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Talks to Frazer Gregory about his choice of The Ambassadors of Death (4/7) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Welcome back to my hamster with
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  a blunt penknife the Doctor Who commentary podcast Fraser.
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  Hello Joe. Hello.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Um, I had a question for you. I'll need to throw at you
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  immediately. I'm gonna phone call.
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  I got a phone call. Hello!
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  Oh yes. Okay, bye.
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  It's about my assistant. Simon hot.
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  Well, that's high. Someone threatening to kill him.
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  If I don't stop podcasting, I'll for goodness sakes.
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  Did you hear that? I have Simon Hearts unless you
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  hand over the ambassador of I'm going to kill him.
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  Don't carry on record okay you got me.
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  You got me? My question is this we have
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  talked about the /. We era in its early stages and
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  we thought about the Pertwee era and its last stages and how it
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  transitions from one thing to another.
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  Yes, my question for you is, this is, do you think that the
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  Brigadier. Is that his most fuckable in
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  season seven? Yes, that's what.
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  I'll try expected to give you surprise me.
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  No. Do you think he is characterized
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  by his best in the city? Yeah, I think we know we've
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  talked about the Reagan of the doctor in regards to the
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  Brigadier a bit and I think it's exactly the same for the
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  Brigadier make a seal. We don't be sore when we have
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  gotten ugly scene, where he is playing The Peacemaker in for
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  the future. Episode would do get that one
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  where you wants to see a bite of the doctor and the shake hands
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  and it's lovely. We've got, you know, scene with
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  them what he had the scene with them in the warehouse.
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  You're getting well stuck in with a faton the end we'll have
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  another big moment from a big action moment from after that
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  you just becomes, you know the butt of the joke, you know.
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  He becomes the It goes away from being this really capable
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  leader. You know, the it's the sort of
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  guy that will have in web of fear who's, you know, cut up
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  about the loss of his men. Another reason why you used to
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  be a problem, he's you know, these men mean.
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  Think it's something that one that makes them like a really
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  good leader. And then, you know, in season
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  eight years becoming the butt of the joke and You know, you're
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  having that sort of thing why we're spending, you know, you
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  have been watching. You can scold me.
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  Yeah. And sort of endings of you
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  expect him to be because he is smart, capable it Seasons.
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  It will by the time you get to the green death.
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  He acts as a lie where he goes. Well I'm not such a dunderhead
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  as you all think. I've actually done something
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  small in this story. What you've gone through sort of
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  like time monster and you've gone through the three doctors
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  As well as I looked at chroma. Yeah.
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  You know so you then have to go back to like the green death
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  where we is, you get that sense of family with them yet.
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  I sense that even though, you know it might not be You might
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  be the butt of the joke, you know.
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  They're all happy to sit with them and have dinner and then
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  you get planet of the spiders, where he's the hubby to go.
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  And, you know, the doctor goes to a show with them and you have
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  invasion of the dinosaurs where he's back to be in that sort of
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  military commander, you know, the man in charge sort of thing.
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  So he starts off really well and he finishes we drill, but in the
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  Middle East really saggy. Because unfortunately, I don't
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  think he's made too much the butt of the joke that baton
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  their sin episode 1. We're the guys got the dumb
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  point that even you think it's candy intensity in his
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  performance in Inferno when he's playing the Brigade leader and
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  he's desperate. He's like he's given a chance to
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  really properly act. Oh yeah, yes.
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  I think I think we're kind of riding the chemistry.
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  The actors towards again and his great chemistry and it's funny
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  and it's it's really enjoyable and it's comfortable but it is
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  different. Yeah, absolutely.
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  And I think You know, you've said before having your that
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  Nick Gordon is a really good comic actor and you know, and
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  he's you kind of players that funniness of, you know, no, I'm
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  being a funny character without knowing that, he's a funny
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  character. Yeah, it's very good straight
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  man in that respect so he does pull it off.
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  Well, you know, it's just but you're like yeah he's really
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  funny when he's intense. Remember the daily?
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  What you know, that's hilarious. Well, I'll tell you what, should
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  we see him in action? Oh God, yes, Let's do it bombs
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  away. Hey male 5, 4, 3, 2 1 off we go.
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  Yeah. What the hell is that?
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  We are and we're going to get a close-up on this episode of an
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  affair for you. I don't know if you have seen
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  one Alyssa's yet. You know that's usually that's
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  the form for Doctor Who. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Is this the episode introduces
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  Benton no think Benton. If I'm right was introduced in
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  The Invasion, there's a character but he doesn't come in
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  till episode 5. I'll show you how to get it back
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  on the world. We got handheld camera, work
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  here, you know and dramatic zooms.
