songs, especially on the rap verses.
1:47:49
And then Nam June does add that it would be appropriate more
1:47:52
like add extra sense of authenticity because of the
1:47:57
theming of the album and naming it Adi Dong.
1:48:00
So then we get introduced to Nicole Kim.
1:48:03
I mentioned earlier a lot of armies already know her because
1:48:05
she used to work on their A&R team and I think other things as
1:48:09
well, but now she is the VP of Big Hit.
1:48:12
I mean, kudos. I'm listen, I'm going to always
1:48:14
cheer, especially in a country like Korea, knowing how they
1:48:16
treat women. Any woman in a position like
1:48:18
that, I'm going to chew you on as long as you are not like a
1:48:22
woman who shall not be named. That gave a lot of drama to Hive
1:48:25
during Milk BTS's military service.
1:48:28
One of the users, not like the other.
1:48:30
Exactly. But she mentions.
1:48:33
That she understands, like, the need for authenticity and how
1:48:36
it's important. But if they want the album to go
1:48:38
global, they need to try to inquire as much English as
1:48:41
possible. And then Namju brings up like,
1:48:43
they're running out of time and then don't really have time to
1:48:46
do things like get the pronunciation right in English,
1:48:49
especially since it's not their native tongue.
1:48:51
But then we see them like working on like Alien and like
1:48:55
getting corrected with the pronunciations of like English
1:48:59
because that seems like that was something they're very worried
1:49:00
about, which I understand that's not their native tongue.
1:49:03
I'm sure with the military they didn't really have time to like
1:49:06
practice like how we said we were going to practice Korean.
1:49:09
Did I do that? No, I tried.
1:49:12
I go back and forth, but it's like, listen, life gets in the
1:49:15
way. And I'm sure it was like that
1:49:17
for them. But then they also, not only the
1:49:20
pronunciation, worried about like having more mature lyrics
1:49:23
and to their songs. And of course is one of the
1:49:27
things that caused a lot of online discourse, especially
1:49:30
towards Nicole. And I don't want to sound like
1:49:34
I'm like a company stand because anything you say that's against
1:49:36
BTS, people label you a company stand.
1:49:39
I understand where she comes from on a business sense.
1:49:44
This goes back to when I was talking about what Hobie had
1:49:46
mentioned about. He feels stressed because he
1:49:49
wants to make the music freely. But unfortunately just the way
1:49:54
we've business and like monetize, like the arts just in
1:49:57
general, there are certain games you have to play.
1:50:01
Like unfortunately we have to be realistic.
1:50:04
There is a reason why BTS had pivot like I'd mentioned earlier
1:50:07
from when they were doing hip hop from like School Love
1:50:10
Affair, Dark and Wild, their debut to when we got most
1:50:14
beautiful moment in life. I don't know if they would be
1:50:17
where they are if they didn't make that switch.
1:50:19
It did unfortunately probably have to come down not only of
1:50:22
things they want to express like at the time of them like growing
1:50:25
up and all that, but we also do have to think it probably was
1:50:28
because of a marketing strategy to like make sure they didn't
1:50:31
fail as a group. To make sure they weren't one of
1:50:33
those people where they just had to fill out their seven-year
1:50:35
contract or a member maybe had left before the seven years
1:50:38
ended and then they disbanded again.
1:50:41
Most people don't want to admit English is technically like
1:50:45
universal language, especially when it comes to business.
1:50:49
It's just a sad reality. I know people are comparing a
1:50:52
lot to like Bad Bunny and Spanish now.
1:50:54
I got a wake up call when I had talked to Shannon one time in
1:50:57
the discord server because I didn't know Bad Bunny isn't as
1:51:00
popular in like the UK like he is in the US.
1:51:03
We have a lot more Spanish people in the US.
1:51:05
Like it's literally like I'm pretty sure the second language,
1:51:08
you know, we have people telling you that it's not.
1:51:11
I'm pretty sure it's the second most spoken language behind
1:51:13
English. So that makes sense for him.
1:51:16
I'm sure in like other like Spanish speaking like maybe your
1:51:19
countries as well or ones that like, you know, enjoy the Latin
1:51:24
like music. But still, I'm not sure if it's
1:51:26
really fair to compare like someone like Bad Bunny, who has
1:51:30
a better chance of like making it worldwide because he does
1:51:33
have the advantage of being American.
1:51:35
Yes, he's Puerto Rican, but Puerto Rico is, you know, a
1:51:39
territory. I hate saying that word under
1:51:41
America compared to BTS who are from a small country like Korea.
1:51:47
Not so much now, but back then when they were starting out,
1:51:50
that was just the reality of it. So it's like more people are
1:51:54
willing to listen to a song that may be like in Spanish than they
1:51:56
are and like in Korean, unless you're like into like those
1:52:00
Asian language, like, you know, how people and like I'm included
1:52:03
in that like use like anime as a way to kind of like gateway into
1:52:06
like K pop or like verse, vice versa, things like that.
1:52:09
So like I was already used to like consuming some type of
1:52:13
like, you know, Asian entertainment.
1:52:16
But I understand, you know, Nam Junes point as well, as well as
1:52:19
the others, like they are Korean, they're more comfortable
1:52:22
in Korea. You don't want to get into way
1:52:24
of their creative process because obviously they still
1:52:27
want to the artists that they are, they want to stay true to
1:52:30
themselves and the work that they put out.
1:52:32
But at the end of the day, to get to where they are and to
1:52:35
still continue to go, they do have to make compromises in
1:52:38
order to still not only make money to live because at the end
1:52:41
of the day, guys, this is still a job, but to continue putting
1:52:44
out music if they want to put out music.
1:52:46
And I was thinking of this too, before we started recording, a
1:52:49
great example of that outside of music that I was thinking of.
1:52:51
Like, look at my podcast. I'm doing this 100% on my own
1:52:55
free. I can basically say whatever I
1:52:57
want. I don't know if that'd be
1:52:59
different if like a company had bought me out and like, you
1:53:02
know, I have people to answer to as far as like what would be
1:53:06
safe to like not lose an audience, what to gain an
1:53:08
audience. Another example, there's a very
1:53:11
famous, if you're into podcasts like Black podcast that I listen
1:53:14
to called The Read. They've been out since 2013 as
1:53:17
well. Started off independent and they
1:53:19
became very popular to where, you know, now they're like a
1:53:22
brand, you know, have management and all that.
1:53:25
Now they're at a point where both the hosts have their own
1:53:28
separate shows. So they still do the Read, but
1:53:29
they have their own shows. But like how me, I was telling
1:53:33
Gina and Lala when we last recorded how I didn't like the
1:53:36
new way podcast are with like the video podcast.
1:53:39
What are the hosts? Crystal actually talked about
1:53:41
that. She talked about how she hates
1:53:43
with her new show that she has to get on camera and like look
1:53:46
pretty and like watch her facial expressions because that's what
1:53:50
was suggested to her by her manager.
1:53:52
And she had to come to a compromise to like, OK, let's do
1:53:55
video podcast where we upload them on YouTube for like 6
1:53:58
months. And if we find like the stats on
1:54:01
audio are bigger than the stats on video, maybe we could talk
1:54:05
about again, like, I don't have to do video podcasts anymore.
1:54:08
But it's also just things like that.
1:54:10
Unfortunately, the reality is with the way entertainment and
1:54:14
just the art, subjective or not, if you want to make it a career
1:54:19
like that, you got to play into the business.
1:54:22
Yeah, yeah, I've got lots. I've got lots of thoughts on
1:54:25
the. Whole because this did cause a
1:54:27
stir and this was one of those things that was in that Vulture
1:54:29
article that I think wasn't it's not it wasn't taken out of
1:54:34
context by the Vulture article. As we said before, the Vulture
1:54:37
article had did take several things out of context.
1:54:39
I think were quite unfair in the way that they sort of cause
1:54:41
drama. I think it is true that, you
1:54:44
know, Nicole Kim did say that, you know, we should think about
1:54:47
accessibility and we should think about, you know, try
1:54:50
trying to do it. I think what's interesting in
1:54:52
the way that it's it's done, unlike the things that surround
1:54:55
that conversation in the documentary is you have Nam Jin
1:54:59
and and the others talking about it being authentic and the
1:55:03
actual like the idea of I think it's Jimmy who says in a
1:55:06
conversation after like, look at the end of the day, if it sucks,
1:55:08
it sucks. Like we can't like we we can't
1:55:10
make it suddenly better. I think like the other thing
1:55:13
that was, yeah, like surrounding that I thought was interesting
1:55:16
was watching them try and figure out how to fit English words
1:55:21
into the beat of a track. And actually there was, I think
1:55:25
1. Like I can't remember, I can't
1:55:26
remember which which member said it, but someone said that, you
1:55:29
know, we're trying to say this line in English, but if we said
1:55:32
it in Korea, we'd get there. We wouldn't be mumbling our
1:55:35
words or like we wouldn't be trying to say it super fast
1:55:37
because this phrase is much simpler to pronounce and say in
1:55:40
Korean. But then they had that kind of
1:55:42
pressure of adding more English. So there's like a, there's a
1:55:44
technical side to it of like structurally when you're
1:55:47
creating a track, like being able to put English and Korean
1:55:51
together and which one it works most effectively for the track.
1:55:55
And then I think we get to kind of the symbolism of like English
1:55:58
versus Korean and what it means. And then we start to get into
1:56:01
the weeds of this broader conversation that is following
1:56:04
BTS for the longest time, which is about them, you know, giving
1:56:08
in to westernization, about them selling out and all of these.
1:56:12
You know, the conversation that started around this since our
1:56:14
around came out was bringing that argument back up again,
1:56:18
that if BTS starts singing more in English, are they quote UN
1:56:21
quote selling out? Are they becoming westernized?
1:56:23
And it's that constant push and pull that I think people get
1:56:27
quite sensitive, sensitive about not wanting to feel like BTS is
1:56:30
losing their identity. But I think in it within that
1:56:34
there's this marriage, that identity, that BTS is identity
1:56:38
equals singing in Korean. And I think identity is so much
1:56:41
deeper than that, like a cultural identity and what makes
1:56:44
them them. And I think his album is a great
1:56:46
highlight of exactly what culture and what identity means
1:56:49
and how it goes beyond just the language you sing in and the way
1:56:53
you dress. It goes into your experiences,
1:56:55
the way you approach situations, the way you reflect on
1:56:57
situations throughout your career.
