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The Late Debate | 13 April · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Welcome the Late Debate. Well, it's great to have your
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Speaker 1: company on the Late Debate.
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Speaker 2: I'm James MacPerson with Adanika to Georgiowen, filling in for
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Speaker 2: Caleb Bond, Caroline Marcus. If you've been exercising, or if
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Speaker 2: you decided it's better not to.
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Speaker 3: I don't even know what the thing is that cayleb mentioned,
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Speaker 3: So I think I'll stick with the exercise now.
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Speaker 4: But good answer.
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Speaker 1: It's great to have you with this. In fact, you're
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Speaker 1: with us all weeks.
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Speaker 5: I am very exciting. Thank you for having me. It's
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Speaker 5: always fun to be at this desk.
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Speaker 4: It's great to have you.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's basically girls night tonight. Let's be honest, because
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Speaker 6: it's ladies night.
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Speaker 4: It's normally how I works because normally.
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Speaker 6: I'm outnumbered on this show. But it's nice to not
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Speaker 6: be out numbered tonight.
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Speaker 4: James, how does it feel for you?
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Speaker 2: Tell you what, Danika? For someone who's outnumbered every night
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Speaker 2: on the show.
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Speaker 4: Thank you. I mean I would take that absolutely.
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Speaker 5: Don't do you think I'm.
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Speaker 3: Just a Diversitycause's funny you should mention that because we
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Speaker 3: will go there.
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Speaker 1: But let's go there in just a moment. Here's what's
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Speaker 1: coming up tonight?
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Speaker 2: Labor spends twenty million dollars giving Australians driving tips, but
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Speaker 2: does anyone apart from Anthony Albeneze think it's necessary. Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen sacks a staff member who'd been re employed after
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Speaker 2: serving time for rape.
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Speaker 1: Is her claim that she.
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Speaker 2: Was forced to act because of Gutta politics valid? And
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Speaker 2: has Donald Trump finally gone too far? He is being
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Speaker 2: accused of posting images of himself as Jesus. All of
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Speaker 2: that coming up shortly, but first, Anthony Alberze announced the
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Speaker 2: day that a woman was being appointed to lead the
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Speaker 2: Australian Army. Lieutenant General Susan Coyle becomes the first army
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Speaker 2: chief in Australia's history. Defense Minister Richard Miles described it
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Speaker 2: as a deeply historic moment.
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Speaker 7: Her achievement means that she will be the first woman
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Speaker 7: to command a service in Australian history, and it is
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Speaker 7: a deeply historic moment, one that should be noted. As
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Speaker 7: Susan said to me, you cannot be what you cannot see.
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Speaker 7: And Susan's achievement will be deeply significant to women who
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Speaker 7: are serving in this defense force today and women who
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Speaker 7: are thinking about serving in this rained defense force in
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Speaker 7: the future.
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Speaker 2: Now we can talk about the merits or otherwise of
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Speaker 2: appointing a woman to lead the army. I just wonder
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Speaker 2: how many people actually care that Labor is making history
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Speaker 2: with disappointment as much as Labour cares that they're making
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Speaker 2: history with this appointment.
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Speaker 1: Helping with the war.
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Speaker 2: Against Iran would be deeply significant, Providing ships to help
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Speaker 2: clear the strait of her moves would be deeply significant.
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Speaker 2: Putting a woman in charge of the army not so much.
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Speaker 2: The military is a fighting machine, not a social engineering
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Speaker 2: Petri Dish, Is Lieutenant General Susan Coyle made of the
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Speaker 2: right stuff?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think we all hope so. And it's not
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Speaker 1: her fault.
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Speaker 2: The Defense Minister went on and on about her gender today,
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Speaker 2: but at a time of global conflict, when the capabilities
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Speaker 2: of our military are at best questionable, and our most
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Speaker 2: decorated fighter is facing a highly contentious legal proceeding, the
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Speaker 2: Army Chief's I reckon, it's the last thing we need
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Speaker 2: to be hearing about, Caroline.
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Speaker 3: I think it's unfortunate that Labor chose to frame her
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Speaker 3: appointment in these terms, because from what I'm reading, and
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Speaker 3: I don't know Susan Coyle personally, but from what I'm reading,
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Speaker 3: including on the night late tonight, she is a very
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Speaker 3: well respected figure within the army, so I want to
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Speaker 3: give her the benefit of the doubt that she has
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Speaker 3: been hired for merit. She was chosen over another candidate,
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Speaker 3: someone else on the short list, who apparently has a
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Speaker 3: very close relationship with.
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Speaker 5: Anthony Alberizi, a man. So I think.
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Speaker 3: It's wonderful as a woman to see other women to
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Speaker 3: rise to ranks, but I don't.
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Speaker 5: Care as long as it's the best person for the job. Now,
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Speaker 5: it is unfortunate Labor.
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Speaker 3: Chose to have a whole press conference where they made
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Speaker 3: it all about her gender and how many chromosomes, which
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Speaker 3: chromosomes she has, because if they are doing a disservice
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Speaker 3: to her by framing it in those terms. And it
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Speaker 3: is a shame that we've had all these appointments that
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Speaker 3: have been dei appointments throughout the world and including here
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Speaker 3: in Australia that now make you question whether any woman
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Speaker 3: who's appointed to a role is there because she deserves
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Speaker 3: to be or because she's a woman.
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Speaker 5: So unfortunately she has to rise up against all of that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and what I will say is fantastic that Labor
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Speaker 6: today knows what a woman is. I mean because normally
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Speaker 6: you ask Anthony Albanezi or any member of the Labor
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Speaker 6: Party for that matter, what is a woman and suddenly
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Speaker 6: they squirm away because they don't want to answer the topic.
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Speaker 6: But congratulations, today Labor knows. Look, I do agree with
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Speaker 6: Caroline on this. What has a woman's gender got to
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Speaker 6: do with it? As a woman, I find it highly
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Speaker 6: offensive when people throw in this gender card, like, give
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Speaker 6: me a break. A woman should be hired on merit
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Speaker 6: as a man should be hired on merrit.
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Speaker 4: Who is the best person for this job? Now? I
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Speaker 4: too have.
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Speaker 6: Also looked up this lady'squalifications and yes, I agree, I'm
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Speaker 6: sure she is highly qualified.
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Speaker 4: But I don't care about agenda.
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Speaker 6: What I want to know is what is she going
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Speaker 6: to do to fix the recruitment crisis? And what is
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Speaker 6: she going to do to make sure we have the
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Speaker 6: best people available within the defense force to shore us
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Speaker 6: up in the event that this country is attacked. They
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Speaker 6: are the only things that I care about. So if
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Speaker 6: Labor is coming out today and saying that this, yes,
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Speaker 6: that she this is perfect for that role, then fantastic.
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Speaker 6: But let me tell you this, China are not sitting
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Speaker 6: there right now caring about the gender.
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Speaker 4: Of their recruits.
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Speaker 6: They would be laughing today at Anthony Albanesi. They're sitting
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Speaker 6: in Beijing going, yeah, keep talking about your the gender
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Speaker 6: of your recruits. They're out there busy actually training and
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Speaker 6: preparing their army and that should be the focus, not
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Speaker 6: what chromosomes you are born with.
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Speaker 2: Do you think it's a problem that she doesn't have
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Speaker 2: combat experience? General Cosgrove, for instance, led troops into the
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Speaker 2: heat of battle was rewarded for bravery under fire. Is
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Speaker 2: it a problem that we have a woman leading the
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Speaker 2: military who has no combat experience? When you're take into
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Speaker 2: consideration the overwhelming majority of our soldiers are young men.
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Speaker 1: Is appropriate to have a woman?
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Speaker 2: Are they going to look up to her and be
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Speaker 2: inspired by someone who's never been where they will be sent?