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  There's a big zoom out from the water when it's like gushing and
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  everything. Amazing.
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  There we go. We're going over.
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  Yeah. But even though this is like
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  very polished location work, and you wouldn't really have
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  anything like this in the Avengers or anything like that,
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  which you that's all various cartoon violence.
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  If you were in the commentary, the have the Derek, whatever,
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  and everyone for that cliff and he says, oh yeah, it was scouted
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  the location. And we're took went out to with
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  them, you know, Michael Ferguson and by letting everyone and and
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  You know, beside this is where it's going to be shot.
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  What can you do with this in Wright's comments as all well
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  box to make this? And the turnaround in areas just
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  hanging by one? beautiful man back, then
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  honestly, But like this fellow playing Reagan you know, but
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  it's a trench coat. Now he could have been more
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  coal. This man.
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  I'm sorry. It's just that sophistication
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  about them, isn't it? You know, he could, you know,
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  you've said he could be like Bond a bond villain but you
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  could be, you know, he straight out the Sweeney again.
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  Yeah. One of those Heavies.
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  Yeah, this is great. The relationship between Neil is
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  and Lennox. His really great because she
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  absolutely condemns him. Yeah.
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  And then she uses him. Escape doesn't Absolutely, you
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  know, she goes straight in, say she goes straight into work and
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  on him as her way out and that's enough, and then she guilted him
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  into getting out. Yeah.
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  She's thy her characterization that I think is really
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  fantastic. Yeah, she's not taking this
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  lying down. She is well, okay, I'll help you
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  because otherwise, you're going to chop as in with the
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  ambassador's. But here we go.
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  The doctor is not at all convinced that anyone can buy a
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  foreign newspaper, General. Even that It's quite a moment of
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  death is it? They're tryna that he's trying
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  to convince them that it's a foreign power?
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  Thats stolen the ambassador's because this this is where this
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  is kind of like setting the wheels in motion for his
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  motivation. Isn't it?
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  That God's it's fun Powers. You know it's it's fun powers
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  that are It's not sort of like paranoia behind them, isn't it?
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  Did you hear that foreign powers with amazing resources and a
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  comb? The bricks just like three guys
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  have it. One of the things that doesn't
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  know is about this, is that how little solution goes on?
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  It's one of the reasons I love Benton will see Ben comes our
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  way. Yeah, five.
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  And salute, the council total amount of do it in a properly.
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  Obviously, you know, the brick being a Brigadeiro and, you
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  know, generals was walking with me, she'll be on his feet in
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  saluton but nope, he's just, it's either lakhs on the heart
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  but auction of it speaks to how, you know, much the brigadier's
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  got a handle on coming and Noah's fine.
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  Well, He's just a fool. Well, doctor how is heart of
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  hearts have got to tell you? They're still up in orbit.
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  Yeah, so we'll have realized know that those are strong.
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  Words aren't asking if those are the ambassador's the aliens.
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  Oh my God, I can't wait for the scenes.
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  Yeah. Where they start going out and
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  location heading towards the camera with the sunlight behind
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  them. Oh amazing that's coming up.
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  I think this is this episode but how is it this one?
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  Okay yeah really scary. Don't be playing in the snow.
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  Yeah, he got it, he was learning his craft and sees a death
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  without ice Warrior coming down the hill.
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  But here, he gets it spot-on but he does it again in him across.
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  It was a box-office you have that the best though.
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  Oh yeah. Well, if that's enough to be
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  expressed as well, because if you hear that I like there's a
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  lot of just hanging about in rooms and lots of talking with
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  this try children's patients. It probably would.
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  I think obviously the action, you know, the kids going to be
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  in there for the action and you're gonna be in four scenes,
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  where put we use as a pen, as a gun pulled up there, because I
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  think something like this about them yet, that playfulness of
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  I'm gonna just walk into Woman, I'll just sneak a bun and stick
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  a pen, and he's back and pretended to go and just to get
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  a rise out of them, you've never liked their the color, and the
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  trip Enos and the pace of Klaus waxhaws.
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  I think kids would be all over that.
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  Typically after this is going to be a bit more of a struggle for
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  kids. But You know, there's still
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  enough in here for kids to absolutely love.
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  I mean, you know, I said that scene of prostitutes and I mix
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  up the stairs really chilled me and really, you know, that was
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  like a really scary moment for me.