1:56:59
And yeah, I think like, do I do I agree with Nicole Kim that if
1:57:03
they sing in English, suddenly the world will open up for them?
1:57:06
No, I think that BTS can be very successful and have been very
1:57:10
successful in majority English. But I also get where she's
1:57:13
coming from. When you're looking at the cold,
1:57:15
hard data of, you know, dynamite, butter, PTD all being
1:57:19
in English and then being able to very clearly see that when
1:57:23
they sang in English, even as an experiment, even as something to
1:57:26
fill their days when the tour was cancelled and they had to do
1:57:29
something, it raked in a lot my numbers and it rated a lot of
1:57:32
attention. It was massively well
1:57:33
performing. So from a business perspective,
1:57:35
you look at all English equals big reach, big profit, big
1:57:40
everything. So you would from a business
1:57:42
perspective, want to replicate that.
1:57:44
But you know, we might we'll probably come back onto this.
1:57:46
But I think like the relationship between hype and
1:57:49
BTS and big hit and BTS is very professional and I think that
1:57:54
they they know what they're doing.
1:57:55
I think that, you know, even though we see a glimpse of this
1:57:58
conversation about, you know, it's not like that.
1:58:01
There's no, there isn't going to be there won't, we won't see in
1:58:04
the documentary because I don't think that conversation ever
1:58:06
existed where hype, someone from hype, someone from big cake says
1:58:09
you have no choice. You must sing in English.
1:58:11
You must do that. I think it's always for them.
1:58:13
It's a suggestion and it's it's it's feedback and they take it
1:58:17
on board or they don't. And yeah, it's a it's a very
1:58:20
complicated topic, but I think that people definitely got quite
1:58:22
upset about it and not always. And I think there are there are
1:58:26
reasons that I think are valid behind it, but I also think a
1:58:29
lot of stuff has been taken and to the extreme.
1:58:32
But that's my take, sorry. I'm just like taking it all in.
1:58:36
My brain is like absorbing. I think that I'm I'm a more
1:58:42
creative minded person. So at first I was like really
1:58:45
kind of pissed off. I'm not going to lie.
1:58:47
I was watching it. I'm like this woman is it's just
1:58:50
the way she was sitting there. And I think part of it is like
1:58:52
the way they filmed her because it's almost like she was like
1:58:55
telling them and then it would switch to their faces.
1:58:58
So it gave very much like she's the big bad lady who is like
1:59:03
telling them what to do and corporate comes in.
1:59:09
And I think too like at 1st and then we.
1:59:12
I had a discussion earlier with Simi with this and it really did
1:59:16
like put into perspective like how it was filmed.
1:59:19
So I think that was at first it seemed very abrasive.
1:59:22
And then when you actually breakdown what she's actually
1:59:26
saying and then you put it in the context of what Hobie said
1:59:31
about, you know, being systematic versus being free
1:59:35
artist. I think I'm back to on what he
1:59:39
must have went through when he was trying to come up where
1:59:42
stuff like he had he wanted to have free reign of some of the
1:59:46
stuff he probably wanted to do on the stage and the company was
1:59:49
like, no, bro, that's not going to like be feasible.
1:59:52
So I think too, he probably had some stuff slapped on him too
1:59:58
with his tour and it was like fresh in his brain because
2:00:02
that's what he, because you know, you're creative artist,
2:00:05
you want to do amazing things. And like Nam Jean has said, you
2:00:09
know, I want our music to communicate.
2:00:12
So naturally finding the way to communicate what they want to do
2:00:17
with the music has to come with different languages and thinking
2:00:22
of language barriers not only with them, but with.
2:00:25
Their audience. So I do understand now.
2:00:28
Like at first I was really pissed off and I'll be
2:00:31
transparent, I was like, this woman doesn't understand.
2:00:34
But then when you think about like we probably wouldn't have,
2:00:38
like you said, the music that we have or have had, the
2:00:42
productions we've had and content we've had, if it wasn't
2:00:45
for someone actually communicating to them what was
2:00:49
possible and then finding compromise.
2:00:52
Because there are still things that we're getting that are very
2:00:55
much them. Because at the end of the day,
2:00:57
this album is very much them and the production that gave us is
2:01:02
very much them. But yeah, the business side has
2:01:06
to come into play if they want to be successful because artists
2:01:10
can't, are not capable. Like creative minded people that
2:01:14
I know of are not as capable in the business side and well
2:01:19
versed which is why they hire a team.
2:01:23
Yeah, to do do the things. That's why you have APR.
2:01:27
Team. That's why you have a stylist
2:01:29
team, because if you didn't have those things working with you as
2:01:34
an artist, you would have no clue what to do.
2:01:36
It would be huge mess. So at the end of the.
2:01:40
Day like that, that's why they hire.
2:01:42
The teams to do that because as they're there of course, to make
2:01:47
music and be performers, but they probably are not well
2:01:50
versed in the other things that they need to, so they need
2:01:53
those. So they couldn't function as a
2:01:56
huge team and that's probably why they thank their staff so
2:01:59
much because they do the things that they can't.
2:02:02
So at the end of the day, we deem the Nicole's in our lives
2:02:07
to bring us down to earth and say, listen, you want all these
2:02:11
things, but you can't get there unless you have other things put
2:02:15
into. So she's there to like, bring
2:02:18
them back to Earth in a. Way.
2:02:20
Let's do that also shows like how you have to.
2:02:22
Really in a situation, especially where BTS is, you
2:02:25
have to work, you have to learn how to work with other people.
2:02:27
Like because we've seen in this documentary as well, like when
2:02:30
it comes to like song choices, I do wish we saw a little bit
2:02:32
more. But like even they butt heads
2:02:34
creatively. So it's like if they're butting
2:02:36
heads creatively, you imagine the heads they're butting with
2:02:40
like creative versus business. Like you do need outside of
2:02:43
opinions where like you think this one thing is great.
2:02:46
And it's like, you know, sometimes by talking for myself
2:02:50
as a creative, like you could get a little stubborn.
2:02:52
OK, you don't want to hear what anyone else has to say.
2:02:55
Like, but then you do have to look at it at a broader
2:02:58
perspective because Nam Tune always brings up, you know, once
2:03:02
you put something out there, especially when it's creative,
2:03:04
like it is up to the person who was taking that in, you know,
2:03:07
they have their own interpretation of it.
2:03:09
So we've also seen that with the discourse of this album, if they
2:03:13
met one thing in their lyrics, someone who's listening to this
2:03:15
can, you know, interpret it in a whole different way.
2:03:19
So it's like also having to think in that broader sense of
2:03:22
like, making sure you don't upset yourself too much when you
2:03:25
put this out there, what people might say.
2:03:28
So yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
2:03:30
Artists like as as. People are creatives are
2:03:34
stubborn, they are self deprecating.
2:03:36
They are one track minded sometimes when they have a
2:03:39
vision and they have something that they want to bring to life
2:03:42
like they are, yeah, they they, they want it and that, but
2:03:45
that's why that's what that's why that's why writers have beta
2:03:48
readers. That's why focus groups exist.
2:03:51
That's why in any kind of business capacity, before you
2:03:53
rush in with an idea, you get feedback from people and they
2:03:58
have I think a really good feedback systems set up.
2:04:00
And that's all point of it's feedback.
2:04:02
And if you you incorporate it or you don't incorporate it.
2:04:06
And yeah, as I said, I've, I think I've said this before,
2:04:08
like I think that hoping that BCS will be in a situation where
2:04:13
they are never challenged and they are never questioned.
2:04:16
I don't think actually considers them at their at their best.
2:04:20
Like it doesn't make them, they will not be better artists for
2:04:23
never being challenged. Because we can put in many
2:04:26
examples in, you know, celebrity culture and around when you can
2:04:29
see, you can, you can tell the artists that are surrounded by
2:04:33
sycophants and surrounded by yes people.
2:04:36
And you can find and you can tell the artists who have taken
2:04:39
on board feedback, thought about other perspectives, been hyper
2:04:42
vigilant of their fan base, of what they want, what they
2:04:44
prioritize alongside looking at cold, hard data of what does
2:04:48
well and what doesn't, and being able to balance them.
2:04:51
And yeah, this documentary I think really highlighted the BTS
2:04:54
over the latter. They are not the former, and we
2:04:56
don't ever want them to be. Exactly.
2:05:00
So continuing on, like Gina had mentioned earlier, we do see,
2:05:05
you know, the collaborative work a little bit as well.
2:05:07
When Nam June is talking to one of the songwriters that helps
2:05:11
them, or I think her name is a chick writing the lyrics for
2:05:13
Normal. And you also see again, how
2:05:16
stressed he's getting her writing it.
2:05:18
And it just goes into the things we've just been talking about,
2:05:20
like how you need other people to kind of help you like align
2:05:25
and focus. Because as fans and nominees
2:05:28
talked about it before, we know he gets into his head a lot.
2:05:31
So it's also kind of just like meeting certain type of people
2:05:35
that will help you, but also like get your mind focused.
2:05:38
So like she kept asking him a lot of questions of like, what
2:05:41
do you want to focus on, like talking about?
2:05:43
And then like when he was saying it, this is like, you know, just
2:05:46
focus on that of like what you want to relay and the lyrics.
2:05:49
So I really enjoyed that scene. And then there is a moment to
2:05:54
like when he, I'm assuming it's during like the same writing
2:05:57
session because he's wearing that same shirt.
2:05:58
He gets up to, like, stretch, taking a minute, but then he
2:06:01
starts, like, talking about how he hates being stuck in a
2:06:03
routine and being in the military, you know, kind of felt
2:06:06
like a dream. And he felt like he was being
2:06:09
stuck in a routine. So it was really hard for him.
2:06:12
And then, you know, being the little nerd that he is, he
2:06:14
breaks up old Greece. I'm thinking about time in two
2:06:17
ways, Chronos and Kairos. Is that how you pronounce that?