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Speaker 4: That is a really really bick.
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Speaker 3: Q and the Australian forces in Afghanistan in twenty fifteen.
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Speaker 1: She commanded them, but she wasn't there with a gun
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Speaker 1: on the front way.
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Speaker 3: They said, These top brass positions are no longer about
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Speaker 3: who's fighting on the front line. These are people almost
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Speaker 3: more like the CEO of a corporation. I don't think
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Speaker 3: it matters that she's a woman, though, but I don't
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Speaker 3: know that having direct combat experience means all that much
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Speaker 3: for these positions anymore. Will it lead to more recruitment,
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Speaker 3: that was the question that you asked me. I know
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Speaker 3: it won't because at the moment, veterans are seeing what's
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Speaker 3: happening a potential recruits are seeing what's happening to someone
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Speaker 3: like Ben Robert Smith, the high Spectacle arrest, that he
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Speaker 3: was subjected to the allegations of guilt before a presumption
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Speaker 3: of innocence is afforded, and they're thinking, why would I
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Speaker 3: risk my life serving a country that pays us back
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Speaker 3: like this. I'm not saying that we shouldn't take any
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Speaker 3: allegations of war crime seriously, but it's the treatment.
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Speaker 5: And I know we'll get into a bit of that question.
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Speaker 1: How are you connecting that with your saying.
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Speaker 3: If this frame is framed as as Richard Miles said,
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Speaker 3: you have to you cannot be what you cannot see.
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Speaker 3: They're hoping, clearly that this appointment is going to recruit
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Speaker 3: more women to the to the army. Clearly, they're not
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Speaker 3: going to all be in combat roles. And that's not
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Speaker 3: to say that women can't do that, but it is
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Speaker 3: a lot harder physically for women to serve that's the frontline.
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Speaker 3: But I don't think women are going to think, oh,
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Speaker 3: look there's a woman in that position. They're going to think,
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Speaker 3: how have how has our most decorated war hero been treated?
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Speaker 3: How have the many hundreds of other Afghan war veterans
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Speaker 3: Australians that served in Afghanistan being tree after coming back,
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Speaker 3: being subjected to inquiries and allegations of war crimes for
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Speaker 3: years until those were lifted. They're going to be looking
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Speaker 3: at that more than which gender is in the top position.
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Speaker 4: I think that's a good point.
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Speaker 6: And the other thing that makes me really suspicious about
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Speaker 6: this appointment that maybe indeed it was a DEI pick,
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Speaker 6: is that the ADF has been going woke for years now.
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Speaker 6: I mean, you only need to look at its recruitment process.
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Speaker 6: It asks for your pronouns for goodness sake, and they're.
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Speaker 4: Making you know, the.
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Speaker 6: Part of the what's it called, like the defense the
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Speaker 6: drones and stuff, that they're making them gender neutral terms.
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Speaker 4: And all that hullabaloo.
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Speaker 6: So in a way, AFT unmanned and that's the one,
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Speaker 6: the unmanned aircraft exactly.
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Speaker 4: So that actually does make me suspicious.
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Speaker 6: That maybe this was indeed a DEI higher given that
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Speaker 6: it's gone woke in recent years, and you asked many veterans,
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Speaker 6: I'll say the exact same thing, that it's just not
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Speaker 6: like it used to.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about Ben Robert Smith, speaking of most
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Speaker 3: decorated war hero and how he was treated, because more
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Speaker 3: details about his arrest and how Channel Line happened to
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Speaker 3: be there have come to light. In the Australians Media
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Speaker 3: Diary section today, Diaris Steve Jackson talks about how there
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Speaker 3: were six camera crews at the arrest at Sydney Airport
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Speaker 3: when Ben Robert Smith was picked up last week from
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Speaker 3: nine News from a current affair from sixty minutes, all
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Speaker 3: at different spots around the airport. Lucy Zelich, who is
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Speaker 3: a contributor at skuy, a regular here. She was hosting
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Speaker 3: nine Radio last week, but she I think quite rightly
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Speaker 3: took a serve at the employer that she was there
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Speaker 3: to work for, and she posted on Instagram about how
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Speaker 3: while she was filling in on two GB Radio she
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Speaker 3: submitted a request to the AFP commissioner's offers to just
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Speaker 3: how media cameras came to be the media at the arrest.
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Speaker 3: She was told that AFP vehemently rejects any suggestion it
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Speaker 3: was a media strategy to give any reporter prior knowledge
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Speaker 3: of the arrest or charge. But then she said, she's
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Speaker 3: a journalist, she knows how this works. We don't just
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Speaker 3: randomly turn up to a location unless we receive a
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Speaker 3: tip off. Someone leaked that information ahead of time, and
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Speaker 3: I want to know who now. As a journalist, of course,
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Speaker 3: if she's right, we wouldn't just turn up at the
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Speaker 3: airport randomly. And I'm told they also had at least
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Speaker 3: one crew outside AFP headquarters before Ben Roberts Smith was
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Speaker 3: brought in to be charged. But I also, as a journalist,
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Speaker 3: I am not going to encourage other journalists to reveal
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Speaker 3: their sources. This is what we work hard to do,
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Speaker 3: is to get inside knowledge. I don't believe there was
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Speaker 3: any media strategy from the AFP. Haven't been a longtime
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Speaker 3: play police reporter. AFP is very straighty.
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Speaker 5: One to eighty.
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Speaker 3: But I do think for whatever operational reasons there may
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Speaker 3: have been to carry out this arrest at an airport.
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Speaker 3: Think about it, there's security, you can't bring weapons in.
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Speaker 3: He's in Sydney, not Queensland, where he usually lives.
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Speaker 5: A source close to his legal.
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Speaker 3: Team told me that the AFP may see this as
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Speaker 3: more favorable because the committal processes might be more favorable
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Speaker 3: to them in New South Wales and Queensland.
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Speaker 5: For whatever reason.
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Speaker 3: The optics are just so bad arresting a war hero
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Speaker 3: in front of his daughters that I just think whoever
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Speaker 3: oversaw this, and it would have been there would have
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Speaker 3: been oversight from the Sensitive Investigations Oversight board. They oversee
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Speaker 3: all these sorts of sensitive police investigations.
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Speaker 5: Someone must have got it wrong.
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Speaker 3: Maybe we will find out during the court process why
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Speaker 3: it had to be done that way, but for the
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Speaker 3: meantime it just looks terrible too.
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Speaker 2: Here right, there's the arrest at the airport, but that
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Speaker 2: could have been done for operational reasons without nine News,
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Speaker 2: a current affair and sixty minutes all having camera crews
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Speaker 2: on the location ready to shoot.
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Speaker 1: Clearly they knew what was going on.
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Speaker 2: To the TV, it would not invest that kind of
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Speaker 2: resource on a hunch.
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Speaker 1: They knew in advance.
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Speaker 5: There were a.
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Speaker 3: Few agencies involved, so it may have come from somewhere
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Speaker 3: within the AFP.
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Speaker 5: We don't know. I don't think it was a media
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Speaker 5: strategy to have.
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Speaker 3: Nine there and they didn't get any clear shots really anyway.
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Speaker 3: But for all the people questioning, well why did they
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Speaker 3: film it themselves, the police filmed that. They released this
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Speaker 3: blurred footage of Ben Robert Smith.
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Speaker 5: They stood up for a press conference.
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Speaker 3: Well that's pretty standard when it comes to high profile arrests.
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Speaker 3: So I get that, and I think that the AIRP
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Speaker 3: Commissioner should have given a press conference where she could
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Speaker 3: take questions instead of hiding away.
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Speaker 5: That wouldn't have been the right thing to do either. However,
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Speaker 5: it does concern.