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  Your kids are going to be scared by that kids are going to love
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  that Ambassador walking through with the Sun at the back.
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  It's a scene that I've, I tricked you with my heart.
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  Is he Out. Huh, Harold sighs head please?
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  Well, we get all Tales of you from another question sided, ask
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  which I think was probably touched on and a little bit was
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  there Pertwee and Liz. What do you think about their
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  relationship? Really interesting?
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  Really. Really it was I think his most
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  successful relationship is with Casey Manning.
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  Yes. And that's just it's primarily
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  on their chemistry. Yeah I think he's Relationship
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  with Elizabeth sladen is sorely underrated.
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  And there are some great moments in series 11, but I think this
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  might be the most this is 2 equals.
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  So this is probably the most, this is husband and wife, you
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  know, and it's you know that's in there where these ladies had
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  the threat of you don't stop trying to decode the message and
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  build the machine. You know, we're going to kill
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  this and he's just a moment, whatever it is it speaks to what
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  kind of Respectful is in a bit of trust and Liz as well in
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  that, you know what, I'm not gonna do that because you know,
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  she's more than capable of looking after herself and she's
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  straight out the door and she like, right that's enough.
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  Yeah, Baxter and I'll try the door.
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  Obviously it's locked but people but I couldn't get the key off
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  of Lennox. Play him later.
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  So, how did he end up in their employ was basically Reagan.
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  Just friending always, it's a genuine scientific curiosity.
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  I think it's money. It's about us.
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  I think it's he says, I haven't. He was a discredited scientist.
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  Says here. You're a respected scientist
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  once grossly underpaid and that's what I love about.
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  You know, it's it's very very tense dicks but Bob Holmes, does
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  it a lot, you know, just Not two lanes, which give you massive
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  bits of background, you know, Bob Holmes will drop in.
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  So many just little details you know, like time Warriors are
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  classic example, where the doctors goes are.
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  So I see you're miserable war with the returns are spread of
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  this and that's it into just gives you it with three or four
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  lines just massive amounts of background so we get everything
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  we need to know about Lennox, you know, grossly underpaid.
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  He's just doing this for the money.
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  This is she respected scientist one suddenly you know discredit
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  the fallen on Hard Times needs to make a living Stewie's ended
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  up In. in with, with Regan and in the rest of his This is
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  another really tense moment and when he comes out, he plays the
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  Panic really well, I don't know. It's in a minute.
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  Sorry, when Oh that's right because they're pretending that
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  she's locked. Yes he's not.
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  So that shows he'll come back and then she'll costume and then
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  get away. So the idea being that she's
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  locked him in there and stole his key and run off.
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  So he's sort of blameless but the dogs are there you for
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  instance, Italian it is just like he's got that intensity and
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  don't apart because he was a comic actor that we use known
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  for comedy and he's really going all out to be And I think that's
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  possibly some of the reason why is quite likeable in these first
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  couple series is that it does lay on the he wanted to play the
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  trumpet. Wanted a dramatic role.
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  He goes into it a bit too much eases up a lot in these inane.
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  I think you look at like the see Devils where he's having a sword
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  fights and that scene where we steals your sandwiches is just
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  hilarious and he you Minds that Fallen to Earth, so we can still
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  do this. Ami and we've seen as you have
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  with them. The doddery old man in the road.
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  You know, you can still have that you still got those.
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  Those comedy chops about them but again, it's the balance in
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  this one which I really like he's got that balance between
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  comedy intensity and drama and look at this scene here.
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  He's so he's negotiating with somebody he knows is in League
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  with the people. He's against.
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  Yeah. He's basically saying look
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  they're probably going to kill you.
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  Yeah. Will you know, will negotiate?
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  If I open? God.
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  We got very James Bond bit when he dies.
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  Does he remember that suitcase? It relieves the blows up in his
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  face although this bit now I don't think this fits very clean
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  your closet because he's clearly here on the base and Liz has
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  escaped and then a minute, Liz, run straight into him in a card.
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  And she was like, hey, yeah, And he's accents gone.
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  He's like good in the sure with no hint of the French accent
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  whatsoever, but never mind. It's of all the calls that could
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  stop. I understand accents tend to
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  slip on location, you know, opposite and again that you know
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  what, we're in that realm of padding of, you know, escape and
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  recapture, but you're not, you don't gonna lose it, you don't
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  want to lose it, you don't want. You know, yet we're in this now
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  is like hearts. It's a, how long we knew he was
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  a bottom. But now he's also a button for
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  the barge, the new buttons and I say, I love the fact that Reagan
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  is very cold and threatening with her and very Charming as
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  well. That's hard.