2:06:22
Kairos? OK, I I.
2:06:24
Don't know much about Greek. Mythology.
2:06:25
Sorry, guys, but he was basically stating how like when
2:06:29
he was in the military doing the same thing over and over, that
2:06:31
was Kronos to him. But the time that he spent in LA
2:06:34
with his members bringing up, you know, he they're like a
2:06:37
second family to him. That felt like Kairos.
2:06:41
So I also had to Google, I guess Kronos is like quantitative,
2:06:44
linear and sequential time measured by the clock.
2:06:47
So like the minutes, hours, years where Kairos is
2:06:50
qualitative. So like the right time,
2:06:53
opportune, special or divine moments in time.
2:06:56
Yeah. Yeah.
2:06:57
I think like, yeah, I remember. Yeah, this this got my nerd
2:07:01
brain going and it came from Namja and it was even more.
2:07:03
But yeah, I, I studied like ancient Greek, like mythology
2:07:07
and things for a long time. And then I did a dissertation
2:07:10
based around like ancient Greek epic.
2:07:12
But like, yeah, it's an interesting that he brings it up
2:07:15
because I think it just, it really frames, I think really
2:07:17
nicely. The like the time crunch they
2:07:20
were under and I think the deadlines that they were all put
2:07:23
under of like you've got two weeks left, you've got one day
2:07:25
left, you got a week left and everything.
2:07:26
But actually, I think if you, and it kind of goes back to what
2:07:29
we're saying earlier about when you see them sort of like
2:07:32
goofing around. But ultimately I think the
2:07:34
philosophy of it is that, yeah, we might need time to goof
2:07:36
around. And that might not be an
2:07:38
efficient use of time, but it might be an effective use of
2:07:40
time because if we just spend that time relaxing, suddenly we
2:07:43
have a breakthrough. And I think that's really like,
2:07:46
I think that's a really good reflection of what the creative
2:07:47
process is like. You can try and push yourself to
2:07:50
do something like within a certain time time, but
2:07:53
ultimately sometimes like sparks, like sparks of
2:07:56
inspiration, calm. And yeah, just the idea of like
2:08:00
them spending like effective time together rather than
2:08:03
efficient time. I think it's just like a really
2:08:05
nice just a really nice thing that I think they were grounded
2:08:08
to them in that process because it was a lot of pressure for
2:08:10
them to suddenly get an album out in like, you know, like in
2:08:13
in a song camp. Yeah.
2:08:16
I mean, once again, I love Nanjing so much.
2:08:20
I will say special mention to my.
2:08:22
Husband. Who watched this with me?
2:08:25
He was so enthralled with Nam Jun talking about time.
2:08:31
He, he is a very business minded person.
2:08:34
He's in business. And so, but he was like, he was
2:08:38
even like, I want to work this this segment into one of his
2:08:44
meetings, like one of his presentations, because he's
2:08:47
like, this is such an effective way to talk even about business
2:08:51
and about how business works and how like the time you put into
2:08:56
something like he nerded out for like a good like I had to pause
2:09:02
to let him nerd out about Nam Gene and this whole
2:09:05
conversation. And I think too like that is
2:09:09
such it was such an interesting thing to think about.
2:09:13
And I was like, Nam Gene, why are you writing lyrics about
2:09:17
this then? Like you should be writing all
2:09:19
of this down right now and like using it.
2:09:23
But I do I think too like the fact that he was thinking about
2:09:29
this too and writing normal at the same time.
2:09:32
He was probably in such a frame of mind of like, because he
2:09:37
because when he was talking about routine and then normal
2:09:41
and it all like, and he's like, I wish because the there's a
2:09:45
line in the song that says about being able to turn your brain
2:09:49
off essentially. And he said, I can never turn it
2:09:52
off. It would be so nice.
2:09:54
And I think too, that's made him think about.
2:09:56
I wish I could pause time and like be in this moment of like
2:10:01
peace and like being with the people that I care about.
2:10:04
But you can't do that. You have to keep moving forward
2:10:07
because something they kept talking about in this
2:10:10
documentary was essentially moving forward.
2:10:13
You've got to keep going. You got to keep moving.
2:10:15
Like you can't we roll time back so we have more time to work on
2:10:19
this. We have to like keep going.
2:10:21
And I think that like, I don't know it just that whole segment
2:10:25
that they filmed, I was like, this is so good.
2:10:27
But this is so telling. Again, I like how Naam June like
2:10:31
processes everything and why sometimes like we all get into a
2:10:37
rut. Like we all have these thoughts
2:10:39
and feelings at the different parts of our life.
2:10:41
And again, it's like bringing the human element from them,
2:10:45
like knowing at the end of the day they're still human even
2:10:48
though they are the most iconic group or whatever.
2:10:51
Like they're still human men that are doing a job and living
2:10:55
their lives to the best of their abilities.
2:10:59
Yeah, exactly. So.
2:11:02
More discourse because we get into the scene where they're
2:11:08
actually discussing 2 point O Mente is actually talking about
2:11:12
how the lyrics and so he talks about how their lyrics need to
2:11:17
evolve basically not only having lyrics that only speak to them
2:11:21
and won't be like heard by anyone else.
2:11:23
So basically if you're like listening to a song, it's not
2:11:25
relatable. So because again, Nicole also
2:11:29
getting dragged online, she mentions like the old songs like
2:11:32
on and Black Swan weren't very relatable.
2:11:35
And I also feel like people are passing over like when she says
2:11:39
this, Tay actually agreed with her that those songs weren't
2:11:44
relatable. And again, looking at the
2:11:47
English trio that we had, were they deep meaningful songs?
2:11:50
No, but they were like songs anyone could listen to, dance
2:11:53
to, etcetera, etcetera. Now, I did go back and like at
2:11:57
least skim through like the lyrics for On and Black Swan.
2:12:00
And like, I understand what she means because it's like, if
2:12:03
you're not like deep in the fandom of ARMY to understand
2:12:07
what they're talking about or you haven't either gone through
2:12:10
like any type of hardships with on or like a like a creative
2:12:14
death that they talk about in Black Swan, Like you won't
2:12:16
really relate it. You might think it's a nice
2:12:18
song, but it won't like speak to you.
2:12:20
Like Black Swan speaks to me as a creative because I also went
2:12:24
through that. I like to draw.
2:12:26
I don't draw as much as I used to.
2:12:28
And I wish I had the time, but because of like work and being
2:12:30
an adult, that was kind of like my artistic death.
2:12:33
And I almost kind of went through that with this podcast.
2:12:37
So it's kind of just like things like that.
2:12:39
I understand once again where she's coming from if you want to
2:12:43
push more because that's another thing too.
2:12:45
I think we also forget K Pop as a whole.
2:12:47
They've really created like the form of groups, mainly promote
2:12:53
for the fans, like get that fan base, make it strong and then
2:12:57
like you basically can't do anything wrong.
2:12:59
So again, if we're trying to like make VTS like out of the K
2:13:04
pop scene, that is one of the things we're going to have to
2:13:06
like accept is going to happen, Which I also think why they
2:13:10
brought up swim and like made it the contender or the title
2:13:14
track, because even Hobie had brought up how the song could be
2:13:17
potentially their lead due to it being like more accessible and
2:13:20
inclusive. It does have like the themes of
2:13:22
like love because during the promotion of like Adirong, they
2:13:25
kept asking us like, what is your love song?
2:13:27
But like people can interpret love in so many ways.
2:13:30
So like, even if one song is interpreting love in one way, a
2:13:33
person, like the normal average person can listen to it and
2:13:37
still think of love, but like interpret it in their own way,
2:13:40
like, you know what I mean? But they also knew they were
2:13:42
going to like go through like challenges with that because,
2:13:45
like, Namjoon also mentioned that it is a bit more mellow and
2:13:48
strays away from their usual sound.
2:13:50
So it's going to be a risk either way.
2:13:52
But like, if they're going to take that risk, take it now.
2:13:55
So I also do find it interesting because like when you see people
2:13:58
talk online who are into K pop or our armies, they did say like
2:14:02
releasing swim as the lead was technically a quote, UN quote
2:14:05
safe route to take. Yeah, I think that whole section
2:14:10
with. Nicole again was and this is
2:14:13
where I give another tell another giving the main telling
2:14:15
off to that Vulture article because that I think it was a
2:14:18
real case of where that moment was decontextualized.
2:14:21
Because actually the way that I read that whole scene with the
2:14:25
conversation between Tay and Nicole is that Tay's point was
2:14:29
that we should write something that is more universal because
2:14:33
it will be popular. And Nicole's come back to that
2:14:35
was well on in Black Swan is, I think, reading into beloved by
2:14:39
the fan base and it's not that universal source.
2:14:42
So actually, I think Nicole's point was you don't have to
2:14:45
write really universal stuff for at least your fan base to love
2:14:49
it and for it to be popular. Whereas I think when it was
2:14:52
taken out of context, it felt like we didn't we didn't the
2:14:56
Vulture. I didn't like point that Tay was
2:14:58
making that point and agreeing with her.
2:15:01
It was just Nicole making a point that on in Black Swan
2:15:04
unrelatable because then I remember like, because then that
2:15:06
was the context we got. And I remember like I came back
2:15:09
on Twitter saying that like, you know, on is, you know, on is
2:15:13
about overcoming hardship, like you said to me, and Black Swan
2:15:16
is about losing your passion. I think those are pretty
2:15:18
universal concepts. I think that yes, you, it's,
2:15:20
it's more meaningful in a like for Black Swan in a creative
2:15:24
context. But I also think like you can,
2:15:26
you experience loads of things where you lose your passion and
2:15:29
you have to make the decision about whether you're going to
2:15:30
fight to get it back. You can enjoy your job and lose
2:15:33
passion for your job. You can your hobbies, you can.
2:15:35
And they might be creative. They might not be your
2:15:37
friendships. Like, yeah, your, you know,
2:15:39
your, your, your, your relationship.
2:15:41
There's loads of things in which you can sort of point to being
2:15:45
consumed by this sadness that you no longer have the love for
2:15:48
this thing again. And then you sort of you decide,
2:15:51
no, I want to, I'm going to fight for this, I'm going to get
2:15:53
it back. So.
