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2026 Update: James · Heavyweight

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Pushkin. Hi, Hello, Hi, Back in the studio again, back
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: in the saddle. Today, we're gonna knock on the door
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: of an old friend of yours named James.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: Ah.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is a first season episode. Yeah, way back
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: to me. It's one of the funniest episodes.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very funny.
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: And it's also one that I would come back to
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: when I was kind of missing my friends, when I
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: was missing both James and Howard, I would just put
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: on this episode and it felt like I could spend
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit of time with them. It is funny
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: that at the time, when we, you know, went off
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: on our mission for this episode full of hope and
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: Shenanigan's in our heart or whatever, we felt like kind
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: of over the hill. Well, you know, we felt like
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: this is like kid stuff. You know, we're like men
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: in our mid forties, you know, and what are we doing.
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: But now listening to it from the vantage point ten
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: years later, I feel like, Wow, were we ever so young?
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: Ten years? My goodness, Yeah, a lot transpires, it turns
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: out in the course of ten years. It certainly does. Yeah,
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: And at the end of the episode, I uh check
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: back in with James to see what his life has
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: been all these years later. Well, enjoy, enjoy, indeed, please
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: make sure the volume is set at a temperate number. Oh,
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: but first, a word from our sponsors. Horrible timing.
• 2:00
  Speaker 3: Six kids in my house, two parents and getting kids
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: ready for Halloween.
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Goldstein calling for doctor Jackie Cohen.
• 2:08
  Speaker 4: I gotta go.
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: Wait wait, wait, hello Jackie. Do you know what? Okay,
• 2:14
  Speaker 1: you're a doctor, right, hurry up. I'm starting to realize,
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: like in the past year, I'm hurry. I'm pretty convinced. Hi,
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: I'm losing hair.
• 2:27
  Speaker 5: You're bald, balding, bald.
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: It's a process, so bald. Now I'm trying to figure
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: out if it's a symptom of something to go, John,
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: I got to go. The party starts in fifteen minutes.
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: You're having a party at your house. Why didn't you
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: invite me over?
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: Do you want to just do the show?
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: Or From Dimlet Media. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and this is
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: Heavyweight Today's episode. James In When he was a kid,
• 3:20
  Speaker 1: James loved taking long walks with his dad, Douglas. Douglas
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: was a film buff, and during these walks, he'd recount
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: the plot to every movie he'd ever seen Hitchcock Kubrick.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: James loved it, and when he grew older and finally
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: got to see the actual movies. As good as they were,
• 3:37
  Speaker 1: they often paled beside the versions. His dad told something
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: of a dreamer and an eccentric. Douglas lived his life
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: as though he himself were a character in a movie.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: He died that way too. On his deathbed, he issued
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: an unexpected final request.
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: The request was that we scatter his ashes on the
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: eighteenth hole of the golf course he loved.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: Each of Douglas's kids was handed a different task regarding
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: the estate. James was put in charge of the ashes.
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: My dad was probably the most important person to me
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: outside obviously my wife and kids. When he died and
• 4:25
  Speaker 3: when the will was recorded, I wasn't there. You were
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: actually there.
• 4:29
  Speaker 2: I think I was there.
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: Douglas was nearing the end and urgently needed to sign
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: his will, and James, who lived out of town, couldn't
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: make it in time, so he asked me and our
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: other good friend Howard, to go to his father's bedside
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: and bear legal witness to the signing of the will.
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: To this day, James still carries around a lot of
• 4:49
  Speaker 1: regret about not being able to be there. Although I
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: know it's unlikely, my memory of that day is of
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: Douglas wearing an ascot tucked into his hospital robe, regardless
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: of whether he actually was. Douglas was the kind of
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: man who always gave the impression of wearing an ascot
• 5:09
  Speaker 1: as always he was gentlemanly and cordial, this in spite
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: of the fact that he would pass away within the
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: next forty eight hours. Douglas was born an illegitimate child
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: in a poor part of England and raised by a
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  Speaker 1: single mom. As a young man, he felt judged and
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: carried with him the feeling of always having to prove himself,
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: even going so far as to affect a posh, upper
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  Speaker 1: class accent. For Douglas, golf was the domain of the
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: wealthy and sophisticated, and having his ashes placed on the
• 5:47
  Speaker 1: eighteenth hole of his beloved golf course, an event that
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: James says he probably envisioned being accompanied by bagpipes and artillery,
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: would mean finally receiving his due. But James is yet
• 5:58
  Speaker 1: to honor his father's request. It's now been sixteen years.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: Is it just procrastination?