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Speaker 3: Me that there's clearly been a leak somewhere high up
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Speaker 3: close to this investigation, leaking to nine to Nick McKenzie.
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Speaker 5: But that is his job, so no, that's his job.
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Speaker 5: But the leak.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, clearly there's holes bigger than absolutely that there are.
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Speaker 4: And look, you and I know how this works, right.
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Speaker 6: You go to a story when you get a tip
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Speaker 6: off because you know it's going to be the biggest story,
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Speaker 6: and you would race there, like, do not tell me
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Speaker 6: that there were just cameras loitering around the airport at
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Speaker 6: that specific moment when Ben Robert Smith was coming off
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Speaker 6: the plane.
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Speaker 4: Like, I just don't don't buy that at all.
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Speaker 6: They knew, they knew the exact timing, and as a
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Speaker 6: former reporter, Caroline Wonderful senior reporter, will tell you, we
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Speaker 6: know exactly how the game works. And I find this
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Speaker 6: to be absolutely disgraceful the way that this was all handled.
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Speaker 6: And look, we've spoken a lot about this over the
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Speaker 6: last week, and I know that you reported on this
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Speaker 6: last week Caroline that he offered Ben Robert Smith offered
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Speaker 6: to turn himself in. Okay, this didn't have to be
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Speaker 6: this giant's spectacle. This has now made worldwide news. They're
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Speaker 6: talking about it in the UK, over in the US.
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Speaker 6: This didn't need to be the spectacle to parade our
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Speaker 6: most decorated soldier. Despite the allegations, it didn't need to happen.
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Speaker 6: He could have handed himself in in private, and as
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Speaker 6: we keep saying, in front of his two twin girls.
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Speaker 4: It's an absolute disgrace. And I just think that.
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Speaker 6: The media handled themselves in an appalling way that day.
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Speaker 4: And again they got the chip off.
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Speaker 6: It's their job, but still I just think it's just
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Speaker 6: disgusting personally.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think we'll ever find out where this
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Speaker 2: leak came from?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the journalist the journalists will do
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Speaker 3: everything to protect their sources, because that's.
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Speaker 5: Journalism, one oh one.
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Speaker 3: It may come out in court proceedings, but I doubt
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Speaker 3: it because it will be very embarrassing. I'm told from
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Speaker 3: a legal source that the AFP had.
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Speaker 5: Been worn for years.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we've seen the investigations, the allegations play out
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Speaker 3: for something like a decade now in our newspapers.
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Speaker 5: That's how long they go back.
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Speaker 3: So there has been leaks about a potential investigation for many,
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Speaker 3: many years and about what the AFP were looking into.
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Speaker 5: And where has that come from?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand there might be some metadata that connects
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Speaker 3: someone within the AFP to the leaks.
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Speaker 2: The question in the paper today when people at Channel
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Speaker 2: nine had known since February that this arrest was coming,
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Speaker 2: so well, yeah, look goodly, but.
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Speaker 3: They weren't at the airport every day something like up
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Speaker 3: to thirty cameras.
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Speaker 1: No, and you were coming and then they knew it's today.
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Speaker 4: Exactly like they have the resources to just sit there
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Speaker 4: there all day.
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Speaker 6: Now, Look, speaking of leaks, so you don't let petrol
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Speaker 6: fuel crisis, telling you minimize your fuel usage and go
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Speaker 6: and take the bus and train wherever you can.
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Speaker 6: The global fuel shortage is affecting everyone and we all
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Speaker 6: here's the real clanger. When you go and fill up
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Speaker 6: right and you put your the put the hose into
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Speaker 6: the car and it goes over the nozzle the nozzle.
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Speaker 4: Okay, look, I'm not a car expert.
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Speaker 1: to you.
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Speaker 4: Don't go over that click. Okay.
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Speaker 6: I've got to preserve every single drop of fuel, aircon
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Speaker 6: and heating on low, monitor your acceleration. And apparently we
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Speaker 6: needed twenty million dollars of our money to tell us
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Speaker 6: these absolutely worthless tips.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 6: Anthony Albnezi addressed about roof racks today and here was
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Speaker 6: his comment.
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Speaker 9: I certainly spoke to someone last night who wasn't aware,
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Speaker 9: for example, that taking the roof racks off your car
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Speaker 9: will reduce the weight and reduce the fuel that you use.
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Speaker 9: That's good for saving fuel. Guess what saves money as well.
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Speaker 9: That's something they hadn't thought through. So these practical measures,
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Speaker 9: every little bit does count.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he spoke to someone last night. Was that Jody?
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Speaker 6: Did Jody tell him I've never taken a roof rack
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Speaker 6: off my car?
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Speaker 4: Was that where you got your knowledge from? Anthony? Money?
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Speaker 1: Do you reckon you'd save by removing the roof rack?
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Speaker 4: I think you'd save anything. I mean there's nothing.
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Speaker 1: Time it would take to remove it. That would be
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Speaker 1: that would cost you more than the fuel.
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Speaker 4: So that's a really good point. I think it would.
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Speaker 4: I think it would.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 6: Actually we've got an advert from a nineteen seventy nine
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Speaker 6: fuel shortage and now just to compare the pair, have
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Speaker 10: This one s Australia, if we use a little less
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Speaker 10: will look after ourselves.
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Speaker 6: I don't know about you too, but I'm way more
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Speaker 6: in class back then.
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Speaker 1: That's well, that's true, exactly tough.
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Speaker 6: Now, look you know what, once again, what does this
18:35
Speaker 6: come down to is that Australia is not prepared for
18:38
Speaker 6: a fuel crisis because we are so obsessed by the
18:40
Speaker 6: green dream in this country. We can't drill, baby, drill.
18:43
Speaker 6: We are sitting on an abundance of resources. We can't
18:46
Speaker 6: do anything about it. Meanwhile, Anthony Aberaneese is on his
18:48
Speaker 6: Begging Asia tour to show up our fuel supplies. He's
18:52
Speaker 6: about to go to Brunei and then he's going to
18:54
Speaker 6: go to Malaysia after his Singapore trip last week. You know, again,
18:57
Speaker 6: it comes down to the common denominator, the green dream.
19:01
Speaker 6: And yet we've got to fork out twenty million dollars
19:03
Speaker 6: for this absolute monstrosity.
19:04
Speaker 2: I just thought the justifications for this twenty million dollar
19:07
Speaker 2: campaign were hilarious. Ten you pliversek was on television this morning.
19:10
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw her, but she was saying,
19:12
Speaker 2: we desperately need this twenty million dollar advertising campaign to
19:15
Speaker 2: address misinformation about.
19:17
Speaker 1: The petrol crisis. Well I watched the ad. What misinformation
19:20
Speaker 1: didn't address? What did you think of someone.
19:23
Speaker 3: Going out there saying exactly who is it?
19:27
Speaker 2: Anthony Elbanezi's justification is that, well, there's people he spoke
19:30
Speaker 2: to someone last night who'd never thought I should take
19:33
Speaker 2: the roof racks off.
19:34
Speaker 5: Jodi, I mean spreading this information. Well that's bad. Well, actually,
19:39
Speaker 5: do you.
19:39
Speaker 6: Remember after he gave that national that his address, he
19:42
Speaker 6: went to press club the next day and he was
19:44
Speaker 6: asked by Mark Riley at Channel seven why was there
19:46
Speaker 6: no information? He said, well, this was to combat misinformation
19:49
Speaker 6: and conspiracy theories.
19:51
Speaker 4: So there you go.
19:52
Speaker 2: Another little tip on the website is plan your trips.
19:55
Speaker 2: So they say, if you're going to run a number
19:57
Speaker 2: of errands, try to organize you drive, so you do
20:00
Speaker 2: the errands sort of sequentially, rather than drive come home,
20:04
Speaker 2: drive come home.