2:15:54
And, and on just being about solidarity with the people
2:15:56
around you. Yeah, I think that I think, I
2:16:00
mean, I think swim was a really good choice because I was
2:16:04
thinking to myself, if it wasn't swim, what track could it have
2:16:07
been? And I can't really point to one
2:16:10
that I think would have been, I guess body to body could have
2:16:14
been a contender because it would have had that really
2:16:16
interesting flavor of the chat. But I don't think that that
2:16:19
would have done numbers on like great.
2:16:22
I don't know, like I think it would have gone down really well
2:16:25
with some people, but not all. And I think like aliens
2:16:28
potentially, but aliens, aliens goes up, goes talks about like
2:16:31
aliens talks about racism, aliens talks about their
2:16:34
experience as being overed in situations.
2:16:37
So that's again, like that is quite, that is not a that is not
2:16:41
always a universal experience. It's a sympathetic experience,
2:16:43
but it's not always universal to everybody.
2:16:45
So yeah, I kind of think when I weigh it up, swim was simpler
2:16:49
and but it and it's gentle as a track.
2:16:51
It's not got like the energy and like the bounce and like, yeah,
2:16:54
like the bam, the BTS tracks, title tracks have traditionally
2:16:58
had. But again, like some people say
2:17:00
it's the safe option. I think it was an experimental
2:17:02
option because it's not what they've they've done before.
2:17:05
I think it was a smart option because how many?
2:17:08
Can put that song in the background even just to listen
2:17:11
to it because it's soothing. Like just the sound of it is
2:17:14
like peaceful and it becomes an ear worm like it does.
2:17:18
Like I find myself standing in the kitchen singing swim like
2:17:23
over and over in my head. Like the motion as well.
2:17:26
Like swim. Yeah, it's like.
2:17:29
So I think, I feel. Like it was the logical and best
2:17:33
choice. Because like, even if I argue
2:17:36
and say normal has a good message, I don't think it would
2:17:40
have had the same impact Because at the end of the day, you can't
2:17:44
dance to normal. And they still made swim work
2:17:47
with a dance. So people who wanted a dance to
2:17:51
learn are still able to do that with this song.
2:17:55
Like the things that they love in the fandom.
2:17:57
When a song releases, they get a dance, they get an earworm, they
2:18:02
get visuals because the visuals were beautiful in the music
2:18:06
video. It was very cinematic.
2:18:09
So I'm like you, you got everything you wanted.
2:18:11
It wasn't maybe what you thought.
2:18:13
When you think of like a fire and you're like, and you're like
2:18:17
seeing everything torched and dancing like maniacs, like you
2:18:21
don't get that. But I still think it is very
2:18:23
much BTS. It's just like you said,
2:18:26
experimental, but it works. Yeah.
2:18:30
And and it had like I said, it's an ear run, but it also has.
2:18:32
Real playability, so you can hear it over and over and you
2:18:35
know, in the case of like people that are like trying to hit
2:18:37
those streaming goals, we can stream it over and over and not
2:18:40
get tired of it. And it's also like it does have
2:18:43
if you want to find that layer of army WTS kind of symbolism,
2:18:48
water and seas and that sort of like swimming and keeping going
2:18:52
has been a consistent motif that they've had for years.
2:18:54
Because we had all the way going back to when you had the the Mod
2:18:57
7 Torah posters when they were standing on the water.
2:19:00
And then when we had the pandemic and we had on the the
2:19:03
online concert, they were in a desert.
2:19:05
They talked about in yet to come going from the desert to the sea
2:19:09
and then them being back in the sea.
2:19:11
And so, you know, there's like the idea of and see being a
2:19:14
hidden track and being about hardship.
2:19:16
And so then now finally swim and like, you know, the water being
2:19:20
something like something that you push through as an obstacle.
2:19:23
But then you can also read it as it's them being immersed in the
2:19:27
thing that they have like worked to return to, which is like this
2:19:31
really, I think really lovely motif for peace and comfort and
2:19:35
home and army. And I just, yeah, I think it's
2:19:38
got everything. I think that it's yeah, like
2:19:40
it's really interesting with the documentary, like about how they
2:19:43
came to that journey and how they had their doubts of it.
2:19:46
But I absolutely think that out of all of the 14 tracks, and you
2:19:48
know, there's supposedly like 120 tracks that we haven't heard
2:19:51
or they they wrote a lot for this album.
2:19:54
Maybe someone's from the vault, maybe someone's brand new.
2:19:56
And we have got a hidden track still in the dark final to
2:19:58
discover. So there is there is more to
2:20:00
come, of course. But yeah, I think that of what
2:20:03
we know, Swim just felt like the natural, the best choice they
2:20:06
could have made. Well, Speaking of the battle of
2:20:09
a swim was. Supposed to be, you know, if
2:20:12
Swim was a good choice for the title track.
2:20:14
Shannon had actually mentioned a really good point as far as one
2:20:18
contender that I see a lot of people talking about online is
2:20:21
body to body because they discussed that song a lot in
2:20:24
this documentary, especially when it comes to the Argyong
2:20:27
sample. So at first we actually do get a
2:20:30
scene where P Dog plays it in front of Hobie Tae, Jimin and
2:20:35
John Cook. Those four loved it.
2:20:39
And then we get a part where Nam June and Yugi comes in.
2:20:43
Those two not so much. Which also birthed another meme
2:20:47
of J hope this vibing out, dancing to it.
2:20:51
And then like, you see Nam June and Yugi look at each other,
2:20:53
shake their head like no. And then Hobie's looking around
2:20:56
like, wait, y'all not feeling this?
2:20:58
No, it's just oh, OK, going nevermind then.
2:21:03
Yeah, I'm going to say. Not much.
2:21:06
I've already seen it used so much.
2:21:08
It must never die. It will never die.
2:21:10
And another thing too, which. It did take me, I did see people
2:21:13
talking about it online on Twitter and it took me the
2:21:16
second watch. Now people are kind of
2:21:19
misconstruing this that Nam Jun and Yugi did not want the sample
2:21:23
Adi Dong in it at all. That's not the case because they
2:21:27
already decided really early on that they were going to put Adi
2:21:31
Dong in one of the songs and the choice was body to body.
2:21:34
The thing that they were against was the like the sound of it
2:21:39
because if you pay attention to the documentary, Adi Dong is
2:21:42
kind of like under, I don't know, like musical technical
2:21:45
terms. So I'm sorry guys.
2:21:47
But like when you listen to it from what the final version we
2:21:49
got towards the end, I think it's like Tay and Jin's part of
2:21:52
the chorus they are singing, but Adi Dong is like under it.
2:21:55
So like you hear them singing, you hear Adi Dong as well as the
2:21:58
like instrumentals. And I think that's what they did
2:22:00
it one. That's why Namji kick comparing
2:22:03
it to like this combination of like weird foods because it was
2:22:05
kind of like jumbled up together all in one.
2:22:08
That's what they didn't like. And there was two different
2:22:11
versions of it. There was like a short version
2:22:13
they had heard and there's a longer version they're going to
2:22:16
hear a little bit later when they're back in Korea.
2:22:18
But it's just interesting because again, we talked about
2:22:21
the dynamics between BTS and the company of compromises.
2:22:24
You see the compromise between the members as well because
2:22:27
Namjoo brought up how we thought it was like too traditional to
2:22:31
be mixed in there. And it might sound weird to like
2:22:34
Korean people and also sounded weird to them because they are
2:22:37
Korean. You know?
2:22:38
Hobie kind of pushes back a little bit thinking it sounds
2:22:41
cool. But then Tay also brought up
2:22:43
that he's worried that like Korean people might think it's
2:22:46
like they're being too patriotic and like, it might feel a little
2:22:48
bit uncomfortable. And that's what Namju mentioned,
2:22:50
what his fear was. And I also forgot, like with Tay
2:22:54
saying that, it took me this morning to realize, you know, I
2:22:57
keep forgetting like during out this whole thing, they're
2:22:59
freshly out of the military, they're out of the Yogi.
2:23:03
Just discharge what I want to say a month or two before,
2:23:07
probably like 2 months before they headed to LA.
2:23:09
So like when you put that in context, I understand now why
2:23:12
they feared that sample being in there, not only because it's a
2:23:16
song of like the country, but like maybe people probably
2:23:19
putting on them like the military changed them.
2:23:22
You know, they're way too pro Korea now.
2:23:24
The government has gotten into their head things like that,
2:23:27
which things that people have already said of them because,
2:23:29
you know, how big they are in a way kind of already represents
2:23:33
Korea, whether they want to or not.
2:23:35
So looking at it that way, I understand the fear.
2:23:37
But then also, you know, Hobie kind of brings it up and like,
2:23:40
mentions that foreigners like people not Korean might, you
2:23:44
know, enjoy it, be wowed by it because you're like bringing
2:23:47
their culture that they had no idea about.
2:23:48
And yes, Hobie, I am one of the foreigners.
2:23:50
I enjoyed it. So you were right on that, Sir.
2:23:54
Yeah, Yeah, I think we will. And I think it's.
2:23:57
It's again, it's interesting, the whole discourse that
2:24:00
unravelled when Arang came out and people arguing that it's not
2:24:03
Korean enough or it hasn't got enough of that flavour.
2:24:06
So it's interesting to watch them talk about making it less
2:24:10
overtly Korean with the sample because they're worried about
2:24:13
how foreigners are going to take it.
2:24:14
And actually right off the bat, there are people being like, we
2:24:16
want more. We want this to be more
2:24:18
integrated. Like we really like the sound of
2:24:19
body to body, Like we wanted more.
2:24:21
You know, people, I've saw people at the beginning they
2:24:23
were referencing like Deshita and referencing Hagum, like
2:24:26
these tracks that Jungi used where he used the traditional
2:24:28
instruments at the same openings or the same references to these
2:24:31
things. So it was the idea of people
2:24:33
actually thinking, actually they think the ETS didn't go far
2:24:36
enough into it. But I think it comes down to
2:24:38
that of like identity again. But yeah, I think I think you're
2:24:41
right when you contextualize them being just out of the
2:24:43
military. I think also them just not
2:24:46
wanting to be considered like it being the theme being too
2:24:49
heavy-handed because they the title of of, you know, the album
2:24:52
and the main theme of it is out of line.