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  That's a hard mix to pull off, you know?
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  Yes, he's he's the consummate villain in this but
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  interestingly, we've got to a point now where talion cannot
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  Complicate the plot anymore that that's what he's been used
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  through up until this point. So they've got a bump him off.
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  There's nothing else you can really do with him now.
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  No, it's yeah. He's done.
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  Don't he served his purpose? That's Sorry mate.
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  You was a doctor who character foreign through.
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  Yeah, we love didn't exist before the story or after it.
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  You were big man with a good beard but under the rules for
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  you terrible business. That's a really fight looking
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  beard. He looks like a garden gnome.
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  I mean, first look at your bed and my bed.
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  Yeah, those are be. It's, you know, like, well, look
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  at your bed. You know what?
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  I can't remember exactly how old I was, but I was way longer than
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  I should be. When I found out that if
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  Courtney Warrior fig Tasha. Yeah, I didn't know.
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  I thought I hear in retrospect. You can see it slip,
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  occasionally. Yeah, I think it's up there with
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  Nicola Bryant American accent. I'll be honest.
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  It's when I saw production pictures of him, without a tan,
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  looks weird them shave. His tire shop for modern dead,
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  thought Canada. Turn the Brigadier, just sitting
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  around having tape. Talking about the problems.
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  Yeah. It's yeah, it's just, it's such
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  a lovely relationship. And that's the question you
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  should be asking sigh relationship with the doctor in
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  the brig. Not when there's, it's just
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  works so well. And How would you feel if the
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  doctors and Liz are husband and wife?
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  What are, what are the doctor? And the brick here?
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  Well, obviously there Sherlock, Holmes and dr.
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  Watson, a Halloween party. Oh my God, they actually are.
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  Yeah, well, Terrace dick says it over and over again.
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  Every convention ever went to and DVD documentary, and we
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  missed that, you missed a trick that you should install and that
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  your uterus. Well, you know, Terrance, thank
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  you for recognizing my wonderful observation traitor.
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  But they really aren't made that that yes or 10 video, that sort
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  of, like, blue months, for want of a better word that isn't
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  horrible like that. It's like, yeah, well, they was,
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  they know, they won't. But they will, they will foil
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  evil schemes together. Yeah, this is this episode is
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  slowing right down to have proper dialogue scenes between
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  characters. So there's a little less action
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  in this. Yeah, but I like all this stuff
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  as well. Here we go.
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  Here's your usual. James Bond explosion, explosives
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  case? Yes.
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  Oh, there's this burden. The doctor.
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  I've got a dog scratching to be in sunscreen nothing happened.
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  Okay. Don't worry.
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  You know, I've got enough solo commentaries to handle this
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  myself. Honestly, rakers.
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  We're in leather gloves. I can't tell you.
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  The thoughts are going through my head right now.
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  Phrases, nowhere near the mic. So I have been no danger of a
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  stop. It all the Bombshells that we've
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  had as well. I've been incredible.
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  Hi Frasier, everything he said about, as well as like I said.
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  Nothing deserving of a stop it in your absence.
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  I'll give you a name is stop it. Yes to explode into kissed again
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  of Brilliance. It's oh how cold and calculating
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  is Regan or just like I'll give you the bomb but obviously the
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  bombs for you it's not really fair but I think terrorist
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  attacks is plotting is so good that you know, this is how to
• 21:05
  Italian is going to be dispatch. Obviously not the doctor.
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  So you're just waiting for that my teammates, the the bad move.
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  He's the master Potter is mr. Burns?
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  My damn man, I spent more time in space than any astronaut on
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  your staff. Oh yeah, they even go through
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  the motions of decontamination and like he owns go through all
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  the tests doesn't need to go into space exactly.
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  Again, if this was like another era you would literally just be
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  Okay, we need to go back over into space, right?
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  Jump in that rocket. Then, you know, two minutes
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  later, he's going to be up there and he put them this.
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  They've actually they've got to work out the logistics of it.
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  They've got to get a capsule of gotta get the rocket that
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  haven't got the fuel so they haven't mixed the it's just so
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  it really speaks to me as someone with like you know, bit
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  of a science background and that's what I studied at
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  University. Never used me degree in anger
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  but you know someone that grew up wanting to be a scientist.
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  This really speaks to me as You know them getting it right.