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I told myself. Yeah, I can vividly remember,
• 6:10
  Speaker 3: you know, a day afterwards thinking, oh, yeah, the simplest thing.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: In fact, it seems so simple that we'll get to it.
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: And now, sixteen years later, it's very complicated. I think,
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: to be honest with you, there's a part of me
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: that wants to hold on to them because it's.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: My dad.
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: And so the urn moved from mantles to closets for
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: a long time. It even knocked around in the trunk
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: of James's car. It now sits on a shelf in
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: his basement. Do you think it would be it Would
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: it be a load off your head if you were
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: able to spread the ashes.
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: The amount of times I cried, you know, going on
• 7:01
  Speaker 3: about how what a terrible son I was to not
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  Speaker 3: honor his request, and the guilt I have about the
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: way he died, and you know I didn't deal with
• 7:10
  Speaker 3: it well, and.
• 7:11
  Speaker 1: It's all a piece.
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: He As he got sicker and sicker, he wanted to
• 7:20
  Speaker 3: go home desperately, and myself and my siblings decided he
• 7:27
  Speaker 3: could not go home because he was a hoarder.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: Though it wasn't clear that he ever used them. Douglas
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: had an entire room filled solely with golf clubs. Having
• 7:37
  Speaker 1: lived through the war. He also saved empty TV dinner trays,
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: old microwaves, and broken radios that he'd find on the street.
• 7:44
  Speaker 3: We decided he could not go back there, and he
• 7:48
  Speaker 3: was so upset about that, and he went out just.
• 7:52
  Speaker 6: Really angry.
• 7:54
  Speaker 2: He just wanted to go home.
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  Speaker 3: I can't fix the way he died, but this was
• 8:00
  Speaker 3: his one request and I haven't honored it. And not
• 8:05
  Speaker 3: only would I be putting to bed something that's been
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: dogging me for years, I think I'd also feel pretty
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: proud of myself that I'm the person I want.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: To be, since the person I want to be is
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: the person who helps people be the people they want
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: to be. I asked James if he'd like me to
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: help him lay his father's ashes to rest, and James said, yes,
• 8:29
  Speaker 1: would you want to do that?
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course I do.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: The objective infiltrate Douglas's fancy old golf course and scatter
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: the ashes the obstacles except the genarian narcs with prying eyes,
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: not to mention the fact that scattering earthly remains is
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: against the law. For this to work, we need the
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: right team. James was the key man our entry point
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: into the operation and I was the bank bankrolling the
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: green for expenditures. All that was missing was a front man.
• 9:03
  Speaker 1: We needed a person of quick wit.
• 9:05
  Speaker 5: We have bat Cat, sat fat.
• 9:07
  Speaker 1: Someone cool under pressure. We needed that's I'm here Howard.
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: Not only was Howard our oldest friend, but he was
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: there with me the day the will was signed and
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: the directive was given. And to top it off, Howard
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: never met a grift, swindle or flim flam. He didn't
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: think was eggs and the coffee. Okay, fill your pockets
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: with extra after dinner mints at the local diner. Check
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: avail yourself. Avill gained coffee refills through a counterfeit Russian
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: Seniors card double check. Howard was always on the make
• 9:44
  Speaker 1: and up for anything. The date had been set Sunday,
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: which also, as it happens, was Father's Day. The team
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: was in place. We just needed to sort out logistics.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Thursday eight forty eight pm. Howard, Hey, Hi, hi, Hi, Hello,
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: I'm on the phone with James.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to get us all together to strategize
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit. So, Howard, is there any wisdom or
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: experience that you could bring to bear from you know,
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: past things, that you've done like this.