2:24:54
It's this very sentimental, like emotive track that is very
2:24:57
special to the Korean people. And to kind of whether I think
2:25:02
there's like a, there's a fine line between showing as in a lot
2:25:05
of things like appreciation for something and then tokenizing
2:25:09
something. It's that constant push and pull
2:25:11
of when, when is this enough? And when are people going to
2:25:14
feel like we're milking something.
2:25:16
And I think they were right to have that kind of business, that
2:25:20
perspective and that kind of business.
2:25:21
Nice of this could be seen and this could be taken in the wrong
2:25:25
way, but I hope that they're and I, you know, quietly behind the
2:25:28
scenes seeing the reaction to it and being like, Oh no, we're
2:25:30
cool. Like people, people have
2:25:31
embraced this. People loved it.
2:25:33
And in fact, some people said even when they were being
2:25:35
negative but silver lining they said they wanted more.
2:25:39
So yeah, that could be feedback for them.
2:25:42
Yeah, but I mean even with that feedback it like.
2:25:45
Unfortunately, we've gone to much of like an underhand where
2:25:48
it's like, oh, we wanted boar, but like, you know, not going
2:25:51
with body and body and going with swim like shows you're not
2:25:53
Korean enough. So we have that as well.
2:25:56
And it's like, I, I'm not Korean.
2:25:57
Obviously I don't have like access to like Korean forums and
2:26:01
the social media. So I don't know what they are
2:26:04
saying because like the Korean, I keep forgetting the Koreans I
2:26:07
have been seeing online, they're like, how do I say this?
2:26:12
Is Koreans of the diaspora appropriate?
2:26:14
Meaning like either Korean, but like they either grew up in
2:26:17
America or like Canada or like this in a different country
2:26:20
outside of South Korea. So also for them, for the ones I
2:26:23
have seen like give those critiques of not being Korean
2:26:27
of, I also understand their perspective because it's also
2:26:30
kind of like BTS does help them bridge between like, you know,
2:26:34
being Korean but not growing up in Korea compared to like what a
2:26:38
actual like raised in Korean probably thinks of it.
2:26:42
So I haven't seen that perspective of that side.
2:26:46
It's mainly been Koreans who either were raised outside of
2:26:49
Korea or like had to probably leave Korea and they probably,
2:26:52
you know, like, you know, miss their homeland.
2:26:54
So this is one of those things too.
2:26:56
Yeah. And I've got.
2:26:57
I've seen, I've seen quite a few that have been.
2:26:59
From like Korean streamers that are based in Korea and actually
2:27:02
being really, and again, it's, it's, it's a, it's a small
2:27:05
selection, I said of the, of the wider picture, but I have seen,
2:27:09
you know, them reacting like live to it and being like, whoa,
2:27:12
like they've, they did that because I think like people
2:27:15
forget that there is, you know, that there's, there's AI think
2:27:18
there's, there's a, there's a portion of people that might be
2:27:20
feeling like, oh, we don't have expectations that you celebrate
2:27:23
your culture. You know, you're a massive now
2:27:24
you're you, you've grown so much beyond for your, your global *.
2:27:28
So I think there's, I've seen a lot of reactions where it seems
2:27:31
like it's meant a lot to them that they still really have that
2:27:34
rooted in Korea and they still have that like bringing it back
2:27:38
to that. I think there's a lot they're
2:27:39
like, Oh no, they're still like there's, they're still
2:27:41
celebrating us, which I think is, I can, I can imagine must be
2:27:44
really, really nice for them as well.
2:27:46
Yeah, my friend and her mom. Is from Jeju and she's been in
2:27:52
the United States for a while now.
2:27:54
But when her mom heard the song and said that she started crying
2:28:00
because she said it reminded her of home because she hasn't been
2:28:03
home in a long time. So I do think that sentiment of
2:28:07
missing their home like where she was from like she where she
2:28:11
was born and raised and not being there, she felt like a tie
2:28:15
to that because all her brothers and sisters still live in Korea.
2:28:18
She's one of eight. She's the oldest of 8.
2:28:21
So she, but she said hearing that was like very special to
2:28:25
her. She said because you don't hear
2:28:27
it so much, so you don't hear recordings.
2:28:29
It's not something you seek out or they play on the radio, you
2:28:32
know, there isn't that access. So for her, like it was really
2:28:37
special. So I do think that there is some
2:28:40
special connections, but I I'm glad they included it.
2:28:44
Like, I'm glad that they put it in that song at the end of the
2:28:48
day and they are tying it because they're always going to
2:28:51
be Korean no matter what. Like they're always Korean.
2:28:55
And I'm just, I'm glad that they are also not like trying to just
2:29:02
be a modern pop star now to like, you know what I'm saying?
2:29:06
Like sometimes you lose that part of yourself, like wanting
2:29:10
to express yourself. And I'm glad they've kept that
2:29:14
message no matter what. At the end of the day.
2:29:17
I think like what you're saying is an interesting like
2:29:19
juxtaposition when you think. Of like them not letting
2:29:22
something go as part of like their Koreanness of their
2:29:25
heritage. When you compare that to a track
2:29:28
like aliens, which is talking about basically being like them
2:29:32
being made to feel other by other people.
2:29:35
So there's that element of even if we wanted to completely let
2:29:39
go and detach ourselves from our Korean identity, other people in
2:29:43
the West won't let they they pinpoint us as different.
2:29:47
So I think like when I listen to it and again, like, you know, a
2:29:51
quite British woman perspective, but I just feel like there is a
2:29:54
sense that there is a bit of like a screw it.
2:29:57
Like, you know, if you're going to keep reminding me that I'm
2:29:59
different, I'm going to celebrate that I am different
2:30:02
because that is what you know, what else is there open?
2:30:05
It's like it's a reclamation. I think of that identity, which
2:30:08
I think is it's just really, really lovely to to sort of have
2:30:11
a have an album that really talks and kind of explores that.
2:30:14
I'm going to jump around because I feel like we've pretty much
2:30:16
talked. About my next talking point.
2:30:18
So I'm going to go to where we cut to Jimin dyeing his hair
2:30:23
blonde, just getting bleached. Yeah, I'm just going to jump
2:30:29
around a little bit. So we're going to get to the
2:30:33
scene where Jimin, you know, getting his hair dyed blonde.
2:30:36
And of course, many people in the fandom were, like, joking
2:30:40
and saying, like, this is AI, Jimin's a natural blonde, you
2:30:43
know, all that good stuff. Yes, he's a natural blonde.
2:30:46
So much that he actually flinched a little because of the
2:30:49
bleach. Fun.
2:30:51
Yeah. No, no, he like, yeah, he's.
2:30:53
Just yeah. He was just yeah, Just get in a
2:30:56
touch. I mean, it's fine.
2:30:58
Just a touch. It does sting.
2:30:59
It does sting to your scalp. Like that you're literally
2:31:02
putting Bleacher in your head. I've bleached my hair but I've
2:31:05
never went to the scalp so I don't.
2:31:07
Know what it feels like at the actual scalp?
2:31:09
It hurts when they're putting that brush on, it feels like.
2:31:12
Needles in the back of your head like they're because it stings.
2:31:16
Actually, you can get burns like bleach burns in your scalp.
2:31:20
It's not funny. It starts with like a cold and
2:31:23
then it just becomes like. Fire and then you're like and
2:31:26
then you're just stuck and just they just keep putting more on.
2:31:30
I mean my my central argument. I don't think he said I but I do
2:31:33
think that he's been blonde enough times.
2:31:36
If he didn't have a little bit of natural blonde in him, his
2:31:38
his hair would be fine. I don't know how that man has
2:31:42
hair that maintains to be so fluffy and so luscious without
2:31:46
him just being actually blonde. I was like buttocks though, I
2:31:51
swear. Like they must.
2:31:52
Condition like crazy because when I think about that how many
2:31:55
times he's been blonde and how blonde he's been like how light
2:32:00
they've gotten that hair yeah it's insane.
2:32:03
I know that's not your points to me, but it's fine.
2:32:06
I mean, we got into the topic of his hair, which wasn't.
2:32:08
Why? I brought up Jimmy, but it's
2:32:10
fine. But that flinching was so real.
2:32:14
Though I was like, I feel that I sit and do that every few
2:32:17
months. I have that exact experience.
2:32:20
Lord, when they think to judious pain, I'm just.
2:32:23
Little visor, though, I've never seen one of those.
2:32:25
Where is. That for me, my eyes burn
2:32:28
sometimes. The fuse that God they try.
2:32:32
No Korea like. Actually.
2:32:34
Like they're very. Modern in certain things like
2:32:36
wearing gloves when they're washing the dishes because I
2:32:38
hate when I accidentally touch food when I'm washing the dishes
2:32:42
and like hey dramas like they. Have this little.
2:32:44
Like clear kind of like the shield that he had, but they
2:32:46
have like the shield over your mouth when they're preparing
2:32:49
food. I'm like, why are we doing that?
2:32:51
More like it's just more sanitized.
2:32:54
Listen, every place has a thing advisor though for getting my
2:32:57
hair bleached because that would save my.
2:32:59
Life but I had brought him up because I just think his little.
2:33:02
Scene when they actually filmed him at his house was very
2:33:05
interesting to me because of what he like brings up so
2:33:08
obviously after getting his hair bleached.
2:33:10
He is at home. He's sitting in front of his
2:33:12
computer eating dinner, watching YouTube videos.
2:33:15
Our little nerd watching YouTube videos about science.
2:33:21
I just gushed so badly. I'm like oh Jimin never changed
2:33:25
because watching science videos and then playing League of.
2:33:28
Legends. That man is bitchless.
2:33:31
Yeah, because even Nam Jing was like, he doesn't understand how.
2:33:34
Jimin can play for about 10 hours.
2:33:37
I thought it was just gin. I thought it was just gin.
2:33:40
Listen, I I can get that though, because I can play.
2:33:43
Sims for like 24 hours. I've done that.