20:05
Speaker 4: You know.
20:05
Speaker 3: Jason there's some information on the website. It says that
20:09
Speaker 3: excess weight drag, which apparently that's what the roof racks do.
20:15
Speaker 3: It puts a drag on the vehicle can improve fuel
20:19
Speaker 3: efficiency by fifteen percent, and also it says driving smoothly
20:25
Speaker 3: can improve by thirty percent. So I wonder why they
20:27
Speaker 3: didn't do a whole campaign around don't do donuts, don't
20:31
Speaker 3: drive like, don't do burnouts in your car, because surely
20:34
Speaker 3: that would save on more fuel.
20:36
Speaker 4: And that's probably more informity than this.
20:39
Speaker 5: Apoons are just full of men.
20:41
Speaker 2: I to say, there are quite a few people on
20:43
Speaker 2: military Road this afternoon who have not seen the ad
20:45
Speaker 2: about driving smoothly, and I hope they watch it. That'll
20:48
Speaker 2: be twenty million dollars well spent if they do.
20:51
Speaker 1: All right.
20:51
Speaker 2: There's parents and legal experts very upset that private schools
20:56
Speaker 2: forcing parents to sign NDA's when settling claims over bullying.
21:03
Speaker 2: They claim that NDA's non disclosure agreements are preventing the
21:07
Speaker 2: victims of bullying from speaking out. The Daily Telegraph I
21:12
Speaker 2: think it was quoted a mum of a male student
21:15
Speaker 2: who was bullied relentlessly online in the classroom for months
21:18
Speaker 2: at a private school on Sydney's Lower north Shore. She
21:21
Speaker 2: said she was asked to sign an NDA last year
21:24
Speaker 2: after settling a civil complaint against the school, and she
21:28
Speaker 2: says this has stripped her son of the ability to
21:31
Speaker 2: ever speak out.
21:32
Speaker 1: We absolutely see it for what it is now. She said.
21:35
Speaker 2: It's very confronting and his voice to protect further children
21:38
Speaker 2: should be heard. I get the complaint, but I do
21:44
Speaker 2: sympathize a little bit with schools in this because they
21:47
Speaker 2: are managing a number of things. And I think you're
21:50
Speaker 2: probably both going to disagree with me by the way
21:52
Speaker 2: you're looking at me when I'm speaking. But schools will
21:55
Speaker 2: often pay out without admission of liability because it's cheaper
21:59
Speaker 2: to give the money or to say, you know what,
22:03
Speaker 2: don't worry about paying the rest of your fees, then
22:05
Speaker 2: to end up in a court of law. So they'll
22:08
Speaker 2: pay the money, but they're not admitting any liability, in
22:11
Speaker 2: which case they'll want a non disclosure agreement. Second, our
22:15
Speaker 2: schools don't want precedents set where if one kid gets
22:19
Speaker 2: just making up numbers, but say you pay ten thousand
22:21
Speaker 2: dollars because of bullying claims, or that's fees that you're
22:27
Speaker 2: going to wipe from the account. If that's public knowledge,
22:31
Speaker 2: then the school is opening itself up for a raft
22:34
Speaker 2: of claims from other people who will all be comparing
22:36
Speaker 2: and contrasting what everybody got. And Third, oftentimes in bullying instances,
22:41
Speaker 2: there may well be other parties involved that, for legal reasons,
22:44
Speaker 2: may necessitate a promise of non disclosure. So I'm not
22:51
Speaker 2: saying it's always right, very.
22:52
Speaker 3: Hard to defend the schools, though, I don't think anything
22:56
Speaker 3: which puts our children's risk at risk and their welfare
23:01
Speaker 3: at risk can be defended because if there is enough,
23:07
Speaker 3: if the school really believed that they had done nothing
23:10
Speaker 3: and they had no liability, then fight it in court.
23:13
Speaker 3: You know our children's lives, and it's been shown that
23:17
Speaker 3: incidents of bullying can lead to suicide, especially online bullying,
23:21
Speaker 3: which has also been the case for one of these
23:24
Speaker 3: kids in this report. There's been too many cases of that.
23:28
Speaker 3: If the school thinks that they are not liable for it,
23:31
Speaker 3: then defended in court, because otherwise, I think prospective students
23:36
Speaker 3: and families deserve to know what's happened because they've clearly
23:39
Speaker 3: dropped the ball.
23:40
Speaker 5: If they're being sued, that's.
23:43
Speaker 3: Because they haven't taken a proactive approach and a zero
23:47
Speaker 3: tolerance approach to bullying or abuse in some of the cases,
23:51
Speaker 3: because some of the cases involved abuse and that's unacceptable.
23:54
Speaker 2: I still think sometimes it's not always an admission of liability.
23:58
Speaker 2: It may be cheaper to wipe six thousand dollars off
24:00
Speaker 2: the school fees than to engage lawyers to try and
24:05
Speaker 2: defend this claim.
24:07
Speaker 5: And also, then don't sign, then you don't have examiny.
24:10
Speaker 2: We well, parents aren't forced to sign an NDIA either,
24:12
Speaker 2: And if parents are so adamant that we've got to
24:14
Speaker 2: protect the children, then why are parents signing an NDA.
24:17
Speaker 3: And agreement want to take it to court? Either go
24:19
Speaker 3: to the media both ways. Well, in many cases they do,
24:22
Speaker 3: and I'd encourage them to contact me stories.
24:25
Speaker 2: Unless they've signed an NDA, in which case they wont hut.
24:28
Speaker 6: But no, I think it's the schools are doing this
24:30
Speaker 6: is to save their own backsides. You know, if I
24:32
Speaker 6: had children, I would want to know the details about
24:34
Speaker 6: if there was bullying allegations at that school, how.
24:37
Speaker 4: The school handled it, and I would want to know.
24:39
Speaker 6: And I feel like this is just deployed by these
24:41
Speaker 6: schools so that people don't speak out, don't say anything,
24:44
Speaker 6: don't ruin the reputation.
24:45
Speaker 4: Of the school. But if the school actually did.
24:47
Speaker 6: The right thing in the beginning, that they wouldn't have
24:49
Speaker 6: anything to worry about.
24:50
Speaker 4: Though, would they.
24:51
Speaker 2: You're going to have parents going on Facebook claiming all
24:53
Speaker 2: sorts of things, and a school is not going to
24:55
Speaker 2: comment on the specific instance of this.
24:57
Speaker 1: Child versus that child.
24:59
Speaker 2: I think it put schools in a very difficult position.
25:02
Speaker 2: And once parents go legal, do you expect.
25:06
Speaker 6: For example, if a child is being ruthlessly bullied and
25:09
Speaker 6: the bully is still at that school, why hasn't that
25:11
Speaker 6: bully been expelled? If you've been given multiple warnings, you've
25:13
Speaker 6: got suspensions, it's time to get rid of them.
25:16
Speaker 4: Off you go go to another school. You're too much trouble.
25:18
Speaker 6: Right then they've handled the situation properly. So what would
25:21
Speaker 6: they have to hide.
25:21
Speaker 2: Well, we're hypothesizing because we don't know specific instances those.
25:25
Speaker 3: Things may have because of the NDAs in the first place,
25:28
Speaker 3: that's why.
25:28
Speaker 5: We don't know the specifics.
25:30
Speaker 3: But I note that it's not just cases of bullying,
25:32
Speaker 3: it's also cases of teacher misconduct, with the teachers who
25:36
Speaker 3: have been the subject of investigations also have to sign
25:39
Speaker 3: NDAs if they have they've made complaints or they've been
25:44
Speaker 3: the subject of complaints.
25:45
Speaker 5: Now in these cases, that smells like a cover up
25:48
Speaker 5: to me.