• 10:22
  Speaker 4: From my previous heist experience. Yeah, well we shouldn't do
• 10:26
  Speaker 4: as we get too high. Yeah, that's in one. Some
• 10:29
  Speaker 4: booze maybe might help steal our nerves.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: So do you want to try to go there and
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: play golf?
• 10:38
  Speaker 4: No, I've never golfed.
• 10:39
  Speaker 6: I don't know how to golf, so I've never golfed either.
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  Speaker 6: And it's the eighteenth hole too, so I wish it
• 10:44
  Speaker 6: was the first hole because we could just go and
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  Speaker 6: suck and then do our thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, specimically needs the eighteenth hole.
• 10:51
  Speaker 6: Right, eighteenth hole, it's a last hole.
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  Speaker 4: But if there's someone there watching us, how we how
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  Speaker 4: do we do it?
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  Speaker 6: The clubhouse is near the eighteenth hole. It looks over
• 11:00
  Speaker 6: the eighteenth hole, so that's another challenge.
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: What the clubhouse?
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: Clearly there was a lot of work to be done.
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Nine two pm. A quick look at the golf course
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: website reveals a very specific dress code polo shirts, belts,
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  Speaker 1: golf shoes, something called a tilly hat. If wearing a
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: polo shirt with some kind of bonnet wasn't embarrassing enough,
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: the rules explicitly stated that all shirts were to be
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: tucked in to your pants for this to work. We
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: need to honor the dress code to a t. In short,
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: we need the best disguises money could buy, and as
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: the bank, it was my job to secure the greenbacks.
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: After a brief parlay with Gimblet founder in CEO Alex Bloomberg,
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I'm told my budget is fifty dollars, to which I say,
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: but I've already promised the crew I take them shopping
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: at JC Penny and now I'll look like an idiot,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: to which he says what crew, and I say never mind.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Alex then tells me to take it up with Matt
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: because he's in the middle of a boardroom meeting. But
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: Matt scares me, so I just convert the green to
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: Canadian travelers checks, a safe, responsible move. So Alex, if
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: you're listening, you should at least cover the service fees.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: Except you probably aren't listening because you're too busy with
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: your precious startup. So although it probably wasn't the kind
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: of establishment James's posh dad Douglas would approve of, we'd
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: need to hit the only place we could afford after you,
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: all right, Friday twelve thirty six pm. It turns out
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: the sports section of a Goodwill can be a pretty
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: sad place, unstrung badminton rackets, water logged nerve footballs you
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: only hope are logged with water.
• 12:50
  Speaker 5: And one boxing glove.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: That's the As an advanced student of the heist film
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: as genre, I know that when pulling off a big job,
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: the perfect outfit is crucial. Think Michael Kaine's lux white
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: turtleneck in The Italian Job or Elliott Gould's neckerchief in
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  Speaker 1: Ocean's eleven.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: They have some very nice slacks here, I will say,
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  Speaker 3: and the prices are very affordable.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: You want to try on the polo shirts, not exactly
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: Frankie munez is wrap around shades and agent Cody Banks,
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: but it'll have to do.
• 13:21
  Speaker 5: Look at these two, Oh, it's like rayon.
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: The good news is that the Goodwill has changing rooms.
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: The bad news is that there's only one, and it's
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: about the size of a bus station toilet stall. I'm
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: going to come in with you, but since we are
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: a a team and be absolutely fearless together, we cram
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: in and like any team would strip completely naked. That
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: might be the uglies. It bears mentioning that the shirt
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: Howard is referring to is creamsicle orange and bears the
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: logo of a plumbing company, and luckiest of lucky days,
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: he's found the exact same shirts for me and James.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: This way, he reasons, we can all match like a crew.
• 14:09
  Speaker 5: He looks good. It's supposed to look good. It's golfing.
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: Oh man.