2:33:46
I just get locked in and you're like.
2:33:50
Oh wait, Sun's coming up again. Yeah.
2:33:52
Yeah, I mean, less so if I'm at League of Legends because I.
2:33:54
Just think that's just repetitive.
2:33:56
You just did a real man. You're just doing the same
2:33:57
battles over and over, but like story based things.
2:34:00
Listen, I've got to see where this goes.
2:34:02
I'm playing, you know, I put, I put time aside, I put annual
2:34:05
leave off to play these like open world games, like I'm
2:34:08
getting stuff done like so past my own heart.
2:34:12
I'm not a gamer so I cannot relate to any of.
2:34:15
This, I get bored within 5 seconds, especially if like I'm
2:34:18
pressing a button and nothing's happening.
2:34:20
I can't do it. I'm sorry.
2:34:22
I've tried so many times. It's the controller on today.
2:34:24
Did you turn it off? It is on OK, the character is.
2:34:27
Moving. I hit jump, he's jumping, but I
2:34:30
keep falling into the Cliff or whatever the ditch, and then I
2:34:35
get upset and I throw it. I'm like no, but if you throw
2:34:39
it, that's why it doesn't work, because you broke your.
2:34:41
Controller it still works OK. I haven't had a game.
2:34:45
System since the Wii and I don't have the Wii anymore because it
2:34:48
was so old like it wasn't working like I would put acd in
2:34:51
and the screen was black and white so that was my actual last
2:34:53
like actual game console so that just shows you how I game not at
2:34:58
all fair enough but anyway I just thought it was interesting
2:35:01
because he. Actually gets on the.
2:35:02
Topic of like being an introvert and I feel like the relationship
2:35:06
that haves of like being a celebrity because he starts
2:35:09
talking about like when he was younger, he wasn't introverted,
2:35:11
but as he's gotten older, you know, a lot less people start
2:35:14
being around him. I mean, he spends more time
2:35:17
alone. And unfortunately, I just do
2:35:19
think that's part of like the status that him and the other
2:35:22
members just are when it comes to like BTS and like, you know,
2:35:25
their fame. You just don't know who you can
2:35:27
trust really anymore to get like that personal, which is sad to
2:35:31
say, but that could form into his, like, introvertness and he
2:35:35
just talks about how like life goes on.
2:35:37
It's like that. But I thought it was interesting
2:35:39
where he was talking about, like, he can't speak for other
2:35:41
celebrities because, like, things may look a certain way
2:35:44
and, like, just not knowing what they may go through.
2:35:47
But like, also, he's not really complaining too much because in
2:35:50
a way, this is a life he basically manifested for
2:35:52
himself. Like, he envisioned himself
2:35:54
singing, wearing pretty clothes. He mentioned dancing and just,
2:35:57
like, performing in front of others.
2:35:59
So I just thought that was a very interesting, like,
2:36:01
perspective that he gave of. Like, fame is not all what it
2:36:04
cracks up to be. People definitely.
2:36:07
Yeah. Take the top.
2:36:09
Yeah. I think like you envision like.
2:36:11
How cool and glamorous it is. But then when you live it, you
2:36:16
see how isolating it can be. Yeah, yeah, I put myself.
2:36:21
In that situation, I would 100% if I had to like do like the
2:36:24
tour and then I had a break. I'm not like, you know, it's
2:36:28
like if you get free time off, like you're ever going to be
2:36:30
like right, I'm going to make the you get those people that
2:36:32
like when they get free time after they've done like their
2:36:34
nine to five or what their day job that requires a lot of
2:36:36
energy. They either take that free time
2:36:38
and they cram in loads of things to do or they go and they live
2:36:41
in a cave for two days. I choose cave.
2:36:44
I choose cave. Yeah, I did nothing yesterday.
2:36:47
Yes, exactly. And I think.
2:36:49
Jinmin chooses K for two, and I think that is absolutely fine.
2:36:52
You need to decompress. You demanding.
2:36:55
A lot of people are looking at you.
2:36:56
There's a lot of stimulation. If you just need to focus on a
2:36:59
screen for 10 hours. Fill you.
2:37:01
Fill you, my man. Again, man, after my own heart.
2:37:04
Yes, because I mean, even Namjun goes into that a little bit.
2:37:07
I forget the exact words, he says.
2:37:10
Oh, it's when he's in the museum talking about, like, spilling so
2:37:13
much of yourself, like, into other things.
2:37:15
You kind of have to find a way to, like, fill it.
2:37:17
And like, we kind of see that, too, in, like, a little montage.
2:37:20
Yeah. So like, he goes to the museums
2:37:21
a lot. I was proud of myself.
2:37:23
Again, Thank you, K Pop demon hunters, because I recognize the
2:37:26
tiger paintings he was looking at and the significance of that.
2:37:30
You know, we saw Jen playing tennis.
2:37:32
JK was with Bam, which also was a very interesting scene when
2:37:36
the woman was talking about how Bam, like, has all these health
2:37:39
issues. It's going to die soon.
2:37:43
I was like, why would you say that?
2:37:45
No, I'm just so upset. I was like seeing man playing,
2:37:51
you know, like hyper and like be like, where the fuck is me?
2:37:55
And then they're like, he's so sick.
2:37:57
And I'm like, no, I guess that's why I love him, because he's.
2:38:02
So I'll I mean don't state that like.
2:38:07
It hurt my heart so much. It was just so random.
2:38:11
I was like what is going on? I.
2:38:14
Think he I think he underestimates how much that.
2:38:17
Bam Instagram account was like our lifeline when he went in and
2:38:20
was just like how is Bam like his brother running the Bam
2:38:23
account and I was just like Bam, it's got friends.
2:38:27
Yeah, I was just waiting for in the OPS of the.
2:38:31
Angels to start play? No, I'm sure.
2:38:36
That's how we. All felt with Yoton too.
2:38:39
Probably, yeah, maybe. Rest in peace.
2:38:42
We do get, we do get attached to these BTS animals.
2:38:45
Don't we? But yeah, that I just he's that
2:38:48
are going strong. Yeah, it went.
2:38:49
From them like the idea of them, like filling their.
2:38:52
Cup and like doing all the activities that make them happy
2:38:54
and then this wouldn't be like your dog's going to die soon.
2:39:00
Then you have Mickey on life support.
2:39:02
Dog, it's going to be frozen. He's going to be crowd genically
2:39:07
frozen. Just imagine being in a band's
2:39:10
head. They're having this conversation
2:39:11
around and it's like, hey. Dad, what are we doing in the
2:39:13
day? Hey, Dad, for the ball.
2:39:14
For the ball. My God, that scene out of all
2:39:18
that was it. Was just Oh my God.
2:39:21
I'm glad JK was like, well, that's why, you know, we attract
2:39:25
one another. That's why he's special to me.
2:39:27
It's like you tell her, yeah, he's just special, OK?
2:39:31
He doesn't have. His.
2:39:32
Ears modified. He's the happiest puppy.
2:39:35
I don't even know how old. How old is he?
2:39:37
Do we not old? He's like maybe 2.
2:39:40
Or three at this point. Like he because he got him
2:39:42
because he was in the bus in the in the soup.
2:39:46
They did remember that he took them to the in the soup house.
2:39:49
So it has to be at least maybe 3 or 4.
2:39:53
Yeah, he was. He was like, really, I think he
2:39:55
was relatively. He was a puppy when it was in
2:39:57
the soup too, so I think he was. And the soup too was 2022.
2:40:02
Must have been. I don't know what it was.
2:40:04
So yeah, he's only, he's not even 10.
2:40:06
He's not. Even like, well, he's got to be
2:40:08
then four or five, though that's still pretty.
2:40:10
Especially for a big dog like that dogs that's old because
2:40:14
they typically I don't want to put.
2:40:16
It downer but like bigger dogs like that don't typically live
2:40:20
to be past 10 if that. It's very rare Most of them live
2:40:25
close to like 7 to like 9 years old.
2:40:29
Like, I don't mean to like, be a downer, but like, he could,
2:40:33
depending on his health issues, like he might not be for a long
2:40:38
time, like, help make it through tour, OK?
2:40:41
I help him make it through there.
2:40:43
But I don't know much past that what his health issues are
2:40:47
without knowing. Yeah, well, to to get happier
2:40:51
and not. Talk about Bam sudden doom.
2:40:54
We also saw a clip of like Hobie pottering and I didn't know he
2:40:57
did pottery. I need like more information of
2:41:00
that I'm sure Can I see like what you've made?
2:41:03
Yes. Does he make them for gifts for
2:41:05
the do you like? Do you make them for like?
2:41:07
Bowls and stuff to use, Do you make them for decoration?
2:41:10
I actually need more information, but I'm not
2:41:13
surprised. Hobie is very creative when it
2:41:15
comes to like. Like he not only does dance, he
2:41:17
has a really good eye for design.
2:41:19
He does a man well. He made that a lot of hot.
2:41:23
Things for his ETS merch he had the little succulent looking
2:41:29
pot. Yeah, I love that.
2:41:31
One so like I feel like that is like.
2:41:34
You said like non, it's very on brand for him because he does.
2:41:37
He has an eye for design like crazy.
2:41:40
Yeah, he's getting granted. I like the.
2:41:44
Idea that he just keeps like. Every present that he's given
2:41:47
the members for the last like 2 years has been something that
2:41:51
he's like he's he's put he's potted on the wheel.
2:41:54
And so it's just like, here's a pot for your pens.
2:41:56
He's like, thanks. So here's another mug like him
2:41:59
just being someone who just gives everybody mugs and then
2:42:02
they're just like the mugs accumulate and he's like,
2:42:05
thanks, another mug. I just think it's just like this
2:42:08
like dream in my head. Like they're just like thanks
2:42:12
and open up a taxi. I'll be there.
2:42:14
I'll be, I'm going to say Gina Will.
2:42:15
Buy every. Mug she loves mugs for how much
2:42:18
coffee she drinks and then and then each of the guys just
2:42:21
having a sit down. I was like, listen, I.
2:42:22
Live on my own, I only need one mug, maybe 2.