25:49
Speaker 6: I agree, it's to save their own backside, and that's
25:51
Speaker 6: the most concerning part out of all this.
25:53
Speaker 4: I completely agree there. Look, let's move on.
25:58
Speaker 6: James McPherson actually on the McPherson and we did a
26:00
Speaker 6: wonderful interview last night if you were watching, so give
26:02
Speaker 6: you an I sound nice to you sometimes James on
26:05
Speaker 6: this show with One Nation leader Pauline Hanson, we're talking
26:08
Speaker 6: about Sean Black. Now, Sean Black was working in One
26:13
Speaker 6: Nation headquarters in Brisbane despite having been jailed in twenty
26:17
Speaker 6: eighteen for five years suspended twenty seven months after he
26:20
Speaker 6: was found guilty of raping and violently assaulting a woman
26:24
Speaker 6: with whom he had been in.
26:25
Speaker 4: A relationship with.
26:28
Speaker 6: Now it has now been revealed that after a lot
26:31
Speaker 6: of scrutiny, there's been a lot of push particularly from
26:33
Speaker 6: LMPMP Garth Hamilton over in Queensland. Pauline Hanson has since
26:38
Speaker 6: confirmed that she has indeed sacked Sean Black. Here he
26:43
Speaker 6: was here she was last night on the McPherson Angle.
26:47
Speaker 11: I actually shot this man in question today in front
26:51
Speaker 11: of his wife with his two children in the next room.
26:54
Speaker 11: So he's gone finished. This man was convicted and by
26:58
Speaker 11: no means please understand, and I don't condone this sort
27:02
Speaker 11: of behavior whatsoever and what happened. But he did his
27:05
Speaker 11: time and he came out. He's worked in the office
27:08
Speaker 11: and actually in the head office. He works with a
27:11
Speaker 11: former federal police officer. No concerns about it. I've had
27:15
Speaker 11: no concerns raised by the other female staff.
27:18
Speaker 6: Obviously she didn't mean to say that she'd shot him.
27:20
Speaker 6: She did clarify that she meant to say that she
27:22
Speaker 6: had sacked him. But the Liberal Party were very strong
27:25
Speaker 6: on this. Here was a James Patterson.
27:28
Speaker 8: It means it's very hard to take one nation seriously
27:31
Speaker 8: when they talk about law and order, when they talk
27:32
Speaker 8: about being tough on crime, when they talk about domestic violence,
27:36
Speaker 8: and frankly, I'm amazed that one nation MPs and senators
27:39
Speaker 8: haven't been asked more about this when they appear in
27:42
Speaker 8: the media. This is a political party which is polling
27:45
Speaker 8: second nationally according to most polls. They have a pretense
27:48
Speaker 8: of being a serious political party, and they are employing
27:51
Speaker 8: a convicted rapist to work for them.
27:54
Speaker 6: Look, I have to agree with the Liberal Party on this.
27:56
Speaker 6: How can you take the party seriously when you have
27:59
Speaker 6: got a victed rapists working for you?
28:02
Speaker 4: And this is not just pertaining to one nation.
28:03
Speaker 6: I think in any company, if you have a convicted rapist,
28:06
Speaker 6: it becomes very difficult to defend them. But the second
28:08
Speaker 6: point is Pauline Hanson has been very strong on pushing
28:12
Speaker 6: for a sex offender register. At one point she even
28:15
Speaker 6: called for sex offenders to be publicly named and shamed
28:18
Speaker 6: and even car strated.
28:20
Speaker 4: Now you can't have.
28:21
Speaker 6: That sort of a view when you have a convicted
28:24
Speaker 6: sex offender working for you. And also note James, you
28:27
Speaker 6: asked a very good question in your interview last night
28:30
Speaker 6: when you said would he appear on your sex offender register?
28:33
Speaker 4: And I know that Pauline Hanson had said, oh, well
28:35
Speaker 4: I have to speak with the branch about that.
28:38
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I mean that is a very
28:40
Speaker 6: very good, good point. It does bring one nation into
28:43
Speaker 6: disrepute and one nation of doing so well right now,
28:46
Speaker 6: you do not need a dead weight like this loitering
28:49
Speaker 6: in the background.
28:50
Speaker 3: Well, it just thinks of hypocrisy and I just I
28:54
Speaker 3: think Pauline Hanson did the wrong thing here by taking
28:59
Speaker 3: so long to get rid of this guy and then
29:02
Speaker 3: still defending him even after she'd sacked him.
29:05
Speaker 5: You know, at one.
29:06
Speaker 3: Point she had to correct herself in the interview with
29:08
Speaker 3: you Mack when she said he was innocent and then said, oh,
29:12
Speaker 3: well he served his time. But I don't think she
29:15
Speaker 3: would have that same view if it was a rapist,
29:19
Speaker 3: a convicted rapist or sex offender working in any other
29:23
Speaker 3: political party. And I think you have to have consistency
29:26
Speaker 3: with these things. If your principle is that someone who
29:29
Speaker 3: has committed this type of offense should not be in
29:32
Speaker 3: public office, then you have to hold that.
29:34
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't in public office, he was working in
29:36
Speaker 2: an office.
29:37
Speaker 3: Well he's working for a political party. Yeah, sure's you're right.
29:42
Speaker 3: Technically he is not a politician himself.
29:44
Speaker 1: Not technically, he's not a politician at all.
29:46
Speaker 5: He's working in.
29:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's But it's not defensible to have someone
29:50
Speaker 3: working in party for the party, like coming up with
29:55
Speaker 3: strategy and policy when they've been a convicted sex offender.
29:58
Speaker 2: Can ask a question, because what's how far do you
30:00
Speaker 2: take this principle? You said it wouldn't be tenable for
30:02
Speaker 2: any company unless I misheard you, but I.
30:07
Speaker 5: Don't think it is a tax paying money in that position.
30:10
Speaker 2: So a guy commits a crime in two thousand and seven,
30:14
Speaker 2: he does time in twenty eighteen. So the crime was
30:17
Speaker 2: what nineteen years ago? It's six years ago since James
30:20
Speaker 2: sex offender.
30:21
Speaker 1: I'm asking a question.
30:22
Speaker 6: I would feel uncomfortable working with a convicted sex offender.
30:26
Speaker 1: Let me get the question out first.
30:27
Speaker 4: Sorry, go on.
30:29
Speaker 2: Are we saying that he is unemployable anywhere ever?
30:32
Speaker 1: Again?
30:33
Speaker 6: No, I'm not saying that, but I think it would
30:35
Speaker 6: be very hard for him to find employment. Don't forget
30:38
Speaker 6: if you've got a criminal record, A lot of companies
30:40
Speaker 6: ask you for a criminal record check. Now, if that
30:43
Speaker 6: was on your criminal record and you were an employer,
30:46
Speaker 6: what you wouldn't think twice you'd hire him.
30:49
Speaker 1: I'm not in the business of hire.
30:50
Speaker 4: But I'm asking I know i'm asking you the question.
30:53
Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand, Like, obviously he would not be
30:55
Speaker 2: able to work anywhere where children were involved at all.
31:00
Speaker 1: That would be an obvious thing. He wouldn't get a
31:01
Speaker 1: working with children check or whatever.
31:04
Speaker 2: I just want to understand from the people who are
31:06
Speaker 2: really down on Pauling Hanson about this fair enough, But
31:10
Speaker 2: where would it be acceptable for this guy to work.
31:13
Speaker 4: That's a good question. I don't know.
31:15
Speaker 5: I don't think he should have access.
31:17
Speaker 3: I presume this role would be taxpayer funded because senators
31:21
Speaker 3: and politicians.
31:23
Speaker 5: Have that role.
31:24
Speaker 3: They are are people who work in their officers staff
31:27
Speaker 3: are paid by the taxpayer.
31:28
Speaker 5: So I don't know I.