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: Howard, James and I have known each other since we're teenagers.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: Back then we used to hang out like this all
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: the time, just doing goofy stuff. But we now live
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: in separate cities with wives, kids, jobs, and we never
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: get to do this kind of thing anymore. Standing around
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the afternoon, laughing in the buff
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: with old friends feels nice.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: So this is good. We got We've got shirts, and
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: I got a belt.
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: As we exit into the parking lot, our plastic sacks
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: plump with glad rags, something straight up magical happens.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: God.
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: Before getting too excited about what we think we might
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: be seeing, possibly, we wait confirmation from the man who
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: can spot a con a mile off a double rainbow.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: It's legit a double rainbow. And even Howard's impressed mildly,
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: and so James and I give ourselves over fully overcome
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: by this fortuitous sign. The crew was moved to song.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: So it was red and purple and crimson and green
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: apple and.
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: A rainbow was a good omen like James's dad, Douglas
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: was looking down on us and smiling a big multicolored
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: upside down smile.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And jen blue.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: Sure we were dressed to the eighteens, but if we
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: each took forty five minutes to sink a ball from
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: two feet away, we might attract suspicion. We needed to
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: train hard. I'm talking rocky running through waist high Russian
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: snow hard, a montage of steel drum musicians learning to
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: play Chariots of Fire set to the tune of Ayah
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the Tiger hard. I'm talking actually learning how to play golf.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: We find a driving range in the fancier part of
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: town and book a golf pro by the name of Stephen. Saturday,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: one pm. Are you Stephen, Hey, Stephen, I'm Jonathan, This
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  Speaker 1: is Howard, and this is James.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: This is Stephen.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Stephen a smile with more dimples than the golf balls.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: He lovingly cradles a tall drink of sports aqua velva
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: ou de toilette. If ever, there was Stephen's been golfing
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: professionally for over twenty years, and couldn't be nicer or
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: better smelling and considering the frantic barrage of imbecilic questions,
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: we ask he also couldn't be more patient.
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: Those official golf shoes. Yeah, well I want good questions
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: and stupid what a golfer think about? Like happy Gilmore?
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Can we like that they find that they find insulting?
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: After a brief lecture on the basic how tos hit
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: ball with stick, cold stick, with hands, get ball in hole,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: we're ready. We insist James go first. After all, this
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: is his mission, every want of whose doings is finished
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: just like this. Yeah, we're going to get to the well.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Stephen tenderly positions James hips and elbows. Howard grabs my
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: microphone and golf commentates.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: I'd say he looks really, really horrible. It's just ridiculous looking.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: I'm not encouraging.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Somehow James manages to connect on his very first try.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: That's good.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Everyone's saying very encouraging things. But it's really horrible. Is
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: the same. But he got it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: It went in the air and he hit it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: It's like you say to a child. He's like, good
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: you hit it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Stephen looks over at Howard, who now squats in the grass,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: untying and retying his two left footed Goodwill issued golf shoes.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: And then he looks over at me, a grown man
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: in a two large tilly hat, strings cinched tight enough
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: beneath the chin to ensure the clenched, jawed vocal affect
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of a young Atharine. Hepburn. He waives us to come hither,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: offering up something in the way of inspiration.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna try to make it go from right to left.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: It must feel really good when you get it up
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: in the air like that.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Well, it's great because that's the goal, right, is to
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: get it up.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: The golf ball flies straight up into the air, and then,
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: as though eerily achieving human consciousness in mid flight, suddenly
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: takes a sharp left wa so cool. Howard, baptized in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: the backsplash of Stephen's pheromones, is born again. He's seen
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the pinnacle of male perfection, and James, it is not see.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: James, that's what it looks like. That's when a man
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: hits a golf ball. A male of the species is
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: a golf ball.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Next up is Howard. He steps to the tee grips
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: the club, and just the way Stephen instructed, does this
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: adorable waddle back and forth to get his footing just so.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: And then did you hear that? Let me play it
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: again thrice a swing and a miss, a swing and
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a miss, a swing and a miss.