2:42:26
Stop making me mugs. How cute would it be to get a
2:42:29
dog bowl made by Hobie? That would be really cute
2:42:33
though. Make a little dog.
2:42:36
But then instead of mugs, he's. Like OK, so the next prize it
2:42:38
will. Be a bowl you can never.
2:42:41
Go wrong with bowls you can have.
2:42:43
Too many bowls. OK, just just just wait The the
2:42:46
the the junk hot sock. Tableware line it's coming.
2:42:49
I actually want that. I would buy.
2:42:51
I'd buy, I'd. Buy the fuck out.
2:42:53
Exactly. Listen, this also goes into your
2:42:56
older. Fan face Hobie like come on,
2:42:58
we'll take it. They know they got the stack.
2:43:01
They know, that's why they so much their stuff was.
2:43:02
Home wear, they're like, oh, these aren't like young kids who
2:43:04
need like stationary and like stuff for their school, for
2:43:07
their school bags. No, these are like grown women
2:43:09
with money with houses that we want to decorate.
2:43:12
Listen, I would take some Jungle Sock wine.
2:43:15
Glasses like in a design me some wine glasses with a cool
2:43:20
coloured stem, like rainbows and spiral.
2:43:23
Yeah, wow, make it happen, Yes. So the last thing I.
2:43:28
Do want to talk on before we officially end again.
2:43:31
It's they talked about body to body a lot.
2:43:33
I was actually really surprised how much this song was like
2:43:37
discussed. But they also have like, you
2:43:39
know, another meeting when they're back in Korea and
2:43:42
they're actually talking with Bong PD.
2:43:43
He joins the meeting this time. I also don't want to like stay
2:43:47
on this topic too much because I know this is a very sensitive
2:43:50
topic for people. So I guess like trigger war to
2:43:52
get away. But like Jin did make the
2:43:54
comment of like never seeing anyone in the hype gym except
2:43:58
for Nam June and like pointed out how like everyone got so
2:44:02
skinny. Yeah.
2:44:03
So yeah, I just I know we noticed it.
2:44:07
I didn't think anyone would say anything.
2:44:09
I don't like the discussion I was seeing.
2:44:11
I've never want to talk about anyone's bodies.
2:44:13
OK, because that's your body's your body the way like health
2:44:17
looks different on everyone. But the people saying like they
2:44:20
were too buff to dance is inaccurate and also shows me
2:44:25
you've never seen like actual men, like male dancers before.
2:44:29
Even ones in ballet are huge. Look at Juan Ho, who's another
2:44:34
one and he's huge and he can be dancing the same moves that like
2:44:40
BTS does. So like that's that's not the
2:44:42
reason, but I just wanted to point that out.
2:44:45
So thank you for pointing that out though and talking about
2:44:48
they're so frail. I'm like Gin shut off it's.
2:44:51
Like what did y'all get so fragile?
2:44:53
Gin was just tired of being called old all the time.
2:44:56
He had to dig. OK, that's true.
2:44:58
They call him Old Man all the time.
2:45:00
That was that. Was getting back for gin and
2:45:02
being like that muscle. 'S there.
2:45:03
It's not even there. Yeah, gin's like, where'd yours
2:45:06
go now, bro? You talk about my.
2:45:08
Muscle two months ago. Yeah, like Teyang was built
2:45:11
jumping out of helicopters. Through glass windows and now
2:45:14
look at you. Nothing there.
2:45:16
It's just, yeah, it's just banter.
2:45:18
It disappeared when JK hugged me.
2:45:20
Now what happened to that? Now you can see me, right?
2:45:24
But yes, so basically. That whole meeting again, like
2:45:27
we. I just mentioned it was talk
2:45:29
about body to body and once again using the sample of
2:45:32
Adirong and like Bong PD was like mentioning to them because
2:45:36
he was the one who really pitched like having that sample
2:45:38
in there. Like he wanted that sample in
2:45:40
there. Like just imagine like the 60 to
2:45:43
70,000 people in like the stadium, especially since most
2:45:46
of them are going to be foreigners, like singing along
2:45:48
to Adi Dong, how iconic that would be.
2:45:51
But it's still their decision on how they want to keep that
2:45:55
sample into body to body. Again, it was agreed upon that
2:45:59
it was going to be in the song. They just couldn't figure out at
2:46:02
the time, like, how to use it. Or in this case, too, I don't
2:46:05
even know if he was maybe telling them, like, if you don't
2:46:07
want it at all, it's still your decision.
2:46:10
It could have been that as well. And then Hobie was mentioning
2:46:13
like, you know, he preferred the short version that they first
2:46:17
listened to. John Cook had also chimed in to
2:46:20
mention that like many people who aren't Korean won't
2:46:22
recognize him. But ultimately like they should
2:46:25
choose what sounds better in a song.
2:46:28
I know Bong PD had said something back to him.
2:46:31
I'm like, it doesn't matter if the song is good or bad but I
2:46:33
didn't write it down so I can't remember exactly what he said.
2:46:37
But then Namjin was also talking about like how we saw both sides
2:46:40
bringing up what Hobie had mentioned in LA, like as a
2:46:43
reference for them, like when they first heard like beats from
2:46:46
Africa or like Brazil, because, you know, they're neither of
2:46:48
those races are like ethnicities.
2:46:50
How they found it fascinating and exciting because it sounds
2:46:54
so different. So it's probably going to be the
2:46:55
same with like non Koreans listening to Adidan Bong PD also
2:46:59
brings up like how it's impossible to and not deny that
2:47:02
they are once in a generation icons, How they also can like
2:47:07
deny that they're Korean, which what we were talking about
2:47:09
earlier of like at the end of the day, you can't like question
2:47:12
their Korean this little like saying they're not Korean enough
2:47:15
because I just I don't understand that this course like
2:47:19
anyway, but like now their audience is on a global scale
2:47:23
and it's not just for Koreans. So like that's an undeniable
2:47:27
fact. But still, at the end of the
2:47:28
day, that is their call, which I think is what we had brought up
2:47:32
earlier as well as far as like we were discussing Nicole as far
2:47:36
as like making music to still, yes, please your fans, but like
2:47:40
you're out of scale now where like people who aren't your fans
2:47:43
are interested in going to tune in because they want to see what
2:47:45
the hype is about. So it's also just making music
2:47:47
to where like, I don't want to say like earn their respect.
2:47:50
But at the same time, it is kind of that in a way, I guess I
2:47:55
don't know how to really frame that, if that makes sense.
2:47:58
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'll just add that when
2:48:00
I. Heard the short version of body
2:48:02
to body. I was like too short, way too
2:48:05
short. I'm so used to the longer
2:48:07
version and loving the longer version.
2:48:08
The longer it goes on better, the more I'm vibing.
2:48:11
And when I heard that short version, I was like, Nah, I
2:48:14
would have been, you know, biased, of course, but I would
2:48:17
be like, I kind of felt like if I'd heard the short version, I
2:48:19
would have been dissatisfied because I would have wanted the
2:48:21
vibe to keep going. So I mean, yeah.
2:48:23
And this from the perspective of someone who loves that album and
2:48:26
thinks it's all just, it's all just brilliant.
2:48:28
So I'm glad they went with the longer version in the end.
2:48:31
I think. See, that's the thing.
2:48:32
I think this confusing with the shorter and longer version.
2:48:34
I think so the version. That we got now.
2:48:36
I don't even know if that's considered the shorter or longer
2:48:38
because the singing doesn't start until after I I don't know
2:48:42
if it's Taylor Gin after they're done singing, then the Audion
2:48:46
singing starts. Whereas before the singing was
2:48:48
like looped in with their singing as well.
2:48:51
But I prefer the version we have now where it's separated it out.
2:48:54
It's still part of the song, and we got like the introduction
2:48:58
slowly of the instrumentals, but we didn't hear the singings
2:49:01
until later. Like, it's not all jumbled
2:49:03
together is what like Namjun and Yugi had a problem with.
2:49:06
So yeah, the version we have now I really like and I'm glad they
2:49:09
went that direction and not tried to overlap it with, like,
2:49:12
the members singing. Yeah.
2:49:14
I also can't remember if unless they cut it short.
2:49:17
When they were talking about the different versions, whether in
2:49:19
one of the versions it didn't have Namjun coming back to
2:49:22
going, I need the whole stadium to jump because that like that
2:49:26
bit I think really like made it. And I think there might have
2:49:28
been one version where they just were like that wasn't there.
2:49:31
And again, I was like, that'd be such a shame because that whole
2:49:34
thing like being being opening to the album and like bringing,
2:49:38
bringing it like, like the, the bringing it like circular, like
2:49:42
bringing it back around from like the traditional,
2:49:44
traditional chat, like chant to back to the energy of it.
2:49:48
So good, So good. Yeah, exactly.
2:49:51
So I. Mean, I didn't see too many
2:49:54
people have this much of A visual reaction like they did
2:49:57
with Nicole, which is interesting because I know Wong
2:50:00
PD Eight really like that much in the fandom.
2:50:02
But that's also another thing I'm needing to separate.
2:50:05
We ain't got time to talk about that, but I just thought that
2:50:08
was interesting. I was also distracted by his
2:50:11
hand the whole time. Yeah.
2:50:12
What did he do to break it? What did he do?
2:50:15
It was just so distracting. He walks in and I'm.
2:50:18
Like what the like what did you do?
2:50:21
Just I had no idea. Like I was just like, are you
2:50:26
trying to be Gin? Because he had the whole hand
2:50:29
casting too. I was like, what the heck did
2:50:31
you do? I don't think so.
2:50:34
Maybe he gave someone. Too hard of a crispy. 5 like hey
2:50:40
damn it, hey, we're not going to go into.
2:50:43
Him because I can talk 5 years about that man Anyway, so yes,
2:50:48
we basically finally ended with like.
2:50:50
BTS talking about like, what being in BTS means to them
2:50:54
physically and emotionally. And then of course, you got you
2:50:57
and he talking about how he wants them to be together until
2:50:59
they're old and grey. And then Namjoon also gets into
2:51:03
it about like, you know, how BTS feels like wearing a crown and,
2:51:07
you know, sometimes that crown gets very heavy.