31:29
Speaker 2: Was working as a garbo. He'd be paid by the
31:31
Speaker 2: rate payers, wouldn't he.
31:33
Speaker 3: I think it's different. But my problem with this is
31:37
Speaker 3: the hypocrisy of having a strong tough on crime, tough
31:41
Speaker 3: on sex offending policy, which I applaud Pauling Hanson and
31:45
Speaker 3: One Nation for and I think is part of the
31:46
Speaker 3: reason that they're so popular, and then having a different
31:50
Speaker 3: standard when it comes to her own staff.
31:53
Speaker 2: Can you not be tough on crime but still employ
31:55
Speaker 2: a criminal after he served his time?
31:57
Speaker 1: Where are they being sited.
31:59
Speaker 5: When your advocation.
32:00
Speaker 1: Tried I was convicted his time, he.
32:02
Speaker 5: Has advocated changed.
32:04
Speaker 3: I think you're playing devil's advocate here, which is admirable,
32:07
Speaker 3: But in this case, she advocated for a public sex
32:11
Speaker 3: offender registry. She advocated one point, As Danika pointed, out
32:14
Speaker 3: for castration for sex offenders.
32:17
Speaker 4: Is she going to call for that for him?
32:18
Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't even he was. She couldn't even answer
32:21
Speaker 3: your question about whether he should be. In fact, the
32:24
Speaker 3: public a sex offender registered policy she had was missing
32:28
Speaker 3: from the website, apparently reportedly when the.
32:31
Speaker 2: Report has been taken down. Once this it's the media
32:35
Speaker 2: that sticks.
32:36
Speaker 3: But having said that, don't think for a moment that
32:39
Speaker 3: there wasn't political gain in the coalition ad liberal peas
32:43
Speaker 3: and senators for going after Pauling Hanson because she is
32:46
Speaker 3: a massive threat.
32:47
Speaker 5: And that just speaks to you.
32:49
Speaker 2: Which made last night on the program that it's interesting
32:52
Speaker 2: this has been brought up now. It's not like he
32:54
Speaker 2: only started this job the other day. They've known about
32:58
Speaker 2: this for a long time and they've just bought it up.
33:00
Speaker 2: So it's muddy dwarters. The Pope is very unimpressed with
33:05
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
33:07
Speaker 1: However, it cuts both ways.
33:08
Speaker 2: Trump is not that happy about the Pope meddling in
33:11
Speaker 2: Middle Eastern politics. Here's what Trump had to say about
33:14
Speaker 2: the Pope.
33:16
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of Bubblio. He's a very
33:19
Speaker 1: liberal person and he's a man that doesn't believe in
33:22
Speaker 1: stopping grime.
33:23
Speaker 7: He's a man that doesn't think that we should be joying.
33:28
Speaker 2: With a country that wants a nuclear weapons so they
33:32
Speaker 2: can blow up the world. So off the back of
33:34
Speaker 2: those comments getting stuck into the Pope for criticizing US
33:37
Speaker 2: foreign policy, particularly as it relates to Iran, Donald Trump
33:42
Speaker 2: posted this image of himself on social media. You can
33:46
Speaker 2: see there he looks like a is it a Jesus figure?
33:50
Speaker 1: Is it the Pope.
33:51
Speaker 2: It's a little bit unsure as to who he's actually
33:55
Speaker 2: trying to be, but he's clearly bringing healing and miracles
33:58
Speaker 2: to the United States of America. He's copying an absolute
34:01
Speaker 2: pasting online with people saying this is blasphemous.
34:04
Speaker 1: He's claimed to.
34:05
Speaker 2: Be a Christian or at least be endorsed by Christians,
34:07
Speaker 2: and now he's portraying himself as the Savior.
34:10
Speaker 1: It's outrageous. What do you think, Danika, I.
34:13
Speaker 6: Think people need to stop being so offended by everything. Okay,
34:15
Speaker 6: it's a joke. I mean he's always done little AI
34:18
Speaker 6: images of himself. I feel like every week he has
34:22
Speaker 6: put out an AI image of himself. This is just
34:25
Speaker 6: meant to be a joke, and you can see there
34:26
Speaker 6: was the American flag in the background, the statue of
34:29
Speaker 6: Liberty America's heroes. It had him wearing this red cape.
34:32
Speaker 6: It had fighter jets come on, like, let's not take
34:35
Speaker 6: everything so seriously, let's have a laugh, let's move on,
34:39
Speaker 6: let's not you know, but the left love to.
34:40
Speaker 4: Be like, oh, Donald Trump, you know, he's a trader
34:43
Speaker 4: to the world. It's just an easy part.
34:45
Speaker 2: My take was he's almost saying the Pope is not
34:48
Speaker 2: going to take a stand for what's right.
34:51
Speaker 1: The Pope says, oh, don't attack.
34:52
Speaker 2: Iran despite the fact they're Islamic terrorists, despite the fact
34:57
Speaker 2: they want to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.
34:59
Speaker 1: The pope's are you should That's the.
35:00
Speaker 3: Pope said about their Iranian regime and its proxies. Come
35:04
Speaker 3: out and say anything against him because he just wants
35:07
Speaker 3: to attack Trump. My point on this would be people
35:10
Speaker 3: can get offended, get offended.
35:11
Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with getting offended. But there's a difference here.
35:15
Speaker 3: No one is going to put a fatwa on Trump
35:18
Speaker 3: for offending Christians.
35:20
Speaker 5: What if he had done a.
35:21
Speaker 3: Charlie hebdo and satirized the prophet Mohammad. A bunch of
35:26
Speaker 3: people got killed for that, what if he had done
35:28
Speaker 3: a Salmon Rushdi and wrote the Satanic verses, which Iran
35:32
Speaker 3: said was blasphemous. He gets his he loses his eye
35:35
Speaker 3: and gets an assassination.
35:37
Speaker 1: He do that. He just explained to us, why no
35:39
Speaker 1: one will ever do that?
35:40
Speaker 4: Are you offended as a Christian?
35:42
Speaker 2: No, not at all. Firstly, because it clearly was not Jesus.
35:46
Speaker 2: I think he was having a shot at the pope.
35:47
Speaker 2: He was trolling the Pope. Second, Donald Trump's not setting
35:51
Speaker 2: himself up as the savior. He's already said he hopes
35:53
Speaker 2: he'll go to heaven, but he doesn't think he will
35:55
Speaker 2: because he's not a good enough person. He's not claiming
35:57
Speaker 2: to be Jesus or any such thing.
36:00
Speaker 4: Taking it too far.
36:00
Speaker 5: Now, that's as they always He's trolling us. Here's the
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Speaker 5: troller and chief.
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Speaker 1: Yeah he is. All right. We're going to go to
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Speaker 1: a break.
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Speaker 2: When we come back tomorrow, Angus Taylor is releasing the
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Speaker 2: much awaited coalition immigration policy. Will show you what the
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Speaker 2: papers are tipping him to say in just a moment. Okay,
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Speaker 2: let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, so
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Speaker 2: you get all the news here. First, Danika, you've got
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Speaker 2: the front page of Tomorrow's Australia.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I do.
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Speaker 6: The headline there drone on alp learns war lessons. The
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Speaker 6: Albanezy government has avowed to heed the lessons of the
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Speaker 6: wars in the Middle Eastern Ukraine in its new ten
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Speaker 6: year weapons investment plan, which will include an extra two
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Speaker 6: billion to five billion dollars on drones and counter drone systems.