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: That's too much. Well, but if you're losing your balance
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: swings fast. The first twenty five years are tough.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Oh Steven, all this and funny too. My attempts were
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: just as fruitless. As it turns out, golf is hard.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: We wonder if Douglas knew just how difficult a mission
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: he'd sent us on.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: How would we do without the golf pro standing there
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: helping us?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: You know the difference between golf clubs, And.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: There's a wet No, I don't, not really, I mean
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I know it's.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: Lemedge driver, putter, one iron, two iron, three iron, putter, driver.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: Pudder.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: One am. It's the night before the job, and the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: reality of our situation begins to set in. How can
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: any sting be stung when the would be stingers absolutely
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: stink at golf? Clearly this plan wasn't going to work,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and so at a quarter to two in the morning,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: panic set in.
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: It's impossible.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: It's impossible for us to play golf.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: We would suck so hard we would never make it
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: off the first fucking hole.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: And if we knocked the balls anywhere.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm with you, it's like.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Only how to fucking juggle. It's like it's it's an
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: incredibly impossible thing to do. It's gonna be so obvious
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: that there's something's up because we've never fucking golfed.
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's the issue. If we're doing any sort of subterfuge,
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: we're going to be the most obvious, conspicuous people in
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: the world, vicious. And then we'll have to get all
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: the way to the eighteenth holl That takes hours, I
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: mean literally hours, even if you're good, literally Yeah, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: then try to get the ashes out forget it.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Two fifteen am. Do you guys know what? Stomp rockets
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: are growing desperate? We chuck the old plan and begin
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to free associate new plans.
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: We need a T shirt cannon. Well you know actually
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: that that could work.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Three zho five am.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: What if we dumped them into say, like a balloon
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and then filled it with water and then whip them
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: so they'll explode all on the eighteenth Green and that's it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: This was going nowhere. So I raised the possibility of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: our pulling off a night job for those of you
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: squares who need to be hept to it. That's a
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: job one performs at night.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I think they might have dogs.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: What if they think we're like terrorists or something super
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: super posh exclusive club going late at night with someone's
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: human remains, which is fucking totally illegal. Yeah, I mean
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: they must have some sort of security there.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: Well, hunch percent.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: The sun was coming up soon, So I suggest that,
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: like in Dog Day Afternoon or Reservoir Dogs, or really
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: any other movies about dogs that I've also not seen
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: but can only assume have happy, heartwarming endings, maybe we
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: just show up during the day and hope for the best.
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: This idea, Okay, that works for me, they.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Liked After the break the a team of golf sets
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: off on its mission.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I want to be golf Lungren and you can be
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: mister t t o E.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: Right, gotcha?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I want one of mine.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: You just know it's wedge. Your Reginald Van cleef.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: Yous want to drink Scotch yet?
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: Maybe on ice? Sure? Thank you?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Sunday eight ten am father's day arrives, a beautiful one
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in Montreal. James says, it's a lot like the day
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Douglas died. We all rendezvous at the safe house, which
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: also happens to be Howard's wreck room. James has held
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: on to his dad's arn for sixteen years, but he's
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: always kept it in the velvet bag it came with,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: so he's never actually handled it. Earlier in the day, though,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: in anticipation of the job, he withdrew it. And if
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: there was any question about just how much Douglas loved golf,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it was immediately answered by what was revealed. Etched into
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: the side of the urn was a golfer in mid swing.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: It hears to you, Dad, don't you some of Brucy's
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: poop bags that are actually unsentive, which is kind of nice.
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: We're gonna use these to transfer some of James's beloved's
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: father's ashes in't here.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Herod had the idea of using his pugs poop bags
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to separate the ashes into portions for each of us.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: His reasoning, should one of us get pinched by some
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: golf clubhouse Johnny Law, the two surviving members of the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: crew could still carry out the job.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Oh my god, this is so strange.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Oh what a business.
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: I know, what a business?