2:51:10
And I absolutely love how they wrapped up the documentary with
2:51:14
like that live session of them all singing swim.
2:51:17
That was very cool. I've never seen them do
2:51:19
something like that. And I like the way that it was
2:51:21
like shot. It was beautiful.
2:51:23
It made me excited for any like extra kind of.
2:51:26
Performances like that, like, again, I'm old now, I feel like
2:51:28
we need a tiny desk because that is, that was so good.
2:51:32
That would be so amazing. And yeah, just like them
2:51:35
stripped back like that. And I liked how like, in terms
2:51:38
of the narrative, like if we're thinking of this as a
2:51:40
documentary that is aimed at like including armies, of
2:51:43
course, and then we'll be watching.
2:51:45
But to people that have also never encountered BTS before for
2:51:47
the very first time, it's like the whole, it sets up throughout
2:51:51
the whole narrative of the documentary, like, they're back,
2:51:55
They're massive. There's so much hype.
2:51:56
They've worked really hard. They went for their trials.
2:51:58
They they came to the end of it. And guess what?
2:52:01
They can sing really bloody good.
2:52:03
And it's just like, yeah. So on top of all of that, here
2:52:06
is them like, no, you know, like just no effect.
2:52:09
Like just straight up just great.
2:52:11
And I was like, yeah, yeah. And I just, I think that
2:52:13
hopefully there were a lot of people at the end of that.
2:52:16
I was like, fuck, I guess I'm standing at BTS now.
2:52:18
I was like yes you should, so did its job but you can't get a
2:52:22
ticket sorry. That already happened way
2:52:26
before, and I'm glad I did before the album dropped.
2:52:28
I mean, you can, but the prices are crazy for resale.
2:52:32
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
2:52:35
Also like they get, they go, they go up for.
2:52:36
Sale for like I get like an alert of when like this thing
2:52:38
goes up for Sale by the time that I've seen it clicked on the
2:52:41
e-mail, clicked on the link and said oh, it's gone.
2:52:43
I'm like, bloody hell, like yeah, people are on it.
2:52:47
So one thing I do need them to get their act together.
2:52:51
On is the freaking light stick OK, and I don't have time to go
2:52:55
into this. We can talk about this later,
2:52:56
but it brought me to when you were talking about the like
2:52:59
scarcity market. Don't do that for the light
2:53:01
stick, especially if you're not going to make it available after
2:53:03
a certain time. You only want us to use this new
2:53:06
version. You have like I'm lucky I could
2:53:09
use my version 3 for the stops I'm going to when I go to the
2:53:13
stops with Gina, I can't and I want it.
2:53:16
So that would be you asking. You don't get it, No.
2:53:19
Because they messed up with Target.
2:53:22
And they only had like 20 of those probably at each store.
2:53:25
And like people were lined up since like 5:00 AM waiting for
2:53:29
that even had to put a limit on it.
2:53:32
It's it was a wild at Target. I I was.
2:53:35
There. But I was there for Caitlin
2:53:37
because she wanted one of those sweatshirts, targeted, exclusive
2:53:40
sweatshirts. Yeah.
2:53:41
And they never went on sale. Online because they didn't have
2:53:44
enough and I don't know when they're going to restock.
2:53:47
And Weavers also hasn't restocked.
2:53:49
I'm just like, yeah, even after all that.
2:53:53
Like big corporations? Underestimating the the pull and
2:53:56
the desire for BTS 2 all this time I got mine from Korea and
2:54:02
it came very. Quickly and I'm very.
2:54:04
Happy. Yeah, Unfortunately I was asleep
2:54:06
when they. Went on sale so I even have a
2:54:09
fighting chance. Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
2:54:13
I'll find a. Way it's fine, but yes.
2:54:15
Everyone. That was the documentary of BTS
2:54:19
The Return. Yay.
2:54:23
Any closing thoughts we have? Overall, I'm just excited to see
2:54:27
BTS. They're bad guys.
2:54:29
Sometimes it doesn't feel real, but you know, they're, they're
2:54:32
truly, truly back. We've waited so long for this.
2:54:36
I know there's a lot of controversy going on with this
2:54:38
album, but at the end of the day, I'm enjoying it.
2:54:41
I'm shaking ass when I need to shake ass.
2:54:43
I'm crying when I'm crying. Listen to it a couple times.
2:54:46
I can kind of tell, like which ones are my favorites and which
2:54:48
ones I don't really care for now.
2:54:49
But again, that's part of music. That's part of, you know, that's
2:54:53
the nature of just you don't have to like everything your
2:54:57
face put out, and that's OK. Am I saying I hate them?
2:55:00
No, it's just not for me. Am I still going to be like,
2:55:04
singing along and crying if they perform those certain songs at
2:55:07
the concert? You bet your ass I am.
2:55:11
So I'm running my life. I'm just going to.
2:55:13
Say I. Played it.
2:55:16
In the gym yesterday when I was upping my weights when it was
2:55:20
like really tough. I like I got my personal best.
2:55:23
I did it. You know, I think it's part of
2:55:25
me, but I also think it's part of them.
2:55:27
So thank you ETS. This is a great album.
2:55:30
Also, I just anyone's still feeling like you need to give
2:55:33
the time to ruminate, just try it.
2:55:35
Try it on the leg press machine. Try it when you do goblet
2:55:38
squatting to fire. It's great.
2:55:41
It's great. I love it.
2:55:43
It's great time. I'm just ready to see what this
2:55:46
tour has. In store, I'm ready for tour
2:55:48
season, I'm ready to see all the fan cams, I'm ready to see all
2:55:54
the pictures. I'm just ready to go.
2:55:57
I can't wait. Like I'm I'm swimming into the
2:56:00
next thing. I think I'm just really excited.
2:56:04
I think we've all been waiting for this moment and it's finally
2:56:09
here. And I'm just.
2:56:11
Excited to share it with like all of my friends.
2:56:14
I have friends now. It's so it's so nice to have
2:56:18
friends that get excited about the same things as you.
2:56:23
And I think everybody's going to different stops, Everybody who's
2:56:26
going to be sharing their experiences.
2:56:28
And I think for me, that's like one of the best things.
2:56:31
Like yes seeing BTS obviously is the ultimate but like getting to
2:56:36
hear my friends talk about it and get excited even more is
2:56:42
just an added benefit to having a community and having a fandom.
2:56:46
There is toxic spots in the fandom for sure, but the pockets
2:56:51
that you call like, create is what makes the fandom great, is
2:56:57
like, what makes the experiences better is being able to share it
2:56:59
with people that you have pulled into your life because of the
2:57:04
fandom. So if you don't have friends in
2:57:06
the fandom, now's the time to make them go on those tour dates
2:57:10
and meet some people. Yeah.
2:57:12
Since you're trying, yeah. I mean, like, I've been here,
2:57:16
like I said, it'll be 7 years in October, I will have been in
2:57:21
this fandom and there have been some pretty low lows in that
2:57:24
time in terms of behavior, in terms of scandals, in terms of
2:57:28
conversations, you know, people. But I think like a lot of us,
2:57:33
there's a reason why I'm still here, why a lot of people are
2:57:35
still here and still are just buzzing with so much enthusiasm
2:57:38
for their tour. It's because of them.
2:57:40
I think their enthusiasm like gives us energy.
2:57:43
Like you can see how wearing to go, how much they've waited, how
2:57:45
glad they are to just have this kind of freedom to do it.
2:57:49
And I think just, yeah, like the Army community is, you know,
2:57:53
like I said, they definitely got our we got our issues for sure.
2:57:57
But the end of the day, you take the rough of this move and I
2:58:01
think like, yeah, it's just really nice to found a group of
2:58:04
people that like, you know, even when we're just behind each
2:58:07
other up, like, you know, it. They'll definitely be things
2:58:09
that they will do on the on the tourist stops in the US that I
2:58:13
will probably be absolutely seething with jealousy.
2:58:16
And I just recommend people avoid me on that day.
2:58:19
But then there's going to be something that they're going to
2:58:22
do in London that they aren't going to do anywhere else.
2:58:24
She's going to be on the other front and I'm going to love it.
2:58:27
So yeah, that's the that's the community part and I love it
2:58:30
yes. And of course, if you listen to
2:58:33
us, if. We're, you know, the only place
2:58:35
you can, you know, fangirl about BTS.
2:58:39
We will definitely be talking about the tour and the tour
2:58:41
stops that we go to. So look out for that as well.
2:58:44
You know, we're all just here to share a common interest before I
2:58:50
do my closing. Shannon, was there any, you
2:58:52
know, shout outs for you personally that you want to give
2:58:55
people like where to follow you? Thank you again so much for
2:58:57
joining us on once again. It's a very long episode.
2:59:00
I just knew I knew we were going to go over time.
2:59:02
It's fine. We like to talk 100% a hundred.
2:59:06
Percent. Where can you find me?
2:59:08
So I am at I'm not going to be able to spell this out Schnee on
2:59:13
TikTok. I have been quiet recently, but
2:59:15
then I have kind of come back with a bit of renewed energy for
2:59:18
the comeback. I am on a discord with these
2:59:20
guys and that is where I spend a lot of my time.
2:59:23
So I mean, I think, I think it's a bit of a close Discord, but if
2:59:26
you know, people, maybe give yourself an invitation.
2:59:29
And yeah. And then I'm on, I'm on Twitter,
2:59:32
I'm ransing, I'm just, I'm about, I'm about most people
2:59:35
will just see me like ranting in separate platforms and then
2:59:38
they'll just like have the connection.
2:59:40
So just know I'm lurking wherever you are or whatever
2:59:44
social media platform. You want to use like for people
2:59:47
to follow you, Just let me know. I'll put it in the description
2:59:50
box. But thank you guys so much for
2:59:52
listening to yet another very long episode of I was thinking.
2:59:57
You can follow us on all social media except for XI was thinking
3:00:01
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3:00:05
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3:00:09
So like, let us know how you thought about the comeback.
3:00:10
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find us. And I think that is it.
3:00:26
Yes. So I've been Simone, that has
3:00:29
been Gina and our lovely guest Shannon.
3:00:32
And we will all see you next time.
3:00:35
Bye.