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  Getting the the tape the Sci-Fi that I want to watch you know
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  we're like not like when Bond goes into space in Moonraker and
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  he's in that simulator that goes round and round and round round
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  super fast. You know and shooting lasers at
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  each other in space opening. Jumping course was incredible.
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  You know that sequence in Venice with the hover boats, honestly,
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  Unforgettable. Every Bond film needs is a
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  pigeon doing a double take Big Chomp.
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  Oh it looks very relaxed are, there's no cleaning out of that
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  counter. Obviously after that pose a few
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  times, you know, he's wondering where Michael Ferguson's got his
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  car - oh, that's what it's Gotta Be.
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  It's gotta be a little bit away. So that's the case.
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  Don't explode in his face as well.
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  You look, the even taking the time to show how they're going
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  to communicate with the aliens. Again, this is the new places
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  doing this. Now Liz is our in, with this,
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  you know, without rulers. Yeah, Mega thing as 8 because
• 23:15
  they bring Liz into this scenario, her intelligence
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  creates the device, which means Reagan can now use them to carry
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  the plot onwards. Oh, that's right.
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  Oh my God. I'm so stupid.
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  And they want the aliens to do. Terror attacks.
• 23:35
  So there's a massive outcry because xenophobic General
• 23:40
  Carrington. Once them to fire off missiles
• 23:44
  into space. Awakening destroy the aliens
• 23:46
  because it was very clever, isn't it?
• 23:49
  Very clever? But at the same time, you've got
• 23:51
  Regan, who's like, well actually That's your plan may have but I
• 23:55
  want to use these guys for my own benefit.
• 23:58
  What's he going to do? Rob banks or something?
• 24:00
  Exactly, there's nothing I startled.
• 24:03
  You go with. You gonna do.
• 24:03
  Rob Fort Knox is it? Well why can't?
• 24:05
  I is a bond villain? They do Rob Fort Knox.
• 24:12
  Why is forgotten now I forgotten that the whole point of this was
• 24:15
  to show the ambassador's murdering and behaving you know
• 24:21
  is if they're invading and that's super clever because
• 24:25
  that's how Doctor Who monsters usually behave.
• 24:29
  What we were talking about the Pearson, we have not actually
• 24:32
  seen an ambassador. Of death yet we've seen an
• 24:36
  ambassador but we have not seen the ambassador's actually do
• 24:39
  anything. Deadly.
• 24:40
  Other than, you know, the poor guys.
• 24:42
  They've locked in the back with and it will four episodes in.
• 24:45
  Yeah, this is very measured. As you know, by the time this is
• 24:51
  like the length of an average story.
• 24:53
  You don't need to work off with 2 episode 4 and we have not
• 24:56
  actually seen the Ambassador, do anything deadly and what haven't
• 25:02
  missed it. I haven't actually how on Earth
• 25:06
  because because there's been so much suspense around was in the
• 25:09
  rocket. What's in the space suits?
• 25:11
  You know they're driving they're still driving a tense drama out
• 25:16
  of what we're not seeing absolutely.
• 25:18
  But that whole worm you know that whole like 28 Days Later,
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  Twist of it, ain't the zombies are scary.
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  It's the people it's there they are me.
• 25:28
  Christopher eriksson's character.
• 25:29
  Yeah like that's a very sophisticated.
• 25:33
  Moral for Doctor Who we see McCall, good friend of the
• 25:40
  podcast. And her question was, this is
• 25:43
  one of two cultural misunderstanding stories
• 25:45
  together with Frontier in space. This one on Kent, contemporary
• 25:49
  Earth, seems darker and more realistic to me, which of the
• 25:52
  two. Do you think works best out
• 25:55
  this? Absolutely, for sure, although I
• 25:57
  think Frontier in space, I mean I've just covered that with
• 26:00
  Daniel night, I think It's Direction.
• 26:04
  Design performance, they're regulars.
• 26:07
  It has so much of worth. Yeah.
• 26:11
  I mean I don't want a yoke on anyone's yum to use a phrase but
• 26:15
  you don't want him to be. It doesn't work for me, your
• 26:18
  least favorite. It's maybe fear that of this era
• 26:21
  it just doesn't work. There's just too much.
• 26:23
  Wow. What more than the mutants.
• 26:27
  Oh you dirty little. Look it's not like the
• 26:40
  ambassador of the pulled up and drop the ambassador's off.
• 26:42
  It's like he's literally just walked in the drive and it's
• 26:45
  that sort of relentlessness that, you know, one stop a bit
• 26:49
  like the Terminator, you know, the two-minute a stalk and after
• 26:52
  you, you know, obviously, you probably should have let go of
• 26:55
  that, but they All history of shooting it with the sun behind
• 26:59
  it and the Sun is reflecting off the camera lens.