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: I death, what business.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you, I'm glad.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I'm I've had a couple of drinks still getting off,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: sent them out, But I'm really glad you guys are.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Doing this with me.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: You're part of this thing. For sixteen years, was there
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: was this sort of fear that I wouldn't be able
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: to handle dealing with.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: It, the physicality of it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: But if there's something I'm now grateful for it, and
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: I wonder if there was some wisdom in it, is
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: that he has compelled me to deal with this. I've
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: never cursed him for it, but I've been angry. I've
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: never been angry, but I've been I don't know what
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: the word is, sort of like fuck. You know, you
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: couldn't just go without, you couldn't just die. You had
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to make this somewhat absurd, ridiculous request that was impractical
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: and almost impossible to achieve. But I'm right saying right
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: now kind of almost grateful for it. So let's hope,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: let's hope we're successful.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Today eight twenty five a m. As we set off
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: on the job, Howard show's doubts about his outfit.
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: I looked like a fat failure of a dentist. I
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: looked like I lost my practice because I put dentures
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: in a child's mouth.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: As we near the golf course, James grows silent. Am
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I have part in a space?
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: All right? Good show?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: How are you feeling nervous? I'm going to park near here,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: just for a quick getaway from the parking lot. We
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: wind our way towards the green. Maybe it's testament to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a tillie had cocked at just the right angle. But
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: nobody seems to be stopping us. We have infiltrated.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Like how manicured it is. It's like it's like it
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: looks like a pool table. Also, it was a pile
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: of ashes there in the middle.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: The golf course is what you'd expect, green grass as
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: far as the eye can see, trees, ponds. It's beautiful
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: and under normal circumstances, it'd make us feel peaceful like,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: but just now it's making us feel out of place,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: reminding us of who we are. Three frightened middle aged
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: man dressed in discarded plumbing company uniforms, struggling under the
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: weight of our bully knapsacks and a mission that just
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: now feels too big for us. I don't know, should
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: we just try to go to the eighteenth hole or
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: should we go in?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: And that's I believe that's it, isn't it?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: As it turns out, the eighteenth hole is the hole
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: nearest the parking lot. That red flag right destination screen
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of the eighteenth hole, and that is it.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: It is the most conspicuous hole. So thanks a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: that right now we can Right now we're gonna washing, even.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Now we decided to play it cool case the joint.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: We make our way to the ninth hole, which is
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: out of view, and it's here that fear sets in,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: and with it bargaining.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: The ninth hole, Dad, right here be perfect. I could
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: go with the whole urned dump it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe he liked the screen, he likes, he liked the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: whole golf course.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: It wasn't his.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But I know this is the back nine.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I know he liked about next denial.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: That's my question.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: Why don't your dad, who is an avid golfer, who
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: is probably really really serious about these games, why would
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: he want to put his ashes on the green which
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: would interfere with another golfers.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: I suggest we cool our heels in the clubhouse, and
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the boys agree. It turns out that that evening is
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a Father's Day banquet, so the staff is rushing to prepare,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: which allows us to wander around relatively unnoticed. The club
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: goes back about one hundred years and on the walls
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: are hung old brown and white photos and plaques commemorating
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the members who've died fighting in both World Wars. Since
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: almost the start of our mission, James had expressed a
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: fear that maybe no one at the club would even
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: remember his dad. Douglas was just such a loner that
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: over the years James had never met any of his friends.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: As far as he knew, he didn't really have any.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: There was a lot about his dad he didn't know,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: like whether he was even an good at golf. So
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: we was hoping he might find some small trace of
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: him here, a photo, or even his name on a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: list somewhere. Oh the registreet we find a large, old
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: looking book that lists every champion in the course's history. Wow,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: it goes back to nineteen o three wounds up.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure he's probably documented in some books somewhere.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: It's just, of course, I'll find it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Do you want to check that book? Did you look
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: through will?
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't see anything of her. Since the book won't talk,
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: we look for someone who will. We stop every staff
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: member and golfer who looks old enough and ask if
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: they remember Douglas.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: I'm saying that Douglas Hurst.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: The passed away in two thousand. We're hoping to find
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: some sort of side of him.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: But yet I don't know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: The name doesn't ring a bell.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Douglas Hurst a long time ago.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: People who remember him and I played six in the morning.
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: So the only guys I know are the grass.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I didn't know him, No, Dice and Hill.