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Speaker 6: The new defense shopping list, to be unveiled this week
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Speaker 6: is also expected to address key vulnerabilities in missile defense,
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Speaker 6: guided weapons for the army, national resilience, and sovereign manufacturing
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Speaker 6: of critical defense capabilities. I don't know about you, but
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Speaker 6: see this is what is more exciting to me than
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Speaker 6: the gender of the new head of the department, Like,
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Speaker 6: this is what we need to know and what are
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Speaker 6: these drones going to do? What is this capability going
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Speaker 6: to do to shore us up in the event of
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Speaker 6: an attack?
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Speaker 4: That is more pertinent in my view.
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Speaker 3: Well, they will be releasing the details on Thursday. Ridget
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Speaker 3: Miles is going to be giving a national press club
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Speaker 3: so we'll hear it. So I think they can do both.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I agree with you about the gender framing.
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Speaker 1: Will he call them unmanned.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's a great we're going to play are very
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Speaker 6: disappointive to us.
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Speaker 2: I thought this story was a bit boring, to be honest.
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Speaker 2: The war in Ukraine has been going how many years?
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Speaker 1: Three years more than that now, and it's.
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Speaker 2: A drone war, and only now the government is saying, gee,
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Speaker 2: we should probably get some drones.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Now, now the bright idea is we might need a
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Speaker 6: couple of drones here and there.
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Speaker 2: We should have spent the last three or four years
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Speaker 2: investing heavily in drones.
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Speaker 3: That's a very latt party at most things for your
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Speaker 3: reserves drawings and a defense strategy.
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Speaker 4: That's it.
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Speaker 6: Also on the front page, speaking of her energy is
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Speaker 6: the minister in charge. There's a couple of shots of
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Speaker 6: him looking bamboos as usual. Climate Change and Energy Minister
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Speaker 6: Chris Bowen has seized on the fuel crisis sparked by
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Speaker 6: the conflict in the Middle East to declare the government
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Speaker 6: must keep electrifying the nation there it is and build
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Speaker 6: Australia's sovereign capability through renewables, insisting no one is calling
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Speaker 6: for more fossil fuels. Really, Chris, wouldn't it be nice
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Speaker 6: to actually have some fossil fuels right now, you know,
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Speaker 6: to shore up that supply to try and keep the
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Speaker 6: lights on, you know, especially as we're heading into winter.
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Speaker 4: God, we could do with a bit more gas to
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Speaker 4: keep the gas churning as well.
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Speaker 2: It is correct you slightly misquoted the energy minister. He
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Speaker 2: didn't say no one is calling for fossil fuels. He
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Speaker 2: said no one I'm talking to is calling for fossil fuels. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: probably says a little bit more about who Chris Bowen
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Speaker 2: talks to himself about the fossil fuel.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, the guy mumbles to himself, we've been calling for
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Speaker 6: more fossil fuels.
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Speaker 4: So he's wrong, he's wrong.
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Speaker 2: What do you think this comment that no wal can
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Speaker 2: impede the flow of sunshine.
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Speaker 4: To go again?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean yeah, the part time energy sources really proving.
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Speaker 1: My chances with the Iranian regime than with clouds.
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Speaker 3: And we're getting all our solar panels well a lot
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Speaker 3: of them from China, Yes, exactly, someone can control energy.
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Speaker 5: From solo.
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Speaker 6: I totally agree. He's a parody of himself at this point.
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Speaker 6: Now here's what we spoke about earlier. But now just
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Speaker 6: enter price has hopped on price attacks One Nation's failure.
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Speaker 6: Coalition Senator just Enter Price has lashed One Nation for
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Speaker 6: failing to exercise basic judgment in employing convicted rapist Sean Black,
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Speaker 6: declaring he had no place in Australian politics and should
39:43
Speaker 6: never have been higher. This is a scathing attack after
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Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson and Bartaby Joyce declared the sacked employee had
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Speaker 6: done his time. As we discussed a little bit earlier,
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Speaker 6: I think it goes to your point, Carol Item and
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Speaker 6: it's very deliberate now by the Liberal Party, and I
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Speaker 6: think one by one we'll see more and more more
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Speaker 6: Liberal MPs and senators come out this week and condemn
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Speaker 6: One Nation and they think this is maybe the way
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Speaker 6: to try and improve their standing in the polls. Not
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Speaker 6: that I think that this will have that make that
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Speaker 6: big of a difference to.
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Speaker 2: Be not to have a shot at Senator Price. I
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Speaker 2: like her a lot, but when was the last time
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Speaker 2: she made a front page headline.
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Speaker 6: That's such a good point. Look, she does make wonderful points.
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Speaker 6: I really admire just into Namperjip Price, but I think
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Speaker 6: this is definitely a ploy by the coalition now.
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Speaker 3: I mean they One Nation have got rid of them now,
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Speaker 3: so we don't have to keep kicking this.
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Speaker 4: You know can like exactly agree's all right.
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Speaker 2: The front page of Tomorrow's Daily Telegraph will deport sixty
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Speaker 2: five thousand who failed visa appeals. Taylor no more excuses,
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Speaker 2: reads the headline. Angus Taylor will threaten to deport sixty
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Speaker 2: five thousand people the Coalition claims are still in Australia
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Speaker 2: without visas despite having exhausted all avenues for appeal. With
40:55
Speaker 2: plans to create a Safe Country list to fast track
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Speaker 2: protection vs. Applications, the Opposition leader will detail the first
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Speaker 2: trench transit that he say that of the coalition's much
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Speaker 2: anticipated immigration platform in a speech tomorrow Our Time today,
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Speaker 2: according to the paper, accusing Labour of allowing too many
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Speaker 2: migrants of transactional intent and saying the immigration program must
41:19
Speaker 2: discriminate based on values. It's interesting he's going to say
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Speaker 2: tomorrow that we should prioritize immigrants from other liberal democracies
41:28
Speaker 2: because they will fit in better than people from countries
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Speaker 2: run by fundamentalists, extremists or dictators. He says, we should
41:37
Speaker 2: not accept migrants who don't believe in the equality of women.
41:41
Speaker 2: We should not accept migrants who want a parallel legal system,
41:45
Speaker 2: or migrants who fail to believe in the values of
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Speaker 2: free speech, freedom of association.
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Speaker 1: Or freedom of religion.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure who he's talking about, Caroline, but it'll
41:57
Speaker 2: be an interesting speech tomorrow and I think one that
41:59
Speaker 2: will be gladly received by a lot of people who
42:01
Speaker 2: want action on immigration.
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Speaker 3: I think we've waited a long time to hear what
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Speaker 3: the coalition's immigration policy is since the election, and you
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Speaker 3: know we this is a good start from what I
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Speaker 3: can see. It's common sense. It's going to appeal to
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Speaker 3: the majority of Australians who are sick of seeing people
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Speaker 3: who have refused to assimilate with our culture and value. Well,
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Speaker 3: they can have their own cultures, but they need to
42:29
Speaker 3: assimilate with our values in this country.
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Speaker 5: They need to respect.
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Speaker 3: All the freedom of religion and face, particularly Judaeo Christian
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Speaker 3: values which we hold in this country. They need to
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Speaker 3: not be anti Semites jew haters, which has been a
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Speaker 3: massive issue as we've seen at Bonda in particular. And
42:48
Speaker 3: they need to be coming here because either because they
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Speaker 3: are facing real genuine persecution if they're coming under the
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Speaker 3: humanitarian program and not for being a seeking economic asylum.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely well, in the end, they have to fit their
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Speaker 6: values must fit in with a Western liberal democracy, and
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Speaker 6: right now there are many among us who hate us
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Speaker 6: and hate our way of life.
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Speaker 4: So bring it on, look forward to hearing what he says.
43:15
Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 3: The Canberra Times has City Taps on and this is
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Speaker 3: all about how thousands of Canberans seem to at least
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Speaker 3: be responding well to the government's public service messages about
43:27
Speaker 3: saving fuel, and they are flocking to public transport in
43:31
Speaker 3: recent weeks as fuel prices across the capital hit fresh highs.