• 27:03
  So you so the they are Masters obscure, you'll cut into the to
• 27:06
  the pistol that's constantly firing and not working.
• 27:10
  And then you cut to the the soldiers face like shit, I'm
• 27:13
  going to die. Yeah, justjust great horror.
• 27:16
  That is Everyone. It's that horse or break.
• 27:26
  Did you see the subtitles? They went an hour.
• 27:31
  I've got the DVD and you've got brick box on this.
• 27:33
  I mean yeah yeah the picture is quite good on this one.
• 27:37
  This is all we know. You're going to get soft me
• 27:44
  gosh. You know, I think we're heading
• 27:45
  towards a Cliff, Hanger again, is this the Cliffhanger where
• 27:48
  the Ambassador heads towards the doctor with his arms out?
• 27:54
  So again, that's that's, that's a different kind of cliffhanger
• 27:57
  because it isn't with the doctor in danger, but we're one.
• 28:00
  Step ahead. He ain't got a clue.
• 28:04
  It's there in the brain of morbius claw, isn't it?
• 28:06
  - Sarah, you know, unfortunately is one of those sort of enough
• 28:11
  resolutions where It was nothing particularly clever about how
• 28:16
  they get out of the pebble. But, you know, that's not the
• 28:20
  point. That's not the point of a
• 28:21
  cliffhanger. Is it how we get out of it?
• 28:22
  It's all right. Well, I've had this question
• 28:25
  front of me a couple of times, you know, and I think the
• 28:27
  Cliffhangers job is to get you back the next week.
• 28:30
  So it's the moment that the episode ends and not where the
• 28:34
  new episode starts, absolutely, because that episode has a
• 28:37
  chance to end on a really great Point as well.
• 28:44
  But the doctors usually be smarter than this, isn't he?
• 28:46
  And also to come and see him. All right, well I'm gonna go
• 28:48
  then it's obviously a trap but I'm going to go anyway.
• 28:51
  Well it's not a trap because You're Quinton doesn't know.
• 28:55
  He's about to get zapped. All, that's right.
• 28:58
  Quinn is like this, the Charles Grover of this one, isn't he?
• 29:00
  He's the politician is up to no good.
• 29:04
  So he doesn't know he's gonna be out for you to know is that he
• 29:07
  doesn't know that, he's genuinely summon the doctor in
• 29:11
  English because there's a scene with Quinlan and Carrington
• 29:15
  ways. Like well should we not tell the
• 29:17
  doctor what's going on? Because he could be a great
• 29:20
  asset if we get him on our side sort of thing, and that's
• 29:25
  obviously why he's now getting Zapped.
• 29:28
  See that was a kind of bare stage as well.
• 29:31
  The safety behind the door. Yeah.
• 29:33
  So he goes to over by the door. The dog doesn't see when he
• 29:36
  comes in and then he goes to attack him.
• 29:38
  I'm not surprised stuff you know that and that's final shot of
• 29:42
  just the hand. About it, which the doctor and
• 29:46
  that's where your sting comes in again.
• 29:48
  You just yeah, I'd say sort of in terms of like action and pay
• 29:52
  that episode slowed down a lot. Like there was a lot of talking
• 29:55
  in that episode was but there was still you know, a lot of a
• 30:00
  lot of good on the always lives Escape, there was the bomb,
• 30:03
  there's the eventual attack of attack of the ambassador's, you
• 30:08
  know, while I'm out. Yeah, well, haven't heard, you
• 30:11
  know, big churches or No, smoke bombs.
• 30:15
  Being dropped from helicopters, but we're still getting you.
• 30:17
  No good. Good night David, my Scott joins
• 30:21
  the desire and we're still getting good, you know, bits of
• 30:27
  action, good things to to keep were going to.
• 30:31
  Well I just say like like it happens like characterization
• 30:34
  that's probably the strongest episode let yet.
• 30:36
  You got Liz and Lennox. You got the docs for in the brig
• 30:39
  you know, Karen Ting, show more deaths as it goes on Quinlan as
• 30:44
  well Regan you know if I think I think Tara sticks and Malcolm
• 30:50
  Oak. Both know that.
• 30:52
  Yeah, some point, you know, you can't have this can't be all
• 30:56
  expense but you just have to keep giving, you know.
• 31:01
  Yeah. Oh, stop me.