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: Dug Hurst, you guys knew him?
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: Sure that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: In a basement room, squeezed into an armchair watching golf
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: on TV, is Serge Sarge, a French Canadian bulldog of
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a man. He pours fistfuls of mixed nuts into his mouth,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: which he washes down with generous slugs from his beer.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Craizy dog.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: That's you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Through the half jar of fancy cocktail nuts crammed into
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: his grizzled ma. You might not be able to understand
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the words. Sarge is desperately trying to choke out. He's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: saying crazy Doug. Crazy Doug is his nickname for James's dad.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm so glad I found someone who remembered him.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: We asked a few people and not too many of
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Bambernham helped me find in maybe a staff member who
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: had been here a while and no one knew a
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: lot of you.
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: I'm very well.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: So is he a good golf player?
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: Was he good?
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: It was a good golfer? Using Yeah, it was like
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: I was it eight or nine handicap? Okay, Oh, that's
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: very good. He is like the top five percent of
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: all the golfers in the world.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: So he was very good. He was very good, and
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: he was dedicated. The room full of golf clubs that
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: James had thought was garbage, Sarah spoke of it with respect.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: He called it the largest most complete collection of golf
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: clubs in all of Canada. You never want to hear
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: someone refer to a person you love by a pet
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: name prefixed by the word crazy. But the benefit is
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: that when they tell you stuff about your dad, you
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: know they're being honest. So when Sarah says what he
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: says next, James knows he can believe him.
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: I don't think I have ever met somebody as brilliant
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: as your death, the level depth of knowledge about everything.
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: But on the other side, he was also very I
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: wasn't not.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Too shy, isolated like executive.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he quickly alone. We saw him very rarely on
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: the clubhouse.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: I think it was because he was a bit of
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: a loner.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: But he did love for.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: People, and he loved the people here, and he did
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: love all his friends here. But he really loved to
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: come at six in the morning when he could just
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: do his thing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: That was very my father. That's what I really used
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: to say, dude, it's very my father.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: And it's not that he didn't like people. He just
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: liked to do things at his speed, his way, and
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: be done because he was sort of a loner.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: He was a loner.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: He's my father.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: You're the son of your father.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: And with that, it's time for James to become the
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: son his father had asked him to be and do
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: the job we came for.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: And I think it's a great a way that we
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: just we're just walking around, we're members, members, sons.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: We head back outside and walk with purpose to the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: eighteenth hole. Fate would have it. The coast is clear.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Actually, James, your hand right now here just just kind
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: of just just kind of cool.
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, tire shoe, tire shoe, this opportunity right now. Let's
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: walk with.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Him, with Howard on his left and me on his right.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: We walked James out to the green, doing our best
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: to protect him from view.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but we're walking with you. Say something.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe I will say something in my head.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Do you want to say something in your head?
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just saying something in my head.
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, we're actually doing this.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: This is incredible because you're actually doing it right now.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: This is actually happening.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: He's actually putting his dad's ashes right on the eighteenth hole,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: just like he wanted.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: We didn't think this would be possible.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Actually, James just tip this hat he put he just
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: dumped it right into the eighteenth hole.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: Pre discreet. I got it right in the hole. That
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: felt really good.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Right in the hole.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I feel great.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I feel awesome.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Howard and I are feeling pretty good too. This is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: the last time James would ever get to do something
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: his dad had asked him to do, and we're proud
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: to be a small part of it. We put our
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: arms around our friend's neck and pat his back.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, well you got back home.
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: That's incredible.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Happy father's Day. Happy father's Day.
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: Happy father's Day. Worked up perfectly.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: And James is right, it has kind of worked out perfectly. Sure,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: unlike the end of heist films like Reservoir Dogs, we
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: weren't sipping drinks from a coconut on a beautiful beach.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: But James had become the person he wanted to be,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: and I had become the person who helped him become
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: the person he wanted to be. And Howard, well, he'd
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: become the person who fills up a dog poop bag
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: with free golf clubhouse dinner mint. So all in all,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it was a happy ending.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys for doing this.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: James had a fistful of his father's ashes in his hand,
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and he walked onto that green like a dawn bend
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: onto one. He tipped his hat and just dumped it
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: right into the hole and clean right in the hole.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: That was a hole in one.