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Speaker 3: Like the rest of the country, nearly thirty thousand more
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Speaker 3: people tapped onto Canberra's public transport in a three week window,
43:43
Speaker 3: and patronage jumped from three hundred and sixty eight thousand
43:48
Speaker 3: people in early March to three hundred and ninety seven
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Speaker 3: thousand by the end of the month.
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Speaker 1: It might be.
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Speaker 3: Easier on Canberra though, first of all, a lot of
43:54
Speaker 3: them are public service, yes, And second of all, it's
43:57
Speaker 3: a much easier place city to navigate, much smaller city
44:01
Speaker 3: than say, you know, well, obviously you can't do this
44:03
Speaker 3: in places with big regional areas, but even Sydney, uh
44:10
Speaker 3: and other big cities it's gonna be a bit harder
44:12
Speaker 3: for some people to take public transports to get to work.
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Speaker 1: Well, far more attention to the PMS.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, congrats, congrats camera, congrats that somebody's listening to the
44:20
Speaker 6: PM's advertisement. Well done, you're you're a model citizens for
44:23
Speaker 6: the country.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: That's also this story on the front of the Mercury
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Speaker 3: about how King Island and tasmania It's fuel supply issues
44:32
Speaker 3: have left locals fearing a return to the horse and
44:36
Speaker 3: cart days. It's got that bad there with one of
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Speaker 3: the islands one of the island's two petrol stations.
44:43
Speaker 5: There's only two.
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Speaker 3: Petrol stations on the island, one of them running dry
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Speaker 3: twice a day, its owners calling for greater state government
44:53
Speaker 3: assistance to navigate the fuel crisis. I mean, I'm not
44:56
Speaker 3: sure where the population is in King Islands, feen undred
44:59
Speaker 3: people you look it up at Okay, but yeah, horse
45:03
Speaker 3: and cart.
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Speaker 4: There you go.
45:06
Speaker 5: This is what we've come to.
45:07
Speaker 4: This is what we've come to in this country. Incredible.
45:11
Speaker 4: Oh this is me.
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Speaker 6: Sorry, I'm sorry, I thought.
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Speaker 4: Sorry that was terrible.
45:16
Speaker 6: Quickly on the Herald Sun early exit reshuffle, three members
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Speaker 6: of just Into Allen's cabinet will retire from politics at
45:22
Speaker 6: the state election, triggering a high stakes reshuffle just seven
45:25
Speaker 6: months out from the polls. I don't think it's going
45:27
Speaker 6: to make that big of a difference, to be honest,
45:29
Speaker 6: But then again, the Liberals aren't doing too.
45:31
Speaker 4: Well, aren't they over there? Solop position.
45:34
Speaker 5: You can't put lipstick on a pincat good points.
45:36
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break when
45:38
Speaker 2: we come back. Gout gout broke the national two hundred
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Speaker 2: meter record at the weekend, but TV viewers were not
45:44
Speaker 2: at all happy.
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Speaker 1: We'll show you why after the break. All right, gout goout.
45:51
Speaker 2: At the weekend broke the national two hundred meter record,
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Speaker 2: running the distance in nineteen point six seven seconds.
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Speaker 1: It was an incredible run.
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Speaker 2: Million of people, maybe not millions, but a lot of
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Speaker 2: people were glued to the Channel seven coverage. But as
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Speaker 2: soon as the race was over, the feed was abruptly
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Speaker 2: cut and viewers were made to watch a lifestyle show.
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Speaker 1: Have a look, he wasn't.
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Speaker 5: A certainty and murphage and you believe it.
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Speaker 9: Has run nineteen eighty eight, We've got.
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Speaker 5: What do you mean still in the bar?
46:21
Speaker 6: Oh?
46:21
Speaker 5: Look?
46:22
Speaker 1: If like how long?
46:23
Speaker 5: Relaxing pre show soap is a crime.
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Speaker 1: Lock me up.
46:28
Speaker 2: Putting aside the fact that it's the most awkward segue ever,
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Speaker 2: I ei there was no segue.
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Speaker 1: People wanted to.
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Speaker 2: See gout Gelt excited and voisting in his wonderful run.
46:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe an interview.
46:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure somebody got spoken to for that one.
46:41
Speaker 6: That is a real critical record you do not make
46:43
Speaker 6: because I mean, they would be planning for that for
46:45
Speaker 6: so long. Yeah, Amera on the winner to have that moment,
46:48
Speaker 6: and they buggered the whole thing.
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Speaker 1: That was Shane Crawford in the bath.
46:51
Speaker 3: When it's an Australian who breaks the record for the
46:54
Speaker 3: first time since nineteen sixty eight. Yeah, record's been there.
46:57
Speaker 3: That's really poor form seven. I mean, I don't care
47:00
Speaker 3: if you.
47:00
Speaker 5: Have commercial agreements.
47:02
Speaker 3: Just but apparently it was someone pressed the wrong button
47:06
Speaker 3: and it was only in Queensland, but that's where our
47:08
Speaker 3: guy is from.
47:09
Speaker 5: That's even worse.
47:10
Speaker 4: That's just yeah, no exactly. Now. Look, I don't know
47:13
Speaker 4: about you too.
47:13
Speaker 6: If you like Sabrina Carpenter, I think I might be
47:15
Speaker 6: the only Sabbathan on this apt please please please don't
47:19
Speaker 6: prove I'm right as she sings. But anyway, she was
47:21
Speaker 6: headlining Coachella at the weekend, and the leftist mob have
47:24
Speaker 6: turned against her because of this incident in the crowd. Now,
47:28
Speaker 6: she thought that a crowd goal was yodling, but they
47:31
Speaker 6: were actually doing a traditional Arabic whistle type thing.
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Speaker 1: Have a look, I think I heard someone yodel.
47:43
Speaker 4: Is that what you're doing?
47:48
Speaker 1: I don't like it?
47:55
Speaker 6: Okay, So the audience member was doing what's called a
47:57
Speaker 6: za gruta. It's a traditional Arabic celebratory call.
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Speaker 4: Now she was called racist. Would you believe why?
48:03
Speaker 6: Because she couldn't actually hear it properly because millions of
48:05
Speaker 6: people were in the crowd. But of course you know racism.
48:08
Speaker 6: So she issued this groveling apology. It says, my apologies.
48:11
Speaker 6: I didn't see this person with my eyes and couldn't
48:13
Speaker 6: hear it. Clearly, my reaction was pure confusion, sarcasm and
48:16
Speaker 6: not ill intended. Could have handled it better. Now I
48:19
Speaker 6: know what as a gruta is. I welcome all cheers
48:21
Speaker 6: and yodles from here on out. I mean, come on,
48:23
Speaker 6: she should never have to have had apologized.
48:25
Speaker 5: Please lamophobic?
48:26
Speaker 4: Oh come on, it's seriously that everyone's offended. It's ridiculous.
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Speaker 2: The concert was in California. Don't do Arabic yodles in
48:34
Speaker 2: the middle of a Californian concert.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe no.
48:36
Speaker 3: And just to finish off a beautiful, touching moment, when
48:39
Speaker 3: an astronaut returned home from this Artemis trip to be greeted.
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Speaker 5: By her dog, Beautiful. Let's have a look. First time
49:02
Speaker 5: the dog's seen her after ten days in space. And
49:04
Speaker 5: it's proof that a dog will love you to the
49:06
Speaker 5: moon and back.
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Speaker 4: Man's best friend, Man's best friend.
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Speaker 2: The dog knew, Yeah, probably the whole thing was faked.
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Speaker 2: And I'm kidding from joking.
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Speaker 1: I'm alright. That's it from us.
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Speaker 2: Stick around, coming up, mister the Reader, pennety show, good night,