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: That's what I would say.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Now that the Fernitures returned to its goodwill home, now
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: that the last month's rent is skiming with the.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Damage the plaz this moment to do so if we
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: if we.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Felt around for from things that accidentally.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Hello, my friend, how are you? Very nice to see you?
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: And uh, yeah, I was just listening to the episode
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: this morning, so oh hold on, hold on okay.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm not giving one sec. I'm not hearing anything.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Give me one sec. Okay, I see what's happening here.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Hey, so sorry about that. So sorry, that's okay. I
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: mean we're going to a lot of trouble for the sound,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: which I really appreciate.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Does it sound good though?
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Does it sound okay?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds good. I mean it might not match
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: when we initially got on, so let's just back up.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I will say hello, hello Jonathan, how are you? I'm good?
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: How are you?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm very good.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: We're such a couple of show biz phonies.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, yes we are.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: So you were saying that you were you were just
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: listening to the episode this morning.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I hadn't listened to it, probably since it came out,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and as it happened, I was driving my son to school,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: as I do, and I drive him to school because
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: he won't make it if I don't and also it
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: is a nice little father and son time. It's usually
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: passed in silence, but I said, hey, today, we've got
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: to we got to listen to this podcast.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Has he has he ever listened to the episode before?
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: No?
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what did he say?
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: He was impressed in that? Okay, well those are not
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: the words he used, but I could My gaba meter
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: is pretty good, my gabe dar is pretty good. And
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: I did see that he was impressed. I guess for me,
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: it was really great to listen to the podcast again
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: because what I got out of it. What was interesting
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: for me, One is that just being with you and Howard,
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: my two best friends. That was the big thing was
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: was Wow, I just love these guys. So that's the
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: main thing I took away from it. The other thing
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: is that hearing it again ten years later with my son,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I'm such a different person.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Then, How do you mean?
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: Because I, you know, my parents have been both been
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: dead for for a very long time now. My mother
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: died I think within about a year of that recording,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: and that was ten years ago. So I'm not a
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: son anymore.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a father. That's who I am.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: So to listen to it with my son, it was
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: completely different, just a completely different experience. I think when
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: we were recording that it was still very much my father's son.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You you've not been back to the golf course
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: to visit, have you?
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: No? I have not.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Have you kept in touch with Stairs?
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: No, not at all.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: That would be uh, that would be an interesting.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: That would be an interesting conversation. I mean, it was
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  Speaker 2: a a friend to have.
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  Speaker 3: He's a bold guy, right, because he's a you know,
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  Speaker 3: here I am saying, oh, you know, we're doing this
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: podcast about my dad, and you know how much I
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: feel so much regret that I wasn't able to really
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: be there for him when he was dead.
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  Speaker 2: And I just loved my dad, and he's.
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  Speaker 3: Like, oh, crazy, Doug. Right, it was so bold that
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, Wow, good for you, Sarah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Old is a nice word for it. Yeah right, Well
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: this was nice. James, Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: It was great to speak to you again, and it
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: really did help me get closure. My dad used to
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: always say no bullshit. You know, he'd say no bullshit,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: as my dad would say no bullshit.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: It really was very meaningful because I don't have that regret.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I have other regrets, but that that one was put
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: to bed.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who helped put this episode together. And
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: if you want a little more James in your life,
• 39:14
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• 39:17
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• 39:30
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• 39:42
  Speaker 1: This is our last update episode of the summer. We
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  Speaker 1: will be back with a brand new season of Heavyweight
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: God Willing this fall, and in the meantime, as always,
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  Speaker 3: Been including photos of our subjects, and this week we'll
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: have some photos of Jonathan and James together.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, and you know, while I am an audio purist, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, my mantra is sort of keep your
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: eyes closed in life, don't let's not get into the visuals.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I do appreciate a good photograph now and again, yeah,
• 40:22
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